Katyn see Russian propaganda film about Katyn.

[SovietWarrior]

Hahaha, Mukhin is tearing to pieces the Pzhek lies, and this guy "gkrolik" doesn't even dare to translate the whole text! Because TRUTH is very painful to Pzhekistanis.

[wesbes]

@SovietWarrior Russians don't want to give the rest of the Katyn archives because they don't want to expose the culprits. They are dirty people. They are close to apologizing for it.

[MrDSZ]

this propaganda movie is an interesting part for my university course on international propaganda....could you give me the exact title and year of production of that soviet propaganda piece? and maybe where you have found it?

[SovietWarrior]

@MrDSZ Get a clue. This is an independent Russian researcher called Mukhin, who according to nice democratic traditions blows into pieces the official Goebbelsian propaganda about "poor NKVD victims".

Evere heard about this new thing called democracy? Nowadays one can tell the truth about Pzhek lies and propaganda.

[pavbed]

Human Losses of World War II by Country: [population(1939)] [total deaths] [deaths as % of 1939 population]

POLAND 34,849,000 5,600,000 16,07%

SOVIET UNION 168,500,000  23,100,000 13,71%

GERMANY 69,310,000 7,293,000 10,47%

*USA 131028000 418500 0,32%

[nightravenonline]

Russian liars !

[historycznie]

to jest straszne ja to poznaje od sześciu lat (mam 12) ciesze się że mojej ś.p prababci nie złapali później jak była w A.K .Rosjanie to normalny naród jak każdy tylko rządzony przez złodzieji i kłamców.

[SovietWarrior]

Just like everything else about Katyn - Pzhek forgery upon Goebbelsian forgery. And a little bit of Yeltsinite forgery on top.

Facts remain facts - mass graves containing German bullets. NOT RUSSIAN - GERMAN BULLETS. Got that, or should I repeat it?

[Pahorek]

Go to wash out all the shit you have in your head and put the brain there! Then you will understand how big bullshit you wrote here!

[kawalerzysta1939]

your that dump and brainwash by soviets like everyother dump russian

[kingcobra2566]

My Grandfather was at the POW Transport to Katyn, he was guarded and deported by RUSSIANS not germans !!! He was just one of a few who could escape, because the RUSSIANS told them lies about the DEPORTATION...so everyone thought that they will be home when the war ends, THATS why no one leaves the trains or offer resistance against them !!! By the way, Gorbatschow confirmed in 1990 that this was a RUSSIAN and not a german massacre at polish POW ! KATYN 1940 - NEVER FORGOTTEN - NEVER FORGIVEN

[quatro66]

@kingcobra2566 Liar!

[aarongohn]

sure, right. So the NKVD was a patriotic group in your mind then right. You are just lucky Hitler didn't take Ukraine and make them a true ally. I think it would have been easy to convince them that Russia and their deformed Georgian Stalin were their true enemy. Use Germany as a huge factory for weapons to give the Ukrainians to fight the Russians.

[J3V16]

@SovietWarrior

Soviet AK 47 were used in countless wars since then. Using your stupid argument, it means that the people who used the AK 47 were Soviets as well..... So every person who gets shot by an AK 47 is actually killed by a Soviet??? That would make the Soviets the biggest killers on earth!!!!

[safimir]

Kacapy pierdolone. Kłamcy

[Chadthai09]

co tam gadasz pierdolony rusku? no nieważne...i tak mam cie w dupie... A Rosja niewiele zmieniła sie od tej dawnej tyle tylko ze ludność wie więcej niż ludnośc dawnego ZSRR... a zresztą każdy szanujący historie Polak wie coś nie coś na ten temat

[Turksarebarbarians]

Co to za pijacko-złodziejski żargon ? Tak mówią aroganckie niedouczone nieokrzesane pijackie menty. Tak nie wypowiada się "każdy szanujący historie Polak".

[ksendzsurala]

Кого ты там имеешь, маленький ублюдок? Сначала вынь нигерский хуй из своего рта и своей задицы, пиздёныш. Молоко мамкино еще на губах не обсохло, а уже сперму жрешь, пидорёнок. Историю вашей Польши может уважать, кроме вас самих, только хуесос Сракошвили - и то вряд ли.

[avegalucas07]

перевод с русского - гавно

[uglygeorge2]

"All I know is what the US Liberal Press/Akademia Tells me!"...Paraphrasing Will Rogers, the sycophant Ugly George eagerly Laps Up whatever ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/PBS, NY Times, tax-supported skools like City Univ NY tell him. If those 'Nazsty Nazis' did it all themselves on 1 Sep39 whilst Stalin DID NOT seize Estonia,Latvia Lith & Finland--as the Lib-Press orders us Media-Morons 2 believe--then who am I to question this DOGMA delivered 2 us from the Hand Of God (aka Herr Chancellor Goldstein of CUNY)?

[polishpaul]

The most damage the soviets did to Poland was AFTER the war. Fuck those years... Living in Poland during the soviet regime was just horrible. Like a leech the soviets sucked our blood and left us weak. Poland recovered well and its standing on its own 2 feet.

[redstarvictory]

yeah right hahaha, have fun hosting those US bases

[yeahmotherfunker]

true but a lot of you are coming over to England now

[MrYari]

we cannot deny we earn some land during 1920 soviet offensive. but new independent ukraina was nearly to be created on lands taken from soviet. but during second war ukrainian choose nazi side

[lesz81]

Its not only Poland that you have problems with...its every state that you border...and its always been like that. I feel sad for you.

[katyonok]

I did not asked for sympathy. Thank Goodness Russians are strong enough not to give up, even after losing much more bright people. I just explained why most Russians don't give a f''' about Poland and Polish history. You were told, that documents are in a SECRET files - and that's the end of story. Who you think you are to open the state secrets for you? Or spend money on you, when they are needed for something else? If you WANT to be our enemy - oh well, you're not the first one. Just dare.

[katyonok]

I did not asked for sympathy. Thank Goodness Russians are strong enough not to give up, even after losing much more bright people. I just explained why most Russians don't give a f''' about Poland and Polish history. You were told, that documents are in a SECRET files - and that's the end of story. Who you think you are to open the state secrets for you? Or spend money on you, when they are needed for something else? If you WANT to be our enemy - oh well, you're not the first one. Just dare.

[lesz81]

If you continue to have enemies around...then you will continute to be insecure, you will eventually die from your own bullet. You can have healthcare, education, and even your f...en caviar if you like, but you will not have peace, inside and around your borders.

[katyonok]

If you think that a lot of people tuned to tjis program, you are wrong.if you ask Russians what Katyn means, most of them will mix it up with Khatyn, a Byelorussian village burned down by Nazis.

as for peace, 10 years were enough for us to understand that our lovely "civilized" neighbours are more than eager to grab what does not belong to them.

[lesz81]

You seem like a product of the Putinical "NASI" organization... at least you speak like one. I know many "moderate" Russians that will admit to Katin....your country is headed on a path to fascism...like it or not...soon you will lose much more territory. As for your argument...Poland doesn't need your money...how many rubels can you really give us??? We want cunts like Putin to let us get to those that did this. As for your argument about not needing friends. yeah sure, watch how this wil end.

[katyonok]

Well, Poland isn't our friend, is a adversary, as part of the EU. we won't die of admitting that fact. We did figure out the Arctic problems with Canada, for example, cuz they know how to negotiate and were intersted in that:)

As for money - your party started the demands. as for katin - I said about the majority. once again - WE DON'T CARE. Yeltzin apologized, investigation stopped because the documents belong these are SECRET files. so, once again - what do you want?

[lesz81]

Secret files....my ass.... Yes, Yeltzin did apoligize, but our problem is Putin, cause he is denying it. We just want acknowledment...this crime was commited on the order of Stalin. You may never understand how important such an acknowledment is to the realations between nations. Its a must....we really don't need money, if thats what the Polish governemnt wants then i am against this... iam also against the missle bullshit but we need to clear the past first. Putin should never ignore this fact

[katyonok]

ok, once again: we apologized. what else? sorry, it's not a genocide, it s war crime. if we cannot open the files now - we cannot end of story. I don't remember any Russian officials denying that the NKVD did that (although I find it a just revenge for POWs murdered in the 20ies). Pls send me a private message with a link (English or Russian, please, not your Polish propaganda), with that Putin words. Otherwise, you're bullshitting

[lesz81]

NKVD...did it....as for revange for 1920's...another example of your Putinisation... Who attacked who in 1920...don't forget it was Lenin not us.... get your facts right...and i remember you denying it, as saying it was a jewsish plot... yeah..sure...what else is a plot, the break of of USSR?

[katyonok]

First, check wiki: Poland started first, as they decided to tear Ukraine out of the Soviet Union. So the latter had to counterattack.

Second, It was not necessary for you to torture and kill them.

Third, I am still waiting for the evidence of Putin's words... OK, any governmant official confirming that it were Germans, would go.

Fourth, as I said, I don't care, and so the majority of Russians. Among Those who heard something about Katyn, many would agree that the clip we are commenting on.

[katyonok]

The same thing you tried to do with Ukraine you repeated in 1938 with Teshin, actually.

[czhxts]

Katyonok you are brainwashed, the "POW's murdered in 1920 by Poles" is just an excuse made up by russian/soviet pseudo historians so when you hear the word "Katyn" you have something to counter it (in your eyes atleast). Sure POW's died in camps but not due to mass executions and tortures as you suggest but due to sickness and epidemics (typhus, shigellosis etc). Anyway, one day you may realise what kind of propaganda you are being subjected to, I can only hope it won't be too late.

[lesz81]

we don't want to live in the past....and shouldn't but we will never go forward if we don't face the past. Putin is forgeting that...and this has fucked up the realations between other countries...and contrary to what you believe these relations are important. No body want another Katyn, not even on the children of those who did this.

[katyonok]

with which countries? EU? They contributed to the crisis themselves. You can't even decide on your common strategy:). With whom else?

[lesz81]

If you continue to have enemies around...then you will continute to be insecure, you will eventually die from your own bullet. You can have healthcare, education, and even your f...en caviar if you like, but you will not have peace, inside and around your borders.

[filanna]

Thanks gkorlik. I come from Poland and I think, that Your film is good source to help my foreign friends explain some Polish history. Thank You. Well done and very interesting.

[wwojnas]

Soviets aka kacapy are the bigest liers on this planet. Everything that comes out of that cursed land is evil. They don't even know their own history.Comrad Trocki has shown how they should be treated. Rot in hell you yevriejsky kulturny narod!

[holocaust1917]

They were international jews (nkvd) not Russians who killed Polish Officers.

Fuck Iosif Jugasvili (Jewson) fuck jews!

[katyonok]

But that happens only after out present problems have been solved. We feel sorry for our ol people, but for now concentrating on future is more important than counting unborn victims.

[katyonok]

ah, btw yeltsin did apologize in the beginning of the 90ies. For you, Poles, that's enough for now.Wanna some money in addition? "V ochered', sukiny deti"! first the current Russian citizens will be compensated, next the former Soviet citizens, and only then you and other "aliens".Provided we have some money left:)

[VanBatonus]

You don't understand, its not about "money in addition". Soviets didn't only kill 20 000 people, they killed polish future... Those victims were polish aristocracy and highclass, wich was supposed to lead poland in future. How would you feel to know that your father was killed by single gunshot in back of his head ?? Its not about money, and if you still think so, then i think you should single gunshot your head :/:/

[katyonok]

Thanks, long live to you too:)

No, I ain't gonna cry about your future. If you whiners cannot stand fight back for it, that's YOUR problem. In Russia after revolution the most brainy people were sent away on a single "philosopher's ship", murdered later in GULAGS, and forced out of country by Yeltsin's clique(this is why the most productive s scientists are in American universities now). But look, we are back. and we believe in our future, despite the obstacles of the past.

[katyonok]

As for the money - we were ready to cooperate and almost opened our archives... but then YOU started to cry about compensations,as your lovely Baltic neighbors do. To much greed kills, as Russian proverbs says.

[katyonok]

Oh ya, not my father, but grand-grandfather was a Stalin's victim,too. Although I'd be interested in unbiased investigations about that epoch, I will wait till the first needs of Russian society are met. You'll have to wait,too, if you want to hear something from us. But for now, I like to see Russia's once strong adversaries yammer like abulic children behind us.:)

[lesz81]

the "first needs of the russian society" are to have the ball to admit the truth....only then can we have friendship in the future. Many ordinary Russian people would be willing to do that, since they are really not to blame for Katyn...But you still have f.....heads.. running your country, and one day they may shot in the back of the head of your childern

[kazikowski1976]

nothing will change that you are barbarians and murderers. aaa, yet, you mongol, you will never become member of EU because you are fucking asians. we will become power, very soon ya moron, you'll see. i like the havoc and mess we, your lords, do about your falsed election at EU conferences.

[kopiko123]

They killed about 20000 polish soldiers. Why they don't confess to crime ? They are cowards!!

[Zbychuore]

Polacy nigdy tego ruskim nie zapomną.

Katyń pomścimy !!! Gloria Victis !!!

[XBOXHUEG]

"Vere" (were) makes you sound like a stereotypical German ;) Also, "Belarus".

[alanheath]

When was this produced?

[gkrolik]

About ten years ago.

[alanheath]

The original film was made ten years ago?

[kangurski]

The other documentaries from the same author "Hitler, the Jew's best friend", "Uncle Stalin and his company", "Pearl Harbour - american provocation" and "How Russia won in Afghanistan"

[tvoidedbylpidar]

C'mon guys, the author of this movie is as much of a historian as is victor suvorov.

[Pankracyogame]

As far as I know Victor Suvorov is one of the best historians of our times.

If you want to prove me wrong - give me FACTS which will contradict his thesis...

I DO hope you try to put a few at least!!!

I really could use a good laugh!!!

[XBOXHUEG]

Suvorov is okay, but he has a GRU officer's education, not a historian's (right?).

[tvoidedbylpidar]

No, first you give me FACTS which support his theory , and than we'll talk. But he is not a historian, not because of education, but because of the unprofessional way he works with information.

[niftylou]

What Bullshit...using the words of the late great General Honore (Commander of New Orleans during Katrina) I'm afraid that the Russians will be permanently stuck on stupid when compared to the rest of the world. This is why they have consistently resorted to brutality, especially on their own people.