Pool table installation part 12 cutting the pockets mpeg2video

[oakwoodave1086]

how much was your felt?? cost$??

[snakeclaw]

@oakwoodave1086 @oakwoodave1086 dont remember. it was the championship tour edition cloth. google up: Championship/3030-tour-edition

mine is the euro blue, which i love and think is the best color ever. this site says $160 to $190 depending on your size table.

and here's a joke...do not buy the best cloth, buy the worsted (read the cloth spec and its sort of funny).

[Insane82chevy]

i love and hate my slate table. did you use super glue for the wood that you used to staple on to?

[snakeclaw]

@Insane82chevy i only used super glue on the felt as it wraps around the slate down into the pockets because the felt started to tear. probably should have sanded the slate before i felted it. i stretched the felt really tight too. the super glue stopped the felt from tearing but it put "lips" on the pockets that stops the balls from rolling in. i fixed that with sandpaper (99.9%).

i used gorilla glue to stick the mdf board onto the slate. must use clamps or extreme weight for that job.

[snakeclaw]

@snakeclaw ...and further, be very careful when you use gorilla glue (or any glue) to stick wood to the back of the slate. the slate must be perfectly flat and have no warping (such as might occur if the slate was supported only by the edges and it would bend in the middle). the wood will permanently hold the shape of the slate, so do your best to make sure the slate isn't under extreme stress or bending while you do this process.

[snakeclaw]

@Insane82chevy btw, if you decide to glue wood to the bottom of your slate (a very good idea if you do not have wood there now), you must consider a few things. the wood is required to put staples into to hold the cloth tight. w/o the wood, you are doomed to have spray adhesive holding your cloth to the slate. it will be loose and will suck hard. this is a great opportunity to increase the mass of the table which will improve it's performance. use lots of 3/4" mdf.

[SteveRay911]

Any chance you can post the rest of the videos? I really appreciate your hard work and knowledge! Thank you so much!

[kakho31]

if I do it this way to a customer, I'll be in court and out of business in no time. sorry but this is not thw way that you do the felt, no way

[Rocketyt]

@kakho31 Hi Kakho, I'd like to see your video on how to install felt. I have a 3X6 Coin Op table that I need to have new felt installed and want to see how you do it.

[papatzhs21]

where can you find this tool for streaching?Whats the name of this tool?

[miles989]

canvas pliers. you can buy them at any art store, or find them on ebay too. there is a tongue that hangs below the jaws, which is actually a pry bar. grip the cloth and then roll the pliers down using that pry bar against the bottom of the slate. you'll get a real tight pull. if not careful, you can actually get too much tightness.

sand the edges of your pockets before you stretch your felt. if they are sharp, your felt will tear prematurely under the tension.

[papatzhs21]

thanks man for your reply huppy new year for you and your family

[mrmusiclover200]

Outstanding video! A pox on the naysayers - I'm a pragmatist. My only concern was the staples as the last time that we recovered my table, we used glue and only used staples on rails. We applied the glue to the underside of the bed, then the edge of felt being careful to keep it parallel to the edge and then after that adheared, pulled to the other side. Ditto for the ends. I would like to see a follow up on how you did the rails as well. Overall Good job and thanks for sharing!

[snakeclaw]

thanks!  i vow to post the rest of the vids over the xmas break. i have some good follow up to these vids. i appreciate your comments, and i do try to make the world a better place, even if it's in small increments.

[dontlitethat]

this guy has no clue>>>>>he is in the hack section....call me when ya need ur table fixed the right way because he is no good....

[snakeclaw]

dontlitethat, i've seen your vids. you have 3 of them. all dark and out of focus. a bunch of fat guys standing around in a pool hall. cracks me up.

i know you "pro" guys hate it when us DIY's come up with tricks that are better than what your fat shop uses, and then posts them on youtube for the world to see. dont worry. i'll post more just to keep folks away from haters like yourself.

[zelone]

Thanks for these vids! Is there anything after part 12? What do you do with the felt in the pockets? staple or glue?

[varzabe]

Hey Snakeclaw,

Great video BUT you don't have the last part of the demonstration for finishing off the pocket.

Do you staple the edges of the pocked as well??or glue them?

[jhl605]

Hey Snakeclaw Great Videos ... I just have one question. are your slate surfaces smooth? I have a connelly table and for some reason mine is not. I have lots of tiny tiny swirling grooves.. looks like when one puts on mortar if laying ceramic tile. Its so small that my balls still rolls ok and I'm sure when the cloth is on it will roll good.

[snakeclaw]

my slate wasn't mirror smooth, if that is what you are asking. there was a slight texture to it. removing the dust and dirt was key. i used charcoal lighter fluid and a rag to remove the remnants of glue on my surface. once i did this, i swept what was left off with my hand. i got it pretty clean. if you do this, you should be okay.l

[samir9382]

maybe your slate is backwards because on my Spencer Marston tabe, the bottom side has those groves

[timmay1289]

fuck bobla. sounds like a hater to me. I've been looking for instructions on how to do this and this is exactly what i needed. Great job snakeclaw keep it up

[mrglennmartinez]

agree x 3

[BoBLoblaa]

by your own admission there were a couple spots in the slate you couldn't get right. So how can the table possibly roll straight and true? 12 Vids of DIY BS just to not post a video of the finished product and you didn't expect some criticism? You seemed to be enjoying yourself so much why not make the vid of the finished product? After all the weeks (lol) of work why not show off the fruits of your labor?

[snakeclaw]

and the reason why the last few vids were not made and uploaded was because i bought and built the table in december. it was winter and i'm a deck builder. during my off season, i had a lot of time. then i got busy with an early interior gig, and playing a lot of pool at the end of the day.

btw, please tell me why the balls will not roll against the rails, but will roll parallel to the rails if i'm 2" away from them. what would cause that? its only a problem when i'm within 2" of the rail.

[bzzhuh]

WTF stop feeding the troll.

[BoBLoblaa]

actually no it doesn't work. Compliments you may get but it doesn't mean they know anymore than you do. I've seen people compliment you on your methods here but it doesn't make them right. If your not going to buy a machinists level and do it right then what good would a video be? And you yourself used the term "pro playing" to describe your table. I can assure you that you didn't come close to anything pro without a machinists level

[snakeclaw]

bob lob,

if the balls roll straight (as they do), the rails are parallel and straight and bounce well (brand new), and the pockets are the same opening at each, then what more is there? is there a mystery here? since i didn't use a level, are you saying my balls do not roll straight and true? if that is what you are saying, then you are incorrect.

do you have any further assertions?

[BoBLoblaa]

Where is the vid of the finished product? Lets see a starratt at all the diff spots you should be leveling at. Lets see a tape measure on each of those pocket widths. I'd like to see what 99.9 percent of "very pro playing" is. Where are the finished pockets? Also i can provide you with info on any aspect of an install that you would like. Which part were you interested in?

[snakeclaw]

bob lob,

where are your videos? you are all talk, but no do. again, please enlighten all of us with your superior ways.

what i do claim is that most home enthusiasts like myself do not have a machinist level nor will buy one. they are pricey and i dont have one laying around. your response is "go out and buy one". let me enlighten you, bob lob. most people wont do that.

so, that being the case, my way works. what is your solution, mr lob?

my table gets plenty of compliments.

[BoBLoblaa]

"a little bit of sawing motion does the job real well" lmao. Ranks right up there with the 7 coats of bees wax in the other vid. Ok in all seriousness coming from someone that does this every day. Not bad for your first try. I'd be out of work if i did any of this but you put a lot of time and effort into it so i can respect that. My only question is why would someone make an instructional set of videos of there first time doing anything?

[snakeclaw]

bobloblaa,

well, if you do this for a living, please post your proper techniques so that we all can see them. when i built my table, i couldn't find anything useful on youtube and i was quite confident that i would end up with a very pro playing table.

i never said "do it this way". all i said was "this is what I did". there is a difference there. and btw, my table plays almost perfect. it was 40 years old and the slate has a couple of spots in it that i couldn't work out, but its 99.9%.

[spohr08]

what about the other videos?

[doneff]

If this is only the fourth pocket in your life, who the heck told you to do it this way ? You have no more videos after #12, but I'm almost sure that you can see the wood part of the slate thru this cuts you are making. No offence but I hope you do not consider doing this for a living. Also, next time get a single edge razor and cut from the slate down, not up towards the surface of the table, you get the idea. Otherwise it is a fair try on your part, since it is your first time.

[snakeclaw]

since i stretched the felt as tight as i did, there was a lot of tension on the fabric as it rolled down into the cup. on an ordinary installation, i could have done that fold that most people do. this installation did not allow for me to do that. no, you cannot see the wood either, and yes, i did use a single edge razor. and yes, it was my first try. the table plays really good and i'm quite proud of it.

[snakeclaw]

is that a good LOL or a bad LOL?

[Poolschool2]

LOL...