Until america & the religious continue their habit of genital mutilation & don't stop this invasive barbarism, they will continue to be disliked around the world seen, rightly so, as primitive barbaric cowards who destroy others peoples sexuality against their will (infants do not request to be mutilated shortly after birth, demented parents & money hungry american "surgeons" do this for them). The USA has a worldwide reputation of lying profusely and conducting hideous crimes against humanity.
this man is a f***ing liar, a dreadful person who does not impress me with his claok. His comment are vile and should be stripped of his "doctor title". This is outrageous. He is a classic american with hideous remarks that should put him behind bars. I am disgusted by the despicable individual.
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“ The five components of the foreskin that are routinely removed during circumcision are more sensitive then the most sensitive part of the circumcised penis which is the amputation scar on the ventral side.”(1)
1.Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis . BJU 2006 Oct:22, pp. 864-869
20,000 pleasure nerves removed is a weak argument for you? How interesting? The gliding mechanism of the foreskin facilitating sex argument must be trivial for u also? Doesnt make you sound very professional when u dismiss 20, 000 pleasure nerves, and the loss of functional anatomy.
No mention is made about the Rights of the Child to Intact Genitalia. The internet is full of videos and comments by circumcised men who resent having this done to them and their foreskins taken from them. No mention is made about the fact that circumcision of girls is illegal in the USA. None of the supposed benefits apply to babies, as babies do not have sex, they do not require foreskin retraction for cleaning, and the standard of care for infection is antibiotics not pre-emptive amputation.
In what Circumcision Pamphlet is it included among the "cons" that babies do die from this procedure? That it is Arguably a Human Rights Violation? That there are movements in many countries of men who try to Restore their foreskins? None of these things are mentioned in any pamphlet for parents. The pamphlets are not even trying to provide the 'other side'. The parents' decisions based on such rubbish are not well-informed.
And in the case of non-therapeutic circumcision what is being cured? Nothing! What disease is being treated? None! What other surgical operation is OFFERED to parents to have performed on their newborn when Nothing Is Wrong?! None! What other body part is so demonised and feared that pre-emptive and involuntary surgery is OFFERED for it? None! What is being OFFERED is the amputation of Normal Healthy Functional and EROGENOUS Genital Tissue.
This approach of modern doctors (especially in the USA) to give patients the "pros and cons" of a procedure or treatment and then "let the patient decide for themselves" is ludicrous! How the hell is the patient meant to know the right thing to do? That is what the patient is paying the bloody doctor for! The freedom of choice of the patient means the freedom to say yes or no, but how can the patient do that if the doctor doesn't even have an opinion!
Worldwide circumcised males may make up to about a third of the population but the majority of those are Muslims and the majority of them do not perform neonatal circumcision. In other words, the majority of circumcised men in the world were not 'done' at birth and yet they seemed to survive. The majority of the men in world, who are of course intact, have also survived in spite of their foreskins. So how about we wait until the male is old enough to decide for himself?
It is obvious to most intelligent well-informed people that the key to a strong immune system is good quality food (which probably doesn't exist in the USA and that is not a joke), fresh water and clean air (which also probably do not exist in the USA and many other parts of the world). We are poisoning ourselves physically and mentally and then we imbibe and ingest medicines (drugs) which are actually poisons to suppress the symptoms.
Infant "discomfort" during and after the operation? I think you mean pain. I have heard conflicting reports on how effective local anaesthetics are on an infant during the operation, but it is well known that doctors only started using anaesthetics recently and the man in this video would have been circumcised without anaesthetic. Some doctors still don't use anaesthetics.
Just look at Sweden for example. A country with a really low rate of HIV cases, low rate of peniscanser and so on. Almost no one is circumcised here. To me it clearly prove that what this so called "doctor" claims are pure bullshit.
His reason for promoting circumcision of infants is becuase he earn about 300 dollar per circumcison which takes basicly no time to perfrorm.
routine circumcision is not routine! just in the US. and not a third of the worlds men are circumsized. just americans, arabs and jews. the rest of us are intact and loving it. stop the mutilation now please.
Looks like "Dr." Tummy could use a "circumcision" for his fat gut! I'm only saying this because he seems to be so willing to accommodate a parent's OCD prejudice against foreskins, which are far better looking than his spare tyre. Physician heal thyself!
The "people" who use excuses to cut the genitals of children deserve every bad thing that ever happens to them, regardless of heritage. There are no reasons, only excuses.
No. It's not a parent's choice, it's a boy's choice when he turns 18. If you think otherwise, then you are a quack. This is medical and religious tyranny.
How about torturous pain you fucking pediatrician, your supposed to be protecting and helping children not fucking up their dicks.
Reduces the risk from 3% to 2%, Fuck you for stating that as a benefit when females risk is 8%. You're part of the reason America is a shit hole when it comes to children's rights.
there are glans in the forskin that produce natural anti biodics that actualy greatly reduce the posibilitys of getting genatal worts urinairy tract infection hiv aid and much more.
still need more of a reason ok they sell the forskin with out your notification.
I had sex last night with somebody I don't know. He was uncut and it was gross. It tasted like doggie dick and my panties still smell like the cheese. He came inside me.
What is missing in the arguments is that there is no reason to do it, and that it also removes HIS right to an intact body. Until we get away from the "rights of the parent" to force surgery that has no ethical basis upon their child, and consider the rights of that child to make their own decisions when they are old enough, the rest of the "reasons" are all a smoke screen.
When I was about 5 this man grabbed me off the street and pulled my into a van.
He proceeded to pull of my pants and insert my penis into a device which circumscribed me. I dont remember the pain but the starts still linger. He also inserted some strange device in my anus that communicates with outer space and receives random messages from aliens. Did I mention I like chicken soup?
Uhm the benefits were a load of shit. I can speak from personal experience that hygiene is not an issue. Reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases is based on one study by Jewish (gasp) doctors. It is totally pointless and the reason i hear people give for it is "I had one so now my son will too". No one ever stops and thinks about these things. Let the person decide for themselves when they are adults. Is that too much to ask?
We all know, as is the case with ALL DOGMA, if you let people make these decisions as rational adults they will refuse.
That self-serving study was done without comparison to the use of condoms.
A family member didn't know what to do about circ with her son, so she asked the doc, practicing in a hospital in one of the 10 largest US cities, who said, "If the father is circ'ed then the son should be; the son should be like the father." So they did it. That says it all as to why people do it.
I am so glad I didn't have my baby cut. It's terrible. I could never do that to my baby. This proceedure is too accepted. People just think it's the thing to do. It's a jewish religious traditon and it's so popular b/c alot of jews were doc's.
You Americans want to puck my guts up. How dare you sexually mutilate young unconsenting baby boys. Can you do that to baby girls? Fuck feminist fascists.
People who have grown up in a society that cuts children's genitals think that is their sexual preference because that is all they know. A whole penis works better for both the man and his partner. A foreskin improves sexual function and pleasure for all involved. Only someone totally clueless about this would be glad for having less than what nature intended.
@RoseFink It's not jus for sexual perference...no one is really reading about circumcising at all to even judge the most important reason of why it should be done!
Thank God? Imagine if your man was uncircumcised, would he want it done today? Good luck getting a guy to let anyone near his penis with a sharp object. Just stick to cutting newborns who have no say in the matter. Your god's handy work obviously wasn't good enough.
The alleged benefits of circumcision do not outweigh the risks of the procedure, and NO medical sociey advocates routine circumcision.
Problems associated with infant circumcision may not even come to light until after puberty (e.g. too much skin removal, causing erection discomfort, or loss of penile sensitivity). There's no valid reason to circumcise babies. The procedure is rare everywhere in Europe.
There are no benefits of circumcision. You are a coward to even suggest that there are benefits. Parents DO NOT have the right to partially cut off the genitals of a baby.
You are a coward for trying to justify it. Be brave. Condemn the filthy, disgusting procedure.
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Thank you for providing a balanced view of infant circumcision. So many videos on this subject on youtube only mention the alleged risks while not mentioning any of the benefits. I'm amazed that anyone would be against a simple procedure that could slow the spread of AIDS.
colers26 - I'm circumcised, I've seen videos of actual circumcisions, and I'm still enthusiastic about circumicison. Men can lose a little of the foreskin and still be fine. And the benefits of circumcison outweighs the negatives
This is your pschological problem. You refuse to admit 'This should not have been done to me'. To stop this disgusting, filthy procedure, have courage and vehemntly argue against it.
Circumcision is not a good way to help prevent the spread of any desease. It is the same as saying to someone going to a dangerous part of town "Just carry this mace and you'll be fine." Counting on mace to keep you safe is rediculous as it just imboldens you to go somewhere you shouldnt. Telling someone to get circ, and you wont get AIDS is the same irrisponsible thing. The only circumcision that should be allowed is by adult concent of the person. Anything else is forced mutilation.
Ludicrous, stupid argument. Cutting the whole penis off will prevent the spread of AIDS even more. Sowing up vaginas would also help prevent the spread of AIDS. Do we do these things? No, of course not.
Just out of curiosity why don't you do one on how to care for an intact boy. I frequently read stories about parents getting incorrect information with regard to this; being told they have to retract and wash despite the fact that even the AAP care info says to leave it alone, don't retract, just wipe like a finger.
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would work for source material. As would N.O.C.I.R.C. and D.O.C.
It is impossible to prove that a religious practice is wrong, since it is based on "faith."
Probably the best way to eliminate circumcision is to get the insurance companies to stop paying for it. Many already refuse to pay. And perhaps the procedure should be more expensive due to the potential risks you mention.
I agree with you in part on this point. The more insurance drops this procedure the more likely parents are to think twice about it. However, Medicade still covers this in 26 states and eliminating that would be a good start. But I think it must go further. I think doctors have to be more assertive in their ethical obligations, as noted in previous comment. To be sure some won't but the more that do would make parents think just that much more. Sorry for the long posts.
When a thousand years of culture, societal pressure and religion has designated a practice acceptable, I think it is a little harsh to call parents and doctors careless mutilators.
I am not defending circumcision, however the "nerve ending" argument is weak. Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation. Nerves can regenerate. I admit that most, if not all, PRO-circ arguments are extremely weak also.
Why is that? There are many religious practices that were done in the past that we would not tolerate today. Many in Indonesia and Egypt claim that FGM is a religious requirement, and there are Imams who back them up on this. Yet we won't tolerated it and further consider it mutilation. You should check out a video available right here at youtube look at user: RaraRina and the comments. They are right down the MC party line.
If some expat came into your office with a child that had an obvious hot iron brand on their body would you notify CPS even if they claimed, and you could verify, that it was part of their religion or culture?
Excellent, well stated argument. I really have no intention to defend the medical establishment on this issue. I think that circumcision will fall out of favor with time. My personal experience suggested that parents pressured us to perform the procedure and were often angered if we chose not to do it due to "risk factors." I saw many families make extraordinary effort to make the copay for the procedure.
Healthykidtips - Thanks for replying promptly. I don't think anyone can expect you to defend the medical establishment; there is too much to be said and the space provided is too confining to have a reasonable discussion. However I believe that the medical establishment has failed boys with respect to this issue. It has been nearly 36 years since circumcision was officially recognized (in the US that is) as being a non-therapeutic procedure yet some still grope endlessly for a justification.
So you know I don't think it is solely the problem of the 'med est'. You're right society does play a role too. Consider the role of the mass media. Perhaps you remember the Fergusson paper, Pediatrics 2006; 118: 1971-1977. Despite the fact it contradicted two much larger studies it was plastered all over US papers as a justification to circumcise. However, when Dickson et al J Pediatr. 2008 Mar;152(3):A3 corroborate the results of these two larger studies not a one line was printed about this.
@healthykidtips Parents cannot force a doctor (or any professional) to do something they don't want to do. It's called having a Principles and sticking by them. This requires having a spine; remember they taught you about that in med school? Circumcision will only fall out of favour if socalled medical professionals such as yourself stand up against it, something you are obviously not doing. Be a leader.
healthykidstips: I don't really uderstand this nerves can regenerate statement that you made. The nerves are cut and the foreskin is gone. How do those nerves regenerate and what do they regenerate to? I guess the same arguments you use, nerve regeneration, culture, societal pressure and religion can be used to defend female circumcision also. Are you saying because you think "nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation" that there isn't any?
@healthykidtips Who's culture? Are you saying that you are Jewish? Slavery existed for thousands of years, does that make it right? No, by modern standards we would say that it is wrong to own other people (including wives and children).
I think you may be biased about the sensation issue because you are a circumcised heterosexual male. You have no personal sexual experience with intact penises but alot of other people do and are prepared to vouch for the difference.
@healthykidtips Additionally, secular circumcision began in your country for the precise reason to reduce sexual pleasure and function. Religious circumcision has been argued by Maimonides to serve the same purpose. A little consideration makes it obvious to the thinking individual that amputating the foreskin will affect sexual sensation and function. Do you think that amputating the eyelids would not affect sight or that permanent exposure of the tongue would not affect taste?
@healthykidtips Your culture finds the concept of female circumcision abhorrent. Yet male circumcision is convention. There is not one culture that practices female circumcision that does not also practice male circumcision. And the history of circumcision is aligned with the history of myriad body mutilations including other forms of genital mutilation such as subincision, infibulation and castration.
@healthykidtips It is quite plain to much of the rest of the world that the USA has a seriously twisted mentality regarding the issue of circumcision, and that in general the function and nature of the intact penis are not understood at all by most American doctors (largely because they don't have one). And we all know how and why circumcision began in your country.
@healthykidtips We also know the huge Money Machine that controls most US society. Doctors are not so much Healers as they are Sales Reps for Corporations and Products. They get paid largely to cut and to drug and the Medical Industry in your country is a disgrace. Circumcision is a billion dollar industry that is part of a trillion dollar industry and I doubt it will be ending any time soon, especially while most socalled US doctors remain so spineless and greedy.
@healthykidtips You should be ashamed of yourself making comments like these. The "nerve-ending" argument is weak? Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation? Nerves can regenerate?
Where do I begin? It has been determined that there are up to 20000 nerve-endings in the foreskin; specialised touch-sensitive ones called Meisner's Corpusles similar to those found in the lips and finger-tips.
@healthykidtips It has been established that the most sensitive zones of the intact penis are on the foreskin and they are more sensitive than the most sensitive zones on the circumcised penis. It has been established that the glans of the intact penis is more sensitive than the glans of the circumcised penis. The glans itself is said to have only 4000 nerve-endings (not Meisner's Corpuscles). There are personal testimonies of many men circumcised as adults regarding their changes in sensation.
@healthykidtips You plead ignorance on this simply because you are circumcised and have never known an intact penis.
Nerves can regenerate? What do you mean? How can severed nerve-endings "regenerate"? What are you talking about? I'd say you are in denial like many other circumcised American males.
And by the way your handle is quite ironic. "healthykidtips" are what your hospitals sell pharmaceutical and cosmetics companies to make even more money off this disgusting practice.
@healthykidtips "I am not defending circumcision, however the "nerve ending" argument is weak. Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation."
watch?v=NAHGFx95D80
Watch that video. This man knows very well the correlation between nerves and feeling. He was circed at 18 and became essentially impotent. Isn't the sole function of nerves to feel? It would stand to reason more nerves = more feeling. Where did you go to med school? Afghanistan?
To freedomof5peech. I'm actually not PRO-circ. In fact, I think it is an unnecessary procedure. However, terms like "mutilation" are harsh and probably counterproductive when used by the anti-circ movement. Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. I was required to do them as part of my residency but don't do them now. I agree that culture and ritual are the primary reasons circ's are still performed.
HealthyKidTips - I appreciate that you don't perform this procedure and to a point, I agree that terms like "mutilation" can be too harsh and may turn people off to the message. But I have to wonder how a caring doctor could perform such a procedure?
The Canadian medical ethicists, Dr. Margaret Sommerville, perhaps said it best:
"A common error made by those who want to justify infant male circumcision on the basis of medical benefits is that they believe that as long as some such benefits are present, circumcision can be justified as therapeutic, in the sense of preventive health care. This is not correct. A medical-benefits or "therapeutic" justification requires that:
I know this. You know this. It seems most other commenters know this. Why then do doctors accede to the parents when it is clearly not a therapeutic procedure. Most doctors contend that it was because "the parents wanted it". Yet, the AAP Committee on Bioethics report states, "Pediatric health care providers. . . have legal and ethical duties to their child patients to render competent medical care based on what the patient needs, not what someone else expresses. . . .
The pediatrician's responsibilities to his or her patient exist independent of parental desires or proxy consent." (p. 315)[2]
So it is not medically theapeutic AND it is against their own code of ethics to accept proxy consent in such cases simply because the boy does not need a circumcision. So in effect most OBGYNs and Pediatricians are violating their own code of ethics by acceding to the wishes of the parents.
Why does this state of affairs exist? Why are more doctors not openly against it simply from this easy ethical point of view? This is really a no brainer.
[1] Sommerville, Margaret Dr. The Ethical Canary: Science, Society and the Human Spirit: Penguin Group, 2000.
[2] American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Bioethics. "Informed Consent, Parental Permission, and Assent in Pediatric Practice." Pediatrics 95 (1995): 314
healthykidtips If amputating a normal functioning part of an infant's anatomy isn't mutilation what do you suggest it is?
If doctors are so good and caring why do they approach new parents with the circumcision question? Why even bring it up? I had a doctor approach me with that question with my youngest and he even started retracting my baby's foreskin. That's wrong! He just wanted the money for the procedure. I know he isn't representative of all doctors but I'm sure he is of many of them.
@healthykidtips The term Circumcision is euphemistic. If you find offense with the term Genital Mutilation then perhaps you can accept Genital Cutting. You can't argue with that. You are cutting and amputating healthy genital tissue from a baby boy.
Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. Well, many good, caring Mohels perform the procedure. Many good, caring Imams perform circumcision on girls. Obviously all of these people are ignorant and misguided and...
@healthykidtips ...good and caring people though many may be, this practice is not a good and caring one. Custom will reconcile people to any atrocitiy, and fashion will drive them to aquire any custom. The time has come for Doctors to admit that they have made a very big mistake. But in our society it is considered a sign of weakness for professionals to admit error so they rarely apologise and take responsibility for their mistakes. This is poor character.
@healthykidtips "Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. I was required to do them as part of my residency but don't do them now."
You violated your Hippocratic oath with every unnecessary surgery you performed, whether the parents wanted it or not. You should be smart enough to know this. I pray one day that we have ethical oversight in our medicine so callous, thoughtless, unfeeling people like you aren't allowed to practice senseless violence in the name of medicine.
I'd thought you'd enjoy reading an article about a man from your country, Austrailia. When the article was written he was 26 same age as you are now. Google "Shane's circumcision nightmare", read the article and let me know what you think.
I am a circumcised male and proud of it. I'm glad I was circumcised when I was a baby - thanks mom and dad! I wish all men were circumcised. Reduced risk of urinary tract infection. Possible reduced risk of STDs. Better hygiene. Reduced risk of penile cancer. Circumcision is great!!!!!!
Your wrong on every point. The STD info is false, and gets proven false everytime someone trys to claim it.
You're glad your parents had you cut up, mutilated, removed the best part of your penis, and you think they did it cause they love you? Ask them... you'll see... they did it cause daddy didn't want to feel bad about his penis, so he had you mutilated too.
You mentioned UTI as a down side of not circumcising, except the study that was done (by Wiswell) was determined by the AAP (in 1989) to be "flawed and tainted by bias". This was because the statistics of intact babies were with mostly premies who generally had catheters which were more likely to be the cause of infection.
To read about this, Google for: "circumcision doesnt effectively prevent uti"
Thus I believe your UTI statement was inaccurate.
"Williams & Kapila estimated the incidence of complications at 10%; In the survey by Kim & Pang, 48% reported decreased masturbatory pleasure, 63% reported increased masturbatory difficulty, and 20% reported a worsened sex life after circumcision."
Williams N, Kapila L. Complications of circumcision. Brit J Surg 1993;80:1231-6.
Kim D, Pang M. Effect of male circumcision on sexuality. BJU Int 2006 Published on line ahead of print. doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
CIRCUMCISION RISKS: Pain Oozing Excessive Bleeding Damaged Urethral Opening Loss Of Sensitivity Loss Of Sexual Sensation Scarring Skin Bridging Scar Tissue Grown Toward The Tip Loss Of Outer Skin Layers Concealed Penis Life Threatening Bacterial Infection Partial (or full) Amputation Death (about 250 a year in the USA)
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it is better to be circumcised. i was circumcised at 18 and ive never looked back. some people talk about 'choice' well, i had no choice but to go through 2 operations to be circumcised. go figure. im sick of hearing anti circ propaganda, its all just untrue.
The stats do say that 1% of males will need a medical reason to have it done. This is not a reason to do it to 99% of the others.
Simply: Do it when it's necessary.
Anti-circ views are not untrue, nor are they propaganda. If anything, the false studies being done by the pro-circ fanatics ARE propaganda, as time and time again their results are found to make misleading conclusions.
"Anti-circ views are not untrue, nor are they propaganda."
The pro-circ'ers want everyone to think that anti-circ'ers are some odd bunch of crazy people. But what they forget is that 85% of the world is anti-circ! The pro-circ'ers only have a small 15% mark, and they are declining fast!
What do you mean you had no choice? Of course you had a choice. You could either get circumcised or stay intact. You claim you chose to get circumcised. 2 operations? You must not have been happy with the results of the first one. Big deal you big crybaby! Thank your parents you had the choice. Babies who are mutilated at birth are the ones who have no choice. Men who were mutilated at birth are the ones who have no choice. All men should have the same choice you had.
some adult circs need 2 operations for them to be just right. for every man who is 'unhappy' with being circumcised there are thousands who are just fine with it. i dont like seeing people unhappy but at the same time i hope anyone who is unhappy with their circ can move past it and spend their time enjoying their lives. i dont believe the anti circ movement wants this to happen because then there would be no one to carry on their nefarious emotional blackmail of everyone. FFS let it go.
What problem do you have with men being happy with their intact status? Telling them to amputate their foreskins. It's insane to even suggest this. What problem do you have with men having the choice? Cutting of a baby's foreskin is so wrong. It's 4ever. It takes the choice away from the man. I don't think there is one person who is against infant circumcision that cares what an adult does to his body. Nobody is mourning the loss of your foreskin. Nobody cares except maybe you.
i have never said i have a problem with foreskins at all. i have a problem with some individuals who push an anti-circ agenda in a nasty and nefarious manner. circumcision is the oldest medical procedure on earth and thanks to rational parents, medical staff and recent studies it is here to stay no matter what you do.
i just dont think circumcision is as bad as you all make it out to be, its silly scaremongering and its not fair for you to make judgments of other peoples lives.
izafhtthng6 If you think vicious threats will help bring an end to this form of sexual abuse of children you are sadly mistaken.
After hearing Dr. James Snyder's lecture and slides of many children severely damaged by circumcision I can understand the degree of anger held by some. Snyder said one young man who had suffered a complete loss of penis was beyond angry.
It's funny how American doctors refer to the foreskin as a mere "piece of skin" covering the penis head. In fact the foreskin is highly specialised TISSUE. Particularly its tip is densely supplied with erogenous nerve endings. Doctors discussing circumcision really should be able to describe the foreskin's sexual function. How else can a parent make an informed decision?
There is no benefit to circumcision. It was started as a means to desensitize the penis in hopes of preventing boys from masturbating. Many false benefits have been claimed in an attempt to keep the practice alive. Male Circumcision is now illegal in most European countries because it is sexual child abuse.
"There ia a decrease in masturbatory pleasure & sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, due to loss of nerve endings. There was no difference in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, or ejaculation latency time between circumcised & uncircumcised men."
DaiSik Kim, Myung-Geol Pang (2006) Effect of male circumcision on sexuality BJU International (OnlineEarly Articles). doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
If you are circumcised, your nerves are pressure nerves, not touch nerves, so you are unable to ever feel true touch, only pressure. This is one of the reasons circumcised males tend to focus on getting to the orgasm instead of enjoying the sensation, and is also a reason so many circumcised males prefer anal sex (tighter = more pressure).
Interestingly European males tend to last longer and have less erectile issues than American males, and 95% of European males are NOT circumcised.
Circumcised penises are dried out, turned grey (instead of the natural purple), have many layers of dead skin covering the head (glans), have hair growing on the shaft (due to loss of skin), are scared with a poop-brown ring, are bumpy (due to pulling the foreskin away from babys glans), etc.
Here's a short list of circumcision risks: Pain Oozing Excessive Bleeding Damaged Urethral Opening Loss Of Sensitivity Loss Of Sexual Sensation Scarring Skin Bridging Scar Tissue Grown Toward The Tip Loss Of Outer Skin Layers Concealed Penis Life Threatening Bacterial Infection Partial (or full) Amputation Death
"Male circumcision removes nerves from the penis and causes significant loss of sexual sensitivity and function. For this reason, many circumcised men are reluctant to use condoms. A program of mass circumcision may reduce condom usage and have an adverse effect on the overall HIV infection incidence."
Taylor JR, Lockwood AP, Taylor AJ. Br J Urol 1996;77:291-5.
Kim D, Pang M. BJU Int 2006 doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
Infections you've heard about happen to infants when parents forcibly retract the foreskin (the foreskin is attached to the head like the nail is attached to the finger). This causes an open would that can lead to infection. Doctors haven't recommended forced retraction since the 1960's. It's well known that foreskin naturally separates from the head later in life. And because it's attached as an infant, it's impossible for anythng to get under & cause infection unless the parent tares it away.
Contains about 4,000 nerve endings, but they are pressure/pain-sensitive, not touch sensitive. These pressure/pain-sensitive nerves are called "Pacinian Corpuscles" and "Free Nerves"
Male Foreskin:
Contains about 20,000 nerve endings which are extremely touch sensitive (like the female clitoris). These touch-sensitive nerves are called "Meissner's Corpuscles"
Adequate pain control is very rare in routine circumcision. Even 20 minutes before the procedure the intact infant is probably sleeping soundly, unaware that anyone is planning perform unneccessary genital cosmetic surgery.
It would be more humane and less harmful to do piercings and install metal rings all up and down the shaft. But that wouldn't be allowed. Why?
None of these procedures around the operation, nor painkillers afterward, deal with the sting of urine in the wound - and the agony of the severed nerve endings - for the next two weeks or so.
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Dorsal penile nerve block (DNPB) involves two injections of lidocaine at the base of the penis. Despite the shots, this technique greatly reduces overall pain (Journal of Pediatrics, 1978; 92:998-1000). Bruising is the most common complication (Pediatrics,
1995; 95:705-708). Lasting problems almost never occur. The one truly unfortunate case
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Best is the subcutaneous ring block. Here, lidocaine is injected just under the skin in a ring around the shaft of the penis, about halfway back from the tip. Recent evidence
suggests that it is more consistently powerful in preventing pain through all phases of
the circumcision than either EMLA or DPNB (JAMA, 1997; 278:2157-2162). There are no reports in the medical literature of any complications.
How does the block deal with the complication of loss of over 20,000 specialized pleasure receptive nerve endings?
How does it deal with the problem of an open wound healing in fouled diapers with the patient unable to communicate about specifically what doesn't feel just right?
"Unnecessary infant discomfort" how about severe pain encoding the infant brain? Amputation of healthy erogenous tissue from someone who cannot consent is not medicine, it is a barbaric social custom. It is only with willful ignorance that this form of genital mutilation continues. Any so-called "doctor" who perpetuates this with lame references to "parents having to choose" need to examine their own shaky ethics.
I can't argue with this. Good points. I tried to keep this video neutral. Clearly there are strong opinions about this. I currently do not perform this procedure... although I was required to learn it during residency.
How can one be neutral about surgery on an individual without consent? How can one be neutral about surgery which removes healthy, functioning, erogenous tissue? Would you be neutral about parents who for reasons of social custom wish to have genital reducing surgery on infant female children?
At least you are trying to be being neutral, as the AAP recommends, but why stop there? Why not take into account the right to bodily integrity? Girls in the US have complete legal protection from unnecessary genital cutting, and boys have virtually none. Parents can have their son's foreskin cut off for any reason at all or for no reason. There is NO protection in place to protect an infant boy's genitals from unnecessary cutting. A parent can just say they don't like the way a foreskin looks.
Circumcision is performed on millions of newborns each year. I don't do it... and personally, I don't think it is necessary. The purpose of the video was to describe a common procedure without forcing my personal beliefs.
The idea of not "forcing my personal beliefs" is rather vapid perspective when were talking about something that causes such harm. Doctors take an oath to do no harm. Circumcision removes healthy developing erogenous tissue from an infant, without consent!
How do you feel about other forms of sexual oppression or racism, I guess you wouldn't want to force your beliefs about those things either.
Nature does not have "intentions". For me, it comes down to an issue of basic human rights. Unnecessary genital cutting on boys is as unethical as unnecessary cutting on girls. There are no benefits to infant circumcision that are shown to outweigh the risks.
Why does a circumcised penis allow for better hygiene? This isn't rocket science: Retract, rinse, replace. BTW, a "PERSONal" decision is made by the PERSON affected, not the parents!
Indeed parents do have to make personal decisions for minors when there is a medical need. Infant circumcision has been consistently deemed "unnecessary" by all major medical associations. So how can any parent or doctor make a "personal" decision to perform unnecessary surgery, based on an "assumption"?
Parents need to weight the best available evidence and decide what interventions are worth doing. Vaccines are almost a no-brainer, while routine circumcision is not recommended by any national medical association on earth, not even Israel's.
Parents are obligated to act as proxy for the boy who is unable to make competent medical decisions for himself. What is the problem with a healthy penis, where the parent is required to make a decision? Circumcision is a cure looking desperately for a cause. There is no major medical organization in the US which recommends routine infant circumcision. NONE. At best, the decision should be deferred until the boy is old enough to take part in the consent process. After all, it *IS* his penis.
And they never mention that cleaning under the foreskin is FUN! (Come to think of it, that would have been part of the reason routine circumcision was started.)
Doctor Davis, you are an asshole.
Brilliantatheist 3 months ago
what a load of shit
LethalDozePL 4 months ago
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Until america & the religious continue their habit of genital mutilation & don't stop this invasive barbarism, they will continue to be disliked around the world seen, rightly so, as primitive barbaric cowards who destroy others peoples sexuality against their will (infants do not request to be mutilated shortly after birth, demented parents & money hungry american "surgeons" do this for them). The USA has a worldwide reputation of lying profusely and conducting hideous crimes against humanity.
trident3b 8 months ago
this man is a f***ing liar, a dreadful person who does not impress me with his claok. His comment are vile and should be stripped of his "doctor title". This is outrageous. He is a classic american with hideous remarks that should put him behind bars. I am disgusted by the despicable individual.
trident3b 8 months ago
VISIT FOREGEN.ORG DEVELOPING REGENERATIVE MEDICINE FOR THOSE SUFFERING GENITAL INJURIES.
“ The five components of the foreskin that are routinely removed during circumcision are more sensitive then the most sensitive part of the circumcised penis which is the amputation scar on the ventral side.”(1)
1.Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis . BJU 2006 Oct:22, pp. 864-869
chaoscraig5v7o 1 year ago
20,000 pleasure nerves removed is a weak argument for you? How interesting? The gliding mechanism of the foreskin facilitating sex argument must be trivial for u also? Doesnt make you sound very professional when u dismiss 20, 000 pleasure nerves, and the loss of functional anatomy.
mindofown 1 year ago
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No mention is made about the Rights of the Child to Intact Genitalia. The internet is full of videos and comments by circumcised men who resent having this done to them and their foreskins taken from them. No mention is made about the fact that circumcision of girls is illegal in the USA. None of the supposed benefits apply to babies, as babies do not have sex, they do not require foreskin retraction for cleaning, and the standard of care for infection is antibiotics not pre-emptive amputation.
endofscene 1 year ago
In what Circumcision Pamphlet is it included among the "cons" that babies do die from this procedure? That it is Arguably a Human Rights Violation? That there are movements in many countries of men who try to Restore their foreskins? None of these things are mentioned in any pamphlet for parents. The pamphlets are not even trying to provide the 'other side'. The parents' decisions based on such rubbish are not well-informed.
endofscene 1 year ago
And in the case of non-therapeutic circumcision what is being cured? Nothing! What disease is being treated? None! What other surgical operation is OFFERED to parents to have performed on their newborn when Nothing Is Wrong?! None! What other body part is so demonised and feared that pre-emptive and involuntary surgery is OFFERED for it? None! What is being OFFERED is the amputation of Normal Healthy Functional and EROGENOUS Genital Tissue.
endofscene 1 year ago
This approach of modern doctors (especially in the USA) to give patients the "pros and cons" of a procedure or treatment and then "let the patient decide for themselves" is ludicrous! How the hell is the patient meant to know the right thing to do? That is what the patient is paying the bloody doctor for! The freedom of choice of the patient means the freedom to say yes or no, but how can the patient do that if the doctor doesn't even have an opinion!
endofscene 1 year ago
Worldwide circumcised males may make up to about a third of the population but the majority of those are Muslims and the majority of them do not perform neonatal circumcision. In other words, the majority of circumcised men in the world were not 'done' at birth and yet they seemed to survive. The majority of the men in world, who are of course intact, have also survived in spite of their foreskins. So how about we wait until the male is old enough to decide for himself?
endofscene 1 year ago
It is obvious to most intelligent well-informed people that the key to a strong immune system is good quality food (which probably doesn't exist in the USA and that is not a joke), fresh water and clean air (which also probably do not exist in the USA and many other parts of the world). We are poisoning ourselves physically and mentally and then we imbibe and ingest medicines (drugs) which are actually poisons to suppress the symptoms.
endofscene 1 year ago
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endofscene 1 year ago
Infant "discomfort" during and after the operation? I think you mean pain. I have heard conflicting reports on how effective local anaesthetics are on an infant during the operation, but it is well known that doctors only started using anaesthetics recently and the man in this video would have been circumcised without anaesthetic. Some doctors still don't use anaesthetics.
endofscene 1 year ago
Just look at Sweden for example. A country with a really low rate of HIV cases, low rate of peniscanser and so on. Almost no one is circumcised here. To me it clearly prove that what this so called "doctor" claims are pure bullshit.
His reason for promoting circumcision of infants is becuase he earn about 300 dollar per circumcison which takes basicly no time to perfrorm.
Jasminewynja 1 year ago
routine circumcision is not routine! just in the US. and not a third of the worlds men are circumsized. just americans, arabs and jews. the rest of us are intact and loving it. stop the mutilation now please.
manwithemeraldeyes 1 year ago
shouldn't this be a decision of the male that is born not the family? It is his genitals afterall
hpaddie 1 year ago
Looks like "Dr." Tummy could use a "circumcision" for his fat gut! I'm only saying this because he seems to be so willing to accommodate a parent's OCD prejudice against foreskins, which are far better looking than his spare tyre. Physician heal thyself!
gdcat777 1 year ago
The "people" who use excuses to cut the genitals of children deserve every bad thing that ever happens to them, regardless of heritage. There are no reasons, only excuses.
No. It's not a parent's choice, it's a boy's choice when he turns 18. If you think otherwise, then you are a quack. This is medical and religious tyranny.
gdcat777 1 year ago
Can this person really call himself a doctor?
1dkidd 1 year ago
Keywords for a mother who is having a baby are:
excess bleeding
fever
persistent discomfort until death
redness and swelling
missing body parts
UninstallingWindows 1 year ago
Good balanced video - no anti-circ rants or fanaticism...
bentrunch 1 year ago
discomfort? DISCOMFORT!!!
How about torturous pain you fucking pediatrician, your supposed to be protecting and helping children not fucking up their dicks.
Reduces the risk from 3% to 2%, Fuck you for stating that as a benefit when females risk is 8%. You're part of the reason America is a shit hole when it comes to children's rights.
TheWhiteRabbit1990 2 years ago 2
there are glans in the forskin that produce natural anti biodics that actualy greatly reduce the posibilitys of getting genatal worts urinairy tract infection hiv aid and much more.
still need more of a reason ok they sell the forskin with out your notification.
fuck my parents for doing it to me
ema576 2 years ago 2
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I had sex last night with somebody I don't know. He was uncut and it was gross. It tasted like doggie dick and my panties still smell like the cheese. He came inside me.
txmcxlx 2 years ago
What is missing in the arguments is that there is no reason to do it, and that it also removes HIS right to an intact body. Until we get away from the "rights of the parent" to force surgery that has no ethical basis upon their child, and consider the rights of that child to make their own decisions when they are old enough, the rest of the "reasons" are all a smoke screen.
Wake Up!
lochinvar00465 2 years ago 4
When I was about 5 this man grabbed me off the street and pulled my into a van.
He proceeded to pull of my pants and insert my penis into a device which circumscribed me. I dont remember the pain but the starts still linger. He also inserted some strange device in my anus that communicates with outer space and receives random messages from aliens. Did I mention I like chicken soup?
fyourcouchnigga 2 years ago
I'm Jewish and I still didn't want to be circumcised. Who would have thought?
Metroid1221 2 years ago 2
Healthy Kid Tips, eh? Get it? Kid Tips? Tips? Circumcision? Hilarious.
AdamNowak 2 years ago 4
What a bunch of Bull-Shit . Once again males are being educated wrong and getting
robbed over 84% of their pleasure to a deformity that doesn't cure anything!!! Now
this stupid wicked video is going to encourage Stupid hyigene freaks to undermine
other people to continue this wicked evil practice!! I give this video an (F-) !!These
people talk as if it's the cure for aids and all STDs! What a very un-humanitarian
thing to do! This fucks up a mans personal love-life!!
seaco2000 2 years ago 4
In recent news: Are males going extinct?
bokchoiman 2 years ago
Stop this now!
It is wrong and disgusting.
Persephone500 2 years ago 11
Circumcision is no more than a remnant of an ancient,religious tribal cult.
If it ain`t broke, don`t fix it.
Removing the foreskin to avoid eventual infection makes as much sense as removing your gal bladder to avoid gal stones.
Philos2006 2 years ago 9
Actually, to avoid the horror of lung cancer, I'm having my lungs removed tomorrow...
jamesharrel 2 years ago
cool, i'm getting my testicles and colon removed and hopefully i will be able to get a frontal lobotomy before i get a brain tumour!
Ryan18181 2 years ago 2
Uhm the benefits were a load of shit. I can speak from personal experience that hygiene is not an issue. Reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases is based on one study by Jewish (gasp) doctors. It is totally pointless and the reason i hear people give for it is "I had one so now my son will too". No one ever stops and thinks about these things. Let the person decide for themselves when they are adults. Is that too much to ask?
madzyzome 2 years ago 22
We all know, as is the case with ALL DOGMA, if you let people make these decisions as rational adults they will refuse.
That self-serving study was done without comparison to the use of condoms.
A family member didn't know what to do about circ with her son, so she asked the doc, practicing in a hospital in one of the 10 largest US cities, who said, "If the father is circ'ed then the son should be; the son should be like the father." So they did it. That says it all as to why people do it.
jamesharrel 2 years ago 3
I am so glad I didn't have my baby cut. It's terrible. I could never do that to my baby. This proceedure is too accepted. People just think it's the thing to do. It's a jewish religious traditon and it's so popular b/c alot of jews were doc's.
40oz2freedumm 2 years ago 18
@40oz2freedumm not jus a jewish tradition...let's do our homework on everything 1st b4 we judge!
BraveSoul85 1 year ago
When should baby circumcising MD's have there fingers removed,
As soon as possible !!!!!
kittypenny 3 years ago 8
You're a doctor! Shame on you!
Does your Hippocratic Oath mean nothing to you?
I know you know what informed consent is, you should really put 2 and 2 together and know better.
NativeGnosis 3 years ago 7
You Americans want to puck my guts up. How dare you sexually mutilate young unconsenting baby boys. Can you do that to baby girls? Fuck feminist fascists.
brendubab 3 years ago 4
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my man is circumsized, thank god. he is grateful that his mom made that choice, and so am i.
madilov11 3 years ago
People who have grown up in a society that cuts children's genitals think that is their sexual preference because that is all they know. A whole penis works better for both the man and his partner. A foreskin improves sexual function and pleasure for all involved. Only someone totally clueless about this would be glad for having less than what nature intended.
RoseFink 3 years ago 8
@RoseFink It's not jus for sexual perference...no one is really reading about circumcising at all to even judge the most important reason of why it should be done!
BraveSoul85 1 year ago
Thank God? Imagine if your man was uncircumcised, would he want it done today? Good luck getting a guy to let anyone near his penis with a sharp object. Just stick to cutting newborns who have no say in the matter. Your god's handy work obviously wasn't good enough.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago 10
Thank god? What ever happened to intelligent design? FAIL....
God b-less
omertia 2 years ago 6
I still cannot comprehend why in the first world, genital mutilation is still acceptable.
mrsym0r 3 years ago 5
The alleged benefits of circumcision do not outweigh the risks of the procedure, and NO medical sociey advocates routine circumcision.
Problems associated with infant circumcision may not even come to light until after puberty (e.g. too much skin removal, causing erection discomfort, or loss of penile sensitivity). There's no valid reason to circumcise babies. The procedure is rare everywhere in Europe.
psandbergnz 3 years ago
There are no benefits of circumcision. You are a coward to even suggest that there are benefits. Parents DO NOT have the right to partially cut off the genitals of a baby.
You are a coward for trying to justify it. Be brave. Condemn the filthy, disgusting procedure.
zensho1 3 years ago 3
If getting 30% of you penis cut off when your right out of the womb is "discomfort", then what would count as pain or torture?
heituzi 3 years ago
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Thank you for providing a balanced view of infant circumcision. So many videos on this subject on youtube only mention the alleged risks while not mentioning any of the benefits. I'm amazed that anyone would be against a simple procedure that could slow the spread of AIDS.
irvinetustin 3 years ago
watch a video on how they do the procedure and then you wont be so enthusiastic. They cut a part of your penis off that just not right!!!
colers26 3 years ago 3
colers26 - I'm circumcised, I've seen videos of actual circumcisions, and I'm still enthusiastic about circumicison. Men can lose a little of the foreskin and still be fine. And the benefits of circumcison outweighs the negatives
irvinetustin 3 years ago
What benefits? There are no benefits. If you are talking about cleanliness, it is EASY to keep the foreskin clean.
masterlegend 3 years ago
This is your pschological problem. You refuse to admit 'This should not have been done to me'. To stop this disgusting, filthy procedure, have courage and vehemntly argue against it.
zensho1 3 years ago
The benefits of circumcision do not out weigh the benefits.
zensho1 3 years ago
the benefits? i don't think there really that good to cut a peice of you off.
yashamaru101 3 years ago
It doen't slow the spread of aids. That study is a load of crap. Safe sex helps against aids, not circumcision.
masterlegend 3 years ago 3
Circumcision is not a good way to help prevent the spread of any desease. It is the same as saying to someone going to a dangerous part of town "Just carry this mace and you'll be fine." Counting on mace to keep you safe is rediculous as it just imboldens you to go somewhere you shouldnt. Telling someone to get circ, and you wont get AIDS is the same irrisponsible thing. The only circumcision that should be allowed is by adult concent of the person. Anything else is forced mutilation.
yogabear1962 3 years ago 2
It is not a simple procedure.
zensho1 3 years ago
Ludicrous, stupid argument. Cutting the whole penis off will prevent the spread of AIDS even more. Sowing up vaginas would also help prevent the spread of AIDS. Do we do these things? No, of course not.
zensho1 3 years ago 3
Help,my pro-circ friend is going to commit suicide because when he gets real old,he might die a painful death suffering from cancer.
DancerInTheHeart 3 years ago
Just out of curiosity why don't you do one on how to care for an intact boy. I frequently read stories about parents getting incorrect information with regard to this; being told they have to retract and wash despite the fact that even the AAP care info says to leave it alone, don't retract, just wipe like a finger.
cirp org SLASH library SLASH hygiene
cirp org SLASH library SLASH normal
would work for source material. As would N.O.C.I.R.C. and D.O.C.
jwhispers1 3 years ago 2
It is impossible to prove that a religious practice is wrong, since it is based on "faith."
Probably the best way to eliminate circumcision is to get the insurance companies to stop paying for it. Many already refuse to pay. And perhaps the procedure should be more expensive due to the potential risks you mention.
healthykidtips 3 years ago
I agree with you in part on this point. The more insurance drops this procedure the more likely parents are to think twice about it. However, Medicade still covers this in 26 states and eliminating that would be a good start. But I think it must go further. I think doctors have to be more assertive in their ethical obligations, as noted in previous comment. To be sure some won't but the more that do would make parents think just that much more. Sorry for the long posts.
jwhispers1 3 years ago 2
When a thousand years of culture, societal pressure and religion has designated a practice acceptable, I think it is a little harsh to call parents and doctors careless mutilators.
I am not defending circumcision, however the "nerve ending" argument is weak. Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation. Nerves can regenerate. I admit that most, if not all, PRO-circ arguments are extremely weak also.
healthykidtips 3 years ago
Why is that? There are many religious practices that were done in the past that we would not tolerate today. Many in Indonesia and Egypt claim that FGM is a religious requirement, and there are Imams who back them up on this. Yet we won't tolerated it and further consider it mutilation. You should check out a video available right here at youtube look at user: RaraRina and the comments. They are right down the MC party line.
jwhispers1 3 years ago
If some expat came into your office with a child that had an obvious hot iron brand on their body would you notify CPS even if they claimed, and you could verify, that it was part of their religion or culture?
jwhispers1 3 years ago 5
Excellent, well stated argument. I really have no intention to defend the medical establishment on this issue. I think that circumcision will fall out of favor with time. My personal experience suggested that parents pressured us to perform the procedure and were often angered if we chose not to do it due to "risk factors." I saw many families make extraordinary effort to make the copay for the procedure.
healthykidtips 3 years ago
Healthykidtips - Thanks for replying promptly. I don't think anyone can expect you to defend the medical establishment; there is too much to be said and the space provided is too confining to have a reasonable discussion. However I believe that the medical establishment has failed boys with respect to this issue. It has been nearly 36 years since circumcision was officially recognized (in the US that is) as being a non-therapeutic procedure yet some still grope endlessly for a justification.
jwhispers1 3 years ago 2
So you know I don't think it is solely the problem of the 'med est'. You're right society does play a role too. Consider the role of the mass media. Perhaps you remember the Fergusson paper, Pediatrics 2006; 118: 1971-1977. Despite the fact it contradicted two much larger studies it was plastered all over US papers as a justification to circumcise. However, when Dickson et al J Pediatr. 2008 Mar;152(3):A3 corroborate the results of these two larger studies not a one line was printed about this.
jwhispers1 3 years ago
@healthykidtips Parents cannot force a doctor (or any professional) to do something they don't want to do. It's called having a Principles and sticking by them. This requires having a spine; remember they taught you about that in med school? Circumcision will only fall out of favour if socalled medical professionals such as yourself stand up against it, something you are obviously not doing. Be a leader.
endofscene 1 year ago
healthykidstips: I don't really uderstand this nerves can regenerate statement that you made. The nerves are cut and the foreskin is gone. How do those nerves regenerate and what do they regenerate to? I guess the same arguments you use, nerve regeneration, culture, societal pressure and religion can be used to defend female circumcision also. Are you saying because you think "nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation" that there isn't any?
2live42day 3 years ago 4
@healthykidtips Who's culture? Are you saying that you are Jewish? Slavery existed for thousands of years, does that make it right? No, by modern standards we would say that it is wrong to own other people (including wives and children).
I think you may be biased about the sensation issue because you are a circumcised heterosexual male. You have no personal sexual experience with intact penises but alot of other people do and are prepared to vouch for the difference.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips Additionally, secular circumcision began in your country for the precise reason to reduce sexual pleasure and function. Religious circumcision has been argued by Maimonides to serve the same purpose. A little consideration makes it obvious to the thinking individual that amputating the foreskin will affect sexual sensation and function. Do you think that amputating the eyelids would not affect sight or that permanent exposure of the tongue would not affect taste?
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips Your culture finds the concept of female circumcision abhorrent. Yet male circumcision is convention. There is not one culture that practices female circumcision that does not also practice male circumcision. And the history of circumcision is aligned with the history of myriad body mutilations including other forms of genital mutilation such as subincision, infibulation and castration.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips It is quite plain to much of the rest of the world that the USA has a seriously twisted mentality regarding the issue of circumcision, and that in general the function and nature of the intact penis are not understood at all by most American doctors (largely because they don't have one). And we all know how and why circumcision began in your country.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips We also know the huge Money Machine that controls most US society. Doctors are not so much Healers as they are Sales Reps for Corporations and Products. They get paid largely to cut and to drug and the Medical Industry in your country is a disgrace. Circumcision is a billion dollar industry that is part of a trillion dollar industry and I doubt it will be ending any time soon, especially while most socalled US doctors remain so spineless and greedy.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips You should be ashamed of yourself making comments like these. The "nerve-ending" argument is weak? Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation? Nerves can regenerate?
Where do I begin? It has been determined that there are up to 20000 nerve-endings in the foreskin; specialised touch-sensitive ones called Meisner's Corpusles similar to those found in the lips and finger-tips.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips It has been established that the most sensitive zones of the intact penis are on the foreskin and they are more sensitive than the most sensitive zones on the circumcised penis. It has been established that the glans of the intact penis is more sensitive than the glans of the circumcised penis. The glans itself is said to have only 4000 nerve-endings (not Meisner's Corpuscles). There are personal testimonies of many men circumcised as adults regarding their changes in sensation.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips You plead ignorance on this simply because you are circumcised and have never known an intact penis.
Nerves can regenerate? What do you mean? How can severed nerve-endings "regenerate"? What are you talking about? I'd say you are in denial like many other circumcised American males.
And by the way your handle is quite ironic. "healthykidtips" are what your hospitals sell pharmaceutical and cosmetics companies to make even more money off this disgusting practice.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips "I am not defending circumcision, however the "nerve ending" argument is weak. Nobody knows the correlation between these numbers and actual function and sensation."
watch?v=NAHGFx95D80
Watch that video. This man knows very well the correlation between nerves and feeling. He was circed at 18 and became essentially impotent. Isn't the sole function of nerves to feel? It would stand to reason more nerves = more feeling. Where did you go to med school? Afghanistan?
antimutilation 1 year ago
To freedomof5peech. I'm actually not PRO-circ. In fact, I think it is an unnecessary procedure. However, terms like "mutilation" are harsh and probably counterproductive when used by the anti-circ movement. Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. I was required to do them as part of my residency but don't do them now. I agree that culture and ritual are the primary reasons circ's are still performed.
healthykidtips 3 years ago
HealthyKidTips - I appreciate that you don't perform this procedure and to a point, I agree that terms like "mutilation" can be too harsh and may turn people off to the message. But I have to wonder how a caring doctor could perform such a procedure?
The Canadian medical ethicists, Dr. Margaret Sommerville, perhaps said it best:
jwhispers1 3 years ago
"A common error made by those who want to justify infant male circumcision on the basis of medical benefits is that they believe that as long as some such benefits are present, circumcision can be justified as therapeutic, in the sense of preventive health care. This is not correct. A medical-benefits or "therapeutic" justification requires that:
jwhispers1 3 years ago
1. The overall the medical benefits should outweigh the risks and harms of the procedure required to obtain them.
2. That this procedure is the only reasonable way to obtain these benefits.
3. That these benefits are necessary to the well-being of the child.
None of these conditions is fulfilled for routine infant male circumcision."[1]
jwhispers1 3 years ago
I know this. You know this. It seems most other commenters know this. Why then do doctors accede to the parents when it is clearly not a therapeutic procedure. Most doctors contend that it was because "the parents wanted it". Yet, the AAP Committee on Bioethics report states, "Pediatric health care providers. . . have legal and ethical duties to their child patients to render competent medical care based on what the patient needs, not what someone else expresses. . . .
jwhispers1 3 years ago
The pediatrician's responsibilities to his or her patient exist independent of parental desires or proxy consent." (p. 315)[2]
So it is not medically theapeutic AND it is against their own code of ethics to accept proxy consent in such cases simply because the boy does not need a circumcision. So in effect most OBGYNs and Pediatricians are violating their own code of ethics by acceding to the wishes of the parents.
jwhispers1 3 years ago
Why does this state of affairs exist? Why are more doctors not openly against it simply from this easy ethical point of view? This is really a no brainer.
[1] Sommerville, Margaret Dr. The Ethical Canary: Science, Society and the Human Spirit: Penguin Group, 2000.
[2] American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Bioethics. "Informed Consent, Parental Permission, and Assent in Pediatric Practice." Pediatrics 95 (1995): 314
jwhispers1 3 years ago
healthykidtips If amputating a normal functioning part of an infant's anatomy isn't mutilation what do you suggest it is?
If doctors are so good and caring why do they approach new parents with the circumcision question? Why even bring it up? I had a doctor approach me with that question with my youngest and he even started retracting my baby's foreskin. That's wrong! He just wanted the money for the procedure. I know he isn't representative of all doctors but I'm sure he is of many of them.
2live42day 3 years ago 3
@healthykidtips The term Circumcision is euphemistic. If you find offense with the term Genital Mutilation then perhaps you can accept Genital Cutting. You can't argue with that. You are cutting and amputating healthy genital tissue from a baby boy.
Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. Well, many good, caring Mohels perform the procedure. Many good, caring Imams perform circumcision on girls. Obviously all of these people are ignorant and misguided and...
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips ...good and caring people though many may be, this practice is not a good and caring one. Custom will reconcile people to any atrocitiy, and fashion will drive them to aquire any custom. The time has come for Doctors to admit that they have made a very big mistake. But in our society it is considered a sign of weakness for professionals to admit error so they rarely apologise and take responsibility for their mistakes. This is poor character.
endofscene 1 year ago
@healthykidtips "Many good, caring doctors perform the procedure. I was required to do them as part of my residency but don't do them now."
You violated your Hippocratic oath with every unnecessary surgery you performed, whether the parents wanted it or not. You should be smart enough to know this. I pray one day that we have ethical oversight in our medicine so callous, thoughtless, unfeeling people like you aren't allowed to practice senseless violence in the name of medicine.
antimutilation 1 year ago
metalmouthmikey
I'd thought you'd enjoy reading an article about a man from your country, Austrailia. When the article was written he was 26 same age as you are now. Google "Shane's circumcision nightmare", read the article and let me know what you think.
2live42day 3 years ago
I am a circumcised male and proud of it. I'm glad I was circumcised when I was a baby - thanks mom and dad! I wish all men were circumcised. Reduced risk of urinary tract infection. Possible reduced risk of STDs. Better hygiene. Reduced risk of penile cancer. Circumcision is great!!!!!!
irvinetustin 3 years ago
Your wrong on every point. The STD info is false, and gets proven false everytime someone trys to claim it.
You're glad your parents had you cut up, mutilated, removed the best part of your penis, and you think they did it cause they love you? Ask them... you'll see... they did it cause daddy didn't want to feel bad about his penis, so he had you mutilated too.
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago
You mentioned UTI as a down side of not circumcising, except the study that was done (by Wiswell) was determined by the AAP (in 1989) to be "flawed and tainted by bias". This was because the statistics of intact babies were with mostly premies who generally had catheters which were more likely to be the cause of infection.
To read about this, Google for: "circumcision doesnt effectively prevent uti"
Thus I believe your UTI statement was inaccurate.
BryTee 3 years ago
i got circ'ed at 20 and i wish it would of been done at birth...
being uncut sucked!
stopgangbanging 3 years ago
"Williams & Kapila estimated the incidence of complications at 10%; In the survey by Kim & Pang, 48% reported decreased masturbatory pleasure, 63% reported increased masturbatory difficulty, and 20% reported a worsened sex life after circumcision."
Williams N, Kapila L. Complications of circumcision. Brit J Surg 1993;80:1231-6.
Kim D, Pang M. Effect of male circumcision on sexuality. BJU Int 2006 Published on line ahead of print. doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago 3
You forgot to mention many other possible side-effects of circumcison, including death in some cases.
mc4bbs 3 years ago 3
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago 3
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it is better to be circumcised. i was circumcised at 18 and ive never looked back. some people talk about 'choice' well, i had no choice but to go through 2 operations to be circumcised. go figure. im sick of hearing anti circ propaganda, its all just untrue.
metalmouthmikey 3 years ago
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yup the anti circers on here sure are fanatical..no doubt
tricomb222 3 years ago
80% of the world is anti-circumcision. Do you think they are all crazy?
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago 5
you are an exception.
The stats do say that 1% of males will need a medical reason to have it done. This is not a reason to do it to 99% of the others.
Simply: Do it when it's necessary.
Anti-circ views are not untrue, nor are they propaganda. If anything, the false studies being done by the pro-circ fanatics ARE propaganda, as time and time again their results are found to make misleading conclusions.
BryTee 3 years ago
"Anti-circ views are not untrue, nor are they propaganda."
The pro-circ'ers want everyone to think that anti-circ'ers are some odd bunch of crazy people. But what they forget is that 85% of the world is anti-circ! The pro-circ'ers only have a small 15% mark, and they are declining fast!
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago
metalmouthmonkey
What do you mean you had no choice? Of course you had a choice. You could either get circumcised or stay intact. You claim you chose to get circumcised. 2 operations? You must not have been happy with the results of the first one. Big deal you big crybaby! Thank your parents you had the choice. Babies who are mutilated at birth are the ones who have no choice. Men who were mutilated at birth are the ones who have no choice. All men should have the same choice you had.
2live42day 3 years ago
some adult circs need 2 operations for them to be just right. for every man who is 'unhappy' with being circumcised there are thousands who are just fine with it. i dont like seeing people unhappy but at the same time i hope anyone who is unhappy with their circ can move past it and spend their time enjoying their lives. i dont believe the anti circ movement wants this to happen because then there would be no one to carry on their nefarious emotional blackmail of everyone. FFS let it go.
metalmouthmikey 3 years ago
metalmouthmikey
What problem do you have with men being happy with their intact status? Telling them to amputate their foreskins. It's insane to even suggest this. What problem do you have with men having the choice? Cutting of a baby's foreskin is so wrong. It's 4ever. It takes the choice away from the man. I don't think there is one person who is against infant circumcision that cares what an adult does to his body. Nobody is mourning the loss of your foreskin. Nobody cares except maybe you.
2live42day 3 years ago
i have never said i have a problem with foreskins at all. i have a problem with some individuals who push an anti-circ agenda in a nasty and nefarious manner. circumcision is the oldest medical procedure on earth and thanks to rational parents, medical staff and recent studies it is here to stay no matter what you do.
i just dont think circumcision is as bad as you all make it out to be, its silly scaremongering and its not fair for you to make judgments of other peoples lives.
metalmouthmikey 3 years ago
izafhtthng6 If you think vicious threats will help bring an end to this form of sexual abuse of children you are sadly mistaken.
After hearing Dr. James Snyder's lecture and slides of many children severely damaged by circumcision I can understand the degree of anger held by some. Snyder said one young man who had suffered a complete loss of penis was beyond angry.
Bonobo3D 3 years ago 4
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get a life "izawhttng6" you mentally disturbed fanatic..maybe someone should track you down and put you out of your misery..
joikee 3 years ago
I forgot to mention hair growing on the shaft of your penis.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago
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its better to be circumcised no doubt!
grafixcam 4 years ago
ahhh the benefits,on with the circumcision!
stopgangbanging 4 years ago
It's funny how American doctors refer to the foreskin as a mere "piece of skin" covering the penis head. In fact the foreskin is highly specialised TISSUE. Particularly its tip is densely supplied with erogenous nerve endings. Doctors discussing circumcision really should be able to describe the foreskin's sexual function. How else can a parent make an informed decision?
psandbergnz 4 years ago 3
They talk about the foreskin as though it isn't part of the penis even BEFORE they cut it off.
Hugh7777 4 years ago 4
There is no benefit to circumcision. It was started as a means to desensitize the penis in hopes of preventing boys from masturbating. Many false benefits have been claimed in an attempt to keep the practice alive. Male Circumcision is now illegal in most European countries because it is sexual child abuse.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago
"There ia a decrease in masturbatory pleasure & sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, due to loss of nerve endings. There was no difference in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, or ejaculation latency time between circumcised & uncircumcised men."
DaiSik Kim, Myung-Geol Pang (2006) Effect of male circumcision on sexuality BJU International (OnlineEarly Articles). doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago
If you are circumcised, your nerves are pressure nerves, not touch nerves, so you are unable to ever feel true touch, only pressure. This is one of the reasons circumcised males tend to focus on getting to the orgasm instead of enjoying the sensation, and is also a reason so many circumcised males prefer anal sex (tighter = more pressure).
Interestingly European males tend to last longer and have less erectile issues than American males, and 95% of European males are NOT circumcised.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 2
Circumcised penises are dried out, turned grey (instead of the natural purple), have many layers of dead skin covering the head (glans), have hair growing on the shaft (due to loss of skin), are scared with a poop-brown ring, are bumpy (due to pulling the foreskin away from babys glans), etc.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 3
About 250 deaths occur each year due to male infant circumcision (most of which occur in the USA).
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 2
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 2
"A recent report found that the female partners of circumcised males experience higher rates of HIV infection."
International Herald Tribune, Tuesday, 6 March 2007.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 3
"Male circumcision removes nerves from the penis and causes significant loss of sexual sensitivity and function. For this reason, many circumcised men are reluctant to use condoms. A program of mass circumcision may reduce condom usage and have an adverse effect on the overall HIV infection incidence."
Taylor JR, Lockwood AP, Taylor AJ. Br J Urol 1996;77:291-5.
Kim D, Pang M. BJU Int 2006 doi: 10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 3
Infections you've heard about happen to infants when parents forcibly retract the foreskin (the foreskin is attached to the head like the nail is attached to the finger). This causes an open would that can lead to infection. Doctors haven't recommended forced retraction since the 1960's. It's well known that foreskin naturally separates from the head later in life. And because it's attached as an infant, it's impossible for anythng to get under & cause infection unless the parent tares it away.
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 3
Male Glans (head): 4,000 nerve endings
Female Clitoris: 8,000 nerve endings
Male Foreskin: 20,000 nerve endings
The Male Glans:
Contains about 4,000 nerve endings, but they are pressure/pain-sensitive, not touch sensitive. These pressure/pain-sensitive nerves are called "Pacinian Corpuscles" and "Free Nerves"
Male Foreskin:
Contains about 20,000 nerve endings which are extremely touch sensitive (like the female clitoris). These touch-sensitive nerves are called "Meissner's Corpuscles"
freedom0f5peech 4 years ago 4
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Thankfully, if the choice is made to circumcise, several excellent, safe alternatives are now
available to provide pain relief: EMLA cream is easy to use. When spread onto half
the length of the penis 60 to 90 minutes prior to the procedure, this topical anesthetic
provides moderate pain relief (New England Journal of Medicine, 1997; 336:1197-1201).
circol 4 years ago
Adequate pain control is very rare in routine circumcision. Even 20 minutes before the procedure the intact infant is probably sleeping soundly, unaware that anyone is planning perform unneccessary genital cosmetic surgery.
It would be more humane and less harmful to do piercings and install metal rings all up and down the shaft. But that wouldn't be allowed. Why?
TLCTugger 4 years ago 3
None of these procedures around the operation, nor painkillers afterward, deal with the sting of urine in the wound - and the agony of the severed nerve endings - for the next two weeks or so.
Hugh7777 4 years ago 5
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Dorsal penile nerve block (DNPB) involves two injections of lidocaine at the base of the penis. Despite the shots, this technique greatly reduces overall pain (Journal of Pediatrics, 1978; 92:998-1000). Bruising is the most common complication (Pediatrics,
1995; 95:705-708). Lasting problems almost never occur. The one truly unfortunate case
in the medical literature, in which the
circol 4 years ago
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Sugar water (or brandy) on a fingertip or pacifier may decrease crying. Acetaminophen may
blunt the pain (Pediatrics, 1994; 93:641-646); however, these and other "home remedies"
are insufficient for surgical pain, as anyone who has had an operation knows well.
circol 4 years ago
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Best is the subcutaneous ring block. Here, lidocaine is injected just under the skin in a ring around the shaft of the penis, about halfway back from the tip. Recent evidence
suggests that it is more consistently powerful in preventing pain through all phases of
the circumcision than either EMLA or DPNB (JAMA, 1997; 278:2157-2162). There are no reports in the medical literature of any complications.
circol 4 years ago
How does the block deal with the complication of loss of over 20,000 specialized pleasure receptive nerve endings?
How does it deal with the problem of an open wound healing in fouled diapers with the patient unable to communicate about specifically what doesn't feel just right?
TLCTugger 4 years ago 5
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Thankfully, if the choice is made to circumcise, several excellent, safe alternatives are now
available to provide pain relief: EMLA cream is easy to use. When spread onto half
the length of the penis 60 to 90 minutes prior to the procedure, this topical anesthetic
provides moderate pain relief (New England Journal of Medicine, 1997; 336:1197-1201).
circol 4 years ago
"Unnecessary infant discomfort" how about severe pain encoding the infant brain? Amputation of healthy erogenous tissue from someone who cannot consent is not medicine, it is a barbaric social custom. It is only with willful ignorance that this form of genital mutilation continues. Any so-called "doctor" who perpetuates this with lame references to "parents having to choose" need to examine their own shaky ethics.
intactivist1 4 years ago 7
I can't argue with this. Good points. I tried to keep this video neutral. Clearly there are strong opinions about this. I currently do not perform this procedure... although I was required to learn it during residency.
healthykidtips 4 years ago
How can one be neutral about surgery on an individual without consent? How can one be neutral about surgery which removes healthy, functioning, erogenous tissue? Would you be neutral about parents who for reasons of social custom wish to have genital reducing surgery on infant female children?
intactivist1 4 years ago 8
At least you are trying to be being neutral, as the AAP recommends, but why stop there? Why not take into account the right to bodily integrity? Girls in the US have complete legal protection from unnecessary genital cutting, and boys have virtually none. Parents can have their son's foreskin cut off for any reason at all or for no reason. There is NO protection in place to protect an infant boy's genitals from unnecessary cutting. A parent can just say they don't like the way a foreskin looks.
Fletch6 4 years ago 4
It does not seem very "neutral" to me. Especially as you provide circumcision after-care information, assuming that the parten(s) had it performed...
Wht, exactly, did you make this video?
mc4bbs 3 years ago 4
Circumcision is performed on millions of newborns each year. I don't do it... and personally, I don't think it is necessary. The purpose of the video was to describe a common procedure without forcing my personal beliefs.
healthykidtips 3 years ago
The idea of not "forcing my personal beliefs" is rather vapid perspective when were talking about something that causes such harm. Doctors take an oath to do no harm. Circumcision removes healthy developing erogenous tissue from an infant, without consent!
How do you feel about other forms of sexual oppression or racism, I guess you wouldn't want to force your beliefs about those things either.
Bonobo3D 3 years ago 4
Nature does not have "intentions". For me, it comes down to an issue of basic human rights. Unnecessary genital cutting on boys is as unethical as unnecessary cutting on girls. There are no benefits to infant circumcision that are shown to outweigh the risks.
Why does a circumcised penis allow for better hygiene? This isn't rocket science: Retract, rinse, replace. BTW, a "PERSONal" decision is made by the PERSON affected, not the parents!
Fletch6 4 years ago 7
A strong argument. Parents must make "personal" decisions for minors with the assumption that the decision is in the "best interest of the child."
healthykidtips 4 years ago
Indeed parents do have to make personal decisions for minors when there is a medical need. Infant circumcision has been consistently deemed "unnecessary" by all major medical associations. So how can any parent or doctor make a "personal" decision to perform unnecessary surgery, based on an "assumption"?
intactivist1 4 years ago 8
Parents need to weight the best available evidence and decide what interventions are worth doing. Vaccines are almost a no-brainer, while routine circumcision is not recommended by any national medical association on earth, not even Israel's.
TLCTugger 4 years ago 4
Parents are obligated to act as proxy for the boy who is unable to make competent medical decisions for himself. What is the problem with a healthy penis, where the parent is required to make a decision? Circumcision is a cure looking desperately for a cause. There is no major medical organization in the US which recommends routine infant circumcision. NONE. At best, the decision should be deferred until the boy is old enough to take part in the consent process. After all, it *IS* his penis.
Fletch6 4 years ago 3
And they never mention that cleaning under the foreskin is FUN! (Come to think of it, that would have been part of the reason routine circumcision was started.)
Hugh7777 4 years ago 3