Only way I can currently rationalize this w/o going conspiracy here, is that the aluminum from the planes mixing with steel (after being oxidized by fire) from buildings/planes could have somehow chemically reacted under the heat from the jet fuel (plus wind at those high floors) to form a "spontaneous" thermite reaction. Who knows. I go with Occam's Razor here, though: thermite/thermate was planted beforehand.
I'll never forget seeing this that day, and immediately thinking "Thermite, holy shit!" At the time, even thinking thermite, I was not thinking conspiracy.
The "joke" is clearly on anyone who can't explain what this metal is or how it became molten. If you're about to say something along the lines of; "it's aluminium from the plane mixed with debris" OR "it's lead from the UPS batteries" then good luck trying to find any evidence to back up those theories (HINT; there isn't any)
BTW this is the internet - and you're trolling it! so I'd suggest shoving your hypocritical words back up the dark hole they from which they came.
Black smoke appears from a low level of oxygen to the fire (an office fire at this point) White puffs off smoke and dust before molten the metal falls, points to possible aliminum oxide (a chemical result of thermite ignition).@ 1:24 top center, an intense billowing of white smoke from the end of the jutting beams. As the molten metal falls, a white dust cloud lofts upward. Again, possibly creating thermites' aluminum oxide dust as it completes it's slow burn. This seem to be thermite burnimg.
You will notice the intensely hot white smoke coming from this area, when compared to the low heat generating the majority of black smoke. Most of the jet fuel has been already burned off as indicated by the black smoke. This white smoke is the result of the high heat being generated by a thermatic reaction. The metal is molten steel (yellow) not aluminum (silver). Besides, there wasn't any fuel left to melt aluminum much less steel. This was caused by something other than jet fuel.
@FalseFlag369 molten aluminum does glow pretty brightly, not as bright as steel, of course, but you're mostly right here, in that in daylight, molten aluminum doesn't glow much. That is __bright__ melt. And a whole hell of a lot of it.
It is obviously NOT molten aluminium. Molten aluminium has a silver colour when poured in air. The iron spheres were present in dust samples collected on the day of 9/11, so they were not from clean-up blowtorches. It does NOT take a dumpster of thermite to cut a beam, that is just hysterical B/S from uninformed fools.
Re molten metal: if you look at the vid taken from the Marriott at the 19:53 mark, the corner molten metal looks silvery and could be aluminum. ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=kZi4o2OBLEI&feature=related I don't think we can eliminate the idea of the cameras, or the sunlight, or reflection from the fires, as possible contributors to what we perceive as an orangery color.
Anyone who is here in this comment section argueing in favour of the offiicial theories regarding 9/11 has has either got some serious problems with reality or is here to purposfully distract away from the very clearly seen and obvious FACT that molten steel or iron was pouring out of WTC2 prior to its collapse. This video is EVIDENCE of that fact!
No amount of argueing or bullshit can change this fact. The laws of physics mean steel or iron could not melt. You need a blast furnace for that!!
They were relying on the facade cladding to hide the thermitic burning and splatter.
In the areas where the cladding was bent and displaced we can see their shit at work.
The outer structure was perforated by these cuts so when the main core charge sequence was initiated, the outer structure would offer no resistance to a symmetrical take down.
@Daddyo930 really?same four NIST inspectors at OCB were at 9/11?I show people all the time the news footage of OCB were they indeed say there were secondary devices larger than the first found..so they want us to believe that Timothy gained access to a Federal building and planted them?What were the names of the inspectors?
hey, but wouldn't the thermite be used on the main pillars/foundations that suport the towers- and the main pillars are in the centre of the building - a whole bunch of them together. Because we can see the thermite falling from the edges of the building.
But yeh I saw photos of the foundations after the collapse which were cut at an angle - exactly the same as how they do it in demolitions, it wouldn't make sense to witness a cut so fine- it shud've buckled if there was fire failure!
How do we know it wasn't, can "you" see the middle sections of the building on this recording? lots of black smoke though, Also shown with people doing the same with back yard experiments. same signatures.
@NowKillYourself Whatever is, it is around 2500 degrees judging by its color, and it doesn't look like it cools very quickly which tells me that it is also very dense. It must be something sufficiently dense that it does not vaporize, which makes it likely that it is some kind of metal. Regardless of what metal it is, the temperature will always be represented by the color. So any metal that is light orange / almost white is around 2500F. So only this is certain: It is metal. It is 2500F.
wow I gotta say that is interesting. Do any of us know what that substance is? No of course we don't. We can only speculate. But damn that sure as hell is hard to pass off as molten aluminum melted from the fire. Can molten aluminum get hot enough to be that color? Yes of course it can. But what temperature does it need to be to be that color (light orange almost white in the center)? Around 2500 I think. MOST interesting to me: It looks like its not just pouring but being ejected.
very clearly ; molted steel pooring out of the broken window..it prooves the thermite reaction in the building..molten aluminium has a silver shine and cools more quickly than steel...
1) Presence of iron rich micro spheres, video evidence (watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE), and metallurgical samples show that steel was melted. Conventional fires do not burn hot enough to melt steel.
2) Nano thermite found in dust from WTC's; findings published in peer reviewed scientific journal (google scholar search: active thermitic materials).
3) In the government's own investigation of the anthrax attacks, the primary suspect worked for the US (before Ivins *suicided*).
I'm sure it has already been posted but .. I watched a video of a fellow who heated Al to 1800 degs (max temp of office fire) and poured it. It looked nothing like what is seen in this video. watch?v=30OVAvg1aGQ
a direct by product of thermite and steel is molten iron, dust samples taken from peoples ledges nearby showed chemical traces that almost perfectly resemble thermite.
as long as the people in power stay at their jobs.. no real investigation will be done.. when u have nothing to hide.. you have no problems with investigations going.
That room in the tower conatined a very large UPS (Uninterpretable Power Supply) for mantaining smooth power delivery during black/brown outs. These units use many batteries to store charge, and they are use lead-acid bateries due to their low internal resistance.
May I remind you of a big metal object, very well capable of melting, that crashed into the tower relatively short time before this video was filmed?
Why has'nt it occured to anyone that this might be AIRPLANEPARTS melting? It is very likely that aircraftparts would have ended up in this part of the building.
so there goes all the gold bullion its no fuckin wonder the construction workers never picked up solidified balls of steal to show the press, they became fuckin millionares instead
Molten aluminum my ass........that molten steel. Molten aluminum does NOT glow almost white like that. It stays pretty much silver and has a slight red glow to it. That 9-11 commission is a crock of shit.
There were several UPS (uninterruptible power supply) batteries, owned by Fuji Bank, on the 81st floor of WTC 2. The Batteries are highly flammable, and are made of lead. Lead CAN glow the way that the metal in this video does, and the batteries not only produced much electricity, which produced a thermal effect, but also highly flammable hydrogen.
Therefore, it is likely that the molten substance was molten lead from the batteries, not steel.
@techmosis That's dependent on temperature. All metals will glow red hot once they reach a certain temperature, steel just does it before/right as it melts so all molten steel in red hot. Other molten metals can glow once they reach this temperature too. Lead-acid batteries + fire is a recipe for high temperatures.
If you continue to heat up the metal, you'll reach a point where it's white hot too.
Molton metal becomes incandescent given enough heat and this is based on the heat content not the metal. Metal that's white hot cant be made from flames or heat sources that are cooler. White hot metal is about 4000 degrees and cant be made by external heat less than 4000 degrees. red to orange flames are only up to 2000 degrees. Thermite/thermate is the ONLY answer for flows of white hot metal ask any welder or metal caster.
Looks like molten steel to me. Aluminum is silver in color when molten. And they shipped all of the steel away under armed guard and sold it as scrap to Asia as soon as possible. Obviously America is run by sick minded individuals.
Interesting how the molten steel is coming frome the exact place they would need to cut a beam in order to initiate collapse. I'm thinking not much thermite was used...it was only used to start the collapse...then after that conventional explosives were used just like a typical demo. The reason for this is simple; They couldn't have loud explosions to start the demo, but after the collapse began the explosions were camaflauged by the dust and sound of the building falling.
@MiaRyanne Actually, in order to achieve the collapses that we saw, they would have needed nano-thermite (patented by the US Navy incidentally) all around the perimeter on practically every floor.
No wonder people like Scott Forbes who worked in the towers complained about workmen coming and going and loud construction sounds in the months before 9/11. The perpetrators were rigging the whole place with nano-thermite...
Well actually in close footages you can hear very loud noise what seems like thousands of small explosions going on at the same time and you really cant distinguish 1 explosion.It just sounds big rawr noise.
@MiaRyanne Sorry what did you mean by: Interesting how the molten steel is coming frome the exact place they would need to cut a beam in order to initiate collapse
aaauuuuggg i hate seeing this video and knowing these crooks liars and thieves. not to mention murders are still free and our own govt,has helped keep the guilty free.@! eeeeeeee
Stop trying to prove or disprove the physics of melting steel, that gets you nowhere.
Do some real homework... Find out what tenant was in that part of the building prior to the attack, if it was even occupied at all. Follow THAT trail.
for those of you who think it is aluminum, you can go see for yourself that melted aluminum does not have the burning orange color to it while it is dripping.
The only people claiming they have nano-thermite recovered from the dust have nothing to gain by saying so, and are in fact receiving heavy scrutiny as would be expected. I don't see a reason for them to lie. I see very good reason for the Govt. to lie instead, and evidently, they are clearly ignoring (not even commenting on) specific evidence.
These red chips found in the dust and have been mentioned by many reputable scientists are extremely advanced technology. This can't be made in a cave or even by the scientists who found it.
Evidence has been shrugged off by NIST, a Govt. organization hired to investigate. They ignore this because Nano-Thermite was not found at the scene by USGS, a scientific government agency.
The only people denying Nano-Thermite are owned and funded by the Govt.
Thermite is not an explosive and is not used in controlled demolitions...go find someone that does controlled demolitions and ask him how many buildings he's brought down with thermite this year, and he'll probably laugh
CrazyRay - we aren't talking about thermite (which isn't an explosive) we're talking about nano-thermite, as patented by Raytheon, the US defence contractors. The undetonated nanothermite found in the WTC dust is still active, meaning it can be ignited, or exploded in the lab. Facts you would know if you had either watched the interview with Professor Harrit or read their peer reviewed paper. Why imply that the subject is thermite when we're talking about cutting edge military nanothermite?
Nanothermite is not an explosive either...and no thermite of any kind was found at the WTC
Bentham (where the "peer reviewed") is relative to peer-reviewed science as a diploma mill is to education...so you either know that and are purposely putting out misleading information...or...you didn't even check the credibility of Bentham, making your claim a likely parroting act from a conspiracy theory video/website...which is it?
...and I'm talking about ANY thermite, thermate, etc....any substance consisting of iron and aluminum mixed with sulfur/etc. meant to bond/weld, cut, and/or melt metals
It says as an ADDITIVE to explosives...it is a FACT that thermite does not explode, it is used to bond/weld, cut, and/or melt metals
Truthers claim to hear and see explosions from explosive devices...and they call it a controlled demolition, they say that thermite was used to bring the towers down...too bad thermite is not an explosive...
Exactly Thermate is an additive. It needs explosive to react. But using thermate would require smaller explosions and make less noise. Perfect cover up material. Although it showed its face in this video. GUILTY!!
Wow, you're really reaching...LOL at the notion of you thinking that there's a "secret recipe" that people who do controlled demolitions are keeping secret...shows how desperate you Truthers are
A controlled demolition is always done with TNT, nothing else...end of story
all truthers are saying to put the hypothesis to the test. But instead the government completely ignores any evidence. They stick like super glue to their hypothesis which as they put it themselves "has a very low probability." I would tell you to do some reasearch on thermite, thermate, and any kind of thermite but I know you are just here to troll so, proceed with the babbling.
@CrazyRay7979 nanomaterials have a lot of surface area, which means a lot of reactivity. This means characteristics are different. Look for "quantum sphere nanotechnology" or something similar on YouTube for a nice demonstration of how things behave differently. Nanothermite is a reality. It's an explosive.
Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
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@iBlindGame That nano-thermite paper is a load of crap. It's paint chips containing kaolinite, iron oxide and zinc chromate, along with some other materials you tend to find in paints. The presence of zinc chromate is a dead fucking giveaway that these are regular paint chips.
Also these chips have way too high an energy density to be causing thermitic reactions. And no, don't tell me nano-thermite is different, it would only speed up the rate of reaction not increase the energy density.
@cincofone PAINT DOES NOT EXPLODE. PERIOD. What was seen in the calorimetry was a highly energetic material that had explosive properties. Even gasoline does not explode. It burns.
@152czar If you get anything in a small enough chunk with high surface area to volume ratio (like a paint chip) a lot of things will "explode". Many metals will become explosively reactive when they are fine enough, as will many organic materials. It wasn't even that energetic a material though, diesel is far more energy-dense for example.
@152czar These materials aren't even really on what I would call nanoscale, they're barely below the micrometer mark in dimension.
The aluminosilicate layer present in those chips does form naturally, and at those dimensions too. It's called kaolinite - it's structure is unmistakable.
@152czar Because most metal is not in tiny little chips. If you try to buy metal shavings of a reactive metal or pretty much any powdered metal, there will be safety warnings accompanying them.
@iBlindGame And if Harrit wanted to test for thermitic reactions he should have done the energy density test in an inert atmosphere such as argon, as thermite will ignite in these conditions, but instead he did it in the atmosphere where any old crap can burn. If he re-ran this test as I describe he'd have a LOT more credibility, but his oversight of this is very telling.
@cincofone Actually, they characterized the material using nearly identical methods used by other groups to characterize nano thermite (i.e. the groups that invented the stuff).
Putting it in an inert atmosphere would have made it slightly more certain, but not by much. The point is that the material EXPLODED.
So now you're saying that it was thermite and an explosive mixed together??? So where are the traces of that explosive? There should be explosive residue all over the place, but nobody found any, so that rules out an explosive
This thermite BS is not holding ground, yet you fail to see that...you apparently have no idea what thermite is or what it is used for...which is why you had to copy and paste that post on thermite.
CrazyRay - What was found was Nano-Thermite. After researching Nano-Thermite I found out it can be up to 1000 times stronger, and used to create military grade Thermobaric weapons in which they started research on in 1993 and can be used for very concentrated explosives. Ask anyone who does controlled demolitions about this, and they will laugh at you, because they probably haven't heard of it before.
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Yeah there were, but there were no proportional byproducts afterwards. There was a ton of sulfur, but the amount of sulfur there was was impossible to have come from even thousands of pounds of thermite
debunkers dont seem to have a clue to what chemistry is all about. does that tell anyone anything? any college kids out there taking chemistry wanna do the math? or would you rather just go with the flow, sign up and ship out? maybe some basic physics usually introduced with basic algebra? i was rusty when i did, it took me a whole 5 minutes (or less) and i havent touched math for ten years.
and claiming to "know" what it is based on this 'evidence' doesnt help establish your scientific credibilty, hurting your chances for people to listen to your theories.
they just blow it off as "Oh, another truther" and they dont hear anything after that
the point is that there's to much that it could be with what little evidence there is (a handfull of videos taken from miles away). even if you tested everything that could possibly be there, it would be impossible to re-create the conditions inside the buildings. we dont know what was burning or what sort of wind conditions there were up there (ever blown on a flame to make it hotter?) and millions of other factors that could be the straw breaking the camel's back
An atmospheric fire is working under very defined limits. It cannot get "hotter and hotter" it doesn't work that way. Fuel is either mixed perfectly or it isn't.
Proof is something we reserve for math. In an investigation we speak of theories and supporting evidence .. and this video is a fine piece of evidence indeed.
And as for the material itself I can only reply that burning office supplies do not turn into streams and chunks of what can only be described as lava of some sort. By the colouring alone I would say the substance has reached temperatures in excess of 2500 fahrenheit.
Fire can go to about 1500, but only if the fuel is mixed pefectly.
based on what, do you estimate it getting that hot? you dont know what it is so dont know the temps it takes to get to those colors. you dont know what it is at all so cant say how likely it is that something like that would be in an office.
thats the problem with the truthers, they dont let little things like reality or science get in the way.
you dont want proof or truth, just things that support your already formed conclusion.
and even with ALL of that observation you just did it still doesnt say WHAT it is, just that there's alot of SOMETHING that doesnt appear to cool and it looks like it's hot.
That's my point really. You don't seem to think very much. For example we can try a process of elimation. Office supplies People Aluminium Steel Concrete Office supplies Funiture Jetfuel On this list of materials only steel has the sufficient properties to achieve a state of molten lava, and a smoking, obviously oxygen starved fire, cannot heat anything to a state a lava. Even it isn't steel it doesn't really matter. Now, did you REALLY need me to explain that to you?
now you're only guessing. you dont KNOW that that was all there was.like i've been saying the WHOLE time, you're guessing and assuming.
neither of which are evidence and neither would stand up in court, which is why the contradicting "truther" theories go nowhere and are nothing but a conspiracy theory.
if there was actual evidence and credible theories there would be a trial and an investigation. but since there isnt any, we get internet experts guessing and assuming and calling that truth.
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Only way I can currently rationalize this w/o going conspiracy here, is that the aluminum from the planes mixing with steel (after being oxidized by fire) from buildings/planes could have somehow chemically reacted under the heat from the jet fuel (plus wind at those high floors) to form a "spontaneous" thermite reaction. Who knows. I go with Occam's Razor here, though: thermite/thermate was planted beforehand.
steidl001 2 weeks ago
I'll never forget seeing this that day, and immediately thinking "Thermite, holy shit!" At the time, even thinking thermite, I was not thinking conspiracy.
steidl001 2 weeks ago
The "joke" is clearly on anyone who can't explain what this metal is or how it became molten. If you're about to say something along the lines of; "it's aluminium from the plane mixed with debris" OR "it's lead from the UPS batteries" then good luck trying to find any evidence to back up those theories (HINT; there isn't any)
BTW this is the internet - and you're trolling it! so I'd suggest shoving your hypocritical words back up the dark hole they from which they came.
ShillBasher 2 weeks ago
To think that nothing of molten steel was mentioned!! this is the real evidence right here
MrSilver69s 1 month ago
Black smoke appears from a low level of oxygen to the fire (an office fire at this point) White puffs off smoke and dust before molten the metal falls, points to possible aliminum oxide (a chemical result of thermite ignition).@ 1:24 top center, an intense billowing of white smoke from the end of the jutting beams. As the molten metal falls, a white dust cloud lofts upward. Again, possibly creating thermites' aluminum oxide dust as it completes it's slow burn. This seem to be thermite burnimg.
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davidmas0 3 months ago
You will notice the intensely hot white smoke coming from this area, when compared to the low heat generating the majority of black smoke. Most of the jet fuel has been already burned off as indicated by the black smoke. This white smoke is the result of the high heat being generated by a thermatic reaction. The metal is molten steel (yellow) not aluminum (silver). Besides, there wasn't any fuel left to melt aluminum much less steel. This was caused by something other than jet fuel.
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@FalseFlag369 molten aluminum does glow pretty brightly, not as bright as steel, of course, but you're mostly right here, in that in daylight, molten aluminum doesn't glow much. That is __bright__ melt. And a whole hell of a lot of it.
steidl001 2 weeks ago
It is obviously NOT molten aluminium. Molten aluminium has a silver colour when poured in air. The iron spheres were present in dust samples collected on the day of 9/11, so they were not from clean-up blowtorches. It does NOT take a dumpster of thermite to cut a beam, that is just hysterical B/S from uninformed fools.
Research 9/11 and inform yourself.
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Re molten metal: if you look at the vid taken from the Marriott at the 19:53 mark, the corner molten metal looks silvery and could be aluminum. ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=kZi4o2OBLEI&feature=related I don't think we can eliminate the idea of the cameras, or the sunlight, or reflection from the fires, as possible contributors to what we perceive as an orangery color.
FirstUsedBooks 4 months ago in playlist WTC2 molten iron dripping
Anyone who is here in this comment section argueing in favour of the offiicial theories regarding 9/11 has has either got some serious problems with reality or is here to purposfully distract away from the very clearly seen and obvious FACT that molten steel or iron was pouring out of WTC2 prior to its collapse. This video is EVIDENCE of that fact!
No amount of argueing or bullshit can change this fact. The laws of physics mean steel or iron could not melt. You need a blast furnace for that!!
ShillBasher 4 months ago
@sh9683 one of the stupidest i should say
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zlinn71 4 months ago
They were relying on the facade cladding to hide the thermitic burning and splatter.
In the areas where the cladding was bent and displaced we can see their shit at work.
The outer structure was perforated by these cuts so when the main core charge sequence was initiated, the outer structure would offer no resistance to a symmetrical take down.
motonegros 4 months ago
they-had-thermite-on-that-foor-to-weaken-it-big-time.The-other-floors-were-just-blown-apart-with-cutter-charges-and-every-single-engineer-architect-and-demolition-companies,but-the-demolition-companies-won't-say-shit-about-9/11.
They've-probably-told-the-employees-not-to-say-shit.Becuase-they-don't-want-the-heat-on-their-ass.
tubeyou9878 5 months ago
@Daddyo930 really?same four NIST inspectors at OCB were at 9/11?I show people all the time the news footage of OCB were they indeed say there were secondary devices larger than the first found..so they want us to believe that Timothy gained access to a Federal building and planted them?What were the names of the inspectors?
alecboi84 5 months ago
@davidmas0 well put
alecboi84 5 months ago
hey, but wouldn't the thermite be used on the main pillars/foundations that suport the towers- and the main pillars are in the centre of the building - a whole bunch of them together. Because we can see the thermite falling from the edges of the building.
But yeh I saw photos of the foundations after the collapse which were cut at an angle - exactly the same as how they do it in demolitions, it wouldn't make sense to witness a cut so fine- it shud've buckled if there was fire failure!
bungie1209 5 months ago
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How do we know it wasn't, can "you" see the middle sections of the building on this recording? lots of black smoke though, Also shown with people doing the same with back yard experiments. same signatures.
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megamogx 5 months ago
@davidmas0
You are 100% correct. Your thoughts match with mine perfectly.
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XxRushx 6 months ago
@vengencefrom1979 when metal melts and turns into a liquid it drips just like how icicles drip when it gets hot
Tomsonx232 6 months ago
Brilliant camerawork. Absolutely pivotal evidence for the debate of controlled demolition.
TMusic5 7 months ago
@NowKillYourself Whatever is, it is around 2500 degrees judging by its color, and it doesn't look like it cools very quickly which tells me that it is also very dense. It must be something sufficiently dense that it does not vaporize, which makes it likely that it is some kind of metal. Regardless of what metal it is, the temperature will always be represented by the color. So any metal that is light orange / almost white is around 2500F. So only this is certain: It is metal. It is 2500F.
szymczak34 7 months ago
wow I gotta say that is interesting. Do any of us know what that substance is? No of course we don't. We can only speculate. But damn that sure as hell is hard to pass off as molten aluminum melted from the fire. Can molten aluminum get hot enough to be that color? Yes of course it can. But what temperature does it need to be to be that color (light orange almost white in the center)? Around 2500 I think. MOST interesting to me: It looks like its not just pouring but being ejected.
szymczak34 9 months ago
very clearly ; molted steel pooring out of the broken window..it prooves the thermite reaction in the building..molten aluminium has a silver shine and cools more quickly than steel...
oegromov 9 months ago
And still the general public thinks "jet fuel" melt the entire structure of a building.
kkev1n 9 months ago
@kkev1n Yeah, I think it's a bit crazy how little the average person knows or even seems to care about 9/11
NDfan369 9 months ago
it tells you alot when they wont investigate it, they are scared we will find there dark secret.
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1) Presence of iron rich micro spheres, video evidence (watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE), and metallurgical samples show that steel was melted. Conventional fires do not burn hot enough to melt steel.
2) Nano thermite found in dust from WTC's; findings published in peer reviewed scientific journal (google scholar search: active thermitic materials).
3) In the government's own investigation of the anthrax attacks, the primary suspect worked for the US (before Ivins *suicided*).
4) Investigate 911! Thumbs up!
152czar 9 months ago
I'm sure it has already been posted but .. I watched a video of a fellow who heated Al to 1800 degs (max temp of office fire) and poured it. It looked nothing like what is seen in this video. watch?v=30OVAvg1aGQ
dapperdan623 9 months ago
watch?v=LG6i6WBHM3U
josh71111 9 months ago
a direct by product of thermite and steel is molten iron, dust samples taken from peoples ledges nearby showed chemical traces that almost perfectly resemble thermite.
josh71111 9 months ago
as long as the people in power stay at their jobs.. no real investigation will be done.. when u have nothing to hide.. you have no problems with investigations going.
Vann7 9 months ago
That room in the tower conatined a very large UPS (Uninterpretable Power Supply) for mantaining smooth power delivery during black/brown outs. These units use many batteries to store charge, and they are use lead-acid bateries due to their low internal resistance.
It's very easy to turn lead into molten lead.
cincofone 9 months ago
May I remind you of a big metal object, very well capable of melting, that crashed into the tower relatively short time before this video was filmed?
Why has'nt it occured to anyone that this might be AIRPLANEPARTS melting? It is very likely that aircraftparts would have ended up in this part of the building.
jll2904 10 months ago
so there goes all the gold bullion its no fuckin wonder the construction workers never picked up solidified balls of steal to show the press, they became fuckin millionares instead
datzfast 10 months ago
Molten aluminum my ass........that molten steel. Molten aluminum does NOT glow almost white like that. It stays pretty much silver and has a slight red glow to it. That 9-11 commission is a crock of shit.
jlsmsu12 10 months ago
Attention everybody:
There were several UPS (uninterruptible power supply) batteries, owned by Fuji Bank, on the 81st floor of WTC 2. The Batteries are highly flammable, and are made of lead. Lead CAN glow the way that the metal in this video does, and the batteries not only produced much electricity, which produced a thermal effect, but also highly flammable hydrogen.
Therefore, it is likely that the molten substance was molten lead from the batteries, not steel.
(links on my page)
burninrain1 1 year ago
@burninrain1
Too bad that's not true. Molten lead again, like aluminum, is SILVER colored when molten.
techmosis 1 year ago
@techmosis That's dependent on temperature. All metals will glow red hot once they reach a certain temperature, steel just does it before/right as it melts so all molten steel in red hot. Other molten metals can glow once they reach this temperature too. Lead-acid batteries + fire is a recipe for high temperatures.
If you continue to heat up the metal, you'll reach a point where it's white hot too.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
absoloute proof of thermite in WTC.
how anyone still believes this was 'the terrorists', I do not know, the stupidity of people is astounding.
SyndicalistTimes 1 year ago
Nanothermit wurde ja im WTC-Staub nachgewiesen.
Das war ganz klar ein Inside Job!
Die US-Regierung tötet ihre eigenen Bürger aus geopolitischen und wirtschaftlichen Gründen.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
/watch?v=9rGDETyRilw military grade c4 found in ny
bangitrw 1 year ago
there was also whit smoke coming up from the base of the tower when this happened. and then the whole thing came down ~80-40 seconds later.
coincidence ^-^
HumanityWins 1 year ago
Thermite melts steel like butter.
schratboy 1 year ago
Molten metal, yes. Molten steel, or iron? Insufficient data from video to say.
attilashrugs 1 year ago
@attilashrugs
well it sure isn't aluminium, as molten aluminium appears silver, not glowing. It looks more like mercury looks at room temperature.
As for iron? Definately not iron, as iron is not used in planes or these buildings, since steel is way more durable.
SyndicalistTimes 1 year ago
@SyndicalistTimes
Molton metal becomes incandescent given enough heat and this is based on the heat content not the metal. Metal that's white hot cant be made from flames or heat sources that are cooler. White hot metal is about 4000 degrees and cant be made by external heat less than 4000 degrees. red to orange flames are only up to 2000 degrees. Thermite/thermate is the ONLY answer for flows of white hot metal ask any welder or metal caster.
morttodd 1 year ago
@morttodd
I'm well aware of that.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
Looks like molten steel to me. Aluminum is silver in color when molten. And they shipped all of the steel away under armed guard and sold it as scrap to Asia as soon as possible. Obviously America is run by sick minded individuals.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
Interesting how the molten steel is coming frome the exact place they would need to cut a beam in order to initiate collapse. I'm thinking not much thermite was used...it was only used to start the collapse...then after that conventional explosives were used just like a typical demo. The reason for this is simple; They couldn't have loud explosions to start the demo, but after the collapse began the explosions were camaflauged by the dust and sound of the building falling.
MiaRyanne 1 year ago
@MiaRyanne Actually, in order to achieve the collapses that we saw, they would have needed nano-thermite (patented by the US Navy incidentally) all around the perimeter on practically every floor.
No wonder people like Scott Forbes who worked in the towers complained about workmen coming and going and loud construction sounds in the months before 9/11. The perpetrators were rigging the whole place with nano-thermite...
560e 1 year ago
@MiaRyanne
Well actually in close footages you can hear very loud noise what seems like thousands of small explosions going on at the same time and you really cant distinguish 1 explosion.It just sounds big rawr noise.
Matu1 1 year ago
@MiaRyanne
I agree with that conclusion 100%.
It's nice to know that there are other people who share the same views.
Good work : )
ShillBasher 1 year ago
@MiaRyanne Sorry what did you mean by: Interesting how the molten steel is coming frome the exact place they would need to cut a beam in order to initiate collapse
dxvxvx 1 year ago
email this to John Gross at NIST! Email this to John Gross! agency: NIST email: john.gross (at) nist.gov
Bandticker 1 year ago
aaauuuuggg i hate seeing this video and knowing these crooks liars and thieves. not to mention murders are still free and our own govt,has helped keep the guilty free.@! eeeeeeee
witecracker2 1 year ago
Stop trying to prove or disprove the physics of melting steel, that gets you nowhere.
Do some real homework... Find out what tenant was in that part of the building prior to the attack, if it was even occupied at all. Follow THAT trail.
Akcd11r2002 1 year ago
That's thermate!
phlashba 1 year ago
for those of you who think it is aluminum, you can go see for yourself that melted aluminum does not have the burning orange color to it while it is dripping.
DictatorBooby 1 year ago
wathcing this just makes me sad. How could they do this
Origin305 1 year ago
The only people claiming they have nano-thermite recovered from the dust have nothing to gain by saying so, and are in fact receiving heavy scrutiny as would be expected. I don't see a reason for them to lie. I see very good reason for the Govt. to lie instead, and evidently, they are clearly ignoring (not even commenting on) specific evidence.
ViperXXXXXXX 2 years ago 9
These red chips found in the dust and have been mentioned by many reputable scientists are extremely advanced technology. This can't be made in a cave or even by the scientists who found it.
Evidence has been shrugged off by NIST, a Govt. organization hired to investigate. They ignore this because Nano-Thermite was not found at the scene by USGS, a scientific government agency.
The only people denying Nano-Thermite are owned and funded by the Govt.
ViperXXXXXXX 2 years ago 5
undetonated explosives found in WTC dust. Kind of pisses on a few truth deniers' fires on this thread, doesn't it?
watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
whisperycat 2 years ago 2
Thermite is not an explosive and is not used in controlled demolitions...go find someone that does controlled demolitions and ask him how many buildings he's brought down with thermite this year, and he'll probably laugh
CrazyRay7979 2 years ago
CrazyRay - we aren't talking about thermite (which isn't an explosive) we're talking about nano-thermite, as patented by Raytheon, the US defence contractors. The undetonated nanothermite found in the WTC dust is still active, meaning it can be ignited, or exploded in the lab. Facts you would know if you had either watched the interview with Professor Harrit or read their peer reviewed paper. Why imply that the subject is thermite when we're talking about cutting edge military nanothermite?
whisperycat 2 years ago
Nanothermite is not an explosive either...and no thermite of any kind was found at the WTC
Bentham (where the "peer reviewed") is relative to peer-reviewed science as a diploma mill is to education...so you either know that and are purposely putting out misleading information...or...you didn't even check the credibility of Bentham, making your claim a likely parroting act from a conspiracy theory video/website...which is it?
CrazyRay7979 2 years ago
@CrazyRay7979
dimwit
Origin305 1 year ago
...and I'm talking about ANY thermite, thermate, etc....any substance consisting of iron and aluminum mixed with sulfur/etc. meant to bond/weld, cut, and/or melt metals
CrazyRay7979 2 years ago
Patent description -
PRS Date: 1997/07/22
PRS Code: AS02
EFFECTIVE DATE: 1996/07/15
Abstract of US5885321
Fine aluminum powders are prepared by decomposing alane-adducts in organic
solvents under an inert atmosphere to provide highly uniform particles selectably
sized from about 65 nm to about 500 nm and believed particularly effective as fuels
and additives, in pyrotechnics, and in energetic materials including composites, superthermite, and other explosives.
---- explosives? Imagine that!
whisperycat 2 years ago
@whisperycat
It says as an ADDITIVE to explosives...it is a FACT that thermite does not explode, it is used to bond/weld, cut, and/or melt metals
Truthers claim to hear and see explosions from explosive devices...and they call it a controlled demolition, they say that thermite was used to bring the towers down...too bad thermite is not an explosive...
CrazyRay7979 2 years ago
@CrazyRay7979
Exactly Thermate is an additive. It needs explosive to react. But using thermate would require smaller explosions and make less noise. Perfect cover up material. Although it showed its face in this video. GUILTY!!
Origin305 1 year ago
@Origin305
Wow, you're really reaching...LOL at the notion of you thinking that there's a "secret recipe" that people who do controlled demolitions are keeping secret...shows how desperate you Truthers are
A controlled demolition is always done with TNT, nothing else...end of story
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979
all truthers are saying to put the hypothesis to the test. But instead the government completely ignores any evidence. They stick like super glue to their hypothesis which as they put it themselves "has a very low probability." I would tell you to do some reasearch on thermite, thermate, and any kind of thermite but I know you are just here to troll so, proceed with the babbling.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
@CrazyRay7979 nanomaterials have a lot of surface area, which means a lot of reactivity. This means characteristics are different. Look for "quantum sphere nanotechnology" or something similar on YouTube for a nice demonstration of how things behave differently. Nanothermite is a reality. It's an explosive.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
@iBlindGame That nano-thermite paper is a load of crap. It's paint chips containing kaolinite, iron oxide and zinc chromate, along with some other materials you tend to find in paints. The presence of zinc chromate is a dead fucking giveaway that these are regular paint chips.
Also these chips have way too high an energy density to be causing thermitic reactions. And no, don't tell me nano-thermite is different, it would only speed up the rate of reaction not increase the energy density.
cincofone 9 months ago
@cincofone PAINT DOES NOT EXPLODE. PERIOD. What was seen in the calorimetry was a highly energetic material that had explosive properties. Even gasoline does not explode. It burns.
152czar 9 months ago
@152czar If you get anything in a small enough chunk with high surface area to volume ratio (like a paint chip) a lot of things will "explode". Many metals will become explosively reactive when they are fine enough, as will many organic materials. It wasn't even that energetic a material though, diesel is far more energy-dense for example.
cincofone 9 months ago
@cincofone Yeah but the point is that IT IS VERY HARD TO CREATE NANOMATERIALS. In other words, nano materials DO NOT FORM SPONTANEOUSLY.
152czar 9 months ago
@152czar These materials aren't even really on what I would call nanoscale, they're barely below the micrometer mark in dimension.
The aluminosilicate layer present in those chips does form naturally, and at those dimensions too. It's called kaolinite - it's structure is unmistakable.
cincofone 9 months ago
@cincofone The iron oxide and aluminum particles are on the scale of nanometers, not micrometers. read the article dumbass.
152czar 9 months ago
@cincofone There is a reason most metal is not considered a safety hazard.
152czar 9 months ago
@152czar Because most metal is not in tiny little chips. If you try to buy metal shavings of a reactive metal or pretty much any powdered metal, there will be safety warnings accompanying them.
cincofone 9 months ago
@iBlindGame And if Harrit wanted to test for thermitic reactions he should have done the energy density test in an inert atmosphere such as argon, as thermite will ignite in these conditions, but instead he did it in the atmosphere where any old crap can burn. If he re-ran this test as I describe he'd have a LOT more credibility, but his oversight of this is very telling.
cincofone 9 months ago
@cincofone Actually, they characterized the material using nearly identical methods used by other groups to characterize nano thermite (i.e. the groups that invented the stuff).
Putting it in an inert atmosphere would have made it slightly more certain, but not by much. The point is that the material EXPLODED.
Read the science, dumbass.
152czar 9 months ago
So now you're saying that it was thermite and an explosive mixed together??? So where are the traces of that explosive? There should be explosive residue all over the place, but nobody found any, so that rules out an explosive
This thermite BS is not holding ground, yet you fail to see that...you apparently have no idea what thermite is or what it is used for...which is why you had to copy and paste that post on thermite.
CrazyRay7979 2 years ago
CrazyRay - What was found was Nano-Thermite. After researching Nano-Thermite I found out it can be up to 1000 times stronger, and used to create military grade Thermobaric weapons in which they started research on in 1993 and can be used for very concentrated explosives. Ask anyone who does controlled demolitions about this, and they will laugh at you, because they probably haven't heard of it before.
ViperXXXXXXX 2 years ago
@CrazyRay7979 Tom Sullivan - Explosives Loader, former CDI employee on what happened at the WTC on 9/11:
watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg
watch?v=14-PHDS5h0g
In contrast, here's NIST's lead investigator, Sunder, on what Controlled Demolition Looks Like: watch?v=4ZrcDTjkIhI
iBlindGame 11 months ago
Look, its coming from the area above the window, it must have been concealed above the tiles in the suspended ceiling
motonegros 2 years ago
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Drywall and aluminum create a reaction very similar to thermate. That is what this is
There was also no byproducts of thermate to be found afterwards.
GoodThingIKnowBrian 2 years ago
Yes there were, see "Active Thermitic Material found in Dust of 9/11 WTC Catastrophe" in the Open Chemical Physics Journal
Hrothulf19 2 years ago 26
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Yeah there were, but there were no proportional byproducts afterwards. There was a ton of sulfur, but the amount of sulfur there was was impossible to have come from even thousands of pounds of thermite
GoodThingIKnowBrian 2 years ago
Err, I think you are talking about an earlier report? This latest one finds the thermite itself!
Hrothulf19 2 years ago 3
Yes, that website is published before they found the actual thermite in the dust...sarch "Active Thermitic" on google, click 2nd link :(.
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iBlindGame 11 months ago
debunkers dont seem to have a clue to what chemistry is all about. does that tell anyone anything? any college kids out there taking chemistry wanna do the math? or would you rather just go with the flow, sign up and ship out? maybe some basic physics usually introduced with basic algebra? i was rusty when i did, it took me a whole 5 minutes (or less) and i havent touched math for ten years.
vengencefrom1979 2 years ago
and claiming to "know" what it is based on this 'evidence' doesnt help establish your scientific credibilty, hurting your chances for people to listen to your theories.
they just blow it off as "Oh, another truther" and they dont hear anything after that
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
Nice rant. But nothing on your list turn into molten lava under any circumstances.
I'll ask again, how can fire create lava?
mGoLos 2 years ago 3
the point is that there's to much that it could be with what little evidence there is (a handfull of videos taken from miles away). even if you tested everything that could possibly be there, it would be impossible to re-create the conditions inside the buildings. we dont know what was burning or what sort of wind conditions there were up there (ever blown on a flame to make it hotter?) and millions of other factors that could be the straw breaking the camel's back
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
An atmospheric fire is working under very defined limits. It cannot get "hotter and hotter" it doesn't work that way. Fuel is either mixed perfectly or it isn't.
mGoLos 2 years ago 3
well, since i wouldnt even begin to guess what it is, we could continue listing things found in offices that could have been there ;)
wiring (probably copper) and it's conduits (probably aluminum)
construction materials (like aluminum drywall studs, screws, telco rooms (a lot of copper aluminum etc) and bldging wiring
plumbing (probably copper and steel?)
carpeting and upholstery and its hardware
office equip (computers, copiers, chairs, those, staplers)
but then what kind of offices were there?
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
thats cool how you can be absolutely sure what something is by a grainy video taken from miles away.
fail conspiracy fails
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
The video is not grainy. Your PC must suck or something.
mGoLos 2 years ago 3
it sure as hell isnt clear or definitive.
i see sparks. thats not exactly 'proof'
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
Seems very clear to me. Especially pressing the HQ button.
If you compare for size those sparks becomes chunks and streams.
mGoLos 2 years ago 2
true, but streams of WHAT?
the video doesnt say and is not good enough to determine. You dont know what's inside the window, where its coming from, what it is, etc.
you guess its thermite because thats what you want it to be. but it could be pixie dust for all we know
1 video taken from miles away isnt proof.
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
Proof is something we reserve for math. In an investigation we speak of theories and supporting evidence .. and this video is a fine piece of evidence indeed.
And as for the material itself I can only reply that burning office supplies do not turn into streams and chunks of what can only be described as lava of some sort. By the colouring alone I would say the substance has reached temperatures in excess of 2500 fahrenheit.
Fire can go to about 1500, but only if the fuel is mixed pefectly.
mGoLos 2 years ago 2
i estimate that its over 9000!
based on what, do you estimate it getting that hot? you dont know what it is so dont know the temps it takes to get to those colors. you dont know what it is at all so cant say how likely it is that something like that would be in an office.
thats the problem with the truthers, they dont let little things like reality or science get in the way.
you dont want proof or truth, just things that support your already formed conclusion.
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
Porperties of the material:
1) There is tonnes of it.
2) It does not appear to cool, even during freefall.
3) It is burning at intense temperatures.
Learn combustion.
mGoLos 2 years ago 2
and even with ALL of that observation you just did it still doesnt say WHAT it is, just that there's alot of SOMETHING that doesnt appear to cool and it looks like it's hot.
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
mGoLos 2 years ago
now you're only guessing. you dont KNOW that that was all there was.like i've been saying the WHOLE time, you're guessing and assuming.
neither of which are evidence and neither would stand up in court, which is why the contradicting "truther" theories go nowhere and are nothing but a conspiracy theory.
if there was actual evidence and credible theories there would be a trial and an investigation. but since there isnt any, we get internet experts guessing and assuming and calling that truth.
ParticleMan420 2 years ago
Well .. there was also lots and lots of asbestos, but beyond that, no, there really wasn't anything else in the towers.
And I've never claimed to know anything. I merely examined the properties of a visible material. Why don't you try and address that instead?
And we're not in a court my friend. We're just two people talking. Let's return to the substance.
We agree that it is lava.
Tell me, how can fire create lava?
Remember now, it doesn't matter what the substance actually is.
mGoLos 2 years ago
thermite...
CopperFangunlimited 2 years ago
Yellow has a new name. It's called "debunker orange."
CACBCCCU 3 years ago 2
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Why did Scholars for 911 Truth split into two groups?
Why are there NO professional/academic peer reviewed journals or papers substantiating 911 truther theories?
In a world (and nation) of Bush haters, why has no one taken your absolute proof" to the courts to convict the guilty conspirators? It only took 5 years for Jim Garrison to bring charges on the Kennedy assassination (clearly a much smaller conspiracy than 911).
smartasa911twoofer 3 years ago 2
1) I don't know that is a good quesion though.
2)the CBC did a great cover story on it and Vanity Fair talked about "loose Change"
3)Americans don't want to take action. fmr Secratary of Defense Mcnamera admitted the Gulf of Tonkin didn't happen the single incident that got us into Vietnam their was no investigation for a deception that killed 100's of 1000's of civilians and 56,000 U.S troops. you should ask question to truthers but you should take action against wongs of the us
robinsl27 2 years ago
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Take that, conspiracist morons! Nice video.
You should include a link to Loose Change Guide somewhere, though. Great site.
Zebonka 3 years ago