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  • OUTSTANDING, VERY MOVING.

  • I have been to the USA many time and love it, it is not perfect, nor could you expect it to be there is not such a place, the nicest place was San Antonio Texas(went to see the Alamo ) in all countries people try to do the best they can, its the ones who run it are at fault that are the problem, I am from England, just try be nice to each other on here please.

  • I'm from UK (Wales!!!!) I love Americans, they are always like " WOOOOO! GO AMERICAAA" for no reason ahahahaaa, like on the Jerry Springer show, for no reason at all the all start chanting "USA,USA" HAHA! can i ask why? So patriotic, i love Wales, but I don't just start going "WALES! WALES!" haha (unless of course its when were against England in rugby haha ;) But anyway good song, im gonna travel America some day! :D

  • Do I feel guilt about the American Holocaust? No. And I shouldn't, because I had nothing to do with it. I also don't feel guilty about Genghis Khan burning down villages, or the Salem Witch Trials.

  • Like Obama said..."I won!"

  • I'm tired of America hate. I could almost swear it's frowned upon to be patriotic! These people faced challenged and worked harder and gave their lives with a devotion and will that the spoiled brats of today's population simply can't imagine, and I'm one of those spoiled brats, we all are, we live in a modern industrialized civilization, they're the ones that worked so hard for it and paved the way, we only have it because of them, we don't actually deserve it. Have some respect and be thankful

  • On your last sentence you won't get an argument from me. I have no doubt that this is true.De asini vmbra disceptare -

  • Mo66 fell silent ..No e mail response at all...

  • @SuperMmayer Hey, that's not fair. I am preparing one. But when you start using so many arguments instead of beeing agressive and such an eloquent speech it takes me some time and a dictionary to formulate my answer. Remember English is not my mother tongue. But your German quote was great. You get your answer soon. I would not want to miss our discussion. And I am not to be kept silent so easily :-)

  • Do you feel guilty about the "Holocaust" the Saxons and Normans did on the Picts? The Romans on Carthago? Do you feel guilty about what Cro Magnon man did to the Neanderthal? What happened to thousands of tribes and groups during the "Völkerwanderung"? Men and women before the invention of telephone , car or combustion engine went west in wooden wagons braving torching sun, torrent rain, mud, diseases and hardships you could not even begin to imagine.

  • This is intented as peaceful question of real interest:

    It is amazing to us Europeans, but you Americans don't seem to feel any guilt about the American Holocoust. Why is that so? Is it because we grow up and are educated with the awareness of guilt? Here, if any celebrity make the slightest hint that anything that was done to the Jewish in WWII was only "faults or mistakes" must fear fot his reputation and job. It is not the film I dislike but the post of templerman.

    Peace and blessings!

  • @Mo66F : then you Europeans and especially you Germans, quit sticking your noses in other business. This Song and the lyrics of this song emphasize Values and a spirit you simply can't understand. Stick someone in a Uniform and you Germans do whatever that persons says, be it a Street sweeper or a Sicko Tree Hugger of the Green party ( Norwegian sweater and Birkenstocks are a non-conformist uniform after all)

  • @SuperMmayer: Thanks for your frank reply. But it does not answer my question. You may like the film, the lyrics, and believe that only you have values and the rest of the world doesn’t. And, you made the US a country you can be proud of. But the price was soo high for the First Americans and still is!!! Do you Americans feel any guilt about the American Holocoust? THAT is what I would like to know.

    Sorry, I won’t stop sticking my nose in any human rights concerns.

    Peace and blessings.

  • @Mo66F : part 2) They did not have tanks, machine guns, but as the song said with an unshakable faith, with a can do attitude and with the hope of self realization. Not nobles and kings or the rich fled Europe! These Immigrants fled oppression from Nobles and what they thought is the right faith for their subjects. Seeking freedom to worship their god in whatever way they choose. Those were not men or women out to "cleanse" or seek a final solution!

  • @Mo66F :Finally to answer your question. No i don't feel any guilt. I feel pride what my forefathers did carving a ranch and a living out of dust and dirt.

  • @Mo66F :Finally to answer your question. No i don't feel any guilt. I feel pride what my forefathers did carving a ranch and a living out of dust and dirt. And in a greater extend carving and building a nation.

  • @SuperMmayer: Ok, thanks again. Now I understand a bit better, why and the way you are pround about your people.

    And sorry, if I offended you. A better specification than guilt is responsibility. We were discussing this matter in my firm. My colleages did not believe my impression that you gyus don’t feel any guilt or responsibility for what you did and still do to your red brothers.

    But now to your postings: The “not knowing the concept of owning land” is a lame argument.

  • @Mo66F : Again you make broad sweeping arguments and accusations based on the view point of someone sitting far removed looking through a telescope with rose colored glasses of political correctness and forced socialist education judging a situation you seem to have very little actual exposure. First of all I didn't want to make this discussion personal, but I need to give you one piece of information: I am 50% Native Alaskan (Inuit) my mother is 100% Alaskan Native

  • @Mo66F :And here we have the answer to this discussion. The very mindset put ito one word. Responsibility! The Communist socialist sentiment: You want to feel responsible for others . You are so convinced that this communist socialist (I am using this words for their very meaning: SOCIALism) Universal Health is good therefore it must be imposed on all! Native American are poor and don't know things therefore we MUST help them. That is racism! Native Americans know full well what is good or not.

  • @SuperMmayer: Your speech is very colorfull, your prejudices and your fantasies are overwhelming and your suicide ideas make any freudian want to know you better. Ok, lets go on by mail.

  • 2) You could go on then saying if someone does not know the concept of owning people you could take his children and put to slavery. To destroy the huntinggrounds of someone living normadic IS stealing land. Shure, there is plenty of room in the Plains and if you guys had tried to share it faire-minded it might have worked out. And you know your history better than you know the European:

  • @Mo66F : You need to take your history like your news and your education....with caution and look for alternative sources and then find the truth or at least the closest thing. I bet you got your native American picture from reading Winnetou, listening to norwegian sweater, big glasses, birkenstock wearing teacher perhaps raised in the former East block where Stalin decided how American History was to be taught. if you want send me your rant in a mail / message and I respond in one piece

  • 3) And you know as well what happend with this treaties when the Whites found gold in the Black Hills for example.

    Now to your other arguments: I shurely would feel guilty or responsible for what the Germanic tribes did to other people if these people where still suffering from it, yes. And I do feel guilty and responsible for the German Holocoust in WWII.

    Another of your arguments then is that the indian wars are time-barrred? How long does ist take for genocides to get time-barred?

  • 4) And that the descendants must live in only a poor part of the Plains, where they even can’t live from agriculture, that they die at much younger ages than others, have no work, drink is all their fault, because they don’t understand that the reason for it is time-barred?

    Did you ever talk to those people and try to understand their arguments? Or do you just decide you know what they should feel? Like you blame me to do to you?

    Thanks again for you honest answers.

    Best wishes.

  • @Mo66F : If I get you right: The Natives are the next best thing to perfect and would live in a state of paradise frolicking with natures beast. Where Mother Earth and Spirit Geya look on their children of nature and sigh in bliss; if only that evil white man was gone with all its devilish inventions and horrible technology.

    I suggest you leave your ivory tower of socio-intellectual guilt depression, cast off all those trappings of western society and live being one with nature.

  • @Mo66F : The only logical alternative to that is suicide! Remove the cancer cell of the disease you represent, white man!

    Now on the other hand you could start open your eyes and mind and see the word with a more practical eye. Evolution is the motor of life. It begun with the first self dividing cell, made Whales walk on land and return to the seas, made mans skin black, yellow, white and every shade in between to adopt. Evolution has not stopped because it developed man, it goes on.

  • @Mo66F : I talk to "these" people every day. See that's where you fail to understand the true American spirit. I do not believe condone the Hyphen. I do not believe there are Native Americans, African Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans or whatever. It does not matter where you are from. Here you are an American. Americans are Red-White and Blue, not Black, white, brown or whatever. Skin color means nothing to a real American, but you NEED to act and live the American way.

  • @SuperMmayer In times past, our forebears all knew what the" American way" was but today in 2011 does anybody really know what the" American way" is? If you know, you are a much wiser man than me! People use to love their country but not so much anymore. So sad!

  • When they rolled this film out in '62 they premiered its opening week in a handful of Western US cities with Cinerama theaters. My old man was a big-wig with the Union Pacific Railroad at the time and scored tickets to the Salt Lake City debut performance. In a word.. wow. It was a full-on coat and tie affair with several of the cast members present and a big buffet of food. I was only a kid, but I remember how impressive it was to see the film and meet the stars. A great memory to hold.

  • How can still water flow?

  • An absolutely dreadful performance if ever there was one. Do the Czech singers actually know the lyrics? And the conductor?! A child with a pencil in his/her hand could do a better job of things.

  • @Mo66F Oh shut up you self-righteous moron. Ever since man exists there has been migrations. No one remembers the Picts because the Normans and the Saxons eradicated them. The Goths moved there , the Huns caused mass migrations. For the record: Native Americans don't even had the concept of "owning" land. They were nomadic. There was and is plenty of room in the Plains of the West for all. Look at your own history before you throw blame at others

  • @gobabygo90809  Miserabiles pauperes spiritu.

  • @Mo66F What happened to them was wrong, no doubt, but people pity the Natives so much they forget they were at least partly responsible. There was horrible brutality on their side that wasn't actually on our side, such as scalping and many other forms of horrible torture. If you want to know what it was actually like, read from the writings of people that were actually there, not using your own opinion. The Natives were barbaric at times. But Americans overreacted and did plenty of wrong, too.

  • @Eagle1Division2 partly responsible for what? people from another country coming here, crushing them, subjecting them to disease and basically ripped away their lands?

  • @frieda406 Uhm. Read the post. There was plenty of barbarism on both sides. Both sides did wrong, both sides did good. It wasn't big, bad, evil europians all the time.

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  • its truly an american song

  • wish we had the same future as the folks that came before

  • This movie and John Wayne's "The Alamo" (see it on IMAX October 7 in San Antone: 50 year anniversary!) are the greatest AMERICAN movies EVER made!

  • not bomastic as much as martial music. 

  • classic movie music by a classic movie composer.

  • I'll have to look up what else he composed :)

  • I'll have to look up what else he composed :)

  • thanks for the memories! We sang this in Jr. High in chorus

  • you did? Im related to the man who composed this :D

  • @94puppyeyez Sure did a gazillion years ago :) we did a show in Jr. High and it was set very similarly to this track! Everyone (parents/families of course) loved it

  • @762girl Lol did you do a play on this or just sing a song?

  • @94puppyeyez I think it was a simple performance of a handful of popular movie/TV themes, wow I have no idea how we would have downsized something like that movie :)

  • @762girl haha interesting lol. I wonder if they do do plays of this movie

  • @94puppyeyez wow - the music still plays in my head occasionally. I think it's a great example of the epic western/WWII productions of the 60s

  • @762girl :d thats what a Newmans music does to people...hehe

  • This is the greatest song ever!

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  • people today are cynical, weak and certainly would not have been able to endure the oregon trail that these much tougher people endured. They believed in their religions and stuck to them to see them through the misery that surrounded them. its fine and dandy to sit in a air conditioned apartment in 2010 and sneer at the lyrics of this song.

  • Many do like these lyrics, but believe me, people actually thought that way at the time. So for the sake of accuracy, and capturing the spirit of the times, the words are a good commentary on history; the history, that is, of the winners.

  • Sounds like I'm listening to the Red Army Choir.

  • This is one EPIC tune!

    Every time I hear it I get chills!

  • Well, in today's politcally correct climate, this film and this theme song might not be considered the most correct.

    But, please consider the context in which it was produced.

    The fact is this is one of the great epic movies of all time, with an entire cast of multiple great actors/actresses, and a soundtrack unrivaled for its time.

    I saw this movie when it came out [in the curved screen, three camera version], and I am still in awe at its production.

  • I can't thank you ENOUGH for making these lyrics available!!!

    I've been searching for them FOREVER, and thought I'd never find them!

    Again, THANK YOU for those hard to find lyrics.

    Now, I can finally learn to sing this song.

  • I am not from the US. But I must admit it is a grat nation... a country that was birthed my men like Paine, Washington and Franklin can't be any less. And as for capitalism... what's wrong with that?

  • @randomnomenclature whats wrong with capitalism? have you just time warped from the 1950s? we are curently going through a financial disaster brought on by greedy selfish capitalists in the banking system, who put all the money into toxic debt. whats the matter with you, making a comment like that! People are suffering all over the world thanks to capitalists in brooks brothers suits

  • Does anybody know where this music comes from in the movie? It sounds like the original soundtrack's orchestration but I can't find it. Great music. Great film.

  • Great movie!

  • I never thought hear this melody with lyrics its great. reflects a feeling of hope exactly like the pioneers should felt when they saw the american prairies

  • We ARE alot better than most evryone else, the us keeps bases in those countries for a reason, reasons that the locals - possesed of short memories - conveniently forget. I dont really care if your offended by reality, that would be your problem, not mine. Quite simply, the US is alot better behaved than most others, the US is only superpower... and yet... instead of taking over the world, the us is an INTERVENTIONIST force. So yes, compared to most, the US is alot better.

  • Where are you from thats so much better? The US isnt nice, but we are alot better than everyone else.

  • Tell that to the Jews, Nazi-boy.

  • What's most beautiful to me about this evocative and powerful music is that I was there as a little kid when this movie came out, and everyone went to a dirve-in with picnic grounds and we all watched it together as Americans with a spirit of Americanism that was truly unique and admirable. There was so much love in middle America, and we loved each other. You could really feel it, and I will always remember that feeling as the ended and we all got up to leave together. Then JFK was hit by CIA

  • Oh Brother and good grief !

  • One of my favorite westerns. And

    " " "  " musicals.

    Some of the wagon ruts the pioneers made

    are still there. And some of the Old West

    characters were still alive when my dad was

    young:

    Bat Masterson, Wyatt Earp, Annie Oakley,

    Mark Twain, Frank James, Cole Younger, etc.

    Tx 4 the post

  • Wyatt Earp is a distant relative of mine. My older sisters saw the lineage in an old family Bible my grandmother had. Unfortunately, my granddad on the Earp side of the family died from heart disease years before I was born. He probably could have filled in lots of family roots information to go with the Bible records. I saw this movie in Cinerama at the Baltimore Town Theatre back in 1962 when I was 12 years old.

  • Where is that generation ??

  • Sound of the good ol' Red, White, And Blue right here...

  • im related to the person who composed this song :D

  • Here I am again, , A Newman lives in Barnsley, A Newman has now been released out of prison, I think you and me are related.

  • no we aren't b/c A. Newman died a LOOOOOOONG time ago.......(1970)

  • the most awesome Soundtrack. Can't hear it enough.

  • dude! I didn't know this was a Real song! we should sing this in band!

  • "When we will hear such a score again?"

    Perhaps in 2000 years time.

  • playing this song in band :]]

  • out standing I saw this film when it came out, this music is just excelent

  • Thank you for this upload! Classic Americana...

    From another era when scores in movies were treated as perhaps the single best contributors to the film!

    When we will we hear such a score again?

  • Simply superb!

  • Epic!

  • cuano lo vuelva a oir espero que......

  • Absolutely wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS A MILLION FOR UPLOADING THIS GREAT SONG!!!!

  • the promise land..

    never forgot

  • one of the best western theme..., thanks for posting.

  • I like this version.Are there CD of this version.Where do I buy?

  • SUPERB!

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