Mabey you just need to study for a job in renewable energy?
I firmly believe nowadays that this whole financial mess we are in is mostly about our energy, or better said the price of our energy.
That's why our politicians have only talked total rubbish for the last 3 years cause they don't have a solution.
This mess isnt just about some greedy financial terrorists who crashed the economy, the problem is much deeper then that, and if youve seen this doc you know what i mean.
Typical Godless liberal fear-mongering scarcity propaganda.
When God created the Earth He made certain that Man would have enough energy to last until The Rapture. Harold Camping had the date all wrong but the principle is sound.
Did you know that the root of the word SCIENCE is SÉANCE, meaning it's a black art and can't be trusted? Now you do!
@acavideo The steady-state system is a myth, at least as it applies to our society today. No matter what we do, our society will collapse, period. The only truly sustainable societies are tribal, hunter-gatherer. Even farming societies eventually collapse for the simple reason that they always lead to a cycle of population growth which will continue exponentially until it busts.
@begoneyoubum If you watch the film they will talk about how the countries lie about the actual number of barrels they produce. I really can't explain the whole thing but we talked about it in my AP history.
The solution to Peak Oil is to drill more often, drill everywhere. The faster we deplete this resource, the better off we will be.
Lets open up the east coast to more drilling. There are now 510,000 oil wells in the USA producing an average of only 11 barrels a day each. With 1,600,000 wells producing at that rate, the USA will be self sufficient for oil for at least the next 5 years.
@begoneyoubum Global oil production have already peaked. The consequence is that oil prices grow when the economy grow. The oil price peak in 2008 made the world economy stop. We call it the finance crisis. Oil is on the run to 100$ pr barrel again. The next crunch will be triggered by state finances in the Euro zone.
But what I am getting at is...when will the population really get the drift of when it is really setting in? What are going to be the signs to watch for before it really blows wide open? I always said to watch the airline industry because they use so much fuel.
@begoneyoubum The crunch will not be an end to oil production. The crunch will be the spiking of oil prices. When people really get it in their heads that SUVs are giant lawn sculptures then we'll see some fireworks. What we've seen so far is nothing. Learn how to garden, by the by. Petroleum agriculture is going to go away as well. That's the big problem as far as I can see. Forget the cars. People will be killing each other for food.
Just a minor point, the video shows a rocket/space shuttle taking off and those don't burn petroleum at all, the burn hydrazine among other things ;-)
@moniequa: you can't count. How many nations have already peaked? What is their annual decline? How many nations are still raising their production? When do THEIR agencies predict they will peak? Once the last few 'swing producers' cannot increase their production to offset the annual decline rate from the majority of nations that HAVE already peaked, what happens?
Answer this: when was the last time we *found* more oil than we produce?
You just keep telling yourself that funny girl. Click your heals together 3 times and repeat "There's no worries with oil, there's no worries with oil!" Make sure they are ruby slippers, or it might not work. ;-)
The rest of us have looked at the HISTORY of how 15 of the top 30 oil producing nations HAVE ALREADY peaked, and know roughly that it occurred in 2008. We'll never produce as much oil again. Ever less oil means higher prices. Seen the price lately? Over $80 still!
If anyone that respects science is reading this and wants to get a feel for the range of opinion out there on the GEOLOGY of when oil will peak, go to wikipedia and copy and paste this in there.
'Predicting the timing of peak oil'
Then click on 'Peak oil for individual nations' to get a brief survey of all the nations that HAVE ALREADY PEAKED! That means they are now permanently in decline, and the rest of the world has to accelerate production each year to compensate.
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah oil peak occurred in 2008 and then price decreased drastically after that, so i guess what you're trying to say is oil peak and then stop peaking afterward. LOL. what a fool!
That's right, because no one can think about 2 subjects at once! ;-) We all have to blindly follow price. We can't anticipate tomorrow's price due to scarcity. The deranged way you talk it is as if scarcity has never driven up the price before! What a laugh. One Arab embargo of oil in the 70's and the price sky-rocketed! This will be a 'geological embargo' — it's a law of geological science — demonstrated by the 54/65 countries that have *already* peaked. You just don't *think.*
@EclipseNowBlog Tell me why should anyone worry about oil peak or oil scarcity when oil goes up only to come down again? If oil was peaked in 2008, it means oil supply has leveled of since then. The demand continues to increase due to population and economic growth in other parts of the world so the price has to increase but in this case the price declines. There is no such thing as oil peak, so stop it already.
1. Geology determines supply. (Otherwise, why isn't Australia pumping like Saudi Arabia, and why did America peak in 1970 and now imports $600 billion a year?)
PRICE spiked due to demand catching supply and some speculators. Then the GFC killed some demand, which is well documented. Demand crashed, and so the price crashed. But not back to $40 a barrel!
Demand is now rising in India and China, while geology of peak oil is about to see supply declne.
You have said nothing to disprove the GEOLOGY and only focus on price, which is like trying to determine PRICE without *supply* AND demand.
3. And you're ignoring the fact that the price IS rising. The new 'normal' is above $80 a barrel. But even this is too low, as it ignores the scientific fact that oil was humanity's free lunch that allowed the modern world. The price does not reflect this, and it should! Oil is so *important* we will go into a BIDDING WAR once annual moves permanently into decline.
Then you'll see $200 a barrel oil, rationing, maybe even war. No wonder you prefer denial of the geological FACTS.
@EclipseNowBlog, I'm not in denial, you said oil was peaking since 2008 and I'm asking you why oil price doesn't reflect that? Why oil price doesn't increase steadily since 2008, why did it decrease so drastically? Oil doesn't behave like a rare commodity to me so I'm going to conclude that oil is not peaking....period! Stop stirring shit, if we run out of oil, which we won't, we'll use something else.
Wait a minute sunshine, do you agree supply and demand dictate price, and that geology dictates supply?
Now to answer your question on the price 'only' being $80 a barrel: production has remained 'flat' from the 5 year perspective. We are on top of humanity's oil peak. Soon we'll start to roll over to the other side, and see oil actually DECLINE. Basic geology 101 tells us this.
Nothing can replace oil as a liquid fuel in the time-frames we need. Nothing.
@EclipseNowBlog, wait a minute sunset, I agree supply and demand dictate price but so far the price has been decreasing as oil is peaking. So that only means one thing, oil is not peaking or supply of oil is exceed the demand. We won't roll over anything, geologists never claim that oil is peaking if they do they're wrong. If we want to we can have liquid coal and gas, and fuel cell. I'm not going to worry about oil, if ever run out we can harvest energy from the sun!!!!!
"We won't roll over anything, geologists never claim that oil is peaking if they do they're wrong." What would you know about it? Been speaking to any petroleum exploration experts latey? You're sounding more ignorant the more you write.
As for liquid coal etc, ever Googled "The Hirsch Report"? American DOE expert says coal-to-liquids would take 20 years, and, I'm sorry to say, world peak coal is not too far away either. This is not about your *opinion* but the facts of hard science.
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah I'm ignorant because I'm not a dumb conformist who believes whatever people. Peak coal? It takes 20 yrs to convert to liquefy coal? You only confirm my opinion that you're a sheep. Just because you read some pseudoscience research it doesn't mean that everything is true. My opinion is base on fact, supply, demand and price. You can't tell me that oil is scarce when it is cheaper than coffee.
I didn't tell you it was scarce, did I Mr Ruby Slippers? I told you that it was at the PEAK of production, producing the MOST it ever would, didn't I?
I also told you that the arc of decline was about to kick in. According to the Pentagon and US Joint Forces Command, the world could be down 10 million barrels a day by 2015. That's not far away! So click those ruby slippers of yours together because this isn't Kansas any more Toto! It's not Texas tea either. It's peak oil.
PS: PS: Go to wikipedia and look up 'Hirsch report'. 20 years for the world to scale up coal-to-liquids in normal market mechanisms, 10 years in a big government program.
The geology of peak oil and coal is from Phd experts and oil old boys with a lifetime in the field. Try ASPO dot com.
It is the USGS and IEA that now have no credibility.
@EclipseNowBlog It is plane and simple, if something is gone it should be gone not all over the place. I'll believe you when it is gone until then I'm not gonna believe it! Nope!
We’re now burning oil 5 times faster than we find it.
We’re using up oil our grandparents found.
Measuring this kind of thing for America only, Hubbert predicted American peak oil 14 years before it happened. The trends in American oil were very similar to the trends in world oil we see now. 15 of top 30 oil nations have peaked. Others must pump faster just to maintain today’s levels.
The last time we found as much oil as we burn in a given year was 1982. Since then the trend has only been downhill. Originally we were burning a bit more than we found... then twice as much as we found... now it's about 4 or 5 times as much as we find.
We're running out of those old stocks. Sorry old chum, but the science is in. Peak oil is now documented by the American MILITARY as a real and present danger, whether YOU happen to believe it or not, peak oil is a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah they sang that oil peak song since 1950 and all we got is a bunch of price hikes and then only to fall down after someone is trying to implement alternative fuel programs. I think you should stop already, you're not gonna convince me that we run out of anything, especially oil. If you want to pay more for your gas please do but don't be spreading crap that is not true.
You have sacrificed that unique human ability to survey our surroundings and plan ahead. Unlike the animals, we can count and measure and plan and prepare for various disasters. But you want to react ONLY when you actually see the price of oil triple and the rationing begin. Oh well. That's your choice.
For anyone else, the science is all out there. The figures don't lie, even if Moniequa does.
@EclipseNowBlog Oh please give me a break, preparing and planning for a fake oil peak is just plane stupid. The sun will burn out in a few trillion years why don't you prepare for that? The ocean will dry out too why don't you prepare that? Science my ass, they couldn't even tell when the oil is gonna run out and most believe that oil is infinite resource. What a gullible fool!
@EclipseNowBlog, because we don't want to and why would we when we have plenty of people like you ignorantly screaming oil peak and supporting artificial price increase. It's fact, you don't have to be a scientist or researcher to know it.
Because we don't WANT to find the most lucrative and useful energy source humanity has ever stumbled across!? Do you know how many 10's of billions go into exploration? You do know it costs $250 thousand dollars per day to operate a deep-sea rig? And you think we DON'T WANT TO find more oil?
Hint: Oil technology and exploration is 2nd only to the military for having the best kit and most money to do what they do!
Do you think the USA would waste $600 billion dollars a year — soon to be a TRILLION dollars a year when oil doubles — importing overseas oil if there was any way not to?
ANWR might have a bit, and would max out at about 1.5 million barrels a day. But after peak we’ll be losing anywhere from 4% to 8% per year of 86mbd. That’s 3.44 mbd to 6.8 mbd loss EACH YEAR!
"Don't want to" indeed! American history and the history of oil are both against you.
@EclipseNowBlog, Wasting money is our specialty. In fact we are the capital of money wasting in the world. We import everything, including oil. Don't you think we can't produce our baskets, we can, but that doesn't prevent us from importing them. I found all kind of oil in Montana and N. Dakota. I mean a lot a lot!!!!!!! But we'll import more oil.
Oh, you'll import more oil will you? From which nation? From where? Oh, that's right, you don't do SPECIFICS like counting how much oil is documented to be in certain reserves, or even keeping track of which of the top 30 oil nations have already peaked and are in SIGNIFICANT decline!
Sorry dude, but the oil is just not that abundant.
I ACTUALLY *WISH* YOU WERE RIGHT, but *KNOW* you are just another sad American in denial of the realities ahead.
I'm all for New Urbanism and ecocities and gardening and biofarming, BUT this film is wrong. We're moving from an era of fossil fuels to an era of advanced GenIV nuclear reactors that eat nuclear waste! We could run the WORLD for 500 years just on the waste we have already accumulated!
Google "Brave New Climate" for Professor Barry Brook on the Integral Fast Reactor.
this is all fear mongering the government is at least 25 years ahead of us technology wise and i guarantee all of you they already have a complete replacement for fossil fuels
Plasma arc waste processors turn all of our municipal waste into syngas and slag. The slag can get used as a variety of construction materials, including a fibreglass replacement. The Syngas can be used as a chemical feedstock to create everything from toothbrushes to jet fuel. We are talking about old Pizza boxes and dirty diapers becoming toothbrushes! Google "Prescription for the Planet" and buy it!
I don't think the government has really thought about this much at all, from the politicians I've met. However, there ARE better technologies and better city designs we can move to from here on in. GenIV nukes eat waste and could run the world for 500 years on the nuclear waste we already have, plasma burners can turn landfill waste into fuel and building materials, and electric cars with fast-charge and battery swaps can do the job! We'll make it, but after a Great Depression!
@moniequa "Since we run out of oil, we don't need to clean up BP's spill because we'll just let it run out on its own. Hahahahahah " go tell that to the people living there... and then go visit a very good surgeon because your face will need reconstruction....
@hockingconnor, we'll use clean energy when oil is gone but at this rate it will be another 500 years. Oil is everywhere and its dirt cheap that is why its not economically viable to use other energy sources.
the oil WILL run out. and then there will be enough food produced for 7 billion with low energy farming. more like a billion. hence die off on a unprecedented scale. boom time for vultures (if theres any left by then what with our habitat stealing).
we were warned 40 years ago of earths true human holding capacity, but we just li listened to oil money and chasing dreams. now its time to pay the price. and alt energy wont save us. thats MASSIVELY oil dependent too lol
@EmperorMarcusNovius, yes we are running out of cheap oil that is why crude oil is at $60 a barrel today. At the rate its going we probably oil will be $35 a barrel by next year.
@williamkendrick, you're a fucking idiot, we're not running out of oil, in fact today oil went down $2. So what the fuck do you say to that? When shit is scarce price should go up not down. In this case the fucking price is down so if you have any fucking brain you would know that we're not running out or peaking anything. Stupid asshole!
@williamkendrick, blah blah blah blah, shut the fuck up already, you're an idiot, yeah I'm blocked alright, why in the fuck am I still talking, what a stupid asshole.
@moniequa lol, thats all you got? you're really a fail MST, aren't ya? you ARE blocked, but this isn't my inbox, now is it idiot? the only asshole here is you faggot. kiss my ass bitch, no one cares what you think. i'll talk shit until you go shoot yourself MST.
@williamkendrick, No one cares? Apparently you do, because you don't seem to have enough of me. You responded to my every comment even the one that is not directed to you. I hate to repeat myself but you're a worthless pencil dick.
@williamkendrick, I just bought an extra big hummer so I can use more gas. I used to walk but now I drive everywhere even going to my mail box. I love it, I turn my AC full blast all the time, i go for four wheel drive too, its not that I like the doors its because i like to waste gas. The best way to make your car consume more gas is by increase the size of your tires, the bigger the better.
@moniequa: You're being a bit arrogant and dismissive of the peer-reviewed, verifiable SCIENCE of peak oil geology 101. So while I disagree with the defeatism of this movie, especially the Matt Savinar contributions in the actual show, I also don't think outright self-delusional denial helps either. Have fun trying to fill your hummer when the rationing starts! Good luck with that!
@moniequa : OK, but don't say you weren't warned. You know that we have to find oil before we burn it right? You know that the last time we discovered as much oil as we burn was way back in 1982? You know that tar sands can only scale up so far before it too peaks due to lack of water and energy to drive it? Even the Corporations producing tar sands talk about very small production levels by 2015 and 2020 compared to the estimated global decline by then.
@EclipseNowBlog thank you for your warning but oil doesn't behave like a infinite resource. According to law of supply and demand of economics, if the demand increases and supply decreases then the price must be increase but instead we have price decrease, not only a little bit but a huge decrease. I dont care what oil cos. say about oil supply. Oil is going to be cheap for along time, if its not, alternative fuel will take its place.
Your economics seems a bit confused there. Of COURSE oil is not an 'infinite supply', I never said it was. If the demand increases and the supply decreases then the price will go through the absolute roof! The reason we had oil super-spike in price to $150 a few years ago was a bit of speculation, but basically oil production didn't rise fast enough. Imagine what will happen when it not only peaks, but begins to decline?
There's no alternative LIQUID fuel that can scale in time.
@EclipseNowBlog, I meant oil didn't behave like a finite resource because its price doesn't increase steadily as the supply is dwindling and the demand is increasing. If you look at oil prices for the past 40 years, if you factor inflation in, it basically has stayed the same. Does that sound like something is scarce? No!
If want too, there are liquid fuels, ie liquid gas and coal, also if we want to get away from oil, we can use fuel cell.
Sorry Moniequa but your 'history of oil' lacks the fact that world oil HASN'T peaked yet. The RESOURCE is dwindling... half what it was, but DAILY PRODUCTION has never been this high. Once DAILY PRODUCTION declines, it won't just cost more, but the RATIONING will begin.
And fuel cells require hydrogen. Where does that come from?
@EclipseNowBlog, Ok then if oil is peaking and price will go through the roof then why don't you invest in oil now. It makes perfect sense, we can't live without oil and oil is the only thing that fuels our world economy, you should invest in this precious commodity and make millions. In fact, those who believe in oil peak should invest their life savings in oil.
@moniequa: Except that oil could be nationalised. This was covered in a French docu-drama on peak oil. A big hummer driving oil trader bankrupted his stockmarket trading company by doing this, as the oil price was frozen and remaining reserves nationalised. You're thinking too small, like business as usual and the normal rules applying. Don't think of this as supply and demand but as an INTERNATIONAL CRISIS, like a war. How do governments respond in a war? Command economies. Anything goes.
@EclipseNowBlog, you're right, just like war, oil peak is a man made crisis. oil will fluctuate for along time, the price will increase when no one looks for alternative fuels but crashes when alternative fuel is implemented. You have seen this for many years now and you'll continue to see this pattern for decades to come.
@moniequa: There simply IS NO alternative liquid fuel that can be scaled up quickly enough. Sorry, but that's an opinion derived from years of reading through energy reports. There are alternative energy systems and transport systems, but they are based on electricity. Ethanol, biodisel, hydrogen Nope. Too expensive, too little, far too late.
Trolley buses can be implemented faster than society can switch to electric cars, and has better town planning effects as well.
@EclipseNowBlog, There is alternative fuel if we want to create it, but oil is too cheap and too abundant to develop its replacement. We have natural gas and coal that can be converted into liquid fuel that will last us centuries to come but now its not the time. You need to stop reading those energy reports they're manipulating you into investing your money in something that is not running out.
@moniequa: with respect, it sounds like you need to read the wiki's on peak oil, peak gas, and yes, even peak coal. Coal-to-liquids programs would just hasten peak coal with the same effects. The University of Newcastle has projected peak coal to be anywhere from now to 2048... so that discussion is just starting. But recommending using MORE of it in an age of global warming is not just absurd, it's dangerous.
@EclipseNowBlog, Global warming, peak oil, coal and gas, you sound like a true conformist. Believing everything blindly is not only financially detrimental to you but to the entire society. A few years ago we ran out of land and homes and thanks to people like you we got a giant real estate bubble that is destroy our economy. Like I said, conformists are not only dangerous to themselves but to everyone else as well.
@moniequa : Yeah, nice, you really read that Federal Senate report on alternative liquid fuels didn't you! ;-) Not bothering to be scientifically informed, you float out financial accusations you know nothing about!
Many of my peak oil buddies tried to WARN society about the housing crash, so don't conflate 2 completely unrelated subjects! Google "A perfect storm approaches America" for OSO's 2005 prediction.
The only 'conforming' I do is to the laws of thermodynamics. You should try it.
@moniequa: The laws of thermodynamics (physics and energy and mechanics) have EVERYTHING to do with peak oil. After the 'half way' point of an oil field's life the laws of nature take over and you just can't pump the stuff fast enough. It's like sucking a slushy. At first the juice flows fast, but it quickly reduces to sucking juice from between the bits of ice and the rate of juice slows down. Same with peak oil.
You're delusional about tar sands. QUANTITY does not equal SPEED of extraction.
@moniequa: Indeed, the tar sands may as well be on the moon for all the good it will do you. No wonder your American economy is about to tank! You think it's bad so far? Ha!
The only reason you keep rabbiting on about 'the economy' is because you don't want to accept the laws of physics. You're blurting ideological nonsense about the economy without having a clue how BASIC peak oil geology is. It's like geology 101. It's HISTORY in a majority of oil producing nations. Grow up!
@EclipseNowBlog, Tar sands will last us forever. Your economy is not any better either at least most of us Americans get to spend our money before the economy is tanking. You folks live below poverty level and your economy is still crumbling. Crying oil peak and paying $8 a gallon doesn't help anyone but oil companies. You need to grow up!
Even if that were true*, we can’t go there as it has 2 times the Co2 per barrel of normal oil.
So you obviously haven’t bothered with climate science either? Or is that just *another* conspiracy out to distract citizens from the wonders of the all-hallowed “marketplace” at which you worship?
* It’ isn’t true. Tar sands are only about double conventional oil in RESOURCE, but how much of that is technically and economically possible to extract as RESERVES is another matter yet to be demonstrated. So we’ve already hit peak oil in conventional oil, how long before we hit peak tar-sands? Oil use grows about 2% per year. That means we’ll need 4 times as much in 70 years! It will peak out long before then.
@EclipseNowBlog, Seriously, you need to wise up a little. You can't believe everything. If oil usage increases 2% a year, and oil is peaking, than we should experience price increase every year. but oil price doesn't increase steadily it fluctuates all over the place, sometime it drops 70%. When oil behaves like a finite resource than come back to me until then I think oil peak is a bunch of bull just like global warming.
@moniequa: You're embarrassing yourself. A few countries that have peaked: America, Russia, Australia, Iran, all of Europe, etc. We KNOW how peak oil happens because it has happened in 54 out of 65 of the top oil producing nations. To deny this is not only to deny oil geology 101, but also to deny history. When Saudi Arabia peaks, that means the WORLD has peaked.
So when oil hits $30 a barrel for about 5 years in a row, then you can be snide. But $80 is right on track. GROW UP!
@EclipseNowBlog You're the one who's embarrasing yourself. If 54 out of 65 oil producing countries are gone it means 83% of oil is gone yet the price manages to stay the same and sometime it even decreases. I guess what you're trying to tell me is that oil peak is inversely corrected to oil price. You're don't understand the basic laws of supply and demand. Come back to me when you understand it correctly.
@moniequa : See, you don't even understand the terms of the debate! Did I say "Gone"? No! I said they have peaked. They are on the downslope. They are producing less and less oil. Come back to ME when YOU even know the basic terms of this discussion you THINK you are having! Come back to me when you THINK you have a 'proof' that 54 nations haven't already peaked. Even Exxon admit this! What are you, 13? Saudi have offset this decline so far, but soon even they will peak. That's WORLD peak oil.
@moniequa: Seriously, go spend a day at peak oil dot net and read the "About peak oil" page, or try wikipedia on peak oil. You need to learn the basic terms of the debate before you embarrass yourself any further.
EG: America peaked in 1970, but are still pumping oil. Only about half what they did 40 years ago, but still pumping! We are talking not about reserves but about less oil being produced on a daily basis. We can count how many fields and countries have peaked, and map their decline.
@EclipseNowBlog yeah yeah I know peak oil production is when rate of production is equal or less than the rate of usage. So the question is still the same, if we can't produce fast enough oil why in the hell the price is still low? Answer that and stop telling me about oil peak. I know that concept already it has been around since the 50's.
@moniequa: D'uh! Because world oil hasn't peaked yet. The majority of oil producing nations HAVE already peaked, but a few HUGE oil producers are currently offsetting the decline. For now.
Experts like the UK's Chris Skrebowski explain that as they count ALL the new large oil projects coming online over the next decade, and subtract the known depletion rates from existing nations that have already peaked, they can see a problem after 2010. Oil is $80 a barrel now because we are near peak.
@moniequa: How about you explain why oil hasn't gone back to 20 or $30 a barrel? Why are we stuck at $80? ;-)
I'll tell you why it DROPPED from $150 to $80... the GFC. Recession causes a drop in demand. So the price has dropped. For now.
This is also why oil will rise and fall and rise and fall after peak oil. Price rises cause economic crashes causes cheaper oil causes price rises again. But eventually the laws of physics must be obeyed. One day there'll be rationing.
@EclipseNowBlog, oil can't be $20 or $30 because 1) it can't be cheaper than dirt and 2) inflation. We're not stuck at $80 we went as low as $55. Recession and low demand should only slow down the price increase not decreas it. According to you, 54 of out of 65 oil producing countries are already peaked out so we don't have enough to go around, so the price should go up up up and up. Physics has nothing to do with this and you're not a scientist, so put a cork in it already.
@moniequa: Physics has everything to do with it because it is the laws of physics that dictate how the oil flows through the rocks, and how it gets to us, and why 54 out of 65 oil nations HAVE peaked. (You poor deluded dear, you think $80 a barrel disproves this HISTORICAL FACT!?)
The last 11 nations that haven't peaked yet have been compensating for the majority that have. For now. Once again: oil is not equally distributed to every nation on earth. Some produce more than others.
I'd love you to disprove that 54 oil nations have peaked. This is just a fact! You don't have to be a scientist for that: you just have to be able to READ!
Not only this, but try the ABC's Catalyst "Real Oil Crisis" episode.
"The last year we discovered more oil than we consumed was 1981.
We use 2 barrels of oil for every barrel discovered."
In other words we're burning it twice as fast as we're finding it. Find this (after deleting space) at
@moniequa: What did I tell you the last few times? It hasn't reached GLOBAL peak oil yet. Many nations have peaked, but the few that haven't have been increasing their supply to maximum. They are about to max out.
We're using it faster so the average annual price has doubled. I agree that it is still ridiculously cheap for the finite product that it actually is. America should double or triple the price through tax, like Europe. Then you'd have more efficient cars, and more tax for rail.
@moniequa: I've answered your questions repeatedly but you haven't answered mine. How much oil have we found? How fast are we using it? How fast are we discovering it? Can you disprove the ABC's Catalyst quote I gave you? What about the 54 / 65 nations that have already peaked?
@EclipseNowBlog, I've told you a million times that we found trillions of barrels in Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Green Field Colorado, and infinite amount in Alberta. Go read it yourself. You still haven't prove anything, you can scream about oil peak until the kingdom come, I still I won't believe it. Until the God Damn oil behaves like a finite resource, you don't have a thing. The only thing you have is HOT AIR!
@moniequa: So you won't believe it until you see $300 a barrel oil? That's the way the majority of the SHEEP PEOPLE like yourself think. Don't listen to any science you don't like. Stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la like a 3 year old.
The tar sands may as well be on the moon because even the DEVELOPERS admit that optimistic scenarios will be 3mbd by 2015. The world could be LOSING 2 or 3mbd *each year* after the peak in 2012. Do the math. The world economy will bust.
@moniequa: The thing that frustrates me is so many politicians behave as idiotically as you do. We have the technology to beat this, but it won't be deployed until it's too late and we see $200 oil and bankrupt airlines. It's not the end of the world, but it is going to be a LOT nastier because the majority of people feel too threatened to admit energy projects take decades to build out in scale. Denial will bankrupt the world. Hang on tight, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
@EclipseNowBlog, it frustrates me to no end that conformists are stupidly blathering about oil peak. They don't know that economically it is impossible to switch to alternative fuel because consumers will automatically choose inexpensive oil over the other shit. And oil companies know it, that's why they haven't invest in other energy.
@moniequa: Yep, 'conforming' to the laws of physics is certainly frustrating and boring, but one day you'll realise that we have to do it.
Oil is a finite resource.
We've used the good, easy, cheap half of the conventional oil.
The expensive stuff that is left such as tar sands and non-conventional deep seawater oil CANNOT be sucked out of the ground at the same HUGE rate to offset the decline of tired old fields. You'll probably see this bite around 2012-2015.
@moniequa You said: "They don't know that economically it is impossible to switch to alternative fuel because consumers will automatically choose inexpensive oil over the other shit."
You're sounding so ignorant of real world realities that I wonder if you need to go back to school?
Electricity in Electric cars costs HALF the price of oil on a per km travelled basis. Go figure.
@moniequa : Diddums. You'll believe the experts I read when the rationing starts and you can't fill your 'precious' hummer. You have confirmed yourself as a science-hating, irrational, ideologically driven internet troll who can't bear bad news. Denial is an ugly thing. When the Great Depression starts and you're there crying "Why, why, why?" as America is bankrupted, remember your mate Eclipse Now tried to warn you and pointed you to the science but you just didn't want to make time to *read*.
@EclipseNowBlog, I don't hate science, I hate idiots who pretend to be scientists. Some Americans are bankrupt because they are sheep, they got manipulated into buying homes they couldn't afford, like you with oil, they were told that homes and land were scarce and everybody had to buy one. Now homes are everywhere, like oil its gone now but the minute we have alternative fuel, oil will be everywhere. So put a cork in it already, I don't believe oil peak.
@moniequa: That's right, because real estate investment and the science of oil geology are the same thing. No really! ;-)
You not only ignore the science of peak oil, you ignore the DEMONSTRABLE HISTORY of peak oil. It HAS already happened in a majority of oil producing nations. FACT! None of your silly name calling and rudeness has disproved this.
We're just counting the nations off, waiting for the combined effects to bring on GLOBAL peak oil. So rant away about real estate, I don't care.
@moniequa: (yawns at the pointlessness of pointing out a 5th, or is that 6th time...)
GLOBAL OIL HASN'T PEAKED YET! D'uh!
But according to dozens and dozens of peer reviewed, verifiable, corporate, geological, and governments sources: the MAJORITY OF OIL PRODUCING NATIONS HAVE PEAKED!
They are going down. The few super-giants left are still going up... for a bit.
They do this thing called MATHS and work out how long till GLOBAL peak.
@moniequa: It's like when you're down to your last loaf of bread, last bottle of milk, and last slice of ham. You DO THE MATH and go shopping for more food.
We've drilled all the most productive, potentially viable sites on the planet for free-flowing cheap oil. Discovery of this GOOD oil peaked 40 years ago.
So converting it back to the cupboard analogy, we've still got a pretty full larder, but the local supermarket's are gone. Soon the rationing begins.
@EclipseNowBlog, Using your analogy, if the supermarkets' shelves are empty why is there so much food and it is very cheap. Like I said many times before you can scream oil peak all you want, if oil doesn't behave like it is peaking, I will not believe. Oh by the way air is peaking also.
1. The world is probably at peak oil now, but the terminal decline has not set in yet.
2. The GFC reduced demand for oil from $130 a barrel down to $80
3. If you're so confident oil is so abundant, your real problem is why is oil stuck at $80 not $20?
4. But none of this *autistic* focus on PRICE ALONE really matters, because it ignores the GEOLOGY. If you're too stupid to bother looking into peak oil, then you only have yourself to blame when you can't fill your hummer.
@EclipseNowBlog, you're suffering from Alzheimer. I told you a million times that oil could not be $20 that would make it cheaper than dirty, even at 80 it is still cheaper than shit. It is down right stupid to keep saying we're running of oil when it is cheaper than water. Price is the best indicator of supply, I'm gonna repeat again, if the supply is scarce the price will soar, if the supply is in high demand, therefore the god damn price the god damn indicator.
@moniequa: From the Australian Senate inquiry into peak oil:
4.64 The committee notes concerns that markets will not respond in time to provide a smooth transition to a post peak oil world without government action.... resulting in economic and social hardship when supply of conventional oil falls below demand.
"Given the uncertainty about much of the information on world oil supplies and the geopolitical instability of some key oil bearing regions, it is possible that there may be a risk that markets will under invest in oil and energy technologies"
If we're uncertain about our most important asset, don't you think that's cause for an international, bipartisan enquiry? PRICE IS NOT THE ANSWER!
@EclipseNowBlog You need to get this through tiny little head, price and price alone is the indicator of oil supply. This video was posted in 2006 to manipulate people like you into investing in oil and to inflate its price to almost 200 per barrel and to artificially inflate gas price to almost $5/gallon. Now that they made their and oil price dropped to nothing, we don't see oil videos anymore. I hate to insult people but you know less than nothing.
D’oh! If only the Australian Senate committee had listened to YOU, all their worries would have just blown away. (Rolls eyes). What’s wrong with you? Husband work on an oil rig or something?
You deny the science AND history of oil production, and would attempt to distract the lurkers reading this thread with shallow, moronic subject shifts. The ONLY subject here is the science!
But if you want to talk price, $80 a barrel is not ‘normal’, it’s triple the price of just a few short years ago. Your moronic assertion that this is to prevent it being ‘cheaper than dirt’ ignores what a titanic shift this is in the most important product in the WORLD economy.
Tell me, who ‘sets’ this price in your world? Who stops it being ‘cheaper than dirt’ and how? Idiot.
@EclipseNowBlog, if you don't even know the most basic law economic, then no one can help you. I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore, you're incorrigibly stupid and you know nothing, in fact it is insulting to me to even insult you.
@moniequa: OH, I GET that supply + demand = price, but you're working backwards. Without investigating the science of the supply side, you take one glance at TODAY's PRICE and assume SUPPLY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!
And that's not any economic law I've ever read of! Please, dig out Adam Smith's life works and show me the page that reads,
"If today's price is fine, tomorrow's supply will always shine!" What crap. What illogical mumbo jumbo. You should write for Dr Seuss. Green eggs and SPAM!
@moniequa So much food? Do you realize that grocery stores only carry enough food in stock to last for less than a week? A complete collapse and starvation could come very quickly.
@moniequa: I'm pretty cranky that you imply I just 'believe things'. I've studied this subject extensively over the last 6 years. I've presented to politicians.
How much oil do we find now? Is it more or less than we burn each year?
Tell me genius, when was the last time we found more oil than we burned?
Tell me seriously, what respectable energy reports indicate we have a liquid fuel alternative that can scale up in time? Your faith in the market has made YOU blind to the laws of nature.
@EclipseNowBlog, If you've studied so extensively than why ask me? You should know we have enough oil in oil sand in alberta and oil in green field colorado and gulf of thailand to last us centuries. Reading a few oil news reports doesn't make you the authority of oil peak. It is a tragedy to site or quote a bunch of nonsense from some reports and present it as an absolute truth to our politicians. No wonder we're in such a sad state of economy.
Also, if you look at this peak oil report from the Australian senate, you'll see that there is no clear 'silver bullet' ready to implement in time. You'll have to copy and paste this into your browser, and add the actual DOT instead of the word DOT, because silly youtube does not allow hyperlinking in their forums.
@moniequa We are going to see a severe shortage of oil in our lifetime. It will not happen over night and there won't be an apocalypse. If anything it will just be an extension of what is already happening. Inflation will increase, unemployment, basically there is going to be another great depression. Our world will get much smaller and communities will be the most important part of survival. That's what will happen within the next 6-20 years.
@ekimthegib, No we're not going to have oil shortage, we have tarsand to last us a life time. I agree that inflation will increase but unemployment increases because we want it to because we give out unlimited unemployment benefits. Why work when you can get free money. I do the minimum anymore if I get fired I'll draw my unemployment like everyone else. Most our community members are stupid so we can depend them, they just know how to buy.
@Nibiru1975 It is obvious from your statement that you have no clue as to the facts! Spend some months educating yourself before you speak such nonsense!
@Nibiru1975 Here is a source from the US government themselves ranking countries by proven oil reserves. (go to google and search up "CIA oil reserves")
Guess who is ranked first. It is not the US they are 12th on the list.
answer. oil is a finite resource, mankind will out pace its demanded. small simple example... with the advance of technology, people live longer, huge children(global scale)mortality decrease,and human population increase. as a bloody race we live beyond our needs, and alot of developing nation are using coal and fossil fuel as scource. so in other word, there won't be enough oil for everyone , were killing the 20,000 yrs stable evironment that helping doing this in the first place. result war
i have a degree in petroleum engineering, we have just finished the century of oil, and sitll have prospects for 30 to 50 years further refinery...but now...welcome to the century of gas. with LNG productions and future hydratest o be developed from seabeds, it is a potential 500+ year industry...u wont be seeing alternative energy for many many years to come
Do you really believe there will be anyone left alive on Earth in100 years time to use these resources let alone 500?.Withour paper thin atmosphere decaying the way it is, i hopeyour right!.
I thought gas peak prodution was due to peak 2015-2025 .had a look at hydrates on the seabed of which there is more than twice coal oil gas combined, At present there is no suitable technology for recovering sea-bed methane hydrates.could be a potential 500+ year industry especially if it can,t be recovered !
u wont be seeing alternative energy for many many years to come ?Oil tycoon T-Boone Pickens seems to be putting a lot of his money in wind turbines
Yes, all correct, except for the bit about wind turbines...ok yes, there a great idea...but...wind, though being a renewable resource, is not constant...wind does not blow at the same rate all the time and you need a certain speed in order to turn the turbines. therefore IF something is to be done about it...well, i cant change wind speed can you?
more money is being put into that than into wind power, due to the current low oil price..its all politics and money these days
they work when the wind blows and in some places in america it,s windy its alternative energy and you will be seeing more of them plus other,s such as solar.within 15-20 years people will have large electrical storage at home so you can level the power requirements and make your own electric & store its going to happen faster than methane hydrates from the sea bed, it has to
peak oil is over - may the days of peace come soon, where we can live without this bunch of moneymaking destroyers
freeteepee 1 month ago
Boring
miket1m 1 month ago
fac this im 23 going to collage and this is so demotivating for me, im so depressed....we need human extermination
Dilyan881 4 months ago
@Dilyan881
Mabey you just need to study for a job in renewable energy?
I firmly believe nowadays that this whole financial mess we are in is mostly about our energy, or better said the price of our energy.
That's why our politicians have only talked total rubbish for the last 3 years cause they don't have a solution.
This mess isnt just about some greedy financial terrorists who crashed the economy, the problem is much deeper then that, and if youve seen this doc you know what i mean.
Clausewitzz 2 months ago
Typical Godless liberal fear-mongering scarcity propaganda.
When God created the Earth He made certain that Man would have enough energy to last until The Rapture. Harold Camping had the date all wrong but the principle is sound.
Did you know that the root of the word SCIENCE is SÉANCE, meaning it's a black art and can't be trusted? Now you do!
HorseCents 5 months ago
@HorseCents lol cool story bro.
WeLoveTranceOrg 4 months ago
holy fuck and this documentary was 5 YEARS AGO. god help us all
Searcheur 6 months ago
@acavideo The steady-state system is a myth, at least as it applies to our society today. No matter what we do, our society will collapse, period. The only truly sustainable societies are tribal, hunter-gatherer. Even farming societies eventually collapse for the simple reason that they always lead to a cycle of population growth which will continue exponentially until it busts.
unwinsis 8 months ago
@begoneyoubum If you watch the film they will talk about how the countries lie about the actual number of barrels they produce. I really can't explain the whole thing but we talked about it in my AP history.
sulphernie 9 months ago
So how long do we have? All you bumbling oaf's talk a lot about it but when will the poo hit the fan!
Come on now man! Let's have some dates from you people! When will it really break open?
begoneyoubum 11 months ago
The big sign of Peak Oil will be back to back to back to back recessions that we never seem to get out of. No cheap oil = No growth
MrEnergyCzar 1 year ago 6
The solution to Peak Oil is to drill more often, drill everywhere. The faster we deplete this resource, the better off we will be.
Lets open up the east coast to more drilling. There are now 510,000 oil wells in the USA producing an average of only 11 barrels a day each. With 1,600,000 wells producing at that rate, the USA will be self sufficient for oil for at least the next 5 years.
manderssteve 1 year ago
So where are we now? How long before the crunch hits us?
begoneyoubum 1 year ago
@begoneyoubum we're a few thousand years away before the crunch hits us. So prepare, prepare, prepare lol
moniequa 1 year ago
@begoneyoubum Global oil production have already peaked. The consequence is that oil prices grow when the economy grow. The oil price peak in 2008 made the world economy stop. We call it the finance crisis. Oil is on the run to 100$ pr barrel again. The next crunch will be triggered by state finances in the Euro zone.
fluggum 1 year ago
@fluggum
But what I am getting at is...when will the population really get the drift of when it is really setting in? What are going to be the signs to watch for before it really blows wide open? I always said to watch the airline industry because they use so much fuel.
begoneyoubum 1 year ago
@begoneyoubum The crunch will not be an end to oil production. The crunch will be the spiking of oil prices. When people really get it in their heads that SUVs are giant lawn sculptures then we'll see some fireworks. What we've seen so far is nothing. Learn how to garden, by the by. Petroleum agriculture is going to go away as well. That's the big problem as far as I can see. Forget the cars. People will be killing each other for food.
Victory gardens.
bobbygnosis 11 months ago
Just a minor point, the video shows a rocket/space shuttle taking off and those don't burn petroleum at all, the burn hydrazine among other things ;-)
HexJamXXX 1 year ago
@HexJamXXX Thats true, commonly a mixture of ammoniumperchlorate and aluminium powder
spherianable 1 year ago
Every rational person should stock up on guns and ammo.
SuddenCatharsis 1 year ago
MANIPULATION!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: no, SCIENCE!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog manipulation
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: you can't count. How many nations have already peaked? What is their annual decline? How many nations are still raising their production? When do THEIR agencies predict they will peak? Once the last few 'swing producers' cannot increase their production to offset the annual decline rate from the majority of nations that HAVE already peaked, what happens?
Answer this: when was the last time we *found* more oil than we produce?
'Denial' is not a river in Egypt!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa:
Oh yea, I thought you would like to know, the ABC Science Show has just basically sided with ASPO and declared July 2008 to be the peak oil year.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Air peak in 2011, we should stop breathing.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa Are you saying you can't imagine life without oil?
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog no I can't imagine life without oil because we will never run out of oil.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
You just keep telling yourself that funny girl. Click your heals together 3 times and repeat "There's no worries with oil, there's no worries with oil!" Make sure they are ruby slippers, or it might not work. ;-)
The rest of us have looked at the HISTORY of how 15 of the top 30 oil producing nations HAVE ALREADY peaked, and know roughly that it occurred in 2008. We'll never produce as much oil again. Ever less oil means higher prices. Seen the price lately? Over $80 still!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
If anyone that respects science is reading this and wants to get a feel for the range of opinion out there on the GEOLOGY of when oil will peak, go to wikipedia and copy and paste this in there.
'Predicting the timing of peak oil'
Then click on 'Peak oil for individual nations' to get a brief survey of all the nations that HAVE ALREADY PEAKED! That means they are now permanently in decline, and the rest of the world has to accelerate production each year to compensate.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah oil peak occurred in 2008 and then price decreased drastically after that, so i guess what you're trying to say is oil peak and then stop peaking afterward. LOL. what a fool!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa:
That's right, because no one can think about 2 subjects at once! ;-) We all have to blindly follow price. We can't anticipate tomorrow's price due to scarcity. The deranged way you talk it is as if scarcity has never driven up the price before! What a laugh. One Arab embargo of oil in the 70's and the price sky-rocketed! This will be a 'geological embargo' — it's a law of geological science — demonstrated by the 54/65 countries that have *already* peaked. You just don't *think.*
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog Tell me why should anyone worry about oil peak or oil scarcity when oil goes up only to come down again? If oil was peaked in 2008, it means oil supply has leveled of since then. The demand continues to increase due to population and economic growth in other parts of the world so the price has to increase but in this case the price declines. There is no such thing as oil peak, so stop it already.
moniequa 1 year ago
1. Geology determines supply. (Otherwise, why isn't Australia pumping like Saudi Arabia, and why did America peak in 1970 and now imports $600 billion a year?)
Stay tuned for point 2.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
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EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
2. Supply AND demand determine PRICE.
PRICE spiked due to demand catching supply and some speculators. Then the GFC killed some demand, which is well documented. Demand crashed, and so the price crashed. But not back to $40 a barrel!
Demand is now rising in India and China, while geology of peak oil is about to see supply declne.
You have said nothing to disprove the GEOLOGY and only focus on price, which is like trying to determine PRICE without *supply* AND demand.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
3. And you're ignoring the fact that the price IS rising. The new 'normal' is above $80 a barrel. But even this is too low, as it ignores the scientific fact that oil was humanity's free lunch that allowed the modern world. The price does not reflect this, and it should! Oil is so *important* we will go into a BIDDING WAR once annual moves permanently into decline.
Then you'll see $200 a barrel oil, rationing, maybe even war. No wonder you prefer denial of the geological FACTS.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, I'm not in denial, you said oil was peaking since 2008 and I'm asking you why oil price doesn't reflect that? Why oil price doesn't increase steadily since 2008, why did it decrease so drastically? Oil doesn't behave like a rare commodity to me so I'm going to conclude that oil is not peaking....period! Stop stirring shit, if we run out of oil, which we won't, we'll use something else.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
Wait a minute sunshine, do you agree supply and demand dictate price, and that geology dictates supply?
Now to answer your question on the price 'only' being $80 a barrel: production has remained 'flat' from the 5 year perspective. We are on top of humanity's oil peak. Soon we'll start to roll over to the other side, and see oil actually DECLINE. Basic geology 101 tells us this.
Nothing can replace oil as a liquid fuel in the time-frames we need. Nothing.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, wait a minute sunset, I agree supply and demand dictate price but so far the price has been decreasing as oil is peaking. So that only means one thing, oil is not peaking or supply of oil is exceed the demand. We won't roll over anything, geologists never claim that oil is peaking if they do they're wrong. If we want to we can have liquid coal and gas, and fuel cell. I'm not going to worry about oil, if ever run out we can harvest energy from the sun!!!!!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
"We won't roll over anything, geologists never claim that oil is peaking if they do they're wrong." What would you know about it? Been speaking to any petroleum exploration experts latey? You're sounding more ignorant the more you write.
As for liquid coal etc, ever Googled "The Hirsch Report"? American DOE expert says coal-to-liquids would take 20 years, and, I'm sorry to say, world peak coal is not too far away either. This is not about your *opinion* but the facts of hard science.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah I'm ignorant because I'm not a dumb conformist who believes whatever people. Peak coal? It takes 20 yrs to convert to liquefy coal? You only confirm my opinion that you're a sheep. Just because you read some pseudoscience research it doesn't mean that everything is true. My opinion is base on fact, supply, demand and price. You can't tell me that oil is scarce when it is cheaper than coffee.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
I didn't tell you it was scarce, did I Mr Ruby Slippers? I told you that it was at the PEAK of production, producing the MOST it ever would, didn't I?
I also told you that the arc of decline was about to kick in. According to the Pentagon and US Joint Forces Command, the world could be down 10 million barrels a day by 2015. That's not far away! So click those ruby slippers of yours together because this isn't Kansas any more Toto! It's not Texas tea either. It's peak oil.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
PS: PS: Go to wikipedia and look up 'Hirsch report'. 20 years for the world to scale up coal-to-liquids in normal market mechanisms, 10 years in a big government program.
The geology of peak oil and coal is from Phd experts and oil old boys with a lifetime in the field. Try ASPO dot com.
It is the USGS and IEA that now have no credibility.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog It is plane and simple, if something is gone it should be gone not all over the place. I'll believe you when it is gone until then I'm not gonna believe it! Nope!
moniequa 1 year ago
A few facts to help you:
You have to find oil before using it.
Worldwide, discovery peaked in 1965.
We’re now burning oil 5 times faster than we find it.
We’re using up oil our grandparents found.
Measuring this kind of thing for America only, Hubbert predicted American peak oil 14 years before it happened. The trends in American oil were very similar to the trends in world oil we see now. 15 of top 30 oil nations have peaked. Others must pump faster just to maintain today’s levels.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa
The last time we found as much oil as we burn in a given year was 1982. Since then the trend has only been downhill. Originally we were burning a bit more than we found... then twice as much as we found... now it's about 4 or 5 times as much as we find.
We're running out of those old stocks. Sorry old chum, but the science is in. Peak oil is now documented by the American MILITARY as a real and present danger, whether YOU happen to believe it or not, peak oil is a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Yeah they sang that oil peak song since 1950 and all we got is a bunch of price hikes and then only to fall down after someone is trying to implement alternative fuel programs. I think you should stop already, you're not gonna convince me that we run out of anything, especially oil. If you want to pay more for your gas please do but don't be spreading crap that is not true.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
You have sacrificed that unique human ability to survey our surroundings and plan ahead. Unlike the animals, we can count and measure and plan and prepare for various disasters. But you want to react ONLY when you actually see the price of oil triple and the rationing begin. Oh well. That's your choice.
For anyone else, the science is all out there. The figures don't lie, even if Moniequa does.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago 2
@EclipseNowBlog Oh please give me a break, preparing and planning for a fake oil peak is just plane stupid. The sun will burn out in a few trillion years why don't you prepare for that? The ocean will dry out too why don't you prepare that? Science my ass, they couldn't even tell when the oil is gonna run out and most believe that oil is infinite resource. What a gullible fool!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa:
So why aren't we finding as much sweet crude as we burn!? Why have we burnt more oil than we find since 1982?
You're just an AMAZING example of Denial. You'll see. 5 years and there will BE NO ARGUMENT YOU CAN MAKE!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, because we don't want to and why would we when we have plenty of people like you ignorantly screaming oil peak and supporting artificial price increase. It's fact, you don't have to be a scientist or researcher to know it.
moniequa 1 year ago
Because we don't WANT to find the most lucrative and useful energy source humanity has ever stumbled across!? Do you know how many 10's of billions go into exploration? You do know it costs $250 thousand dollars per day to operate a deep-sea rig? And you think we DON'T WANT TO find more oil?
Hint: Oil technology and exploration is 2nd only to the military for having the best kit and most money to do what they do!
You're really grasping at straws now.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
I mean, honestly!
Do you think the USA would waste $600 billion dollars a year — soon to be a TRILLION dollars a year when oil doubles — importing overseas oil if there was any way not to?
ANWR might have a bit, and would max out at about 1.5 million barrels a day. But after peak we’ll be losing anywhere from 4% to 8% per year of 86mbd. That’s 3.44 mbd to 6.8 mbd loss EACH YEAR!
"Don't want to" indeed! American history and the history of oil are both against you.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Wasting money is our specialty. In fact we are the capital of money wasting in the world. We import everything, including oil. Don't you think we can't produce our baskets, we can, but that doesn't prevent us from importing them. I found all kind of oil in Montana and N. Dakota. I mean a lot a lot!!!!!!! But we'll import more oil.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
Oh, you'll import more oil will you? From which nation? From where? Oh, that's right, you don't do SPECIFICS like counting how much oil is documented to be in certain reserves, or even keeping track of which of the top 30 oil nations have already peaked and are in SIGNIFICANT decline!
Sorry dude, but the oil is just not that abundant.
I ACTUALLY *WISH* YOU WERE RIGHT, but *KNOW* you are just another sad American in denial of the realities ahead.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa
>>"The sun will burn out in a few trillion years why don't you prepare for that?"
-nothing you can do about it.. we can't overdraw the suns energy.
oil consumption on the other hand is based on chosen exponential growth, which we can choose to stop and reverse.
walter0bz 1 year ago
I'm all for New Urbanism and ecocities and gardening and biofarming, BUT this film is wrong. We're moving from an era of fossil fuels to an era of advanced GenIV nuclear reactors that eat nuclear waste! We could run the WORLD for 500 years just on the waste we have already accumulated!
Google "Brave New Climate" for Professor Barry Brook on the Integral Fast Reactor.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
this is all fear mongering the government is at least 25 years ahead of us technology wise and i guarantee all of you they already have a complete replacement for fossil fuels
piketyl000 1 year ago
@piketyl000
lol, how do you make plastics and pharmaceutical drugs without oil? Hydro carbons make 97% of the shit we use today.
antripod123 1 year ago
@antripod123:
Plasma arc waste processors turn all of our municipal waste into syngas and slag. The slag can get used as a variety of construction materials, including a fibreglass replacement. The Syngas can be used as a chemical feedstock to create everything from toothbrushes to jet fuel. We are talking about old Pizza boxes and dirty diapers becoming toothbrushes! Google "Prescription for the Planet" and buy it!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@piketyl000
I don't think the government has really thought about this much at all, from the politicians I've met. However, there ARE better technologies and better city designs we can move to from here on in. GenIV nukes eat waste and could run the world for 500 years on the nuclear waste we already have, plasma burners can turn landfill waste into fuel and building materials, and electric cars with fast-charge and battery swaps can do the job! We'll make it, but after a Great Depression!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
i dont think swearing at each other is ethical on here so why dont you stop it please, there are children on this site
helenrobjames 1 year ago
@helenrobjames, well, tell williamkendick to stop being so hateful.
moniequa 1 year ago
Since we run out of oil, we don't need to clean up BP's spill because we'll just let it run out on its own. Hahahahahah
moniequa 1 year ago
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@moniequa "Since we run out of oil, we don't need to clean up BP's spill because we'll just let it run out on its own. Hahahahahah " go tell that to the people living there... and then go visit a very good surgeon because your face will need reconstruction....
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
we need a clean energy economy NOW
hockingconnor 1 year ago
@hockingconnor, we'll use clean energy when oil is gone but at this rate it will be another 500 years. Oil is everywhere and its dirt cheap that is why its not economically viable to use other energy sources.
moniequa 1 year ago
the party's over.
the oil WILL run out. and then there will be enough food produced for 7 billion with low energy farming. more like a billion. hence die off on a unprecedented scale. boom time for vultures (if theres any left by then what with our habitat stealing).
we were warned 40 years ago of earths true human holding capacity, but we just li listened to oil money and chasing dreams. now its time to pay the price. and alt energy wont save us. thats MASSIVELY oil dependent too lol
andy765gtr 1 year ago
look hard at the blogspot solarseeds!
nycosmopolitan 1 year ago
@EmperorMarcusNovius, yes we are running out of cheap oil that is why crude oil is at $60 a barrel today. At the rate its going we probably oil will be $35 a barrel by next year.
moniequa 1 year ago
this film is way too much pessimistic, guys!
NeZpReSso 1 year ago
this film is way too much pessimistic, guys!
NeZpReSso 1 year ago
The sooner we run out of oil, the better.
RondoRaven 1 year ago
@RondoRaven, yes the sooner the better because oil is getting cheaper as we speak, today it is $60 a barrel.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa you god damn idiot. within 5 years it will no longer be 60 a barrel, but 150 a barrel.. where did you get your education, the short bus?
williamkendrick 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, you're a fucking idiot, we're not running out of oil, in fact today oil went down $2. So what the fuck do you say to that? When shit is scarce price should go up not down. In this case the fucking price is down so if you have any fucking brain you would know that we're not running out or peaking anything. Stupid asshole!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa you really think so huh? well sheep, good luck with that
oh and your troll is fail.
also, where did you get your education? from a kindergarten teacher? what a fucking idiot. you are hereby blocked. its obvious you know JACK SHIT.
we're 20 years away from not having oil at all.. wh at a fucking dumb ass troll.
you're blocked. goodbye. loser.
williamkendrick 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, blah blah blah blah, shut the fuck up already, you're an idiot, yeah I'm blocked alright, why in the fuck am I still talking, what a stupid asshole.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa lol, thats all you got? you're really a fail MST, aren't ya? you ARE blocked, but this isn't my inbox, now is it idiot? the only asshole here is you faggot. kiss my ass bitch, no one cares what you think. i'll talk shit until you go shoot yourself MST.
williamkendrick 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, No one cares? Apparently you do, because you don't seem to have enough of me. You responded to my every comment even the one that is not directed to you. I hate to repeat myself but you're a worthless pencil dick.
moniequa 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, lol, what a blabbering idiot go ahead cuss your ass out. Hahahahahahahahahaha
moniequa 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, I just bought an extra big hummer so I can use more gas. I used to walk but now I drive everywhere even going to my mail box. I love it, I turn my AC full blast all the time, i go for four wheel drive too, its not that I like the doors its because i like to waste gas. The best way to make your car consume more gas is by increase the size of your tires, the bigger the better.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: You're being a bit arrogant and dismissive of the peer-reviewed, verifiable SCIENCE of peak oil geology 101. So while I disagree with the defeatism of this movie, especially the Matt Savinar contributions in the actual show, I also don't think outright self-delusional denial helps either. Have fun trying to fill your hummer when the rationing starts! Good luck with that!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, I'll believe it when I see $300/barrel, until then I'll drive my big hummer everywhere.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa : OK, but don't say you weren't warned. You know that we have to find oil before we burn it right? You know that the last time we discovered as much oil as we burn was way back in 1982? You know that tar sands can only scale up so far before it too peaks due to lack of water and energy to drive it? Even the Corporations producing tar sands talk about very small production levels by 2015 and 2020 compared to the estimated global decline by then.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog thank you for your warning but oil doesn't behave like a infinite resource. According to law of supply and demand of economics, if the demand increases and supply decreases then the price must be increase but instead we have price decrease, not only a little bit but a huge decrease. I dont care what oil cos. say about oil supply. Oil is going to be cheap for along time, if its not, alternative fuel will take its place.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
Your economics seems a bit confused there. Of COURSE oil is not an 'infinite supply', I never said it was. If the demand increases and the supply decreases then the price will go through the absolute roof! The reason we had oil super-spike in price to $150 a few years ago was a bit of speculation, but basically oil production didn't rise fast enough. Imagine what will happen when it not only peaks, but begins to decline?
There's no alternative LIQUID fuel that can scale in time.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, I meant oil didn't behave like a finite resource because its price doesn't increase steadily as the supply is dwindling and the demand is increasing. If you look at oil prices for the past 40 years, if you factor inflation in, it basically has stayed the same. Does that sound like something is scarce? No!
If want too, there are liquid fuels, ie liquid gas and coal, also if we want to get away from oil, we can use fuel cell.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa:
Sorry Moniequa but your 'history of oil' lacks the fact that world oil HASN'T peaked yet. The RESOURCE is dwindling... half what it was, but DAILY PRODUCTION has never been this high. Once DAILY PRODUCTION declines, it won't just cost more, but the RATIONING will begin.
And fuel cells require hydrogen. Where does that come from?
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Ok then if oil is peaking and price will go through the roof then why don't you invest in oil now. It makes perfect sense, we can't live without oil and oil is the only thing that fuels our world economy, you should invest in this precious commodity and make millions. In fact, those who believe in oil peak should invest their life savings in oil.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: Except that oil could be nationalised. This was covered in a French docu-drama on peak oil. A big hummer driving oil trader bankrupted his stockmarket trading company by doing this, as the oil price was frozen and remaining reserves nationalised. You're thinking too small, like business as usual and the normal rules applying. Don't think of this as supply and demand but as an INTERNATIONAL CRISIS, like a war. How do governments respond in a war? Command economies. Anything goes.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, you're right, just like war, oil peak is a man made crisis. oil will fluctuate for along time, the price will increase when no one looks for alternative fuels but crashes when alternative fuel is implemented. You have seen this for many years now and you'll continue to see this pattern for decades to come.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: There simply IS NO alternative liquid fuel that can be scaled up quickly enough. Sorry, but that's an opinion derived from years of reading through energy reports. There are alternative energy systems and transport systems, but they are based on electricity. Ethanol, biodisel, hydrogen Nope. Too expensive, too little, far too late.
Trolley buses can be implemented faster than society can switch to electric cars, and has better town planning effects as well.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, There is alternative fuel if we want to create it, but oil is too cheap and too abundant to develop its replacement. We have natural gas and coal that can be converted into liquid fuel that will last us centuries to come but now its not the time. You need to stop reading those energy reports they're manipulating you into investing your money in something that is not running out.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: with respect, it sounds like you need to read the wiki's on peak oil, peak gas, and yes, even peak coal. Coal-to-liquids programs would just hasten peak coal with the same effects. The University of Newcastle has projected peak coal to be anywhere from now to 2048... so that discussion is just starting. But recommending using MORE of it in an age of global warming is not just absurd, it's dangerous.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Global warming, peak oil, coal and gas, you sound like a true conformist. Believing everything blindly is not only financially detrimental to you but to the entire society. A few years ago we ran out of land and homes and thanks to people like you we got a giant real estate bubble that is destroy our economy. Like I said, conformists are not only dangerous to themselves but to everyone else as well.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa : Yeah, nice, you really read that Federal Senate report on alternative liquid fuels didn't you! ;-) Not bothering to be scientifically informed, you float out financial accusations you know nothing about!
Many of my peak oil buddies tried to WARN society about the housing crash, so don't conflate 2 completely unrelated subjects! Google "A perfect storm approaches America" for OSO's 2005 prediction.
The only 'conforming' I do is to the laws of thermodynamics. You should try it.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, law of thermodynamics has nothing to do with oil peak. Sorry!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: The laws of thermodynamics (physics and energy and mechanics) have EVERYTHING to do with peak oil. After the 'half way' point of an oil field's life the laws of nature take over and you just can't pump the stuff fast enough. It's like sucking a slushy. At first the juice flows fast, but it quickly reduces to sucking juice from between the bits of ice and the rate of juice slows down. Same with peak oil.
You're delusional about tar sands. QUANTITY does not equal SPEED of extraction.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: Indeed, the tar sands may as well be on the moon for all the good it will do you. No wonder your American economy is about to tank! You think it's bad so far? Ha!
The only reason you keep rabbiting on about 'the economy' is because you don't want to accept the laws of physics. You're blurting ideological nonsense about the economy without having a clue how BASIC peak oil geology is. It's like geology 101. It's HISTORY in a majority of oil producing nations. Grow up!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Tar sands will last us forever. Your economy is not any better either at least most of us Americans get to spend our money before the economy is tanking. You folks live below poverty level and your economy is still crumbling. Crying oil peak and paying $8 a gallon doesn't help anyone but oil companies. You need to grow up!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa
Even if that were true*, we can’t go there as it has 2 times the Co2 per barrel of normal oil.
So you obviously haven’t bothered with climate science either? Or is that just *another* conspiracy out to distract citizens from the wonders of the all-hallowed “marketplace” at which you worship?
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa
* It’ isn’t true. Tar sands are only about double conventional oil in RESOURCE, but how much of that is technically and economically possible to extract as RESERVES is another matter yet to be demonstrated. So we’ve already hit peak oil in conventional oil, how long before we hit peak tar-sands? Oil use grows about 2% per year. That means we’ll need 4 times as much in 70 years! It will peak out long before then.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Seriously, you need to wise up a little. You can't believe everything. If oil usage increases 2% a year, and oil is peaking, than we should experience price increase every year. but oil price doesn't increase steadily it fluctuates all over the place, sometime it drops 70%. When oil behaves like a finite resource than come back to me until then I think oil peak is a bunch of bull just like global warming.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: You're embarrassing yourself. A few countries that have peaked: America, Russia, Australia, Iran, all of Europe, etc. We KNOW how peak oil happens because it has happened in 54 out of 65 of the top oil producing nations. To deny this is not only to deny oil geology 101, but also to deny history. When Saudi Arabia peaks, that means the WORLD has peaked.
So when oil hits $30 a barrel for about 5 years in a row, then you can be snide. But $80 is right on track. GROW UP!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog You're the one who's embarrasing yourself. If 54 out of 65 oil producing countries are gone it means 83% of oil is gone yet the price manages to stay the same and sometime it even decreases. I guess what you're trying to tell me is that oil peak is inversely corrected to oil price. You're don't understand the basic laws of supply and demand. Come back to me when you understand it correctly.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa : See, you don't even understand the terms of the debate! Did I say "Gone"? No! I said they have peaked. They are on the downslope. They are producing less and less oil. Come back to ME when YOU even know the basic terms of this discussion you THINK you are having! Come back to me when you THINK you have a 'proof' that 54 nations haven't already peaked. Even Exxon admit this! What are you, 13? Saudi have offset this decline so far, but soon even they will peak. That's WORLD peak oil.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: Seriously, go spend a day at peak oil dot net and read the "About peak oil" page, or try wikipedia on peak oil. You need to learn the basic terms of the debate before you embarrass yourself any further.
EG: America peaked in 1970, but are still pumping oil. Only about half what they did 40 years ago, but still pumping! We are talking not about reserves but about less oil being produced on a daily basis. We can count how many fields and countries have peaked, and map their decline.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog yeah yeah I know peak oil production is when rate of production is equal or less than the rate of usage. So the question is still the same, if we can't produce fast enough oil why in the hell the price is still low? Answer that and stop telling me about oil peak. I know that concept already it has been around since the 50's.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: D'uh! Because world oil hasn't peaked yet. The majority of oil producing nations HAVE already peaked, but a few HUGE oil producers are currently offsetting the decline. For now.
Experts like the UK's Chris Skrebowski explain that as they count ALL the new large oil projects coming online over the next decade, and subtract the known depletion rates from existing nations that have already peaked, they can see a problem after 2010. Oil is $80 a barrel now because we are near peak.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: How about you explain why oil hasn't gone back to 20 or $30 a barrel? Why are we stuck at $80? ;-)
I'll tell you why it DROPPED from $150 to $80... the GFC. Recession causes a drop in demand. So the price has dropped. For now.
This is also why oil will rise and fall and rise and fall after peak oil. Price rises cause economic crashes causes cheaper oil causes price rises again. But eventually the laws of physics must be obeyed. One day there'll be rationing.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, oil can't be $20 or $30 because 1) it can't be cheaper than dirt and 2) inflation. We're not stuck at $80 we went as low as $55. Recession and low demand should only slow down the price increase not decreas it. According to you, 54 of out of 65 oil producing countries are already peaked out so we don't have enough to go around, so the price should go up up up and up. Physics has nothing to do with this and you're not a scientist, so put a cork in it already.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: Physics has everything to do with it because it is the laws of physics that dictate how the oil flows through the rocks, and how it gets to us, and why 54 out of 65 oil nations HAVE peaked. (You poor deluded dear, you think $80 a barrel disproves this HISTORICAL FACT!?)
The last 11 nations that haven't peaked yet have been compensating for the majority that have. For now. Once again: oil is not equally distributed to every nation on earth. Some produce more than others.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa:
I'd love you to disprove that 54 oil nations have peaked. This is just a fact! You don't have to be a scientist for that: you just have to be able to READ!
Not only this, but try the ABC's Catalyst "Real Oil Crisis" episode.
"The last year we discovered more oil than we consumed was 1981.
We use 2 barrels of oil for every barrel discovered."
In other words we're burning it twice as fast as we're finding it. Find this (after deleting space) at
tinyurl . com /ak6na
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog You continue to say we use faster than we produce why in the world oil is still cheaper than bottled water.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: What did I tell you the last few times? It hasn't reached GLOBAL peak oil yet. Many nations have peaked, but the few that haven't have been increasing their supply to maximum. They are about to max out.
We're using it faster so the average annual price has doubled. I agree that it is still ridiculously cheap for the finite product that it actually is. America should double or triple the price through tax, like Europe. Then you'd have more efficient cars, and more tax for rail.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: I've answered your questions repeatedly but you haven't answered mine. How much oil have we found? How fast are we using it? How fast are we discovering it? Can you disprove the ABC's Catalyst quote I gave you? What about the 54 / 65 nations that have already peaked?
You've got NOTHING!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, I've told you a million times that we found trillions of barrels in Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Green Field Colorado, and infinite amount in Alberta. Go read it yourself. You still haven't prove anything, you can scream about oil peak until the kingdom come, I still I won't believe it. Until the God Damn oil behaves like a finite resource, you don't have a thing. The only thing you have is HOT AIR!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: So you won't believe it until you see $300 a barrel oil? That's the way the majority of the SHEEP PEOPLE like yourself think. Don't listen to any science you don't like. Stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la like a 3 year old.
The tar sands may as well be on the moon because even the DEVELOPERS admit that optimistic scenarios will be 3mbd by 2015. The world could be LOSING 2 or 3mbd *each year* after the peak in 2012. Do the math. The world economy will bust.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: The thing that frustrates me is so many politicians behave as idiotically as you do. We have the technology to beat this, but it won't be deployed until it's too late and we see $200 oil and bankrupt airlines. It's not the end of the world, but it is going to be a LOT nastier because the majority of people feel too threatened to admit energy projects take decades to build out in scale. Denial will bankrupt the world. Hang on tight, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
La la la
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, it frustrates me to no end that conformists are stupidly blathering about oil peak. They don't know that economically it is impossible to switch to alternative fuel because consumers will automatically choose inexpensive oil over the other shit. And oil companies know it, that's why they haven't invest in other energy.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: Yep, 'conforming' to the laws of physics is certainly frustrating and boring, but one day you'll realise that we have to do it.
Oil is a finite resource.
We've used the good, easy, cheap half of the conventional oil.
The expensive stuff that is left such as tar sands and non-conventional deep seawater oil CANNOT be sucked out of the ground at the same HUGE rate to offset the decline of tired old fields. You'll probably see this bite around 2012-2015.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa You said: "They don't know that economically it is impossible to switch to alternative fuel because consumers will automatically choose inexpensive oil over the other shit."
You're sounding so ignorant of real world realities that I wonder if you need to go back to school?
Electricity in Electric cars costs HALF the price of oil on a per km travelled basis. Go figure.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, get a clue already, you dumb sheep.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: Answer the questions you internet troll.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, its a bunch of lies you're too stupid to know it. Its fake and you can talk until your balls fall off and I will not believe it.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa : Diddums. You'll believe the experts I read when the rationing starts and you can't fill your 'precious' hummer. You have confirmed yourself as a science-hating, irrational, ideologically driven internet troll who can't bear bad news. Denial is an ugly thing. When the Great Depression starts and you're there crying "Why, why, why?" as America is bankrupted, remember your mate Eclipse Now tried to warn you and pointed you to the science but you just didn't want to make time to *read*.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, I don't hate science, I hate idiots who pretend to be scientists. Some Americans are bankrupt because they are sheep, they got manipulated into buying homes they couldn't afford, like you with oil, they were told that homes and land were scarce and everybody had to buy one. Now homes are everywhere, like oil its gone now but the minute we have alternative fuel, oil will be everywhere. So put a cork in it already, I don't believe oil peak.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: That's right, because real estate investment and the science of oil geology are the same thing. No really! ;-)
You not only ignore the science of peak oil, you ignore the DEMONSTRABLE HISTORY of peak oil. It HAS already happened in a majority of oil producing nations. FACT! None of your silly name calling and rudeness has disproved this.
We're just counting the nations off, waiting for the combined effects to bring on GLOBAL peak oil. So rant away about real estate, I don't care.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Nope there is no oil peak because crude oil is still cheaper than dirt, that means it is abundant.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: (yawns at the pointlessness of pointing out a 5th, or is that 6th time...)
GLOBAL OIL HASN'T PEAKED YET! D'uh!
But according to dozens and dozens of peer reviewed, verifiable, corporate, geological, and governments sources: the MAJORITY OF OIL PRODUCING NATIONS HAVE PEAKED!
They are going down. The few super-giants left are still going up... for a bit.
They do this thing called MATHS and work out how long till GLOBAL peak.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: It's like when you're down to your last loaf of bread, last bottle of milk, and last slice of ham. You DO THE MATH and go shopping for more food.
We've drilled all the most productive, potentially viable sites on the planet for free-flowing cheap oil. Discovery of this GOOD oil peaked 40 years ago.
So converting it back to the cupboard analogy, we've still got a pretty full larder, but the local supermarket's are gone. Soon the rationing begins.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, Using your analogy, if the supermarkets' shelves are empty why is there so much food and it is very cheap. Like I said many times before you can scream oil peak all you want, if oil doesn't behave like it is peaking, I will not believe. Oh by the way air is peaking also.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: easy.
1. The world is probably at peak oil now, but the terminal decline has not set in yet.
2. The GFC reduced demand for oil from $130 a barrel down to $80
3. If you're so confident oil is so abundant, your real problem is why is oil stuck at $80 not $20?
4. But none of this *autistic* focus on PRICE ALONE really matters, because it ignores the GEOLOGY. If you're too stupid to bother looking into peak oil, then you only have yourself to blame when you can't fill your hummer.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, you're suffering from Alzheimer. I told you a million times that oil could not be $20 that would make it cheaper than dirty, even at 80 it is still cheaper than shit. It is down right stupid to keep saying we're running of oil when it is cheaper than water. Price is the best indicator of supply, I'm gonna repeat again, if the supply is scarce the price will soar, if the supply is in high demand, therefore the god damn price the god damn indicator.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: From the Australian Senate inquiry into peak oil:
4.64 The committee notes concerns that markets will not respond in time to provide a smooth transition to a post peak oil world without government action.... resulting in economic and social hardship when supply of conventional oil falls below demand.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa: Why does the Senate say that?
"Given the uncertainty about much of the information on world oil supplies and the geopolitical instability of some key oil bearing regions, it is possible that there may be a risk that markets will under invest in oil and energy technologies"
If we're uncertain about our most important asset, don't you think that's cause for an international, bipartisan enquiry? PRICE IS NOT THE ANSWER!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog You need to get this through tiny little head, price and price alone is the indicator of oil supply. This video was posted in 2006 to manipulate people like you into investing in oil and to inflate its price to almost 200 per barrel and to artificially inflate gas price to almost $5/gallon. Now that they made their and oil price dropped to nothing, we don't see oil videos anymore. I hate to insult people but you know less than nothing.
moniequa 1 year ago
D’oh! If only the Australian Senate committee had listened to YOU, all their worries would have just blown away. (Rolls eyes). What’s wrong with you? Husband work on an oil rig or something?
You deny the science AND history of oil production, and would attempt to distract the lurkers reading this thread with shallow, moronic subject shifts. The ONLY subject here is the science!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
But if you want to talk price, $80 a barrel is not ‘normal’, it’s triple the price of just a few short years ago. Your moronic assertion that this is to prevent it being ‘cheaper than dirt’ ignores what a titanic shift this is in the most important product in the WORLD economy.
Tell me, who ‘sets’ this price in your world? Who stops it being ‘cheaper than dirt’ and how? Idiot.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, if you don't even know the most basic law economic, then no one can help you. I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore, you're incorrigibly stupid and you know nothing, in fact it is insulting to me to even insult you.
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: OH, I GET that supply + demand = price, but you're working backwards. Without investigating the science of the supply side, you take one glance at TODAY's PRICE and assume SUPPLY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!
And that's not any economic law I've ever read of! Please, dig out Adam Smith's life works and show me the page that reads,
"If today's price is fine, tomorrow's supply will always shine!" What crap. What illogical mumbo jumbo. You should write for Dr Seuss. Green eggs and SPAM!
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog Good bye!
moniequa 1 year ago
@moniequa: Ahhhh, now she gets it! When I finally click to showing how ridiculous your use of "price" is, you get it.
Good luck in the coming decade, you're going to need it.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa So much food? Do you realize that grocery stores only carry enough food in stock to last for less than a week? A complete collapse and starvation could come very quickly.
SuddenCatharsis 1 year ago
@moniequa: I'm pretty cranky that you imply I just 'believe things'. I've studied this subject extensively over the last 6 years. I've presented to politicians.
How much oil do we find now? Is it more or less than we burn each year?
Tell me genius, when was the last time we found more oil than we burned?
Tell me seriously, what respectable energy reports indicate we have a liquid fuel alternative that can scale up in time? Your faith in the market has made YOU blind to the laws of nature.
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@EclipseNowBlog, If you've studied so extensively than why ask me? You should know we have enough oil in oil sand in alberta and oil in green field colorado and gulf of thailand to last us centuries. Reading a few oil news reports doesn't make you the authority of oil peak. It is a tragedy to site or quote a bunch of nonsense from some reports and present it as an absolute truth to our politicians. No wonder we're in such a sad state of economy.
moniequa 1 year ago
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@moniequa
Also, if you look at this peak oil report from the Australian senate, you'll see that there is no clear 'silver bullet' ready to implement in time. You'll have to copy and paste this into your browser, and add the actual DOT instead of the word DOT, because silly youtube does not allow hyperlinking in their forums.
tinyurl dot com/2a8d74e
EclipseNowBlog 1 year ago
@moniequa We are going to see a severe shortage of oil in our lifetime. It will not happen over night and there won't be an apocalypse. If anything it will just be an extension of what is already happening. Inflation will increase, unemployment, basically there is going to be another great depression. Our world will get much smaller and communities will be the most important part of survival. That's what will happen within the next 6-20 years.
Then again nobody will know until it happens.
ekimthegib 1 year ago
@ekimthegib, No we're not going to have oil shortage, we have tarsand to last us a life time. I agree that inflation will increase but unemployment increases because we want it to because we give out unlimited unemployment benefits. Why work when you can get free money. I do the minimum anymore if I get fired I'll draw my unemployment like everyone else. Most our community members are stupid so we can depend them, they just know how to buy.
moniequa 1 year ago
@williamkendrick, you're an idiot
moniequa 1 year ago
disapointing, have you scene zeitgiest
helenrobjames 1 year ago
the arab countries have so much oil til 2100, till then we will be dead
srsura 1 year ago
There is more oil in the usa than there is in the middle east ! they just wont Tap it.
Nibiru1975 2 years ago
@Nibiru1975 It is obvious from your statement that you have no clue as to the facts! Spend some months educating yourself before you speak such nonsense!
38herewego 1 year ago
@38herewego Ive done my research you do your !!! I,ll Send you the link.,
Nibiru1975 1 year ago
@Nibiru1975 Here is a source from the US government themselves ranking countries by proven oil reserves. (go to google and search up "CIA oil reserves")
Guess who is ranked first. It is not the US they are 12th on the list.
blackslatewash 1 year ago
@38herewego I have educated myself maybe you should be asking why I say such things and where I can my info from, Rather than calling me a lier.!!!
Nibiru1975 1 year ago
@Nibiru1975 If anybody wants the link info on why I say that email me.
Nibiru1975 1 year ago
answer. oil is a finite resource, mankind will out pace its demanded. small simple example... with the advance of technology, people live longer, huge children(global scale)mortality decrease,and human population increase. as a bloody race we live beyond our needs, and alot of developing nation are using coal and fossil fuel as scource. so in other word, there won't be enough oil for everyone , were killing the 20,000 yrs stable evironment that helping doing this in the first place. result war
SageRai 2 years ago
i have a degree in petroleum engineering, we have just finished the century of oil, and sitll have prospects for 30 to 50 years further refinery...but now...welcome to the century of gas. with LNG productions and future hydratest o be developed from seabeds, it is a potential 500+ year industry...u wont be seeing alternative energy for many many years to come
vikingligrveldi001 2 years ago
Do you really believe there will be anyone left alive on Earth in100 years time to use these resources let alone 500?.Withour paper thin atmosphere decaying the way it is, i hopeyour right!.
wind4watts 2 years ago
can you point me at a web sit,e thought LNG had peaked. methane hydrate ice A Possible Mechanism For
Ice Age And Global Warming Cycles.found this on google has anybody taped into this yet ? is this what you mean about your 500+ year industry
reedy93 2 years ago
I thought gas peak prodution was due to peak 2015-2025 .had a look at hydrates on the seabed of which there is more than twice coal oil gas combined, At present there is no suitable technology for recovering sea-bed methane hydrates.could be a potential 500+ year industry especially if it can,t be recovered !
u wont be seeing alternative energy for many many years to come ?Oil tycoon T-Boone Pickens seems to be putting a lot of his money in wind turbines
reedy93 2 years ago 2
Yes, all correct, except for the bit about wind turbines...ok yes, there a great idea...but...wind, though being a renewable resource, is not constant...wind does not blow at the same rate all the time and you need a certain speed in order to turn the turbines. therefore IF something is to be done about it...well, i cant change wind speed can you?
more money is being put into that than into wind power, due to the current low oil price..its all politics and money these days
vikingligrveldi001 2 years ago
they work when the wind blows and in some places in america it,s windy its alternative energy and you will be seeing more of them plus other,s such as solar.within 15-20 years people will have large electrical storage at home so you can level the power requirements and make your own electric & store its going to happen faster than methane hydrates from the sea bed, it has to
reedy93 2 years ago