Hey-Mountain Meadow Massacre? Blood Atonement (murder sanctioned and demanded by such as Jo Smith and Brigham Young...look it up, sources are absolutely available, credible and there for review) as part of the official Mormon creed? In the books-not making it up. Uhm-so besides Missouri being the new Jerusalem and God being a mortal from planet KOLOB (again, part of the OFFICIAL MORMON DOCTRINE)-and Jo Smith being a convicted liar (look it up), why do you think this BS is credible?
When the Stone Cairn was built on the MMM site Brigham Young looked at the inscription on the cross at the top, which read "Vengeance is mine and I will repay saith the Lord." and said "it should be Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little"...this is quoted by LDS Apostle Wilford Woodruff (Mountain Meadows Massacre, p. 182)
Brigham as much as said that the Vengeance and Blood was on his hands.
Ad Hominem attacks on Sandra Tanner (and me) does not change the Truth.
You are a Heretic, as were Joseph and Brigham. "Adam is God, the Supreme God, the Creator of this world, our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. He is our Father and our God. Who is the Father The first of the human family." Brigham Young.
"In the beginning the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." J. Smith.
He would have done or said almost anything to get those votes.
In this case he killed 2 birds with one stone because that speech addressed Racial issues that were plaguing his Presidency as much as it praised the Mormons.
As far as the Mormons being 'Persecuted' is concerned I can only find reliable evidence that Joseph was chased across the country ahead of his debts and broken promises.
Mitt Romney truly believes that he will become a real “god” and be given his own planet tocall his wife into to populate with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who truly believes he will become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land? Folks, this is the honest to God (no pun intended) truth.
Read book:CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus the Office Of The Presidency of the US
I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
"By their fruits you will recognize them..." Mormons live in fear, spied by their local authorities,concealing their emotions, they live in fear and in pain, I have never seen so many distressful people as in the LDS Church.That is not what Jesus Christ means! Jesus Christ brings Joy and Freedom in God's Love.He brings Celebration in righteousness and faith, but not fear and neurosis...Thank you Mrs.Tanner for your wonderful job disclosing these false prophets!
@MGMonasterio "By their fruits you will recognize them"
Say it to chinaculiacan she was calling me b**h and also lying to her friend that I called her the same. She is not lds.
Look how she insults my love."YOU ARE STUPID TO THE MAX SKEPTIC, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL IF YOU KEEP BELIEVING THIS MAN, IF HE LIED TO EMMAH, WHAT MAKES U SO SPECIAL OR ANY LDS? YOU R AN IDIOT TOO"
Those were her words.Are her words a result of Joy and freedom in God´s love.??
He would see them all in hell first; the Church [sic], and then he said he would see all Creation in Hell before he would." (Among the Mormons, pp. 152-153) People, keep believing in this man! You keep believing and you'll see what happens. There's not a bone in me that is good, but at least I won't be judge for believing a man who took other mans wives and little girls, behind His wife back Emma. AND USED THE NAME OF THE LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS TO GET WHAT HE WANTED.
@hammerogod But hey! He was a true prophet right? he preached blood atonement because Jesus blood would NOT cover the sin of Adultery, but he was a true prophet right? and practiced polygamy with 11 of his followers wives behind Emma's back 10 years before he brought the revelation of polygamy, but he was a true prophet right?
and prphesied he was not going to be killed in jail, but he was killed hours later, but he was a true prophet right? He said Jesus coming was in 1891,Jesus didn't come.
"suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD, and also knows that by having his BLOOD SHED he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, "shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?" B Young
How does it feel to lie to yourself? Can you be honest for just a bit. The "shedding of blood" represents the sacrifice of the lamb which was don't to atone for your sins. It represents spiritual death. I'm sorry this is over your head like the adoption topic but I'll leave you to wallow in the lie you've concocted. It's truly sad that you continue this facade.
; and then said, putting his hand on his head, they never could kill this Child. But now that he is killed some of the Church say that he said: unless he gave himself up. My husband was there at the time and says there was no conditions whatever, and many others testify to the same thing....Brigham Young said if he had been here, he wouldn't have consented to give Joseph up and he would be damned if he would give himself up to the law of the land.
Joseph prophesied in the last Neighbor that was published before his death that they would come off victorious over them all, as sure as there was a God in Israel. Joseph also prophesied on the stand a year ago last conference that he could not be killed within five years from that time; that they could not kill him till the Temple would be completed, for that he had received an unconditional promise from the Almighty concerning his days, and he set Earth and Hell at defiance;
It is claimed that before Joseph Smith was murdered in the Carthage jail he made this statement: "I am going like a LAMB to the slaughter (YEAH RIGHT." (Doctrine and Covenants, Section 135, verse 4) Jesus did go like a "lamb to the slaughter," but Joseph Smith died like a raging lion. In a letter dated July 22, 1844, Sarah Scott wrote "I suppose you received our letter and was somewhat prepared, when you heard of the dreadful murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith in Carthage jail..
He died without putting up a fight. In 1 Peter 2:23 we read: "Who, when he was reviled, reviled NOT AGAIN; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:" This is my Jesus.When Peter tried to defend Jesus with the sword, Jesus told him: "Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" (John 18:11)
It is interesting to compare the death of Joseph Smith with that of Jesus. In Isaiah 53:7 we read the following: "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: HE IS BROUGHT AS A LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth." In the New Testament it is claimed that Christ fulfilled this prophecy (Acts 8:32). The reason that Christ fulfilled it is that he did not try to fight back when he was led to death.
LOL... so your claim is that because JS an man would not die willingly then he can not be compared to Christ? News Flash... only you guys compare men to God. You hold a double standard. You try to hold JS to the standard that Jesus set but you yourself claim you can not and should not be held to that standard. It is quit cowardly.
JS never murdered anyone. Any he is very much a martyr as he died for a cause.
I do not know any man that would not fight for his life. Escape? The only thing he tried to escape was death... That is a rational act to try to save your life.
@hammerogod Other than being bigotted, hateful, bias and ignorant you don't know much about the church really. Since you ignore facts and support 3 and 4 th hand accounts of enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. While always giving the mobs a free pass.
I need only look at the words of Joseph and Brigham to have enough evidence to convince anyone except someone who is blinded by years of brainwashing that Joseph and Brigham were self-serving, anti-Christ and anti-Truth.
I have often quoted Brigham.
I will do so again:
"I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." B.Y.
If I had nothing except Brigham's own words that would be enough to condemn the entire foundation of the Latter Day movement.
"In the days of Joseph Smith it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones,"
B.Y (uttered over 150 years ago, never happened...false prophecy)
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! " B.Y.
@hammerogod Yet you never accuse the mobs who ran the Saints westwards, burning there homes, killling there children, raping there wives and daughters and burning a Temple down or Governor Boggs Extermination order 41, and his ilk, not a word of the false accusations of the saints in the papers you just except every word from them as true. Joseph was revered by his people called "Brother Joseph" Jailed with a false Mittamiss, killed by the mob! Mot a word about these wolves, No not one!
"Yet you never accuse the mobs who ran the Saints westwards, burning there homes, killling there children, raping there wives and daughters "
Not much evidence that it actually happened.
Some did on a local scale, welcome to Earth.
Hatred towards Mormons will always be an issue simply because the Mormons chose to do what the Hebrews who were escaping from Egypt did, they created an Idol, a false god made of nothing and covered with gold.
@hammerogod Your a liar sir and you know it, the history of the Saints and there trials Westward are historically documented very well in the journals of the Saints and minutes of the meetings of the Church. Hauns Mill for one 18 men and boys murdered brutily.
These are first hand accounts, yet you live with 3rd and 4th hand accounts of the Mormon haters and call it good.
As for JFK? You again make up a stroy to fit what you want to fit.
@scottwins2 Yes, there is evidence. Compelling evidence. Overwhelmingly compelling evidence. But you have to look for it yourself. And, once you have seen it, you must decide if it is enough to sway you from the Traditions you cling to. All I can do is start you on the path. Read this as a starting place. Put your brain-washed misconceptions aside and read with an open mind. I dare you. ht tp:/ /w ww.mazeministry(dot)com/mormonism/mmmassacre/brighamguilty(dot)htm
@hammerogod Brigahm Young, "In regard to the emigration trains passing through our settlements, we must not interfere with them until they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them." Unfortunately, the messenger arrived back two days after the massacre, on September 13, 1857.
@scottwins2 Since you have thrown done a challenge I will give you one in return. You called me a "Liar". So I will give you something to think about. If you will watch these videos, and not lie about watching them, we can continue our dialog. Otherwise I will consider you to be a "Liar", not to me, but to yourself. /watch?v=g00VjgTQLuo /watch?v=rn1iGvXU0dI /watch?v=a1BLR4rufYA This is not done to hurt you nor is it done to make you feel foolish. It is done to lead you to the Real Jesus.
No you just are that is a simple truth. U R human and you hate anything that is different. This will be who you are until you accept Christ.
I'm not LDS... I guarantee I know more about the LDS church then you do. You think you do but all you know is what the tanners have taught you... Well maybe just Ed Decker as I'm sure what the tanners teach is a little bit over your head.
You issue is your pride in what you think is knowledge & you confuse that with what is fact.
@TheSkepticChristian For two months, from March to May, Joseph appears to have talked with Emma about plural marriage. He apparently used their rides together to teach her the necessity of the endowment and sealing. There is no evidence that she ever opposed him on any doctrine but plural marriage. Convinced that it was necessary for her salvation and essential to their continued relationship, she may have decided to compromise with Joseph.
@IExposeMormonism Brother! It might not or maybe it will, but you see! this people are blind as bat, and the light of the truth of the matter of joseph lies are tooooooooo bright for them to see, so they just look down or close their eyes and decide to walk in darkness with their hands in front hoping they might not fall, it will be too painful for them to see the truth. or maybe they are just cowards to realized they whole belief has just been a lie from Jose. c1845? i shall look thank you
@TheSkepticChristian In May 1843 she finally agreed to give Joseph other wives if she could choose them .Emma chose the two sets of sisters then living in her house, Emily and Eliza Partridge and Sarah and Maria Lawrence. Emily Dow Partridge told how she and her sister were married without Emma's knowledge and then were remarried to Smith later with Emma's consent: The Prophet Joseph and his wife Emma offered us a home in their family, and they treated us with great kindness.
@TheSkepticChristian We had been there about a year when the principle of plural marriage was made known to us, and I was married to Joseph Smith on the 4th of March 1843, Elder Heber C. Kimball performing the ceremony. My sister Eliza was also married to Joseph a few days later. This was done without the knowledge of Emma Smith. Two months afterward she consented to give her husband two wives, providing he would give her the privilege of choosing them.
@TheSkepticChristian (Historical Record, edited by Andrew Jenson, vol. 6, 1887, p. 240). According to Todd Compton, Joseph Smith married at least twenty-seven plural wives between 1833 and July 12, 1843 (see In Sacred Loneliness, pp. 4-6). These were all before Joseph committed his revelation to paper. For example, the Partridge sisters were married to Smith in March of 1843. In July of 1843 Joseph's brother, Hyrum, believed he could convince Emma of the truthfulness polygamy
@TheSkepticChristian and suggested Smith commit the revelation to paper. Joseph's secretary, William Clayton recorded. Do you think Jose was going only to marry them and not sleep with them? why in the hell would he marry them in the first place? why would anyone would just marry in paper and Consumed the marriege? specially men! YOU ARE STUPID TO THE MAX SKEPTIC, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL IF YOU KEEP BELIEVING THIS MAN, IF HE LIED TO EMMAH, WHAT MAKES U SO SPECIAL OR ANY LDS? YOU R AN IDIOT TOO
I know more than you, and it was okay for a women to marry as a teenager in the 19th century, if you didn't know that.
Anyways, you are nothing more than a prejudice fanatic, anti-mormon street preacher, that thinks he knows a lot. I recommend that you do your science, instead of wasting your time with anti-mormon non-sense that I can easily refute.
@TheSkepticChristian so it was ok to marry little girls? right? and it was also ok to marry other mans wives too? dedu, you are blind as a bat, keep believing joe and his stupidities, so sorry, you'll b standing before God and hell tell you, you knew more of Joseph than me, so, apart from me, I never knew you! You can't scape nor avoid your history dude, give it up, just admitt you love joseph more than jesus and the debare is over. Loser
@TheSkepticChristian Girl here! you don't listen nor read! You keep defending this man wickedness and you'll end up where his right now! It was ok to marry as a teenager, It was not ok to do it when you are already married, and taking other mans wives! I have sent you names dates, and all church history where inviolves joseph with married ladies, but u put that aside and blindly cover it with excuses. You are not only blind, You are stupid as a child to defend this man and to put ur trust in him
Well there is NO evidence the JS had intimate relations with his youngest wife, or married women. Even DNA evidence tells us that there was no intimate relations.
You have to do a lot of explaining, I am sorry, but this is hypocrisy:
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
There are stronger scriptures in the Old Testament
@TheSkepticChristian HE MARRIED THEM. Don't u understand? or are you that idiot? u r using the bible to justifed or tell the world what your prophet did was ok? I tell you! I wish u were my brother for 5 mints, I'll be slaping the brains out of you, Jose wasn't going to write about his afairs behind emmas back you idiot! this history was from the 34 women he married. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when u stand b4 God with this believe or this excuse.
@TheSkepticChristian She accordingly chose my sister Eliza and myself, and to save family trouble Brother Joseph thought it best to have another ceremony performed. Accordingly on the 11th of May, 1843, we were sealed to Joseph Smith a second time, in Emma's presence. . . . From that very hour, however, Emma was our bitter enemy. We remained in the family several months after this, but things went from bad to worse until we were obligated to leave the house and find another home.
@TheSkepticChristian There's the testimony of the wives of Joe that he had sex with them and some tossed a litter. You'd think that MoJo's, being obsessed with genealogy, would test the dna of those brats. But then one would think Mojo's would dig up Cumorah. But neither will occur because every test, every shovel full is like a nail in the coffin of Joe's lies.
@IExposeMormonism So blame to the criminal mob ! You cannot close the circle because there´s no other offspring but with Emma. And please don´t send me comments to fight. You angrily know that this is true.
@dorisfenella Well, The claim is made by the married wives of JS and they're easy to trace. So, just trace and test. Lets hope he shot blanks. He shot 3 blanks at Carthage.
Sandra may be a good person, but in this presentation she was a total hypocrite. The BofM came to light, in the right time, to answer controversial questions, what a miracle. However, there are many evidences that the Trinity has pagan origins, whether you all like it or not. The Bible is also accused of plagiarism by some scholars. The oldest religion on record, is Hinduism.
@TheSkepticChristian it seems that you dont really know what a hypocrite really is. is there some other seemingly negative label that you really dont understand that you would like to throw on her or some1 else that might disagree with you? Your antics are so obviously MORmON! you are so pathetic! (do you know what pathetic means?) your criticism would be so much more aptly applied to Joe Smith & his POS BOM!
&here you are ragging on Sandy Tanner. What a dumb ass! MORmON!
@TheSkepticChristian it must be extremely painful for you hearing your Lunatic MORmON founding *prophet* & his POS BOM discredited so completely & thoroughly & so READILY & so EASILY by such simple inspection. The BOM never really answered anything, it just rehashed the same old pat crap. For MORmONS thats a big time innovation, just as their POS CULT is a *restoration* -one that cant keep up with the original that MORmONS so foolishly label as hopelessly apostate & then run after.
@ulisscarple "The BOM never really answered anything, " Yes it does, it has the fullness of the gospel, which you are clueless to what that is. but how about you go learn something useful, like the Theory of Evolution, or some astronomy??
Now extremely painful this: "I not only confess but I maintain, such a similitude of Plato's and John's Trinity doctrines as bespeaks a common origin." (Thirteenth letter to Dr. Priestley.)
@TheSkepticChristian theONLY thing the BOM EVER really revealed was a nice start on the nearly impossible task of trying to define just how SICK&TWISTED POS PERVERT LUNATIC MORmON Founder Joseph Smith really was.The piddling religious *issues* that the BOM supposedly delves into
that you MORmONS see as so imperative are exercises in idiocy, &what the BOM really shows is that
while attempting to authoritatively lecture others on such matters,Smith didn't know much &he changed his mind!
@TheSkepticChristian speaking of the "fullness of the gospel",see how you MORmONS just throw words around &rape the language to get the desired outcome of the moment &then act like you have been really profound when what you have really done is just arrogantly spouted a lot of idiocy &then you want to be taken SO seriously when U R really just DUMB ASSES. the BOM does not contain any of the supposedly critical LDS temple ceremony. Now you'll go on&on talking CRAP to say it does not matter.
@ulisscarple THe BOM contains the fullness of the Gospel, required to go to the celestial Kingdom. The Temple is for Exaltation, I am sorry, but you are clueless to what you are talking about, so much ignorance of your part. "PERVERT Joe Smith " I can prove with historical evidence that his motives were not lustful.
"The Greeks had a first God, and second God, and third God, and the second was begotten by the first. And yet for all that....they considered all these one."
@TheSkepticChristian Oh yah! the good old MORmON word / term definition Jumble/MANGLE of "Salvation"/ "Exaltation" &whatever other LDS BS you can slide in there to keep things completely unsettled,while you also pull out Contrived BS LDS definitions to meet your immediate BS needs.Your banker should operate this way!
SO, Pervert Joe's philandering was not motivated by Lust? I only wish pervert Joe was here in person to RAPE all of your female kin while you *proved* that to us. MORmON!
First of all, I friendly recommend that you don't spend too much time with all this anti-mormon nonsense, its not good for you, get a life.
Second, Joseph Smith raped no one, and according to Historian Todd Compton, there is no evidence that he had sex with his youngest wife.
Dude, I know a lot more history than you, and if you think I can't defend my position, then you are just the typical anti-mormon street preacher, that thinks that he is always right.
@TheSkepticChristian so you have real tall stack of books, &you think that means you know a lot , &yet you are still so STUPID that you cant figure out that Joe &his phantom gold plates is one of the LAMEST SCAMS ever.
"Second,Joe Smith raped no one, &according to Historian Todd Compton, there is no evidence that he had sex with his youngest wife."
The bikers want to NONrape you too,with a pick axe handle. According to them there will be no evidence afterward.U ready?
@TheSkepticChristian I dont know how big your pile of books really is, but it probably isnt big enough, because you need enough books to hide behind that the bikers cant find your behind to do some Joe Smith style *celestial marrying* action on. & remember its not rape because they say so, just like Pervert Joe, LDS Inc &MORmON dumbasses like you say so in the aftermath of Joes holy work on his selected teen eternal brides.Funny how such an experience will teach you more than all those books!
@TheSkepticChristian but if you are so keen on the BOM, then why dont you heed its content/message,it clearly condemns anything beyond simple belief/baptism ala the 4th LDS article of faith, but later on PERVERT Joe Smith comes up with his even more insane than the BOM LDS temple endowment -Full of secrecy &abomination that the BOM fully condemns, &it just does not register as a problem with you MORmONS. How can anyone else take your POS BOM seriously on these matters when you dont !
[F]irst beginning of my beginning, ...spirit of spirit, the first spirit in me, ...now if it be your will, ...give me over to immortal birth and, following that, to my underlying nature, so that, after the present need which is pressing me exceedingly, I may gaze upon the immortal beginning with the immortal spirit, ...that I may be born again in thought." (Ibid, p. 682-684)
@dorisfenella Y a usted que le importa si se esta revelando en contra de su propia sangre, muchas veces nuestras propias sangre son los responsables por estupideses.
@Chinaculiacan No me importa solo era curiosidad, no me sorprende despues de todo. Parece que a ti se te importa que yo haya preguntado. No te pregunte a ti.
@dorisfenella Le dije que no esperara que nadie contestara cuando usted escriba algo, se acuerda? si su verdad es verdad, y no se puede questionar! nada la rompera, pero su verdad tiene tantos oyos negros, que nusted se da cuenta. Siga siendo mormona! Tal vez Maria guadalupe le pedira cuentas, mujer ciega.
@dorisfenella Repita despues de mi!! Yo se Yo se Yo se!! Diame! despues que la entrenan a decir, Yo se que Jose fue un prefeta, Que mas tiene q decir para entrar al cielo? pedirle permiso y un passaporte a Jose para entrar? From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, Journal of Discourses 7:289
@dorisfenell Digame? que mas tengo que hacer para entrar al cielo, aparte de perdirle a jose un passaporte para entrar? Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja.... Vieja ciega.
@dorisfenella Mas yo si tengo un murcielago ciego como usted! Tal vez si estan en la misma cueva se pueden comunicar en la oscuridad, ya que los dos estan ciegos.
READ THE BOOK OF MORMON!! THIS LADY AND ALL THE OTHER ANTI MORMONS DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO THAN BASH THE LDS CHURCH. READ THE BOOK FOR YOURSELF!
Why doesn't a linguistical relationship exist between any native American language and ancient Egyptian or Hebrew? Not to be rude but mormons can't win the war there is far to much evidence against them they really do look like fools to outsiders these days.
@HugeJohn51 Yes indeed i do understand that the church is lying to themselves to deny the evidence brought forth i actually use to be mormon but i got crushed by the evidence and had no choice but to leave it behind theres no shame in going where the evidence takes us, thats my views.
@TennesseeSaint Is it based on apologist or secular archeology? I only trust neutral archeology apologists tend to spin it off as evidence when its not they have no intentions of documenting what it actually is only how they can use it to support there book of mormon. Joesph Smith was investigated as a fraud and fabracator anyways every none mormon archeologist is convinced there is "no" evidence to support Joesphs claims so its really a waste of time to even watch the video!
The thing where I don't agree with mormons is where you can become gods or how you think Jesus and god are different and how you're justified by works and obedience and pre existence or baptism for the dead or where you HAVE to pay tithing to go to the temple being sealed or when you pray that book of mormon is true I'm good ill stay in the terrestrial kingdom according to you guys
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
Was talking to a member in 1st Ward Fayetteville today and we were talking about members we both know from years ago . She told of one that came to Church on Memorial Day . He hasn't been to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints for 10 years . But decided it was time to come back . So there is hope for all of you . Good Luck . Take Care. There are simple answers to all of these questions but these anti guys don't want you to know that . Misery loves company I guess.
@woodcchuck2020 Was talking to a member in 1st Ward Fayetteville today and we were talking about members we both know from years ago . She told of one that came to Church on Memorial Day . He hasn't been to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints for 10 years . But decided it was time to come back . So there is hope for all of you . Good Luck . Take Care. There are simple answers to all of these questions but these anti guys don't want you to know that . Misery loves company I guess.
One can have Hebrew ancestry and not be an active follower of the Jewish belief systems, Now as for the rest. This poor lady is mis informed, you can visit if you have the courage to, this blog which has a lot of information on it concerning the Natives of North,Central,South America's, and their traditions. some are not even related to any LDS church, just Archaeology & real history. hiddennorthamericanarchaeology blogspot com From here you can search other links on the topics.
@Gideon6640 To be a descendant of the Hebrew, Abraham does not mean one has to follow the laws that were given by Moses to direct the lives, the rituals, now outdated, as Christ came to fulfill the laws given, and he directed the Jews of his day to follow Him as he was the Messiah, see there are 2 accounts of the Messiah coming to Israel, the 1st he would be rejected then crucified, the 2nd when he will save Israel from all its enemies - the 2nd coming of the Book of Revelations.
It is imperative that Christians preach against falsehood. Particularly against those religions that are obviously not Christian while claiming to be so. Jesus himself condemned the false and we must also. Mormonism is not christian and a campaign against it will continue until it falls -
@54v115 It never fails to amuse me when adherents of one religion claim that another is false. What evidence do you have that your religion is true? What evidence can you present that Jesus ever existed, since there's no contemporary sources that mention him? What about god himself? He's never been proven to exist.
@trekleader - you believe what ever you want to believe.. that is up to you... but if you're mormon.. don't claim to be Christian. What evidence do you have that your position is true? What evidence can you present? Jesus is recorded in Historical documents by both Christian and non- Christian Historians alike. Prove God doesn't exist.. off you go!
@54v115 You're a fool; you choose to believe in the imagined fantasies of bronze age primitives, of the writings of men who decided to concoct a way to emotionally manipulate and mentally enslave their fellow tribesmen. It is not my job to prove that your claim is false, it is your job to provide evidence for that which you claim is true. And, actually, Jesus is most assuredly NOT recorded in any historical documents, neither Christian or non-Christian. Go ahead, off you go, look it up!
@trekleader - Your not as powerful a speaker as you thought. You haven't proven anything. Not your job to prove?...lol.. prove your statement! As for calling me a fool..lol... you've already lost! .. Do you think you know me? Control yourself!
@54v115 I only know you by your words, which are laughable. You are a feeble-minded mental midget that chooses to believe one set of man made fairy tales over another. Until you can prove that your particular version of fairy tales are true, you cannot begin claim that others' are false.
And, control myself? Or you're going to do what, exactly?
@trekleader lol... can't control yourself?... you are sooo powerful.. a man your age.. A juvenile delinquent and an inadequate. Your family MUST be proud of you..lol. Probably an under achiever too. lol.. You haven't the capacity to prove your position... all you can turn to is school yard name calling. lol.. what a man...lol
@54v115 When did I say I can't control myself? And, what does any of this have to do with your original position, that you believe that your unproven belief system is any better than anyone else's? How can you justify that? The bottom line is, you can not. However, you insist on acting out in childish ways, like making veiled threats here on YouTube. You need to grow up.
@trekleader - explain yourself.. what threats are you talking about? I don't have to explain myself or my belief system to you. Who do you think you are? Works both ways doesn't it? So a stalemate... when I say control yourself.. why the insults?.. Why?.. you lack self control!.. 40 years of age, and the best your mind has to offer is to carousel insult after insult.. no facts... no eloquence, no structure to your position or opinion. You are so powerful... learn to control yourself!
@54v115 So sad... your original position is that the Mormon's are "obviously not Christian," and that "a campaign against it will continue until it falls." You're a bully. You act like you have all the answers, because you believe in a different interpretation of a bronze age book written by desert dwelling nomads, one that starts with a story of a talking snake and ends with a story of a seven-headed dragon. Why do you choose to believe in such fairy tales? When will you grow up?
@trekleader Mormonism is not Christian. They claim to be, but they do not follow Jesus Christ of the Bible. They claim Christianity as wholly theirs, and all of Christendom is false. They do not follow the teachings of Biblical doctrine. They aren't Christian and many millions of people who want to be are lead astray. WHO is the BULLY? If you're ABSOLUTELY secure in your belief.. then on you way and good luck to you. You try to insult me with your childish taunts..lol... WHO is trying to bully?
@54v115 They aren't Christian? Why? Because YOU say so? Who else isn't... 7th Day Adventists? Jehovah's Witnesses? Catholics? Anabaptists? Swedenborgians? Christadelphians? Doukhobors? Molokans? Christian Scientists? Baptists? Lutherans? Syrian Orthodox? All of them claim to follow biblical doctrine. Are you going after them next? Your religious beliefs have filled you with hate and bigotry. You think you have authority because of the bible; you don't. You can't tell me, or anyone else, anything
@trekleader - The real question is.. when will you grow up? If you disagree with a belief system which differs from your own - so be it. I believe in God.. can I call myself an Atheist akin to your position? No. Like wise, can I link your belief system with homosexual practice? No (or at least I shouldn't if I want to be taken as a mature, thinking, informed person). I can align myself with Christendom, Mormons cannot based on doctrinal differences and I have a right to state as much!
@54v115 Why do you think that I can have no say regarding your pedantic posts here? You're assaulting the belief system of the Mormons; I am questioning yours. How do you know what you believe is true? You have no evidence for it; no evidence that Jesus existed; no evidence for the existence of god; you don't know who wrote the Gospels; you don't know who wrote the Pentateuch. Your whole belief system is based on anonymously written fragments of ancient superstitious tribesmen. It's folly.
@trekleader - you can state anything you wish... you can agree or disagree.. it's no sweat off my back.. care to prove your position? Or do you think the Big bang fact and not scientific theory? Care to put your beliefs in black and white? do you have any?... go for it! But in the end, if I'm right and you're wrong... someone may regret their position.. if you're right and I'm wrong.. it's a moot point...
@54v115 Actually, it's YOU who has to prove YOUR position, since you're the one making outrageous claims. You have failed to provide any evidence at all. You hold some kind of christian belief, and seem to feel that it gives you the authority to make proclamations about other people's religious beliefs. It does not. When you attack others, don't be surprised that people may ask you questions, like I have. Your responses have been lacking; you have no position other than hatred and ignorance.
@scottwins2 When did Josephus live? 37 CE – 100 CE... When was the supposed life of Jesus? 7–2 BCE — 30–36 CE... Josephus was never alive during the time of your Jesus... what else do you have? Oh, that's right... NOTHING...
Mormons are not racist, in fact, we absolutely love colored people and feel everyone should own one or two! You've got to admit, coloreds potty train faster than dogs, most of them anyway, lol!
Blacks are cursed and why everything they touch turns to dung.
There isn't a single black-controlled nation on this planet that is able to function, even at basic levels, without white intervention, laws and commerce.
I don't have to prove the "coloreds" are this or that or anything, just open your eyes.
@Gideon6640man I think she believs more lies about i LDS than most and takes heed and spreads more lies than most. Satan has always tried to destroy t the church. If people believe his lies and spread them then they are deceived, and thus do his work, probably unwittingly. I have too much proof that the Latter-Day Saints is the true church of the fullness of the gospel. I have exercised the priesthood power myself given authority, and have witnessed miracles, and know of it's power first hand.
You can go to colleges of men and learn from men knowledge that has the perfection of men. You can call yourself a Christian, when what you should be calling yourself is a Saint (but not having the fullness you don't know any better). You can condemn others and bring forth disputations, which is not following the example that Jesus the Christ would have us follow. You can preach behind the symbol of Christ's death. (I personally hope Jesus never has to lay his eyes on an other cross ever again)
You can continue to do all of these things and much more, but you nor Satan will ever prevail against the one true and restored church of the fullness of the gospel. I suggest you take an other look at this gospel, with humility. Learn your facts from the church leaders rather than people who spread lies. Not with an attacking spirit. In other words if you cling to the lies and say: "What do you have to say about such and such!", you will never learn of the truth.
If you were to be alive in Jerusalem, at the time of Christ, and if you had heard of a man that performed miracles and brought a message from God who was the messiah, but decided to go to the pharisees and ask them about this man, I'll bet they probably would have told you he was a false prophet and a blasphemer. They would have given you example after example of things that he was wrong about. But if you were to go to the source, Jesus himself you would hear the truth from the source of truth.
@Gideon6640man I think she believs more lies about i LDS than most and takes heed and spreads more lies than most. Satan has always tried to destroy t the church. If people believe his lies and spread them then they are deceived, and thus do his work, probably unwittingly. I have too much proof that the Latter-Day Saints is the true church of the fullness of the gospel. I have exercised the priesthood power myself given authority, and have witnessed miracles, and know of it's power first hand.
@Gideon6640man I have no idea what relevance your ancestors have in this conversation. Yeshua (meaning Savior in Hebrew or saving cry for help) means the same as the name Jesus in Greek (Savior kind of cool tat his name is really Savior not the other names) I would assume you should know that I was referring to the Pharisee having the incorrect gospel but I was wrong. You assumed I meant Jesus's Gospel, well, I meant the Pharisee's were incorrect. You however are like unto the Pharisees. Point
Also, TennesseeSaint: one of the MANY differences between Christianity and LDS is that there are no "doctrines too sacred to discuss outside the temple walls" in Christianity.
@wannawatchu66 But the word was delivered to the Saints! I AM a Latter-Day "Saint"! You are a self proclaimed "Christian". (....differences between Christianity and LDS) The term "Christian" was given by men to the saints. Acts 11:26. Are you a Christian? By mens interpretation, I am a Christian, because men called the Saints "Christians", and by the definition of Christ, I am a Saint. Men who proclaim to be a "Christian" are just that, having not the full knowledge of what they truly are.
@TennesseeSaint No the difference is that you have another gospel,another Jesus and another Spirit form the Chrsitian one. As a Messianic I find your polytheism repulsive and insulting when you claim my ancestors are in any way connected to your "Prophet" who, btw, would have been stoned to death for blasphemy.You have burining in the bossom? so what? so do Muslims. Biblical truth is not subjective ,sorry.
@Gideon6640man Yeah the Pharisees felt the same way when Jesus proclaimed a different gospel that they had believed as well. It was prophesied that we would be hated for his names sake.... (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does bear his name)
"Does the Bible say 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations about false religions, exhorting them to seek evidence from sources unfriendly to their gospel?'"
Ever read Jude 3, where we're exhorted to "earnestly contend for the faith...once delivered to the saints?"
"Controversy for the sake of controversy is sin. Controversy for the sake of truth is a *Divine Command*." --Dr. Walter Martin
Investigating and refuting LDS lies isn't "sad," it's biblical.
@wannawatchu66 To contend for the faith means to debate and to prove your faith when others attack it. Not to go and attack an others false faith. This is what I do now. This page is attacking the one true faith, and I contend for it. I don't go to attack others faiths.
I know a mormon seminary teacher who claims to have 'studied' the bible.. i asked her to read some of it to me the way she studies it... she couldn't pronounce many of the words and she couldn't link many contiguous verses.... what the does that tell you about her comprehension? worse still.. she teaches others - Shit man! For those mormons out there.. use an appropriate dictionary as you read 'critically'... or do you just ask to see the video again?
Well done Sandra... best to show the Mormons for what they are and what they are not... mormonism is a fiction that needs to be made public... it's riddled with crackerjack disney doctrine... People, rather you find Mrs Beetons Cookbook than Josephs best seller. well it would have been if he could have secured his patent on his book... mormons usually have hearts of gold... but they are the most dim witted and uneducated people I have ever known ...
Talk about false teachers.Has this woman preacher not read:1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to bein silence.I know all the arguments:God called you to preach,had to obey,that was cultural/historical.I've heard it all. No, God didn't call you because He said he wouldn't right there in that verse from His word. So whomever called you it wasn't God. I wish people would just say they don't agree or wish to obey God instead of justifying sin.
@Ebeneezerable She is not a preacher, she is a guest speaker exposing a false prophet. Of course if you can produce her credentials as a preacher from a church.. funny thing about LDS is when confronted with their own prophets words in context,the actual Church documents,books etc.... you attack the person who just brings it to your attention...hmmmmm what does that sound like? Jim Jones,David Koresh..etc.. maybe? Agree? your Church calls all churches besides theirs false so what? hypocrisy.
Calling all Mormons. Come back to Jesus . Read the history on Smith, who was a murderer , adulterer, mason, talisman collector , metal detector, paedophile , arsonist S O A Bitch.
Hey-Mountain Meadow Massacre? Blood Atonement (murder sanctioned and demanded by such as Jo Smith and Brigham Young...look it up, sources are absolutely available, credible and there for review) as part of the official Mormon creed? In the books-not making it up. Uhm-so besides Missouri being the new Jerusalem and God being a mortal from planet KOLOB (again, part of the OFFICIAL MORMON DOCTRINE)-and Jo Smith being a convicted liar (look it up), why do you think this BS is credible?
PuddlesMcNiggley 1 week ago
When the Stone Cairn was built on the MMM site Brigham Young looked at the inscription on the cross at the top, which read "Vengeance is mine and I will repay saith the Lord." and said "it should be Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little"...this is quoted by LDS Apostle Wilford Woodruff (Mountain Meadows Massacre, p. 182)
Brigham as much as said that the Vengeance and Blood was on his hands.
ht tp:/ /w ww(dot)utlm(dot)org/onlineresources/mmm_familysecrets(dot)htm
hammerogod 1 week ago
Sandra Tanner? Go get a life lady. cackle cackle
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
Ad Hominem attacks on Sandra Tanner (and me) does not change the Truth.
You are a Heretic, as were Joseph and Brigham. "Adam is God, the Supreme God, the Creator of this world, our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. He is our Father and our God. Who is the Father The first of the human family." Brigham Young.
"In the beginning the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." J. Smith.
hammerogod 1 week ago
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@scottwins2
If I am Bigoted it is against Liars.
If I am Hateful it is against Sin.
If I am Biased it is towards Truth.
If I am Ignorant is because I am unable to understand how anyone could know the facts behind Mormonism and still remain a Mormon.
The more I learn about the snakes hiding in the LDS closet the sicker it makes me.
I do NOT hate you.
I want you to know Jesus as your Personal Savior and accept His Grace and Sacrifice as payment for your Sins.
Repent and be Saved.
hammerogod 1 week ago
SEE J.F.K. on MORMONS here on this youtube. Great short talk.
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
John Kennedy was out stumping for votes.
He knew that Mormons voted as a block.
He would have done or said almost anything to get those votes.
In this case he killed 2 birds with one stone because that speech addressed Racial issues that were plaguing his Presidency as much as it praised the Mormons.
As far as the Mormons being 'Persecuted' is concerned I can only find reliable evidence that Joseph was chased across the country ahead of his debts and broken promises.
hammerogod 1 week ago
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scottwins2 2 weeks ago
Sandra Tanner is the Great-Great-Grand Daughter of Brigham Young.
She probably knows more about the LDS and Mormonism in general than Monson does.
She could be a Princess in the LDS, but she chose the truth instead of the lie.
Bless you Sandra.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
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Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@hammerogod She probably knows more about the LDS and Mormonism in general than Monson does.
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Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
Sandra Tanner is like listening to some rocks being shaken in a tin can.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
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Mitt Romney truly believes that he will become a real “god” and be given his own planet tocall his wife into to populate with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who truly believes he will become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land? Folks, this is the honest to God (no pun intended) truth.
Read book:CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus the Office Of The Presidency of the US
certainlytruthful 1 month ago
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I read this book and highly recommend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION!
Arm yourselves! Read the book: “CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus The Office Of The Presidency of the United States of America”
certainlytruthful 2 months ago
Dumb talk, you can't judge ANY book by one or two sentences, and she comes across like that too much throughout the talk
jaguarom2003 2 months ago
"By their fruits you will recognize them..." Mormons live in fear, spied by their local authorities,concealing their emotions, they live in fear and in pain, I have never seen so many distressful people as in the LDS Church.That is not what Jesus Christ means! Jesus Christ brings Joy and Freedom in God's Love.He brings Celebration in righteousness and faith, but not fear and neurosis...Thank you Mrs.Tanner for your wonderful job disclosing these false prophets!
MGMonasterio 2 months ago
@MGMonasterio "By their fruits you will recognize them"
Say it to chinaculiacan she was calling me b**h and also lying to her friend that I called her the same. She is not lds.
Look how she insults my love."YOU ARE STUPID TO THE MAX SKEPTIC, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL IF YOU KEEP BELIEVING THIS MAN, IF HE LIED TO EMMAH, WHAT MAKES U SO SPECIAL OR ANY LDS? YOU R AN IDIOT TOO"
Those were her words.Are her words a result of Joy and freedom in God´s love.??
dorisfenella 2 months ago
He would see them all in hell first; the Church [sic], and then he said he would see all Creation in Hell before he would." (Among the Mormons, pp. 152-153) People, keep believing in this man! You keep believing and you'll see what happens. There's not a bone in me that is good, but at least I won't be judge for believing a man who took other mans wives and little girls, behind His wife back Emma. AND USED THE NAME OF THE LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS TO GET WHAT HE WANTED.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
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@Chinaculiacan Viper erase your false accusation in the Soulamore channel!
"@dorisfenella Digamre? somo se siente ser perra? y estar labiendo el libro del mormon?
in the BEST Christian/Mormon debate EVER *Commented* 2/3"
Only an idiot would believe you are a Saint as you boast.
Look what kind of people accuse Joseph Smith Jr. as a false prophet. !
dorisfenella 3 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
Yes...the "Doctrine" of Polygamy didn't first appear until AFTER Emma caught Joseph in the barn having sex with Fanny Alger.
Odd coincidence?
Not hardly.
The guy was a liar and a fraud even to his own wife.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@hammerogod But hey! He was a true prophet right? he preached blood atonement because Jesus blood would NOT cover the sin of Adultery, but he was a true prophet right? and practiced polygamy with 11 of his followers wives behind Emma's back 10 years before he brought the revelation of polygamy, but he was a true prophet right?
and prphesied he was not going to be killed in jail, but he was killed hours later, but he was a true prophet right? He said Jesus coming was in 1891,Jesus didn't come.
Chinaculiacan 2 weeks ago
@Chinaculiacan
Blood Atonement... if it is not something that G-d requires then why did he kill Ananias and Sapphira?
Sk8er408 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
You are still as stupid as ever....where does it say their blood was shed (Blood Atonement)?
lol
Jack44M 2 days ago
@Jack44M
Blood Atonement signifies physical death stupid.
Sk8er408 2 days ago
@Sk8er408
..guess again idiot. lol
"suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD, and also knows that by having his BLOOD SHED he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, "shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?" B Young
Jack44M 2 days ago
@Jack44M
Again. Shedding blood or blood shed represents death. Physical death. Which in itself is a metaphor for spiritual death.
I love how you get to choose what is taken literal and what is figurative. You are only deceiving yourself.
Sk8er408 2 days ago
@Sk8er408
....that's not what the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator said...do you hold a higher priesthood? rofl
Jack44M 2 days ago
@Jack44M
How does it feel to lie to yourself? Can you be honest for just a bit. The "shedding of blood" represents the sacrifice of the lamb which was don't to atone for your sins. It represents spiritual death. I'm sorry this is over your head like the adoption topic but I'll leave you to wallow in the lie you've concocted. It's truly sad that you continue this facade.
Sk8er408 1 day ago
@Sk8er408
......is your priesthood authority higher than Young's? If not,your opinion is worthless......lol
Jack44M 1 day ago
@Jack44M
So that is what you got? I guess you are ruled by you own understanding of what By said. Pathetic.
Sk8er408 1 day ago
@Sk8er408
I'm going with the highest ranking member as the one who speaks for the LDS Church.....and that CERTAINLY isn't you. rofl
Jack44M 1 day ago
@Jack44M
It doesn't matter who you go with if you have not intellectual ability to understand the most simplest things.
Sk8er408 14 hours ago
@Sk8er408
Get back on your meds.....you are in serious need of them. rofl
Jack44M 13 hours ago
@Jack44M
Maybe if i put "rofl" at the end of everything I post you might get a clue.
Sk8er408 8 hours ago
; and then said, putting his hand on his head, they never could kill this Child. But now that he is killed some of the Church say that he said: unless he gave himself up. My husband was there at the time and says there was no conditions whatever, and many others testify to the same thing....Brigham Young said if he had been here, he wouldn't have consented to give Joseph up and he would be damned if he would give himself up to the law of the land.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
Joseph prophesied in the last Neighbor that was published before his death that they would come off victorious over them all, as sure as there was a God in Israel. Joseph also prophesied on the stand a year ago last conference that he could not be killed within five years from that time; that they could not kill him till the Temple would be completed, for that he had received an unconditional promise from the Almighty concerning his days, and he set Earth and Hell at defiance;
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
It is claimed that before Joseph Smith was murdered in the Carthage jail he made this statement: "I am going like a LAMB to the slaughter (YEAH RIGHT." (Doctrine and Covenants, Section 135, verse 4) Jesus did go like a "lamb to the slaughter," but Joseph Smith died like a raging lion. In a letter dated July 22, 1844, Sarah Scott wrote "I suppose you received our letter and was somewhat prepared, when you heard of the dreadful murder of Joseph and Hyrum Smith in Carthage jail..
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
He died without putting up a fight. In 1 Peter 2:23 we read: "Who, when he was reviled, reviled NOT AGAIN; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:" This is my Jesus.When Peter tried to defend Jesus with the sword, Jesus told him: "Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" (John 18:11)
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
It is interesting to compare the death of Joseph Smith with that of Jesus. In Isaiah 53:7 we read the following: "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: HE IS BROUGHT AS A LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth." In the New Testament it is claimed that Christ fulfilled this prophecy (Acts 8:32). The reason that Christ fulfilled it is that he did not try to fight back when he was led to death.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
LOL... so your claim is that because JS an man would not die willingly then he can not be compared to Christ? News Flash... only you guys compare men to God. You hold a double standard. You try to hold JS to the standard that Jesus set but you yourself claim you can not and should not be held to that standard. It is quit cowardly.
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@Sk8er408
The LDS call Joseph a "Martyr" when he was really a "Murderer".
He got drunk in jail and shot and killed at least 2 men, possibly 3, then tried to escape, leaving his Brother Hyrum to die.
Joseph was, from beginning to end, a piece of shit.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@hammerogod
JS never murdered anyone. Any he is very much a martyr as he died for a cause.
I do not know any man that would not fight for his life. Escape? The only thing he tried to escape was death... That is a rational act to try to save your life.
You are an ignorant hatemonger.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
You wish I was an "Ignorant Hatemonger".
But I am not.
I just want you to see past the lie and meet the Real Jesus.
The simple truth is that I know more about your 'Church" and it's History than you do.
I don't hate you, I am trying to get you to see the truth.
And I am far from Ignorant m'man.
I am willing to bet that I know more about LDS Doctrine than you or most of the "Missionaries" the LDS sends out to recruit new Members.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@hammerogod Other than being bigotted, hateful, bias and ignorant you don't know much about the church really. Since you ignore facts and support 3 and 4 th hand accounts of enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. While always giving the mobs a free pass.
scottwins2 2 weeks ago
@scottwins2
I need only look at the words of Joseph and Brigham to have enough evidence to convince anyone except someone who is blinded by years of brainwashing that Joseph and Brigham were self-serving, anti-Christ and anti-Truth.
I have often quoted Brigham.
I will do so again:
"I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." B.Y.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@scottwins2
If I had nothing except Brigham's own words that would be enough to condemn the entire foundation of the Latter Day movement.
"In the days of Joseph Smith it was considered a great privilege to be permitted to speak to a member of Congress, but twenty-six years will not pass away before the Elders of this Church will be as much thought of as the kings on their thrones,"
B.Y (uttered over 150 years ago, never happened...false prophecy)
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@scottwins2
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned" B.Y.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@scottwins2
"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," B.Y.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@scottwins2
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! " B.Y.
hammerogod 2 weeks ago
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hammerogod 2 weeks ago
@hammerogod Yet you never accuse the mobs who ran the Saints westwards, burning there homes, killling there children, raping there wives and daughters and burning a Temple down or Governor Boggs Extermination order 41, and his ilk, not a word of the false accusations of the saints in the papers you just except every word from them as true. Joseph was revered by his people called "Brother Joseph" Jailed with a false Mittamiss, killed by the mob! Mot a word about these wolves, No not one!
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
"Yet you never accuse the mobs who ran the Saints westwards, burning there homes, killling there children, raping there wives and daughters "
Not much evidence that it actually happened.
Some did on a local scale, welcome to Earth.
Hatred towards Mormons will always be an issue simply because the Mormons chose to do what the Hebrews who were escaping from Egypt did, they created an Idol, a false god made of nothing and covered with gold.
And that bunch never saw the promised land.
hammerogod 1 week ago
@hammerogod Your a liar sir and you know it, the history of the Saints and there trials Westward are historically documented very well in the journals of the Saints and minutes of the meetings of the Church. Hauns Mill for one 18 men and boys murdered brutily.
These are first hand accounts, yet you live with 3rd and 4th hand accounts of the Mormon haters and call it good.
As for JFK? You again make up a stroy to fit what you want to fit.
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
Ok then, now you tell us all about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
One of the worst mass murders in U.S. history.
Organized and lead by Mormons.
I am pretty sure we are going to hear history being altered to fit an agenda.
Unfortunately for you the truth is well documented.
And don't say that Brigham didn't order that brutal atrocity until you read this carefully and think about it.
ht tp:/ /1857massacre(dot)com/MMM/bloodatonement(dot)htm
We can sort out the liars here.
hammerogod 1 week ago
@hammerogod There is no evidence that Brigham Young ordered such, period.
scottwins2 1 week ago
hammerogod 1 week ago
@hammerogod Again you make assumptions you know nothing about. I am not brainwashed at all. I cling to no traditions whatsoever.
Interesting, I just showed that Brgiham Young had sent a message and you ignored it to fit your bias.
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
The message that Brigham sent arrived late.
Why?
Brigham was a Dictator, everything that happened in Utah was under his control.
The message arrived late because Brigham wanted it that way.
Nothing else makes sense.
The message was only to cover him when the investigations started.
There is too much evidence, first-hand, contemporary, for me to ever believe that Brigham didn't order the Massacre.
And, even if he was innocent (unlikely), he set the atmosphere for it to happen
hammerogod 1 week ago
@hammerogod Brigahm Young, "In regard to the emigration trains passing through our settlements, we must not interfere with them until they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them." Unfortunately, the messenger arrived back two days after the massacre, on September 13, 1857.
scottwins2 1 week ago
@scottwins2
"If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." Brigham Young
Quoted by William Bishop, Attorney to John D. Lee, the Leader of the Massacre.
Don't even try to convince anyone that Brigham Young was innocent.
He was motivated to kill the Baker-Fancher party for several reasons.
And he got the job done.
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hammerogod 1 week ago
hammerogod 1 week ago
@hammerogod
No you just are that is a simple truth. U R human and you hate anything that is different. This will be who you are until you accept Christ.
I'm not LDS... I guarantee I know more about the LDS church then you do. You think you do but all you know is what the tanners have taught you... Well maybe just Ed Decker as I'm sure what the tanners teach is a little bit over your head.
You issue is your pride in what you think is knowledge & you confuse that with what is fact.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
accusations required evidence. You have no evidence that he had intimaterelationships with them, even DNA evidences dosen't support that claim.
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian For two months, from March to May, Joseph appears to have talked with Emma about plural marriage. He apparently used their rides together to teach her the necessity of the endowment and sealing. There is no evidence that she ever opposed him on any doctrine but plural marriage. Convinced that it was necessary for her salvation and essential to their continued relationship, she may have decided to compromise with Joseph.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I just posted a letter Emma wrote to a newspaper. c1845. It might surprise you.
IExposeMormonism 4 months ago
@IExposeMormonism Brother! It might not or maybe it will, but you see! this people are blind as bat, and the light of the truth of the matter of joseph lies are tooooooooo bright for them to see, so they just look down or close their eyes and decide to walk in darkness with their hands in front hoping they might not fall, it will be too painful for them to see the truth. or maybe they are just cowards to realized they whole belief has just been a lie from Jose. c1845? i shall look thank you
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian In May 1843 she finally agreed to give Joseph other wives if she could choose them .Emma chose the two sets of sisters then living in her house, Emily and Eliza Partridge and Sarah and Maria Lawrence. Emily Dow Partridge told how she and her sister were married without Emma's knowledge and then were remarried to Smith later with Emma's consent: The Prophet Joseph and his wife Emma offered us a home in their family, and they treated us with great kindness.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian We had been there about a year when the principle of plural marriage was made known to us, and I was married to Joseph Smith on the 4th of March 1843, Elder Heber C. Kimball performing the ceremony. My sister Eliza was also married to Joseph a few days later. This was done without the knowledge of Emma Smith. Two months afterward she consented to give her husband two wives, providing he would give her the privilege of choosing them.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian (Historical Record, edited by Andrew Jenson, vol. 6, 1887, p. 240). According to Todd Compton, Joseph Smith married at least twenty-seven plural wives between 1833 and July 12, 1843 (see In Sacred Loneliness, pp. 4-6). These were all before Joseph committed his revelation to paper. For example, the Partridge sisters were married to Smith in March of 1843. In July of 1843 Joseph's brother, Hyrum, believed he could convince Emma of the truthfulness polygamy
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian and suggested Smith commit the revelation to paper. Joseph's secretary, William Clayton recorded. Do you think Jose was going only to marry them and not sleep with them? why in the hell would he marry them in the first place? why would anyone would just marry in paper and Consumed the marriege? specially men! YOU ARE STUPID TO THE MAX SKEPTIC, AND YOU'LL BURN IN HELL IF YOU KEEP BELIEVING THIS MAN, IF HE LIED TO EMMAH, WHAT MAKES U SO SPECIAL OR ANY LDS? YOU R AN IDIOT TOO
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
I know more than you, and it was okay for a women to marry as a teenager in the 19th century, if you didn't know that.
Anyways, you are nothing more than a prejudice fanatic, anti-mormon street preacher, that thinks he knows a lot. I recommend that you do your science, instead of wasting your time with anti-mormon non-sense that I can easily refute.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian so it was ok to marry little girls? right? and it was also ok to marry other mans wives too? dedu, you are blind as a bat, keep believing joe and his stupidities, so sorry, you'll b standing before God and hell tell you, you knew more of Joseph than me, so, apart from me, I never knew you! You can't scape nor avoid your history dude, give it up, just admitt you love joseph more than jesus and the debare is over. Loser
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan There is no evidence that Joseph Smith had sex with his youngest wife.
You are ignoring that it was okay for a women, to marry as a teenager in the 19 th century.
Anyways, dude
You should check out the video I dedicated to you
watch?v=IA-frBvU9Rg
I just send it to you. You are in the video :) watch it
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Girl here! you don't listen nor read! You keep defending this man wickedness and you'll end up where his right now! It was ok to marry as a teenager, It was not ok to do it when you are already married, and taking other mans wives! I have sent you names dates, and all church history where inviolves joseph with married ladies, but u put that aside and blindly cover it with excuses. You are not only blind, You are stupid as a child to defend this man and to put ur trust in him
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I am sorry.
Well there is NO evidence the JS had intimate relations with his youngest wife, or married women. Even DNA evidence tells us that there was no intimate relations.
You have to do a lot of explaining, I am sorry, but this is hypocrisy:
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
There are stronger scriptures in the Old Testament
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian HE MARRIED THEM. Don't u understand? or are you that idiot? u r using the bible to justifed or tell the world what your prophet did was ok? I tell you! I wish u were my brother for 5 mints, I'll be slaping the brains out of you, Jose wasn't going to write about his afairs behind emmas back you idiot! this history was from the 34 women he married. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when u stand b4 God with this believe or this excuse.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian She accordingly chose my sister Eliza and myself, and to save family trouble Brother Joseph thought it best to have another ceremony performed. Accordingly on the 11th of May, 1843, we were sealed to Joseph Smith a second time, in Emma's presence. . . . From that very hour, however, Emma was our bitter enemy. We remained in the family several months after this, but things went from bad to worse until we were obligated to leave the house and find another home.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian There's the testimony of the wives of Joe that he had sex with them and some tossed a litter. You'd think that MoJo's, being obsessed with genealogy, would test the dna of those brats. But then one would think Mojo's would dig up Cumorah. But neither will occur because every test, every shovel full is like a nail in the coffin of Joe's lies.
IExposeMormonism 5 months ago
@IExposeMormonism So blame to the criminal mob ! You cannot close the circle because there´s no other offspring but with Emma. And please don´t send me comments to fight. You angrily know that this is true.
dorisfenella 4 months ago
@dorisfenella Well, The claim is made by the married wives of JS and they're easy to trace. So, just trace and test. Lets hope he shot blanks. He shot 3 blanks at Carthage.
IExposeMormonism 4 months ago
Its amazing that most critics that I talk with, don't even know what "the fullness of the gospel" means.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
Sandra may be a good person, but in this presentation she was a total hypocrite. The BofM came to light, in the right time, to answer controversial questions, what a miracle. However, there are many evidences that the Trinity has pagan origins, whether you all like it or not. The Bible is also accused of plagiarism by some scholars. The oldest religion on record, is Hinduism.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian it seems that you dont really know what a hypocrite really is. is there some other seemingly negative label that you really dont understand that you would like to throw on her or some1 else that might disagree with you? Your antics are so obviously MORmON! you are so pathetic! (do you know what pathetic means?) your criticism would be so much more aptly applied to Joe Smith & his POS BOM!
&here you are ragging on Sandy Tanner. What a dumb ass! MORmON!
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian it must be extremely painful for you hearing your Lunatic MORmON founding *prophet* & his POS BOM discredited so completely & thoroughly & so READILY & so EASILY by such simple inspection. The BOM never really answered anything, it just rehashed the same old pat crap. For MORmONS thats a big time innovation, just as their POS CULT is a *restoration* -one that cant keep up with the original that MORmONS so foolishly label as hopelessly apostate & then run after.
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@ulisscarple "The BOM never really answered anything, " Yes it does, it has the fullness of the gospel, which you are clueless to what that is. but how about you go learn something useful, like the Theory of Evolution, or some astronomy??
Now extremely painful this: "I not only confess but I maintain, such a similitude of Plato's and John's Trinity doctrines as bespeaks a common origin." (Thirteenth letter to Dr. Priestley.)
Anyways
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian theONLY thing the BOM EVER really revealed was a nice start on the nearly impossible task of trying to define just how SICK&TWISTED POS PERVERT LUNATIC MORmON Founder Joseph Smith really was.The piddling religious *issues* that the BOM supposedly delves into
that you MORmONS see as so imperative are exercises in idiocy, &what the BOM really shows is that
while attempting to authoritatively lecture others on such matters,Smith didn't know much &he changed his mind!
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian speaking of the "fullness of the gospel",see how you MORmONS just throw words around &rape the language to get the desired outcome of the moment &then act like you have been really profound when what you have really done is just arrogantly spouted a lot of idiocy &then you want to be taken SO seriously when U R really just DUMB ASSES. the BOM does not contain any of the supposedly critical LDS temple ceremony. Now you'll go on&on talking CRAP to say it does not matter.
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@ulisscarple THe BOM contains the fullness of the Gospel, required to go to the celestial Kingdom. The Temple is for Exaltation, I am sorry, but you are clueless to what you are talking about, so much ignorance of your part. "PERVERT Joe Smith " I can prove with historical evidence that his motives were not lustful.
"The Greeks had a first God, and second God, and third God, and the second was begotten by the first. And yet for all that....they considered all these one."
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Oh yah! the good old MORmON word / term definition Jumble/MANGLE of "Salvation"/ "Exaltation" &whatever other LDS BS you can slide in there to keep things completely unsettled,while you also pull out Contrived BS LDS definitions to meet your immediate BS needs.Your banker should operate this way!
SO, Pervert Joe's philandering was not motivated by Lust? I only wish pervert Joe was here in person to RAPE all of your female kin while you *proved* that to us. MORmON!
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@ulisscarple "Its my new hobby"
First of all, I friendly recommend that you don't spend too much time with all this anti-mormon nonsense, its not good for you, get a life.
Second, Joseph Smith raped no one, and according to Historian Todd Compton, there is no evidence that he had sex with his youngest wife.
Dude, I know a lot more history than you, and if you think I can't defend my position, then you are just the typical anti-mormon street preacher, that thinks that he is always right.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian so you have real tall stack of books, &you think that means you know a lot , &yet you are still so STUPID that you cant figure out that Joe &his phantom gold plates is one of the LAMEST SCAMS ever.
"Second,Joe Smith raped no one, &according to Historian Todd Compton, there is no evidence that he had sex with his youngest wife."
The bikers want to NONrape you too,with a pick axe handle. According to them there will be no evidence afterward.U ready?
Better go hid
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I dont know how big your pile of books really is, but it probably isnt big enough, because you need enough books to hide behind that the bikers cant find your behind to do some Joe Smith style *celestial marrying* action on. & remember its not rape because they say so, just like Pervert Joe, LDS Inc &MORmON dumbasses like you say so in the aftermath of Joes holy work on his selected teen eternal brides.Funny how such an experience will teach you more than all those books!
ulisscarple 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian but if you are so keen on the BOM, then why dont you heed its content/message,it clearly condemns anything beyond simple belief/baptism ala the 4th LDS article of faith, but later on PERVERT Joe Smith comes up with his even more insane than the BOM LDS temple endowment -Full of secrecy &abomination that the BOM fully condemns, &it just does not register as a problem with you MORmONS. How can anyone else take your POS BOM seriously on these matters when you dont !
ulisscarple 6 months ago
Sun-god (father of Mithras) to pray saying:
[F]irst beginning of my beginning, ...spirit of spirit, the first spirit in me, ...now if it be your will, ...give me over to immortal birth and, following that, to my underlying nature, so that, after the present need which is pressing me exceedingly, I may gaze upon the immortal beginning with the immortal spirit, ...that I may be born again in thought." (Ibid, p. 682-684)
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
Read the book, thanks anyway. The book of Mormon is a lie from the pit!
bdplist 6 months ago
Is she a descendant of Brigham Young?
If so, she is rebealing to her own blood.
dorisfenella 7 months ago
@dorisfenella Y a usted que le importa si se esta revelando en contra de su propia sangre, muchas veces nuestras propias sangre son los responsables por estupideses.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan No me importa solo era curiosidad, no me sorprende despues de todo. Parece que a ti se te importa que yo haya preguntado. No te pregunte a ti.
dorisfenella 7 months ago
@dorisfenella Le dije que no esperara que nadie contestara cuando usted escriba algo, se acuerda? si su verdad es verdad, y no se puede questionar! nada la rompera, pero su verdad tiene tantos oyos negros, que nusted se da cuenta. Siga siendo mormona! Tal vez Maria guadalupe le pedira cuentas, mujer ciega.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan No tengo un pitbull con rabia para soltarte que este a tu nivel.
dorisfenella 7 months ago
@dorisfenella Repita despues de mi!! Yo se Yo se Yo se!! Diame! despues que la entrenan a decir, Yo se que Jose fue un prefeta, Que mas tiene q decir para entrar al cielo? pedirle permiso y un passaporte a Jose para entrar? From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, Journal of Discourses 7:289
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@dorisfenell Digame? que mas tengo que hacer para entrar al cielo, aparte de perdirle a jose un passaporte para entrar? Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja.... Vieja ciega.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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dorisfenella 7 months ago
@dorisfenella Mas yo si tengo un murcielago ciego como usted! Tal vez si estan en la misma cueva se pueden comunicar en la oscuridad, ya que los dos estan ciegos.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
READ THE BOOK OF MORMON!! THIS LADY AND ALL THE OTHER ANTI MORMONS DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO THAN BASH THE LDS CHURCH. READ THE BOOK FOR YOURSELF!
anzianocaple 7 months ago
Why doesn't a linguistical relationship exist between any native American language and ancient Egyptian or Hebrew? Not to be rude but mormons can't win the war there is far to much evidence against them they really do look like fools to outsiders these days.
wachnathan 8 months ago
@wachnathan not to mention that DNA shows american natives are of Asian decent.
HugeJohn51 8 months ago
@HugeJohn51 Yes indeed i do understand that the church is lying to themselves to deny the evidence brought forth i actually use to be mormon but i got crushed by the evidence and had no choice but to leave it behind theres no shame in going where the evidence takes us, thats my views.
wachnathan 8 months ago
@wachnathan lost civilization dvd dot com
TennesseeSaint 7 months ago
@TennesseeSaint Is it based on apologist or secular archeology? I only trust neutral archeology apologists tend to spin it off as evidence when its not they have no intentions of documenting what it actually is only how they can use it to support there book of mormon. Joesph Smith was investigated as a fraud and fabracator anyways every none mormon archeologist is convinced there is "no" evidence to support Joesphs claims so its really a waste of time to even watch the video!
wachnathan 7 months ago
The thing where I don't agree with mormons is where you can become gods or how you think Jesus and god are different and how you're justified by works and obedience and pre existence or baptism for the dead or where you HAVE to pay tithing to go to the temple being sealed or when you pray that book of mormon is true I'm good ill stay in the terrestrial kingdom according to you guys
theyoungstud420 8 months ago
All in 60 days Ms. Tanner he wrote all that. Jesus was born in LAND OF JERUSALEM, BETHLEHEM WAS IN THAT LAND (41/2 miles from the town of Jerusalem).
scottwins2 8 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved."
Joseph Smith
scottwins2 9 months ago
Was talking to a member in 1st Ward Fayetteville today and we were talking about members we both know from years ago . She told of one that came to Church on Memorial Day . He hasn't been to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints for 10 years . But decided it was time to come back . So there is hope for all of you . Good Luck . Take Care. There are simple answers to all of these questions but these anti guys don't want you to know that . Misery loves company I guess.
mollymu1 9 months ago 2
I'am exmormon and happy now
woodcchuck2020 9 months ago
@woodcchuck2020 Was talking to a member in 1st Ward Fayetteville today and we were talking about members we both know from years ago . She told of one that came to Church on Memorial Day . He hasn't been to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints for 10 years . But decided it was time to come back . So there is hope for all of you . Good Luck . Take Care. There are simple answers to all of these questions but these anti guys don't want you to know that . Misery loves company I guess.
mollymu1 9 months ago
One can have Hebrew ancestry and not be an active follower of the Jewish belief systems, Now as for the rest. This poor lady is mis informed, you can visit if you have the courage to, this blog which has a lot of information on it concerning the Natives of North,Central,South America's, and their traditions. some are not even related to any LDS church, just Archaeology & real history. hiddennorthamericanarchaeology blogspot com From here you can search other links on the topics.
kj7sea 9 months ago
@Gideon6640 To be a descendant of the Hebrew, Abraham does not mean one has to follow the laws that were given by Moses to direct the lives, the rituals, now outdated, as Christ came to fulfill the laws given, and he directed the Jews of his day to follow Him as he was the Messiah, see there are 2 accounts of the Messiah coming to Israel, the 1st he would be rejected then crucified, the 2nd when he will save Israel from all its enemies - the 2nd coming of the Book of Revelations.
kj7sea 9 months ago
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It is imperative that Christians preach against falsehood. Particularly against those religions that are obviously not Christian while claiming to be so. Jesus himself condemned the false and we must also. Mormonism is not christian and a campaign against it will continue until it falls -
54v115 9 months ago
@54v115 It never fails to amuse me when adherents of one religion claim that another is false. What evidence do you have that your religion is true? What evidence can you present that Jesus ever existed, since there's no contemporary sources that mention him? What about god himself? He's never been proven to exist.
Where does that leave you?
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader - you believe what ever you want to believe.. that is up to you... but if you're mormon.. don't claim to be Christian. What evidence do you have that your position is true? What evidence can you present? Jesus is recorded in Historical documents by both Christian and non- Christian Historians alike. Prove God doesn't exist.. off you go!
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 You're a fool; you choose to believe in the imagined fantasies of bronze age primitives, of the writings of men who decided to concoct a way to emotionally manipulate and mentally enslave their fellow tribesmen. It is not my job to prove that your claim is false, it is your job to provide evidence for that which you claim is true. And, actually, Jesus is most assuredly NOT recorded in any historical documents, neither Christian or non-Christian. Go ahead, off you go, look it up!
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader - Your not as powerful a speaker as you thought. You haven't proven anything. Not your job to prove?...lol.. prove your statement! As for calling me a fool..lol... you've already lost! .. Do you think you know me? Control yourself!
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 I only know you by your words, which are laughable. You are a feeble-minded mental midget that chooses to believe one set of man made fairy tales over another. Until you can prove that your particular version of fairy tales are true, you cannot begin claim that others' are false.
And, control myself? Or you're going to do what, exactly?
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader lol... can't control yourself?... you are sooo powerful.. a man your age.. A juvenile delinquent and an inadequate. Your family MUST be proud of you..lol. Probably an under achiever too. lol.. You haven't the capacity to prove your position... all you can turn to is school yard name calling. lol.. what a man...lol
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 When did I say I can't control myself? And, what does any of this have to do with your original position, that you believe that your unproven belief system is any better than anyone else's? How can you justify that? The bottom line is, you can not. However, you insist on acting out in childish ways, like making veiled threats here on YouTube. You need to grow up.
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader - explain yourself.. what threats are you talking about? I don't have to explain myself or my belief system to you. Who do you think you are? Works both ways doesn't it? So a stalemate... when I say control yourself.. why the insults?.. Why?.. you lack self control!.. 40 years of age, and the best your mind has to offer is to carousel insult after insult.. no facts... no eloquence, no structure to your position or opinion. You are so powerful... learn to control yourself!
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 So sad... your original position is that the Mormon's are "obviously not Christian," and that "a campaign against it will continue until it falls." You're a bully. You act like you have all the answers, because you believe in a different interpretation of a bronze age book written by desert dwelling nomads, one that starts with a story of a talking snake and ends with a story of a seven-headed dragon. Why do you choose to believe in such fairy tales? When will you grow up?
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader Mormonism is not Christian. They claim to be, but they do not follow Jesus Christ of the Bible. They claim Christianity as wholly theirs, and all of Christendom is false. They do not follow the teachings of Biblical doctrine. They aren't Christian and many millions of people who want to be are lead astray. WHO is the BULLY? If you're ABSOLUTELY secure in your belief.. then on you way and good luck to you. You try to insult me with your childish taunts..lol... WHO is trying to bully?
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 They aren't Christian? Why? Because YOU say so? Who else isn't... 7th Day Adventists? Jehovah's Witnesses? Catholics? Anabaptists? Swedenborgians? Christadelphians? Doukhobors? Molokans? Christian Scientists? Baptists? Lutherans? Syrian Orthodox? All of them claim to follow biblical doctrine. Are you going after them next? Your religious beliefs have filled you with hate and bigotry. You think you have authority because of the bible; you don't. You can't tell me, or anyone else, anything
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader - The real question is.. when will you grow up? If you disagree with a belief system which differs from your own - so be it. I believe in God.. can I call myself an Atheist akin to your position? No. Like wise, can I link your belief system with homosexual practice? No (or at least I shouldn't if I want to be taken as a mature, thinking, informed person). I can align myself with Christendom, Mormons cannot based on doctrinal differences and I have a right to state as much!
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Why do you think that I can have no say regarding your pedantic posts here? You're assaulting the belief system of the Mormons; I am questioning yours. How do you know what you believe is true? You have no evidence for it; no evidence that Jesus existed; no evidence for the existence of god; you don't know who wrote the Gospels; you don't know who wrote the Pentateuch. Your whole belief system is based on anonymously written fragments of ancient superstitious tribesmen. It's folly.
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader - you can state anything you wish... you can agree or disagree.. it's no sweat off my back.. care to prove your position? Or do you think the Big bang fact and not scientific theory? Care to put your beliefs in black and white? do you have any?... go for it! But in the end, if I'm right and you're wrong... someone may regret their position.. if you're right and I'm wrong.. it's a moot point...
54v115 8 months ago
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@54v115 Actually, it's YOU who has to prove YOUR position, since you're the one making outrageous claims. You have failed to provide any evidence at all. You hold some kind of christian belief, and seem to feel that it gives you the authority to make proclamations about other people's religious beliefs. It does not. When you attack others, don't be surprised that people may ask you questions, like I have. Your responses have been lacking; you have no position other than hatred and ignorance.
trekleader 8 months ago
@trekleader WRONG AGAIN! JESUS IS MENTIONED IN JOSEPHUS
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 When did Josephus live? 37 CE – 100 CE... When was the supposed life of Jesus? 7–2 BCE — 30–36 CE... Josephus was never alive during the time of your Jesus... what else do you have? Oh, that's right... NOTHING...
trekleader 8 months ago
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54v115 9 months ago
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Mormons are not racist, in fact, we absolutely love colored people and feel everyone should own one or two! You've got to admit, coloreds potty train faster than dogs, most of them anyway, lol!
Blacks are cursed and why everything they touch turns to dung.
There isn't a single black-controlled nation on this planet that is able to function, even at basic levels, without white intervention, laws and commerce.
I don't have to prove the "coloreds" are this or that or anything, just open your eyes.
Mormonites 10 months ago
@Gideon6640man I think she believs more lies about i LDS than most and takes heed and spreads more lies than most. Satan has always tried to destroy t the church. If people believe his lies and spread them then they are deceived, and thus do his work, probably unwittingly. I have too much proof that the Latter-Day Saints is the true church of the fullness of the gospel. I have exercised the priesthood power myself given authority, and have witnessed miracles, and know of it's power first hand.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
You can go to colleges of men and learn from men knowledge that has the perfection of men. You can call yourself a Christian, when what you should be calling yourself is a Saint (but not having the fullness you don't know any better). You can condemn others and bring forth disputations, which is not following the example that Jesus the Christ would have us follow. You can preach behind the symbol of Christ's death. (I personally hope Jesus never has to lay his eyes on an other cross ever again)
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
You can continue to do all of these things and much more, but you nor Satan will ever prevail against the one true and restored church of the fullness of the gospel. I suggest you take an other look at this gospel, with humility. Learn your facts from the church leaders rather than people who spread lies. Not with an attacking spirit. In other words if you cling to the lies and say: "What do you have to say about such and such!", you will never learn of the truth.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
If you were to be alive in Jerusalem, at the time of Christ, and if you had heard of a man that performed miracles and brought a message from God who was the messiah, but decided to go to the pharisees and ask them about this man, I'll bet they probably would have told you he was a false prophet and a blasphemer. They would have given you example after example of things that he was wrong about. But if you were to go to the source, Jesus himself you would hear the truth from the source of truth.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
@TennesseeSaint I like that . Will have to borrow it to use on other sites . NorthCarolinaSaint
mollymu1 9 months ago
@Gideon6640man I think she believs more lies about i LDS than most and takes heed and spreads more lies than most. Satan has always tried to destroy t the church. If people believe his lies and spread them then they are deceived, and thus do his work, probably unwittingly. I have too much proof that the Latter-Day Saints is the true church of the fullness of the gospel. I have exercised the priesthood power myself given authority, and have witnessed miracles, and know of it's power first hand.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
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TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
@Gideon6640man I have no idea what relevance your ancestors have in this conversation. Yeshua (meaning Savior in Hebrew or saving cry for help) means the same as the name Jesus in Greek (Savior kind of cool tat his name is really Savior not the other names) I would assume you should know that I was referring to the Pharisee having the incorrect gospel but I was wrong. You assumed I meant Jesus's Gospel, well, I meant the Pharisee's were incorrect. You however are like unto the Pharisees. Point
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
Also, TennesseeSaint: one of the MANY differences between Christianity and LDS is that there are no "doctrines too sacred to discuss outside the temple walls" in Christianity.
wannawatchu66 11 months ago
@wannawatchu66 But the word was delivered to the Saints! I AM a Latter-Day "Saint"! You are a self proclaimed "Christian". (....differences between Christianity and LDS) The term "Christian" was given by men to the saints. Acts 11:26. Are you a Christian? By mens interpretation, I am a Christian, because men called the Saints "Christians", and by the definition of Christ, I am a Saint. Men who proclaim to be a "Christian" are just that, having not the full knowledge of what they truly are.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
@TennesseeSaint No the difference is that you have another gospel,another Jesus and another Spirit form the Chrsitian one. As a Messianic I find your polytheism repulsive and insulting when you claim my ancestors are in any way connected to your "Prophet" who, btw, would have been stoned to death for blasphemy.You have burining in the bossom? so what? so do Muslims. Biblical truth is not subjective ,sorry.
Gideon6640man 10 months ago
@Gideon6640man Yeah the Pharisees felt the same way when Jesus proclaimed a different gospel that they had believed as well. It was prophesied that we would be hated for his names sake.... (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does bear his name)
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
From TennesseeSaint:
"Does the Bible say 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations about false religions, exhorting them to seek evidence from sources unfriendly to their gospel?'"
Ever read Jude 3, where we're exhorted to "earnestly contend for the faith...once delivered to the saints?"
"Controversy for the sake of controversy is sin. Controversy for the sake of truth is a *Divine Command*." --Dr. Walter Martin
Investigating and refuting LDS lies isn't "sad," it's biblical.
wannawatchu66 11 months ago
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TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
@wannawatchu66 To contend for the faith means to debate and to prove your faith when others attack it. Not to go and attack an others false faith. This is what I do now. This page is attacking the one true faith, and I contend for it. I don't go to attack others faiths.
TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
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TennesseeSaint 10 months ago
I know a mormon seminary teacher who claims to have 'studied' the bible.. i asked her to read some of it to me the way she studies it... she couldn't pronounce many of the words and she couldn't link many contiguous verses.... what the does that tell you about her comprehension? worse still.. she teaches others - Shit man! For those mormons out there.. use an appropriate dictionary as you read 'critically'... or do you just ask to see the video again?
54v115 11 months ago
Well done Sandra... best to show the Mormons for what they are and what they are not... mormonism is a fiction that needs to be made public... it's riddled with crackerjack disney doctrine... People, rather you find Mrs Beetons Cookbook than Josephs best seller. well it would have been if he could have secured his patent on his book... mormons usually have hearts of gold... but they are the most dim witted and uneducated people I have ever known ...
54v115 11 months ago
Talk about false teachers.Has this woman preacher not read:1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to bein silence.I know all the arguments:God called you to preach,had to obey,that was cultural/historical.I've heard it all. No, God didn't call you because He said he wouldn't right there in that verse from His word. So whomever called you it wasn't God. I wish people would just say they don't agree or wish to obey God instead of justifying sin.
Ebeneezerable 11 months ago
@Ebeneezerable She is not a preacher, she is a guest speaker exposing a false prophet. Of course if you can produce her credentials as a preacher from a church.. funny thing about LDS is when confronted with their own prophets words in context,the actual Church documents,books etc.... you attack the person who just brings it to your attention...hmmmmm what does that sound like? Jim Jones,David Koresh..etc.. maybe? Agree? your Church calls all churches besides theirs false so what? hypocrisy.
Gideon6640man 10 months ago
Calling all Mormons. Come back to Jesus . Read the history on Smith, who was a murderer , adulterer, mason, talisman collector , metal detector, paedophile , arsonist S O A Bitch.
martinh103 11 months ago