@SupaManCA You're thumbing up calling people gross? That's mean. Whether or not you find them attractive to you personally, that's mean. Consider how they are doing and their health, not their looks. Yours sincerely, a gross model with an eating disorder because I was sexually abused.
@halflinks Let me get this straight: The 'smart' thing to do is to continue this self-distructive trend that leads to so many people hurting and killing themselves for the sake of the few people lucky enough to get rich.
King Louie, I'll see you at the guillotine.
ps: if you ever have any children, (god forbid you do) they'll probably end up in the hospital for malnutrition or ulcers thanks to the values you will push on them.
But hey, at least you can afford that 'world's greatest parent' mug.
@ halflinks: You need help pal. Embracing capitalism is delusional thinking at this point in history. You will be hanging on for dear life during the financial collapse, capitalism and corporate greed being the villians. To even make a connection between anorexia and "accepting" by embracing capitalism is beyond delusional, you live in a fantasy world. Schizophrenia?
From the time I was about 5-6 I've seen magazine covers in check out line. I never noticed they looked thin, they looked like real people. Around that time I was begininng to notice the flab (baby fat) on my tummy and how I should start working out. Now I'm anorexic and wanting to lose weight so bad. Never felt pressured sexually though. I'm 15.
People always tell me that I have a great body, but then if I stop wearing as much make up, they ask if I'm sick. No, that's just what actual girls look like...Sorry to burst your bubble.
Obesity rates are higher than ever, and so is pressure from the media. It is harder to eat healthy and to exercise, but yet we are put down for being fat. It's a vicious cycle.
@bookcreator I can agree that media pressure is higher, but people being too damn lazy to exercise and their inability to stop eating so much crap is their own fault. It's one thing to blame media for promoting anorexia, it's another to remove the blame from people who have no self control.
@PinuyashaRPG really no self control?? Have you forgotten there are diseases of cumpulsive eating because you can't control your emotions? Have you forgotten different diseases like thyroid problems where you can't lose the weight or the fact that people can't afford healthy food? Why don't you stop judging because you don't know what anyone is going through! This comment was downright ignorant and it's why people have eating disorders or other problems with self-hatred.
@GoneWithTheWind2013 Yeah, because the majority of the US population has a thyroid problem, compulsive eating disorder, and can't afford to eat right. Or maybe the majority of the US population makes too many damn excuses for themselves about why they're fat. And I'm sure you're one those special "can't help that I'm fat" angels too, right? You downplay the people who have real problems when everyone jumps on those excuses.
@PinuyashaRPG okay judgmental bitch, I'm on 5 different meds from a pelvis disease and anxiety and I am battling anorexia and bulimia so don't tell me that I'm making excuses. You try to lose weight when your battling all this. Thank you for making my life better. A lot of us do have real issues but your to close minded to see it!!
@GoneWithTheWind2013 The person was talking about self control issues, not thyroid problems. Eating disorders are not diseases, they are DISORDERS that people with no self esteem form. You talk about him being close minded, yet he is the one making a valid point which you are choosing to ignore because of your "problems".
I just read Reviving Ophelia for one of my classes and I think Mary Pipher is totally right. Her message is absolutely important to get out to all parents and to society as a whole. Girls are suffering.. we all know this. Our western culture is sick.
Sure there will be thin pretty girls at checkout magazine racks. The young girl is dependent upon external sources for self esteem. I believe a parent of a young girl should be careful attacking these images as the source of this dysfunction. What needs to be understood is that it is easier to wear slippers than to carpet the whole world; prepare these girls (and boys) for the climate they will live in.
A girl does not need the message of this play, a girl needs a real man to look after her, love her, and make her feel beautiful even if she looks ugly. Love is all you need.
For those models, that's a BMI of 15.8. Healthy BMI is at least 18.5. I'm overweight, but trying to lose weight for my own benefit, not anybody else's. The pressure for women to shut up and look pretty is absurd.
Very well said. All of this is very painful to grow up with. It is difficult to overcome. What is mostly the problem, though, is that no-one seems to actually think it IS a problem and don't care for change.
When a rare, even unnatural vision of a woman dominates the media, they seem MUCH more common than they really are, unless you actively remind yourself that each billboard, TV ad, magazine is only an image (when pigs fly). I don't know how well our minds have evolved to catch up with photo and video technology, but I think we have much catching up to do. Once recorded images (porn, baby pics, spider close-ups, mangled bodies) cause no reaction, we will be there.
Now in the media, we are all to often hearing about depression, disorders, and medication for them. "Talk to your doctor." EVERYONE feels depressed or sad from time to time. The media seems to be trying to medicate the population.
Men are more likely to be victims of any violent crime except sexual misconduct. That being said, I'd take rape over murder any day of the week. While men are also more likely to be the perpetrators, do we say, "black men are more likely to commit crime, that makes them the oppressors?"
Why is violence so much worse when the victim has breasts?
It is this sort of behavior that converted Warren Farrell, ex-director of NOW, to leave the organization and admit that feminism is largely man-hate.
@88style83 men are not encouraged to murder the way they are encouraged by society to commodify women and sex. feminism is not largely man-hate, it is a criticism of a societal structure, of a culture that both hurts men and women.
hmm well i agree with this i dont like thin models on the magazines its not healthy and im sure they're not feeling well half the time or i could be wrong im not them, but i always worry for the girls who want to be like that so i tell them they are beautiful just the way they are which to my suprise i get a resounding blush and a thank you hug:3 girls i can guarantee you that if you eat more and stay healthy guys will be runnin to your door or at least saying "hey shes smokin" -concerned guy
3:34 courtney love <3 there's a real role model.. seriously
3:14 - 5:12 is a load of crap. Maybe some girls are like that, but it probably stems from a deeper problem. Girls who think for them-fucking-selves aren't fooled by it.
I'm thin - 5 ft. 1-and-a-half inches and 99 lbs. BUT I still feel depressed and hate myself. It's come to the point that at least in Los Angeles where I live being skinny isn't enough for people to see you as beautiful; you also have to have a gorgeous, symmetrical, feminine face and I don't have that. I have a crooked nose with a sharp bump on the bridge and eyes that are set closer than I'd like. I wish our culture fostered good self-image instead of making women hate themselves.
Magazines and media are both surreal worlds. No women looks perfect all the time. When i'm feeling down and depressed i look at pics of gorgeous celebs without thier make up and fancy clothes and realize that without such aid thier beauty fades. We need to teach girls at a young age, whether it be through parenting or the school system to invest a realistic view of accepting our bodies and loving who we are rather than hating what we look like.
Some good points in the video, but it's grossly oversimplified.
Many men choose their women based on sexual attraction (the natural way), and not by some media image as suggested here. And their tastes in women differ greatly if you ask them about it or see the couples that form, of all shapes and sizes.
Romantic relationships are an emotional bond, not a rational 'investment'.
give me a break people...you know that you first base a person on their appearance...and you'd rather have an Angelina Jolie than a Rosanne Barr even tho Roseanne has a way better personality...I'm blessed skinny so how do you like that! Turns out I'm in the top 5 percent. The problem with people these days is that they don't get active in anything. Instead, they sit their butts in front on computers and video games all day. Pathetic really. And you wonder why Americans are super fat.
Ur obviously very insecure if u feel the need 2 let everyone kno that ur in the 'top 5%'. Hopefully u have something more to offer ppl than just a 'nice figure'.
ok thats whats happening there wher u are.u have 2 understand that this is not being yourself confidently and naturally this is superficial which is unattractive, when these guys have relationships later on i gaurantee they wil want real attributes in a person or the wil be unhappy and six pack just a stomach thats over excercised and that doesnt keep the girlfriend warm haha
I don't get why they only focus on girls. Look at some of the male characters that boys have to look up to. They're so cut it's, not even possible to achieve that body.
I know. It's the same way with girls though. Like how girls see these runway models and try to get that skinny. While men are interested in girls that weigh more than ten pounds.
So, even though the other sex isn't interested in what we strive for, we have been so programmed, we still try to be like that.
I agree, a very unrealistic ideal is portrayed in the media over and over again and every one is trying to be overly sexual to fit in. When young people try to be sexy just to be cool, they lose their character and morals.
Women do this at times with the status thing. Yes it's wrong and I don't think it should be done so you've got at least one good arguing point. What I meant by sex object is using another person's body as the sole basis of attraction and viewing the person as nothing more than that. If there's one thing we can both agree on is that the media never paints a full picture. It's something that needs to change to give good views to both genders as whole people, not good for one thing or the other.
Pt. 1: Wow. Ok, what I meant was that the media is constantly sending signals to males, especially young males, that you should choose your partner based off of looks and how "sexy" they are. Young women are not shown to do this with men. Through the media, they are shown that they need to be sexy enough for men to desire them.
Pt 2: Young men feel the pressure to be masculine and tough which can lead to acting out violently and treating women, like sex objects. The whole point is, adolescents love to be physically attracted to their partner, but they need to be shown to look deeper to who they are inside and the media does a horrible job at this. How dare you floydianwolrd3 say "Women are whores... Their media reflects this. " If you haven't noticed, the media doesn't show the truth for either gender.
yeagh but a 6 pack is what all guys talk about in 7th grade im a freshman i got a six pack but i remember in the summer of 6th i would do as many sit ups almost to the point of fainting when i got mine in 7th at sleep overs when we would go swimming allot of guys wouldnt go in not because they were fat but because they wernt muscular or the girls wouldnt go in because they had small boobs
That's toally true about the way women are photographed similarly for edvertisements and pornography.
Also, look at the covers of magazines such as "Men's Health" - those kinds of images also show extremes of male fitness and try to project an ideal of what all women are supposed to find sexually attractive.
Yes, I think a lot of women feel this way, but then a lot of men feel that if they don't have a specific, muscular and, as you put it, unnatural look, that women will not find them attractive. It's simply untrue; there's no specific way that people are supposed to look. And anyway, it's just the way you look, it isn't even a representation of your personality.
Both women and men are shown as being sex objects in the media but it is mostly women. This is a fact and even in pictures of women they're normally full-body shots while men's are torso shots. Torso shots better allow the mind to perceive the emotions and thoughts of the person. Biologically we look for the mates with the best physical traits for fertility- women look at men too. But you would of coruse think only of the woman being looked at from the images in the media. Great doc, ppl.
The large breasts and "shape" of a woman is purely biological. These thing lead to better child rearing, but this fake beauty has driven the societal image of woman to "perfect". Just today a beautiful girl said she did not like the way she looked. Let's just say I do.
Amazing...Truly amazing. I suffer with an ED, and what she said is so true. I've been struggling for years now, and as soon as I get better, it takes only one magazine to make m feel guilty and fall back into my old (bad) habits.
Next time you're at the grocery store, take a look at the women's magazines in the checkout aisle. They all have sexy models on the front (and maybe an article about "pleasing your man" aside recipes for sweet treats. This is evidence for precisely what she is saying.
my problem with this video is that she doesn't really get into the economics of the situation. there are people who profit off of women's hatred of themselves and who create the kind of advertising and climate which produces the alienation of people from their own bodies. but other than that there is a lot of good stuff in the book and the video.
Far and away the biggest eating disorder is OVEREATING. Being fat is terrible for one's physical and mental health. Being fat is a sign of laziness and lack of self control. Stop with the sob stories already and all these absurd lies about how beauty standards are all cultural constructs.
Excuse me! Overeating causes probably over 300,000 premature deaths a year in the US. I highly doubt that anorexia cause 1% of that.
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Far and away the biggest eating disorder is OVEREATING. Being fat is terrible for one's physical and mental health. Being fat is a sign of laziness and lack of self control. Stop with the sob stories already and all these absurd lies about how beauty standards are all cultural constructs.
These statistics are misleading. Overeating does not cause death. And yes, underweight people actually have a lower life expectancy than overweight people. 300,000 people die per year who happen to be fat, and their adiposity is projected to be their cause of death (the fine print on this statistic even says that). The truth is that car accidents cause most deaths. Statistics and myths about being overweight are crammed down our throats because of our fat hating society. Check The Obesity Myth
Your arguments are sophistical. It is not that 300,000 fat people die each year and that all of their deaths are imputed to obesity.
It is the case that there are <300,000 excess death per year among fat people and that, to the best extent possible, statisticians isolate excess fat to be the cause of 300K+ deaths. You really need some idea about statistics.
If you are basing your desire to avoid doing the exercise and dieting necessary to lose weight on the idea that obesity isn't a very
serious contributor to a wide variety of deadly health problem, you are in trouble.
But it's your health and your choice. Believe comforting lies. Stay sedentary and indulgent. You will be likely to incur serious health problems and to ultimately die early.
Compulsive eating is also a disorder... and she (Pipher) does address the fact that some girls turn to this as a coping mechanism (I agree, I have in the past). Anorexia and bulimia are bad and are mostly a result of our society's impossible standards of beauty.
Compulsive overeating and binge eating (without purging) are also bad and usually also brought upon by equally stressful figures. I believe that what we should do is join forces and encourage healthy eating... not too much or too little.
Oh yeah, well what about someone like me who's 5ft. 1 or 2" and 99 lbs. with a small C-cup and yet guys STILL don't look at me dammit! What do I have to do for men to notice me? The media has brainwashed men so much that they won't look at a woman unless she dresses like she just came out of a photo shoot for Bazaar and has a gorgeous face; cute is no longer good enough. If women are complaining it's because these "sob stories" are true; we live in a world that makes women hate themselves.
Men probably do look at you, but subtly so you don't confront and reject them, hurting their pride. If you're under 60, not super ugly, don't have a beard, then men will look at you. Not the creepy stare, unless he has no tact, but the glance you may not even catch.
If you want to see a picture of me, let me know and I'll show you what I look like. I'd appreciate an honest opinion on my face. I have no problem with my body. Yes, I am short (5'1") but what can I do about that? I'm thin and in shape. It's my face I don't like because it's not very feminine and symmetrical; this is why men don't look at me. Men like oval faces with high cheekbones and large eyes. I have a heart-shaped face with medium eyes and a thin, crooked nose.
i 100% percent agree with this. I am a fifteen year old girl and i see this with friends and girls around ,e and the boys in my grade. Our culture has encouraged girls to be nothing but objects. and valued only for their looks and sexuality, not by their brains or other attributes. it's also trained young girls to try to be cute and pretty instead of smart and successful.
silly girl. she is a therapist. she decided to address this because of the hundreds of girls that have experienced emotional issues, eating disorders and even suicidal thoughts. She wanted to address what happens from the happy go lucky young girl to the moody and worse adolescent girl. When you mature into a young adult or a mom you should understand. Also, the facts that she gives isn't her opinion its from research. Rest assured that measure have been taken to account for lies. God Bless!
yes. there are those girls. there are tons of girls. with tons or perspectives. im sure these people dont know they lie cause thay dont know them! she is a therapist, and took courses but courses can never really teach anyone how any one persons brain works, or anything about them really. not about there personality. you need time to do that. time which these people dont have, or use.
She has actually counselled girls face to face and they do let her know about their problems.I actually read Mary Piphers book which has the same title as this video.
Once you're in your twenties you'll value this kind of mentality - once you're out in the real world. (This woman deserves credit - people in this field have been doing research long enough to set up control situations and specially-worded questions when asking questions of teens to control the "lie" factor.)
Seriously, take a women's psychology class once you're in college - it will totally open your eyes to the sexism around us.
But i know how my brin works and how alot of my riends brains work. you can read into lies, into their minds through there minds but no matter how hard you powere tripping people work you will never know, because you never saved that neverneverland in your mind that could have told you how our minds really work. your just a grown up. and i will be too.
but i know at that point, i wont understand the youth then. i have watched people straight up lie, up down and sideways to teachers, police and parents. you cant read into us, you dont even really care. dont say you do.
maybe, just maybe if you really took the time to know us. read our expressions, our voices. youd know but until that day comes when you can think like a kid. youll just have to beleive what "ophelia" sais.
no, she means that on average, most american women are around that height or weight. she is saying that the girls in those magazines aren't what most american girls look like, not that those who don't look like that aren't real.
you obviously weren't listening. She was saying that the growing disparity between the average woman and the "model" woman's size were so distant-- it's driving more women to drastic actions in order to achieve that standard.
What about men in American society. I see westerners treat men the same way as the treat women as male sex object. They have to be tanned wit muscles and strong chest. Most men cannot live up to this. So how would you think they feel. Having to live up to that image so they can get a girlfriend.
@elizabatz18 that's not necessarily true. not every girl who has sex means they're a slut. If they have sex with multiple guys out of want and what have you, then yes they may fall under that category. Also, if you don't have sex, it doesn't mean you're a prude...there's a such thing as beliefs that a lot of girls believe in which is why some do make the right decision and wait until they are ready.
Harebrained-theory: Do pictures of thin people make people fat? There is an instinctive fear of starvation that makes you hungry when you see people starving. Fast food advertisements alternate with pictures of very skinny women. Dieters who picture themselves as skin-n-bones are more likely to gorge themselves in preparation for the coming lean times. It's a very old instinct. Fear of hunger makes people fatten up.
teenagers are driven by hormones to have sex, really, its not all the medias fault. teens have been having sex too early since forever, and they are still going to regret it forever.
Yeah, if women can then find the unlucky man that inseminated her, she can reward her unchaste, nation destroying behavior, by child support, or a house payment!
The child should go to those that can afford them, and its not women or the State.
85% of hookers, strippers and criminals come from single mother households.
"Simply put", the majority of women do aim for the top, but they also aim to have families..Most corporations don't like having women with children on their boards,but having men with children is TOTALLY acceptable.FYI I was studying IT for a long time and left not due to inability, but due to the fact that nobody seemed to be able to see past my being a girl, and assumed that meant I had to be baby-talked on everything. If you don't think discrimination exists, you're kidding yourself.
What you find attractive is up to you..but it's the idea of how you treat people because of that attraction. If you find only women with dark hair attractive,does that mean you should criticise women who have light hair?Or make them feel bad for being born that way? Similarly,if you know the "hot" chick and the "fat" chick and find that the fat chick is the one who makes you happy,will society support you in your decision to date her? The media says no: anything other than thin is unacceptable.
We are abused by the verbal and nonverbal signals. We seek refuge in our solitude to enjoy that peace of full acceptance of ourselves. But family, and culture impose the false paradigms that divert and distract us from that sanctuary, until calamity sends us back in a mental fetal position within that sanctuary of self.
This is how we exist and move through life, hostaged to that imprisoned child within us:
Once we allow the mutilation of our psyche by the "nurture" of our environment, we set up for the abuse and degradation of all external to us, since we have set the precedent on ourselves.
I'm not a bible thumping fundamentalist, but the verses that say the sins of one generation passing on to succeeding generation was an observation of natural laws as much as part of sectarian belief. To what extent do we degrade ourselves for the baubles, trinkets, and beads of modernity?
Skinny women are gross. Gimmie curves over skin and bones every single time. Skanky, slutty girls are gross too. Gimmie a smart classy woman, and I'm so turned on. Think for yourself, girls. TV and magazines just want your money.
I phrased it poorly. I apologize. What I meant was that I don't find the skin and bones look attractive at all. The media is trying to impress the idea that skinny, skanky, slutty girls are the most attractive thing there is. I strongly disagree.
Am I allowed to have that opinion, or are the thought police gonna skin me alive for intellectual rape or whatever?
I think what they meant was that by telling woman what men want from them doesn't really help regardless of the fact that they want a girl with a little something to squeeze. Women (and men) should look beyond physical attractivness and what is considered beautiful which is the hardest part of this whole issue.
People like you contribute greatly to the public's perception of the female, seeing female equality as some sort of joke. Thank you very much for perpetuating this inane idea.
perhaps one day you'll get raped (in prison) after a woman makes a "false rape" accusation of you and you are rightfully convicted. Maybe you'll see the horror of it then.
the first thing the kids need is attentive parents. when i was an adolescent i was all rebelling and stuff and my mom actually had this book and i could relate to the stories of the young girls in it, and i was thinking "why is my mom so clueless?" cause when she'd talk to me it was like she was my enemy or something. i know now she just didnt know how to deal but all parents need to do is show constant LOVE and attention and their kids will make better decisions. their self esteem will be ok.
My parents, both of them, were very involved, attentive, supportive, and loving and I STILL had problems with my self-esteem when I was growing up.
This happens to ALL young girls when they reach adolescence in the United States REGARDLESS of what their parents are like, how attentive they are, etc. The desire to be thin, societal pressure to be thin or you won't be accepted, loved, popular, are pervasive and all encompassing. Every girl is impacted by it.
er yeah ok maybe their self esteem wont be 'ok' but it will be better with loving, involved parents than with parents who act like everything u do is wrong (because of how the media can cause one to act out)
I didn't reply to "The Wage Gap Myth" or watch the video because I was disappointed by the lack of content of the other articles. None of them supported your viewpoints any farther than the titles. I didn't feel like spending any more time on it.
As for "Forget hard work - women would rather flirt their way to the top"
Did you watch this video? Of course women are going to use sexuality to advance themselves anyway they can. When you're bludgeoned over the head again and again with the idea that one of your key assets is your sexuality, why wouldn't you take advantage of it. Funny how none of the blame lies with the men on this one for allowing women to use thier sexuality as a method of advancement.
Joekidd just doesn'y understand us powerfull women and is obviously intimidated. If only he could understand by cutting off his dirty, DIRTY pe(vil)nis. I am 5'4 and 145 pounds and got rejected from playboy!? If a bunch of MEN with their DIRTY penis's didnt run the company i could have made it. tell me that not being able to appear in playboy isn't a reason for adolescent girls to want to commit suicide!>:o. What kind of self respecting woman has sex with men anyways?! look at joekidd33!!
Oh, I see. Because clearly, in a society where women suffer far greater rates of depression, eating disorders, rape, domestic abuse than men, and where the wage gap still very much exists, women are TOTALLY doing better than men. Totally.
Yes, I have seen Playboy magazines. And I have seen how "normal" women look. And there is a huge disparity between the two. THAT'S THE POINT.
The study is titled "Gender differences in population versus media body sizes: a comparison over four decades".
Feminists like DO study how masculinity affects men, like in the study above. But how is that even their responsibility? If men are concerned with how they are represented in mass media, why don't THEY study it? Why shift the burden to women?
According to a 1999 study in the peer-reviewed journal "Sex Roles" (vol 40, iss 7-8), researchers found that nearly all Playboy centerfolds were classified as having a BMI in the clinically underweight range. So it would seem your "stick" comment is a wee bit off.
"Protecting women" from a misogynist society is an inherently reactionary strategy. As such, it's ridiculously inefficient. I would think that the better solution would be to eliminate the misogyny in the first place.. which is what the feminist movement has always aimed to do.
And I don't see any "crying". I see well-reasoned arguments from concerned people. I would think that at the ripe old age of 28, you'd be able to tell the difference.
joekidd, you see there's a serious problem that this woman is just trying to suggest, yeah women started the sexual revolution but because they felt opressed by men and society's values. This problem seems to have gotten worse and you're blaming people you didn't know on what they did in the past, and because of that you don't care about how our girls are affected in america?
Why is it when a video is focused on problems directed at WOMEN which effect them vastly more then men someone cries out "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ??!" this is not your problem , this barely affects you , look through the feamle lens for a DAY and see the pressure that surrounds us all the time.
Haha. I totally agree with you. People like to deflect problems by turning the focus to something else, thus it sends everyone off on a tangent, and the original problem is completely ignored. However, I must say that it is a woman's problem, as well as a man's. It's the job of society as a whole to re-evaluate it's view of women, what they are expected to be, etc. If only half of the population is willing to do this, nothing will ever change.
It happens really often on ANY disscusion about injustice done to women, anything I mean ANYTHING , complain about sexual harassment "menz get harassed too!" complain about rape rates "OMG what about the menz!! 5 %are affected!!! and it's mostly done by other men anyway! wait......" complain about how women are sold and bought everyday "OMG I stubbed my toe! Pay attention to da menz!!!" it gets old REALLY quick
saddly, the same aint true in eastern europe. I see women and girls reading Cosmo everywhere. Its ruining the proper ideals. I think people should think more on the ideals of the 1920s.
This old lady is telling us what men think and why they think it. Because she has a mind of man. Uh, ok. Just like what Dave Chappelle said, "And women are reading these articles, '50 Ways to satisfy your man', written BY A WOMAN"
So are most girls in Eastern Europe. The sad thing is that the clothes they wear make them look wobbly, with their fat pouring over their belt, because the belt is in an unnatural height.
Can you imagine if men protested in the streets about
the use of large penis porno men? Saying it was discrimanatory and damaging to their egos? Reality
check - millions are out there dying of cancer, Aids , wars, famine, etc. Fat american girls can live with seeing hot models on TV. I bet they'll survive.
I realized how brainwashed I am when I watch this video. I know how screwed up the media is, I know how that the pictures are airbrushed and adjusted, but I still cant help thinking that I need to lose weight...to be more like this fake image of perfection
thank Allah swt i'm muslim now. dont have to worry about such small things in life that dont matter. women of the world take back you power and be beautiful from within! BE SMART!BE LOVING!BE FUNNY! DONT BE MEAT FOR MEN!
i had an eating disorder from the time i was a teen thru my 20's. i did irriversible damage to my health. now i think i am fat, but everyone tells me i am normal. i guess i did irreversible damage to self image too.
The models up there aren't REAL. You can't live up to a FALSE impression of beauty. I'm a guy so believe me when I say that you do NOT have to be a bony model to get my attention. I prefer reality, flaws, blemishes, the way a woman's body REALLY IS. You can be overweight and still be very attractive. TRUST ME, your inner confidence and character will always shine through if you get RID of this assumption that only your boobs, thinness and butt matter.
, cause they want to look like them, even the old mam who is talking used to want, and its normal!! the real thing its how? you have to understand that to be fat, is equal to be sick, but to be skiny too...
girls want men to be like the movie ones, but the fact its that there are more important things, and there is a personal road you need to walk to see it, it does not matter how hard you trie to tell someone that this is not the most important thing in the world...
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@SupaManCA You're thumbing up calling people gross? That's mean. Whether or not you find them attractive to you personally, that's mean. Consider how they are doing and their health, not their looks. Yours sincerely, a gross model with an eating disorder because I was sexually abused.
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@halflinks Let me get this straight: The 'smart' thing to do is to continue this self-distructive trend that leads to so many people hurting and killing themselves for the sake of the few people lucky enough to get rich.
King Louie, I'll see you at the guillotine.
ps: if you ever have any children, (god forbid you do) they'll probably end up in the hospital for malnutrition or ulcers thanks to the values you will push on them.
But hey, at least you can afford that 'world's greatest parent' mug.
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sexykatie90 8 months ago
@ halflinks: You need help pal. Embracing capitalism is delusional thinking at this point in history. You will be hanging on for dear life during the financial collapse, capitalism and corporate greed being the villians. To even make a connection between anorexia and "accepting" by embracing capitalism is beyond delusional, you live in a fantasy world. Schizophrenia?
rdrbisbee 10 months ago
From the time I was about 5-6 I've seen magazine covers in check out line. I never noticed they looked thin, they looked like real people. Around that time I was begininng to notice the flab (baby fat) on my tummy and how I should start working out. Now I'm anorexic and wanting to lose weight so bad. Never felt pressured sexually though. I'm 15.
prankisteen 11 months ago
People always tell me that I have a great body, but then if I stop wearing as much make up, they ask if I'm sick. No, that's just what actual girls look like...Sorry to burst your bubble.
AlysonL319 1 year ago 8
Obesity rates are higher than ever, and so is pressure from the media. It is harder to eat healthy and to exercise, but yet we are put down for being fat. It's a vicious cycle.
bookcreator 1 year ago 4
@bookcreator I can agree that media pressure is higher, but people being too damn lazy to exercise and their inability to stop eating so much crap is their own fault. It's one thing to blame media for promoting anorexia, it's another to remove the blame from people who have no self control.
PinuyashaRPG 1 month ago in playlist Child Pornography and Child Sexual Exploitation
@PinuyashaRPG really no self control?? Have you forgotten there are diseases of cumpulsive eating because you can't control your emotions? Have you forgotten different diseases like thyroid problems where you can't lose the weight or the fact that people can't afford healthy food? Why don't you stop judging because you don't know what anyone is going through! This comment was downright ignorant and it's why people have eating disorders or other problems with self-hatred.
GoneWithTheWind2013 1 month ago
@GoneWithTheWind2013 Yeah, because the majority of the US population has a thyroid problem, compulsive eating disorder, and can't afford to eat right. Or maybe the majority of the US population makes too many damn excuses for themselves about why they're fat. And I'm sure you're one those special "can't help that I'm fat" angels too, right? You downplay the people who have real problems when everyone jumps on those excuses.
PinuyashaRPG 1 month ago
@PinuyashaRPG okay judgmental bitch, I'm on 5 different meds from a pelvis disease and anxiety and I am battling anorexia and bulimia so don't tell me that I'm making excuses. You try to lose weight when your battling all this. Thank you for making my life better. A lot of us do have real issues but your to close minded to see it!!
GoneWithTheWind2013 1 month ago
@GoneWithTheWind2013 Cool story bro.
PinuyashaRPG 1 month ago
@GoneWithTheWind2013 The person was talking about self control issues, not thyroid problems. Eating disorders are not diseases, they are DISORDERS that people with no self esteem form. You talk about him being close minded, yet he is the one making a valid point which you are choosing to ignore because of your "problems".
cuband8 2 weeks ago
I just read Reviving Ophelia for one of my classes and I think Mary Pipher is totally right. Her message is absolutely important to get out to all parents and to society as a whole. Girls are suffering.. we all know this. Our western culture is sick.
Jesuslily 1 year ago 2
I've never felt obligated to be sexual or anything. Now I feel weird about it.
RockTheWalk960 1 year ago
Sure there will be thin pretty girls at checkout magazine racks. The young girl is dependent upon external sources for self esteem. I believe a parent of a young girl should be careful attacking these images as the source of this dysfunction. What needs to be understood is that it is easier to wear slippers than to carpet the whole world; prepare these girls (and boys) for the climate they will live in.
eppurse 1 year ago
very good point
flyorra 1 year ago
love this book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canzi98 1 year ago
A girl does not need the message of this play, a girl needs a real man to look after her, love her, and make her feel beautiful even if she looks ugly. Love is all you need.
nintendo768 1 year ago
I need the script to this to tryout for this play. does anyone know where to get one?
nintendo768 1 year ago
This video is a rare treat of truth...
Patternpop 1 year ago
read this book. should be called "the pain of being middle class and white
bretthetroll 1 year ago
elizabatz18 the only reason they would call you a prude is because they're mad they can't have you.
mullygtb21 1 year ago
For those models, that's a BMI of 15.8. Healthy BMI is at least 18.5. I'm overweight, but trying to lose weight for my own benefit, not anybody else's. The pressure for women to shut up and look pretty is absurd.
InYourFaceNewYorker 1 year ago
Very well said. All of this is very painful to grow up with. It is difficult to overcome. What is mostly the problem, though, is that no-one seems to actually think it IS a problem and don't care for change.
DanceswithUtube 1 year ago
This one does not even look female - looks like a boy - 1:39
The Fashion world's ideal woman is a boy.
klassytome 1 year ago 5
When a rare, even unnatural vision of a woman dominates the media, they seem MUCH more common than they really are, unless you actively remind yourself that each billboard, TV ad, magazine is only an image (when pigs fly). I don't know how well our minds have evolved to catch up with photo and video technology, but I think we have much catching up to do. Once recorded images (porn, baby pics, spider close-ups, mangled bodies) cause no reaction, we will be there.
qwexas 1 year ago
Now in the media, we are all to often hearing about depression, disorders, and medication for them. "Talk to your doctor." EVERYONE feels depressed or sad from time to time. The media seems to be trying to medicate the population.
DeeeAnnna01 1 year ago
Men are more likely to be victims of any violent crime except sexual misconduct. That being said, I'd take rape over murder any day of the week. While men are also more likely to be the perpetrators, do we say, "black men are more likely to commit crime, that makes them the oppressors?"
Why is violence so much worse when the victim has breasts?
It is this sort of behavior that converted Warren Farrell, ex-director of NOW, to leave the organization and admit that feminism is largely man-hate.
88style83 2 years ago
@88style83 men are not encouraged to murder the way they are encouraged by society to commodify women and sex. feminism is not largely man-hate, it is a criticism of a societal structure, of a culture that both hurts men and women.
heidishoshana 1 year ago 5
hmm well i agree with this i dont like thin models on the magazines its not healthy and im sure they're not feeling well half the time or i could be wrong im not them, but i always worry for the girls who want to be like that so i tell them they are beautiful just the way they are which to my suprise i get a resounding blush and a thank you hug:3 girls i can guarantee you that if you eat more and stay healthy guys will be runnin to your door or at least saying "hey shes smokin" -concerned guy
jiihro 2 years ago 3
To all girls:
You are beautiful just the way you are.
...don't forget that all these pictures are retouched to high heaven - computers can get rid of acne, discoloration - even fat.
NakamuraNamiko 2 years ago 13
3:34 courtney love <3 there's a real role model.. seriously
3:14 - 5:12 is a load of crap. Maybe some girls are like that, but it probably stems from a deeper problem. Girls who think for them-fucking-selves aren't fooled by it.
ktcat4002 2 years ago
I'm thin - 5 ft. 1-and-a-half inches and 99 lbs. BUT I still feel depressed and hate myself. It's come to the point that at least in Los Angeles where I live being skinny isn't enough for people to see you as beautiful; you also have to have a gorgeous, symmetrical, feminine face and I don't have that. I have a crooked nose with a sharp bump on the bridge and eyes that are set closer than I'd like. I wish our culture fostered good self-image instead of making women hate themselves.
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
Magazines and media are both surreal worlds. No women looks perfect all the time. When i'm feeling down and depressed i look at pics of gorgeous celebs without thier make up and fancy clothes and realize that without such aid thier beauty fades. We need to teach girls at a young age, whether it be through parenting or the school system to invest a realistic view of accepting our bodies and loving who we are rather than hating what we look like.
savica02 2 years ago 4
Some good points in the video, but it's grossly oversimplified.
Many men choose their women based on sexual attraction (the natural way), and not by some media image as suggested here. And their tastes in women differ greatly if you ask them about it or see the couples that form, of all shapes and sizes.
Romantic relationships are an emotional bond, not a rational 'investment'.
HiAdrian 2 years ago
exactly. opt out of the insanity. you will be better for it.
posypusher 2 years ago 3
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give me a break people...you know that you first base a person on their appearance...and you'd rather have an Angelina Jolie than a Rosanne Barr even tho Roseanne has a way better personality...I'm blessed skinny so how do you like that! Turns out I'm in the top 5 percent. The problem with people these days is that they don't get active in anything. Instead, they sit their butts in front on computers and video games all day. Pathetic really. And you wonder why Americans are super fat.
xjdawg323x 2 years ago
Ur obviously very insecure if u feel the need 2 let everyone kno that ur in the 'top 5%'. Hopefully u have something more to offer ppl than just a 'nice figure'.
bkempress718 2 years ago 19
ok thats whats happening there wher u are.u have 2 understand that this is not being yourself confidently and naturally this is superficial which is unattractive, when these guys have relationships later on i gaurantee they wil want real attributes in a person or the wil be unhappy and six pack just a stomach thats over excercised and that doesnt keep the girlfriend warm haha
lucyinclonmel 2 years ago
i dont really think girls care as much as this video says i mean the obesity is up in girls and boys
Ward8668 2 years ago
For Gods sake
If we really feel depressed when buying these magazines
why do we still buying them !!!!!!
I mean , if we all stopped buying them
maybe they will realize that there is something wrong and that they must change the contents of their mags to match with the real world out there
hasan218 2 years ago 8
I don't get why they only focus on girls. Look at some of the male characters that boys have to look up to. They're so cut it's, not even possible to achieve that body.
derekismature 2 years ago 3
im a gal and i find over excercising turn off, men and women team up when theres chemistry not whens theres less flesh
lucyinclonmel 2 years ago 5
I know. It's the same way with girls though. Like how girls see these runway models and try to get that skinny. While men are interested in girls that weigh more than ten pounds.
So, even though the other sex isn't interested in what we strive for, we have been so programmed, we still try to be like that.
derekismature 2 years ago
I agree, a very unrealistic ideal is portrayed in the media over and over again and every one is trying to be overly sexual to fit in. When young people try to be sexy just to be cool, they lose their character and morals.
amberlynn218 2 years ago 15
Women do this at times with the status thing. Yes it's wrong and I don't think it should be done so you've got at least one good arguing point. What I meant by sex object is using another person's body as the sole basis of attraction and viewing the person as nothing more than that. If there's one thing we can both agree on is that the media never paints a full picture. It's something that needs to change to give good views to both genders as whole people, not good for one thing or the other.
123HommieN 2 years ago 4
Pt. 1: Wow. Ok, what I meant was that the media is constantly sending signals to males, especially young males, that you should choose your partner based off of looks and how "sexy" they are. Young women are not shown to do this with men. Through the media, they are shown that they need to be sexy enough for men to desire them.
123HommieN 2 years ago 8
Pt 2: Young men feel the pressure to be masculine and tough which can lead to acting out violently and treating women, like sex objects. The whole point is, adolescents love to be physically attracted to their partner, but they need to be shown to look deeper to who they are inside and the media does a horrible job at this. How dare you floydianwolrd3 say "Women are whores... Their media reflects this. " If you haven't noticed, the media doesn't show the truth for either gender.
123HommieN 2 years ago 10
that is actually turn off that guys obsessing with themselves, that is very unmasculine right, i mean u can b fit without six pack
lucyinclonmel 2 years ago
yeagh but a 6 pack is what all guys talk about in 7th grade im a freshman i got a six pack but i remember in the summer of 6th i would do as many sit ups almost to the point of fainting when i got mine in 7th at sleep overs when we would go swimming allot of guys wouldnt go in not because they were fat but because they wernt muscular or the girls wouldnt go in because they had small boobs
Ward8668 2 years ago
That's toally true about the way women are photographed similarly for edvertisements and pornography.
Also, look at the covers of magazines such as "Men's Health" - those kinds of images also show extremes of male fitness and try to project an ideal of what all women are supposed to find sexually attractive.
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TheLostDirector 2 years ago 9
that unnatural look i dont like, prefer normal mans body and its much more attractive to me
lucyinclonmel 2 years ago
Yes, I think a lot of women feel this way, but then a lot of men feel that if they don't have a specific, muscular and, as you put it, unnatural look, that women will not find them attractive. It's simply untrue; there's no specific way that people are supposed to look. And anyway, it's just the way you look, it isn't even a representation of your personality.
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TheLostDirector 2 years ago 7
Wish there was modesty in the media... darn liberal elite!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
Are you joking? You think the media is liberal? You think liberals are responsible for these images of women? NO. Just no.
angelachaos 2 years ago
Well... So conservatives then.. lol... I know fox news doesnt show any images like this..
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
Both women and men are shown as being sex objects in the media but it is mostly women. This is a fact and even in pictures of women they're normally full-body shots while men's are torso shots. Torso shots better allow the mind to perceive the emotions and thoughts of the person. Biologically we look for the mates with the best physical traits for fertility- women look at men too. But you would of coruse think only of the woman being looked at from the images in the media. Great doc, ppl.
edwardcookiecutter 2 years ago 8
The large breasts and "shape" of a woman is purely biological. These thing lead to better child rearing, but this fake beauty has driven the societal image of woman to "perfect". Just today a beautiful girl said she did not like the way she looked. Let's just say I do.
jamesrgrieshaber 3 years ago
But the point was that boys think that "breast size" and "shape" are the best qualities in a woman and they don't care about her personality.
123HommieN 3 years ago
Amazing...Truly amazing. I suffer with an ED, and what she said is so true. I've been struggling for years now, and as soon as I get better, it takes only one magazine to make m feel guilty and fall back into my old (bad) habits.
SilentHill 3 years ago
Next time you're at the grocery store, take a look at the women's magazines in the checkout aisle. They all have sexy models on the front (and maybe an article about "pleasing your man" aside recipes for sweet treats. This is evidence for precisely what she is saying.
blueprairiedog 3 years ago 46
my problem with this video is that she doesn't really get into the economics of the situation. there are people who profit off of women's hatred of themselves and who create the kind of advertising and climate which produces the alienation of people from their own bodies. but other than that there is a lot of good stuff in the book and the video.
nuclearnight 3 years ago
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Far and away the biggest eating disorder is OVEREATING. Being fat is terrible for one's physical and mental health. Being fat is a sign of laziness and lack of self control. Stop with the sob stories already and all these absurd lies about how beauty standards are all cultural constructs.
fjfjvmvm 3 years ago
overeating is rarely as deadly as anorexia or bulimia.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
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Excuse me! Overeating causes probably over 300,000 premature deaths a year in the US. I highly doubt that anorexia cause 1% of that.
To reiterate my above comment that was cowardly spammed;
Far and away the biggest eating disorder is OVEREATING. Being fat is terrible for one's physical and mental health. Being fat is a sign of laziness and lack of self control. Stop with the sob stories already and all these absurd lies about how beauty standards are all cultural constructs.
fjfjvmvm 3 years ago
These statistics are misleading. Overeating does not cause death. And yes, underweight people actually have a lower life expectancy than overweight people. 300,000 people die per year who happen to be fat, and their adiposity is projected to be their cause of death (the fine print on this statistic even says that). The truth is that car accidents cause most deaths. Statistics and myths about being overweight are crammed down our throats because of our fat hating society. Check The Obesity Myth
willingheartL 3 years ago
Your arguments are sophistical. It is not that 300,000 fat people die each year and that all of their deaths are imputed to obesity.
It is the case that there are <300,000 excess death per year among fat people and that, to the best extent possible, statisticians isolate excess fat to be the cause of 300K+ deaths. You really need some idea about statistics.
If you are basing your desire to avoid doing the exercise and dieting necessary to lose weight on the idea that obesity isn't a very
fjfjvmvm 2 years ago
serious contributor to a wide variety of deadly health problem, you are in trouble.
But it's your health and your choice. Believe comforting lies. Stay sedentary and indulgent. You will be likely to incur serious health problems and to ultimately die early.
fjfjvmvm 2 years ago
Compulsive eating is also a disorder... and she (Pipher) does address the fact that some girls turn to this as a coping mechanism (I agree, I have in the past). Anorexia and bulimia are bad and are mostly a result of our society's impossible standards of beauty.
Compulsive overeating and binge eating (without purging) are also bad and usually also brought upon by equally stressful figures. I believe that what we should do is join forces and encourage healthy eating... not too much or too little.
theRealCrazyOne 2 years ago
Oh yeah, well what about someone like me who's 5ft. 1 or 2" and 99 lbs. with a small C-cup and yet guys STILL don't look at me dammit! What do I have to do for men to notice me? The media has brainwashed men so much that they won't look at a woman unless she dresses like she just came out of a photo shoot for Bazaar and has a gorgeous face; cute is no longer good enough. If women are complaining it's because these "sob stories" are true; we live in a world that makes women hate themselves.
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
a real man isnt all visual. dont b with a man that bases his likes for you on your looks alone.
Kunich8653 2 years ago 6
@ jfkjrlover
Men probably do look at you, but subtly so you don't confront and reject them, hurting their pride. If you're under 60, not super ugly, don't have a beard, then men will look at you. Not the creepy stare, unless he has no tact, but the glance you may not even catch.
qwexas 1 year ago
If you want to see a picture of me, let me know and I'll show you what I look like. I'd appreciate an honest opinion on my face. I have no problem with my body. Yes, I am short (5'1") but what can I do about that? I'm thin and in shape. It's my face I don't like because it's not very feminine and symmetrical; this is why men don't look at me. Men like oval faces with high cheekbones and large eyes. I have a heart-shaped face with medium eyes and a thin, crooked nose.
jfkjrlover 1 year ago
@jfkjrlover Stop worrying about men noticing you.
NotADood 1 year ago
wow..
very true.
foundlove09 3 years ago 2
i 100% percent agree with this. I am a fifteen year old girl and i see this with friends and girls around ,e and the boys in my grade. Our culture has encouraged girls to be nothing but objects. and valued only for their looks and sexuality, not by their brains or other attributes. it's also trained young girls to try to be cute and pretty instead of smart and successful.
Moongoddess2388 3 years ago 12
Excellent insight into the minds of young (and older) people. Thank you for your contribution of this important topic.
pjjmsn 3 years ago
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LMAOROFL
THIS IS SO STUPID!
Im like the typical teen that theyre talking about and its so wrong. its kinda sort of hilarious
you know what lady? how the hell do you know whats going through our head? your not us!
you asked teens? i can almost garuntee they lied cause thats what we do when were faced with an awkward question by an adult
burnasmiley 3 years ago
silly girl. she is a therapist. she decided to address this because of the hundreds of girls that have experienced emotional issues, eating disorders and even suicidal thoughts. She wanted to address what happens from the happy go lucky young girl to the moody and worse adolescent girl. When you mature into a young adult or a mom you should understand. Also, the facts that she gives isn't her opinion its from research. Rest assured that measure have been taken to account for lies. God Bless!
kayyceee24 3 years ago
yes. there are those girls. there are tons of girls. with tons or perspectives. im sure these people dont know they lie cause thay dont know them! she is a therapist, and took courses but courses can never really teach anyone how any one persons brain works, or anything about them really. not about there personality. you need time to do that. time which these people dont have, or use.
burnasmiley 3 years ago
She has actually counselled girls face to face and they do let her know about their problems.I actually read Mary Piphers book which has the same title as this video.
Janvierireland 3 years ago 4
Just wait, kiddo.
Once you're in your twenties you'll value this kind of mentality - once you're out in the real world. (This woman deserves credit - people in this field have been doing research long enough to set up control situations and specially-worded questions when asking questions of teens to control the "lie" factor.)
Seriously, take a women's psychology class once you're in college - it will totally open your eyes to the sexism around us.
kerry026 3 years ago 5
Say What you will.
But i know how my brin works and how alot of my riends brains work. you can read into lies, into their minds through there minds but no matter how hard you powere tripping people work you will never know, because you never saved that neverneverland in your mind that could have told you how our minds really work. your just a grown up. and i will be too.
burnasmiley 3 years ago
but i know at that point, i wont understand the youth then. i have watched people straight up lie, up down and sideways to teachers, police and parents. you cant read into us, you dont even really care. dont say you do.
maybe, just maybe if you really took the time to know us. read our expressions, our voices. youd know but until that day comes when you can think like a kid. youll just have to beleive what "ophelia" sais.
burnasmiley 3 years ago
This old lady knows what she's talking about... About how the only thing valuable in a girl anymore is her sexuality.
XxPnuemaxX 3 years ago 2
Who is this Ophelia? Is she from one of the Bard's works?
altosax1st 3 years ago
Ophelia is in Hamlet. She is encouraged to become a nun.
bbaldwin85785 3 years ago
How are you going to say a "real" woman is 5'4 and is 145 pounds... so does that make me fake? Or unrealistic?
kbuddumz 3 years ago
no, she means that on average, most american women are around that height or weight. she is saying that the girls in those magazines aren't what most american girls look like, not that those who don't look like that aren't real.
Moongoddess2388 3 years ago 3
That's the size of the "average" woman, just because you might be different naturally, doesn't mean you're any less of a person.
XxPnuemaxX 3 years ago
you obviously weren't listening. She was saying that the growing disparity between the average woman and the "model" woman's size were so distant-- it's driving more women to drastic actions in order to achieve that standard.
likecrunchyness 3 years ago 14
What I dont understand is that a girl who has sex is a slut but a girl who doesnt have sex is a prude. We cant do anything right.
elizabatz18 3 years ago 53
tell me about it. but a man who sleeps around is a sex machine
coutterhill 3 years ago
so true :(
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
so true. We can't win. Shows how far we have to go as females. We may have rights, but it'll take a long time for society's attitudes to change :(
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
What about men in American society. I see westerners treat men the same way as the treat women as male sex object. They have to be tanned wit muscles and strong chest. Most men cannot live up to this. So how would you think they feel. Having to live up to that image so they can get a girlfriend.
cortezawwris 3 years ago 3
@elizabatz18 What does prude mean?
JohnnyCindahouse 1 year ago
@JohnnyCindahouse uh last time i check i think it means-" a person who is easily shocked" Not too sure if it has a longer meaning than this...
jazziegueen 1 year ago
@jazziegueen I'll go look it up.
ironedge625 1 year ago
@elizabatz18 that's not necessarily true. not every girl who has sex means they're a slut. If they have sex with multiple guys out of want and what have you, then yes they may fall under that category. Also, if you don't have sex, it doesn't mean you're a prude...there's a such thing as beliefs that a lot of girls believe in which is why some do make the right decision and wait until they are ready.
babyliacody93 1 year ago
@babyliacody93 I wasn't saying that it was true! I was just pointing out what people in our society mistakenly believe.
elizabatz18 1 year ago
@elizabatz18 ok aha i guess i just misunderstood. :b
babyliacody93 1 year ago
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@babyliacody93 I wasn't saying it was true..just pointing out what people in our society mistakenly believe.
elizabatz18 1 year ago
This is good stuff.
amarijayamari 3 years ago 5
Harebrained-theory: Do pictures of thin people make people fat? There is an instinctive fear of starvation that makes you hungry when you see people starving. Fast food advertisements alternate with pictures of very skinny women. Dieters who picture themselves as skin-n-bones are more likely to gorge themselves in preparation for the coming lean times. It's a very old instinct. Fear of hunger makes people fatten up.
FatherChrismas 3 years ago
teenagers are driven by hormones to have sex, really, its not all the medias fault. teens have been having sex too early since forever, and they are still going to regret it forever.
zoerphl 3 years ago
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Yeah, if women can then find the unlucky man that inseminated her, she can reward her unchaste, nation destroying behavior, by child support, or a house payment!
The child should go to those that can afford them, and its not women or the State.
85% of hookers, strippers and criminals come from single mother households.
Save America, end Liberal Marxist Feminism!
Verlch 3 years ago
big chicks are fine with me but how long can the media be the main culpret?
swensu 3 years ago
"Simply put", the majority of women do aim for the top, but they also aim to have families..Most corporations don't like having women with children on their boards,but having men with children is TOTALLY acceptable.FYI I was studying IT for a long time and left not due to inability, but due to the fact that nobody seemed to be able to see past my being a girl, and assumed that meant I had to be baby-talked on everything. If you don't think discrimination exists, you're kidding yourself.
Pannadol 3 years ago 5
i wouldn't want a womans ribs poking out of her chest like monkey bars lol. a curvy woman is the sexiest woman.
matchoftheday3 3 years ago
I love your book reviving ophelia everything is so true....i just wish i could talk to u in person i need the your help
a2tham 3 years ago
This is a real issue... and it its depressing to live with someone who has this problem
nufciv 3 years ago
most guys like the thin hott chick down the street not the overweight chick most of the time are all our problems the fault of the media.
swensu 3 years ago
What you find attractive is up to you..but it's the idea of how you treat people because of that attraction. If you find only women with dark hair attractive,does that mean you should criticise women who have light hair?Or make them feel bad for being born that way? Similarly,if you know the "hot" chick and the "fat" chick and find that the fat chick is the one who makes you happy,will society support you in your decision to date her? The media says no: anything other than thin is unacceptable.
Pannadol 3 years ago 4
Wow, I can't believe that is what Mary Pipher looks like.
I always imagined her to be much different.
Now I'll have to re-read "Reviving Ophelia" knowing who is really writing it.
ChandlerrVictoria 3 years ago
We are abused by the verbal and nonverbal signals. We seek refuge in our solitude to enjoy that peace of full acceptance of ourselves. But family, and culture impose the false paradigms that divert and distract us from that sanctuary, until calamity sends us back in a mental fetal position within that sanctuary of self.
This is how we exist and move through life, hostaged to that imprisoned child within us:
Merlindiv9 3 years ago
oh my god you said it so well, it's exactly what was on my mind
uberfriponne 3 years ago
Once we allow the mutilation of our psyche by the "nurture" of our environment, we set up for the abuse and degradation of all external to us, since we have set the precedent on ourselves.
I'm not a bible thumping fundamentalist, but the verses that say the sins of one generation passing on to succeeding generation was an observation of natural laws as much as part of sectarian belief. To what extent do we degrade ourselves for the baubles, trinkets, and beads of modernity?
abagad-diablo
Merlindiv9 3 years ago
Skinny women are gross. Gimmie curves over skin and bones every single time. Skanky, slutty girls are gross too. Gimmie a smart classy woman, and I'm so turned on. Think for yourself, girls. TV and magazines just want your money.
kevnar 3 years ago 8
YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM
dangerously 3 years ago
I phrased it poorly. I apologize. What I meant was that I don't find the skin and bones look attractive at all. The media is trying to impress the idea that skinny, skanky, slutty girls are the most attractive thing there is. I strongly disagree.
Am I allowed to have that opinion, or are the thought police gonna skin me alive for intellectual rape or whatever?
kevnar 3 years ago 4
I think what they meant was that by telling woman what men want from them doesn't really help regardless of the fact that they want a girl with a little something to squeeze. Women (and men) should look beyond physical attractivness and what is considered beautiful which is the hardest part of this whole issue.
Kimiko1387 3 years ago 2
People like you contribute greatly to the public's perception of the female, seeing female equality as some sort of joke. Thank you very much for perpetuating this inane idea.
Ocelotte 3 years ago
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woman are so easy to controll means there dumb
swensu 3 years ago
Says the person who has no knowledge of grammar, homonyms, syntax or the simple sentence clause. Who really is the "dumb" one?
Ocelotte 3 years ago 4
haha that coming from someone who can't even spell.
Lisa8786 3 years ago
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Go back to the 19th century. You don't belong in this time period.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
that comment was for joekidd33
bluecello77 3 years ago
perhaps one day you'll get raped (in prison) after a woman makes a "false rape" accusation of you and you are rightfully convicted. Maybe you'll see the horror of it then.
bluecello77 3 years ago
the first thing the kids need is attentive parents. when i was an adolescent i was all rebelling and stuff and my mom actually had this book and i could relate to the stories of the young girls in it, and i was thinking "why is my mom so clueless?" cause when she'd talk to me it was like she was my enemy or something. i know now she just didnt know how to deal but all parents need to do is show constant LOVE and attention and their kids will make better decisions. their self esteem will be ok.
kathleenvh 4 years ago
My parents, both of them, were very involved, attentive, supportive, and loving and I STILL had problems with my self-esteem when I was growing up.
This happens to ALL young girls when they reach adolescence in the United States REGARDLESS of what their parents are like, how attentive they are, etc. The desire to be thin, societal pressure to be thin or you won't be accepted, loved, popular, are pervasive and all encompassing. Every girl is impacted by it.
THAT is what her book is about.
hillamanda 4 years ago 3
er yeah ok maybe their self esteem wont be 'ok' but it will be better with loving, involved parents than with parents who act like everything u do is wrong (because of how the media can cause one to act out)
kathleenvh 4 years ago
if ur a man..just STFU!!!cause u wont understand anything no matter how often u watch this video.
so all u stupid male attention whores..just go fuck urself cuz u dont know what ur talkin bout!
IcedRose 4 years ago
she says "we're letting down a whole generation of children"...don't you find that true in every one of challengingmedia's videos? think about it...
forgetyoself 4 years ago
I didn't reply to "The Wage Gap Myth" or watch the video because I was disappointed by the lack of content of the other articles. None of them supported your viewpoints any farther than the titles. I didn't feel like spending any more time on it.
SkepticOptimist 4 years ago
Continuing with "An alarming national trend: False Rape Allegations"
Odd, in the "Findings" its stated that "The 9-year period suggests no trends, and no explanation has been made for the year-to-year fluctuation."
So two questions
1)What was the point in listing this study?
2) Does this somehow make you feel that the rape of the 59% who made accusations that weren't found false, is insignificant?
SkepticOptimist 4 years ago
As for "Forget hard work - women would rather flirt their way to the top"
Did you watch this video? Of course women are going to use sexuality to advance themselves anyway they can. When you're bludgeoned over the head again and again with the idea that one of your key assets is your sexuality, why wouldn't you take advantage of it. Funny how none of the blame lies with the men on this one for allowing women to use thier sexuality as a method of advancement.
SkepticOptimist 4 years ago 8
"Female U.S. corporate directors out-earn men: study"
Quote: "This makes being a director one of the FEW JOBS in the U.S. economy where the pay differential is reversed,"
very convincing, especially when they go on to explain that "women in corporate boardrooms are outnumbered eight to one."
8 to 1 doesn't seem very equal to me.
SkepticOptimist 4 years ago
Wow joe, I'll admit men have a bit to overcome. But to say we have it worse than women... wow...
Its such a childish argument. Really, try pulling your head out of your ass and find out what the other side is really dealing with.
SkepticOptimist 4 years ago 7
Joekidd just doesn'y understand us powerfull women and is obviously intimidated. If only he could understand by cutting off his dirty, DIRTY pe(vil)nis. I am 5'4 and 145 pounds and got rejected from playboy!? If a bunch of MEN with their DIRTY penis's didnt run the company i could have made it. tell me that not being able to appear in playboy isn't a reason for adolescent girls to want to commit suicide!>:o. What kind of self respecting woman has sex with men anyways?! look at joekidd33!!
xxxdrainy0uxxx 4 years ago
Oh, I see. Because clearly, in a society where women suffer far greater rates of depression, eating disorders, rape, domestic abuse than men, and where the wage gap still very much exists, women are TOTALLY doing better than men. Totally.
Gotcha, chief.
marabean 4 years ago 10
Yes, I have seen Playboy magazines. And I have seen how "normal" women look. And there is a huge disparity between the two. THAT'S THE POINT.
The study is titled "Gender differences in population versus media body sizes: a comparison over four decades".
Feminists like DO study how masculinity affects men, like in the study above. But how is that even their responsibility? If men are concerned with how they are represented in mass media, why don't THEY study it? Why shift the burden to women?
marabean 4 years ago
According to a 1999 study in the peer-reviewed journal "Sex Roles" (vol 40, iss 7-8), researchers found that nearly all Playboy centerfolds were classified as having a BMI in the clinically underweight range. So it would seem your "stick" comment is a wee bit off.
marabean 4 years ago
"Protecting women" from a misogynist society is an inherently reactionary strategy. As such, it's ridiculously inefficient. I would think that the better solution would be to eliminate the misogyny in the first place.. which is what the feminist movement has always aimed to do.
And I don't see any "crying". I see well-reasoned arguments from concerned people. I would think that at the ripe old age of 28, you'd be able to tell the difference.
marabean 4 years ago 8
Oh, the irony.
none12121 4 years ago
"Men are not the enemy, but the fellow victims. The real enemy is women's denigration of themselves."
-Betty Friedan
jdimarco1229 4 years ago
joekidd, you see there's a serious problem that this woman is just trying to suggest, yeah women started the sexual revolution but because they felt opressed by men and society's values. This problem seems to have gotten worse and you're blaming people you didn't know on what they did in the past, and because of that you don't care about how our girls are affected in america?
crshanburn 4 years ago 3
LOL
fartknocker172 4 years ago
Why is it when a video is focused on problems directed at WOMEN which effect them vastly more then men someone cries out "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ??!" this is not your problem , this barely affects you , look through the feamle lens for a DAY and see the pressure that surrounds us all the time.
Katooni 4 years ago 12
Haha. I totally agree with you. People like to deflect problems by turning the focus to something else, thus it sends everyone off on a tangent, and the original problem is completely ignored. However, I must say that it is a woman's problem, as well as a man's. It's the job of society as a whole to re-evaluate it's view of women, what they are expected to be, etc. If only half of the population is willing to do this, nothing will ever change.
LisaSnarky 4 years ago 8
It happens really often on ANY disscusion about injustice done to women, anything I mean ANYTHING , complain about sexual harassment "menz get harassed too!" complain about rape rates "OMG what about the menz!! 5 %are affected!!! and it's mostly done by other men anyway! wait......" complain about how women are sold and bought everyday "OMG I stubbed my toe! Pay attention to da menz!!!" it gets old REALLY quick
Katooni 4 years ago 7
poor women. I feel sorry for you. Thank God the women in africa dont give a shit about this nonsense! Viva the Revolution!
kindu2006 4 years ago
saddly, the same aint true in eastern europe. I see women and girls reading Cosmo everywhere. Its ruining the proper ideals. I think people should think more on the ideals of the 1920s.
ivanofna 4 years ago
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This old lady is telling us what men think and why they think it. Because she has a mind of man. Uh, ok. Just like what Dave Chappelle said, "And women are reading these articles, '50 Ways to satisfy your man', written BY A WOMAN"
ZYVZX 4 years ago
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look at other countries, they don't have that fat
asses Americans have. It's our stupid diets and McDonalds etc. Asian countries don't have 1/2 the
fat lards we have in America. Change our diets.
Most Asian girls are normal weights.
ZYVZX 4 years ago
So are most girls in Eastern Europe. The sad thing is that the clothes they wear make them look wobbly, with their fat pouring over their belt, because the belt is in an unnatural height.
ivanofna 4 years ago
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Can you imagine if men protested in the streets about
the use of large penis porno men? Saying it was discrimanatory and damaging to their egos? Reality
check - millions are out there dying of cancer, Aids , wars, famine, etc. Fat american girls can live with seeing hot models on TV. I bet they'll survive.
ZYVZX 4 years ago
I realized how brainwashed I am when I watch this video. I know how screwed up the media is, I know how that the pictures are airbrushed and adjusted, but I still cant help thinking that I need to lose weight...to be more like this fake image of perfection
amaliavera 4 years ago 2
thank Allah swt i'm muslim now. dont have to worry about such small things in life that dont matter. women of the world take back you power and be beautiful from within! BE SMART!BE LOVING!BE FUNNY! DONT BE MEAT FOR MEN!
blackamericangirl 4 years ago
Very sad.
violaplayer1987 4 years ago
yes very sad . but this women is so right on its so true
kitcatnos2000 4 years ago
wow this really helps my assignment thanks for posting!
hendrick88 4 years ago
i had an eating disorder from the time i was a teen thru my 20's. i did irriversible damage to my health. now i think i am fat, but everyone tells me i am normal. i guess i did irreversible damage to self image too.
robinkitty 4 years ago
Mary Pipher does great work. Her book should be read by every young woman - and MAN~
theladypiper 4 years ago 2
The models up there aren't REAL. You can't live up to a FALSE impression of beauty. I'm a guy so believe me when I say that you do NOT have to be a bony model to get my attention. I prefer reality, flaws, blemishes, the way a woman's body REALLY IS. You can be overweight and still be very attractive. TRUST ME, your inner confidence and character will always shine through if you get RID of this assumption that only your boobs, thinness and butt matter.
hardh1ttas 4 years ago
, cause they want to look like them, even the old mam who is talking used to want, and its normal!! the real thing its how? you have to understand that to be fat, is equal to be sick, but to be skiny too...
madrian36 5 years ago
girls want men to be like the movie ones, but the fact its that there are more important things, and there is a personal road you need to walk to see it, it does not matter how hard you trie to tell someone that this is not the most important thing in the world...