I've never heard this song with a full orchestra before. I've heard it in a string orchestra, and it is AMAZING, but it sounds sooo much better with a full orchestra. <3
How can anyone compare this or other great works to Ke$ha or Justin Bieber. It's beyond comprehension since those artists will be merely footnotes in the narrative of music, let alone rock n roll. There is simply no room for them.
i was told by someone who was told... by told by another who told them.. there were no great composors in the 20th. century....... (yep, ignorance is bliss and they had the capacity to eject people from their livelihoods...... those enriched by their world and appreciated it.) and that person, to this day lives on, debauching... i'm glad... because they are sooo inept that their own inability can't branch out and figuratively unify definitives and seek how wrong they are...
this means the world to me know Chuck and Seiji, Gus and I were in HS Orch together in 1973-1974. Met Chuck after my dad said he knew him. He was FLABBERGASTED, going to find he and others. Prayers for the Hurricane Belt more love 1 womb 1 heart 1 love 1 life
Very slow version - an astonishing horn performance since it is so hard to maintain the airstream for such a long duration, at a high pitch & softly. Ravel f avored a faster tempo, but any way it's played it is beautiful
@Bornx2xLive aw c'mon, you know what I mean, and sorry! I couldn't think of the right word. This is youtube you know, not school. And she really has no talent at all! Only the beat of the song makes the song catchy.
@karatesushi Of course not, don't look at this so simplistically. Of course there were thousands of composers during Ravel's time who composed absolute trash and were famous for it. But they died out as fast as the Jonas Brothers died out or Ke$sha will die out. The really high-quality modern music, i.e. Brian Eno, Radiohead, the Beatles, Nirvana, the real pioneers, are going to be the ones that stand the test of time.
Slower than Ormandy/Philadelphia Orch version, here on YouTube, but closer to the tempo used by Ravel on the several piano renditions here on Youtube performed by Ravel himself. I prefer Ormandy's slightly faster version, but this one is also quite good. As a horn player, I have tried this piece, the slower version is a real challenge to for a full breath and playing the long introductory notes without running out of air - gasp! Also, a pavane is a slow dance - too slow is undanceable.
i love how much he looks like yoda, i would not be able to keep a straight face with him as a conductor, i would just repeat everything he said like yoda does, "play faster you must", "the notes, more legato they must be" lol
I find it amusing that Ravel is best known, at least in the U.S.A., for his Bolero, which Ravel himself regarded as mediocre. I prefer much of his other work, such as the Pavane, Ma Mere l'Oye, Le Tombeau de Couperin, and Valses Nobles et Sentimentales.
@jorgegrillo55 Creo que lo he explicado, pero si no se entiende bien lo que quise decir no me importa explicarlo de nuevo. En cualquier caso, si Ravel le puso el título a la pavana porque le gustaba como sonaban las efes en lugar de para expresar tal o cual sentimiento... eso no repercute para nada en la calidad de la música, que seguirá siendo igual de buena. Y en eso seguro que si estamos de acuerdo. Pues ya está, es solo eso. A lo mejor es que también lo expresé muy radicalmente, jejeje.
this is a beautiful piece b/c the first time i heard it was right after 9/11. so when i hear this it brings back feelings of sadness, and fear. it's a very haunting piece makes the hair on my arms stand up b/c it's so beautiful
Es gracioso ver las paranoias romanticonas que se montan los oyentes de esta música en cuanto a su supuesto significado, etc... cuando parece ser que Ravel le puso el título porque le gustaba la aliteración de la f en "inFante deFunte". Lo cual no hace que la música sea menos bonita.
@jorgegrillo55 Podría ser... Pero no confundamos música y "literatura", es decir este tipo de explicaciones. Sencillamente no estoy de acuerdo en que atribuyamos a la música un significado subjetivo y lo pongamos por delante de ella. Eso está bien para inculcar a los niños que no la conocen el gusto por la música "clásica", pero no es útil permanecer en este nivel de percepción siempre. La música es más que eso.
I had the privelige of attending many concerts conducted in L.A. by Mr. Ozawa, he is a true maestro. And this piece is so sad, becauxe it reminds us of the sadness of death and loss but also the beauty of the life just lived.
Ravel and Debussy are similar in their harmonic structure and color because they are both impressionistic in style. That being said, Pavane is similar to "Flaxen Hair", but they are definitely recognizably different. Of course "Flaxen is one of my favorite pieces. The passage after the climactic buildup is one of the most beautiful written ever. Pardon the reference, but it's like an orgasm after great foreplay.
I like many here aren't educated about composer's Ravel and Debussy. I can hear the complexity of the harmony Ravel uses throughout parts of this theme. Seems he was ahead of his time for many of these chords are embellished dominant seventh chords which were later developed to a full extent among jazz players. Pianist Bill Evans played and studied Ravel. Did Debussy explore advanced harmonic color tones as exhibited in the Pavane, and if so what material of his would you recommend?
I like this music a lot, but I always get confused when I hear Ravel's work and then pieces by Claude Debussy. The music now playing reminds me of "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair." They seem like clones.
Very good interpretation... maybe because everyone know that the Boston Symphony Oschestra is a wonderful orchestra and if it's under Ozawa direction, it just can be better and magical ! Congratulations !
C'est ainsi que je préfère cette Pavane de Ravel. SEIJI OZAWA dirrige magistralement toute la profondeur et les remous de cette oeuvre. Ah OUI ET BRAVO. OZAWA est un magicien le maestro à la mesure de Ravel Franco-Espagnol... quel beau moment!
Je consente tout à fait à votre commentaire; depuis un certain temps je suis à la recherche de la "bonne" interprétation de cette oeuvre - et voilà: je l'ai trouvée!
Take this music, and let it be the means of self reflection. You've only displayed your own ignorance and insecurity in putting down others who appreciate all musical institutions. Ravel- a Frenchman just like you was able to craft music that trancends any worldy limitations, yet you stain all of humanity's image with your naivety and ignorance. When you listen to this music once more, do you still the face to make those comments again?
Jaime beaucoup les interpretations d' ozawa en général mais là e préfère la versoion d'eugène ORMANDY que je vous invite à écouter (possible sur You tube)
yep. dis song relle reminds me of so much sad stuff like my grandma's death. my orchetra is gonna do dis song next week in a concert and wer dedicating it to the ppl who died in the holocaust.
ahahahaha: 'good day to you, sir' as a dismissal ... you've been watching too many 1930s British movies! people don't really talk like that
(your response should be, "I SAID GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR!!" as you turn crisply on your heal ... that would be perfectly in keeping with the trite 1930s dialogue)
a tad too slow for my liking. Ravel did express directly that he didn't like the piece being played too slowly. His metronome marking of crotchet 54 is perfect for the piece. Wonderful sound but just too slow for me,
I'm going to conduct this piece tomorrow and my score has a quarter note=69. This recording is much slower than that. I agree that the tempo should be a little quicker. I found a quote by Ravel when he attended a performance he thought to be too slow. He said, "It's a pavane for a dead princess not a dead pavane for a princess." Funny.
BAH! NO! The piano version should be slow enough that you feel your breathing in your elbows. The orchestral version should feel the same! This is a good tempo, but it's missing a little breathing impulse
Well said. I do like this slower tempo, but you put your finger on what was missing. We played this piece years ago in school, arranged for strings, and we played it at a similar tempo. I remember it felt very sad to me; maybe we were just playing that badly, or maybe it was different playing it, as opposed to just listening to it.
ozawa sucks. what a phony!! i heard that at one time he was trying to get rid of harold wright-the greatest clarinet of all time. if that is true that guy should be deported
You can still hate a person even if that person is a legendary instrument player. Ozawa was never good at big, symphonic Mahlerian things, but he was great in ballets and music to soothe your mind, like Ravel.
did you hear about the wright thing as well? not only was he the best but from what i can tell a great guy too. what the heck didnt ozawa have against him. by the way, i knew a trombone in sf symphony who played under him when he was there and hated him. i think he tries to be like bernstein with his big movements an all but its all for show-
No, I did not know about the Wright thing. I don't know too many clarinetists. I'll admit it, he's no Bernstein and sucks at symphonies. However, his showy techniques are very effective on many pieces. Look at the bright side!
Anyway, do you know about Mitropoulos and Rattle? The orchestras HATED them. And (I don't like Rattle, though) Mitropoulos is a great conductor...
All the great conductors have probably experienced some conflicts with their musicians, after all one person is leading a group of over 100. Mehta and Ozawa, do you think they wouldn't have suffered from a little bit of racial prejudice. Abbado if you watched his first rehearsal with the Berliner Philharmoniker, its clear their attitude towards him wasn't great. we can't judge someones ability by what a small group of radicals say. to say the least Ozawa is still a very down to earth guy.
Ozawa is pretty funny, I guess. And he is best at ballet music, not all that serious Mahler Symphony stuff. He made a recording of the Mahler 4th, though.
Anyway, you should listen to Reiner's rendition. It focuses a little more on the "hidden sounds".
Sometimes I can't find all of them, so I guess I miss a part of the piece, I guess. I haven't heard Dutoit's though, and I always thought Reiner has a little more playful feeling while this is a little more richer, deep sound.
I've never heard this song with a full orchestra before. I've heard it in a string orchestra, and it is AMAZING, but it sounds sooo much better with a full orchestra. <3
MsKcv123 3 weeks ago
I love this music! Our orchestra is playing this piece, I love it! <3
MsKcv123 3 weeks ago
Mes oui mes enfants and ami. Cest trez magnificue votre non et vous. J'aime le orchestra et fortitudinale passoir.
SuperBarnaby12 1 month ago
How can anyone compare this or other great works to Ke$ha or Justin Bieber. It's beyond comprehension since those artists will be merely footnotes in the narrative of music, let alone rock n roll. There is simply no room for them.
Ilisten2ufly 1 month ago
A composition that ought to be more widely appreciated...
jonahansen 2 months ago
本当にそう見えてくるなｗ
masnem1111 2 months ago
小澤さんがヨーダみたいってｗ
外国ではそういう風に親しまれてるのかなｗ
skymadder 3 months ago
Simplesmente Fantastica essa obra
Deusa243 3 months ago
Another amazing fact is that the solo hornist (Charles Kavaloski) was a Ph. D. physics professor before becoming a professional hornist.
Lorenzo8D 3 months ago 6
Maurice Ravel, que coisa mais linda: será a música do meu funeral sem dúvida...
Deusa243 3 months ago
Absolutamente fantastica!!!
Deusa243 3 months ago
癒される・・・
1976hanamizuki 4 months ago
i was told by someone who was told... by told by another who told them.. there were no great composors in the 20th. century....... (yep, ignorance is bliss and they had the capacity to eject people from their livelihoods...... those enriched by their world and appreciated it.) and that person, to this day lives on, debauching... i'm glad... because they are sooo inept that their own inability can't branch out and figuratively unify definitives and seek how wrong they are...
springloadedchicken 4 months ago
playing this song is so much fun on cello
1995missusagi 5 months ago 2
@1995missusagi Indeed!
ElMisionero96 4 months ago
@1995missusagi and on viola! :P
analgary 4 months ago
@1995missusagi Oooh, hadn't thought of that!! Would love to play it!
Cellogirl1000 4 months ago
@1995missusagi im not a cello, but i love to play it! (i play viola)
MsKcv123 3 weeks ago
Lindo, maravilhoso,deve ser pra coisas assim que nascemos...
karatekakarateka 5 months ago
This will also be played at my funeral, indeed. Gorgeous masterpiece. Hail to Ravel....my favorite of all time; this really has feeling.
taffywindsor1 6 months ago
Bello, bello
Ika2040 6 months ago
i love this piece so much! and this is good, but i think some parts are too quick though. ha
goshbeergosh 6 months ago
this means the world to me know Chuck and Seiji, Gus and I were in HS Orch together in 1973-1974. Met Chuck after my dad said he knew him. He was FLABBERGASTED, going to find he and others. Prayers for the Hurricane Belt more love 1 womb 1 heart 1 love 1 life
TheAnnafisher 7 months ago
Very slow version - an astonishing horn performance since it is so hard to maintain the airstream for such a long duration, at a high pitch & softly. Ravel f avored a faster tempo, but any way it's played it is beautiful
AMAC48 7 months ago 2
conucts
EclecticFilms1 7 months ago
my sax quintet is playing this for our recital in a few days. it's so beautiful.
amschu04 8 months ago
@amschu04 Sax quintet??? Nooo! It will lose Ravel's orchestration!
Jimbothenoob 6 months ago 2
Its a shame how the modern world is dominated by idiots in the world like Ke$ha. With no talent at all. Is mankind progressing in reverse?
karatesushi 8 months ago 5
@karatesushi Did you mean regressing? lol? progress means to go forward...
Don't label others as idiots until you can communicate properly.
Bornx2xLive 7 months ago
@Bornx2xLive aw c'mon, you know what I mean, and sorry! I couldn't think of the right word. This is youtube you know, not school. And she really has no talent at all! Only the beat of the song makes the song catchy.
karatesushi 7 months ago
@karatesushi Of course not, don't look at this so simplistically. Of course there were thousands of composers during Ravel's time who composed absolute trash and were famous for it. But they died out as fast as the Jonas Brothers died out or Ke$sha will die out. The really high-quality modern music, i.e. Brian Eno, Radiohead, the Beatles, Nirvana, the real pioneers, are going to be the ones that stand the test of time.
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rkotcher 9 months ago
i'm playing this piece right now :]] love it
sk8erbear305 9 months ago
I seem to enjoy the piece more when played on a piano, but either way it is a beautiful piece of music.
moreradnick 10 months ago
EXCELENTE.
alfarosapiens 10 months ago
This image is wonderful.
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I think that I become a comfort of a lot of people in Japan.
AndanteAmabile 11 months ago
I can't get over how beautiful and serene it is. Absolutely amazing.
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I come here and play this more than ten in a day recently. . perfectly beautiful..
meltedrumraisin 1 year ago
I come here and play this more than ten in a day recently. . perfectly beautiful..
meltedrumraisin 1 year ago
Just absolutely wonderful !
laurentg2008 1 year ago
we're playing this for 8th grade symphony orch. i feel bad about myself now. :)
russcan123 1 year ago
@russcan123 Just think you're teaching an amazing piece to children.
J077535 1 year ago
@J077535 oh, no, i mean im in the 8th grade and btw we got 1's in UIL on this song. (which is the best you can get)
russcan123 1 year ago
@russcan123 HaHaHa, We have already played this, and thats 10-15 year olds, and we have won awards, so grade 8? Bring it!
madandlu 1 year ago
Slower than Ormandy/Philadelphia Orch version, here on YouTube, but closer to the tempo used by Ravel on the several piano renditions here on Youtube performed by Ravel himself. I prefer Ormandy's slightly faster version, but this one is also quite good. As a horn player, I have tried this piece, the slower version is a real challenge to for a full breath and playing the long introductory notes without running out of air - gasp! Also, a pavane is a slow dance - too slow is undanceable.
AMAC48 1 year ago
ahh asi uno quisiera morir mil veces
TaniaKate92 1 year ago
Realmente te paras, escuhas y lloras. Sigues pues la muesca que te quita no te incompleta. Gracias.
BeerTran 1 year ago
which is the true compassion for other?
darkbatu 1 year ago
dirigée et jouée avec une grande sensibilité!
mayou59500 1 year ago
Pavane pour une infante défunte et Tombeau de couperin, deux pièces maîtresses de Ravel. ICI dirigée avec une grande sensibilité!
mayou59500 1 year ago
i love how much he looks like yoda, i would not be able to keep a straight face with him as a conductor, i would just repeat everything he said like yoda does, "play faster you must", "the notes, more legato they must be" lol
not meant to cause offense
TSUTCLIFF 1 year ago 30
Masterful, simply MASTERFUL!!!!
kkesoj 1 year ago
this piece along with claire de lune of debussy are my favorite impressionist pieces
exia32 1 year ago
What a beautiful interpretation of a beautiful piece.
emilygclarinet 1 year ago 3
Seiji Ozawa is just amazing! I love the video where he is conducting Dvorak's "Silent Woods", interpreted by Yo-Yo Ma.
Sonorense815 1 year ago
I like this beautifully conducted arraingement. Bless whoever made this avialable to us..
tonygumbrell22 1 year ago
I find it amusing that Ravel is best known, at least in the U.S.A., for his Bolero, which Ravel himself regarded as mediocre. I prefer much of his other work, such as the Pavane, Ma Mere l'Oye, Le Tombeau de Couperin, and Valses Nobles et Sentimentales.
GrandpaFunnyHat 1 year ago 3
@GrandpaFunnyHat it's my think also
fouloas 1 year ago
Is this performance with the Boston Symphony Orchestra?
malthuswasright 1 year ago
this has gotta be one of the finest interpretation ever of this much-loved Pavane by Ravel. Love Seiji Ozawa and this orchestra.
rockingbeethoven 1 year ago
Ravel = GENIUS
peppersax 1 year ago 4
Ravel, Debussy, Satie. Geniuses, all of them.
thesuburbanelectric 1 year ago
@thesuburbanelectric obviously a fan of impressionaistic music :3 what do ya think of faure?
quinntissentialmusic 1 year ago
I love the recording! Go Ravel!
davisonincmusic 1 year ago
Beautifully played. TY.
paulostroff99 1 year ago
Ｔｈｅ Ｍｕｓｉｃ ｆｏｒ ｍｙ ｆｕｎｅｒａｌ．
tommym62 1 year ago
Es tan bonita, qué no me canso de escucharla!!!
lesatz4 1 year ago
Cette pavane lancinante interpelle le coeur et l'âme. Très profondément.
eretriaful 1 year ago
that's a hornist with a huge breath
iwanabana 1 year ago
いつもこの曲を聴くと悲しくなり自然に涙ぐむメロディーです。
adradoll 1 year ago
le cor j'adore!!!!!!!!!!!!
hornstar1000 1 year ago
La Pavana para una infanta difunta es una pieza de Ravel que me gusta mucho e interpretada bajo la direccion del Mtro. Osawa es una delicia.
anzdf 1 year ago
El tuyo es un buen punto, si lo explicas... pero concédele al romanticismo un poco de encanto que nada mal le viene a este mundo. Saludos.
jorgegrillo55 1 year ago
@jorgegrillo55 Creo que lo he explicado, pero si no se entiende bien lo que quise decir no me importa explicarlo de nuevo. En cualquier caso, si Ravel le puso el título a la pavana porque le gustaba como sonaban las efes en lugar de para expresar tal o cual sentimiento... eso no repercute para nada en la calidad de la música, que seguirá siendo igual de buena. Y en eso seguro que si estamos de acuerdo. Pues ya está, es solo eso. A lo mejor es que también lo expresé muy radicalmente, jejeje.
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
Música maravillosa, Música de ensueño...!!!
jorgegrillo55 1 year ago
Fantastic...
sakurai15 1 year ago
C'est une des meilleur version que j'ai entendu, c'est tellement magnifique, ça donnerai même les larmes aux yeux...
leolol007 1 year ago
@Sinfoniette screw u 2 i love this song you don't no quality music
queennwanna1 1 year ago
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MarcheseCadmio88 1 year ago
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queennwanna1 1 year ago
I'm playing this solo arranged for horn and piano at state tomorrow. I love it.
ropeforcash94 1 year ago
this is a beautiful piece b/c the first time i heard it was right after 9/11. so when i hear this it brings back feelings of sadness, and fear. it's a very haunting piece makes the hair on my arms stand up b/c it's so beautiful
pixiegrrl69 1 year ago
Es gracioso ver las paranoias romanticonas que se montan los oyentes de esta música en cuanto a su supuesto significado, etc... cuando parece ser que Ravel le puso el título porque le gustaba la aliteración de la f en "inFante deFunte". Lo cual no hace que la música sea menos bonita.
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
@juanmaMCMLXXXII La que sí parece paranoia romántica es la tuya, sólo estudia un poco de música en tus momentos libres. Saludos.
jorgegrillo55 1 year ago
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juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
@jorgegrillo55 Podría ser... Pero no confundamos música y "literatura", es decir este tipo de explicaciones. Sencillamente no estoy de acuerdo en que atribuyamos a la música un significado subjetivo y lo pongamos por delante de ella. Eso está bien para inculcar a los niños que no la conocen el gusto por la música "clásica", pero no es útil permanecer en este nivel de percepción siempre. La música es más que eso.
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
I had the privelige of attending many concerts conducted in L.A. by Mr. Ozawa, he is a true maestro. And this piece is so sad, becauxe it reminds us of the sadness of death and loss but also the beauty of the life just lived.
nicodagger 1 year ago
you spelled conducts wrong. "conucts"
AltoRules 1 year ago
Stunning!
Drakoniuxte 1 year ago
Another short piece of incredibly moving music that has haunted me for years.
I can now attach a name to it.
Thank-you from the bottom of my heart!
mooozer14 1 year ago
Absolutely beautiful!
arachnoidcysts 1 year ago 13
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Agreed. And that's all that needs to be said.
wd336 1 year ago
Ehh. I say it's an awsome peace but I like our quartet for four cellos version better. And I'm not saying this isn't good. So don't hate, 'kay?
Mex1989x11 1 year ago
@Mex1989x11 Like to hear the Pavane from Ravel in your four-cello piece.
Than we can compare.
mountainharry 1 year ago
wonderful ♥
Pamel78 1 year ago
This has got to be the saddest piece ever written. beautiful but sad.
SuperMikeyg 1 year ago 3
This has got to be the saddest piece ever written. beautiful but sad.
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It sounds wonderful
estefaniaocampo 2 years ago 2
This piece is what Proust chose to have played at his funeral. Beautiful.
marksjur 2 years ago 53
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polymath7 2 years ago
@marksjur à l'enterrement de ma nièce de 24 ans, cette pavane fut jouée
mayou59500 1 year ago
Ravel and Debussy are similar in their harmonic structure and color because they are both impressionistic in style. That being said, Pavane is similar to "Flaxen Hair", but they are definitely recognizably different. Of course "Flaxen is one of my favorite pieces. The passage after the climactic buildup is one of the most beautiful written ever. Pardon the reference, but it's like an orgasm after great foreplay.
Fxtra09 2 years ago
I like many here aren't educated about composer's Ravel and Debussy. I can hear the complexity of the harmony Ravel uses throughout parts of this theme. Seems he was ahead of his time for many of these chords are embellished dominant seventh chords which were later developed to a full extent among jazz players. Pianist Bill Evans played and studied Ravel. Did Debussy explore advanced harmonic color tones as exhibited in the Pavane, and if so what material of his would you recommend?
gregoryusa1 1 year ago
It sounds wonderful.
yourforte 2 years ago 2
Wie sjun ken non-egerländermoezziek zieë! Richtig sjun, abrikoeës wa! Klasse bejinzolo
alucardessers 2 years ago
I like this music a lot, but I always get confused when I hear Ravel's work and then pieces by Claude Debussy. The music now playing reminds me of "The Girl with the Flaxen Hair." They seem like clones.
zeekwolfe 2 years ago
Most of times, the best interpretation of this song is that one who makes me feel soooooo sad =(
This is one of them... so, great work!!
caar780821 2 years ago 2
Very good interpretation... maybe because everyone know that the Boston Symphony Oschestra is a wonderful orchestra and if it's under Ozawa direction, it just can be better and magical ! Congratulations !
gwadacam 2 years ago 2
Good orchestra indeed. But i believe it's played a liiiiitle bit to slow. But again that's Ozawa's perception of this piece so....
minasgekos 2 years ago 3
Well, I apreciate it just the way Ozawa's did, perfect. Usually I think people play it
too fast.
gatofelixriodejaneir 2 years ago
I am playing this piece today and I am excited about my solo :) i hope will sounds good.
airish88 2 years ago
triste :(( mais beau :)
ricoutreize 2 years ago 2
Fantastic!! I )ve been never heard it before.
Ochestora performance can make this song having many kinds of nuance!
MYOHONI 2 years ago 6
The solo is so hard. :D
Hornist92 2 years ago 2
Prachtig, mooie zijdezachte uitvoering van deze pavanne
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radio4forum 2 years ago
Nice!Nice!Nice!
victorclub 2 years ago 3
C'est ainsi que je préfère cette Pavane de Ravel. SEIJI OZAWA dirrige magistralement toute la profondeur et les remous de cette oeuvre. Ah OUI ET BRAVO. OZAWA est un magicien le maestro à la mesure de Ravel Franco-Espagnol... quel beau moment!
543693The 2 years ago 6
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Je consente tout à fait à votre commentaire; depuis un certain temps je suis à la recherche de la "bonne" interprétation de cette oeuvre - et voilà: je l'ai trouvée!
Memale2009 2 years ago
meravigliosa bellezza,basta solo questa per rianscere e per trovare consolazione e forza per ritornare ad esistere
ossor75 2 years ago
to BernardProfitendieu
Take this music, and let it be the means of self reflection. You've only displayed your own ignorance and insecurity in putting down others who appreciate all musical institutions. Ravel- a Frenchman just like you was able to craft music that trancends any worldy limitations, yet you stain all of humanity's image with your naivety and ignorance. When you listen to this music once more, do you still the face to make those comments again?
toscaninizt 2 years ago 6
MERCI BEAUCOUP SINFONIETTE.
leontud 2 years ago
Jaime beaucoup les interpretations d' ozawa en général mais là e préfère la versoion d'eugène ORMANDY que je vous invite à écouter (possible sur You tube)
nonogilb 2 years ago
Makes me think of Palace at 4 AM, by Giacometti.
teleny2 2 years ago
Brilliant composer and orchestrator. This is one of my favorite pieces
ViolaBoi 2 years ago 3
has anyone played the string trio version of this?
i'm doing that now, it's lovely :)
some ultra high viola in treble clef !
calumbowen 2 years ago 7
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raito94 2 years ago
yep. dis song relle reminds me of so much sad stuff like my grandma's death. my orchetra is gonna do dis song next week in a concert and wer dedicating it to the ppl who died in the holocaust.
saskaenarut1 2 years ago
Corpus Christi has a Symphony Orchestra?!? I'll bet they cause a lot of tear shedding, in general.
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago
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raito94 2 years ago
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"I literally shed a single tear" ... oh, boo hoo hoo!!! you must be Corpus Christi's most pretentious hick ever!
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago
Please, explain what you mean.
Sinfoniette 2 years ago
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no, thank you.
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago
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raito94 2 years ago 4
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ahahahaha: 'good day to you, sir' as a dismissal ... you've been watching too many 1930s British movies! people don't really talk like that
(your response should be, "I SAID GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR!!" as you turn crisply on your heal ... that would be perfectly in keeping with the trite 1930s dialogue)
lolololol
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago
Quoting my great friend; "yay for trolls", and just to disable you from absurdly twisting meanings, yes that is a sarcasm.
I clearly do not see why you would call him a 'pretentious hick' - maybe you are! - and why you would bring up and attack the Corpus Cristi with it.
And scorning of his dismissal is just out of the line.
Good day to you, ma'am, whoever you are.:)
Sinfoniette 2 years ago
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yawn.
Quoting MY great friend, "only the desperately lonely insert themselves, uninvited, into others' dialogues"
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago
Hmm...i thought the last section was too "grand." I've always thought of the last bit as a memory of a memory of a memory.
nitenangel 2 years ago
Yea..I think so too.But a little bit.
taikotataite 2 years ago
I don't know if I like the french horn having the opening melody. I always imagined a flute or oboe handling it better.
prsnth1111 2 years ago
what a beautiful piece!
ejakulator1 2 years ago
This is no longer a pictorial Ravel...it breathes, but because it breathes, it no longer represents an ideal beauty...
Strangely, after listening to this several times, I do get tired of life...
caijpp 3 years ago
somehow the orchestral version of this seems to me bland and reductive, verging on easy listening almost
punkpoetry 3 years ago
a tad too slow for my liking. Ravel did express directly that he didn't like the piece being played too slowly. His metronome marking of crotchet 54 is perfect for the piece. Wonderful sound but just too slow for me,
kevalkeval1993 3 years ago
my band is playing this for a contest and we play it a little faster than this.
GoalieSoccer8 3 years ago
Keval, do you want me to post the Reiner rendition? It is a tad more faster and it has a different quality from the Ozawa...
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
That would be great thanks Sinfoniette. I haven't heard Reiner's recording before.
kevalkeval1993 3 years ago
Well, I was wrong. It wasn't really "faster", but it has a "lighter" feeling. Sorry!
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
I'm going to conduct this piece tomorrow and my score has a quarter note=69. This recording is much slower than that. I agree that the tempo should be a little quicker. I found a quote by Ravel when he attended a performance he thought to be too slow. He said, "It's a pavane for a dead princess not a dead pavane for a princess." Funny.
professormom108 2 years ago
BAH! NO! The piano version should be slow enough that you feel your breathing in your elbows. The orchestral version should feel the same! This is a good tempo, but it's missing a little breathing impulse
lucyliesinashes 2 years ago
Well said. I do like this slower tempo, but you put your finger on what was missing. We played this piece years ago in school, arranged for strings, and we played it at a similar tempo. I remember it felt very sad to me; maybe we were just playing that badly, or maybe it was different playing it, as opposed to just listening to it.
drewby613 2 years ago
I love seiji ozawa!!
tomoko5555 3 years ago
I'm with you!
rickstill122 3 years ago
i don't like seiji ozawa too much. but this recording is really great!
pan2010t 3 years ago
ozawa sucks. what a phony!! i heard that at one time he was trying to get rid of harold wright-the greatest clarinet of all time. if that is true that guy should be deported
joeenglert 3 years ago
You can still hate a person even if that person is a legendary instrument player. Ozawa was never good at big, symphonic Mahlerian things, but he was great in ballets and music to soothe your mind, like Ravel.
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
So I wouldn't like him doing the Tchaikovsky symphony 6, which is listed on "Related videos".
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
did you hear about the wright thing as well? not only was he the best but from what i can tell a great guy too. what the heck didnt ozawa have against him. by the way, i knew a trombone in sf symphony who played under him when he was there and hated him. i think he tries to be like bernstein with his big movements an all but its all for show-
joeenglert 3 years ago
No, I did not know about the Wright thing. I don't know too many clarinetists. I'll admit it, he's no Bernstein and sucks at symphonies. However, his showy techniques are very effective on many pieces. Look at the bright side!
Anyway, do you know about Mitropoulos and Rattle? The orchestras HATED them. And (I don't like Rattle, though) Mitropoulos is a great conductor...
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
yes thats true. i think all the really great conductors-toscannini, walter,szell etc are dead the rest-ozawa,mehta etc are cheap bernstein imitators.
joeenglert 3 years ago
NO WAY. Mehta? Listen to his Mahler Ressurection! You will change your attitude against him.
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
All the great conductors have probably experienced some conflicts with their musicians, after all one person is leading a group of over 100. Mehta and Ozawa, do you think they wouldn't have suffered from a little bit of racial prejudice. Abbado if you watched his first rehearsal with the Berliner Philharmoniker, its clear their attitude towards him wasn't great. we can't judge someones ability by what a small group of radicals say. to say the least Ozawa is still a very down to earth guy.
toscaninizt 2 years ago 3
ozawa is one of the best the world has seen?
DualThunder 3 years ago
I believe only Dutoit does a better Pavane. PTCello, what makes Ozawa so horrible?
rickstill122 3 years ago
Ozawa is pretty funny, I guess. And he is best at ballet music, not all that serious Mahler Symphony stuff. He made a recording of the Mahler 4th, though.
Anyway, you should listen to Reiner's rendition. It focuses a little more on the "hidden sounds".
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
I like getting to actively listen for "hidden sounds". I don't like them focussed in on for me.
rickstill122 3 years ago
Sometimes I can't find all of them, so I guess I miss a part of the piece, I guess. I haven't heard Dutoit's though, and I always thought Reiner has a little more playful feeling while this is a little more richer, deep sound.
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
That makes since. It's like what Ravel said to a pianist that played too slowly; "Remember, the enfant is dead, not the song."
rickstill122 3 years ago
Ah, so you found this. Ozawa isn't really that horrible; I actually find him decent, sometimes exceeding Karajan.
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
i love this, but ozawa is a terrible musician.
Thank you for posting. This piece always makes me cry... my Papa played the french horn
PTCello 3 years ago