funny that he starts off by claiming not to be a fake when he's only a bujinkan taijutsu instructor and not an authentic ninjitsu instructor, which is why the Koga and Iga don't recognize him or Masaaki Hatsumi. plus everything he teaches would get you hurt if you actually tried to use it in a street confrontation.
@mingofilaz: i've been training bjj/muay thai for the last 5 years. i did train ninjutsu many years ago. i think 90% is bullshit, but there are a few (just like in any art) that can handle themselves real well, so stop trying to flame, you fag
I love how many people call themselves martial artist's today. How easy it is for those so called artist's to talk about what is and what is not. Because of however many years they spent doing whatever it is they classify as training, under mr whoever, they have the devine right to say what is real and what is not.
I used to train with Greg Kowalski in CT about 12 years ago and he is one of the best. The best damn teacher I've ever had and for a lot less money too. THe man has character and siffs thru the B.S. you find online a lot. And also to note that when I trained with Greg Kowalski and his senior students (some Police, ex-Marines, Navy Seals all said..."This stuff is the best!" Think about that for a minute. Also when he brought his teacher Shihan Muramatsu in to train...the man was scary.
Kempobrad in answer to your question I'd have to say atleast in Kacem's case. He actually practiced and worked hard on what he was shown and did not rush out to become the celebrity teacher. Rich008 I think you need to recheck your facts about the length of time Kacem stayed in Japan. Or your definition of a very long time.
They all moved to Japan to live and study with Hatsumi and many of his master teachers. all three i mentioned lived in Japan for several years. In the case of Kacem, he lived there for a very long time. Kowalski and O'Brien lived in Japan for just a few years. As far as I know, Van Donk is pretty much self-taught in that he never had a true teacher besides Hatsumi. He travels to Japan a few times a year for a week or two at a time. that's just ot enough.
I'm sure you know that Bujinkan practitioners train in a universal method. That's why a basic tsuki share the same basic movements of a sword cut. According to Soke Hatsumi, if a person's taijutsu is truly good, then that person is able to use any weapon effectively.
Besides, if you already know how to put your hip into a strike and to follow through, then what more can you possibly learn?
@ShinobiMystic I agree all these MMA guys say its useless an ineffective whereas the reality is that most of the techniques are lethal and cant be used in sports
@ShinobiMystic They just want it to be a sport is all, they have a fundamental misunderstanding and potentially, an incompatibility with Bushido. Ignorance like blood, spills from their marrow, tainting all they conceive.
@ShinobiMystic "Rehearsed routines lack the ability to adapt" - Bruce Lee. An art i would agree, as a self defense, i do not. I say this about most japanese martial arts though.
And you're failing to realize the mergining of Soke at a given point in time. I highly doubt that you have substantial knowledge about Gyokko and Koto Ryu to tell me that they don't contain ninpo elements. Note that I have used the term "element", not to say that they are, only traces may be found. You're totally avoiding my main arguement, attempting to say that because there isn't a "ninpo" or "ninjutsu" name to it, wouldn't make in so.
who cares if Gyokko and Koto Ryu have ninpo elements? They have never been Ninja schools. There may be some overlapping, but I say again, the only techniques that have been taught from ninja lineage has been from Togakure Ryu, and even those found in that school are minimal and not practical for today's fighters. It's possible that Hatsumi was taught techniques from the other 2 ninja schools, but up to now, he's never shown techniques from those schools. He's more of a samurai than a ninja.
aikijujutsu and ninjutsu have overlapping techniques. it's difficult to debate when and where the origin of these techniques are. Chin-na for example has many joint locks similar to aikijujutsu.
Actually, the Gyokko and Koto ryu can be "debated" Clearly, striking methods in Gyokko and Koto are truly not meant against armored assailants. Also, the fact that supposedly Momochi Sandayu became the 16th generation Soke of Gyokko and Koto would imply that the two ryu-ha would obtain a ninpo component to them.
KiddReige, Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu ARE NOT NINUJTSU. They are unarmed techniques against an assailant. They are koshi-jutsu and koppo-justu respectively.
There is nothing in these ryu-ha that teaches stealth.
Yet the foundation of Togakure ryu taijutsu is Gyokko and Koto. In which case, I would say that there is a strong correlation between the schools of Gyokko and Koto as well as Ninpo Taijutsu. Look at the list of soke for Gyokko and Koto ryu. Saying there is no ninjutsu element to them, is like saying that Kukishin and Takagi Yoshin don't contain similarities, because their soke never met.
but even tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu has a ninjutsu element to it. i don't think ninjutsu was unique (necessarily) to ninja. to me they're all under the same umbrella, japanese martial arts.
RE: Slapupchrist & comment- Hatsumi, Van Donk, and Hayes Sensei are the best in the Ninjutsu world today. I find it humorous when someone takes issue with this. Sure, there may be some axillary "sideline" schools out there, but it is disappointing when someone shows such lack of character and attempts to criticize the Masters. Again, laughable.
Becuase for me it is Ninjutsu in applied action. Here I use the principles from the 6 main Bujinkan schools in combined unifed defensive actions.
We had to actually tone many of these techniques down becuase people started getting hurt while shooting this video.
NOTHING was pre-scripted nor rehearsed. This was over 10 years ago. I first did this filming to show students where the art could be taken too instead of old waza.
I will post a few more clips when i can get some free time.
@ninjutsucom I find it irresponsible to show any kind of "technique for someone to kill another person" in any video just to make money out of that knowledge. Martial arts are to be trained with a teacher/master/instructor/supervisor/whatever who can guide the person in his "martial journey", and be responsible enough to put the financial aspects aside, this is my humble perspective.
you can't refute my arguments, and you only disagree to save face, but i have caught you spouting the same things i have taught you... and agreeing with TSOAS2008's videos that ALL corroborate what i have said...
just because your only starting to learn about real ninjutsu doesnt mean you need to defend the old position you held and now know to be wrong...
scientists are wrong all the time, you just needed more evidence, dismiss your old positions.
@Arteanor rofl this just shows how much u know i can care less if i lose face.unlike you i have studied the history of d art and i can tell between facts and fiction.trust me u don't know anything about art all u know is d things u read about on the net which compare to anything is worthless.sorry this time ur ridiculous claims will go unanswered.like i always said stfu and gtfo of YouTube and stop leaving these idiotic posts.dont let me posts the so called vids ur bro uses as avidence..
i think you need to check out the historical facts of the shinobi.
may open your eyes a lot. certainly more than the logical fallacies layed on thick across every board i have seen...
i don't really have time for people who don't even bother to learn that the burden of proof is on the claimant, in this case, YOU, are claiming that hatsumi is a legitimate heir to a 900ish year old martial arts ryu.
there is no evidence for that claim. provide it, or stop stalling.
@ninjutsucom A Sensei can add Ninjutsu Tradition to there Ryu and not be associated with Bujinkan and this does not make them a bogus Sensei;however
i have the utmost respect for Master Robert Bussey taking Ninjutsu to a modern combat approach and much respect for:Dr.Hatsumi;although there are alot of arguments;there is no law against an individual adding Ninjutsu concepts to their own ryu lie;heiho from Sun tzu... I think you are doing a great job Mr.Donk!
@ninjutsucom Thanks, I didn't know you had posted clips. I'm learning from one of your awesome instructors down here in Florida. I look forward to learning from you and your system.
slapupchrist has a point. very little "ninjutsu" has actually been taught. Almost every unarmed technique in the bujinkan comes from either Takagi Yoshin Ryu, Kukishin Ryu and Shinden Fudo Ryu. all are samurai arts. very little Togakure techniques exist and as far as i know, Kumogakure Ryu and Gyokushin Ryu have never been taugh publicly. In other words, you're not teaching ninjutsu.
funny that he starts off by claiming not to be a fake when he's only a bujinkan taijutsu instructor and not an authentic ninjitsu instructor, which is why the Koga and Iga don't recognize him or Masaaki Hatsumi. plus everything he teaches would get you hurt if you actually tried to use it in a street confrontation.
Clinton51988 2 weeks ago
I WAS SO CLOSE TO BECOMING THE ULTIMATE NINJAAAA!!!!!!
MrBrunothedog 9 months ago
wow whole lot of fluff there ,did i just watch an info commercial
wizcoolc1 1 year ago
More people need to see this: Ninjutsu really doesn't get the respect it aught to in the martial arts community.
BlueSaryu 1 year ago
Ninjutsu is combat as it is. You just have to understand it,
Obiwan198 1 year ago
@mingofilaz Why is it that whenever someones being a dipshit asshole, they always seem to be a practitioner of MMA?
soldier3941 1 year ago
@mingofilaz: i've been training bjj/muay thai for the last 5 years. i did train ninjutsu many years ago. i think 90% is bullshit, but there are a few (just like in any art) that can handle themselves real well, so stop trying to flame, you fag
Rich0008 1 year ago
I love how many people call themselves martial artist's today. How easy it is for those so called artist's to talk about what is and what is not. Because of however many years they spent doing whatever it is they classify as training, under mr whoever, they have the devine right to say what is real and what is not.
AntiHero12109 1 year ago
I used to train with Greg Kowalski in CT about 12 years ago and he is one of the best. The best damn teacher I've ever had and for a lot less money too. THe man has character and siffs thru the B.S. you find online a lot. And also to note that when I trained with Greg Kowalski and his senior students (some Police, ex-Marines, Navy Seals all said..."This stuff is the best!" Think about that for a minute. Also when he brought his teacher Shihan Muramatsu in to train...the man was scary.
benharperfan2 1 year ago
Kempobrad in answer to your question I'd have to say atleast in Kacem's case. He actually practiced and worked hard on what he was shown and did not rush out to become the celebrity teacher. Rich008 I think you need to recheck your facts about the length of time Kacem stayed in Japan. Or your definition of a very long time.
ninpodude1 2 years ago
wtf why is there a conclusion that Ninjutsu is not for combat at all?
Obiwan198 2 years ago
shinken gata
omega2009ful 2 years ago
They all moved to Japan to live and study with Hatsumi and many of his master teachers. all three i mentioned lived in Japan for several years. In the case of Kacem, he lived there for a very long time. Kowalski and O'Brien lived in Japan for just a few years. As far as I know, Van Donk is pretty much self-taught in that he never had a true teacher besides Hatsumi. He travels to Japan a few times a year for a week or two at a time. that's just ot enough.
Rich0008 2 years ago
yeah,and you know this for a fact?
thefury84 2 years ago
I think Van Donk is better. He has never strayed from being loyal.
tkbomber 2 years ago 2
Van Donk is the best in the United States
weebles777 2 years ago
I'm sure you know that Bujinkan practitioners train in a universal method. That's why a basic tsuki share the same basic movements of a sword cut. According to Soke Hatsumi, if a person's taijutsu is truly good, then that person is able to use any weapon effectively.
Besides, if you already know how to put your hip into a strike and to follow through, then what more can you possibly learn?
How can you fill your cup if it is already full?
tkbomber 2 years ago
Ninjutsu is truly a combat art, for people to say that it is ineffective obviously don't know much about the art.
ShinobiMystic 3 years ago 9
in fact with the ninjutsu u can paralyse someone(if u know well the body) kill him with a punch..
Dallas77Green 3 years ago
you can do that with a lot of arts, you can do a lot more with ninjutsu.
maccatheguitarist 3 years ago
@ShinobiMystic I agree all these MMA guys say its useless an ineffective whereas the reality is that most of the techniques are lethal and cant be used in sports
ANZACJugger0 1 year ago
@ANZACJugger0
All martial arts have potentially deadly techniques.
A well placed punch can be deadly.
This is no excuse.
Takamatsu Sensei embraced martial competitions and challenges.
MMA fighters may be cocky but they walk their talk while modern ninjutsu masters hide behind ethics, philosophy, religion...
Sure, it's far safer and comfortable for them but in this way they're endangering their students by selling them untested knowledge.
Lillymill 6 months ago 2
@Lillymill
True!
chewbacca138 4 months ago
@ShinobiMystic They just want it to be a sport is all, they have a fundamental misunderstanding and potentially, an incompatibility with Bushido. Ignorance like blood, spills from their marrow, tainting all they conceive.
nazaxprime 1 year ago
@ShinobiMystic "Rehearsed routines lack the ability to adapt" - Bruce Lee. An art i would agree, as a self defense, i do not. I say this about most japanese martial arts though.
9sunskungfu 10 months ago
And what of the Iga and Koga schools? In my humble opinion, all martial arts are "linked" somehow. It is very difficult to find a "pure" art.
weebles777 3 years ago
Did I say that Hayes and Van Donk were superior to Manaka and Tanemura? I don't believe so.
I would've loved to have met Takamatsu Sensei. What I mean by 'Ninjutsu?' Damn sure wasn't talking about video-games. ;-)
weebles777 3 years ago
And you're failing to realize the mergining of Soke at a given point in time. I highly doubt that you have substantial knowledge about Gyokko and Koto Ryu to tell me that they don't contain ninpo elements. Note that I have used the term "element", not to say that they are, only traces may be found. You're totally avoiding my main arguement, attempting to say that because there isn't a "ninpo" or "ninjutsu" name to it, wouldn't make in so.
KiddReige 3 years ago
who cares if Gyokko and Koto Ryu have ninpo elements? They have never been Ninja schools. There may be some overlapping, but I say again, the only techniques that have been taught from ninja lineage has been from Togakure Ryu, and even those found in that school are minimal and not practical for today's fighters. It's possible that Hatsumi was taught techniques from the other 2 ninja schools, but up to now, he's never shown techniques from those schools. He's more of a samurai than a ninja.
Rich0008 3 years ago 2
aikijujutsu and ninjutsu have overlapping techniques. it's difficult to debate when and where the origin of these techniques are. Chin-na for example has many joint locks similar to aikijujutsu.
erthdirt1 3 years ago
As my sensei says, "there's only so many different ways that parts of the body can turn."
tkbomber 2 years ago
It seems you are one of the few who have understood this unversal truth about the martial arts and the only person to make it known in writing
owenspence 2 years ago
Incorrect.
Hatsumi is no Samurai, he is definitely a Ninja.
How do I know this? Simply because when fighting, he does not live with the attitude of Bushido; he lives with the attitude of Ninpo.
Anyone who lives with the attitude of Ninpo can be called a Ninja.
Shizukabushi 2 years ago
Actually, the Gyokko and Koto ryu can be "debated" Clearly, striking methods in Gyokko and Koto are truly not meant against armored assailants. Also, the fact that supposedly Momochi Sandayu became the 16th generation Soke of Gyokko and Koto would imply that the two ryu-ha would obtain a ninpo component to them.
KiddReige 3 years ago
KiddReige, Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu ARE NOT NINUJTSU. They are unarmed techniques against an assailant. They are koshi-jutsu and koppo-justu respectively.
There is nothing in these ryu-ha that teaches stealth.
slapupchrist 3 years ago
Yet the foundation of Togakure ryu taijutsu is Gyokko and Koto. In which case, I would say that there is a strong correlation between the schools of Gyokko and Koto as well as Ninpo Taijutsu. Look at the list of soke for Gyokko and Koto ryu. Saying there is no ninjutsu element to them, is like saying that Kukishin and Takagi Yoshin don't contain similarities, because their soke never met.
KiddReige 3 years ago
but even tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu has a ninjutsu element to it. i don't think ninjutsu was unique (necessarily) to ninja. to me they're all under the same umbrella, japanese martial arts.
kempobrad 2 years ago
Osu, I agree
brasshandmartialarts 2 years ago
RE: Slapupchrist & comment- Hatsumi, Van Donk, and Hayes Sensei are the best in the Ninjutsu world today. I find it humorous when someone takes issue with this. Sure, there may be some axillary "sideline" schools out there, but it is disappointing when someone shows such lack of character and attempts to criticize the Masters. Again, laughable.
weebles777 3 years ago
Becuase for me it is Ninjutsu in applied action. Here I use the principles from the 6 main Bujinkan schools in combined unifed defensive actions.
We had to actually tone many of these techniques down becuase people started getting hurt while shooting this video.
NOTHING was pre-scripted nor rehearsed. This was over 10 years ago. I first did this filming to show students where the art could be taken too instead of old waza.
I will post a few more clips when i can get some free time.
ninjutsucom 3 years ago
@ninjutsucom I find it irresponsible to show any kind of "technique for someone to kill another person" in any video just to make money out of that knowledge. Martial arts are to be trained with a teacher/master/instructor/supervisor/whatever who can guide the person in his "martial journey", and be responsible enough to put the financial aspects aside, this is my humble perspective.
herasmito 1 year ago
@ninjutsucom
now if there were only some ninjutsu in it...
have you read kacem's new book?
the one he promised to show all the densho that takamatsu said he didnt have in the 60's when interviewed for the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten?
surprise surprise, they arent there....
so do you have any evidence for your claims that ninjutsu is a martial art?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor oh god do u ever stop?
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
nope, not ever.
you can't refute my arguments, and you only disagree to save face, but i have caught you spouting the same things i have taught you... and agreeing with TSOAS2008's videos that ALL corroborate what i have said...
just because your only starting to learn about real ninjutsu doesnt mean you need to defend the old position you held and now know to be wrong...
scientists are wrong all the time, you just needed more evidence, dismiss your old positions.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor rofl this just shows how much u know i can care less if i lose face.unlike you i have studied the history of d art and i can tell between facts and fiction.trust me u don't know anything about art all u know is d things u read about on the net which compare to anything is worthless.sorry this time ur ridiculous claims will go unanswered.like i always said stfu and gtfo of YouTube and stop leaving these idiotic posts.dont let me posts the so called vids ur bro uses as avidence..
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@Arteanor
think you need to check out MartialTalk. com , and see what's being said about this whole thing. May open your eyes a bit. Cheers, bro.
BrokenTengu99 1 year ago
@BrokenTengu99
i think you need to check out the historical facts of the shinobi.
may open your eyes a lot. certainly more than the logical fallacies layed on thick across every board i have seen...
i don't really have time for people who don't even bother to learn that the burden of proof is on the claimant, in this case, YOU, are claiming that hatsumi is a legitimate heir to a 900ish year old martial arts ryu.
there is no evidence for that claim. provide it, or stop stalling.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
correction-
"900ish year old SHINOBI martial arts ryu."
Arteanor 1 year ago
@ninjutsucom A Sensei can add Ninjutsu Tradition to there Ryu and not be associated with Bujinkan and this does not make them a bogus Sensei;however
i have the utmost respect for Master Robert Bussey taking Ninjutsu to a modern combat approach and much respect for:Dr.Hatsumi;although there are alot of arguments;there is no law against an individual adding Ninjutsu concepts to their own ryu lie;heiho from Sun tzu... I think you are doing a great job Mr.Donk!
tjpaul72 1 year ago
@ninjutsucom Thanks, I didn't know you had posted clips. I'm learning from one of your awesome instructors down here in Florida. I look forward to learning from you and your system.
Angel3243 7 months ago
Wow, Richard! This really is putting it on the line! But, why do you call this stuff 'ninjutsu'???
slapupchrist 3 years ago
slapupchrist has a point. very little "ninjutsu" has actually been taught. Almost every unarmed technique in the bujinkan comes from either Takagi Yoshin Ryu, Kukishin Ryu and Shinden Fudo Ryu. all are samurai arts. very little Togakure techniques exist and as far as i know, Kumogakure Ryu and Gyokushin Ryu have never been taugh publicly. In other words, you're not teaching ninjutsu.
Rich0008 3 years ago