@SecularNumanist The universe is not endless, that would imply infinity. Everything created is necessarily finite. Only the Creator, God, is infinite.
@KevinSolway I am most certainly making that assumption. God, the Creator of all, is separate and distinct from His creation. I reject both pantheism and panentheism.
@atticana If your God is not literally everything then it follows that your God is finite. This is a logical necessity, and there is no way around it.
Weininger's comments on the genius seem to be mostly right, but I have to reject this notion that any human being can fully transcend the influence of his own age. Aristotle, for instance, was a multifaceted genius and his works, while many of his ideas are original, can be placed in a historical context where he either built upon the works of previous thinkers who were also somewhat external to the mainstream or he even took up some mainstream assumptions such as sexism without question.
I think Otto was talking about fundamentals rather than contingent details. Every person has to re-invent the philosophical wheel. And those fundamentals transcend history and culture. I've always found cultural references in both Otto and Nietzsche to be a bit dodgy, depending on the context.
nice video, that mortin experiment i think its called should really not be done anymore. we've known what the results were since the 50s i don't know why people keep redoing it. it almost seams as cruel to do it as to cause suffering just because ordered.
That "guy" who got banned on the elder scrolls forum is you, buddy. I'm not obsessing over you. You just keep coming back every once in a while, desperately searching for videos that have a comment from me.
Exactly what is it you think I will have lost by not pandering to your trolling?
When a child demands attention the best thing to do is not to give it to them. But if your genuinely curious perhaps "Origin of Species" might help or look up "Why Evolution is True" with Dr. Jerry Coyne.
I get 5 replies from this guy, and come here to see this vid swarmed with his trolling. He wants you to explain evolution to him, unaware that you already did. =P
Perfect example that he doesn't care about a mere scientific fact*. He's just in it for being the best keyboard warrior.
I'm totally ok if MenoftheInfinite wipes out the little exchange I'm having with SJKSO / Fable3isshit / God4uIAm / Hot4theProfessor since it has nothing to do with their video. It's verbal littering but if they insist on parading their stupidity, far be it from me to stop the sideshow.
Yeah, nobody will care but him. He'll probably try to flag this video because of it. He does that sort of thing because he can't handle other people sensoring him when he does it virtually all the time on his piece of shit videos.
Booste30 you can't even spell can you? Sensoring? Please go watch your shit cartoons and videos. And stop obessing over that guy who got banned on the elder scrolls forum.
2.) No, adding you to the AARmy list does not make me an admitted loser, only that I'm making sure everybody knows all of your accounts so you can't troll them. Safety first =)
Booste30 we know you have 300 alt accounts, we know you are just a troll. And you'll do what? Add me to a little group? Doesn't that just show that you have lost?
An atheist with atheist-hating videos favorited, wow, good logic there. You're just humiliating yourself right now, and I think you know it. You know that I know you're AAR, get over it. Nobody reading your ridiculous replies won't believe them anyways...
It's the height of dishonesty to even claim you do.
If you really want to understand about it...or any subject for that matter, you'd research it instead of showing up on a video that does not have anything to do with Evolution belly-aching that someone needs to feel obligated to explain this to you.
I especially like the sentiment that the work of a dedicated Genius knows their own form of Immortality. Not sure I would agree that you cannot have Genius's in specific areas though though I see where the author is going with that taking into account how they define the term.
OMG your every Baskin Robbins flavour of pathetic.
Please do the world a favour and keep denying Evolution. Never stop and never relent from it. Because the more morons who claim it's some conspiracy or flimsy science, the better for all of us to see who are the nut-jobs on the other side of the fence setting the bar.
Your posting on a video about what constitutes 'Genius' asking for am explanation about Evolution??? Look on the ingredient list for Pilsbury Cookies...you won't tind it their either!
No problemo....you all make videos using identical styles. Same font, font colour, drop shadow style, background colour choice...I mean really, are you even trying?
Ugh, AAR, why do you persist in making so many of these sock puppets? You know I'm only going to add it to the list in the defense group that'll just add up as more evidence against you. Good job, smart-guy! You can't even troll right or hide your identity under another puppet. I suggest you practice more puppeteering if you wish to acquire more evidence to frame me.
Actually you've just been caught lying. You don't think I'm Booste since you just sent me a personal comment trying to convince me that Booste has numerous accounts...which would be pointless if I was one of them....Idiot.
News flash...many people have multiple accounts. Get over yourself.
Actually the subject is "Genius". if you want to know about evolution, that is changing the subject. Not sure why your asking since I already told SJKO...which is you. Which pretty much shows you don't care about it's explaination, complete scientific acceptance or the fact that in 150 years it has never been proven wrong.
But why are you asking about evolution in a video that has nothing to do with it?
I'm not here to post videos. I'm here to enjoy videos and you need an account to comment...so here we are.
If that IS your only evidence (which it is) it's pretty weak since you and I have never crossed paths (or if we had it was not memorable) and I have been a member for awhile.
Fools you say? Because they believe in the single unifying principle behind all of biology? The very premise that makes it possible to create vaccines? The sciencifitic theory that has been proven time and time again?
I hate to put a damper on your day but disagreeing with you does not automatically make one foolish.
Don't bother repling to fable or SJKSO, they're the same person, a huge internet troll spending all day stalking people he feels have humiliated him and makes shitty videos about them, demonstrating his 12-year old mentality.
Actually I already figured that out but thanks for the heads up. Two accounts but they use the exact same font styling on their videos? Not sure who he/she thinks their fooling.
Having more than one account is no biggy (each for a different purpose) but it's sad and lame if they use each account to reply to each other.
Yes in fact he is. Notice the date of his account joining youtube, and his favorited videos. I actually discovered him today. I have a long list of accounts I know are him, well actually a friend of mine does.
lol that's absolutely correct. When he comes back expect him to lash out at me, claiming that you're one of my alt accounts. He does that sort of thing. Anyone who disagrees with him he automatically lables them as an alt account user. He's done this ever since he was exposed to using them months ago. He used to troll around on some gaming website and got banned from it about a year ago, and moved on to youtube with account names mocking those who banned him.
It took a bit of thinking to see galaxies as symbols for psychological identities, and how the I identifies with every thing. Good though, because from that point one sees I = Universe.
Maybe a better trick would have been faint images of lots of different faces/expressions superimposed over galaxies for the first half of the vid that talks about how genius functions psychologically.
The main point of all the shots of galaxies, etc, was to get the viewer to see things from a larger perspective than they are used to, and also to illustrate that all things work by the same laws. Things are the same everywhere, and that's why a genius has an omniscience.
I read your book "Poison for the Heart" during my senior year of high school and I must say that it is easily one of the very best pieces of literature that I have ever read.
I still don't completely agree with all of it but the dedication to reasoning, clarity and indisputable truth that you displayed by writing that piece of literature is simply commendable. That book helped me learn so much about myself and I just wanted to let you know it. Thank you for being so mercilessly honest.
Well, you could consider the concept of genius spoken of in this vid - and by Weininger - as "philosophical genius", which sets it apart in type from musical or mathematical genius etc...
"evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Though changes produced in any one generation are normally small, differences accumulate with each generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species."
Like you couldn't have looked that up yourself. Could you be more lazy?
im just a regular genuis,heres one thing i did,i apologize for it,i just dont like holding back my emotions.There was the towel heads getting on a pan am flight and i was telling them how stupid the flimsy capts door was,and how anyone could open it,when my fellow flight attendant said i shouldnt say things like that, i reminded her that nothing bad could happen,we would go wherever the bad guys wanted us to go.
Understand?9 11 was my fault :~( im srry about the war and everything
It's bracing and exhilarating to realize that those are all real places, scattered all around us right now in three dimensions. And the conjunction with the thoughts of Weininger is interesting. But what is the music? It works for me, but I can't identify it.
You have a point, though quality religion bashing ought contain the essentials to some degree anyway. If it doesn't it's only mediocre religion bashing.
It's an enjoyable video, but, unless i was missing some metaphor laced in it, it's just not true. If that is what a genius is, then no man is or ever was a genius.
It just seems to be deifying people of great intelligence. Don't get me wrong, I respect intelligence as much as the next guy, but this goes overboard. It sounds like the writer was almost jealous of someone -- how effortlessly the "genius" seemed to surpass him intellectually.
The idea is not that a genius knows all the finite details of the Universe - no begin can ever do that - but the idea is that the genius understands the underlying principles that tie all things together. He is therefore able to see all things in one. Some people compartmentalize their knowledge of the world, and the genius does the opposite of that.
The kind of genius that is described in this video has very little to do with something like IQ, or one's ability to do complex math. It speaks to a persons ability to cut through the crap and see the underlying truth of things.
"High IQ" or "highly talented" is the commonly accepted meaning for "genius" because *most people* can see value in such, and are ready to give support to such.
That's partly why there are so few true geniuses, since anyone can be a true genius if they've found a certain angle of thinking.
Philosopher and psychiatrist Thomas Szasz argues that suicide is the most basic right of all. If freedom is self-ownership, ownership over one's own life and body, then the right to end that life is the most basic of all. If others can force you to live, you do not own yourself and belong to them.
OKM, Well, when all is said and done, does not Nature force us to eat, drink and breathe if we wish to be alive? Does not Nature force us to make choices each and every moment. So in fact, no one has any right over anything. Our choices are not really ours at all.
As to a suicide: you can judge him as he judged himself:
"Suicide from inability to achieve recovery from sickness is just as abandoning and
faithless as the suicide to escape sin is cowardly."
venakew, my reply to onlykindnessmatters about our choices not being our own choices didn't imply that they weren't real choices. It just meant that we don't ultimately make them and "own them" as OKM believes.
We don't own the oxygen in the air that we depend on to breathe, which is carried to our brains to help create thoughts and choices. The whole process of causation that makes our thoughts is not owned by anyone.
true but 'we' are that proces, most people in this free will debate mistake us with our consciousness.
Yeah we don't own anything but by your definiton no one owns anything and since we already have some concept of ownership so we should try to keep that.If a series of chemicals comes to the conclusion that it wants to stop reacting another one should let it.Overall I don't agree with suicide for 'minor' reasons but i feel if someone is in lots o pain and thats the only opt we should repect tha
I'm very thankful to Mr. Solway for introducing me to Weininger. Out of all the great people whose works I've read, Weininger is closest to my heart. I look at him as an elder brother who taught me to think like him.
Weininger is something of an enigma. Brilliant yet deeply flawed. It's a genuine tragedy that he didn't live long enough to refine his rather raw work. It's also interesting that the very same people that laud Wittgenstein to the skies, and who rather despise Weininger, neglect the fact that the former regarded the latter very highly.
The manner of his suicide demonstrates his flawed nature. The first part of Sex and Character is not especially impressive. However, his insights into the nature of genius and psychology were outstanding, surpassing even the greatest psychologist of the western tradition, Nietzsche.
The 1st part of Sex and Character was essentially his thesis, while the second part contained his actual thought.
I hold the opinion that Weininger was too tormented by what was around him, to live on. I myself have wanted to die several times. All men who can perceive the hypocrisy, shallowness and idiocy of humanity are tormented by those things.
This is why Weininger said - "the genius suffers the most." and Kierkegaard described Jesus as "a suffering servant."
I agree regarding the "torment" of the person with insight. I think Nietzsche suffered from this also. This torment is, nevertheless, a flaw. Or maybe "flaw" is not the right word. It's an indicator of a lack of development. It is certainly a tragedy for the cause of wisdom that Otto could not get past that torment. Yet at the same time is it a fine thing for the cause of wisdom that he did.
I think that suicide was a very dishonourable act on the part of Weininger. He himself understood what the alternative to suicide was, but simply did not choose it.
Still, he was very young, and his mental and spiritual growth was too rapid for him to develop the power of forbearance.
"He should not have done it?" On what authority do you speak such arrogance? Who died and made u the judge of what "should" and "should not" happen?
While I agree, it appears to our ideologically programmed minds, as tragic, I do not presume to pass such judgments on someone who was in enough pain to take his own life.
For someone who claims to "understand Weininger very well", you show little regard 4 his humanity. =(
jupiviv, I'm also grateful that Kevin found Weininger's writings.
"I hold the opinion that Weininger was? too tormented by what was around him, to live on."
Kierkegaard says that the person who has no sin would suffer dreadfully from the sinfulness of others, to the point of suicide, because, being pure, he has never learnt through penitence a form of joy in suffering.
Even if so, I don't think that Weininger was pure, but "in despair over himself - the sickness unto death". ....
.... onlykindnessmatters, suicide is actually dishonorable if one is not perfectly wise yet values wisdom.
Even if such a person understands his limitations, and is not being thin-skinned, suicide must still be seen as a cop-out according to their own values.
It isn't arrogant to judge them thus, but inhumane to judge them from any other position.
A person's life belongs only to him or her, and no other person has the right to force their own ideals that life must be lived. Rather, only the individual involved can make such decision, and whatever decision he or she does make, should be respected. cont.
Meh, 2 jobs - that truly sucks, but such is life in this modern world. However, your initial response to that sentence was not unreasonable at all. When Kevin finished the video with that quote, I knew this precise response would be forthcoming. But yeah, it's very difficult to have the daily grind in your head and then make room for other things.
No sweat. I've already posted it, but I'll repeat it here - this is the next sentence from Weininger in that context:
"It stands to reason that this infinite knowledge does not include theories and systems which have been formulated by science from facts, neither the history of the Spanish war of succession nor experiments in dia-magnetism."
Hm, Panoculus, i'd agree, the genius problably wouldn't let any idea go past unnoticed by thought, and thus able to study whatever may appear . It seems contradictory to say that any idea simply enters the mind without thought, so perhaps not. But the ideas may be taken in without ever being understood actually seems quite common. Many people will say things they have no idea about for the sake of impressing. A genius never lets an idea go past unnoticed without crutinizing it
What Weininger means by "without having learned it" is that the genius realises the nature of things though personal insight. It doesn't mean one hasn't thought about things.
Genius is about the bright light of knowing the right thing without being told. Because genius goes beyond merely seeing, genius knows what he sees and does it clearly enough to stick with what he knows with enough faith to assert it and act upon it.
The appearent nature of myself in correspondance to the Qoutes on Genius and the sort of genius that you speak of was quite appearent. the first time reading the qoutes I was trying to help myself not to be awed by the idea of it, which sort of failed miserably. anyway, now Ive sort of got an idea of what it entails, but I can point out that i've had quite alot of experiences with people that just don't understand the reason behind things that I do. Sometimes theres the idea that MORE'
"The genius is a man who knows everything without having learned it."
It could also mean that the genius' knowledge does not come from other people, but is his own. He doesn't accept what other people tell him, and what he reads from others, as knowledge, but as data to be tested by his own thought.
Well, the context of that sentence is important. Weininger follows that sentence with:
"It stands to reason that this infinite knowledge does not include theories and systems which have been formulated by science from facts, neither the history of the Spanish war of succession nor experiments in dia-magnetism."
I really should leave this to Kevin, since it's his video. However, here's my 2 cents: the statement does not and can not refer to the finite empirical detail we model in scientific terms. That would be impossible, not just because Reality is infinite but because it exists in a state of flux and there is always something new to "learn" (model). The sentence is referring to a fundamental insight into the nature of all things, of existence, of the Totality.
How one pieces together phenomena in those empirical models is more an act of creation than "learning" as such. So, Weininger is speaking about knowing the *fundamental* nature of all things rather than the myriad finite "arrangements" of said things. Does this help? If not I'll elaborate further.
Loved it. Felt it was a great definition. The last sentence? I think it doesnt mean just blinding assuming things. It means doing fundermental things so all the details are just obvious to you.
dwixi, yes, I think you have it about right. Some things, like the knowledge of A=A, cannot be taught, yet require personal insight. It's not something you can order off the shelf, or be granted in a college degree.
@mrconradhoppe Yes, but we are pieces that can think for ourselves and speculate about the universe. So we are not 'just' pieces.
atticana 9 months ago
@mrconradhoppe
and how would you know about this other dimension? have you been there?
SecularNumanist 10 months ago
@mrconradhoppe
the universe is not hierarchichal, it is an endless plane with no up or down.
SecularNumanist 10 months ago
@SecularNumanist The universe is not endless, that would imply infinity. Everything created is necessarily finite. Only the Creator, God, is infinite.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana You are assuming that God is not all things (ie, the Universe).
KevinSolway 9 months ago
@KevinSolway I am most certainly making that assumption. God, the Creator of all, is separate and distinct from His creation. I reject both pantheism and panentheism.
atticana 9 months ago
@atticana If your God is not literally everything then it follows that your God is finite. This is a logical necessity, and there is no way around it.
KevinSolway 9 months ago
@KevinSolway I will ponder upon your words and respond to them when I have pondered sufficiently.
atticana 9 months ago
@mrconradhoppe
how do you know how many videos youve viewed? "total upload views" refers to the amount of views all of your videos have received in total
SecularNumanist 10 months ago
we all are genius, a socially accepted or recognized genius, that s another matter
phiphers 1 year ago
Good video ....
Great visuals
Cheers
Projoiner1 2 years ago
Weininger's comments on the genius seem to be mostly right, but I have to reject this notion that any human being can fully transcend the influence of his own age. Aristotle, for instance, was a multifaceted genius and his works, while many of his ideas are original, can be placed in a historical context where he either built upon the works of previous thinkers who were also somewhat external to the mainstream or he even took up some mainstream assumptions such as sexism without question.
Thucydides2004 2 years ago
I think Otto was talking about fundamentals rather than contingent details. Every person has to re-invent the philosophical wheel. And those fundamentals transcend history and culture. I've always found cultural references in both Otto and Nietzsche to be a bit dodgy, depending on the context.
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
nice video, that mortin experiment i think its called should really not be done anymore. we've known what the results were since the 50s i don't know why people keep redoing it. it almost seams as cruel to do it as to cause suffering just because ordered.
TheVikingNinja 2 years ago
I am replying to you, for all of these accounts of yours should be linked to the same email account. Haven't you realized that? Low IQ?
booste30 2 years ago
Hi Fable3isshit
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
"Are you just dumb? Or forgetting you are Booste30' This is the sum or your intellect? 'I know you are but what am I?"... seriously?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Name one video I have visited that was about you?
Your quite the hipocrit if your asking 'me' to stay on topic mister 'I need to know about evolution'...go read a book.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
I can't explain evolution either...
:(
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
That "guy" who got banned on the elder scrolls forum is you, buddy. I'm not obsessing over you. You just keep coming back every once in a while, desperately searching for videos that have a comment from me.
booste30 2 years ago
That would be "you're".
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
Exactly what is it you think I will have lost by not pandering to your trolling?
When a child demands attention the best thing to do is not to give it to them. But if your genuinely curious perhaps "Origin of Species" might help or look up "Why Evolution is True" with Dr. Jerry Coyne.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Oh boy....
I get 5 replies from this guy, and come here to see this vid swarmed with his trolling. He wants you to explain evolution to him, unaware that you already did. =P
Perfect example that he doesn't care about a mere scientific fact*. He's just in it for being the best keyboard warrior.
booste30 2 years ago
I'm totally ok if MenoftheInfinite wipes out the little exchange I'm having with SJKSO / Fable3isshit / God4uIAm / Hot4theProfessor since it has nothing to do with their video. It's verbal littering but if they insist on parading their stupidity, far be it from me to stop the sideshow.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Yeah, nobody will care but him. He'll probably try to flag this video because of it. He does that sort of thing because he can't handle other people sensoring him when he does it virtually all the time on his piece of shit videos.
booste30 2 years ago
Booste30 you can't even spell can you? Sensoring? Please go watch your shit cartoons and videos. And stop obessing over that guy who got banned on the elder scrolls forum.
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
1.) I corrected my mispell for your information.
2.) No, adding you to the AARmy list does not make me an admitted loser, only that I'm making sure everybody knows all of your accounts so you can't troll them. Safety first =)
booste30 2 years ago
censor*
Just realized that mistake lol.
booste30 2 years ago
Booste30 we know you have 300 alt accounts, we know you are just a troll. And you'll do what? Add me to a little group? Doesn't that just show that you have lost?
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
Still no explantion, why are you humliating us atheists Veritas?
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
Dude...1) Your not an atheist. 2) Lying is a sin 3) Your Fable3isshit / God4uIAm / SJKSO ... show just a little integrity.
Why else would these 4 accounts show up here demanding a topic be discussed that is completely unrelated to the topic of the video?
Expiian what your demand has to do with the topic of 'Genius'?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
1) I am an Atheist. 2) I can explain evolution. 3) Your an idiot and every atheist thinks so. 4) Stop spamming idiot
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
"1) I am an Atheist."...no...your not.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
An atheist with atheist-hating videos favorited, wow, good logic there. You're just humiliating yourself right now, and I think you know it. You know that I know you're AAR, get over it. Nobody reading your ridiculous replies won't believe them anyways...
booste30 2 years ago
No ... you don't.
It's the height of dishonesty to even claim you do.
If you really want to understand about it...or any subject for that matter, you'd research it instead of showing up on a video that does not have anything to do with Evolution belly-aching that someone needs to feel obligated to explain this to you.
I mean seriously, what are you, 5?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
I especially like the sentiment that the work of a dedicated Genius knows their own form of Immortality. Not sure I would agree that you cannot have Genius's in specific areas though though I see where the author is going with that taking into account how they define the term.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
OMG your every Baskin Robbins flavour of pathetic.
Please do the world a favour and keep denying Evolution. Never stop and never relent from it. Because the more morons who claim it's some conspiracy or flimsy science, the better for all of us to see who are the nut-jobs on the other side of the fence setting the bar.
Keep up the good work.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Why are you trolling on an unrelated video?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Your posting on a video about what constitutes 'Genius' asking for am explanation about Evolution??? Look on the ingredient list for Pilsbury Cookies...you won't tind it their either!
Scandalous!.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
No problemo....you all make videos using identical styles. Same font, font colour, drop shadow style, background colour choice...I mean really, are you even trying?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
VeritadLiber, yet you ignored the question about evolution and the fact that Booste30 subscribed to one of the users.
You...Are...A...Disgrace to us atheists.
Hot4theProfessor 2 years ago
I was never given a question about Evolution so I haven't ignored anything.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Ugh, AAR, why do you persist in making so many of these sock puppets? You know I'm only going to add it to the list in the defense group that'll just add up as more evidence against you. Good job, smart-guy! You can't even troll right or hide your identity under another puppet. I suggest you practice more puppeteering if you wish to acquire more evidence to frame me.
booste30 2 years ago
Actually you've just been caught lying. You don't think I'm Booste since you just sent me a personal comment trying to convince me that Booste has numerous accounts...which would be pointless if I was one of them....Idiot.
News flash...many people have multiple accounts. Get over yourself.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Actually the subject is "Genius". if you want to know about evolution, that is changing the subject. Not sure why your asking since I already told SJKO...which is you. Which pretty much shows you don't care about it's explaination, complete scientific acceptance or the fact that in 150 years it has never been proven wrong.
But why are you asking about evolution in a video that has nothing to do with it?
And you called ME a troll?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
I'm not here to post videos. I'm here to enjoy videos and you need an account to comment...so here we are.
If that IS your only evidence (which it is) it's pretty weak since you and I have never crossed paths (or if we had it was not memorable) and I have been a member for awhile.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
@SJKSO Why do you refer to me as a "she"?
Do you fantasize about it?
booste30 2 years ago
Fools you say? Because they believe in the single unifying principle behind all of biology? The very premise that makes it possible to create vaccines? The sciencifitic theory that has been proven time and time again?
I hate to put a damper on your day but disagreeing with you does not automatically make one foolish.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
@VeritasLiber
Don't bother repling to fable or SJKSO, they're the same person, a huge internet troll spending all day stalking people he feels have humiliated him and makes shitty videos about them, demonstrating his 12-year old mentality.
booste30 2 years ago
Actually I already figured that out but thanks for the heads up. Two accounts but they use the exact same font styling on their videos? Not sure who he/she thinks their fooling.
Having more than one account is no biggy (each for a different purpose) but it's sad and lame if they use each account to reply to each other.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Yeah, more than ONE. The problem is that this guy has over 15 others and is probably making more right now. Really sad.
booste30 2 years ago
I gather God4uIAm is one of SJKSO's not-quite-split personalities as well?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Yes in fact he is. Notice the date of his account joining youtube, and his favorited videos. I actually discovered him today. I have a long list of accounts I know are him, well actually a friend of mine does.
booste30 2 years ago
Well if it's one idiot making a million comments or a million idiots making one comment...the idiot part remains the unchanging constant :)
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
lol that's absolutely correct. When he comes back expect him to lash out at me, claiming that you're one of my alt accounts. He does that sort of thing. Anyone who disagrees with him he automatically lables them as an alt account user. He's done this ever since he was exposed to using them months ago. He used to troll around on some gaming website and got banned from it about a year ago, and moved on to youtube with account names mocking those who banned him.
booste30 2 years ago
Ok I said I would not be back, but you have subscribed too me as your Kookyinc account Booste30 you uneducated idiot, so you ARE a stalker.
God4uIAm 2 years ago
It took a bit of thinking to see galaxies as symbols for psychological identities, and how the I identifies with every thing. Good though, because from that point one sees I = Universe.
Maybe a better trick would have been faint images of lots of different faces/expressions superimposed over galaxies for the first half of the vid that talks about how genius functions psychologically.
KellyJones00 2 years ago
The main point of all the shots of galaxies, etc, was to get the viewer to see things from a larger perspective than they are used to, and also to illustrate that all things work by the same laws. Things are the same everywhere, and that's why a genius has an omniscience.
KevinSolway 2 years ago
I read your book "Poison for the Heart" during my senior year of high school and I must say that it is easily one of the very best pieces of literature that I have ever read.
I still don't completely agree with all of it but the dedication to reasoning, clarity and indisputable truth that you displayed by writing that piece of literature is simply commendable. That book helped me learn so much about myself and I just wanted to let you know it. Thank you for being so mercilessly honest.
ItsStillThereBitch 2 years ago
We need more genius in the modern world. We need a genios in every nation, every place of the whole World. We need more genius to save the Earth.
francisbacon87 2 years ago
Philosophers tend to define the term 'genius' in suspicious ways...
Mattprole 2 years ago
You mean in a way that makes *them* the genius?
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
Yeah, I think Schopenhauer did the same thing too.
Mattprole 2 years ago
Well, you could consider the concept of genius spoken of in this vid - and by Weininger - as "philosophical genius", which sets it apart in type from musical or mathematical genius etc...
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
Perhaps something "absolutely clear thinking" may be a better epithet for what Weininger is talking about, rather than Genius?
EvoinOZ 2 years ago
@MenoftheInfinite
Would you consider Christopher Langan a genius?
booste30 2 years ago
@Booste30
Explain evolution. You cant, because you are an uneducated idiot.
Blocked you loser!
Goodbye!
God4uIAm 2 years ago
"evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Though changes produced in any one generation are normally small, differences accumulate with each generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the population, a process that can result in the emergence of new species."
Like you couldn't have looked that up yourself. Could you be more lazy?
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
Quit following me around on every video I comment on you damn stalker.
booste30 2 years ago
im just a regular genuis,heres one thing i did,i apologize for it,i just dont like holding back my emotions.There was the towel heads getting on a pan am flight and i was telling them how stupid the flimsy capts door was,and how anyone could open it,when my fellow flight attendant said i shouldnt say things like that, i reminded her that nothing bad could happen,we would go wherever the bad guys wanted us to go.
Understand?9 11 was my fault :~( im srry about the war and everything
creten69 2 years ago
It's bracing and exhilarating to realize that those are all real places, scattered all around us right now in three dimensions. And the conjunction with the thoughts of Weininger is interesting. But what is the music? It works for me, but I can't identify it.
mportube 2 years ago
Music by little-known Australian folk band called "Coolangubra". You'll also find their music in the video "Wide World".
KevinSolway 2 years ago
I liked this for once. Let the religion bashing go and concentrate on the essential.
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
You have a point, though quality religion bashing ought contain the essentials to some degree anyway. If it doesn't it's only mediocre religion bashing.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
wtf is this corny shit.
stop rambling like a new age crackhead and get a life.
crossingthechannel 2 years ago
If you are alive, it's impossible not to already have a life. Are you on crack or something?
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
It's an enjoyable video, but, unless i was missing some metaphor laced in it, it's just not true. If that is what a genius is, then no man is or ever was a genius.
It just seems to be deifying people of great intelligence. Don't get me wrong, I respect intelligence as much as the next guy, but this goes overboard. It sounds like the writer was almost jealous of someone -- how effortlessly the "genius" seemed to surpass him intellectually.
Maybe he was just dumb.
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
The idea is not that a genius knows all the finite details of the Universe - no begin can ever do that - but the idea is that the genius understands the underlying principles that tie all things together. He is therefore able to see all things in one. Some people compartmentalize their knowledge of the world, and the genius does the opposite of that.
KevinSolway 2 years ago
The kind of genius that is described in this video has very little to do with something like IQ, or one's ability to do complex math. It speaks to a persons ability to cut through the crap and see the underlying truth of things.
KevinSolway 2 years ago
maybe genius isn't the write wordfor that then,I've always considered genius an IQ thing and someone who does specialise in a few field
venakew 2 years ago
It's a catch-22 situation, venakew.
"High IQ" or "highly talented" is the commonly accepted meaning for "genius" because *most people* can see value in such, and are ready to give support to such.
That's partly why there are so few true geniuses, since anyone can be a true genius if they've found a certain angle of thinking.
KellyJones00 2 years ago
So would The Buddha post enlightnment be a genius by this defintion?
venakew 2 years ago
I think enlightened insights consistute genius, and the courageous life of one who puts them into practice becomes a Buddha (perfect).
KellyJones00 2 years ago
Philosopher and psychiatrist Thomas Szasz argues that suicide is the most basic right of all. If freedom is self-ownership, ownership over one's own life and body, then the right to end that life is the most basic of all. If others can force you to live, you do not own yourself and belong to them.
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onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
OKM, Well, when all is said and done, does not Nature force us to eat, drink and breathe if we wish to be alive? Does not Nature force us to make choices each and every moment. So in fact, no one has any right over anything. Our choices are not really ours at all.
As to a suicide: you can judge him as he judged himself:
"Suicide from inability to achieve recovery from sickness is just as abandoning and
faithless as the suicide to escape sin is cowardly."
- Weininger
KellyJones00 2 years ago
I respect your opinion, but I just don't agree. =)
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onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
no-one but yourself forces you to kill yourself-is that not a choice
venakew 2 years ago
venakew, my reply to onlykindnessmatters about our choices not being our own choices didn't imply that they weren't real choices. It just meant that we don't ultimately make them and "own them" as OKM believes.
We don't own the oxygen in the air that we depend on to breathe, which is carried to our brains to help create thoughts and choices. The whole process of causation that makes our thoughts is not owned by anyone.
KellyJones00 2 years ago
true but 'we' are that proces, most people in this free will debate mistake us with our consciousness.
Yeah we don't own anything but by your definiton no one owns anything and since we already have some concept of ownership so we should try to keep that.If a series of chemicals comes to the conclusion that it wants to stop reacting another one should let it.Overall I don't agree with suicide for 'minor' reasons but i feel if someone is in lots o pain and thats the only opt we should repect tha
venakew 2 years ago
Keeping the concepts of free will and ownership is fine, if we know we're borrowing from Nature.
KellyJones00 2 years ago
Excellent.
Mathfails 2 years ago
I'm very thankful to Mr. Solway for introducing me to Weininger. Out of all the great people whose works I've read, Weininger is closest to my heart. I look at him as an elder brother who taught me to think like him.
jupiviv 2 years ago
Weininger is something of an enigma. Brilliant yet deeply flawed. It's a genuine tragedy that he didn't live long enough to refine his rather raw work. It's also interesting that the very same people that laud Wittgenstein to the skies, and who rather despise Weininger, neglect the fact that the former regarded the latter very highly.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
I don't think he was *deeply* flawed. He was actually very close to being enlightened. He just needed to live a little more.
His ideas on women certainly weren't "raw". Some other of his ideas(metaphysics, morality) can be called raw, I guess.
jupiviv 2 years ago
The manner of his suicide demonstrates his flawed nature. The first part of Sex and Character is not especially impressive. However, his insights into the nature of genius and psychology were outstanding, surpassing even the greatest psychologist of the western tradition, Nietzsche.
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
The 1st part of Sex and Character was essentially his thesis, while the second part contained his actual thought.
I hold the opinion that Weininger was too tormented by what was around him, to live on. I myself have wanted to die several times. All men who can perceive the hypocrisy, shallowness and idiocy of humanity are tormented by those things.
This is why Weininger said - "the genius suffers the most." and Kierkegaard described Jesus as "a suffering servant."
jupiviv 2 years ago
I agree regarding the "torment" of the person with insight. I think Nietzsche suffered from this also. This torment is, nevertheless, a flaw. Or maybe "flaw" is not the right word. It's an indicator of a lack of development. It is certainly a tragedy for the cause of wisdom that Otto could not get past that torment. Yet at the same time is it a fine thing for the cause of wisdom that he did.
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
I think that suicide was a very dishonourable act on the part of Weininger. He himself understood what the alternative to suicide was, but simply did not choose it.
Still, he was very young, and his mental and spiritual growth was too rapid for him to develop the power of forbearance.
jupiviv 2 years ago
Otto Weininger suffered from depression. To judge his act as "dishonorable" is an indictment of your lack of understanding and empathy.
He also chose to end his life during the onset of the Great Depression. Perhaps he saw too clearly what lay ahead. =)
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onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
I understand Weininger very well. For that reason, I know that he was able to stop himself from committing suicide. Only, he didn't.
And I already said that there was enough reason for him to have committed suicide - just that he should not have done it.
jupiviv 2 years ago
"He should not have done it?" On what authority do you speak such arrogance? Who died and made u the judge of what "should" and "should not" happen?
While I agree, it appears to our ideologically programmed minds, as tragic, I do not presume to pass such judgments on someone who was in enough pain to take his own life.
For someone who claims to "understand Weininger very well", you show little regard 4 his humanity. =(
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onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
I think you are dragging this argument on unnecessarily. If you think that I should not judge Weininger, then we will have to agree to disagree.
jupiviv 2 years ago
My apologies for the impression of "argument". That was not my intention at all. I was simply observing the judgmental nature of your comment. =)
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onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
jupiviv, I'm also grateful that Kevin found Weininger's writings.
"I hold the opinion that Weininger was? too tormented by what was around him, to live on."
Kierkegaard says that the person who has no sin would suffer dreadfully from the sinfulness of others, to the point of suicide, because, being pure, he has never learnt through penitence a form of joy in suffering.
Even if so, I don't think that Weininger was pure, but "in despair over himself - the sickness unto death". ....
KellyJones00 2 years ago
.... onlykindnessmatters, suicide is actually dishonorable if one is not perfectly wise yet values wisdom.
Even if such a person understands his limitations, and is not being thin-skinned, suicide must still be seen as a cop-out according to their own values.
It isn't arrogant to judge them thus, but inhumane to judge them from any other position.
KellyJones00 2 years ago
A person's life belongs only to him or her, and no other person has the right to force their own ideals that life must be lived. Rather, only the individual involved can make such decision, and whatever decision he or she does make, should be respected. cont.
onlykindnessmatters 2 years ago
Take it slow.
I wished I had given my mind a bit more time to take in all the new concepts. But I just couldn't stop my hunger for understanding.
TiMoseb 2 years ago
Meh, 2 jobs - that truly sucks, but such is life in this modern world. However, your initial response to that sentence was not unreasonable at all. When Kevin finished the video with that quote, I knew this precise response would be forthcoming. But yeah, it's very difficult to have the daily grind in your head and then make room for other things.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
No sweat. I've already posted it, but I'll repeat it here - this is the next sentence from Weininger in that context:
"It stands to reason that this infinite knowledge does not include theories and systems which have been formulated by science from facts, neither the history of the Spanish war of succession nor experiments in dia-magnetism."
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Hm, Panoculus, i'd agree, the genius problably wouldn't let any idea go past unnoticed by thought, and thus able to study whatever may appear . It seems contradictory to say that any idea simply enters the mind without thought, so perhaps not. But the ideas may be taken in without ever being understood actually seems quite common. Many people will say things they have no idea about for the sake of impressing. A genius never lets an idea go past unnoticed without crutinizing it
gorgrim90 2 years ago
What Weininger means by "without having learned it" is that the genius realises the nature of things though personal insight. It doesn't mean one hasn't thought about things.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Over the damn word count, btw...
Genius is about the bright light of knowing the right thing without being told. Because genius goes beyond merely seeing, genius knows what he sees and does it clearly enough to stick with what he knows with enough faith to assert it and act upon it.
gorgrim90 2 years ago
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gorgrim90 2 years ago
The appearent nature of myself in correspondance to the Qoutes on Genius and the sort of genius that you speak of was quite appearent. the first time reading the qoutes I was trying to help myself not to be awed by the idea of it, which sort of failed miserably. anyway, now Ive sort of got an idea of what it entails, but I can point out that i've had quite alot of experiences with people that just don't understand the reason behind things that I do. Sometimes theres the idea that MORE'
gorgrim90 2 years ago
I think only the genius actually truely can understand what is meant by it.
But you can get some insights to it.
For those insights you need to do some effort in philosophy.
That's why I linked you to the video.
TiMoseb 2 years ago
"The genius is a man who knows everything without having learned it."
It could also mean that the genius' knowledge does not come from other people, but is his own. He doesn't accept what other people tell him, and what he reads from others, as knowledge, but as data to be tested by his own thought.
Panoculus 2 years ago
But I prefer what Dan is pointing to: that no information proves the Truth.
Just like, no argument can prove A=A, since all arguments use it.
Panoculus 2 years ago
Well, the context of that sentence is important. Weininger follows that sentence with:
"It stands to reason that this infinite knowledge does not include theories and systems which have been formulated by science from facts, neither the history of the Spanish war of succession nor experiments in dia-magnetism."
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
I really should leave this to Kevin, since it's his video. However, here's my 2 cents: the statement does not and can not refer to the finite empirical detail we model in scientific terms. That would be impossible, not just because Reality is infinite but because it exists in a state of flux and there is always something new to "learn" (model). The sentence is referring to a fundamental insight into the nature of all things, of existence, of the Totality.
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
How one pieces together phenomena in those empirical models is more an act of creation than "learning" as such. So, Weininger is speaking about knowing the *fundamental* nature of all things rather than the myriad finite "arrangements" of said things. Does this help? If not I'll elaborate further.
MenoftheInfinite 2 years ago
You can't "learn" "everything", when by everything the totality of all is meant.
The thing is that you can't even teach "everything". Because what you teach, would also be part of that "everything".
If you watch this video
/watch?v=pD1N8ZTi2EA&feature=channel_page
you might understand what is meant by that last sentence.
But Dan might show up and explain it much better way then I just did. ^^
TiMoseb 2 years ago
Lol...I understand it quite well...a man of genius is born...the overmen...its the very men who know too well that they are correct.
graygryph 2 years ago
Hmm...interesting enough. Nice video and presentation.
someperson0529 2 years ago
Loved it. Felt it was a great definition. The last sentence? I think it doesnt mean just blinding assuming things. It means doing fundermental things so all the details are just obvious to you.
dwixi 2 years ago
dwixi, yes, I think you have it about right. Some things, like the knowledge of A=A, cannot be taught, yet require personal insight. It's not something you can order off the shelf, or be granted in a college degree.
KevinSolway 2 years ago