DRAPER/WHITMAN- 1. CAMPBELL- 0. PETE GOT OWENED. what a little bitch. I definitely didn't think it would have gone that way. We all know Pete only wanted to out Don because he didn't like him not because of the safety of SC. Burt didn't even care. Pete is so dumb.
This is the scene that made me intro a Mad Men fan. I did not fall in love with this series like so many; I didn't like any of the characters, especially Don and Pete. Then we got Don's backstory and this episode and it all made sense. This was a different kind of show; a very slow burning character study. Really cool scene.
"If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense."...kind of agreeing with this. Blast those emmys for clouding my judgement. xD
"If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense."......kind of agreeing with this. Blast those emmys for clouding my judgement. xD
Cooper was happy that Pete told him this. It gave Cooper a tool that he could use to handle Don and force him to his own will. Don never signed a contract so he had all the power... Pete just gave Cooper the power over Don.
We see later, and even maybe see a little bit of it here, that Cooper isn't as indifferent to this revelation about Don Draper as the phrase "who cares?" might suggest. His goal here, at least in my mind, is not to say that this secret doesn't matter. His goal is to put Pete Campbell in his place and make him realize that he's going to have to do better than snitching on his superiors if he wants to get ahead in this business.
@yankeeangel26 True but I also think he really means it. His Japanese quote is proof. Plus, Cooper and Sterling's old man were able to turn out profits during the depression. Guaranteed they did some shaddy stuff and work with some shaddy characters in order to make that happen!
@thebopper99 Oh yeah, Cooper's definitely not anywhere near as bothered by it as Campbell probably thought he would be--most likely for the reasons you mentioned. And while Cooper uses this knowledge about Draper to his advantage later on, I think that's really more about what's good for the business rather than any personal outrage over what Don had done years before.
@yankeeangel26 Exactly. Cooper is smart enough to know while Pete Campbell is a dime a dozen, Draper is pretty much one in a million. Plus now, Cooper knows Draper will be royal to them even more since they looked beyond his "stetchy past".
If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense.
Congrats on using the word trite. I'm sure your professor will be proud.
In all seriousness, this is not at all trite. That's exactly what I hope and expect someone would say in that situation. It works because it ISN'T nonsense. What is the first thing that comes to anyone's head when a self-righteous brown-noser goes off on an empty rant in a blatant attempt to impress a higher up? That's right: "Who the hell cares?" Most shows don't have the mind to realize this. Mad Men does.
Well obviously if you don't watch the show you wouldn't understand the significance of this scene and the way the actors and producers dealt with it. Piss off and watch something more unconventional if you find this so 'trite', you pretentious ass bag.
Ironically Don would have saved himself a lot of trouble if he had given the job to Campbell instead of Duck Phillips, but he couldn't allow himself to be blackmailed, so that was the only way...
@david552 It's not just pride, but a practical consideration of how long this could go. If he gives into Pete now when will it stop? Better to nip it in the bud now instead of having Peter forever thinking that he owns Don.
@tucsonia yeah - that's what I mean. Pride was in it sure, but Pete in those days was such a scheming asshole, you couldn't let him get anything on you.
Absolutely brilliant show. Its one of those rare programmes that when people ask you what it's about, Im slightly taken aback and just say 'Watch it'. Amazing.
@Bracerjack Loyalty can be born through admiration, grudging hatred, respect. If pete cant unseat Don, his constant striving to be respected by Don might make him an unlikely ally ( this show is written quite well and ambiguously so it could easily mean something else entirely)
@Bracerjack Pete knows that his "Plan" to reveal Don blew up in his face. Thus the statement: Fire him if you want...but I would keep an eye on him.."One never knows how loyalty is born" Means that Pete knows that Don has the authority to fire him..yet by not doing so after betraying him, this will instill gratitude in Pete and therefore loyalty. In the same since that if you save a persons life they feel indebted to you.
@cherrydarlingxoxo Loyalty WAS instilled. Remember the episode when Pete landed the account of a top-level US government agency. Don realized that the subsequent BIs of him and other execs potentially could reveal him as Dick Whitman, and he had made preliminary plans to go into hiding, while imploring Pete to dump the account. Pete, while still envious of Don's position realized the true value of his presence at the firm and got rid of the account, lying to the other partners besides Don...
@tucsonia ...without much explanation why the account suddenly went away, other than that he had mishandled it, "fucked up" so to speak. Pete realized that this would damage his professional reputation, yet he took the scorn of the other partners beside Draper to stategically take this hit.
wow i forgot, how the lines of this scene went. truly amazing, and how peter and dons relationship has changed throught the seasons is truly amazing. No one will ever know how loyalty is born.
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Its kinda hard to believe that its the same "Robert Morse" from Broadway. During the 60's this guy was one of the mainstays of Broadway..during the great time of the original Mad Men of New York..U can look at him in his younger days: "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying"..and I will always remember him also from the Ed Sullivan Shows of the 60's..doing his scene's from Broadway..
@tszhok Classic isn't it? Couldn't have said it any better..that is why I love this series..how in the hell do they come up with the scripts for this show..Classic, pure Classic work!
Those men sure are mad
Megazord5 1 week ago
Let me rephrase.. I love the look on Don's face..
illiterateno2 3 weeks ago
I love Don's face..
illiterateno2 3 weeks ago
Just finished the first season. It seems to get better every episode.
TimWarrior 1 month ago
DRAPER/WHITMAN- 1. CAMPBELL- 0. PETE GOT OWENED. what a little bitch. I definitely didn't think it would have gone that way. We all know Pete only wanted to out Don because he didn't like him not because of the safety of SC. Burt didn't even care. Pete is so dumb.
cche16 1 month ago
There's more profit in forgetting this.
pablpfanque 1 month ago
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Love it! "I assure you there's more profit in forgetting this. I'd put your energy into bringing in accounts".
alamc200 1 month ago
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alamc200 1 month ago
boardwalk empire is better
BobThePatriot 1 month ago
@BobThePatriot Mad Men is still good though
orourkeda 1 month ago
This was a great scene
gaguy1967 2 months ago
This is the scene that made me intro a Mad Men fan. I did not fall in love with this series like so many; I didn't like any of the characters, especially Don and Pete. Then we got Don's backstory and this episode and it all made sense. This was a different kind of show; a very slow burning character study. Really cool scene.
psychicriver 2 months ago
best scene because ever since then Pete has been loyal to Don to death ..pete would go to war for him.
NickLionel 2 months ago
0:40 If someone stared at me like that I'd shit myself.
razarsenal180 3 months ago
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"Don,fire him if you want"
tedrossi2121 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Thetruecinephile
"One never knows how loyalty is born." Perfect writing on that line as it pertains to Don/Pete and to Cooper/Don at the same time.
erikmchatton 4 months ago 3
pretentious as fuck
hameed 4 months ago
Brilliant scene. The powers that be all have skeletons in their closet. At the end of the day it comes down to the bottom line and profits.
Tigerlily21 4 months ago 2
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"If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense."...kind of agreeing with this. Blast those emmys for clouding my judgement. xD
Ahiru77 5 months ago
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"If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense."......kind of agreeing with this. Blast those emmys for clouding my judgement. xD
Ahiru77 5 months ago
Cooper was happy that Pete told him this. It gave Cooper a tool that he could use to handle Don and force him to his own will. Don never signed a contract so he had all the power... Pete just gave Cooper the power over Don.
SagaciousSilence 5 months ago
When U watch this show..its "Americana" at its heart..Great show and can't wait for the new season.
billeagle51 5 months ago
He's a douche, but he's the most interesting character, which is saying a LOT.
willkillyoulast 6 months ago
@willkillyoulast agreed! pete is such a interesting character, im always wondering what he is going to do next.
deionc 3 months ago
@deionc Exactly. There's something about someone so epically flawed and petty, yet obviously ji=us really insecure, that's interesting. It's interesting to watch.
willkillyoulast 3 months ago
F-U Pete.
papermermaid 6 months ago 4
We see later, and even maybe see a little bit of it here, that Cooper isn't as indifferent to this revelation about Don Draper as the phrase "who cares?" might suggest. His goal here, at least in my mind, is not to say that this secret doesn't matter. His goal is to put Pete Campbell in his place and make him realize that he's going to have to do better than snitching on his superiors if he wants to get ahead in this business.
yankeeangel26 6 months ago
@yankeeangel26 True but I also think he really means it. His Japanese quote is proof. Plus, Cooper and Sterling's old man were able to turn out profits during the depression. Guaranteed they did some shaddy stuff and work with some shaddy characters in order to make that happen!
thebopper99 6 months ago
@thebopper99 Oh yeah, Cooper's definitely not anywhere near as bothered by it as Campbell probably thought he would be--most likely for the reasons you mentioned. And while Cooper uses this knowledge about Draper to his advantage later on, I think that's really more about what's good for the business rather than any personal outrage over what Don had done years before.
yankeeangel26 6 months ago
@yankeeangel26 Exactly. Cooper is smart enough to know while Pete Campbell is a dime a dozen, Draper is pretty much one in a million. Plus now, Cooper knows Draper will be royal to them even more since they looked beyond his "stetchy past".
thebopper99 6 months ago
"One never knows how loyalty is born." I love that line.
operaticxingenue 7 months ago 5
If this is the best Mad Men has to offer I won't be watching. God damn this is trite. You know some B- english major was so proud to hack out this nonsense.
aluisious 7 months ago
@aluisious
Congrats on using the word trite. I'm sure your professor will be proud.
In all seriousness, this is not at all trite. That's exactly what I hope and expect someone would say in that situation. It works because it ISN'T nonsense. What is the first thing that comes to anyone's head when a self-righteous brown-noser goes off on an empty rant in a blatant attempt to impress a higher up? That's right: "Who the hell cares?" Most shows don't have the mind to realize this. Mad Men does.
Piecesof8 6 months ago
@aluisious
Well obviously if you don't watch the show you wouldn't understand the significance of this scene and the way the actors and producers dealt with it. Piss off and watch something more unconventional if you find this so 'trite', you pretentious ass bag.
nzkiwipride 2 months ago
Ironically Don would have saved himself a lot of trouble if he had given the job to Campbell instead of Duck Phillips, but he couldn't allow himself to be blackmailed, so that was the only way...
david552 7 months ago
@david552 It's not just pride, but a practical consideration of how long this could go. If he gives into Pete now when will it stop? Better to nip it in the bud now instead of having Peter forever thinking that he owns Don.
tucsonia 6 months ago
@tucsonia yeah - that's what I mean. Pride was in it sure, but Pete in those days was such a scheming asshole, you couldn't let him get anything on you.
david552 6 months ago
the loyalty comment was meant about Draper to Cooper
talpajam 7 months ago 3
Great fucking show.
BarryDennen12 7 months ago
really thought that this was going to be earthshattering...but the surprises are unexpected on this show "one never knows how loyalty is born" bravo
theflorgeormix 7 months ago
Bert should have said "Want us to call you Dick? No? Anything else?"
VolumeTurnedDown 7 months ago
Absolutely brilliant show. Its one of those rare programmes that when people ask you what it's about, Im slightly taken aback and just say 'Watch it'. Amazing.
h4r4 8 months ago 4
Fantastic quote: "One never knows how loyalty is born."
Guillotine996 8 months ago 4
@Guillotine996 Wow. This show never stops amazing me. I somehow missed this in Season 1. The scene throbbed with anguish and insight.
coyotesong 8 months ago
Who let Campbell cast a vote?
RobertLowellPoetry 8 months ago 7
Today, there would be an H.R. inquiry and the rest of the company would need counseling. My GOD, where are the MEN anymore?
johnhenryhohandle 8 months ago 5
brilliant...brilliant conscience and Subconscience examination throughout this show
theflorgeormix 9 months ago
This scene screams America! This country was built upon war, blood, and violence. We Americans attempt for godliness while sinning along the way.
SagaciousSilence 10 months ago 6
@SagaciousSilence Who cares?
zdgoody 10 months ago 8
"I'd put your energy into bringing in accounts" Priceless!
jcfrmcali 10 months ago 3
That is one genius script.
MancerEvan 11 months ago 5
A man is whatever room he is in. Awesome.
GradiusMojo 11 months ago 2
haha
ilu2wootwoot 1 year ago
What does he meant by "One never knows how loyalty is born".
Can somebody explain this to me ?
Thanks :)
Bracerjack 1 year ago
@Bracerjack Loyalty can be born through admiration, grudging hatred, respect. If pete cant unseat Don, his constant striving to be respected by Don might make him an unlikely ally ( this show is written quite well and ambiguously so it could easily mean something else entirely)
tiemedown 1 year ago
@tiemedown
Thanks for the explaination :)
Bracerjack 1 year ago
@Bracerjack Pete knows that his "Plan" to reveal Don blew up in his face. Thus the statement: Fire him if you want...but I would keep an eye on him.."One never knows how loyalty is born" Means that Pete knows that Don has the authority to fire him..yet by not doing so after betraying him, this will instill gratitude in Pete and therefore loyalty. In the same since that if you save a persons life they feel indebted to you.
cherrydarlingxoxo 1 year ago
@cherrydarlingxoxo
Thank you :)
Now I have a better understanding of the scene :)
Bracerjack 1 year ago
@cherrydarlingxoxo Loyalty WAS instilled. Remember the episode when Pete landed the account of a top-level US government agency. Don realized that the subsequent BIs of him and other execs potentially could reveal him as Dick Whitman, and he had made preliminary plans to go into hiding, while imploring Pete to dump the account. Pete, while still envious of Don's position realized the true value of his presence at the firm and got rid of the account, lying to the other partners besides Don...
tucsonia 11 months ago 3
@tucsonia ...without much explanation why the account suddenly went away, other than that he had mishandled it, "fucked up" so to speak. Pete realized that this would damage his professional reputation, yet he took the scorn of the other partners beside Draper to stategically take this hit.
tucsonia 11 months ago
and he shut him downnnnnnn LOL put your energy into your job dude lol
HoneyChild 1 year ago 2
wow i forgot, how the lines of this scene went. truly amazing, and how peter and dons relationship has changed throught the seasons is truly amazing. No one will ever know how loyalty is born.
ericorenato88 1 year ago
such a great scene.
jpgr69 1 year ago
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rakunus 1 year ago 20
@rakunus what does that mean?
xxonebludxx 1 year ago
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rakunus 9 months ago
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rakunus 9 months ago
Its kinda hard to believe that its the same "Robert Morse" from Broadway. During the 60's this guy was one of the mainstays of Broadway..during the great time of the original Mad Men of New York..U can look at him in his younger days: "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying"..and I will always remember him also from the Ed Sullivan Shows of the 60's..doing his scene's from Broadway..
billeagle51 1 year ago 2
He found about about "Don's" past by going through his mail, so how was he planning to explain that?
IggyHazard 1 year ago
have a smoke man...ha ha..
adrianosoc 1 year ago
This show is pure art..great scene!
billeagle51 1 year ago 2
LOL!!!!
fishorama 1 year ago
"This country was built and run by men with worse stories than whatever you've imagined here."
i nearly clapped my hands when watching.
tszhok 1 year ago 134
@tszhok Classic isn't it? Couldn't have said it any better..that is why I love this series..how in the hell do they come up with the scripts for this show..Classic, pure Classic work!
billeagle51 1 year ago 3
love it
wassup7777777777 1 year ago