Hugh Ross : Objections to Christianity 2 of 9 Apologetics

[NoahIV]

You do a lot of generalizations of Atheism. I understand it as much as a response to the generalization many atheists do of Christians, but let the fools generalize. I am Atheist, I don't fit many of your accusations leveled at atheists.

I'm but one person, but if you care for the extra effort, it be more respectable to specify accusations at atheists to only apply to a specific argument not all atheists make.

Other than that, thanks for these videos. And you are funny, occasionally.

[grandconjunct]

Atheism supposedly doesn't make truth claims but atheists do, there is no getting around that.

I only try to be funny occasionally.

[nophxorph]

Suffering is pain, pain is a nervous system response to help us avoid injury and death through learning to avoid tissue damage. Many animals use a similar pain/nervous system to avoid damage and death.

[grandconjunct]

Religious folk are well aware that humans/animals have a nervous system that causes Pain, What Atheists are almost always unaware of is their Idea that Pain = Evil ? Is simply an assertion, it reduces to Pain is bad because, Pain is Bad. completely circular reasoning, then the Atheists Thinks if your life is painful you should be Euathanized! and if you don't want to die and still think your life is meaningful they brow beat you into being Euthanized because its to expensive to keep you alive

[tghetto5]

What about people with retardation, sctizophrneia, MPD etc. etc. Why does it seem God has no control over his creations? why is it that someone with Sctitzophrenia is at a greater risk of having sctizophrnic kids then someone without? How will retards be judged? what is there "test?" I doubt life is a test from a "Just" god, if it were you would expect the test to be "just" and we all know, life isnt fair, I cant compare my struggles to that of a 19 year old in an african slum.

[grandconjunct]

Part 1> Earth is not a vacation spot or mini Heaven made of matter it's a world effected by billions of free choices before you got here and the people who come after you will be effected by your free choices you are now making. Yes the world contains unjust suffering ,God operates in this world primarily through us its our world we need to learn from it, Gods job is to undo the injustices we cause via the next world, Is there an Understanding of the next world that can make even a Holocaust

[grandconjunct]

Part 2 > ... that can make even a Holocaust seem like only spillt ice cream in contrast ?

I have been told there is. Atheists whine about God not fixing their bad choices in this world so typical of lazy atheists, Have you done anything to make the world a more just place besides for denying God and by extension objective good and evil seeing only blind pitiless indifference ? If not you are the problem not the Solution. Atheism has no solutions.

[grandconjunct]

Part 3> How will God "judge retards" As you put it ? probably the same way he judges millions of aborted babies who never had a chance to do anything good or bad, they will either be judged by the light they have or were simply not accountable at all. Atheism has no solutions to Evil they just deny it exists , you have no other choice without God.

[memoryhero]

So, when a fetus dies, it gets to skip a lifetime of "pain" and go straight to the rewards?

[grandconjunct]

Obviously the pain is less so the rewards or more accurately the "growth" will probably be less also.

[memoryhero]

If heaven is really "paradise", something tells me miscarriages aren't going to care about a having few less lollipops than their neighbors.

Or maybe they will, and form some group in heaven as aggrieved for never having had a chance to grow.

I can see it now. Heaven's Angels. Motorcycles and leather jackets.

[grandconjunct]

memory>If heaven is really "paradise", something tells me miscarriages aren't going to care about a having few less lollipops than their neighbors.

>> Maybe we don't have all the data ? maybe we chose our lives and its risks in some sense like the early Augustine said ? maybe we all get exactly what we wanted in the end. I don't think there will be any jealously at all in heaven, Jealousy bordem etc that will all be in Hell with all other deformations of perfections.

[DrStevenz]

Great points in this video. Every flower has to grow through dirt.

[grandconjunct]

No Pain No Gain

[darkforce333]

All pain no gain in hell.

[grandconjunct]

darkforce 333 > All pain no gain in hell.

grand >> No check out my NDE's &

Atheism video of a man getting lots of gain out of Hell, and getting more gain for others by warning them about it.

besides some models of Hell having its purpose more for balancing the universe by literally undoing the pain we caused others, as opposed to just for torture, so that would be even more gain. But other than that people are free to choose to have no Gain for themselves if they like, its Called free agency.

[MPaulHolmes]

Thanks for posting!!

[ByzantineChristian]

Thanks for uploading these chats... I "discovered" Hugh Ross in Puerto Rico... My cousin was a Darwinian Atheist until he studied Ross's books! God bless you.

[grandconjunct]

I was a half hearted Jr. apologist till i started watching your videos Byzantine , "

then i realized i gotta step things up a bit.

God bless you Byzantine"