@quedorf Really, citation please. According to the "UNODC 2010, International Statistics on Crime and Justice" the US Murder rate is 5.22 per 100k and the international rate is 9.63 per 100k. The US is on the bottom of that curve by a large margin.
Besides Gun Control is a total failure: (See Brady Score vs UCR) and Gun ownership has no effect on crime (See: Graphics Matter from Linoge).
Facts are a bitch when someone actually tells you where they can be found.
@pbtpu40 Did you notice I said first world country. Try comparing apples to apples. Your stats compare the US to the world including developing and third world countries with major socioeconomic issues, like Mexico, Somalia, etc. There is a reason I said first world countries.
Facts are a bitch when you do not look deeper into them.
@quedorf And obviously you didn't look into any of the facts I presented. Including those that just look at crime within the US. You also didn't state an actual statistical source for your information.
Facts are easy until you actually have to cite them. Cite your source.
@pbtpu40 If you choose to look at your own source you will see it says exactly what I told you. The US has one of the worst violent crime rates of the first world countries. "UNODC 2010, International Statistics on Crime and Justice" Seems like as good a source to make my point as needed. Lets choose some random first world countries. US 5.. Canada 1.8.. Norway 0.6.. UK 1.2.. Australia 1.2... And so on.
@quedorf So is it the GUNS that have the biggest effect on the violent crime rates involving firearms, or the socioeconomic issues? The US has some unique socioeconomic issues of its own that contributes to its high violent crime rate compared to other "first world" countries, such as our centuries of racism and the war on drugs. There IS NO direct correlation between the number of available firearms and the violent crime rate involving firearms. Gun control also has had no proven effect.
@orygunner1 If you choose to read what I wrote, I said that "their guns do not stop violence..." I said no where that they were the only source of the problem. You made this strawman argument. Several people in this video made the direct claim that guns stop violence.
@quedorf I prevented someone from bashing my brains in with a crow bar by drawing a pistol. He lived, I lived. I would have settled for "I lived", but was glad we both did.
@SARDiverDave You do realize that when one refers to not stopping violence, they do not mean personal anecdotes. They mean in the overall picture. There are always people who can claim a gun stopped a crime being committed against them, but that has to be weighed against the crimes that happened due to the availability of guns.
@quedorf Yes it is personal. Period. My pistol has not gone out and caused a problem. I don't care if everyone else goes out and causes problems I haven't so leave me, my rights, and my property alone.
You're saying a violent crime isn't personal. Seems like it's pretty damn personal to the victim.
@pbtpu40 When and where did I say anything like "a violent crime isn't personal"? I said personal anecdotes are not what someone is referring to when they say guns do not stop violence. It is a totally and completely different thing. Not even sure how you went from what I said to your little rant here. Anecdote means a short little story....
@quedorf Because the stories of violence are personal. You're saying that peoples personal anecdotes are inconsequential and worthless despite the fact they are equally impacted you ignorant dolt.
Since you don't live here, I have an idea, don't come and visit and just leave us with our freedom and liberty. Because I'd rather have the freedom and liberty to have a firearm and live without fear. Liberty and freedom have risk from those who might abuse it, doesn't mean it's not worth it.
@pbtpu40 I said no where at all that personal anecdotes are inconsequential. That is only what the uneducated, or intellectually dishonest fool would take from that. Try learning english, and reading what is written before you jump to conclusions. And do not put words into people mouths, as that seems to be the only way people who know they are wrong can make a feeble attempt at saving face.
Lastly, the freedom card is a juvenile argument. The US is no more free than anywhere else.
@quedorf It's juvenile because I have a choice and you want to take that from me? Only someone with 0 respect for human rights would make a statement like that.
As any typical anti gunner you resort to calling me uneducated or intellectually dishonest. Here's the thing, I can see exactly what you wrote. You said that personal anecdotes don't count in stopping violence. I am here arguing for the individual while you are saying the individual doesn't matter.
@pbtpu40 Anti gunner. What the hell is that. I own several firearms, and have extensive training in their use and handling. Perhaps have more experience with firearms than you. Read what has been written, and do not make stuff up.
I did not say the individual does not matter. I said that when saying firearms do not or do prevent violent crimes, personal anecdotes are not what they are referring to. If you cannot see the difference, then you ARE poorly educated.
@quedorf So in other words you're a Fudd. And now you're trying to pretend that being a gun owner some how provides you more credibility in the subject. You're all for gun control as long as it's not YOUR guns that are affected.
See now you've said that my only option is to agree with you or claim that I'm poorly educated. This is the sign of the weak argument instead of trying to properly and clearly explain his position through other verbiage.
@pbtpu40 Here you go again. I did not say you had to agree with me. I said "if you cannot see the difference". It has nothing at all to do with agreeing.
And again, NO. I did not say anything about credibility. You called me a anti gunner, and I showed that unless the definition is different than I think, one who owns guns is not an anti gunner.
Lastly, yes I am for gun control, but not for gun bans. There is a difference. I follow all the gun laws.
@quedorf All that can be reliably provided are personal anecdotes, since, to my knowledge, there is no reliably collected statistic of crimes that are prevented by the use or display of a firearm. The possession of a gun does not drive someone to commit a crime, any more than possession of a camera drives one to manufacture pornography. Someone who is disposed to steal or kill or cause mayhem will do so with or without a gun.
@pbtpu40 It seems that maybe your country has a major problem with violence, as everyone I discuss with seems to have some sort of violence prevented by their gun. Why is the US so violent? Maybe with better laws and attitudes, this violence would not happen.
If you take all the violent crimes that have happened, and add to it the potential crimes that were prevented, from what I have read, the US has a very very major problem, yet no one want to fix it. Which in my mind is another problem.
@quedorf Your solution to the problem is to disarm us to increase the victim pool. Yeah that's a solution right their. Let the strong control the weak.
I don't know where you're finding your numbers but their BS. FBI UCR and the CDC stats show that you're much more likely to die in a car wreck. Yet I don't hear you screaming to outlaw cars. Those stats also include justified uses of force by law enforcement and civilians.
Maybe ours looks higher because we actually report it.
@pbtpu40 First. Where did I say disarm anyone?? Another case of trying to set up a strawman. Second, Why compare firearms to cars? That is ridiculous, and not even a reasonable comparison. Guns primary purpose is to kill. Nothing more. Yes people use them for targets, but it is not primary. Cars primary purpose is Transportation.
@quedorf No a guns primary purpose is not to kill. It is a tool, who's purpose is to sling a hunk of copper coated lead at high speed to a distance with accuracy. What the PERSON does with that TOOL is up to them.
I was on the WSU campus when a crazed man ran over 4 people with his car on purpose. No out cry from you about car violence. My gun didn't shoot those people yet here you want to take it from me.
It is the operator, not the tool that's the problem.
@pbtpu40 I REPEAT. WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING YOUR GUN?? I AM INTRIGUED WHERE YOU READ THAT..... LET ME HELP YOU, I DID NOT. YOU ARE MAKING THIS UP
@quedorf You only argued against the positive statement implying the negative. You portrayed that guns are the problem when they are anything but. People are the problem.
You stated that guns don't stop violence and that the US has an extremely high crime rate. That was an attempt to imply correlation and causation. The solution given your implied correlation, given you're taking the side of the CSGV and Brady Campaign in this case is to ban guns.
@quedorf If you're wondering why I mean by report it. A good example is before a crime is reported to the statistics in the UK a conviction is required.
In the US all that is required is the suspicion of foul play.
*The UCR and CDC stats also include suicide as well. If someone wants to kill themselves they don't have to use a gun.
Stats lie, and you better examine what goes into making your statistics before you start arguing with them and remember correlation != causation.
@pbtpu40 I am not wondering what you meant. The Canadian Government has compiled the crime stats that are comparable between Canada and the US, and homicide and violent crimes are comparable between the two. (Feasibility Study on Crime Comparisons Between Canada and the United States)
@quedorf Yup and the gun registry worked so well they're getting rid of it. But before it goes they're using it to confiscate some weapons that some politicians feel look scary.
There was a list of caveats for the comparison. Only relatively comparable item is homicide, though you make the assumption the difference is entirely gun related without comparison to demographics. Even within the US that's a problem when comparing statistics. Correlation != causation
@pbtpu40 Gun registry?? No one mentioned the gun registry. Not even relevant.
I did not say the difference was entirely gun related. This is a continuing problem with you where you make up what you wanted me to have said, and perhaps hope that I will not catch it. No such luck. Anyone knows that guns is not the only problem. But it is one of the variables. And my original argument was that it is apparent that guns do not prevent violence. Nothing more.
@quedorf You mentioned Canada as your example to compare to the US. The Canadian registry is a failure.
You're statement that guns don't stop violence implies that we don't need guns. If you want to say it does neither you have to state both the positive and negative in the statement. Without doing so you imply that the opposite is true.
One question though, if guns don't stop violence, why do cops take one with them one someone is doing something violent?
@pbtpu40 The Canadian registry was not as much a failure as it was a political tool, and both sides of the argument poorly represented that. But I am not getting into it, because it is another debate.
Cops take guns to protect themselves from violence sine their job is occasionally to put themselves in harms way. But I have to stop this, because it is WAYYYY to late here, and I will regret this early in the morning when the kids get up. Thanks for the debate............
@quedorf Cops take guns to stop violence being done to them or others. Just the same carry a gun to stop violence being done to myself or others. Where I live the average police response is 30minutes to an hour. Unarmed I'll spend the rest of my life waiting for someone else to bring their gun.
The fact is predators can use guns to cause violence. Just the same citizens can use a gun to stop violence, that's why cops carry them. If guns didn't stop violence, what good would they be?
@quedorf I feel a need to respond to your comment to the effect that "personal anecdotes need to be weighed against the crimes commited because of the availability of firearms." That statement IMPLIES a mindset that firearms not "restricted from criminals" by "proper authority" (read Government) make crime worse. It also completely ignores the MASSIVE number of (mostly unreported) incidents where a drawn or even accidentally shown gun prevented violence from ever happening.
@quedorf The gun registry is totally relevant, since it is one of Canada's primary implements of gun control...that they have realized they should abandon.
@quedorf "Better laws"? There were already laws against bashing heads in with crow bars...the "anecdotal" evidence I gave that you dismissed. What other law would have stopped that guy from bashing my brains in? Because I can sure as hell tell you that a law against guns would have helped him do it, by disarming me.
@quedorf Guns ARE used to stop violence more often than they are used to cause it. Multiple studies show hundreds of thousands, if not millions of defensive gun uses, where the intended victim stopped the violent attack when the perpetrator discovered they were armed, in roughly 95% of the time.
Unless you think pointing a gun at an attacker and them turning and running away is violence, in which case, that's just a strange definition of violence.
@quedorf Yeah...What are the demographics of the other first world countries? Are there any trends? How about here in the US? Where are the areas of highest gun use in crimes? Any trends there?
@SARDiverDave Interesting point, is that if you look at most 1st world countries, when compared to the US, the non firearm intentional homicide rate is similar to other 1st world countries. But the firearm int hom rate for the US is many times that of the other countries. US 1.58-2.97.. Canada 1.04-0.54... etc...
@quedorf And you're assuming the non-firearm homicide rate here would remain the same if guns were somehow outlawed or disappeared. A poor assumption.
Everything bad that a criminal can do with a firearm is already illegal. thus further restrictions on the Right to Keep and Bear arms can only disarm those that are least inclined to disobey the law.
Me I love it. You guys are making the Brady Bunch, The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and other idiots, froth at the mouth at your insensitivity in doing this video and others who have done photos of they guns with candles. Which of course just make me fall out of my chair laughing at them frothing at the mouth. I think it's entirely possible some of those people are actually rabid. Keep your powder dry lads and lasses.
@SkrepnekYT Sorry you don't celebrate the right to defend yourself where you come from. Most of us prefer the law abiding victim to come out on top. The Brady Campaign and CSGV would prefer the criminal have a safe working environment.
It's the rest of the world that is bizarre in looking down upon those who protect themselves.
@SkrepnekYT Yes, we are very strange. We have people here that think that guns cause violence. And that by taking the guns away from law-abiding citizens, we will all be safer from criminals. I know, it is bizarre. Fortunately there are still some of us here willing to stand up for the rights that were given to us by our creator. Including the right to defend ourselves and our families from those that would hurt them. Maybe someday you will get those rights back wherever you live. Good luck!
As a victim of a highwayman who's M.O. was to shoot young men on motorcycles and rob them, I am highly offended by the whole candle vigil and the Brady bunch. I took a .32 slug through the lungs (thankfully, no exit wound) that missed my heart by about 1/4 inch. The robber was ordering me into his car to haul me off and dispose of me when a trucker came by and saved my life. I carry heat now and will not be defenseless. BRADY BUNCH == callous thugs.
@sceptreofjudah The Brady Campaign would you show you empty sympathy for the fact that you were a victim of gun violence, while at the same time would say "your still alive and that's what counts, and no way proves that a gun would have saved you." The vigils to light a candle are nothing more than ways for cowards that support the brady campaign to feel better about themselves.
Many liberal panties are getting twisted in a knot over this video. LOL!
MACA5982 1 day ago
I love this video!
ymp5000 1 month ago
Well done, wish we had any IDPA or IDPA style matches around here to add that as a stage. :)
armoredman 1 month ago
Nice of New Trajectory to give you some linkage. I wonder how many of "HIS" people saw this and changed their minds about being disarmed.
cargosquid 1 month ago
I own several guns, and have never caused violence. I don't know anyone who was killed by guns.
I know people killed by cars, we should make laws against cars.
ogarciaz14 1 month ago
hey, nice video. and you are right....candles do not stop violence!
nbanolfkid 1 month ago
Saw this in Calguns, great video!
thejmeister88 1 month ago
@Rossishooter lol!
ilovetippy667 1 month ago
if it's socioeconomic? don't you have to have money to buy a gun??
ilovetippy667 1 month ago
Obviously their guns do not stop violence either, as the US is one of the most violent first world societies on the planet.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Really, citation please. According to the "UNODC 2010, International Statistics on Crime and Justice" the US Murder rate is 5.22 per 100k and the international rate is 9.63 per 100k. The US is on the bottom of that curve by a large margin.
Besides Gun Control is a total failure: (See Brady Score vs UCR) and Gun ownership has no effect on crime (See: Graphics Matter from Linoge).
Facts are a bitch when someone actually tells you where they can be found.
pbtpu40 1 month ago 5
@pbtpu40 Did you notice I said first world country. Try comparing apples to apples. Your stats compare the US to the world including developing and third world countries with major socioeconomic issues, like Mexico, Somalia, etc. There is a reason I said first world countries.
Facts are a bitch when you do not look deeper into them.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf And obviously you didn't look into any of the facts I presented. Including those that just look at crime within the US. You also didn't state an actual statistical source for your information.
Facts are easy until you actually have to cite them. Cite your source.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 If you choose to look at your own source you will see it says exactly what I told you. The US has one of the worst violent crime rates of the first world countries. "UNODC 2010, International Statistics on Crime and Justice" Seems like as good a source to make my point as needed. Lets choose some random first world countries. US 5.. Canada 1.8.. Norway 0.6.. UK 1.2.. Australia 1.2... And so on.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf So is it the GUNS that have the biggest effect on the violent crime rates involving firearms, or the socioeconomic issues? The US has some unique socioeconomic issues of its own that contributes to its high violent crime rate compared to other "first world" countries, such as our centuries of racism and the war on drugs. There IS NO direct correlation between the number of available firearms and the violent crime rate involving firearms. Gun control also has had no proven effect.
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@orygunner1 Why do you CONSTANTLY have to bring up logic and fact? Geez.. - RevJim
RedDirtNews 1 month ago
@orygunner1 If you choose to read what I wrote, I said that "their guns do not stop violence..." I said no where that they were the only source of the problem. You made this strawman argument. Several people in this video made the direct claim that guns stop violence.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf I prevented someone from bashing my brains in with a crow bar by drawing a pistol. He lived, I lived. I would have settled for "I lived", but was glad we both did.
Stopped violence in my case.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@SARDiverDave You do realize that when one refers to not stopping violence, they do not mean personal anecdotes. They mean in the overall picture. There are always people who can claim a gun stopped a crime being committed against them, but that has to be weighed against the crimes that happened due to the availability of guns.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Yes it is personal. Period. My pistol has not gone out and caused a problem. I don't care if everyone else goes out and causes problems I haven't so leave me, my rights, and my property alone.
You're saying a violent crime isn't personal. Seems like it's pretty damn personal to the victim.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 When and where did I say anything like "a violent crime isn't personal"? I said personal anecdotes are not what someone is referring to when they say guns do not stop violence. It is a totally and completely different thing. Not even sure how you went from what I said to your little rant here. Anecdote means a short little story....
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Because the stories of violence are personal. You're saying that peoples personal anecdotes are inconsequential and worthless despite the fact they are equally impacted you ignorant dolt.
Since you don't live here, I have an idea, don't come and visit and just leave us with our freedom and liberty. Because I'd rather have the freedom and liberty to have a firearm and live without fear. Liberty and freedom have risk from those who might abuse it, doesn't mean it's not worth it.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 I said no where at all that personal anecdotes are inconsequential. That is only what the uneducated, or intellectually dishonest fool would take from that. Try learning english, and reading what is written before you jump to conclusions. And do not put words into people mouths, as that seems to be the only way people who know they are wrong can make a feeble attempt at saving face.
Lastly, the freedom card is a juvenile argument. The US is no more free than anywhere else.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf It's juvenile because I have a choice and you want to take that from me? Only someone with 0 respect for human rights would make a statement like that.
As any typical anti gunner you resort to calling me uneducated or intellectually dishonest. Here's the thing, I can see exactly what you wrote. You said that personal anecdotes don't count in stopping violence. I am here arguing for the individual while you are saying the individual doesn't matter.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 Anti gunner. What the hell is that. I own several firearms, and have extensive training in their use and handling. Perhaps have more experience with firearms than you. Read what has been written, and do not make stuff up.
I did not say the individual does not matter. I said that when saying firearms do not or do prevent violent crimes, personal anecdotes are not what they are referring to. If you cannot see the difference, then you ARE poorly educated.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf So in other words you're a Fudd. And now you're trying to pretend that being a gun owner some how provides you more credibility in the subject. You're all for gun control as long as it's not YOUR guns that are affected.
See now you've said that my only option is to agree with you or claim that I'm poorly educated. This is the sign of the weak argument instead of trying to properly and clearly explain his position through other verbiage.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 Here you go again. I did not say you had to agree with me. I said "if you cannot see the difference". It has nothing at all to do with agreeing.
And again, NO. I did not say anything about credibility. You called me a anti gunner, and I showed that unless the definition is different than I think, one who owns guns is not an anti gunner.
Lastly, yes I am for gun control, but not for gun bans. There is a difference. I follow all the gun laws.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Okay, this statement tells me I'm wasting my time with you.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@quedorf All that can be reliably provided are personal anecdotes, since, to my knowledge, there is no reliably collected statistic of crimes that are prevented by the use or display of a firearm. The possession of a gun does not drive someone to commit a crime, any more than possession of a camera drives one to manufacture pornography. Someone who is disposed to steal or kill or cause mayhem will do so with or without a gun.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@quedorf My parents firearms both stopped violence. Not a single shot was fired and the violence ceased.
So that firearm didn't stop violence?
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 It seems that maybe your country has a major problem with violence, as everyone I discuss with seems to have some sort of violence prevented by their gun. Why is the US so violent? Maybe with better laws and attitudes, this violence would not happen.
If you take all the violent crimes that have happened, and add to it the potential crimes that were prevented, from what I have read, the US has a very very major problem, yet no one want to fix it. Which in my mind is another problem.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Your solution to the problem is to disarm us to increase the victim pool. Yeah that's a solution right their. Let the strong control the weak.
I don't know where you're finding your numbers but their BS. FBI UCR and the CDC stats show that you're much more likely to die in a car wreck. Yet I don't hear you screaming to outlaw cars. Those stats also include justified uses of force by law enforcement and civilians.
Maybe ours looks higher because we actually report it.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 First. Where did I say disarm anyone?? Another case of trying to set up a strawman. Second, Why compare firearms to cars? That is ridiculous, and not even a reasonable comparison. Guns primary purpose is to kill. Nothing more. Yes people use them for targets, but it is not primary. Cars primary purpose is Transportation.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf No a guns primary purpose is not to kill. It is a tool, who's purpose is to sling a hunk of copper coated lead at high speed to a distance with accuracy. What the PERSON does with that TOOL is up to them.
I was on the WSU campus when a crazed man ran over 4 people with his car on purpose. No out cry from you about car violence. My gun didn't shoot those people yet here you want to take it from me.
It is the operator, not the tool that's the problem.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 I REPEAT. WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING YOUR GUN?? I AM INTRIGUED WHERE YOU READ THAT..... LET ME HELP YOU, I DID NOT. YOU ARE MAKING THIS UP
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf You only argued against the positive statement implying the negative. You portrayed that guns are the problem when they are anything but. People are the problem.
You stated that guns don't stop violence and that the US has an extremely high crime rate. That was an attempt to imply correlation and causation. The solution given your implied correlation, given you're taking the side of the CSGV and Brady Campaign in this case is to ban guns.
The whole GBC saw it the same way
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@quedorf A gun's primary purpose is determined by the user, not the manufacturer. It has no conscience or brain of its own.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@quedorf If you're wondering why I mean by report it. A good example is before a crime is reported to the statistics in the UK a conviction is required.
In the US all that is required is the suspicion of foul play.
*The UCR and CDC stats also include suicide as well. If someone wants to kill themselves they don't have to use a gun.
Stats lie, and you better examine what goes into making your statistics before you start arguing with them and remember correlation != causation.
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 I am not wondering what you meant. The Canadian Government has compiled the crime stats that are comparable between Canada and the US, and homicide and violent crimes are comparable between the two. (Feasibility Study on Crime Comparisons Between Canada and the United States)
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Yup and the gun registry worked so well they're getting rid of it. But before it goes they're using it to confiscate some weapons that some politicians feel look scary.
There was a list of caveats for the comparison. Only relatively comparable item is homicide, though you make the assumption the difference is entirely gun related without comparison to demographics. Even within the US that's a problem when comparing statistics. Correlation != causation
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 Gun registry?? No one mentioned the gun registry. Not even relevant.
I did not say the difference was entirely gun related. This is a continuing problem with you where you make up what you wanted me to have said, and perhaps hope that I will not catch it. No such luck. Anyone knows that guns is not the only problem. But it is one of the variables. And my original argument was that it is apparent that guns do not prevent violence. Nothing more.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf You mentioned Canada as your example to compare to the US. The Canadian registry is a failure.
You're statement that guns don't stop violence implies that we don't need guns. If you want to say it does neither you have to state both the positive and negative in the statement. Without doing so you imply that the opposite is true.
One question though, if guns don't stop violence, why do cops take one with them one someone is doing something violent?
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 The Canadian registry was not as much a failure as it was a political tool, and both sides of the argument poorly represented that. But I am not getting into it, because it is another debate.
Cops take guns to protect themselves from violence sine their job is occasionally to put themselves in harms way. But I have to stop this, because it is WAYYYY to late here, and I will regret this early in the morning when the kids get up. Thanks for the debate............
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf Cops take guns to stop violence being done to them or others. Just the same carry a gun to stop violence being done to myself or others. Where I live the average police response is 30minutes to an hour. Unarmed I'll spend the rest of my life waiting for someone else to bring their gun.
The fact is predators can use guns to cause violence. Just the same citizens can use a gun to stop violence, that's why cops carry them. If guns didn't stop violence, what good would they be?
pbtpu40 1 month ago
@pbtpu40 ........even if we did not really hash anything out.
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf I feel a need to respond to your comment to the effect that "personal anecdotes need to be weighed against the crimes commited because of the availability of firearms." That statement IMPLIES a mindset that firearms not "restricted from criminals" by "proper authority" (read Government) make crime worse. It also completely ignores the MASSIVE number of (mostly unreported) incidents where a drawn or even accidentally shown gun prevented violence from ever happening.
kennya90j 1 month ago
@quedorf The gun registry is totally relevant, since it is one of Canada's primary implements of gun control...that they have realized they should abandon.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@quedorf "Better laws"? There were already laws against bashing heads in with crow bars...the "anecdotal" evidence I gave that you dismissed. What other law would have stopped that guy from bashing my brains in? Because I can sure as hell tell you that a law against guns would have helped him do it, by disarming me.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@quedorf Guns ARE used to stop violence more often than they are used to cause it. Multiple studies show hundreds of thousands, if not millions of defensive gun uses, where the intended victim stopped the violent attack when the perpetrator discovered they were armed, in roughly 95% of the time.
Unless you think pointing a gun at an attacker and them turning and running away is violence, in which case, that's just a strange definition of violence.
orygunner1 1 month ago
@quedorf Yeah...What are the demographics of the other first world countries? Are there any trends? How about here in the US? Where are the areas of highest gun use in crimes? Any trends there?
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
@SARDiverDave Interesting point, is that if you look at most 1st world countries, when compared to the US, the non firearm intentional homicide rate is similar to other 1st world countries. But the firearm int hom rate for the US is many times that of the other countries. US 1.58-2.97.. Canada 1.04-0.54... etc...
quedorf 1 month ago
@quedorf And you're assuming the non-firearm homicide rate here would remain the same if guns were somehow outlawed or disappeared. A poor assumption.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
I FN LOVE BEING AMERICAN LOLOLOL
TheChillinCody 1 month ago
Got to love the Brady bunch, come one they don't care if you die violently just that you don't die violently from a gun. What fucktards.
LetsSeeHowStupidUR 1 month ago 5
Bwahahahahahhahahaha!!!! I love it.
As Jeff Cooper said, Evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
a38337 1 month ago 3
Don't bring a candle to a gunfight.
Rossishooter 1 month ago 4
OO buck shot does. Join the NRA.
guns4funca 1 month ago
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
The right to self-defense is a human right.
Everything bad that a criminal can do with a firearm is already illegal. thus further restrictions on the Right to Keep and Bear arms can only disarm those that are least inclined to disobey the law.
Petawatt 1 month ago
Me I love it. You guys are making the Brady Bunch, The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and other idiots, froth at the mouth at your insensitivity in doing this video and others who have done photos of they guns with candles. Which of course just make me fall out of my chair laughing at them frothing at the mouth. I think it's entirely possible some of those people are actually rabid. Keep your powder dry lads and lasses.
howlers8 1 month ago
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Only in America. Bizarre American behaviour. You Americans are strange.
SkrepnekYT 1 month ago
@SkrepnekYT You're welcome never to come here.
kpadmirer 1 month ago
@SkrepnekYT Sorry you don't celebrate the right to defend yourself where you come from. Most of us prefer the law abiding victim to come out on top. The Brady Campaign and CSGV would prefer the criminal have a safe working environment.
It's the rest of the world that is bizarre in looking down upon those who protect themselves.
pbtpu40 1 month ago 15
@SkrepnekYT Yes, we are very strange. We have people here that think that guns cause violence. And that by taking the guns away from law-abiding citizens, we will all be safer from criminals. I know, it is bizarre. Fortunately there are still some of us here willing to stand up for the rights that were given to us by our creator. Including the right to defend ourselves and our families from those that would hurt them. Maybe someday you will get those rights back wherever you live. Good luck!
bbbvvv312 1 month ago 4
Found this courtesy of the Smallest Minority blog. Well done.
copperdragon2009 1 month ago
candles don't stop violence, pea shooters do XD
pendyxave 1 month ago
So great!!!
denderwuz 1 month ago
Outstanding video. It says what the gun banners are afraid to hear.
TheStapleGunKid 1 month ago
Candles don't stop violence nor criminals but a flamethrower can. lol.
Shmeegol1 1 month ago
As a victim of a highwayman who's M.O. was to shoot young men on motorcycles and rob them, I am highly offended by the whole candle vigil and the Brady bunch. I took a .32 slug through the lungs (thankfully, no exit wound) that missed my heart by about 1/4 inch. The robber was ordering me into his car to haul me off and dispose of me when a trucker came by and saved my life. I carry heat now and will not be defenseless. BRADY BUNCH == callous thugs.
sceptreofjudah 1 month ago 3
@sceptreofjudah The Brady Campaign would you show you empty sympathy for the fact that you were a victim of gun violence, while at the same time would say "your still alive and that's what counts, and no way proves that a gun would have saved you." The vigils to light a candle are nothing more than ways for cowards that support the brady campaign to feel better about themselves.
gunmnrbl 1 month ago
Nicely done !!!
jcresanto 1 month ago
3:00 PM and 306 views. Haven't seen the Brady's post any video of their vigils yet but will be amazed if the get 1/3 of the views this video gets.
LCScotty 1 month ago
candles don't stop violence, hollow points do.
radradroadbot 1 month ago 26
@radradroadbot Or better yet +P hollow points.
ymp5000 1 month ago
Amen. Criminals are bullies. They would much rather you show them your candle and not an XD-40.
jrbing 1 month ago
Epic
DruidicRifleman 1 month ago
Great video.
robertsgunshop 1 month ago