I used to read about Sifu Augustine Fong in Inside Kung Fu magazine. They did interviews with him about timing and reflexes in countering an opponent. This man's the real deal.
Respect, People, The one that is being referred too as the Old Man is Sifu Master Augustine Fong, Disciple of Sifu Master Ho Kam Ming, Disciple of Sifu Grand Master Yip Man, Himself. Leeloban is correct about positoning, posture and performance except people on his level of Martial Arts can do as they please. They are Masters. Perhaps there are better out there yet you can not take that away from him. Fong's Wing Chun Gung Fu Federation. "Sifu" not Old Man. Where is the respect anymore?
I learned Wing Chun through a traditional lineage (but not Ip Man's branch) not paid classes, so my master taught me a lot tricks that other masters wouldn't. One trick about "blocking" per se is to push+grab the opponent's front shoulder with one hand, the other hand can be either tan sao or anything else. You use that technique when the opponent is much stronger and faster than you. But you have the advantage because your arm is now close to his neck. Feel free to try it with your friends.
Nice video. I'm sure a majority of the movements are right- though for some reason I can see something dodgy about some moves as an exception. They also look a bit too static as well. When I studied martial arts and practiced a bit of Wing Chun I've actually moved around a bit and did some kicking as well as blocking kicks with the legs.
I have been practicing wing chun since I was 14 years old. I can tell you the old man is not doing it correctly. He had no idea what he was trying to do and his "bridges" are way too "hard" and his elbows are way up. I hope he is not an instructor. Both of you guys are thinking too much. You guys are like playing jenga with your arms. Don't think and be water my friend!
@leeloban I have been practicing and teaching TWC collectively for nearly 10 years now....this is NOT proper chi sao. Leeloban is correct in saying you're thinking too much, the whole concept of chi sao is to flow...i say like Air, as air moves water. Also, its pretty standard to concentrate on same arm blocking, so that you do not cross yourself...this is BAD technique. Fuk sao isn't mean to have a limp wrist flailing around....poor poor poor
@sifujosh There you go. People think when they chi sao because they don't truly understand the main ideas of Wing Chun: "來留去送，甩手直衝“ (stick when it comes, push when it goes; a straight punch when it's loose!). They will make their arms stiffer when they think more and more during chi sao. I also observed that they don't do tan sao (攤手) correctly. The fingers should always point to your opponent not the sky.
@leeloban i dont think they were practicing or sparing, i think they were just carefully exchanging counters in more depth like playing a thinking game. i do the same thing for the fun of it in the middle of sparring to get use to the counter, then i go back to sparing without thinking as much and let my intuition do the rest
@leeloban Thank about that way, there are not such things as right or wrong, when you are practicing under your master, you need to follow everything correctly, but after when you master all things correctly, you can apply it anyway. Cause sticky hand is more on feeling rather than only the exact move of wing chun. Don't think you have to do in certain way especially it is in martial art like wing chun.
@leeloban Please pay closer attention to the video before you comment, but first pay more attention to your practice. You say you have practiced wing chun since you were fourteen, but perhaps you have been practicing incorrectly yourself. Besides, wing chun was founded by a woman and is primarily purposed for a woman. The elbows are dropped to guard the breast. Any lower and the purpose is undone. You may just as well not protect yourself at all.
@leeloban Also, he is clearly an instructor hence the title "si-fu' as was said in this video. Your observations are obviously poor. That can't stack up to much, or so I'm not expecting.
@MarieF0ng Be careful with putting that much faith in a title. There are unfortunatly more "scam" si-fu's out there that i can count. Alot of good ones too, granted. But alot of poor people as well who still claim to be si-fu but then teach people shitty techniques and fighting skills. Skill and martial understanding is the greatest deciding factor of someone's "worth". Not a word or title slapped accross a piece of paper saying "Look, this says i am a teacher. I am now better then you." Peace.
@Annuisance I've seen arts that don't work at all. I've studied martial arts for about seven years myself. I'll show you one of the people that I used to fear as a young student under the hung-ga system. Now I have more reasoning and understanding of the principals that fall into practicing martial arts. What I know has nothing to do with faith.
There's always going to be HATER"S of every martial art. But it's hard to not see the practicality of this. I agree with K9. In the end it comes down the person not the style. Man the creating individual is more important than any style or system. Some famous asian guy said that.
and i'm not saying that whoever throws and lands the first punch would win or lose either... but in the case that the taller dude DID throw the first, and was in wing chun reach... the shorter guy has a better chance of being able to counter and in turn land the first blow. and in the case of both fighters being even in technique... that kinda puts him at the advantage.
There is no blocking in wingchun - also there is no superiority as well. Wingchun is about body-physique and (incorporated) comprehension of the principles. If two wingchun-guys with the same technical level would fight, the taller one (with longer reach) would be the victor! It is just that simple.
@hgamer Blocking is a tertiary strategy (almost the last resort) in wing chun. You don't want to do sticky hands and "blocking" with big guys. That's why Bruce Lee invented JKD for those reasons.
@11Kralle not really..shorter people have the advantage in some cases, because they like being in closer, and having a longer reach is a disadvantage in close. something my sensei uses a lot :P
Having disadvantages in close distances is a matter of lacking skills, not longer reach. Since you wrote about your sensei, I assume you practise something other than wingchun. If one has done his wing-chun-forms right and enjoys good wc-teaching as well, he can easily cope with close distances. I have very long arms - my sifu ask me often what kind of giraffe my father banged - and hence my elbowstrikes are very effective against any grabbling or tried leverages...
@11Kralle yeah I practice a type of karate, but we use something very similar to chi sao, called tae (meaning "in sync") in which we gain the contact and use it to feel and control our opponents movements. I have done some wing chun training as well to help with it, and consider myself to be fair at it :P but my weakness is in extremely close because I have long arms and my movement is restricted. Whereas my sensei is a short ass and likes being in very close..
I´ve heard about a karate-exercise called `kaki´ once, which is comparable to the taijiquan `tiushu´. Most contemporary wingchun-schools teach an active type of chi-sao, which isnt practical at all. They do chi-sao as a freefight or competitive act, but it isnt that easy! REAL chi-sao is about a complete-body-connection towards the earth so one can `feel´ incoming forces and change position. WingChun-training is very sophisticated and less understood - its no sportive act, though
...If you cant cope with your reach in the close, you should ask your sensei more (there must be katas with special movements)! At least I does not spare you to practise hard. In wingchun (i do the most hated WT, Kernspecht is my sifu) teaching is organized gradually, so I cant practise elbow-strikes before I learn the hand and forearm-techniques, which I learned after standing, stepping and changing. Unlike karate we do no falling-school, but anti-grounding-methods.
@11Kralle@11Kralle yeah we use it in a sparring type situation. We'll be sparring normally and suddenly our sensei will yell out "tae" and we have to close the distance, gain the contact and fight from there. We incorperate kicks and throws where we can. I've used it in 1 vs 2 sparring as well..works well when the other person doesn't know whats coming lol. And it not that I can't cope, I was just saying that sometimes its hard for a long armed person to be in that close lol
In sparring there will be always the problem of unwillingly (excuse my english) harming. Any wingchun-schools, who do sparring dont know what theyre doing. I practise for 12 years full-contact chi-sao in an accurately descibed order. Like: today, we do attacks on the upper left side and the dissolving of these. That may sound boring, but in a free sparring one would hit and injure his partner on the spot and the lesson would be over. That simple it is.
@11Kralle we do, 20% power full contact sparring. there is always the risk of someone getting hurt, but the benifits out weigh the risks in my view. It teaches you to be in full control of your movements, to get use to reacting to the unexpected, and to be used to having someone attacking you, trying to hit you. And to get used to taking a hit. so when you do get into a fight, you know how to move and react, whereas in schools that don't spar at all will most likely freeze when they get attacked
I knew about that. Nevertheless I dont want to get hit on the throat with 20% of my partners power - it would be still the end of that lesson and a start for a hospital vacation. In wingchun, the better/ higher graduate has to limit himself to controling techniques. Those soft-skills are part of the higher grades and consist in palm-deflections, contact-pushes or wedge-based positioning and stepping-out movements. These are the real wingchunskills beyond the chisao shown above...
@11Kralle lol we get told that if you get hit in the throat its 1) our fault for not blocking it and 2) the other guys fault for not having more control..but he still gets a pat on the back for landing the hit lol. but of course when we're sparring, we have to restrict some moves that are dangerous..but its up to us to do it...teaching us to control out body and aim our hits
If its working, just stick to it and dont go to the wingchun-guys. Most of them dont know what theyre doing and a good dentist isnot always nearby. I have seen so much crappish `masters´, that my original aversion against sportive martial arts has now turned against fake-wingchun. They use concepts like `tricks´ and `secrets´ - other concepts like `hard work´, `selfimproving´ and `diligence´ they dont know. BUT all of them know how to charge you much money.
@11Kralle yeah there are a lot of shitty karates out there too..pisses me off....but the style that I do is cheap and effective so I'm happy..and the wing chun that I've done was taught to me by my dad, who trained under grandmaster jim fung, the master who brought wing chun to australia..so it was free haha.
A long time ago - over 20 years before in startet WT - my father taught me how to do one straight punch to the chin, It ended all my real fights on the street (thanks to the long arm, i guess). I live in germany and most foreigners dont know, that until the early 1960s fistfights on the street and after the closinghour were much common. There were unwritten rules to settle these, but nowadays even schoolgirls pull a knive if your unlucky enough and try to stab.
That's the same with any martial art, though. Not everyone is an expert, and even if they are, they may be lousy teachers. Wing Chun suffers from this just like any other martial art. I'm proud to be studying under what is perhaps Canada's most skilled Wing Chun Grand Master, and the difference is night and day compared to a few teachers of other martial arts I've studied. It also doesn't help that many Sifus train under one specific style of WC. That's not a good idea.
Wrong. If it were that simple, then we wouldn't fare well against pro boxers. And trust me, we do. Get a pro boxer fighting a WC expert in the street and watch the fight end quickly. WC was designed so that smaller people can overcome much larger and heavier people. That's the entire basis of the martial art, in fact. Your comment states the exact opposite. I'm sorry, but if you don't know about the art, then please don't comment.
You forgot to await my answer, before you wronged it that harshly! May I answer back to that first comment or should I guess, what my wrong-comment contained and answer to that?
@11Kralle that isn't neccisarily true. the bigger person shouldn't move as quick as the smaller person, therefore the smaller person would have the better chance of breaking thru a guard... and be quicker on the block and counter. they'd be even more effective if they were in natural wing chun distance. the taller person has reach, but wing chun is a defensive style... the taller person would be the likely person to attack first - like you say because of his reach.. which puts him t disadvantage
@11Kralle i just feel like my beliefs should be defended, because you saying just because the one would be taller he'd win is irrelevent. your completely leaving out the principles of the practise your speaking of. and not taking into consideration that wing chun has many chains and counters. i doubt the smaller person in the case would be the first person to just run into the peak of the tallers reach, AND throw the first punch. that'd just be ignorance. =]
Are you talking to yourself? It is a little bit annoying being adressed like that - even If one would not be right - which you aint. Its kind of creepy, you know. You seem to talk to someone other, who has a different opinion - or you must be one of these mentally-handicapped guys? So, how long should I bear this or do you prefer being ignored by someone who actually loves wingtsun since years?
@11Kralle Haha. well, sir.. i was obviously fucking talking to you, hence i put @ and your name, and whoever else was interested enough to read it. if you disagree, then ignore it and not be some cock stroking fag about it.
Thats allright, but you should not write four messages - imitating some kind of self-discussion - without referring to whatsover. It damages your level of credibility somewhat. My first comment - which you were obviously referring to - was stated from a duel-like fighting situation of two guys, who would have accomplished only a knowledge of wingchun. You must not defend your believes - they´re yours. A real fight between two masters of selfdefense would never happen, if you ask me
All styles of fighting are different in their own way no one art is better than the other. You might prefer one to another but the fundamentals are the same, wing chun is a great art to learn. Those who think otherwise are fools.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting these clips, and don't mind the trolls. Remember that "when the man of inferior ability encounters the Tao, he laughs at it."
A lot of idiots here. Seriously. A real martial artist knows training is training. You train to learn. You practice to perfect. You spar to learn to execute. BJJ, Wing Chun, doesn't matter if you don't practice and spar. Many a BJJ guy with a big head has gotten hit with a big punch and put to sleep. Many a Western Boxer with a big head has been choked to sleep. And many WC Boxers doesn't know how to realistically apply their art. It's not the art, it's the practitioner and his understanding.
And that is why some WC guys have no idea what to do when they are faced with an opponent not starting from the chi sao position. I applaud those who do practice fighting none sticky hands style with their WC and to those who only do Chi Sao and call it sparring, you need to start re thinking how you train and if it fits all fighting situations. I still think WC is one of the best fighting styles, but all the practitioners who kid themselves getting really good at chi sao need to get a realityck
@newbielives its the best way to understand centerline and practice all the blocks at the same time. its not like a fight a wing chun guy will stand there waiting to chi sao the opponent, we practice real fighting. but this is great for getting your reflexes faster.
@AsG1989 Its just to common on youtube anyways to see that when a WC guy is faced with eg a boxer, he suddenly reverts to some WC Boxer style and usually gets beaten not knowing how to defend against punches that don't stick rendering his trapping skills useless. I'm not saying all WC guys but the ones who only focus on Chi Sao and call it sparring. These guys are the ones getting there asses handed to them by boxers/kick boxers.
you have no clue what wing Chun is so why bash it when you don't understand it's fundemantals? I know wing chun and I sparre with my roomy who knows Tai Kuan Do and i don't chi sao with him i fucking SPARR with him full contact and every thing. I will stand in stance and wait for him to move and then I trapp his movements and get him. Even from a distance. Watch the movie Ip Man then you will get it.
@newbielives why not when they used Real WC in the movie and when it is Based off a real man that is still liveing to this day at the ripe age of 85, Ip Man, and be sides you just implied that every WC practicioner dosen't know how to sparr in your last coment. and I am looking at it right now. Just wondering why you would think that. and you didn't even suggest you were even generalizing and in WC there is real applications we just don't Chi Sao, that would be pointless.
T.Y. @ michow.....no disrespect on my part I try to respect all styles & students. Anyone can hurt you, even a person with no training at all. I humbly think it's the person applying the techniques than the techniques itself. All techniques can work, obviously, that's why the certain styles put the technique in. It's how u use a gun that makes you effective not the gun itself! Anyways, respect all & enjoy your training ppul! Go WC................ thx Hgamer!
grnd fights, Ive seen a person get stomped out, why, police is going to come. I don't see ppul fighting for position control. grnd fights I like Filipino Martials Arts or Silat, catch wrestling will serve you justice too. Gracie stuff is cool tho, I'm not saying it ain't, place & time for everything friend @michow
lemme ask the bjj guy............in a street fight u think you safe on the grnd huh? weapons & friends can come when u on the ground, besides street has no rules, u can get your eye plucked, kicked in the balls, throat chopped, or even bitten! U can also get caught in a vicious ddt (jake the snake -wwf) via take down defense. Its the person not the style! Shoot for your take down & get your arm broke & face planted on concrete! best to stay on your toes in the street!
@little95 Use your brain, buddy. I mentioned multiple times that I've practiced a multitude of martial arts. However, most street fights end up on the ground. Once you are both on the ground, which martial art do you think will be most beneficial? BJJ. Thank you.
@michow87 why couldn't good ol' wrestling or sambo or judo or regular japanese jujutsu be "most" beneficial? Why does it have to be BJJ - which really comes from the newaza of Judo anyway? What if I just whip out a hidden blade and plunge that a dozen times into your femoral artery while you're trying to pull off some technique? How is it "most" beneficial? You never studied other things save for a few. This is just your opinion and not necessarily others. Who are you to say?
@michow87 The statistic that you keep bringing up and touting is just plain ol' trickery and marketing that's meant to make people believe BJJ is absolutely necessary once you hit the floor because once you end up there, you ain't ever getting back up! Utter BS. That's like me saying statistically fights always happen while two people are standing so take Muay Thai now because it's the most beneficial. The funny thing is I've never heard any martial arts school bring that "statistic" up.
@jamespohh Once you are on the floor, if you are a true BJJ practitioner (or Sambo, catch wrestling, etc) you would stay there because you would understand your advantageous position. Simple as that. Then again, to each his own
@michow87 Now you're talking...if you are TRUE BJJer or Samboist or Wrestler. In essence the statistic of fights on the ground holds the most importance for grapplers. They willingly accept that and even jump to the ground if need be, each and every time. Great statistics for people who are willing grapplers. For the rest it doesn't hold that much truth. And with that, that great statistic matters little because martial artists survive either way.
@michow87 Oh and let me know when you decide to get up close and personal and challenge yet another complete stranger to a "sparring" match just to drive your point in. That is what your type does right? Yea....REAAAAAAL intellectual. Lose the debate...get physical LOL.
@jamespohh Looks like you fail at reading, jamespohh. *shakes head with the greatest feeling of pity known to man*. There's nothing left for me to say to you since you can't seem to read anything beyond what you want to read, aka selective reading. So sad. That won't get you very far in life. Best of luck to you, regardless
@michow87 yea yea sorry I fail at reading the happy joy joy stuff in your tired ol' nonsense and really dug deep into the root of it all. I read between the lines as well. Sorry I made things less fun for you. You can't have all the fun you know.
@jamespohh LOL, you crack me up. This has been extremely entertaining, but this isn't going anywhere. Good luck to you in whatever the hell you decide to do with your life
@michow87 That's nice. I bet you're so cracked up you're beginning to look like the business-end of a plumber bent over a sink. I'm glad you found this entertaining. Go back to frying ants now.
@michow87 A teenager know-it-all? Hey wait a minute, that's exactly what you are. No, I'm not you sorry. Sorry I don't fit that type either. I will say however, if I truly was a young kid,. then you ought to be embarrassed that you let some kid scold you like this.
Oh and I'll try the slapping parents thing later tonight. It's gonna turn ugly and I hope I know what to do once I raise my hand and they go to the ground because statistically all fights end up on the ground.
Muay boran was created by the ancient thai miltary thought it be able to strike down even elephants though i havent been able to see that, i acknowledge mauy thai is powerful
IVE WORKED IN NYC CLUBS LIKE TUNNEL ,SPEED AND LIMELIGHT .MOSTLY ALL OF THE BOUNCERS TOUGHT OR NEW WING CHUN . IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE TECHNIQUE I BELIEVE BECAUSE I USED APPLICATION AND SAW OTHER BOUNCERS BIENG SURROUNDED AND WALK AWAY WITHOUT A SCRATCH .WING CHUN WORKS
For instance the angles which you improve and perfection through the forms are the difference from deflecting a punch or it landing right in your face. It takes training but you have to see it in person, videos do not show the art. Try it, go to a Wing Chun sifu and ask him to show you how he would manage a random situation. It is truly amazing to see the power WC can concentrate in a very small movement, and how a simple details makes the whole difference.
Nice video, I don't blame people who don't believe Wing Chun is superior, the theory makes perfect sense and one has to train to make it work of course. The top triangle they talk about act as a wedge, that while done in movement by chain-punching or advancing it is very hard to get around, just like a boat breaking through water. I dont find an obvious weakness in Wing Chun, if the stuff doesnt work it is always because the person did not apply it correctly.
@Spekzz88 wing chun is about common sense, people say they want that, but just look around at the world around us, and you can see, common sense is far from the norm, in fact its pretty rare. Wing Chun, or should i say good wing chun is unmatched... there's nothing that its missing and when it comes to kicking ass, its uncomparable
@hgamer I wouldn't go as far as to say Wing Chun is unmatched. I've been involved in Martial Arts for many years and have learned Shotokan Karate, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, and about 2 years of Wing Chun. One thing I can definitely attest to is that whenever we do open sparring with the older Wing Chun practitioners, wing chun becomes obsolete as soon as I put them on the ground and start utilizing BJJ technique.
@hgamer if wing chun is unmatched, why did Bruce Lee diverge away from Wing Chun? Because he found some impracticalities in Wing Chun and thus he created Jeet Kune Do. Also, do you understand the history of the Gracie Family and the Gracie Challenge? Sorry to say, but you understand so little outside of wing chun.
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@michow87 wow.. a 20 year old punk who was able to win everything because of wing chun, and he learned about 1 1/2 or at best 2 years of wing chun never knowing anything beyond the first form.... and then saying..hmmm, its not complete........ wow, do you really want to use bruce lee as your reference...... as for family history, yeah, i get it, guys rolling around, thanks
@hgamer LOL, ok, it's clear you're too stubborn to look beyond your own scope. I told you that I've done wing chun for 2 years along with other martial arts and my only comment was that Wing Chun is far from "unmatched". But you have your opinions and I have my own. If you ever get in a street fight and the fight goes to the ground (as almost every street fight does), I hope your wing chun will work when you are on your back :P
@hgamer quick question, but how come wing chun is never represented in MMA? perhaps because it is far from unmatched? Try to think outside the box for a change, you might actually evolve as a martial artist :D
@hgamer The difference is that I've practiced both, understand the weaknesses of both and understand through experience which is more effective. You have knowledge of wing chun, know nothing of BJJ, and through your ignorance claim wing chun to be "unmatched". Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
@michow87 wow both... i'm so impressed.. i've done more styles of martial arts then your sad ass can muster in one hand.......... so yes, ignorance is bliss
@hgamer This is clearly going nowhere. Instead of trying to understand the perspective of others, you automatically go on the defensive and start throwing around insults and a sarcastic tone. I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match, but we both know that it isn't practical and would never happen so you just keep practicing your Wing Chun and I'll keep doing what I do and let's leave it at that
@hgamer For someone that praises the "easily out matched" Wing Chun, you don't really understand their principles beyond the fighting, do you? *sigh* an embarrassment to your sensei.
@michow87 you studied WC? then you should know we call the instructor "sifu" not "sensei". It ain't Japanese. Attending a 1 day seminar does not constitute "practicing" Wing Chun. And you have the cajones to make a commentary about WC? LOL. You don't even know the difference between sifu and sensei. What were you doing in class? Sleeping?
@jamespohh I was fortunate enough to attend a school where Wing Chun was taught in a much more casual setting. I've been studying karate for the past 2 years so it was a simple mix-up of the title of Master. Stupid boy with stupid assumptions :P
@hgamer...pretty clever joke but based on what i see is that you seem immature, If i was in such great presence I would do whatever i can to impress but we are all different....don't think that i say you don't have skills you clearly do but understanding all the principles is a life's work
@michow87 i always like how people spend a little time doing something, and say the understand it..... one's learned preschool wing chun and they got it..... sure you do, just like everyone else....
@hgamer This went way out of control. I never meant any disrespect to Wing Chun. I am far from a master (and i noticed that you teach it so you are definitely much more skilled than I in this aspect), but I know signficantly more than someone who hasn't practiced Wing Chun before. I respect your opinion and your practice of Wing Chun. My opinion is simply that Wing Chun is NOT unmatched. You seem passionate about Wing Chun and I do respect that. best of luck to you
@hgamer -Great response!! So true! I love Wing Chun, I find that those I know who now exclusively train, instruct in Wing Chun have had vast experience in other martial art systems. I asked my Sifu why he stuck with Wing Chun- He said it's practical, economical, fast. I love the balance of soft and hard in WC-No muscle power required, had to leave my muscles at the gym. I found this video fun!
@michow87 What do you mean how come? Shawn Obasi is a Wing Chun guy in MMA...Aaron Baum is another champ with a Wing Chun background. How come you didn't know that?
I also study both WC and BJJ and understand the pros and cons of both. Your meaningless drivel about BJJ<<WC is pointless and inflammatory. Challenging other peers is also pointless. Put you to a real test, against real hardcore thugs out there and you will die. Don't kid urself.
@jamespohh You should read more of my replies before you start making stupid assumptions. What I was comparing was two styles against each other. I didn't challenge anyone since, like I said, it would be pointless and would never happen (learn to read). And in a real street fight, which normally goes to the ground, controlling your opponent is key. If you actually did BJJ beyond a white belt, you would better understand the level of control you would have over someone without BJJ experience.
"I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match"....who said that? Oh yea...you did. You never said it was pointless...you insinuated he would never step up to your challenge. Not the same thing. And I've been in street fights. The only time I went to the ground is when I was mobbed by 6 to 7 people and fell over. More often than not I remained standing. How come you fall to ground so easily? Because you WANT to go there. You like the filthy floor.
"I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match, but we both know that it isn't practical and would never happen so you just keep practicing your Wing Chun and I'll keep doing what I do and let's leave it at that"
Cute how you only used the part of my reply that would benefit your argument. How about we use the whole sentence, shall we? Oh, wtf? I said it would be impractical and would never happen so there was no point? Waaaaah?
@jamespohh And I like the floor? such a pathetic attempt at a well thought out response. I've been in street fights as well. I never mentioned anywhere that staying on your feet isn't the best option, but instead that most street fights end up on the floor. You should take a class on statistics, seems like you'd benefit a lot. You'd understand that just because YOU haven't ended up on the ground, doesn't mean that your experience applies to others. smh
@michow87 supposing they end up on the ground. Should they all be finished on the ground? If not, isn't it best to get off the ground? Or at least reverse to dominant position and get off the ground? With that in mind, how much BJJ do you think would come into play when that happens? The countless hours spent rolling with your opponent would be only a fraction of what really happens. That statistic comes with a footnote and that is it only applies if you often end up or choose to stay down
@jamespohh If you are on the ground in a dominant position, say full mount, over your opponent, would you really get up instead of maintaining full mount? Or if you had your opponents back on the ground, would you really get up? Or would you acknowledge your favorable position and finish the fight there. To each his own.
@michow87 chea....lol....if I was THAT LUCKY to gain a full mount, I'd just punch him and get up and get out. Only MMAers and BJJers stay there and revel in their technique and victory. IF I WAS THAT LUCKY. Most average folks are not that lucky. They may get knocked down and fall. Do you expect them to work from the guard, which is really a bad position to begin with? You don't think they'll get pummeled? Again this statistic is great fodder for those who are into GRAPPLING.
@michow87 why would I imitate a buffoon like you? LOL. I take it because it's my requirement, doesn't mean I have to turn into a statistic-spouting smug zealot for the style does it? LOL. Sorry if I'm not the cookie-cutter type. I have a brain, you have the floor.
@jamespohh Another well thought out response, jamespohh. As soon as someone starts responding with insults it's obvious that they have lost the debate and are truly lacking in intellectual prowess. Thanks :)
@michow87 Aahhh the ol' psychology bit. Didn't you know I was already insulting you from the very beginning? I just wanted to see how you'd respond first. Now that I realize you're just a nincompoop why should I be nice? Oh and I'm sure you're being extremely intellectual when you try to discredit someone's credentials solely because they don't "imitate" your cheesy type.
@jamespohh LOL, another well thought out response, jamespohh. I never once said that people who don't imitate my "type" are incompetent. such a poor, ignorant, little child *shakes head with the greatest feeling of pity known to man*
@michow87 well thought out? Actually this is stream of consciousness....off the cuff top of my head. I don't have to bury my head in my hands like you and wrack my brains. Oh well some people are just more spontaneous than others I suppose.
Really....that is what you insinuated right? Because I don't share your viewpoints? LOL. There are liberals and conservatives in society. Is anyone less human than the other because they have differing views? Because they don't fit a "type"? LOL
I used to read about Sifu Augustine Fong in Inside Kung Fu magazine. They did interviews with him about timing and reflexes in countering an opponent. This man's the real deal.
Diggy22 3 weeks ago
these guy is so stupid that you don't even have to know wing chun to block , what's wrong with him ?
internetmaster1 1 month ago
Good display
davidemt12ful 1 month ago
looks not superior......to me. .but I believe that they think that they are superior
seriousrampage 2 months ago
"How come I can't use your force?"
"Because I'm me."
Most. Epic. Answer. EVARRRRR.
fluxion187 2 months ago in playlist 15 Most KICK ASS Wing Chun Videos
Is that tony masingal in the background?
shadjazz 2 months ago
Thats Master Hong Right?? what a legend! how dare people disrespect his knowledge.
DMulah3 3 months ago
Respect, People, The one that is being referred too as the Old Man is Sifu Master Augustine Fong, Disciple of Sifu Master Ho Kam Ming, Disciple of Sifu Grand Master Yip Man, Himself. Leeloban is correct about positoning, posture and performance except people on his level of Martial Arts can do as they please. They are Masters. Perhaps there are better out there yet you can not take that away from him. Fong's Wing Chun Gung Fu Federation. "Sifu" not Old Man. Where is the respect anymore?
WorldMoney 4 months ago
DAMMM THE OLD MAN IS GOOD !!!
REDX50 4 months ago
I learned Wing Chun through a traditional lineage (but not Ip Man's branch) not paid classes, so my master taught me a lot tricks that other masters wouldn't. One trick about "blocking" per se is to push+grab the opponent's front shoulder with one hand, the other hand can be either tan sao or anything else. You use that technique when the opponent is much stronger and faster than you. But you have the advantage because your arm is now close to his neck. Feel free to try it with your friends.
leeloban 5 months ago
Hey dude kick his shins
tubesism 5 months ago
Nice video. I'm sure a majority of the movements are right- though for some reason I can see something dodgy about some moves as an exception. They also look a bit too static as well. When I studied martial arts and practiced a bit of Wing Chun I've actually moved around a bit and did some kicking as well as blocking kicks with the legs.
Aeshaankaocherroks 5 months ago
Is it possible to Wing Chun with your penis?
hamdgoldchain 5 months ago
I have been practicing wing chun since I was 14 years old. I can tell you the old man is not doing it correctly. He had no idea what he was trying to do and his "bridges" are way too "hard" and his elbows are way up. I hope he is not an instructor. Both of you guys are thinking too much. You guys are like playing jenga with your arms. Don't think and be water my friend!
leeloban 6 months ago
@leeloban sadly you have no idea how stupid you are....
hgamer 6 months ago 7
@hgamer sure whatever makes you happy...
leeloban 6 months ago
@leeloban sure thing noob....... what's tougher to swallow is how much time you wasted... ouch
hgamer 6 months ago 2
@hgamer Just curious - I don't know much about wing chun, but who is the guy you are sticky handing with? I assume he's a famous master right?
dknyc323 2 months ago
@dknyc323 yes, famous and the best
hgamer 2 months ago
@hgamer i've been learning wing chun when i was four and both of them are using the correct structure
cubicblake 2 months ago in playlist 15 Most KICK ASS Wing Chun Videos
@hgamer btw does he also teach aikido?
IssaTai 1 month ago
@IssaTai he does not
hgamer 1 month ago
@leeloban really?? i guess you don't know who that man is, should look it up and you'll be amazed how ridiculous your comment is
shohoku007 5 months ago
@leeloban I have been practicing and teaching TWC collectively for nearly 10 years now....this is NOT proper chi sao. Leeloban is correct in saying you're thinking too much, the whole concept of chi sao is to flow...i say like Air, as air moves water. Also, its pretty standard to concentrate on same arm blocking, so that you do not cross yourself...this is BAD technique. Fuk sao isn't mean to have a limp wrist flailing around....poor poor poor
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@sifujosh There you go. People think when they chi sao because they don't truly understand the main ideas of Wing Chun: "來留去送，甩手直衝“ (stick when it comes, push when it goes; a straight punch when it's loose!). They will make their arms stiffer when they think more and more during chi sao. I also observed that they don't do tan sao (攤手) correctly. The fingers should always point to your opponent not the sky.
leeloban 5 months ago
@leeloban i dont think they were practicing or sparing, i think they were just carefully exchanging counters in more depth like playing a thinking game. i do the same thing for the fun of it in the middle of sparring to get use to the counter, then i go back to sparing without thinking as much and let my intuition do the rest
lovelacebitch 4 months ago
@leeloban old man is augustine fong right
one of five private student of ip man
0311huy 4 months ago
@leeloban Thank about that way, there are not such things as right or wrong, when you are practicing under your master, you need to follow everything correctly, but after when you master all things correctly, you can apply it anyway. Cause sticky hand is more on feeling rather than only the exact move of wing chun. Don't think you have to do in certain way especially it is in martial art like wing chun.
yuenjm311 3 months ago
@leeloban Please pay closer attention to the video before you comment, but first pay more attention to your practice. You say you have practiced wing chun since you were fourteen, but perhaps you have been practicing incorrectly yourself. Besides, wing chun was founded by a woman and is primarily purposed for a woman. The elbows are dropped to guard the breast. Any lower and the purpose is undone. You may just as well not protect yourself at all.
MarieF0ng 3 months ago
@leeloban Also, he is clearly an instructor hence the title "si-fu' as was said in this video. Your observations are obviously poor. That can't stack up to much, or so I'm not expecting.
MarieF0ng 3 months ago
@MarieF0ng Be careful with putting that much faith in a title. There are unfortunatly more "scam" si-fu's out there that i can count. Alot of good ones too, granted. But alot of poor people as well who still claim to be si-fu but then teach people shitty techniques and fighting skills. Skill and martial understanding is the greatest deciding factor of someone's "worth". Not a word or title slapped accross a piece of paper saying "Look, this says i am a teacher. I am now better then you." Peace.
Annuisance 2 months ago
@Annuisance I've seen arts that don't work at all. I've studied martial arts for about seven years myself. I'll show you one of the people that I used to fear as a young student under the hung-ga system. Now I have more reasoning and understanding of the principals that fall into practicing martial arts. What I know has nothing to do with faith.
MarieF0ng 1 month ago
There's always going to be HATER"S of every martial art. But it's hard to not see the practicality of this. I agree with K9. In the end it comes down the person not the style. Man the creating individual is more important than any style or system. Some famous asian guy said that.
mikeisss79 6 months ago
Well this was fun to watch :)
8n9n01 6 months ago
I like this video..
CellaCella1 7 months ago
and i'm not saying that whoever throws and lands the first punch would win or lose either... but in the case that the taller dude DID throw the first, and was in wing chun reach... the shorter guy has a better chance of being able to counter and in turn land the first blow. and in the case of both fighters being even in technique... that kinda puts him at the advantage.
just wanted to clear that up lol
DeadFoxMS89 7 months ago
I saw a little blocking but more Re-directing strikes.
Jayli0 7 months ago
I love doing chi sao against people that are so much better than I, you learn so much..I envy you man
hatingtherich 7 months ago
why are people hating? this is a DRILL!!! SMH. Anyone in here hating can go eat shyt flavored ice cicles
chillbrotha01 8 months ago
@chillbrotha01
I prefer shit flavored ice cubes...
11Kralle 8 months ago
There is no blocking in wingchun - also there is no superiority as well. Wingchun is about body-physique and (incorporated) comprehension of the principles. If two wingchun-guys with the same technical level would fight, the taller one (with longer reach) would be the victor! It is just that simple.
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle SUPERIOR BLOCKING
hgamer 8 months ago 8
@hgamer
BLOPERIOR SOCKING?
11Kralle 8 months ago
@hgamer Blocking is a tertiary strategy (almost the last resort) in wing chun. You don't want to do sticky hands and "blocking" with big guys. That's why Bruce Lee invented JKD for those reasons.
leeloban 6 months ago
@11Kralle not really..shorter people have the advantage in some cases, because they like being in closer, and having a longer reach is a disadvantage in close. something my sensei uses a lot :P
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
Having disadvantages in close distances is a matter of lacking skills, not longer reach. Since you wrote about your sensei, I assume you practise something other than wingchun. If one has done his wing-chun-forms right and enjoys good wc-teaching as well, he can easily cope with close distances. I have very long arms - my sifu ask me often what kind of giraffe my father banged - and hence my elbowstrikes are very effective against any grabbling or tried leverages...
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle yeah I practice a type of karate, but we use something very similar to chi sao, called tae (meaning "in sync") in which we gain the contact and use it to feel and control our opponents movements. I have done some wing chun training as well to help with it, and consider myself to be fair at it :P but my weakness is in extremely close because I have long arms and my movement is restricted. Whereas my sensei is a short ass and likes being in very close..
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
I´ve heard about a karate-exercise called `kaki´ once, which is comparable to the taijiquan `tiushu´. Most contemporary wingchun-schools teach an active type of chi-sao, which isnt practical at all. They do chi-sao as a freefight or competitive act, but it isnt that easy! REAL chi-sao is about a complete-body-connection towards the earth so one can `feel´ incoming forces and change position. WingChun-training is very sophisticated and less understood - its no sportive act, though
11Kralle 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
...If you cant cope with your reach in the close, you should ask your sensei more (there must be katas with special movements)! At least I does not spare you to practise hard. In wingchun (i do the most hated WT, Kernspecht is my sifu) teaching is organized gradually, so I cant practise elbow-strikes before I learn the hand and forearm-techniques, which I learned after standing, stepping and changing. Unlike karate we do no falling-school, but anti-grounding-methods.
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle @11Kralle yeah we use it in a sparring type situation. We'll be sparring normally and suddenly our sensei will yell out "tae" and we have to close the distance, gain the contact and fight from there. We incorperate kicks and throws where we can. I've used it in 1 vs 2 sparring as well..works well when the other person doesn't know whats coming lol. And it not that I can't cope, I was just saying that sometimes its hard for a long armed person to be in that close lol
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
In sparring there will be always the problem of unwillingly (excuse my english) harming. Any wingchun-schools, who do sparring dont know what theyre doing. I practise for 12 years full-contact chi-sao in an accurately descibed order. Like: today, we do attacks on the upper left side and the dissolving of these. That may sound boring, but in a free sparring one would hit and injure his partner on the spot and the lesson would be over. That simple it is.
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle we do, 20% power full contact sparring. there is always the risk of someone getting hurt, but the benifits out weigh the risks in my view. It teaches you to be in full control of your movements, to get use to reacting to the unexpected, and to be used to having someone attacking you, trying to hit you. And to get used to taking a hit. so when you do get into a fight, you know how to move and react, whereas in schools that don't spar at all will most likely freeze when they get attacked
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
I knew about that. Nevertheless I dont want to get hit on the throat with 20% of my partners power - it would be still the end of that lesson and a start for a hospital vacation. In wingchun, the better/ higher graduate has to limit himself to controling techniques. Those soft-skills are part of the higher grades and consist in palm-deflections, contact-pushes or wedge-based positioning and stepping-out movements. These are the real wingchunskills beyond the chisao shown above...
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle lol we get told that if you get hit in the throat its 1) our fault for not blocking it and 2) the other guys fault for not having more control..but he still gets a pat on the back for landing the hit lol. but of course when we're sparring, we have to restrict some moves that are dangerous..but its up to us to do it...teaching us to control out body and aim our hits
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
If its working, just stick to it and dont go to the wingchun-guys. Most of them dont know what theyre doing and a good dentist isnot always nearby. I have seen so much crappish `masters´, that my original aversion against sportive martial arts has now turned against fake-wingchun. They use concepts like `tricks´ and `secrets´ - other concepts like `hard work´, `selfimproving´ and `diligence´ they dont know. BUT all of them know how to charge you much money.
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle yeah there are a lot of shitty karates out there too..pisses me off....but the style that I do is cheap and effective so I'm happy..and the wing chun that I've done was taught to me by my dad, who trained under grandmaster jim fung, the master who brought wing chun to australia..so it was free haha.
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@hatingtherich
A long time ago - over 20 years before in startet WT - my father taught me how to do one straight punch to the chin, It ended all my real fights on the street (thanks to the long arm, i guess). I live in germany and most foreigners dont know, that until the early 1960s fistfights on the street and after the closinghour were much common. There were unwritten rules to settle these, but nowadays even schoolgirls pull a knive if your unlucky enough and try to stab.
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle
That's the same with any martial art, though. Not everyone is an expert, and even if they are, they may be lousy teachers. Wing Chun suffers from this just like any other martial art. I'm proud to be studying under what is perhaps Canada's most skilled Wing Chun Grand Master, and the difference is night and day compared to a few teachers of other martial arts I've studied. It also doesn't help that many Sifus train under one specific style of WC. That's not a good idea.
MaestroDraven 7 months ago
@11Kralle
Wrong. If it were that simple, then we wouldn't fare well against pro boxers. And trust me, we do. Get a pro boxer fighting a WC expert in the street and watch the fight end quickly. WC was designed so that smaller people can overcome much larger and heavier people. That's the entire basis of the martial art, in fact. Your comment states the exact opposite. I'm sorry, but if you don't know about the art, then please don't comment.
MaestroDraven 7 months ago
@MaestroDraven
Dear, Sir!
You forgot to await my answer, before you wronged it that harshly! May I answer back to that first comment or should I guess, what my wrong-comment contained and answer to that?
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle that isn't neccisarily true. the bigger person shouldn't move as quick as the smaller person, therefore the smaller person would have the better chance of breaking thru a guard... and be quicker on the block and counter. they'd be even more effective if they were in natural wing chun distance. the taller person has reach, but wing chun is a defensive style... the taller person would be the likely person to attack first - like you say because of his reach.. which puts him t disadvantage
DeadFoxMS89 7 months ago
@11Kralle i just feel like my beliefs should be defended, because you saying just because the one would be taller he'd win is irrelevent. your completely leaving out the principles of the practise your speaking of. and not taking into consideration that wing chun has many chains and counters. i doubt the smaller person in the case would be the first person to just run into the peak of the tallers reach, AND throw the first punch. that'd just be ignorance. =]
DeadFoxMS89 7 months ago
@DeadFoxMS89
Sir!
Are you talking to yourself? It is a little bit annoying being adressed like that - even If one would not be right - which you aint. Its kind of creepy, you know. You seem to talk to someone other, who has a different opinion - or you must be one of these mentally-handicapped guys? So, how long should I bear this or do you prefer being ignored by someone who actually loves wingtsun since years?
11Kralle 7 months ago
@11Kralle Haha. well, sir.. i was obviously fucking talking to you, hence i put @ and your name, and whoever else was interested enough to read it. if you disagree, then ignore it and not be some cock stroking fag about it.
was that more simple for you to understand?
DeadFoxMS89 7 months ago
@DeadFoxMS89
Thats allright, but you should not write four messages - imitating some kind of self-discussion - without referring to whatsover. It damages your level of credibility somewhat. My first comment - which you were obviously referring to - was stated from a duel-like fighting situation of two guys, who would have accomplished only a knowledge of wingchun. You must not defend your believes - they´re yours. A real fight between two masters of selfdefense would never happen, if you ask me
11Kralle 7 months ago
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giuliocc 7 months ago
so that is you in the video, the guy on the right?!
MrLoveLounge 8 months ago
All styles of fighting are different in their own way no one art is better than the other. You might prefer one to another but the fundamentals are the same, wing chun is a great art to learn. Those who think otherwise are fools.
jnapoli07 8 months ago
This one cracks me up !
pauldomino 8 months ago
if the guy on the left didnt have 10 inch arms he might be actually good in a real fight
Ditrix 8 months ago
Very interesting. Thanks for posting these clips, and don't mind the trolls. Remember that "when the man of inferior ability encounters the Tao, he laughs at it."
bcnihao 9 months ago
A lot of idiots here. Seriously. A real martial artist knows training is training. You train to learn. You practice to perfect. You spar to learn to execute. BJJ, Wing Chun, doesn't matter if you don't practice and spar. Many a BJJ guy with a big head has gotten hit with a big punch and put to sleep. Many a Western Boxer with a big head has been choked to sleep. And many WC Boxers doesn't know how to realistically apply their art. It's not the art, it's the practitioner and his understanding.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 9 months ago 22
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom WHY IS THIS NOT THE TOP COMMENT
DRaelrich 8 months ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom
This should be the top comment! Well put my friend.
CLing5 8 months ago
well i just watched ip man 1 AND 2. I am now a master
moptop1316 2 months ago 2
And that is why some WC guys have no idea what to do when they are faced with an opponent not starting from the chi sao position. I applaud those who do practice fighting none sticky hands style with their WC and to those who only do Chi Sao and call it sparring, you need to start re thinking how you train and if it fits all fighting situations. I still think WC is one of the best fighting styles, but all the practitioners who kid themselves getting really good at chi sao need to get a realityck
newbielives 9 months ago
@newbielives its the best way to understand centerline and practice all the blocks at the same time. its not like a fight a wing chun guy will stand there waiting to chi sao the opponent, we practice real fighting. but this is great for getting your reflexes faster.
AsG1989 9 months ago
@AsG1989 Its just to common on youtube anyways to see that when a WC guy is faced with eg a boxer, he suddenly reverts to some WC Boxer style and usually gets beaten not knowing how to defend against punches that don't stick rendering his trapping skills useless. I'm not saying all WC guys but the ones who only focus on Chi Sao and call it sparring. These guys are the ones getting there asses handed to them by boxers/kick boxers.
newbielives 9 months ago
you have no clue what wing Chun is so why bash it when you don't understand it's fundemantals? I know wing chun and I sparre with my roomy who knows Tai Kuan Do and i don't chi sao with him i fucking SPARR with him full contact and every thing. I will stand in stance and wait for him to move and then I trapp his movements and get him. Even from a distance. Watch the movie Ip Man then you will get it.
TheA132435 8 months ago
@TheA132435 I said some not all and please don't reference a movie to show me how WC works
newbielives 8 months ago
@newbielives why not when they used Real WC in the movie and when it is Based off a real man that is still liveing to this day at the ripe age of 85, Ip Man, and be sides you just implied that every WC practicioner dosen't know how to sparr in your last coment. and I am looking at it right now. Just wondering why you would think that. and you didn't even suggest you were even generalizing and in WC there is real applications we just don't Chi Sao, that would be pointless.
TheA132435 8 months ago
@TheA132435 If your school doesn't just do chi sao then it sounds like you are in a good school, but that is not the case for all WC schools.
I also stand by that WC in a movie doesn't represent WC in real life and that's true for On Bak for Mui Thai etc
newbielives 8 months ago
@TheA132435 Ip (yip) Man is passed away, he died of cancer a while back. His son is now 85 however Ip Chun I believe is his name.
Xandralina69 8 months ago
@TheA132435 Ip Man died in '72 I think, of throat cancer..Its Ip Chun, his son who's alive..
hatingtherich 7 months ago
@TheA132435 also, it was modified WC in the movie..Donnie Yen hadn't done any wing chun before the movie..
hatingtherich 7 months ago
Is that chi sao?
Hiyashi95 9 months ago
How come i can't use your force? Because i'm me. Legendary.
kmp3000 9 months ago
T.Y. @ michow.....no disrespect on my part I try to respect all styles & students. Anyone can hurt you, even a person with no training at all. I humbly think it's the person applying the techniques than the techniques itself. All techniques can work, obviously, that's why the certain styles put the technique in. It's how u use a gun that makes you effective not the gun itself! Anyways, respect all & enjoy your training ppul! Go WC................ thx Hgamer!
little95 9 months ago
grnd fights, Ive seen a person get stomped out, why, police is going to come. I don't see ppul fighting for position control. grnd fights I like Filipino Martials Arts or Silat, catch wrestling will serve you justice too. Gracie stuff is cool tho, I'm not saying it ain't, place & time for everything friend @michow
little95 9 months ago
@little95 I agree with you 100%.
michow87 9 months ago
learn the difference between sport & Martial Arts!
little95 9 months ago
lemme ask the bjj guy............in a street fight u think you safe on the grnd huh? weapons & friends can come when u on the ground, besides street has no rules, u can get your eye plucked, kicked in the balls, throat chopped, or even bitten! U can also get caught in a vicious ddt (jake the snake -wwf) via take down defense. Its the person not the style! Shoot for your take down & get your arm broke & face planted on concrete! best to stay on your toes in the street!
little95 9 months ago
@little95 Use your brain, buddy. I mentioned multiple times that I've practiced a multitude of martial arts. However, most street fights end up on the ground. Once you are both on the ground, which martial art do you think will be most beneficial? BJJ. Thank you.
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 why couldn't good ol' wrestling or sambo or judo or regular japanese jujutsu be "most" beneficial? Why does it have to be BJJ - which really comes from the newaza of Judo anyway? What if I just whip out a hidden blade and plunge that a dozen times into your femoral artery while you're trying to pull off some technique? How is it "most" beneficial? You never studied other things save for a few. This is just your opinion and not necessarily others. Who are you to say?
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh Fair enough. You're right, there are other ground fighting techniques that are equally beneficial.
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 The statistic that you keep bringing up and touting is just plain ol' trickery and marketing that's meant to make people believe BJJ is absolutely necessary once you hit the floor because once you end up there, you ain't ever getting back up! Utter BS. That's like me saying statistically fights always happen while two people are standing so take Muay Thai now because it's the most beneficial. The funny thing is I've never heard any martial arts school bring that "statistic" up.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh Once you are on the floor, if you are a true BJJ practitioner (or Sambo, catch wrestling, etc) you would stay there because you would understand your advantageous position. Simple as that. Then again, to each his own
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 Now you're talking...if you are TRUE BJJer or Samboist or Wrestler. In essence the statistic of fights on the ground holds the most importance for grapplers. They willingly accept that and even jump to the ground if need be, each and every time. Great statistics for people who are willing grapplers. For the rest it doesn't hold that much truth. And with that, that great statistic matters little because martial artists survive either way.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@michow87 Oh and let me know when you decide to get up close and personal and challenge yet another complete stranger to a "sparring" match just to drive your point in. That is what your type does right? Yea....REAAAAAAL intellectual. Lose the debate...get physical LOL.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh Looks like you fail at reading, jamespohh. *shakes head with the greatest feeling of pity known to man*. There's nothing left for me to say to you since you can't seem to read anything beyond what you want to read, aka selective reading. So sad. That won't get you very far in life. Best of luck to you, regardless
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 yea yea sorry I fail at reading the happy joy joy stuff in your tired ol' nonsense and really dug deep into the root of it all. I read between the lines as well. Sorry I made things less fun for you. You can't have all the fun you know.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh LOL, you crack me up. This has been extremely entertaining, but this isn't going anywhere. Good luck to you in whatever the hell you decide to do with your life
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 That's nice. I bet you're so cracked up you're beginning to look like the business-end of a plumber bent over a sink. I'm glad you found this entertaining. Go back to frying ants now.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh LOL, how old are you? I'm assuming you're a teenager "know-it-all". Grow up and slap your parents for doing a poor job of raising you
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 A teenager know-it-all? Hey wait a minute, that's exactly what you are. No, I'm not you sorry. Sorry I don't fit that type either. I will say however, if I truly was a young kid,. then you ought to be embarrassed that you let some kid scold you like this.
Oh and I'll try the slapping parents thing later tonight. It's gonna turn ugly and I hope I know what to do once I raise my hand and they go to the ground because statistically all fights end up on the ground.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh There you go! Now you're learning! *pats on back* there's still hope for your stubborn self after all :) So Proud of You!
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 cool! Thanks. I've just successfully passed "Retarded Concepts in BJJ 101 with Michow87". Do I get your shiny red helmet as a prize now?
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh lol... the internet is just so entertaining.....
hgamer 9 months ago
@hgamer Hey every Laurel needs Hardy. Every Abbott needs his Costello. That's where Michow87 comes in. He.........................completes me.
jamespohh 9 months ago
I want to do this! Reminds me of chess.
1980shello 10 months ago
@1980shello you could say that
hgamer 10 months ago
Muay boran was created by the ancient thai miltary thought it be able to strike down even elephants though i havent been able to see that, i acknowledge mauy thai is powerful
SaRuXoNiGiRi 10 months ago
IVE WORKED IN NYC CLUBS LIKE TUNNEL ,SPEED AND LIMELIGHT .MOSTLY ALL OF THE BOUNCERS TOUGHT OR NEW WING CHUN . IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE TECHNIQUE I BELIEVE BECAUSE I USED APPLICATION AND SAW OTHER BOUNCERS BIENG SURROUNDED AND WALK AWAY WITHOUT A SCRATCH .WING CHUN WORKS
ghost27rsr 10 months ago
im new, but sifu shows patience. you block yourself because you attack. When attacking you are at dissadvantage, yes?
icecreamman4eva 11 months ago
For instance the angles which you improve and perfection through the forms are the difference from deflecting a punch or it landing right in your face. It takes training but you have to see it in person, videos do not show the art. Try it, go to a Wing Chun sifu and ask him to show you how he would manage a random situation. It is truly amazing to see the power WC can concentrate in a very small movement, and how a simple details makes the whole difference.
Spekzz88 11 months ago
Nice video, I don't blame people who don't believe Wing Chun is superior, the theory makes perfect sense and one has to train to make it work of course. The top triangle they talk about act as a wedge, that while done in movement by chain-punching or advancing it is very hard to get around, just like a boat breaking through water. I dont find an obvious weakness in Wing Chun, if the stuff doesnt work it is always because the person did not apply it correctly.
Spekzz88 11 months ago
@Spekzz88 wing chun is about common sense, people say they want that, but just look around at the world around us, and you can see, common sense is far from the norm, in fact its pretty rare. Wing Chun, or should i say good wing chun is unmatched... there's nothing that its missing and when it comes to kicking ass, its uncomparable
hgamer 11 months ago
@hgamer Muay Boran.
LightxKira5643 10 months ago
@hgamer We can agree that Muay Boran > Muay Thai though. Muay Thai is watered down Muay Boran.
LightxKira5643 10 months ago
@hgamer I wouldn't go as far as to say Wing Chun is unmatched. I've been involved in Martial Arts for many years and have learned Shotokan Karate, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, and about 2 years of Wing Chun. One thing I can definitely attest to is that whenever we do open sparring with the older Wing Chun practitioners, wing chun becomes obsolete as soon as I put them on the ground and start utilizing BJJ technique.
michow87 10 months ago 8
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@michow87 sorry to say, you understand so little in wing chun and what its capable of doing
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer if wing chun is unmatched, why did Bruce Lee diverge away from Wing Chun? Because he found some impracticalities in Wing Chun and thus he created Jeet Kune Do. Also, do you understand the history of the Gracie Family and the Gracie Challenge? Sorry to say, but you understand so little outside of wing chun.
michow87 10 months ago 8
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@michow87 wow.. a 20 year old punk who was able to win everything because of wing chun, and he learned about 1 1/2 or at best 2 years of wing chun never knowing anything beyond the first form.... and then saying..hmmm, its not complete........ wow, do you really want to use bruce lee as your reference...... as for family history, yeah, i get it, guys rolling around, thanks
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer LOL, ok, it's clear you're too stubborn to look beyond your own scope. I told you that I've done wing chun for 2 years along with other martial arts and my only comment was that Wing Chun is far from "unmatched". But you have your opinions and I have my own. If you ever get in a street fight and the fight goes to the ground (as almost every street fight does), I hope your wing chun will work when you are on your back :P
michow87 10 months ago 7
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@michow87 unmatched
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer quick question, but how come wing chun is never represented in MMA? perhaps because it is far from unmatched? Try to think outside the box for a change, you might actually evolve as a martial artist :D
BJJ>>>Wing Chun
michow87 10 months ago 8
@michow87 i love how people who say think out of the box, are the ones who are deeper in the box... so typical
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer bjj unmatched :)
michow87 10 months ago 6
@michow87 cool.. the difference is i don't care
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer The difference is that I've practiced both, understand the weaknesses of both and understand through experience which is more effective. You have knowledge of wing chun, know nothing of BJJ, and through your ignorance claim wing chun to be "unmatched". Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
michow87 10 months ago 10
@michow87 wow both... i'm so impressed.. i've done more styles of martial arts then your sad ass can muster in one hand.......... so yes, ignorance is bliss
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer This is clearly going nowhere. Instead of trying to understand the perspective of others, you automatically go on the defensive and start throwing around insults and a sarcastic tone. I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match, but we both know that it isn't practical and would never happen so you just keep practicing your Wing Chun and I'll keep doing what I do and let's leave it at that
michow87 10 months ago 7
@michow87 its going no where coz i don't give a rats ass.... that's why
hgamer 10 months ago
@hgamer For someone that praises the "easily out matched" Wing Chun, you don't really understand their principles beyond the fighting, do you? *sigh* an embarrassment to your sensei.
michow87 10 months ago 9
@michow87 you studied WC? then you should know we call the instructor "sifu" not "sensei". It ain't Japanese. Attending a 1 day seminar does not constitute "practicing" Wing Chun. And you have the cajones to make a commentary about WC? LOL. You don't even know the difference between sifu and sensei. What were you doing in class? Sleeping?
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh I was fortunate enough to attend a school where Wing Chun was taught in a much more casual setting. I've been studying karate for the past 2 years so it was a simple mix-up of the title of Master. Stupid boy with stupid assumptions :P
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87....i agree with you except about sensei it actually called sifu (master)
Trinibadman96 9 months ago
@Trinibadman96 cool.. your right about sifu, and our wrong about everything else.... see ying and yang
hgamer 9 months ago
@hgamer...pretty clever joke but based on what i see is that you seem immature, If i was in such great presence I would do whatever i can to impress but we are all different....don't think that i say you don't have skills you clearly do but understanding all the principles is a life's work
Trinibadman96 9 months ago
@Trinibadman96 dude, before you read me fortune cookie replies.... train more
hgamer 9 months ago
@Trinibadman96....dude your pretty ignorant...why are you posting youtube videos in the first place and obviously by this vid take your own advice
Trinibadman96 9 months ago
@michow87 i always like how people spend a little time doing something, and say the understand it..... one's learned preschool wing chun and they got it..... sure you do, just like everyone else....
hgamer 9 months ago
@hgamer This went way out of control. I never meant any disrespect to Wing Chun. I am far from a master (and i noticed that you teach it so you are definitely much more skilled than I in this aspect), but I know signficantly more than someone who hasn't practiced Wing Chun before. I respect your opinion and your practice of Wing Chun. My opinion is simply that Wing Chun is NOT unmatched. You seem passionate about Wing Chun and I do respect that. best of luck to you
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 why you even comparing the both BJJ and Wing Chun are fundementally different.
Lukeclout 8 months ago
@hgamer -Great response!! So true! I love Wing Chun, I find that those I know who now exclusively train, instruct in Wing Chun have had vast experience in other martial art systems. I asked my Sifu why he stuck with Wing Chun- He said it's practical, economical, fast. I love the balance of soft and hard in WC-No muscle power required, had to leave my muscles at the gym. I found this video fun!
dogooda12 9 months ago
@michow87 What do you mean how come? Shawn Obasi is a Wing Chun guy in MMA...Aaron Baum is another champ with a Wing Chun background. How come you didn't know that?
I also study both WC and BJJ and understand the pros and cons of both. Your meaningless drivel about BJJ<<WC is pointless and inflammatory. Challenging other peers is also pointless. Put you to a real test, against real hardcore thugs out there and you will die. Don't kid urself.
BJJ <<<<< a thug with a pocketknife
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh You should read more of my replies before you start making stupid assumptions. What I was comparing was two styles against each other. I didn't challenge anyone since, like I said, it would be pointless and would never happen (learn to read). And in a real street fight, which normally goes to the ground, controlling your opponent is key. If you actually did BJJ beyond a white belt, you would better understand the level of control you would have over someone without BJJ experience.
michow87 9 months ago 3
@michow87 Read your replies? Ok.
"I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match"....who said that? Oh yea...you did. You never said it was pointless...you insinuated he would never step up to your challenge. Not the same thing. And I've been in street fights. The only time I went to the ground is when I was mobbed by 6 to 7 people and fell over. More often than not I remained standing. How come you fall to ground so easily? Because you WANT to go there. You like the filthy floor.
jamespohh 9 months ago
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@jamespohh
"I would gladly challenge you to a sparring match, but we both know that it isn't practical and would never happen so you just keep practicing your Wing Chun and I'll keep doing what I do and let's leave it at that"
Cute how you only used the part of my reply that would benefit your argument. How about we use the whole sentence, shall we? Oh, wtf? I said it would be impractical and would never happen so there was no point? Waaaaah?
michow87 9 months ago
@jamespohh And I like the floor? such a pathetic attempt at a well thought out response. I've been in street fights as well. I never mentioned anywhere that staying on your feet isn't the best option, but instead that most street fights end up on the floor. You should take a class on statistics, seems like you'd benefit a lot. You'd understand that just because YOU haven't ended up on the ground, doesn't mean that your experience applies to others. smh
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 supposing they end up on the ground. Should they all be finished on the ground? If not, isn't it best to get off the ground? Or at least reverse to dominant position and get off the ground? With that in mind, how much BJJ do you think would come into play when that happens? The countless hours spent rolling with your opponent would be only a fraction of what really happens. That statistic comes with a footnote and that is it only applies if you often end up or choose to stay down
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh If you are on the ground in a dominant position, say full mount, over your opponent, would you really get up instead of maintaining full mount? Or if you had your opponents back on the ground, would you really get up? Or would you acknowledge your favorable position and finish the fight there. To each his own.
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 chea....lol....if I was THAT LUCKY to gain a full mount, I'd just punch him and get up and get out. Only MMAers and BJJers stay there and revel in their technique and victory. IF I WAS THAT LUCKY. Most average folks are not that lucky. They may get knocked down and fall. Do you expect them to work from the guard, which is really a bad position to begin with? You don't think they'll get pummeled? Again this statistic is great fodder for those who are into GRAPPLING.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh You definitely have no practiced BJJ. Ever heard of a sweep? Use your brain, it will take you far.
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 Oh I have and still practice it. Sweeping is what I do with a broom.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh lol, truly not someone who practices BJJ. Nice try at imitating someone that does though :P
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 why would I imitate a buffoon like you? LOL. I take it because it's my requirement, doesn't mean I have to turn into a statistic-spouting smug zealot for the style does it? LOL. Sorry if I'm not the cookie-cutter type. I have a brain, you have the floor.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh Another well thought out response, jamespohh. As soon as someone starts responding with insults it's obvious that they have lost the debate and are truly lacking in intellectual prowess. Thanks :)
michow87 9 months ago 2
@michow87 Aahhh the ol' psychology bit. Didn't you know I was already insulting you from the very beginning? I just wanted to see how you'd respond first. Now that I realize you're just a nincompoop why should I be nice? Oh and I'm sure you're being extremely intellectual when you try to discredit someone's credentials solely because they don't "imitate" your cheesy type.
jamespohh 9 months ago
@jamespohh LOL, another well thought out response, jamespohh. I never once said that people who don't imitate my "type" are incompetent. such a poor, ignorant, little child *shakes head with the greatest feeling of pity known to man*
michow87 9 months ago
@michow87 well thought out? Actually this is stream of consciousness....off the cuff top of my head. I don't have to bury my head in my hands like you and wrack my brains. Oh well some people are just more spontaneous than others I suppose.
Really....that is what you insinuated right? Because I don't share your viewpoints? LOL. There are liberals and conservatives in society. Is anyone less human than the other because they have differing views? Because they don't fit a "type"? LOL
jamespohh 9 months ago