@vislollobrigida Yet Laibach is just the musical part of Neue Slowenische Kunst, so if this is NSK music, then it must be Laibach regardless of who was featured in the song. You can have "x feat. y", but you can never have "x feat. Laibach", because then it would be part of the NSK musical art, and hence Laibach.
@TheLogicStick yep. but the music is performed/recorded by Silence feat. Laibach's singer. like any other Laibach record (almost any) where Laibach did not participate much more than image, package, younameit...
Ataturk was a freemason, yes. And a jew, if that makes you even prouder. So you say that these massacres of armenians by the young turks and their curdish allies was justified. Arent you the bloodthirsty type. Hu!
Fear not and don't be dismayed The crimson flag shall never fade I know it will always shine My nation star and it is mine It will always shine I know it will always shine Freedom is my people's rights Freedom is my people's rights Freedom is my people's rights Freedom is my people's rights The west may be armored with steel But we have the faith and belief Freedom is my people's rights We worship god and seek the miths Freedom is my people's rights Freedom is my people's rights
Every song in the album is meant as an honest satire. We are to listen to them to get a better understanding of our stake in what it is that we all do. Seriously, every song on this album has a terrifying implication.
@xerfes They did a version of their own song as well. They too, made objective observations of their actions with the NSK track. What you have to remember is that Laibach is a small part of a nation of artists that originated in Slovenia and became a single boundless nation known as the NSK. If anything, they're being objective and simply calling it how they experience it.
Ok, I have to ask. Why is NSK suddenly a nation? To me it sounds like a fantasy/idea (for lack of better terms) that Laibach made to categorize their ideology.
@Israelpwn "The nation (...) is an imagined community - and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign" - Benedict Anderson. So every nation is an ´idea´.
Yeah, ok - true. Every nation exists because we believe it exists. But I mean, legally speaking, internationally speaking - NSK isn't recognized as a state of its own, with its own government, and with defined borders, or is it?
@Israelpwn No of course not, but they are artists - not in the sense that Lady Gaga is an artist but in the sense that Ai Weiwei is an artist, or maybe they are in the gray transitional area between those two - so you have to look at it in an arty farty way. (B.t.w. it looks like you equal the nation with the state but a nation is not the same as a state. E.g. the Kurdish nation has no state of it's own & the Austro-Hungarian state contained several nations).
@Israelpwn I first wanted to say yep but they I saw on wikipedia that they do claim to have a "state", but as they don't have a territory & aren't sovereign they don't fit the definition of a state. So in the end: yes they are a nation without a state.
Europes existing borders have been formed in war between muslim invaders - so for us in Europe - of course. But I would not say the same for some nomadic tribes. :)
So...were to begin. There is no doubt among western historians that the ottomans/turks slaughtered and even enslaved the native population. The ottomans used kidnapped christian boys as front soldiers against their native homeland in Greece, Serbia or Albania. The young turks were no better - they slaughtered about one million armenians. Attaturk himself was a jew. Turkey is in Europe through occupation.
@OrthodoxiaThanatos I'm sorry? Armenians slaughtered? Eastern Turkey was decimated by Armenians and they deserved to pay. Plus M.K.A was a freemason...
So...were to begin. There is no doubt among western historians that the ottomans/turks slaughtered and even enslaved the native he young turks were no better - they slaughtered about one million armenians. Attaturk himself was a jew. Turkey is in Europe through occupation.
@Zekinith92 yea cos everyone wants to be apart from others in their own small group and every one of them wants to be on top of that group. why wouldn't we be on all together all the same and share knowledge and goods with eachother, i wouldn't mind. no, instead we are paying some guys to keep us all apart and worse, to hate eachother for a tiny differences in a cultures and to fight eachother. peaople just want to be controlled i guess ;(
@ObsoleteDesign Um, hi. Ottomans were executing people who were against Islam, Turkey, Ottomans. They were just shit. The current republic is much better.
sorry makedanos i was just trying to have a little fun but my post was in bad taste. removed it. never thought id live to see the day where i apologized to a shameless racist lol
Hating the Ottoman Empire is part of nationalist DNA in parts of Europe that were part of the Empire for centuries. The messy fact is that ethnic Greeks and Serbs and ect helped run the empire at the highest level -- and their even blood ran in the veins of many Sultans. Actual religious Christians and Jews also formed the backbone of the empire -- part of the wealthy and political classes. It was much more about families back then; "nationalism" is a new idea.
Of course there were ethnic Greek and Serb collaborators who benefited from the status quo, but that doesn't alter the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Empire's non-Muslim subjects suffered discrimination at best and genocidal persecution at worst at the hands of the Muslim Turks. History cannot be erased.
Yes, and Turkey slaughtered millions in the process of resisting what you call colonization and others might call the liberation of their ancestral homelands. Building a Republic on the ashes of its exterminated indigenous populations is hardly something to be proud of.
As for Turkey being "untouchable" and its neighbours being "jealous" (lol), it remains to be seen what the future holds... At the pinnacle of its power, no one could ever have predicted the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. ;)
You little greek bitch. Shut the fuck up. Look at your own fuckin history! Germany is also a genocidal nation. But the difference is, they made a better job than the Turks. You're my next victim, motherfucker! :-)
Proud to be Turkish! Proud to be German! Proud to be human! lol
Macedonia is already *in* Greece, silly. Since 1912, actually, when we kicked the Turks out. The former Yugoslav republic that misuses the term for itself is not Macedonia. As for living in the past, look who's talking. Is that why you *still* refuse to recognize the Armenian Genocide in 2010?
Talk with me like a civilized person, ok? Otherwise I will not answer your stupid comments.
Macedonia or Greece, just 2 little countries. Not really important to me and the entire world. Maybe there was an armenian genocide. I feel sorry for the people, but this is not my problem!!!
Maybe? And then you have the audacity to call yourself civilized? The only Greek Genocide is that perpetrated by the Turks against the Greeks of Anatolia and Pontus in particular. It was part of the same Turkish policy of extermination of the indigenous Christian population that also targeted the Armenians and Assyrians.
I don't want to talk about turkish history with people who are not well informed. You and your people are all victims of bad propaganda. I don't feel any responsibility for the turkish past. Or do you say I'm sorry, because Alexander killed all the people in Asia, while he was invading it :-)
Ah yes, the rest of the world are "victims of bad propaganda" and only you have it right. But of course. Our aim is for Turkey to acknowledge and pay for its crimes like Germany did. Judging from your obstinacy, we clearly have a very long way to go.
Do you feel sorry for the turkish people who were killed by Greek Army while they were invading Turkey? Do you feel sorry for the people who got killed in Cyprus?
If there was a genocide I have to accept it. As I wrote already, I feel sorry for all innocent people. Also greek people. I respect greek culture and their heritage to the world. But I can see, that todays greeks are far away from what they have been.
Yes, I feel sorry for them, but it wasn't a genocide, which is a very specific crime. I also feel sorry for the Greeks killed by the invading Turkish army in Cyprus in 1974, even if that wasn't a genocide in a strictly legal sense. Northern Cyprus has been ethnically cleansed of its Greek population, who are still barred from returning to their own homes. Germany has recognized its war crimes and paid compensation.
As for the landing of the Greek army at Smyrna in 1919 at Britain's behest, it may have been an "invasion" for you but for the Greek majority living there at the time it was the liberation of a land that had been inhabited by Greeks since ancient times.
I´m German, we did not pay buy by money and it wouldn´t have helped the dead, or?
But we must´nt forget our past and we shall be a "Leitbild", a shining motivation, for all people to end Racism and forge democracy and peace and a state where no one is harmed because of his race, religion or gender!
Why do you say things like that? What is "good" in that we call genozide?
Be proud of your culture but give the other culture their freedom too. Thats the only way to peace and wealth for all! As Muslims ruled over Jerusalem Christians, Jews annd Moslems lived there in peace. why isn´t that possible in a global way?
Hard to explain. Imagine every song here as a satire. I mean, listen to it. It even SOUNDS terrifying. All of it is a mockery of what it imitates. I dunno what the Turkish anthem sounds like or its history well, but every other Volk song I heard so far is mockery of said concept.
The Freedom/God line may be a reference to Turkey's freedom vs religious extremism issue. But I'm not sure.
I visited a lot of cities in Europe; ISTANBUL was the most fascinating one - really ! try ! such friendly, tolerant and open people ... love you; greetings from Slovenia !
400 year of oppression against the greeks who built the city of Istanbul - former known as Constantinople - capital of Byzantium.
Turks - Tolerant = Historical ignorance at the deepest level.
Even during the 20century the greeks were expelled from Turkey and Istanbul.
This capital does not belong to Turkey by right- only by oppression - Turkey is en Europe through occupation - its natural place is outside our Continent.
@OrthodoxiaThanatos actually many of the ottoman revolution supporters were byzantinum othordoxs and anyone could live in the ottoman empire including non islam-arabics the only thing the non islamics couldnt do was use certain colors had to pay a small extra tax and couldnt join the army or goverment(they could vote they just couldnt try to get elected)not really a big deal conciderating that in most other contrys(specially the europeans ones)you or coverted or died
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Fuck Muslim scum. We dont want you in Europe. We want Constantinople back. We want you out of Europe. We want your gangs to leave our cities. Stay to yourself, and we will stay to ourselves. Your invasion cannot go on. If the rising does not happen before we become minorities in our own European countries, then it will happen after, and Europe has always prevailed.
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yeah you sure got me. gaygreek. ouch that one hurt. to bad im dutch asshat. see thats why you could never beat us, all you had where violent men. men with no brains who wanted to rape and murder. fuck off
You are completley right. Here in Germany there are are a lot of people from Turkey and I really appreciate that. They are hostible neighbours, workmates and friends. Long live Turkey and hopefully we will soon unite in the EU!
Do you really think Laibach are some Ataturk cheerleaders (or anyone else's for that matter)? This song/album is not the celebration of nationalism, it's showing how similar is every nation's delusion of greatness. And yet posts about every song from Volk on youtube turn into bickering about who came where first, who killed whom 500 years ago, and who's taking who's job in the present. Sad...
@FantasticHysteric Laibach is a spiritual melting pot. It creates mental plane for national sentiments and resentiments to be expressed. They ought to be expressed as supression leads eventually to catastrophy.
@FantasticHysteric no, Laibach aren't just attacking the "delusions of greatness" of peoples that have tried to fight for justice, equality, and freedom. They are not fighting for a liberal empire, better integrated under Capital, with the banner of Coca Cola for all.
@mistarcraw I wrote my comment a while ago but since i keep getting responses, I'll elaborate. To understand this album you need to know at least something about postmodernism and its place in Laibach music. They deconstructed The Beatles and The Stones songs before,so why not do a rendering of national anthems in the same way.What all anthems share is a bloody history and major pomp in celebrating it. I don't see how my opposing of (any) nationalism is automatically advocating a liberal empire
@FantasticHysteric you have to realize that postmodernism is a very effective tool of late Capital. look at the way corporations do not pay tribute to any nation, but instead utilize their weapons (which are quickly becoming privatized at an incredible rate). private armies will soon completely allow the federation of corporations, banks, and oligarchs to abandon the state.
@FantasticHysteric ie. look at the disintegration of welfare in not only the United States (social security on the chopping block, California is in a fire sale), but in Europe, where the welfare state was strong. It is now being dissolved, with apparatuses like the IMF and the World Bank doing the decimation. So, in a way, nationalism/the state is being reversed, from a tool of the oppressors to liberators. Laibach realizes this, which is why some of these anthems are actually in solidarity
lutfen oyle deme, eger ataturk olmasaydi sen su an zor youtubeda bu sarkiyi izlerdin. Veya ben turkum demekten utanirdin , eger Ataturk olmasaydi suan iran gibi bir ulke olurduk biz.
terbiyesiz. atatürk olmasaydi senin baban ya fransiz, ya ingiliz yada yünan olurdu. agzi olan konusuyor. icimden senin anlayacagin dilden konusmak geliyor ama senin seviyene inmem. du verblendeter anal charakter.
i want to remember you that atatürk showed respekt where he found a greek flag in the war he took it from the ground and gived to a greek back he was a real man and not son of bitches like you who talk shit about him
ataturk was exislamized jew from Thessaloniki. just a butcher with soviet help. Assyrians, pontians, cypriots, kurds, armenians and many others remember who Kemal was...
Up yours Turkish pig Kemal was a bastard and just because you were born Turkish doesnt have to mean that you should look up to him And by the way, many nations have been tortured by Turks through history not just the Hellenic people, but Rumanians, Bulgarians, Kurds and others
I mean horrible tortures and guess what fuckface one of the favorite tortures of the Turkish nation was raping without hesitation if the victim was a child, a woman or a man That makes many Turkish more of a filthy fag than any other creature with the ability to walk on 2 legs and choose its sexuality on this earth...
This song is great, but Kemal is an eternal son of a bitch Many killings, rapes, violent islamizations and other disgusting deeds took place in his time with his best wishes
you hellenic bastards wanted killing the turks every time so before the ottoman empire you are in luck if we would barbarians like you we would kill everybody of you
egypt its my egypt my !
karimbouraoui64 19 hours ago
egypt its my xd
karimbouraoui64 19 hours ago
lah akbar
karimbouraoui64 1 week ago
egypt its my xd
karimbouraoui64 1 week ago
One of the best songs ever
szanpan001 1 week ago
long live egypt
karimbouraoui64 2 weeks ago
@vislollobrigida Yet Laibach is just the musical part of Neue Slowenische Kunst, so if this is NSK music, then it must be Laibach regardless of who was featured in the song. You can have "x feat. y", but you can never have "x feat. Laibach", because then it would be part of the NSK musical art, and hence Laibach.
And I and everything I say is NSK propaganda.
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@TheLogicStick Yet it is still on Laibach's album. But then your probably right it sounds like laibach usual stuff; doing stuff with other artists
MrBb100000 3 months ago
1:45... Laibach: Doing Dubstep before it was cool
TheLogicStick 3 months ago 4
@TheLogicStick it is not Laibach it is SILENCE ... it would be fair to say it is "Silence feat. Laibach"
vislollobrigida 3 months ago
@vislollobrigida
wut? This is Laibach. The album is called Volk.
TheLogicStick 3 months ago 2
@TheLogicStick yep. but the music is performed/recorded by Silence feat. Laibach's singer. like any other Laibach record (almost any) where Laibach did not participate much more than image, package, younameit...
vislollobrigida 3 months ago
The darkest song of the whole album
MrBb100000 3 months ago 6
Best track on the album that I've heard, except Slovania
TheOsarracino23 4 months ago
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Cry me a river and stop discussing politics in a music video.
Noctivagant 5 months ago
Thank you crawler23 for uploading these. Made me go out and buy the album.
VoxNP 5 months ago
visiteur00000
Ataturk was a freemason, yes. And a jew, if that makes you even prouder. So you say that these massacres of armenians by the young turks and their curdish allies was justified. Arent you the bloodthirsty type. Hu!
OrthodoxiaThanatos 6 months ago
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mcazul07 6 months ago
Berlin ------> Ankara Nonstop...
LordKatzeify 8 months ago
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GAYS FLAG
1970doctorlove 9 months ago
cCc
undertakerfriend 9 months ago
Every song in the album is meant as an honest satire. We are to listen to them to get a better understanding of our stake in what it is that we all do. Seriously, every song on this album has a terrifying implication.
boundsoulreaper 9 months ago
@boundsoulreaper do you believe that they are putting themselfs on high horses by judgeing the contries history?
xerfes 9 months ago
@xerfes They did a version of their own song as well. They too, made objective observations of their actions with the NSK track. What you have to remember is that Laibach is a small part of a nation of artists that originated in Slovenia and became a single boundless nation known as the NSK. If anything, they're being objective and simply calling it how they experience it.
boundsoulreaper 9 months ago
@boundsoulreaper
Ok, I have to ask. Why is NSK suddenly a nation? To me it sounds like a fantasy/idea (for lack of better terms) that Laibach made to categorize their ideology.
Israelpwn 8 months ago
@Israelpwn "The nation (...) is an imagined community - and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign" - Benedict Anderson. So every nation is an ´idea´.
TheRacistsMustDie 8 months ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
Yeah, ok - true. Every nation exists because we believe it exists. But I mean, legally speaking, internationally speaking - NSK isn't recognized as a state of its own, with its own government, and with defined borders, or is it?
Israelpwn 8 months ago
@Israelpwn No of course not, but they are artists - not in the sense that Lady Gaga is an artist but in the sense that Ai Weiwei is an artist, or maybe they are in the gray transitional area between those two - so you have to look at it in an arty farty way. (B.t.w. it looks like you equal the nation with the state but a nation is not the same as a state. E.g. the Kurdish nation has no state of it's own & the Austro-Hungarian state contained several nations).
TheRacistsMustDie 8 months ago
@TheRacistsMustDie
Hmmmm. That does make sense. Thanks for clearing that up. So NSK is basically a nation without a state?
Israelpwn 8 months ago
@Israelpwn I first wanted to say yep but they I saw on wikipedia that they do claim to have a "state", but as they don't have a territory & aren't sovereign they don't fit the definition of a state. So in the end: yes they are a nation without a state.
TheRacistsMustDie 8 months ago
@Israelpwn It's a state in time, not a patch of Earth. You can't own land, it's foolish to think so, no?
SmartPorcupine 7 months ago
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"Am I the only one who see every song as a critic AGAINST the country?"
Contructive critic isn't against, it's FOR a country.
Abtacha666 10 months ago
@TarikM
Europes existing borders have been formed in war between muslim invaders - so for us in Europe - of course. But I would not say the same for some nomadic tribes. :)
OrthodoxiaThanatos 11 months ago
Onsholo
So...were to begin. There is no doubt among western historians that the ottomans/turks slaughtered and even enslaved the native population. The ottomans used kidnapped christian boys as front soldiers against their native homeland in Greece, Serbia or Albania. The young turks were no better - they slaughtered about one million armenians. Attaturk himself was a jew. Turkey is in Europe through occupation.
OrthodoxiaThanatos 11 months ago
@OrthodoxiaThanatos I'm sorry? Armenians slaughtered? Eastern Turkey was decimated by Armenians and they deserved to pay. Plus M.K.A was a freemason...
visiteur00000 6 months ago
Onsholo
So...were to begin. There is no doubt among western historians that the ottomans/turks slaughtered and even enslaved the native he young turks were no better - they slaughtered about one million armenians. Attaturk himself was a jew. Turkey is in Europe through occupation.
OrthodoxiaThanatos 11 months ago
The West may be armored with steel
But we have the fate and believe
Freedom is my people's right
We worship God and seek the myths
TRUTH TRUTH.........!!!! Long live Türkiye.....!!! Gods Army
NICOtin39 1 year ago
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turks and muslim are dirty sub-humans.
TschetschenenPower 1 year ago
@TschetschenenPower like ur mom i guess?
JesterringReload 11 months ago
@TschetschenenPower and you bastard get fucked by russians we have the power to protect us whats about you asshole motherfuckers
Buenyamintr 10 months ago
It´s those racists and fascists from Bozkurt!
benutzer29915022 1 year ago
@benutzer29915022 und jetzt ?!
Buenyamintr 1 year ago
@Buenyamintr Und jetzt? Wie wär´s mit Viva Kurdistan, du anatolischer Hoehlenmensch?
benutzer29915022 1 year ago
@benutzer29915022 man sieht ja wer ein höhlenmensch ist du ratte kommst und glaubst du kannst dadurch was bringen wenn du auf youtube was schreibst
du niemand
Buenyamintr 1 year ago
People who enjoy waving flags don’t deserve to have one.
zyglus 1 year ago
@zyglus
Funny how we attach such significance to artificial borders and coloured pieces of rectangular cloth, huh?
Zekinith92 1 year ago
@Zekinith92 yea cos everyone wants to be apart from others in their own small group and every one of them wants to be on top of that group. why wouldn't we be on all together all the same and share knowledge and goods with eachother, i wouldn't mind. no, instead we are paying some guys to keep us all apart and worse, to hate eachother for a tiny differences in a cultures and to fight eachother. peaople just want to be controlled i guess ;(
raptormancro 11 months ago
Laibach... makes people talk
baroh2413 1 year ago 5
In my opinion this song describes the dark history of the Turkish nation and the scariness of their nation as an expansionist war machine.
TheCyprusX 1 year ago
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disgusting turks, filthy arabs.
zaffe93 1 year ago
diese Band ist eine der Besten die ihr jemals hören werdet in eurem kurzen Scheiß Leben........
Pattayasanuk 1 year ago
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fuck jewish people
fuck armenian people
undertakerfriend 1 year ago
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scheiß türken
Dauerfeuer1 1 year ago
Ali du kanack ab nach haus mit dir...
77Nordland 1 year ago
and where is Mohammedd?
Pattayasanuk 1 year ago
Hörs dir gut an Ali!
Pattayasanuk 1 year ago
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Pattayasanuk 1 year ago
@ ObsoleteDesign: You´re right.
And to the others: Think about the Assassins on their own Streets and how they kill the own people just to see the bodys!
TheElecter 1 year ago
Modern Turkey have turned to barbarism, please bring back the Ottomans..
ObsoleteDesign 1 year ago
@ObsoleteDesign hahahah best comment on youtube HAHAHAH sad but true HAHA
everyonetookmynick 1 year ago
@ObsoleteDesign Um, hi. Ottomans were executing people who were against Islam, Turkey, Ottomans. They were just shit. The current republic is much better.
sonerin 1 year ago
@ObsoleteDesign l0l
plaparen 1 year ago
Was the best track last night at ULU in a great set.
TFAVio 2 years ago
Türkiye, Türkiye -Über Alles..... :-)))
mikimegacar 2 years ago
.....anybody listening to the music, too?
i like this one a lot, "Volk" is possibly my favourite Laibach since "Kapital".
this track is simply beautiful, as are most on the album.
djcrudo 2 years ago 2
sorry makedanos i was just trying to have a little fun but my post was in bad taste. removed it. never thought id live to see the day where i apologized to a shameless racist lol
frea35g 2 years ago 2
I'm a shameless racist for saying Turkey should pay for its crimes like Germany did for its, so be it.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Hating the Ottoman Empire is part of nationalist DNA in parts of Europe that were part of the Empire for centuries. The messy fact is that ethnic Greeks and Serbs and ect helped run the empire at the highest level -- and their even blood ran in the veins of many Sultans. Actual religious Christians and Jews also formed the backbone of the empire -- part of the wealthy and political classes. It was much more about families back then; "nationalism" is a new idea.
ShahidMiller 2 years ago
Of course there were ethnic Greek and Serb collaborators who benefited from the status quo, but that doesn't alter the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Empire's non-Muslim subjects suffered discrimination at best and genocidal persecution at worst at the hands of the Muslim Turks. History cannot be erased.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Turkey is a genocidal nation whose existence shames all humanity.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
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frea35g 2 years ago
Yes, and Turkey slaughtered millions in the process of resisting what you call colonization and others might call the liberation of their ancestral homelands. Building a Republic on the ashes of its exterminated indigenous populations is hardly something to be proud of.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
As for Turkey being "untouchable" and its neighbours being "jealous" (lol), it remains to be seen what the future holds... At the pinnacle of its power, no one could ever have predicted the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. ;)
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Omg, how can you speak like that? Ottoman Empire has absolutely nothing to do with nowadays Turkey.
eXecutivedirectress 2 years ago
Modern Turkey is the successor state to the Ottoman Empire.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago 6
@MAKEDANOS no shit....
boleplissken 4 months ago
@ MAKEDANOS:
You little greek bitch. Shut the fuck up. Look at your own fuckin history! Germany is also a genocidal nation. But the difference is, they made a better job than the Turks. You're my next victim, motherfucker! :-)
Proud to be Turkish! Proud to be German! Proud to be human! lol
SharkAttack37 2 years ago
Not if I get you first, Mongol. ;)
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
No, you see that's just it. You can't make us "shut the fuck up" any more. Now it's *your* turn, bitch.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
OK, first of all, get Macedonia back to Greece. Than we can talk again ;-)
Why do greeks live in the past?
SharkAttack37 2 years ago
Macedonia is already *in* Greece, silly. Since 1912, actually, when we kicked the Turks out. The former Yugoslav republic that misuses the term for itself is not Macedonia. As for living in the past, look who's talking. Is that why you *still* refuse to recognize the Armenian Genocide in 2010?
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Talk with me like a civilized person, ok? Otherwise I will not answer your stupid comments.
Macedonia or Greece, just 2 little countries. Not really important to me and the entire world. Maybe there was an armenian genocide. I feel sorry for the people, but this is not my problem!!!
Think about greek killings and genocides!
SharkAttack37 2 years ago
Maybe? And then you have the audacity to call yourself civilized? The only Greek Genocide is that perpetrated by the Turks against the Greeks of Anatolia and Pontus in particular. It was part of the same Turkish policy of extermination of the indigenous Christian population that also targeted the Armenians and Assyrians.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
And it is your problem, whether you like it or not. You and your countrymen are the heirs to that bloody legacy.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
And now? What should we do? Do you have an idea?
I don't want to talk about turkish history with people who are not well informed. You and your people are all victims of bad propaganda. I don't feel any responsibility for the turkish past. Or do you say I'm sorry, because Alexander killed all the people in Asia, while he was invading it :-)
Whats your aim?
SharkAttack37 2 years ago
Ah yes, the rest of the world are "victims of bad propaganda" and only you have it right. But of course. Our aim is for Turkey to acknowledge and pay for its crimes like Germany did. Judging from your obstinacy, we clearly have a very long way to go.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Do you feel sorry for the turkish people who were killed by Greek Army while they were invading Turkey? Do you feel sorry for the people who got killed in Cyprus?
If there was a genocide I have to accept it. As I wrote already, I feel sorry for all innocent people. Also greek people. I respect greek culture and their heritage to the world. But I can see, that todays greeks are far away from what they have been.
How did Germany pay for its crimes?
SharkAttack37 2 years ago
Yes, I feel sorry for them, but it wasn't a genocide, which is a very specific crime. I also feel sorry for the Greeks killed by the invading Turkish army in Cyprus in 1974, even if that wasn't a genocide in a strictly legal sense. Northern Cyprus has been ethnically cleansed of its Greek population, who are still barred from returning to their own homes. Germany has recognized its war crimes and paid compensation.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
As for the landing of the Greek army at Smyrna in 1919 at Britain's behest, it may have been an "invasion" for you but for the Greek majority living there at the time it was the liberation of a land that had been inhabited by Greeks since ancient times.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
I´m German, we did not pay buy by money and it wouldn´t have helped the dead, or?
But we must´nt forget our past and we shall be a "Leitbild", a shining motivation, for all people to end Racism and forge democracy and peace and a state where no one is harmed because of his race, religion or gender!
benutzer29915022 2 years ago 2
They are still paying to Israel and are now a coward Nation because of the Nazis you are not even allowed to question the holocaust
Better question:How did Turkey pay for its crimes?There youre not even allowed to talk about the armenien genozide
Slayedjudas666 2 years ago
Why do you say things like that? What is "good" in that we call genozide?
Be proud of your culture but give the other culture their freedom too. Thats the only way to peace and wealth for all! As Muslims ruled over Jerusalem Christians, Jews annd Moslems lived there in peace. why isn´t that possible in a global way?
benutzer29915022 2 years ago 2
@benutzer29915022 all war is civil war humanity needs to embrace culture and diversity.
gambara29 2 years ago
Am I the only one who see every song as a critic AGAINST the country?
I read many comments like "Turkey/America/Bablabla would be proud". I think this people don't get the sense of the songs.
Flyer2005 2 years ago 15
i dont know about some of the songs but i see Germania as a warning, an advice and as an accepted apology
germanvisitor2 2 years ago 3
@Flyer2005
I can´t see any critic ,where is it?
FiasKlo55 8 months ago
@FiasKlo55
"Freedom is my people's right,
We worship God and seek the might"
Flyer2005 8 months ago
@Flyer2005
i don´t think that´s a critic
FiasKlo55 8 months ago
@FiasKlo55
Hard to explain. Imagine every song here as a satire. I mean, listen to it. It even SOUNDS terrifying. All of it is a mockery of what it imitates. I dunno what the Turkish anthem sounds like or its history well, but every other Volk song I heard so far is mockery of said concept.
The Freedom/God line may be a reference to Turkey's freedom vs religious extremism issue. But I'm not sure.
Israelpwn 8 months ago
I visited a lot of cities in Europe; ISTANBUL was the most fascinating one - really ! try ! such friendly, tolerant and open people ... love you; greetings from Slovenia !
LP999999999 2 years ago 33
@LP999999999 Dude, Turkey is not Europe.....
demotivatoren 1 year ago
But it is Eurasia.
Three points of a triangle -Europe, Turkey, Russia.
Read Nietzche or better still Thiriart.
Metropolitus 1 year ago
@LP999999999
Constantinople.
TheCyprusX 1 year ago
@LP999999999
1453?
400 year of oppression against the greeks who built the city of Istanbul - former known as Constantinople - capital of Byzantium.
Turks - Tolerant = Historical ignorance at the deepest level.
Even during the 20century the greeks were expelled from Turkey and Istanbul.
This capital does not belong to Turkey by right- only by oppression - Turkey is en Europe through occupation - its natural place is outside our Continent.
OrthodoxiaThanatos 1 year ago
@OrthodoxiaThanatos oooohh there is somebady really sad
boy r u out of job ???????
go play with childrens outside, its better than to try brainwash on youtube
Buenyamintr 1 year ago
@OrthodoxiaThanatos actually many of the ottoman revolution supporters were byzantinum othordoxs and anyone could live in the ottoman empire including non islam-arabics the only thing the non islamics couldnt do was use certain colors had to pay a small extra tax and couldnt join the army or goverment(they could vote they just couldnt try to get elected)not really a big deal conciderating that in most other contrys(specially the europeans ones)you or coverted or died
onsholo 11 months ago
@OrthodoxiaThanatos
Ah so there are 'natural' places for people in this world?
TarikM 11 months ago
@LP999999999
if u want you can have all our turkys from germany in slovenia (:!
VanNelle1992 11 months ago
@VanNelle1992
but we dont want to go ! :)
TurkishPredator67 10 months ago
@VanNelle1992 learn from your history
undertakerfriend 9 months ago
@LP999999999 Agreed! I lived there for a year. Turks are by far the most friendly people on the planet. Just hope your not allergic to tea. :-)
BDKR 10 months ago
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Fuck Muslim scum. We dont want you in Europe. We want Constantinople back. We want you out of Europe. We want your gangs to leave our cities. Stay to yourself, and we will stay to ourselves. Your invasion cannot go on. If the rising does not happen before we become minorities in our own European countries, then it will happen after, and Europe has always prevailed.
topf3ss 2 years ago
you must be a pathetic greek or should i say gayreek :D:D:D you'll only see 'stantinople in your dreams :D:D:D
greatestdirector 2 years ago
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yeah you sure got me. gaygreek. ouch that one hurt. to bad im dutch asshat. see thats why you could never beat us, all you had where violent men. men with no brains who wanted to rape and murder. fuck off
topf3ss 2 years ago
:D:D:D:D being dutch is really worse than being a gayreek :D:D:D at least gayreeks had the honour to be ruled by turks...
greatestdirector 2 years ago
you are such an ignorant slut
topf3ss 2 years ago
you are NAZI!!!!
greatestdirector 2 years ago
Imbecile Turgays everywhere, I see...
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
çatla kıskancliktan
greatestdirector 2 years ago
Γαμιέσαι εσύ και η Τουρκιά σου.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Γαμιέσαι Ελληνικά σας
greatestdirector 2 years ago
Siktir Türkiye!
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
evet iste türkiyeyi görünce böyle dersin "siktiir, türkiye olm, naapcaz simdi??!!" git de götünü parmakla!!
greatestdirector 2 years ago 2
Όταν μιλάς σου μπαίνει, κι όταν δεν μιλάς σου μπαινοβγαίνει, Μογγόλε.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Έχω χρόνο. Δεν είμαι από. once in a day i can swear you. just takes 10 secs. ρατσιστής φασίστας!!! ηλίθιος ναζί!!!
greatestdirector 2 years ago
Get a life, racist.
eXecutivedirectress 2 years ago
Maybe if you weren't such an ignorant bitch you'd know what I was talking about.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
the best song from Volk! Turks can be proud! But...it's not the point of the album, to be nationally proud (anywhere).
Neurozumim 2 years ago
great song for great people ... all Turkish people which I know are the most friendly people which I ever met ...
IF YOU INVITE THEM; THEY WILL INVITE YOU
LP999999999 2 years ago
Completely true, I've heard only the best about Turks from my friends who visited Turkey, but it is not the subject of the song.
eXecutivedirectress 2 years ago
You are completley right. Here in Germany there are are a lot of people from Turkey and I really appreciate that. They are hostible neighbours, workmates and friends. Long live Turkey and hopefully we will soon unite in the EU!
spirit666crusher 2 years ago
No......................
lars3939 2 years ago
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fuck muslims
RussiaXmuslims 2 years ago
Do you really think Laibach are some Ataturk cheerleaders (or anyone else's for that matter)? This song/album is not the celebration of nationalism, it's showing how similar is every nation's delusion of greatness. And yet posts about every song from Volk on youtube turn into bickering about who came where first, who killed whom 500 years ago, and who's taking who's job in the present. Sad...
FantasticHysteric 2 years ago 72
Well, some nations deserve the "delusions of greatness" and some dont.
"nationalism" is not good nor necessary. but it will exist no matter what. possibly in different forms at different times
ozgurtekin86 2 years ago
@FantasticHysteric Laibach is a spiritual melting pot. It creates mental plane for national sentiments and resentiments to be expressed. They ought to be expressed as supression leads eventually to catastrophy.
mieszkomieszko 1 year ago
@FantasticHysteric
However they do celebrate freedom without any religous shackles. Ataturk is my hero. No religous relics in the government.
EHGMiedema 1 year ago
@FantasticHysteric no, Laibach aren't just attacking the "delusions of greatness" of peoples that have tried to fight for justice, equality, and freedom. They are not fighting for a liberal empire, better integrated under Capital, with the banner of Coca Cola for all.
mistarcraw 1 year ago
@mistarcraw I wrote my comment a while ago but since i keep getting responses, I'll elaborate. To understand this album you need to know at least something about postmodernism and its place in Laibach music. They deconstructed The Beatles and The Stones songs before,so why not do a rendering of national anthems in the same way.What all anthems share is a bloody history and major pomp in celebrating it. I don't see how my opposing of (any) nationalism is automatically advocating a liberal empire
FantasticHysteric 1 year ago
@FantasticHysteric you have to realize that postmodernism is a very effective tool of late Capital. look at the way corporations do not pay tribute to any nation, but instead utilize their weapons (which are quickly becoming privatized at an incredible rate). private armies will soon completely allow the federation of corporations, banks, and oligarchs to abandon the state.
mistarcraw 1 year ago
@FantasticHysteric ie. look at the disintegration of welfare in not only the United States (social security on the chopping block, California is in a fire sale), but in Europe, where the welfare state was strong. It is now being dissolved, with apparatuses like the IMF and the World Bank doing the decimation. So, in a way, nationalism/the state is being reversed, from a tool of the oppressors to liberators. Laibach realizes this, which is why some of these anthems are actually in solidarity
mistarcraw 1 year ago
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Why all the turks look so fucking funny
fireael3 2 years ago
domuz keseim ataturkun mezarina
great song...
mentoras88 2 years ago
hayvanlık yapma atamız olmasaydı anan babab belli olmasdı. beyendinmi aldıgın cevaı. dediyim gibi atatürkde olmasamıydı?
taxsi 2 years ago
lutfen oyle deme, eger ataturk olmasaydi sen su an zor youtubeda bu sarkiyi izlerdin. Veya ben turkum demekten utanirdin , eger Ataturk olmasaydi suan iran gibi bir ulke olurduk biz.
maykemelaugh 2 years ago
terbiyesiz. atatürk olmasaydi senin baban ya fransiz, ya ingiliz yada yünan olurdu. agzi olan konusuyor. icimden senin anlayacagin dilden konusmak geliyor ama senin seviyene inmem. du verblendeter anal charakter.
olympiquetango 2 years ago
cant say that i like turks... but this song is kick-ass!!!
the chorus behind is soooo dark
ragny 2 years ago 5
Funny Byenyamir.
Do u support Islam, and call arabs idiots?
Islam was founded by an arab, u know
besmb2105 2 years ago
do i have to like arabs because im a muslim??
Buenyamintr 2 years ago 5
i want to remember you that atatürk showed respekt where he found a greek flag in the war he took it from the ground and gived to a greek back he was a real man and not son of bitches like you who talk shit about him
Buenyamintr 2 years ago
ataturk was exislamized jew from Thessaloniki. just a butcher with soviet help. Assyrians, pontians, cypriots, kurds, armenians and many others remember who Kemal was...
mentoras88 2 years ago
hahahahahahh do you belive what you just said.
Ataturk was someone who was 100% turk , really what you say has little impact on any turk it just shows how stupid you are.
no disrespect to you, but really study your history .
maykemelaugh 2 years ago
you are such a moron.
olympiquetango 2 years ago
catlayin patlayin, turkiyeyi sevmeyenler!!!
aleyna1231 3 years ago
tÜRKIYE=KEBAB FACE
Muslimwarrior2 3 years ago
you have a fucking name you arabs destroy the name of islam why warrior why islamwarrior if other people read your name what they could think ??
just only islam = aggressiv barbarian.
just only because of people like you
Buenyamintr 3 years ago 2
Funny thin is, that the number implies that there are at least two of them. Sad.
odiumisfun 2 years ago
tÜRKIYE
undertakerfriend 3 years ago
Amazing song
ThePoisonDoor 3 years ago
stfu u dumb asss.. IT LL BE ALWAYS SHINE !!
REALIZED THAT TURKS RE EVERYTING !
AND ATATUR IS UR FATHER AGGELOS ;)
SINCE 1453 ..
FCK YA GAYREEKKK
arkabahce 3 years ago
Up yours Turkish pig Kemal was a bastard and just because you were born Turkish doesnt have to mean that you should look up to him And by the way, many nations have been tortured by Turks through history not just the Hellenic people, but Rumanians, Bulgarians, Kurds and others
aggelos23s 3 years ago
I mean horrible tortures and guess what fuckface one of the favorite tortures of the Turkish nation was raping without hesitation if the victim was a child, a woman or a man That makes many Turkish more of a filthy fag than any other creature with the ability to walk on 2 legs and choose its sexuality on this earth...
aggelos23s 3 years ago
@arkabahce
Yeah yeah sure.
Go suck a goat dick.
Or learn proper english.
In every order you feel like doing so.
TheCyprusX 1 year ago
I don't like the text, but the instrumental ist very nice. I like industrial :)
Hamster1505 3 years ago
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Hamster1505 3 years ago
This song is great, but Kemal is an eternal son of a bitch Many killings, rapes, violent islamizations and other disgusting deeds took place in his time with his best wishes
aggelos23s 3 years ago
you hellenic bastards wanted killing the turks every time so before the ottoman empire you are in luck if we would barbarians like you we would kill everybody of you
Buenyamintr 3 years ago