You know what's funny ? If a presidential candidate was fully transparent and honest but said that he was a schizophrenic, he would be SOL in getting the presidency, But if that same candidate masked his/her schizophrenia in the guise of Christianity, that would be ok. :) For those of you who think I am off base here please look up schizophrenia in the DSM IV psych manual.
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the general principles of Christianity.
@sensibleadult WRONG! “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,”~ Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, US Consul) The treaty is cited as historical evidence in the modern day controversy over whether there was religious intent by the founders of the United States government.
@coyoteself You are taking this out of context. You are omitting a great part of the text. I've seen your kind attempt this repeatedly . It's comical.
Keep your religion in your churches and among your family. But keep it out of our public buildings, especially schools, and out of our politics! And QUIT trying to equate science with religion in a covert manner to impose your will on my kids. Not everyone has your same beliefs!
If on the other hand you see nothing wrong with religion in those places, then lets include ALL religions and belief system, including atheism and not merely Christianity. Otherwise, you're simply being a hypocrite
"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society".-- George Washington
@coyoteself Completely fabricated quote. If George Washington were here today, you would run him out of town as a right wing Bible thumper. You are ignorant. You are foolish. And you are clueless. The only thing the framers apparently never considered was that one day Americans would be so absolutely stupid as to believe in something besides Christianity.
@sensibleadult With your reply, I'm not certain if you're an idiot theist or an idiot atheist
Either way, before making a bigger fool of yourself, first I suggest that you re-read the quote CORRECTLY (It's NOT favoring Christianity) and then do a Google search to see that it's NOT fabricated and was from George Washington's, letter to the congregation of Touro Synagogue, Newport, Rhode Island, August, 1790.
IF you are a non-Christian, ya might want to do yourself a favor and delete your reply
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity.... "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." ~ The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, 1831
@sensibleadult Normally, since I'm not lying and the proof is all over the internet. I might normally say F*** you, but since I assume you're suffering from dementia, I'll be polite. Because if you did a simple search you would see that each of your comments make you like more of an idiot each time. ESPECIALLY if you're a non-Christian.
@coyoteself There is all kind of misinformation on the internet. What I'm interested in is ORIGINAL QUOTES. ORIGINAL QUOTES ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. Not what some liberal professor thinks. You have just disagreed with an ORIGINAL DIRECT QUOTE FROM PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS. I take his word over yours.
@sensibleadult If a quote is in more than a couple places on different sites, not merely liberal, it more than likely is a valid quote. AS for "You are omitting a great part of the text" in the Treaty of Tripoli. Well you're correct I only quoted Article 11 and if someone would like to read the Treaty in its entirety I encourage them to do so.
@sensibleadult At this point I can see that I'm either debating a confrontational troll, or a complete idiot who either doesn't know what he's talking about or is trying to manipulate the truth. And so I will no longer reply to the Non- sensibleadult
As for me being a liar, I STRONGLY encourage everyone to double check anything I've said and if you don't trust the internet. Use a library. You know, the place with all those things called...books
@coyoteself Dude, I have more quotes than you have time to read from original documents that can destroy your weak argument. You need to sue someone for educational malpractice. You are woefully misinformed.
I don't understand... Teachers and students are able to read the Bible and pray during school. At my high school there was a group prayer every morning outside and there is a bench that has the christian fish on it and it says, 'created equal.'
They are butthurt because a teacher cannot lead a class in prayer. Why do they need this? Why must they have 100% of control? Aren't they happy with 99%? A hindu priest attempted to pray in front of the US senate and people started yelling 'ABOMINATION!'
Fortunately there little risk of MB getting near the white house - at lease the one at 1600 Pennsilvaia Ave. She would however be welcomed a white house with gurneys and jackets that buckle-up in the back.
In brief, Michelle Bachman is an insane religious bigot. Nothing prevents religious groups from being formed by students in public schools, and nothing prevents a student from expressing their beliefs. The ONLY thing Constitutionally prevented is the imposition of a particular religion on students BY the government. Bachman, et al., wants the government to endorse and impose THEIR religious views on everyone.
I cant wait until the separation of church & state is finely repealed so that MY CHURCH THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE RELIGION, WILL FINELY BE THE ONLY CHURCH SANCTIONED BY GOD AND AMERICA TO BE REPRESENTED!!! AND WE CAN DO AWAY WITH ALL THE REST OF YOU FALSE RELIGIONS AND PROFITS!!!! ...... WITH WHAT EVER MEANS NECESSARY !!!
@jakebenjaminsk7ss I mean no disrespect and I could be wrong but I don't think the Constitution acknowledges christianity at all. The Declaration of Independence however, does refer to a "creator"...ONCE.
@dymchurch1 The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the general principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government.
@sensibleadult Stop drinking the David Barton Kool-Aid. The truth is much closer to the opposite of what you wrote. How anyone can think that the founding fathers got their ideas from the bible is beyond me. You my friend are believing lies, lies that you like the sound of and that is why you believe them. The bible advocates monarchy not a republic and it's as plain as the nose on your face.
There already is freedom of religious expression in public spaces, so her comments are irrelevant. Students can form religious clubs and pray among themselves on school grounds between classes or after hours. Anyone can witness on a streetcorner. The only thing that is prohibited is for an employee of the state to use public institutions for the purpose of prostelytizing.
I can never understand how republicans say that, " make no law respecting an institution of religion" means that we shouldn't have a state church. Am I the only one who's not getting it?
if only thomas jefferson were still alive today.. i'm sure he would be ashamed of the american people and the current republican candidates.. he was a firm believer of separation of church and state, and for a right wing republican to misuse his words... thats just horrible.
what im trying to understand is that you already have the ability to express your religion any way you want. your just not allowed to force anyone else to believe in it. so what the hell is she talking about. please someone explain it to me.
America amazes me. Every president seems to say God Bless America, but all are as corrupt as each other, but that is how they get on the right side of the Christian population which basically determines the government. So if you ever stand for president, don't forget to make out you love Jesus.
What is more alarming than the fact that Michelle believes her version of Christianity is the only right one? It is more alarming that she believes the second coming is near. And most alarming of all is that nutcases like this are elected to any public office higher than that of dog catcher.
Who said that conservatives, republicans & teabaggers don't have a sense of humor? I'm beside myself with laughter every single time Michele Bachmann, Marcus Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, George W Bush, Newt Gingrich, Dan Quayle, Rick Santorum, Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Jan Brewer, Carl Paladino, everyone on Fox News & everyone single conservative radio talk show hosts open their mouths. Especially funny when Bachmann, Palin, Perry, Bush & Cain speak
@hero4737 go ride a horse then & throw out your computer...because these things were not made by God,but by human science & technology.Because if Your god had wanted these things,he would have done them already.
I absolutely agree with her. Of course you should be able to express your beliefs. But you should absolutely NOT be able to force anyone else to express your beliefs, and that means that no laws should be made based on any religion.
Pray in school, put up Christmas decorations, preach on TV, do whatever you want with your own time and money. But don't teach my kid your creation story, and don't tell two adults they can't marry because your Bible says they are an abomination.
Also, nothing she said justified her argument that government and religion should go hand in hand. She made an argument for "freedom of religion" which is not facing any kind of objection.
Freedom of religion and separation of church and state are one in the same:
See, if religious theology becomes law it forces itself onto people of different faiths and beliefs, thus stripping them of their freedom to practice –or not practice- whatever it is they believe in.
Also, read some Thomas Paine. He was more of a founding father than John Quincy Adams.
I'm an agnostic so I believe I should mow my lawn naked because my god doesn't care what we do, that is my faith and thats the way I want to practice it
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
-- Thomas Jefferson
If by religion we are to understand sectarian dogmas, in which no two of them agree, then your exclamation on that hypothesis is just, "that this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it."
Sarah Palin follows Dominion ism, which is the overtaking the government with the rules and doctrines of the ONE SINGLE religion she advocates . . . making the United States a Theocracy, and by extension creating a state sanctioned religion . . . this is as radical the Muslims . . .
@TyZi187 Iran is our biggest threat and must be eliminated. She's a dumb less photogenic version of Sarah Palin. Everything she says is what her advisers told her to say. And the town she's from has an extremely high suicide rate among gays, especially in the schools, where she condemns homosexual activity.
Guess, what you can express your religious convictions in school. You can lay a God damn carpet on the floor and start praying to Mecca if you choose, it just can't be sanctioned or required by the government. This woman is clueless.
Seperation of church & state is an essential part of the US government. Anyone who believes that religion should have anything whatsoever to do with the fundamentals of government has no clue. The US is not a christian nation people.
Then again you just cite all muslim trespasses, which is ok to do, but if at the same time you deny all trespasses by other faiths or say they were trivial or justified. Then you rly have a serious moral issue. It is funny how neither of you 2 are willing to go into the point I made about bachman, yet on the other hand keep unwillingly supporting what i said about it with your own intolerance of other religions and ideas.
'with that nonsense out of the way' was directed at paola's self defence theory, which I find bs myself. In other words I said that any war on India would not be explicable by 'self defence'. I was just following paolas flawed reasoning for a sec. Now you see how stupid that theory is.
Apart from that all you guys are just in trying to sell the idea that ONLY the muslims have ever supressed other faiths. History itself proves you wrong over and over.
@capusvacans Why did you not send this crap to my inbox - it's directed at me, you dumb shitfuck. The best thing for you is to spend The Rest Of Your Sad Life writing brainless trash right here. A pig-ignorant troll with nothing to say, whining like a bitch for attention. My advise is to continue writing as much garbage that comes into your lonely brain cell 24/7 for as you can manage until you're dead - you NEED this more than Life itself. Just put it where it says "Respond to...".
The nuclear threat in that area I think is not that disimilar to the situation between the US and the USSR a few decades ago. Both have the means, the will, but aren't mad enough to destroy themselves. So I doubt any of them will launch at the other, unless of course religious fanaticism prevails. Which brings us back to the danger of religious or political fundamentalism, a threat in each ideology and religion. And I'd rather never have any kind fanatic with control over the nuke button.
About India and Pakistan, to use the crusade analogy of your friend paola, with which i completely disagree btw, India once was predominantely Muslim, so according to paola, reconquering India would be an act of self defence. With that nonsense out of the way, there is indeed a problem, mostly linked to the turbulent history of kashmir (of which i rly dono the details, so it's hard for me to into that in depth).
@capusvacans "India was once predominantly muslim". Yes, India was conquered by the Mohammedans whilst they were trying to conquer the entire world, shitting on the Hindus who already had their own long-held Spirituality. "With that nonsense out the way"....."i rly dono the details"...."it's hard for me to into that depth" - Yes, that's right. So why are you even writing anything about the subject?. It's time for you to go, as you Don't Know.
You see, at the beginning he mentioned only killed Mohammedans. When I referred to different time periods where Jews where assassinated by these murderous Islamic lunatics he changed tactics and said, that of course only Christians were capable to murder Jews (his Mohammedans bros, of course have always been angels).
Then he accused you to be a troll when he at the same time he is switching from topic to topic (nuclear threat by the Soviet Union etc.)
If he, as a troll, is changing the discussions points all the time, why doesn't he mention Bugs Bunny?
We: "Islam is a dangerous doctrine."
His answer to this: "Bugs Bunny is very funny."
Of course he also never answered to my statement that if all the religions are equal regardless of its texts than we should also further Nazism. He just mentioned shortly that Islam is a religion while Nazism is a political movement which is completely false.
Islam defines itself as a political movement, too, having the SHARIA LAW WHICH IS PART OF THE KORAN AND THE HADITH, THAT IS SHARIA IS A MANDATORY DOCTRINE IN ISLAM.
I noticed also a certain "coolness" each time I mentioned this. MAYBE HE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT NAZISM in his Belgian paradise with 10% Mohammedans. Who knows what else is going on in his drug-poisoned mind …
Maybe it's just "love" towards me because he calls me "Paola". I suggest him to go to Turkey to a hamam which is known even among the Turks as a place for gays!
I am not gonna post anything on this video anymore. I must say, I am gonna miss his hilarious statements.
I won't never forget his following manifesto:
"The Vatican conquered with its armies all of Europe and forced everybody to become Christian."
Dan Brown looks pale compared to this, doesn't he?
I am gonna miss this clown because he made me laugh a lot. But I am sure he will continue to troll on other vids. The good old "f-word" towards him is appropriate.
I am gonna continue to post on your channel. See you, dear Irish brother!
@paolocallidemocracy Yeah, people like that just get tedious and boring - it's an obsession with people who don't have a frame of reference or any life-experience relating to their meandering and disjointed verbal diarrhoea.
Hold the wall bulletins - a personal is better :)
In the end all I'm pointing out to is that EVERY religious grouping has it's dangers. Any religion can be used as a force of good and bad, and every religion has been used as such.
You cannot just deny the atrocities commited by your own group, and condemn those of others.
Or you condemn them all, or you condemn none.
Religion is dangerous, it can be used to put a target mark on yourself, or on everyone ouside your group. Christianity does not escape this simple reality.
What other acts of "christian self defense" as you call it are there, hmm, the potocari and sandici massacres?
About srebrenica, a serb commission in '95 admitted the pre planned mass murders.
Pre planned and self defence? I guess in your world you can pre plan your self defense.
You can keep naming atrocities commited by muslims, and you are right, they have commited them, but you cannot just say any act done by christians was a righteous act.
I accept that muslims have commited atrocities, you however don't accept that christians do the same, calling it defensive wars, so i suppose the Odessa, Warsaw, Kishinev, Kiev, Bialistok pogroms were also defensive acts?
'Bat Ayin', 'Kingdom of Israel Group' Just your friendly neighbourhood Jews?
And that 'The national liberation front of tripura', 'ku klux clan' , 'hutaree' aren't all some form of christians willing to kill for their God?
And yes i'll say hi to my muslim, catholic and evangelical friends.
We all get along just fine, as long as we don't discuss religion amongst eachother. Maybe you should make some friends of other faiths. You'll see that they are not much different from you. They just pray to another god or another version of the same god, depending on how you look at it.
You might learn to earn their respect and respect them in the end, but then again I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you don't want
A representative is not "the people". A representative REPRESENTS ALL of their constituents. Even those who don't believe or believe differently. Bachmann, and all those others on stage beside her nodding their empty heads in agreement, obviously doesn't understand what she is talking about.
"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV).
Now I'm no supporter of Bachmann and am myself an atheist, but she's actually absolutely right. She's referring to rampant political correctness that destroys our freedom of speech. If you want to publicly express your religion, you go right ahead.
Thomas Jefferson would have happily hanged Mrs. Bachmann. If only for saying his name while proselytizing her 'Christian' beliefs as the only way to live and/or govern. Sure, she can believe she's right...so did Hitler & Stalin. Draw your own conclusions from that.
Why does this videos have so many dislikes? She fundamentally said that she agrees that there should be seperation of church and state but that those that choose to express their religion on public property should be allowed to do so. I'm not religious but I think Bachmann has the right idea.
Someone please explain why you don't like this video. Does your dislike of this video imply that you think people should be prevented from praying in a public place? How's her view differ from Obama's?
@summercures2 I didn't dislike the video, but I dislike her stance because the fact is no one has ever been prevented from displaying their faith in public, but she and people like her use it continually as a rallying point for the fanatical right.
@summercures2 i didnt like the quote in the beginning about how she doesnt believe in separation of church in state, and then how she contradicted herself saying she does believe we should have it.
i also didnt like her quoting thomas jefferson, she's not worthy to quote thomas jefferson a person who said "christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man". the irony of her quoting him astounds me
......I'm SO glad she dropped out of the race. Because a logical rejoiner should have been "So, wouldn't allowing creationism in schools show that the state is being favorable to one religion over others? Would you support a bill that teaches the origin story as revealed by the great flying spaghetti monster into our schools?" I would LOVE to see her reaction to that one.
So she says that ALL ppl should have the freedom of expressing THEIR belief on public grounds. Would allow a woman in a burqa to go to congress? Or does this religious freedom only apply to christians?
"Would allow a woman in a burqa to go to congress?"
You are so right. We must absolutely tolerate everything! Chopping off hands in case of theft? It is immediately to be approved otherwise it's discrimination. Stoning adulterers? Why haven't we evil Westerners approved it!
Killing of Islamic apostates which even Yusuf al-Qaradawi said it is part of the Islamic doctrine?
Why haven't we racist Westerners integrated this wonderfiul Islamic law in our legislation ...
@paolocallidemocracy I was merely pointing out that with ALL ppl expressing their religion, she actualy meant: all Christians
And how you go from a burqa to sharia is beyond me. Wearing a burqa to me is a matter of personal choice (IF the women concerned make that choice themselves free of any pressure)
The sharia on the other hand is not free of pressure since it is the fundamentalist islam
law. And law is never free of pressure. No religion should EVER be state propagated
„I was merely pointing out that with ALL ppl expressing their religion, she actualy meant: all Christians”
Are you sure? She just stated that Christians should have the right to express their religion in the public square. Did she say in this clip that Buddhists or Jews are not allowed to practice their religion in the US? I don’t think so.
@paolocallidemocracy As if the Christians are a repressed group in America, in dire need of rescue. She is a Christian fundamentalist, choosing her words in moderation to veil her true intent.
“And how you go from a burqa to sharia is beyond me”
Well, you are partly correct about this because Islam, that is sharia which is enshrined in the Koran and the Hadith, does prescribe hijab whereas the burqa is not mandatory and gives to women, who wear it volunteraly, an Islamic "modesty touch".
The point is not if the burqa (or the hijab) should be allowed or not but THE SYMBOLISM IT IS REPRESENTING.
@paolocallidemocracy I have a copple of muslim friends and the last thing they'd want is the sharia to be implemented. They view it like most christians view the stories in the old testament where women should be stoned for adultry etc.
Considering the last acts of the inquisition took place in italy in the 1850's, christianity came a long way since then. So will Islam.
Every religion is a possible breeding ground for fundamentalism.
Compare it to the Swastika. We could also say here that everybody should be free to put the signs he wants to. But the Swastika after the Second World War is representing one of the worst regimes in human history which means that we have here a symbol filled with a huge pile of human bodies (Jews, European and Americans who fought against this ideology etc.)
@paolocallidemocracy Think about this comparison, and you'll see how flawed it is.
The hijab symbolises fundamentalism about as much as the cross symbolises the crusades.
Objectively there is no logic to that symbolism, but depending the tenacity of one own faith the affections towards the symbols of others take on another meaning.
About bad regimes, how do you look upon Christian spain after the reconquista, where they had inquisition for centuries? Good regime?
The hijab and burqa is working the same way. They are representing a jihadist religion responsible of most of the terrorist attacks in the last 20 years and a huge number of deads in Europe and India during the Islamization process (forcing people becoming Mohammedans) in the last centuries. Ask the Non-Mohammedans in the Balkans what happened to them while the Ottoam Turks where ruling over them ("butchering" is the better word than "ruling").
@paolocallidemocracy The hijab doesn't represent fundamentalism, it only does in the minds of fearfull ppl, or ppl that have sth to gain in diabolising the 'other'.
And to counter your Ottoman point (though valid), look at what the Orthodox Serbs did to the muslims in the balkan wars. Look up Srebrenica, to name but one site.
All faiths try to kill of the others. Muslims, christians, hindoes etc alike.
I don’t get you here. Don’t you think that in our law it should be written down that it is not allowed to murder people? That you mustn’t steal somebody else’s property? That you are not allowed to cheat somebody in a contract? Is this kind of pressure something negative for you?
I don’t get you here. Don’t you think that in our law it should be written down that it is not allowed to murder people? That you mustn’t steal somebody else’s property? That you are not allowed to cheat somebody in a contract? Is this kind of pressure something negative for you?
@paolocallidemocracy The peacefull msg of Jezus himself has been lost to christianity, right from the start. It has been a religion that has repressed, terrorised and exterminated large portions of early Europe into conversion.
Modern day christians rarely walk the path of Jezus, they walk the path of their church.
Also if christianity is so separate from government in the US, why all the religious questions in these debates.
@capusvacans furthermore, you could read Jezus' words also in this way: that the state should never meddle in religions matters. Which could put religion above the law.
There is only the law of the state, if one wants to follow religious laws on the side, that's ok, as long as the don't conflict with state law and if they don't strive to conform state law to their religious laws.
And that is the opposite of what separation of church and state tries to achieve.
"As if the Christians are a repressed group in America"
Did she state this anywhere in the clip?
"I have a copple of muslim friends and the last thing they'd want is the sharia to be implemented"
Did you read the quote by the ex-Mohammedan Ibn Warraq? There are moderate Mohammedans but ISLAM PER SE IS NOT MODERATE. Islam requires their adherents to implement the religion through warfare or, if this is not possible, through deception.
You say that your Mohammedan friends are peaceful and you deduce from this that all are like that? Then explain to me please why according to a poll from 2006 40% of British Mohammedans would like to introduce sharia there.
You surely have also a good explanation why according to a Pew-research 84 % (!) of the Mohammedans in Egypt favour the death penalty if someone leaves Islam.
I just don't believe the panic mongerers who try to make us believe 90% of Muslims are fundamentalists. If they rly were, we'd see terrorist attacks everywhere, all the time. Never seen one in Belgium during my whole life time, and well 10% of our population is Muslim.
Most of them respect our secular law, exept some nutbags in the 'ghettos' in the bigger cities.
@paolocallidemocracy And about polls, what poll, who took it, where did they take it? How many ppl answered it? Be very carefull with polls. Doing that poll on the footstep of a mosque or in the middle of a busy shopping street would surely hold very different results.
I don't tend to give polls much notice, unless I know the conditions under which they were taken.
"Considering the last acts of the inquisition took place in italy in the 1850's"
You are alluding here to the Italian Jewish boy Edgardo Mortara from the Papal State who was secretly baptiszd and then removed from his Jewish parents. This case indeed was outrageous and fuled alot of Italian nationalism among the Italian patriots who decided that there should not be a Papal state anymore of this size.
@paolocallidemocracy Nice an educated man. Anyway this just shows that christians didn't abandon their religous crimes very long ago. Some christians would even like to return to those ways, just look at all the newer christian cults in america.
@capusvacans In short, you say Islam is a destructive religion. But you make claims as: the crusades were a defensive, thus just war, that cleansing Spain of muslims was a good thing. And you say this with the aura of a 'good' christian.
You are nothing more then a hateful person, unable to see past his own pre conceived judgements. Jezus would be ashamed to call you a christian.
As long as you can justify murder for your own God as good, you wil never be a true christian.
“It is a bad system, although much better then all the predecessing systems”
I don’t get you here. Are you applauding that 70% of Mohammedans in Egypt voted for parties which favour the implantation of sharia law?
You even seem not worried too much how the Nazis came into power through the ballot box. Well, well, interesting what is coming out inside from you ...
“If one believes his own ideology is the one and only true one, and is given absolute power,...”
I disagree 100% with this! It’s not the people who think that their ideology is the only correct one and should be given absolute power, IT’S THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF WHICH COMMANDS THAT!
@paolocallidemocracy "I disagree 100% with this! It’s not the people who think that their ideology is the only correct one and should be given absolute power, IT’S THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF WHICH COMMANDS THAT!"
So wait, you are now saying that any ideology can make it's believer seek absolute dominion? You just agreed with me without wanting to.
“The old testament is full of passages where non believers are slain.”
Have you read what I have written? In the Old Testament the only prescriptive rules for the Christians are the 10 commandments, Jews have the 613 mitzwot.
Usually Christians focus on the New Testament.
All the other stories and rules in the Old Testament are DESCRIPTIVE which were valid only in the context of that time.
“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]”
“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah”
Koran 2:193
Now let’s see how Mohammed himself behaved according to the mandy Hadith:
“The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."
“Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah....”
Book 1, Volume 8, Number 387
Now Mohmamedans are obliged to follow everything Mohammed said and did during his lifetime. Now if a Mohammedan reads this, how is he gonna behave regarding religious freedom? I’ll leave the answer to you again.
@paolocallidemocracy Nope it was originaly intended by the Byzantin emperor as a way to secure the vestiges of his empire from the Turks. Urban II just abused the request for his own agenda.
I see you know nothing about history. Saladin first butchered most of the Crusaders in the battle of Hattin, then a couple of months later he attacked Jerusalem. Why don’t you mention that the people in Jerusalem had to pay ransom to be liberated and the rest was sold into slavery? That you call a noble person? I call Saladin a clever Mohammedan, nothing more.
“It weren't the vaticans armies, it were local king's armies”
The Christian armies conquered Europe and forced them to become Christian? You really don’t have a clue about Christianity and European history in general.
Europe was Christianized through a slow conversion process. As soon it reached the king usually all the subjects became Christian, too.
I can’t believe that you are discussing with such a low knowledge of religion and history!
@paolocallidemocracy Slow conversion you say, and yet you say, as soon as religion reached the king, the ppl converted too. Indeed, Christianity was rapidly imposed on most of the Kingdoms as state religion.
Not adhering to that religion would not always have had gruesome consequences at first, but it would have excluded you from any important position in society.
Another myth which you are mentioning here. Spain under Mohammedan rule was a brutal dictatorship where Christians and Jews where second-class-people who had to pay a special tax (jihzha).
Spain was conquered MILITARILLY by the Mohammedans from 710-716.
Lets' see what Maimonides, who was born and lived huge parts of his life in Spain, wrote about the, according to you, multicultural paradise:
"..the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us...Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they.."
How could the "racist" Maimonides wrote such hateful things about the Mohammedan angels?
In Granada in 1066 there was a pogrom (The Granada Massacre), initiated by the Mohammedans, in which 5'000 Jews were assassinated. So only because of "lousy" 5'000 murdered Jews Maimonides writes badly about al-Andalus …
Yes, and before I forget the Christian insurgents of Toledo between 811-819 were crucified.
Al-Andalus was far from being a multicultural paradise. It was a monolithic Islamic hellhole!
@paolocallidemocracy Lol, and christians didn' t do pogroms? Didn't they also force Jews to leave or convert during the spanish inquisition? Again both faiths have their problems.
"I just don't know why correctly answering a religious question has anything to do with presidential suitability."
It's you who didn't like the fact that Michele Bachmann declared herself a Christian despite the fact that the American constitution (including all the European constitutions) allows specifically religious freedom.
Thank you for telling us where your stand is in regard of personal freedoms!
"there would be only 1 church, but there are 100's. And they all say different things. It isn't very logical is it."
You have the right to be against religion which both the American and the European constitutions allow, too. A right by the way which you would like to be only one-sided having a huge problem if somebody follows the Christian religion.
Oddly enough you don't have a problem if somebody is a Mohammedan …
@paolocallidemocracy To summarise: I think that anyone who believes too deeply that his own religion/ideology (whichever it is) has the potential to be a dangerous person to any that doesn't hold the same faith. It has been proven all over during history. (crusades, al qaida, stalin, hitler...)
I don't defend Islam over Christianity, they are equals in wickedness. But you only bash Islam, I merely try to point out that your own faith holds the same amount of danger to others.
"If i rly were trolling you, believe me you wouldn't even have to doubt it."
You are right. Now I know for sure that you are nothing else than a troll!
Let's summarize:
I gave you the testimony of Maimonides who described the Arab rule in Spain as vicious. I mentioned at the same time the Massacre of Granada in 1066 where 5'000 Jews were brutally assassinated. I mentioned also how the revolts of the Christians were crushed after the invasion in 710.
@paolocallidemocracy You give the testimony of Maimonides, ok. I know who he was, but not what kind of person he was. There's a good chance that he was biased in his description.
Also crushing a revolt is another thing. It is ppl challenging the state, so logicaly the state will crush the revolt. That is not a normal reaction for any state. You might also want to check how many
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You know what's funny ? If a presidential candidate was fully transparent and honest but said that he was a schizophrenic, he would be SOL in getting the presidency, But if that same candidate masked his/her schizophrenia in the guise of Christianity, that would be ok. :) For those of you who think I am off base here please look up schizophrenia in the DSM IV psych manual.
revcletis 7 hours ago
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revcletis 7 hours ago
why do we elect such fools to represent us
BorgKing001 13 hours ago
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the general principles of Christianity.
sensibleadult 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult WRONG! “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,”~ Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, US Consul) The treaty is cited as historical evidence in the modern day controversy over whether there was religious intent by the founders of the United States government.
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@coyoteself You are taking this out of context. You are omitting a great part of the text. I've seen your kind attempt this repeatedly . It's comical.
sensibleadult 14 hours ago
Keep your religion in your churches and among your family. But keep it out of our public buildings, especially schools, and out of our politics! And QUIT trying to equate science with religion in a covert manner to impose your will on my kids. Not everyone has your same beliefs!
If on the other hand you see nothing wrong with religion in those places, then lets include ALL religions and belief system, including atheism and not merely Christianity. Otherwise, you're simply being a hypocrite
coyoteself 20 hours ago
"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society".-- George Washington
coyoteself 21 hours ago
@coyoteself Completely fabricated quote. If George Washington were here today, you would run him out of town as a right wing Bible thumper. You are ignorant. You are foolish. And you are clueless. The only thing the framers apparently never considered was that one day Americans would be so absolutely stupid as to believe in something besides Christianity.
sensibleadult 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult With your reply, I'm not certain if you're an idiot theist or an idiot atheist
Either way, before making a bigger fool of yourself, first I suggest that you re-read the quote CORRECTLY (It's NOT favoring Christianity) and then do a Google search to see that it's NOT fabricated and was from George Washington's, letter to the congregation of Touro Synagogue, Newport, Rhode Island, August, 1790.
IF you are a non-Christian, ya might want to do yourself a favor and delete your reply
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult one more quote for you;
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity.... "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." ~ The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, 1831
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@coyoteself Here's a quote from me: 'You are an unmitigated liar."
sensibleadult 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult Normally, since I'm not lying and the proof is all over the internet. I might normally say F*** you, but since I assume you're suffering from dementia, I'll be polite. Because if you did a simple search you would see that each of your comments make you like more of an idiot each time. ESPECIALLY if you're a non-Christian.
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@coyoteself There is all kind of misinformation on the internet. What I'm interested in is ORIGINAL QUOTES. ORIGINAL QUOTES ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. Not what some liberal professor thinks. You have just disagreed with an ORIGINAL DIRECT QUOTE FROM PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS. I take his word over yours.
sensibleadult 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult If a quote is in more than a couple places on different sites, not merely liberal, it more than likely is a valid quote. AS for "You are omitting a great part of the text" in the Treaty of Tripoli. Well you're correct I only quoted Article 11 and if someone would like to read the Treaty in its entirety I encourage them to do so.
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@sensibleadult At this point I can see that I'm either debating a confrontational troll, or a complete idiot who either doesn't know what he's talking about or is trying to manipulate the truth. And so I will no longer reply to the Non- sensibleadult
As for me being a liar, I STRONGLY encourage everyone to double check anything I've said and if you don't trust the internet. Use a library. You know, the place with all those things called...books
coyoteself 14 hours ago
@coyoteself Dude, I have more quotes than you have time to read from original documents that can destroy your weak argument. You need to sue someone for educational malpractice. You are woefully misinformed.
sensibleadult 13 hours ago
ron paul 2012
mrcookie484 1 day ago
I don't understand... Teachers and students are able to read the Bible and pray during school. At my high school there was a group prayer every morning outside and there is a bench that has the christian fish on it and it says, 'created equal.'
They are butthurt because a teacher cannot lead a class in prayer. Why do they need this? Why must they have 100% of control? Aren't they happy with 99%? A hindu priest attempted to pray in front of the US senate and people started yelling 'ABOMINATION!'
LukeShetler 1 day ago
From the description box :
The Republican candidates answered in the Fox News/Google Debate on September 22, 2012.
Strange how they can get video clips from a debate at a date that never happened.
Atharkas 4 days ago
Fortunately there little risk of MB getting near the white house - at lease the one at 1600 Pennsilvaia Ave. She would however be welcomed a white house with gurneys and jackets that buckle-up in the back.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 4 days ago
In brief, Michelle Bachman is an insane religious bigot. Nothing prevents religious groups from being formed by students in public schools, and nothing prevents a student from expressing their beliefs. The ONLY thing Constitutionally prevented is the imposition of a particular religion on students BY the government. Bachman, et al., wants the government to endorse and impose THEIR religious views on everyone.
WildwoodClaire1 4 days ago 4
@WildwoodClaire1 You don't get it! They want freedom of religion as long it's THERE religion ;-)
bigsbyfreak 4 days ago
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I cant wait until the separation of church & state is finely repealed so that MY CHURCH THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE RELIGION, WILL FINELY BE THE ONLY CHURCH SANCTIONED BY GOD AND AMERICA TO BE REPRESENTED!!! AND WE CAN DO AWAY WITH ALL THE REST OF YOU FALSE RELIGIONS AND PROFITS!!!! ...... WITH WHAT EVER MEANS NECESSARY !!!
phuqmerunnin 6 days ago
a scholar wrote a furious wordy letter to the founding fathers about how Christianity wasn't acknowledged enough in the constitution
Alexander Hamilton simply replied
"we forgot"
go fuck yourself bachman
jakebenjaminsk7ss 6 days ago
@jakebenjaminsk7ss I mean no disrespect and I could be wrong but I don't think the Constitution acknowledges christianity at all. The Declaration of Independence however, does refer to a "creator"...ONCE.
dymchurch1 3 days ago
@dymchurch1 The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the general principles of Christianity with the principles of civil government.
sensibleadult 2 days ago
@sensibleadult Stop drinking the David Barton Kool-Aid. The truth is much closer to the opposite of what you wrote. How anyone can think that the founding fathers got their ideas from the bible is beyond me. You my friend are believing lies, lies that you like the sound of and that is why you believe them. The bible advocates monarchy not a republic and it's as plain as the nose on your face.
dymchurch1 2 days ago
@sensibleadult You have just disagreed with a direct quote from President John Adams.
sensibleadult 2 days ago
she's just randomly connecting talking points what the fuck
this woman is insane
dominsu 1 week ago
There already is freedom of religious expression in public spaces, so her comments are irrelevant. Students can form religious clubs and pray among themselves on school grounds between classes or after hours. Anyone can witness on a streetcorner. The only thing that is prohibited is for an employee of the state to use public institutions for the purpose of prostelytizing.
prschuster 1 week ago
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GLITCHEDMATRIX 1 week ago
@GLITCHEDMATRIX TROLL
mythicalhell 4 days ago
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I can never understand how republicans say that, " make no law respecting an institution of religion" means that we shouldn't have a state church. Am I the only one who's not getting it?
AlexanderMccarthey87 1 week ago
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AlexanderMccarthey87 1 week ago
What if an Atheist group went around door to door with flyers promoting Atheism and saying 'join our group(s) today?"
davd1986 1 week ago
if only thomas jefferson were still alive today.. i'm sure he would be ashamed of the american people and the current republican candidates.. he was a firm believer of separation of church and state, and for a right wing republican to misuse his words... thats just horrible.
OriginalZero 1 week ago
what im trying to understand is that you already have the ability to express your religion any way you want. your just not allowed to force anyone else to believe in it. so what the hell is she talking about. please someone explain it to me.
ARTISTofPORTRAIT 1 week ago
She scares me so much at 0:25
rickysims212 1 week ago
America amazes me. Every president seems to say God Bless America, but all are as corrupt as each other, but that is how they get on the right side of the Christian population which basically determines the government. So if you ever stand for president, don't forget to make out you love Jesus.
TheMarathonomahos 1 week ago
your news is just terrible
spencerchef 1 week ago
Is she arguing that Christian prayers should still be mandatory in public schools?
38Gaucho 1 week ago
What is more alarming than the fact that Michelle believes her version of Christianity is the only right one? It is more alarming that she believes the second coming is near. And most alarming of all is that nutcases like this are elected to any public office higher than that of dog catcher.
Slik00Silk 2 weeks ago
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Who said that conservatives, republicans & teabaggers don't have a sense of humor? I'm beside myself with laughter every single time Michele Bachmann, Marcus Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, George W Bush, Newt Gingrich, Dan Quayle, Rick Santorum, Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Jan Brewer, Carl Paladino, everyone on Fox News & everyone single conservative radio talk show hosts open their mouths. Especially funny when Bachmann, Palin, Perry, Bush & Cain speak
MsLlcools 2 weeks ago
This is terrifying, Christianity a direct threat to the future of civilization.
PaulGilbertIsGod2 2 weeks ago 4
I hate these god loving stuck up bitches
jin37uk 2 weeks ago
if our for father wrote it it goes fags getting married is not what our for father wanted or it would have been done already
hero4737 3 weeks ago
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@hero4737 If god wanted you to be understood, he would have given you the ability to write a coherent sentence.
AstoriaRego 2 weeks ago
@hero4737 go ride a horse then & throw out your computer...because these things were not made by God,but by human science & technology.Because if Your god had wanted these things,he would have done them already.
tlaniganschmidt 1 week ago
I absolutely agree with her. Of course you should be able to express your beliefs. But you should absolutely NOT be able to force anyone else to express your beliefs, and that means that no laws should be made based on any religion.
Pray in school, put up Christmas decorations, preach on TV, do whatever you want with your own time and money. But don't teach my kid your creation story, and don't tell two adults they can't marry because your Bible says they are an abomination.
GuacamoleKun 3 weeks ago
Also, nothing she said justified her argument that government and religion should go hand in hand. She made an argument for "freedom of religion" which is not facing any kind of objection.
jh193187 3 weeks ago
Freedom of religion and separation of church and state are one in the same:
See, if religious theology becomes law it forces itself onto people of different faiths and beliefs, thus stripping them of their freedom to practice –or not practice- whatever it is they believe in.
Also, read some Thomas Paine. He was more of a founding father than John Quincy Adams.
jh193187 3 weeks ago 14
you can still pray in school you stupid bitch! its just not mandated!
hydra680 3 weeks ago
Wait a tick...wasn't Thomas Jefferson a deist and didn't give a shit one way or another.
MegaRammstein7 3 weeks ago
@MegaRammstein7 Yes and re wrote the bible with all prophizing and magic deeds taken away
Nickdiaublow 3 weeks ago
@Nickdiaublow ah "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." A classic :)
MegaRammstein7 3 weeks ago
what about mine
I'm an agnostic so I believe I should mow my lawn naked because my god doesn't care what we do, that is my faith and thats the way I want to practice it
ride my bike nude go to school nude
robin2967 3 weeks ago
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
-- Thomas Jefferson
If by religion we are to understand sectarian dogmas, in which no two of them agree, then your exclamation on that hypothesis is just, "that this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it."
-- Thomas Jefferson,
duffy84 3 weeks ago 32
What a bunch of stupid fucks.
Burkose 3 weeks ago 2
Faux news you are toxic, republican party you are toxic, christianity you are toxic.
SoCalAries 3 weeks ago
Sarah Palin follows Dominion ism, which is the overtaking the government with the rules and doctrines of the ONE SINGLE religion she advocates . . . making the United States a Theocracy, and by extension creating a state sanctioned religion . . . this is as radical the Muslims . . .
headchefed 3 weeks ago
She is completely right in everything she said. If someone can come up with something that was untrue then please message me back.
TyZi187 4 weeks ago
@TyZi187 Iran is our biggest threat and must be eliminated. She's a dumb less photogenic version of Sarah Palin. Everything she says is what her advisers told her to say. And the town she's from has an extremely high suicide rate among gays, especially in the schools, where she condemns homosexual activity.
madtownsk8r 4 weeks ago
@madtownsk8r Our biggest threat is ourselves.. So that's one. I can think of 20 off the top of my head but there ya go
madtownsk8r 4 weeks ago
creepy bitch
Zentz29 4 weeks ago
Guess, what you can express your religious convictions in school. You can lay a God damn carpet on the floor and start praying to Mecca if you choose, it just can't be sanctioned or required by the government. This woman is clueless.
mattattack007 1 month ago
Seperation of church & state is an essential part of the US government. Anyone who believes that religion should have anything whatsoever to do with the fundamentals of government has no clue. The US is not a christian nation people.
psychohorrorfan 1 month ago
My comment that the resident troll is obsessed with is at the bottom of the page - or on the next one.
gyrofoam1 1 month ago
Then again you just cite all muslim trespasses, which is ok to do, but if at the same time you deny all trespasses by other faiths or say they were trivial or justified. Then you rly have a serious moral issue. It is funny how neither of you 2 are willing to go into the point I made about bachman, yet on the other hand keep unwillingly supporting what i said about it with your own intolerance of other religions and ideas.
capusvacans 1 month ago
'with that nonsense out of the way' was directed at paola's self defence theory, which I find bs myself. In other words I said that any war on India would not be explicable by 'self defence'. I was just following paolas flawed reasoning for a sec. Now you see how stupid that theory is.
Apart from that all you guys are just in trying to sell the idea that ONLY the muslims have ever supressed other faiths. History itself proves you wrong over and over.
Jews, muslims, christians they all do/did it.
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans Why did you not send this crap to my inbox - it's directed at me, you dumb shitfuck. The best thing for you is to spend The Rest Of Your Sad Life writing brainless trash right here. A pig-ignorant troll with nothing to say, whining like a bitch for attention. My advise is to continue writing as much garbage that comes into your lonely brain cell 24/7 for as you can manage until you're dead - you NEED this more than Life itself. Just put it where it says "Respond to...".
gyrofoam1 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 Lol just spreading your kind nature and tolerance a bit more with insults?
If you want to be pm'd tnen pm the one you respond to, don't put your silly litany in public and then ask for a reply on that to be private.
Btw your insults only prove that you are the real troll here.
And since you find anything that isn't your own opinion garbage, it will be very hard not to write any more.
capusvacans 1 month ago
The nuclear threat in that area I think is not that disimilar to the situation between the US and the USSR a few decades ago. Both have the means, the will, but aren't mad enough to destroy themselves. So I doubt any of them will launch at the other, unless of course religious fanaticism prevails. Which brings us back to the danger of religious or political fundamentalism, a threat in each ideology and religion. And I'd rather never have any kind fanatic with control over the nuke button.
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans (edit in the first msg i said "not that prone" i meant "equaly prone"
capusvacans 1 month ago
About India and Pakistan, to use the crusade analogy of your friend paola, with which i completely disagree btw, India once was predominantely Muslim, so according to paola, reconquering India would be an act of self defence. With that nonsense out of the way, there is indeed a problem, mostly linked to the turbulent history of kashmir (of which i rly dono the details, so it's hard for me to into that in depth).
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans "India was once predominantly muslim". Yes, India was conquered by the Mohammedans whilst they were trying to conquer the entire world, shitting on the Hindus who already had their own long-held Spirituality. "With that nonsense out the way"....."i rly dono the details"...."it's hard for me to into that depth" - Yes, that's right. So why are you even writing anything about the subject?. It's time for you to go, as you Don't Know.
gyrofoam1 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 / 1
You see, at the beginning he mentioned only killed Mohammedans. When I referred to different time periods where Jews where assassinated by these murderous Islamic lunatics he changed tactics and said, that of course only Christians were capable to murder Jews (his Mohammedans bros, of course have always been angels).
Then he accused you to be a troll when he at the same time he is switching from topic to topic (nuclear threat by the Soviet Union etc.)
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 / 2
If he, as a troll, is changing the discussions points all the time, why doesn't he mention Bugs Bunny?
We: "Islam is a dangerous doctrine."
His answer to this: "Bugs Bunny is very funny."
Of course he also never answered to my statement that if all the religions are equal regardless of its texts than we should also further Nazism. He just mentioned shortly that Islam is a religion while Nazism is a political movement which is completely false.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 / 3
Islam defines itself as a political movement, too, having the SHARIA LAW WHICH IS PART OF THE KORAN AND THE HADITH, THAT IS SHARIA IS A MANDATORY DOCTRINE IN ISLAM.
I noticed also a certain "coolness" each time I mentioned this. MAYBE HE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT NAZISM in his Belgian paradise with 10% Mohammedans. Who knows what else is going on in his drug-poisoned mind …
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 / 4
Maybe it's just "love" towards me because he calls me "Paola". I suggest him to go to Turkey to a hamam which is known even among the Turks as a place for gays!
I am not gonna post anything on this video anymore. I must say, I am gonna miss his hilarious statements.
I won't never forget his following manifesto:
"The Vatican conquered with its armies all of Europe and forced everybody to become Christian."
Dan Brown looks pale compared to this, doesn't he?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@gyrofoam1 / 5
I am gonna miss this clown because he made me laugh a lot. But I am sure he will continue to troll on other vids. The good old "f-word" towards him is appropriate.
I am gonna continue to post on your channel. See you, dear Irish brother!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Yeah, people like that just get tedious and boring - it's an obsession with people who don't have a frame of reference or any life-experience relating to their meandering and disjointed verbal diarrhoea.
Hold the wall bulletins - a personal is better :)
gyrofoam1 1 month ago
In the end all I'm pointing out to is that EVERY religious grouping has it's dangers. Any religion can be used as a force of good and bad, and every religion has been used as such.
You cannot just deny the atrocities commited by your own group, and condemn those of others.
Or you condemn them all, or you condemn none.
Religion is dangerous, it can be used to put a target mark on yourself, or on everyone ouside your group. Christianity does not escape this simple reality.
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans You should write some more. You should write Lots more.
gyrofoam1 1 month ago
What other acts of "christian self defense" as you call it are there, hmm, the potocari and sandici massacres?
About srebrenica, a serb commission in '95 admitted the pre planned mass murders.
Pre planned and self defence? I guess in your world you can pre plan your self defense.
You can keep naming atrocities commited by muslims, and you are right, they have commited them, but you cannot just say any act done by christians was a righteous act.
Unless you are a very immoral person.
capusvacans 1 month ago
I accept that muslims have commited atrocities, you however don't accept that christians do the same, calling it defensive wars, so i suppose the Odessa, Warsaw, Kishinev, Kiev, Bialistok pogroms were also defensive acts?
'Bat Ayin', 'Kingdom of Israel Group' Just your friendly neighbourhood Jews?
And that 'The national liberation front of tripura', 'ku klux clan' , 'hutaree' aren't all some form of christians willing to kill for their God?
capusvacans 1 month ago
So then, according to her, satanists should be able to express themselves in public places and in public schools...seems fair.
stevinie7free 1 month ago 2
A truly intellectual woman. By her own standards, I mean.
Robolizardslayer 1 month ago
And yes i'll say hi to my muslim, catholic and evangelical friends.
We all get along just fine, as long as we don't discuss religion amongst eachother. Maybe you should make some friends of other faiths. You'll see that they are not much different from you. They just pray to another god or another version of the same god, depending on how you look at it.
You might learn to earn their respect and respect them in the end, but then again I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you don't want
capusvacans 1 month ago
As much as i dislike Bachmann. She actually didnt say anything wrong here
MrChelseaboy25 1 month ago
@MrChelseaboy25 No, she dodged the question........again.
RebelWrestler45 1 month ago
Lets put her and her fellow christians to test by putting up a Minaret on a public property and watch their reaction. That would be lovely :)
kleb100 1 month ago
Michelle Bachmann , USA first fascist president.
snsd1369 1 month ago
A representative is not "the people". A representative REPRESENTS ALL of their constituents. Even those who don't believe or believe differently. Bachmann, and all those others on stage beside her nodding their empty heads in agreement, obviously doesn't understand what she is talking about.
hardinmichael1981 1 month ago
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~ Thomas Jefferson in an 1814 letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper.
BryanSteinbock 1 month ago
But yet when somebody expresses their denial in existence of god they become an outcast (especially in the south). This woman can go fuck herself.
OptimalElement 1 month ago
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"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV).
STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS.
8Zeitgeist 1 month ago
I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42
The Christian "God" murders 24,634,205 people in the "Holy" Bible.
You fuckers feel good about worshiping that horrid monster?
I'm disgusted by your large cult on a daily basis.
Choose Atheism. Its the only real option.
civwarfan 1 month ago
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Please watch videos of Ron Paul if you haven't already and decide whether he deserves your vote or not. Just give it a shot.
blacktronic 1 month ago
Goddamn you, Bachmann!
weirdguy75 1 month ago
And, Michele, you have every right to celebrate your religion wherever you want, public or private.
However, the state cannot impose such beliefs on people, public or private.
pillowbugg 1 month ago 2
Now I'm no supporter of Bachmann and am myself an atheist, but she's actually absolutely right. She's referring to rampant political correctness that destroys our freedom of speech. If you want to publicly express your religion, you go right ahead.
sethisawesome 1 month ago
doesnt matter does it, what she is saying is unconstitutional, so who cares?
LondonIrishRover 1 month ago
Thomas Jefferson would have happily hanged Mrs. Bachmann. If only for saying his name while proselytizing her 'Christian' beliefs as the only way to live and/or govern. Sure, she can believe she's right...so did Hitler & Stalin. Draw your own conclusions from that.
TheSchmuckLook 1 month ago
You are able to express your belief in god at schools. Just not to a point where it violates someone else's rights.
vashlor 1 month ago
Why does this videos have so many dislikes? She fundamentally said that she agrees that there should be seperation of church and state but that those that choose to express their religion on public property should be allowed to do so. I'm not religious but I think Bachmann has the right idea.
Someone please explain why you don't like this video. Does your dislike of this video imply that you think people should be prevented from praying in a public place? How's her view differ from Obama's?
summercures2 1 month ago 5
@summercures2 its a dislike of fox news. well deserved.
Mrtamal01 1 month ago
@summercures2 I didn't dislike the video, but I dislike her stance because the fact is no one has ever been prevented from displaying their faith in public, but she and people like her use it continually as a rallying point for the fanatical right.
SpookyJohnathan 1 month ago
@summercures2 i didnt like the quote in the beginning about how she doesnt believe in separation of church in state, and then how she contradicted herself saying she does believe we should have it.
i also didnt like her quoting thomas jefferson, she's not worthy to quote thomas jefferson a person who said "christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man". the irony of her quoting him astounds me
gat0rgirl13 1 month ago
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......I'm SO glad she dropped out of the race. Because a logical rejoiner should have been "So, wouldn't allowing creationism in schools show that the state is being favorable to one religion over others? Would you support a bill that teaches the origin story as revealed by the great flying spaghetti monster into our schools?" I would LOVE to see her reaction to that one.
danschaoticmind 1 month ago
So she says that ALL ppl should have the freedom of expressing THEIR belief on public grounds. Would allow a woman in a burqa to go to congress? Or does this religious freedom only apply to christians?
What a hypociticaly btch
capusvacans 1 month ago 2
@capusvacans
"Would allow a woman in a burqa to go to congress?"
You are so right. We must absolutely tolerate everything! Chopping off hands in case of theft? It is immediately to be approved otherwise it's discrimination. Stoning adulterers? Why haven't we evil Westerners approved it!
Killing of Islamic apostates which even Yusuf al-Qaradawi said it is part of the Islamic doctrine?
Why haven't we racist Westerners integrated this wonderfiul Islamic law in our legislation ...
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy I was merely pointing out that with ALL ppl expressing their religion, she actualy meant: all Christians
And how you go from a burqa to sharia is beyond me. Wearing a burqa to me is a matter of personal choice (IF the women concerned make that choice themselves free of any pressure)
The sharia on the other hand is not free of pressure since it is the fundamentalist islam
law. And law is never free of pressure. No religion should EVER be state propagated
capusvacans 1 month ago
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„I was merely pointing out that with ALL ppl expressing their religion, she actualy meant: all Christians”
Are you sure? She just stated that Christians should have the right to express their religion in the public square. Did she say in this clip that Buddhists or Jews are not allowed to practice their religion in the US? I don’t think so.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy As if the Christians are a repressed group in America, in dire need of rescue. She is a Christian fundamentalist, choosing her words in moderation to veil her true intent.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“And how you go from a burqa to sharia is beyond me”
Well, you are partly correct about this because Islam, that is sharia which is enshrined in the Koran and the Hadith, does prescribe hijab whereas the burqa is not mandatory and gives to women, who wear it volunteraly, an Islamic "modesty touch".
The point is not if the burqa (or the hijab) should be allowed or not but THE SYMBOLISM IT IS REPRESENTING.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy I have a copple of muslim friends and the last thing they'd want is the sharia to be implemented. They view it like most christians view the stories in the old testament where women should be stoned for adultry etc.
Considering the last acts of the inquisition took place in italy in the 1850's, christianity came a long way since then. So will Islam.
Every religion is a possible breeding ground for fundamentalism.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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Compare it to the Swastika. We could also say here that everybody should be free to put the signs he wants to. But the Swastika after the Second World War is representing one of the worst regimes in human history which means that we have here a symbol filled with a huge pile of human bodies (Jews, European and Americans who fought against this ideology etc.)
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Think about this comparison, and you'll see how flawed it is.
The hijab symbolises fundamentalism about as much as the cross symbolises the crusades.
Objectively there is no logic to that symbolism, but depending the tenacity of one own faith the affections towards the symbols of others take on another meaning.
About bad regimes, how do you look upon Christian spain after the reconquista, where they had inquisition for centuries? Good regime?
capusvacans 1 month ago
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The hijab and burqa is working the same way. They are representing a jihadist religion responsible of most of the terrorist attacks in the last 20 years and a huge number of deads in Europe and India during the Islamization process (forcing people becoming Mohammedans) in the last centuries. Ask the Non-Mohammedans in the Balkans what happened to them while the Ottoam Turks where ruling over them ("butchering" is the better word than "ruling").
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy The hijab doesn't represent fundamentalism, it only does in the minds of fearfull ppl, or ppl that have sth to gain in diabolising the 'other'.
And to counter your Ottoman point (though valid), look at what the Orthodox Serbs did to the muslims in the balkan wars. Look up Srebrenica, to name but one site.
All faiths try to kill of the others. Muslims, christians, hindoes etc alike.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“The sharia on the other hand is not free of pressure since it is the fundamentalist islam”
Wrong. There is no such a difference between “normal” Islam and "fundamental" Islam or sharia.
Ibn Warraq, the Pakistani scholar on Islam, described it the following way:
There are moderate Muslims but Islam per se is not moderate. There is only ONE Islam: the one written down in the Koran and the Hadith.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Nor is christianity or judaism, if you read the old testament or the torah.
The morals of any individual wil dictate wether he takes these books literaly or not. None of the great religious books are books of peace.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“And law is never free of pressure”
I don’t get you here. Don’t you think that in our law it should be written down that it is not allowed to murder people? That you mustn’t steal somebody else’s property? That you are not allowed to cheat somebody in a contract? Is this kind of pressure something negative for you?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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@capusvacans / 6
“And law is never free of pressure”
I don’t get you here. Don’t you think that in our law it should be written down that it is not allowed to murder people? That you mustn’t steal somebody else’s property? That you are not allowed to cheat somebody in a contract? Is this kind of pressure something negative for you?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“No religion should EVER be state propagated”
On that I agree with you. You in America have the first Amendment which prohibits a state religion.
In Italy Catholicism was disestablished as a state religion in 1984.
By the way, the separation of church and state is also something taught by Jesus:
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
(Gospel of Matthew; Chapter 22, verse 21)
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“No religion should EVER be state propagated”
On that I agree with you. You in America have the first Amendment which prohibits a state religion.
In Italy Catholicism was disestablished as a state religion in 1984.
By the way, the separation of church and state is also something taught by Jesus:
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
(Gospel of Matthew; Chapter 22, verse 21)
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy The peacefull msg of Jezus himself has been lost to christianity, right from the start. It has been a religion that has repressed, terrorised and exterminated large portions of early Europe into conversion.
Modern day christians rarely walk the path of Jezus, they walk the path of their church.
Also if christianity is so separate from government in the US, why all the religious questions in these debates.
PS I'm Belgian
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans furthermore, you could read Jezus' words also in this way: that the state should never meddle in religions matters. Which could put religion above the law.
There is only the law of the state, if one wants to follow religious laws on the side, that's ok, as long as the don't conflict with state law and if they don't strive to conform state law to their religious laws.
And that is the opposite of what separation of church and state tries to achieve.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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"As if the Christians are a repressed group in America"
Did she state this anywhere in the clip?
"I have a copple of muslim friends and the last thing they'd want is the sharia to be implemented"
Did you read the quote by the ex-Mohammedan Ibn Warraq? There are moderate Mohammedans but ISLAM PER SE IS NOT MODERATE. Islam requires their adherents to implement the religion through warfare or, if this is not possible, through deception.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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You say that your Mohammedan friends are peaceful and you deduce from this that all are like that? Then explain to me please why according to a poll from 2006 40% of British Mohammedans would like to introduce sharia there.
You surely have also a good explanation why according to a Pew-research 84 % (!) of the Mohammedans in Egypt favour the death penalty if someone leaves Islam.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Nope I don't.
I just don't believe the panic mongerers who try to make us believe 90% of Muslims are fundamentalists. If they rly were, we'd see terrorist attacks everywhere, all the time. Never seen one in Belgium during my whole life time, and well 10% of our population is Muslim.
Most of them respect our secular law, exept some nutbags in the 'ghettos' in the bigger cities.
capusvacans 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy And about polls, what poll, who took it, where did they take it? How many ppl answered it? Be very carefull with polls. Doing that poll on the footstep of a mosque or in the middle of a busy shopping street would surely hold very different results.
I don't tend to give polls much notice, unless I know the conditions under which they were taken.
Polls are usualy quite worthless.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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"Considering the last acts of the inquisition took place in italy in the 1850's"
You are alluding here to the Italian Jewish boy Edgardo Mortara from the Papal State who was secretly baptiszd and then removed from his Jewish parents. This case indeed was outrageous and fuled alot of Italian nationalism among the Italian patriots who decided that there should not be a Papal state anymore of this size.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Nice an educated man. Anyway this just shows that christians didn't abandon their religous crimes very long ago. Some christians would even like to return to those ways, just look at all the newer christian cults in america.
capusvacans 1 month ago
@capusvacans In short, you say Islam is a destructive religion. But you make claims as: the crusades were a defensive, thus just war, that cleansing Spain of muslims was a good thing. And you say this with the aura of a 'good' christian.
You are nothing more then a hateful person, unable to see past his own pre conceived judgements. Jezus would be ashamed to call you a christian.
As long as you can justify murder for your own God as good, you wil never be a true christian.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“It is a bad system, although much better then all the predecessing systems”
I don’t get you here. Are you applauding that 70% of Mohammedans in Egypt voted for parties which favour the implantation of sharia law?
You even seem not worried too much how the Nazis came into power through the ballot box. Well, well, interesting what is coming out inside from you ...
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“If one believes his own ideology is the one and only true one, and is given absolute power,...”
I disagree 100% with this! It’s not the people who think that their ideology is the only correct one and should be given absolute power, IT’S THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF WHICH COMMANDS THAT!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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@paolocallidemocracy "I disagree 100% with this! It’s not the people who think that their ideology is the only correct one and should be given absolute power, IT’S THE IDEOLOGY ITSELF WHICH COMMANDS THAT!"
So wait, you are now saying that any ideology can make it's believer seek absolute dominion? You just agreed with me without wanting to.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“The old testament is full of passages where non believers are slain.”
Have you read what I have written? In the Old Testament the only prescriptive rules for the Christians are the 10 commandments, Jews have the 613 mitzwot.
Usually Christians focus on the New Testament.
All the other stories and rules in the Old Testament are DESCRIPTIVE which were valid only in the context of that time.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“another interpretation of the koran dictates that you cannot force anyone to convert to islam, you should convert them by your own piousness”
I don’t know where you got this but it’s certainly not Islam. Now let’s see what the Mohammedan doctrine is saying about conversions:
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]”
Koran, Sura 8:39
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah”
Koran 2:193
Now let’s see how Mohammed himself behaved according to the mandy Hadith:
“The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."
Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 33
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah....”
Book 1, Volume 8, Number 387
Now Mohmamedans are obliged to follow everything Mohammed said and did during his lifetime. Now if a Mohammedan reads this, how is he gonna behave regarding religious freedom? I’ll leave the answer to you again.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“Crusades a defensive war?“
As I already elaborated, yes. Israel belonged to the Christians, then from 638 on to the Mohammedans.
The first crusade was established to conquer Israel back. Where is the problem?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Nope it was originaly intended by the Byzantin emperor as a way to secure the vestiges of his empire from the Turks. Urban II just abused the request for his own agenda.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“they slaughtered everyone inside Jerusalem, Saladin didn't“
I see you know nothing about history. Saladin first butchered most of the Crusaders in the battle of Hattin, then a couple of months later he attacked Jerusalem. Why don’t you mention that the people in Jerusalem had to pay ransom to be liberated and the rest was sold into slavery? That you call a noble person? I call Saladin a clever Mohammedan, nothing more.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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“It weren't the vaticans armies, it were local king's armies”
The Christian armies conquered Europe and forced them to become Christian? You really don’t have a clue about Christianity and European history in general.
Europe was Christianized through a slow conversion process. As soon it reached the king usually all the subjects became Christian, too.
I can’t believe that you are discussing with such a low knowledge of religion and history!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Slow conversion you say, and yet you say, as soon as religion reached the king, the ppl converted too. Indeed, Christianity was rapidly imposed on most of the Kingdoms as state religion.
Not adhering to that religion would not always have had gruesome consequences at first, but it would have excluded you from any important position in society.
And many places were converted by the sword too.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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“U cannot call the inquisition anything else then enforcing the doctrine through sheer terror.”
Wrong again. The Spanish Inquisition targeted Mohammedans (rightfully) and Jews (unjustifiably) in order to get rid of the previous Mohammedan rule.
Where is the problem when Mohammedans who have ruled brutally over many centuries in Spain came under suspicion of the Christian rulers?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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Where is the problem when Christians in Spain feared that the Mohammedans who still lived in Spain would form a dangerous 5th column?
“Spain before: multicultural, after, 99% catholic.”
Another myth which you are mentioning here. Spain under Mohammedan rule was a brutal dictatorship where Christians and Jews where second-class-people who had to pay a special tax (jihzha).
Spain was conquered MILITARILLY by the Mohammedans from 710-716.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy The moors tax them, the christians, convert, kill or expulse them.
also, what other way is there to conquer a nation? By sending a boatload of pigeons? Any conquest is military. This says nothing about Islam
capusvacans 1 month ago
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Lets' see what Maimonides, who was born and lived huge parts of his life in Spain, wrote about the, according to you, multicultural paradise:
"..the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us...Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they.."
How could the "racist" Maimonides wrote such hateful things about the Mohammedan angels?
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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In Granada in 1066 there was a pogrom (The Granada Massacre), initiated by the Mohammedans, in which 5'000 Jews were assassinated. So only because of "lousy" 5'000 murdered Jews Maimonides writes badly about al-Andalus …
Yes, and before I forget the Christian insurgents of Toledo between 811-819 were crucified.
Al-Andalus was far from being a multicultural paradise. It was a monolithic Islamic hellhole!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy Lol, and christians didn' t do pogroms? Didn't they also force Jews to leave or convert during the spanish inquisition? Again both faiths have their problems.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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"No need to specificaly name Jews here."
Well, well, what is coming out here suddenly? Is there something that you are hiding ?
I mentioned the Jews a couple of times and you are getting "disturbed" just for that? Psychologist would call it a Freudian lapsus …
" I know your constitution"
No, it's not my constitution but I admire it a lot! Read please on my channel where I am from!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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"I just don't know why correctly answering a religious question has anything to do with presidential suitability."
It's you who didn't like the fact that Michele Bachmann declared herself a Christian despite the fact that the American constitution (including all the European constitutions) allows specifically religious freedom.
Thank you for telling us where your stand is in regard of personal freedoms!
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
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"there would be only 1 church, but there are 100's. And they all say different things. It isn't very logical is it."
You have the right to be against religion which both the American and the European constitutions allow, too. A right by the way which you would like to be only one-sided having a huge problem if somebody follows the Christian religion.
Oddly enough you don't have a problem if somebody is a Mohammedan …
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy To summarise: I think that anyone who believes too deeply that his own religion/ideology (whichever it is) has the potential to be a dangerous person to any that doesn't hold the same faith. It has been proven all over during history. (crusades, al qaida, stalin, hitler...)
I don't defend Islam over Christianity, they are equals in wickedness. But you only bash Islam, I merely try to point out that your own faith holds the same amount of danger to others.
capusvacans 1 month ago
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"If i rly were trolling you, believe me you wouldn't even have to doubt it."
You are right. Now I know for sure that you are nothing else than a troll!
Let's summarize:
I gave you the testimony of Maimonides who described the Arab rule in Spain as vicious. I mentioned at the same time the Massacre of Granada in 1066 where 5'000 Jews were brutally assassinated. I mentioned also how the revolts of the Christians were crushed after the invasion in 710.
paolocallidemocracy 1 month ago
@paolocallidemocracy You give the testimony of Maimonides, ok. I know who he was, but not what kind of person he was. There's a good chance that he was biased in his description.
Also crushing a revolt is another thing. It is ppl challenging the state, so logicaly the state will crush the revolt. That is not a normal reaction for any state. You might also want to check how many