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What the heck are you even talking about? Ret Pally's DO NOT run out of mana, i can spam ALL of my skills including consecration and not run out of mana. You obviously cant play a pally
If your talkin to me, don't be a dumb shit. Holy fuck, this video was made A YEAR AGO!#% I'm not talking about wow as it is now. Jesus tap-dancing christ.
@c1l4c10n Lol, I have 2 pieces tier 10 and what is not tier 10 is 251 or 264 iLevel gear and I never go OOM + Im doing about 8k DPS on bosses in ICC except Lady when fightning adds and about 15k DPS on trash.. Only suckers run OOM... beh
How retarded are you? The video was not only talking about 3.0 vs 2.4, but how could a wrath pally 'not know how to play'? All you did was slap buttons. It was LITERALLY impossible to fuck it up.
Leveling speed is irrelevant, as long as your having fun doing it. I know plenty of people who leveled as prot, and they loved it, it worked great. youtube(dot)com/wowhobbs for example!
I had Leader of the Pack from a druid that was grouped with me. Every other buff was a self-buff. Aaaand... there wasn't ever a hunter's mark... on the mob... Did you watch the video? lol.. Those red cross-swords that occasionally appear are a trinket proc, if thats what your confusing.
Yes. Which is also why I comment on my DPS Pre-WotLK. I mention DPS with and without HoW spamming. It's a comparison of DPS with the ability to use HoW.
My main used to be a hunter he's now 73 and retired, I might get him to 80 for dailies but thats it. I leveled a paladin from around level 25 to 65 in a week and a half, very easy class to level, so if you want it to be a main for you, I would highly reccomend it :) I went prot at 62 so I could get Petrified Lichen Guard and that helps AOE grinding a lot, 60-65 is easy vulture grinding in Hellfire :)
you can see where the 2 auras are coming from, he has them both highlighted on his actionbars...bug has been around forever and crops up every so often, once i had all my resist auras up and sanctity. Fun times.
I guess I can't prove it, because iMovie cut off the sides of the video. (I chose that over cutting the top/bottom off so you could see my action bars). But I'm grouped with a druid. That second Aura, is a glitch in the PTR.. both of those were from me when I logged on, haha. :S
This was a test realm which includes it's wealth of glitches. I logged on with Crusader, and when I tried to switch it to Retribution Auta, it simply stacked instead of replacing Crusader. It was pretty odd.
agree with the leveling scaling, i need to get hit capped agian >:( and my haste is fading away i will have to give up my epics :( also nice damage ^^ and cool song :D
Hehe, astute observation. I'm currently lvl77... and it's rather upsetting. With the leveling scaling, my crit and hit continuously get worse every level. Down to 25%crit from 34% :S /sigh, sad times sad times...
Wow, i was so excited before the patch, ZOMG MY SHADOWPRIEST IS GONNA OWN!!! (warsong gulch) LETS DO IT!!!!! (Mindblast) Hey look at this nub ass holy paladin, (You die). WTF?
Okay lets try this again, (mindblast), hey look a nub mage!! haha u want some of this? (You die) Wtf?
and before the blame... Yes i do have a Ret paladin and yes i topped the DPS charts on raids before the last patch, Yes outdpsing rogues and mages during SWP release as a ret paladin was serious business back then
Theres no reason to include Consecration in your PvE DPS rotation in raids/5 mans anymore, in fact, in a PvE situation Consecration shud be used just by Prot paladins for tanking purposes, in this case threat generation. Dont be a scrub and learn your role, as a ret paladin learn 2 DPS. Unfortunately since the last patch; there are a lot of hyped scrubs, wearing crappy welfare epics from Bgs and 2 shoting stuff around pretending to be Cloud or Sephirot.
JVlaSSawhatever. Did you really just try to talk right now? Give me a GOOD reason why not to include Consecration in a PvE rotation? In longer fights, it's very easy to weave it into your spell rotations when everything else is on CD. Blizzard has designed our mana consumption to allow Consecrate to be mana-viable lvl71-80. It's an EASY 200+ extra DPS. What kind of scrub retard wouldn't even consider using it? Christ, I certainly hope you DON'T have a paladin, just for your sake...
i love how some people say pallys arent op'd but thats only cause they own a 70 pally and dont want their advantage taken away. i know that if mages became op'd id say they werent.
I own a pally, as you know, and I assure you "WE ARE/WERE" VERY OP. But I also must mention, that Arcane Mages are OP in my opinion. The damage Barrage, Blast, and Arcane Missiles do is ridiculous!
wowplaya101 and IcYDaSnOwMaN thats exactly the comments to expect from pala owners... if u spec totally on DPS its fine. not saying palas shouldnt be able to do so. but ffs.. wearing plate? bubble? and heal? as a DPS spec? thats fucked up. and comparing the healing with shammy and druid is useless cause palas can heal in bubble... out of the harms way... well im waiting for u to start the QQ spam on trade after u get fucked ^^ oh and 1 more thing. Lay on hands.. long CD but still.. no mana? pot?
Hello Mazoni. I appreciate your comment, regardless of how flaming it is. We still haven't received the "HEAVY nerf-bat". But I assure you, it's coming. It's main intention is to drastically reduce our "burstyness" in PvP, however as I said, it will not directly effect our DPS. In a PvE sense, it will effect the amount of damage we do, considering we won't be able to "burst" as much on low-health trash. Blizzard plans all classes/specs to have similar DPS.
However, they have also said, that if a "Hybrid" class and "Pure-DPS" class have equal gear and skill, that the pure-dps class "should" come out "slightly" ahead. I'm assuming like 1%-5% difference in damage. Finally to counter your claim. While you are correct, "Paladins aint DPS class". But Retribution IS a DPS-Spec and similarly, should equal all other DPS specs/classes.
wow mazoni, roll a paladin and see how difficult it was to play one before all this new stuff. dont gimmie that shit that there OP, its now balanced to keep up with other classes, GTFO kthxbai
Hello warrior4ever1992. As Deadtyper and darwolff032 have said. Hybrid classes with DPS specs are hear to stay. It will now depend on skill/gear rather than class limitations on who is, as I quote, "near top dps in pvp or pve".
Skeletal1989 says, "If you avoid using concecration you should not go OOM at all with pretty much full dps". Blizzard recently released information. With our upcoming nerfs, we should maintain our mana using "CS, DS, Judgment/Seal" but if we use anything else "heals, HoW, Consecration, etc.." that our mana should begin to Dip. However, if we should be able to spam Consecration while using Divine Plea to maintain mana.
Actually, it is pretty balanced. I say "pretty" because, the Nerf Bat is coming. Blizzard is satisfied with our DPS, they will not change this. They are, however, upset with our "burstyness" in PvP. This "burstyness" also does give us the upper-hand in PvE with low-health trash that dies to quickly for casters to get enough casts out. Otherwise, I have played in Raids in the LIve 3.0.2... and (yes I'm always on top) but it's been relatively close to all other DPS. We're on PAR, thats fair
well duhhhh this is a no brainer of course your going to get amazing dps if the enemy your fighting is always at 1% health so you can spam HoW and also 20 levels under you = like a 10% crit bonus. This video is dumb if you want to clock dps show it on a target dummy not an enemy that is low level and constantly has 1% health.
Yes Sir. Note: Hammer of Wrath was NOT an effective DPS spammable ability in Pre-3.0. Consider a boss with less than 20% HP. ((This can still be like a 5+ min fight)). the .5sec cast interrupted your Auto Swing, and ended up being a loss of DPS, and if you timed it just right with your swing, it would simply be a ill-use of mana. It just wasn't plausible. This shows, that HoW is COMPLETELY Viable for PvE now, I use it ALL the time! :)
With 3.0.2 There is lots that reduced the pallys major mana drain, Like 10% reduced mana instant cast etc..But mainly Pallys are all around better, But that goes for all classes.
Yeap douxhebag, as Mikeyinlalaland said. We have some good talents, the main one being "Jugement of the Wise". It currently restores 33% of the paladin's base mana back to the paladin. (900ish mana every 8secs for me). So we can easily take long fights without loss of mana.
Dont worry everyone pallies are getting the nerf bat thrown at them jsut let them have this month in the sun before they get nrefed back to a useless class in wotlk :P lol
Yes,its a 68 or something like that if i can remember correctly,though Ally's can use this weap and haste rating it just wont work with haste :) And "Kryptonytte" actully i dident say that SoC woulden't proc,I said that it wont be effected by haste,perhaps i wasen't clrear enough. Anyway good movie :P
That 2H sucks hard for Ally ret paladins (Well untill they get the SoB as we Belfs have) becuse it has haste rating on it and SoC wont proc on haste since it got a timed proc but SoB has an 100% proc. Still nice dmg tho and i use that weap alot even in grinding etc (i dont use SoB when grindning but who does?)
Just a waste of Badges if ur PvPing with that weap or PvEing with it as ally at this moment.
Hey Ovicide. Actually, I am using the Seal of Blood equivalent in this video, right now... Seal of the Martyr. This is my PvE weapon for now, and you are correct, haste is a pretty poor stat to itemize in without Seal of Blood/Martyr. Alliance Pallies now get it at lvl68ish?
Judgement has been replaced with Judgement of the Wisdom/Justice/Light. So you can cast whichever judgement you wish, without having to reactivate a different seal
isnt this a bit misleading? This mob is below 35% hp and doesnt die. This mean that the pala can spam HoW every 6 seconds to maintain a dps that is about 400 higher that it would be under normal circumstances
paladins FTW...people should get it into their mind that 90% of pallys are very very retarded and really dont know how to play their toon.so those who talk shit pallys can DPS just as good as any class with the equal gear. NICE VIDEO nice DPS man
True. I guess my point was that a Pure DPS was Pure, not because of their utility, but because they can do nothing but DPS, unlike a hybrid which can tank and/or heal. But very good point that utility is no longer a unique thing to specific classes. :D
I wish I could say I had to think deeply about this, but I cannot. A Blood Elf paladin, no shit, they do moarrr DPS? nowai? Seal of Blood and the possibility of Seal-Twisting, of coarse you'll see ret paladin's top DPS like that in Sunwell gear, and full raid buffs, no shit!? I may have "shitty" gear Iyo, but this video simply shows a relative DPS comparison. All pallies can expect to also double/triple their DPS in live vs Beta, regardless if they have sunwell gear or not.
Alliance are getting Seal of the Martyr, the alliance clone of Seal of Blood. In the same way, Blood Elves are getting Seal of Corruption, which is similar to the alliance's Seal of Vengeance. In other words, Blood Elves can tank, and alliance can DPS.
I lold because he's hitting a level what target? below 60? with SHITTY armor. I do 2.2k+ self buffed with my enhance shammy on level 70 dummies and see well geared ret pallies on 70 dummies doing max 2400 with CD's (WHILE THEY ARE HITTING EVERY DUMMY WITH DIVINE STORM). I do 2000-2300 dps single target. A friend of mine that has been playing pallies for years assured me that dps will average out with other classes @ 80. Remember.. These talents are meant to be used on a level 80.
/sigh, do we really need to have this conversation. I guess so.... I'm going to try my best to not make you sound like a retard, but that'll be a difficult feat to accomplish. Also, I'd like to congratulate you on your ability to read and observe the purpose of this video. The DPS in this video is relative to paladins only, showing the comparison of Live vs. Beta. I assumed you'd be able to induce that the purpose of the low level is to maximize mana consumption for the mana test portion.
Your DPS is completely irrelevant because it isn't a genuine comparison. Sincerely, unless your gear is identical to whomever your comparing too (apparently me), then you just need not to speak, and you especially need not to speak redundantly. As I've already said in previous posts in my video, yeah, all DPS classes/specs will have similar to equal DPS. I'm glad your just figuring this out now. :/ All your argument is, is that you have better gear. GRATZ, I wonder how you did that..
P.S. Remember.. These talents are specialized to be used AS a level 80 in level 80 gear.. and it just so happens indirectly, to be used on level 80-boss level targets.
It's rather incredible. The magic of video, especially on YouTube.. is there is this thing called a "Play/Pause" button. The idea being... you can ACTUALLY pause the video if you care about the text.. And if you don't care about the text, you can just ignore it while it gets of your way.
After fifteen minutes of testing on the level 70 target dummy, which unfortunately I didn't document since it was for personal knowledge, I found it is possible to go OOM with a damage rotation of Seal of Command(Because I didn't feel like wasting global CDs on healing) Crusader Strike, Judgement, Divine Storm, and Consecrate on every CD. Of course, even once you go OOM so long as you used Judgement of Wisdom you can just beat on him for a second or
I obviously did not use Hammer of Wrath in my rotation, I also didn't use Avenging Wrath, so during my next test I'll be using that on every CD to see what the increase is.
Umm you said that your calculated dps had Hammer of Wrath in your rotation.. Do it without that, because up until 35% on a boss you wont have that, and usually up till that point is where you want to see your numbers.
right. My DPS wouldn't' be nearly as high without it. But to be fair I did do a direct comparison on current Live Servers and also had Hammer of Wrath in that rotation as well. While this isn't COMPLETELY accurate for "typical" dps, it is accurate relatively (Live w/ HoW vs Beta w/ HoW). I'll have to try it without, but with this video, I just wanted to max my numbers with as many abilities as I could, and test mana regen, by spamming everything I could.
Viva0. I want to disagree. Patch 3.0.2 will be released, around Oct. 14th (in one week). Blizzard is finished making any significant or drastic changes. While Pallies seem OP now, they are very balanced and equal to most other classes. Any changes blizzard makes now, are very FINE tuning.
Dude seriously Blizzard won't triple your damage, yeah I know its because you now have a lot of intellect on your gear and you already got your high rank spells. And if I remember right this damage already has been reduced on the beta. If Blizzard wants to have any balance in the last month of TBC they will lower the damage or just add extra ranks, Blizzard has a tendency of making a class look incredeble and then nerfing them in the ground. Even though I don't care, paladins are easy to kite.
I really did like wow, but now, I dont know about I still does.
mattilind123 11 months ago
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geraldinewilliamsbd 1 year ago
my pala is 70 and call pull up to 3,5k ^^
Facegrindar 1 year ago
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c1l4c10n 2 years ago
lol and he's beating a 50 something mob
LinkLover892 2 years ago
@c1l4c10n Now it is mother fucka!
Wilsonaire 1 year ago
looks like faceroll to play a retardin
Doofchiller 2 years ago
awesome music
Cameego 2 years ago
:D
nice video
nice song :D
69nanon69 2 years ago
the 40% chance on devine storm reset in 3.3 is really nice
Baladashmalanore 2 years ago
Yeah, last year mana wasnt too smooth for ter pallies. NOW, we have judgements, seals, and Divine whatever.
colton759153 2 years ago
What the heck are you even talking about? Ret Pally's DO NOT run out of mana, i can spam ALL of my skills including consecration and not run out of mana. You obviously cant play a pally
VKGchaos 2 years ago
If your talkin to me, don't be a dumb shit. Holy fuck, this video was made A YEAR AGO!#% I'm not talking about wow as it is now. Jesus tap-dancing christ.
Wilsonaire 2 years ago 5
even then, you shouldnt go OOM
PivotMaker126 2 years ago
@Wilsonaire
XDDD
KFChater 2 years ago
@Wilsonaire lol...Jesus tap-dancing christ.
ohmybuddah1 2 years ago 2
@Wilsonaire Just had to thumps-up this for 'jesus tap-dancing christ' ;)
Fangelus 1 year ago
@VKGchaos you idiot paladins run fast out of mana with tier10 , and if you dont ,your dps wouldnt be high
c1l4c10n 1 year ago
@c1l4c10n Lol, I have 2 pieces tier 10 and what is not tier 10 is 251 or 264 iLevel gear and I never go OOM + Im doing about 8k DPS on bosses in ICC except Lady when fightning adds and about 15k DPS on trash.. Only suckers run OOM... beh
jamieownyou 1 year ago
@c1l4c10n Even with the DS resetting.
jamieownyou 1 year ago
@VKGchaos This was back in the days when WoW wasn't totally destroyed yet.
Torkan91 1 year ago
@VKGchaos Still there is no skill to play pally
nomogorcio 1 year ago
@VKGchaos
How retarded are you? The video was not only talking about 3.0 vs 2.4, but how could a wrath pally 'not know how to play'? All you did was slap buttons. It was LITERALLY impossible to fuck it up.
derpguyjohn 7 months ago
/salute Seal of Martyr. You will be missed.
GreenMarine300 2 years ago 4
Rest in peace Seal of martyr ;/
vallisss 2 years ago 3
haha and now after 3.2 its down to 1k again i gues
lamx12345 2 years ago
lol this song is sweet :P name?
Wizhix 2 years ago
I have it in the video comments silly goose. Music: Suburban Knights - Hard-Fi
(Beginning: Price is Right Theme Song)
Wilsonaire 2 years ago
lol haha sorry and thanks, i usually check videoinfo first ;) lol
Wizhix 2 years ago
eeh i have a 75 pally and i personaly hate Ret i think its so boring, but the crits are nice so im lvling him prot which i LOVE lol
Backhymen 3 years ago
stupid you would be 80 by now if u were ret
PowerHold37 2 years ago 2
Leveling speed is irrelevant, as long as your having fun doing it. I know plenty of people who leveled as prot, and they loved it, it worked great. youtube(dot)com/wowhobbs for example!
Wilsonaire 2 years ago
Lol im stupid because i rather have fun with my toon and enjoy the new content then just blow threw it all in a week?
Backhymen 2 years ago
alot of buffs plus prob imp hunters mark? lol
zbeste13 3 years ago
I had Leader of the Pack from a druid that was grouped with me. Every other buff was a self-buff. Aaaand... there wasn't ever a hunter's mark... on the mob... Did you watch the video? lol.. Those red cross-swords that occasionally appear are a trinket proc, if thats what your confusing.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
That must be it, my bad.... just seemed to make sence at the time cuz theres that cat attacking the mob so... just thought, its w/e tho, nice dps
zbeste13 3 years ago
Yes. Which is also why I comment on my DPS Pre-WotLK. I mention DPS with and without HoW spamming. It's a comparison of DPS with the ability to use HoW.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
i hate those hard to kill orcs to thay piss me off because im lvl 80 DK and there lvl 57 and i can't kill them XD
xXErringHigenXx 3 years ago
still wish i had made my main a pally :P lol
they just seem more fun than warriors :P
angustherule 3 years ago
My main used to be a hunter he's now 73 and retired, I might get him to 80 for dailies but thats it. I leveled a paladin from around level 25 to 65 in a week and a half, very easy class to level, so if you want it to be a main for you, I would highly reccomend it :) I went prot at 62 so I could get Petrified Lichen Guard and that helps AOE grinding a lot, 60-65 is easy vulture grinding in Hellfire :)
NikonLifer 3 years ago
:) I agree, Paladins were a GREAT time! I miss mine. :'(
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
ye that druid gives nice +5% crit aura too
gravehilljh 3 years ago
you can see where the 2 auras are coming from, he has them both highlighted on his actionbars...bug has been around forever and crops up every so often, once i had all my resist auras up and sanctity. Fun times.
nakkinator 3 years ago
nerfed to the ground..
Seguris 3 years ago
I guess I can't prove it, because iMovie cut off the sides of the video. (I chose that over cutting the top/bottom off so you could see my action bars). But I'm grouped with a druid. That second Aura, is a glitch in the PTR.. both of those were from me when I logged on, haha. :S
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
ofc u can prove it, if you look at your auras bar, you can see retribution and crusader are both enabled.
Xlakt 2 years ago
This was a test realm which includes it's wealth of glitches. I logged on with Crusader, and when I tried to switch it to Retribution Auta, it simply stacked instead of replacing Crusader. It was pretty odd.
Wilsonaire 2 years ago
blade of harbrangers nice.
swordguy6 3 years ago
nice song :D
Alkonon 3 years ago
agree with the leveling scaling, i need to get hit capped agian >:( and my haste is fading away i will have to give up my epics :( also nice damage ^^ and cool song :D
madassmic 3 years ago
Not only that but he has Faerie Fire armor debuff on mob with Druid+5% crit
Vodkadin- Fresh Ret (lv75atm) in mostly blues that would be t4 equiv (2100AP 150Hit 22%crit)
Highest DPS without trinkets or avenging wrath was 1320. (Seal of Blood)
Sustained Quest grinding DPS was 900 (Seal of Command)
morfrawr 3 years ago
Hehe, astute observation. I'm currently lvl77... and it's rather upsetting. With the leveling scaling, my crit and hit continuously get worse every level. Down to 25%crit from 34% :S /sigh, sad times sad times...
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
He can ONLY be killed via a quest item I believe.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
considering that is a green 62ish.. its why you're hitting that hard.. but generally we hit slightly lower on 70's... but nonetheless.. still nuts.
KomRade493 3 years ago
i can tell you right now that he wont crit as often against a lvl 70 target (the one he is fighting is lvl 60)
pearcake 3 years ago
damn..i think in wotlk paly and mele shamans are overpowered
Exoime 3 years ago
Dude, they didn't really get nerfed, but mana nerf... 33% to 15% and then they hotfixed AW so its no biggy, i still rape.
baseball1441 3 years ago
3.0.3 ret paladins got a big nerf i still 2 shot s4 geared elamental shamans tho haha
joelwalsh07 3 years ago
Wow, i was so excited before the patch, ZOMG MY SHADOWPRIEST IS GONNA OWN!!! (warsong gulch) LETS DO IT!!!!! (Mindblast) Hey look at this nub ass holy paladin, (You die). WTF?
Okay lets try this again, (mindblast), hey look a nub mage!! haha u want some of this? (You die) Wtf?
Ever since i went discipline
I love blizzard.
SomeComAddict 3 years ago
Haha, thats a really sad yet funny story. :S
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Yea ret pallies just got another nerf :<
kallinadelacruix 3 years ago
i fricken hate mages!!!
aimlowforpride 3 years ago
what if blizzard gave ret paladins reckoning bomb back, the spell, and they were this overpowered!! could you imagine that?
GordonFreeman70 3 years ago
GordonFreeman70! THAT WOULD BE AMAZING! lmao. I hadn't even thought of that. Back at lvl60, I was specced a Reckadin, and I loved it!
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Ret paladins need to just be overpowered and stay that way. Screw deathknights, they dont seem that fun anyway.
GordonFreeman70 3 years ago
and before the blame... Yes i do have a Ret paladin and yes i topped the DPS charts on raids before the last patch, Yes outdpsing rogues and mages during SWP release as a ret paladin was serious business back then
JVlaSSaCrE 3 years ago
Theres no reason to include Consecration in your PvE DPS rotation in raids/5 mans anymore, in fact, in a PvE situation Consecration shud be used just by Prot paladins for tanking purposes, in this case threat generation. Dont be a scrub and learn your role, as a ret paladin learn 2 DPS. Unfortunately since the last patch; there are a lot of hyped scrubs, wearing crappy welfare epics from Bgs and 2 shoting stuff around pretending to be Cloud or Sephirot.
JVlaSSaCrE 3 years ago
JVlaSSawhatever. Did you really just try to talk right now? Give me a GOOD reason why not to include Consecration in a PvE rotation? In longer fights, it's very easy to weave it into your spell rotations when everything else is on CD. Blizzard has designed our mana consumption to allow Consecrate to be mana-viable lvl71-80. It's an EASY 200+ extra DPS. What kind of scrub retard wouldn't even consider using it? Christ, I certainly hope you DON'T have a paladin, just for your sake...
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
yea i agree and the fact that pally never go oom (The 33% mana thing on judgements) helps consecration too
pearcake 3 years ago
i love how some people say pallys arent op'd but thats only cause they own a 70 pally and dont want their advantage taken away. i know that if mages became op'd id say they werent.
jfuckinr13579 3 years ago
I own a pally, as you know, and I assure you "WE ARE/WERE" VERY OP. But I also must mention, that Arcane Mages are OP in my opinion. The damage Barrage, Blast, and Arcane Missiles do is ridiculous!
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
wowplaya101 and IcYDaSnOwMaN thats exactly the comments to expect from pala owners... if u spec totally on DPS its fine. not saying palas shouldnt be able to do so. but ffs.. wearing plate? bubble? and heal? as a DPS spec? thats fucked up. and comparing the healing with shammy and druid is useless cause palas can heal in bubble... out of the harms way... well im waiting for u to start the QQ spam on trade after u get fucked ^^ oh and 1 more thing. Lay on hands.. long CD but still.. no mana? pot?
Mazoni 3 years ago
Hello Mazoni. I appreciate your comment, regardless of how flaming it is. We still haven't received the "HEAVY nerf-bat". But I assure you, it's coming. It's main intention is to drastically reduce our "burstyness" in PvP, however as I said, it will not directly effect our DPS. In a PvE sense, it will effect the amount of damage we do, considering we won't be able to "burst" as much on low-health trash. Blizzard plans all classes/specs to have similar DPS.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
However, they have also said, that if a "Hybrid" class and "Pure-DPS" class have equal gear and skill, that the pure-dps class "should" come out "slightly" ahead. I'm assuming like 1%-5% difference in damage. Finally to counter your claim. While you are correct, "Paladins aint DPS class". But Retribution IS a DPS-Spec and similarly, should equal all other DPS specs/classes.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Wilsonaire u serious?
"Actually, it is pretty balanced. I say "pretty" because, the Nerf Bat is coming. Blizzard is satisfied with our DPS, they will not change this."
"....) but it's been relatively close to all other DPS. We're on PAR, thats fair"
Paladin aint DPS class.. and wont stay as one for long. u thin its balanced now? that u can heal+bubble+use plate+shield+outdps DPS classes?
Sure give my warrior heals and bubbles and then were balanced... and rogue needs plate.. ^^
Mazoni 3 years ago
wow mazoni, roll a paladin and see how difficult it was to play one before all this new stuff. dont gimmie that shit that there OP, its now balanced to keep up with other classes, GTFO kthxbai
wowplaya101 3 years ago
LMAO you guys are gonna get nerfed the fuck out
your a hybrid class dont expect to be anywhere near top dps in pvp or pve
warrior4ever1992 3 years ago
I';ve seen the nerf..it's not much
Deadtyper 3 years ago
I also have a shaman, which is also a hybrid class, i somehow always come top in damage in pvp and top 5 in PvE
Deadtyper 3 years ago
Hello warrior4ever1992. As Deadtyper and darwolff032 have said. Hybrid classes with DPS specs are hear to stay. It will now depend on skill/gear rather than class limitations on who is, as I quote, "near top dps in pvp or pve".
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
If you avoid using concecration you should not go OOM at all with pretty much full dps
Skeletal1989 3 years ago
Skeletal1989 says, "If you avoid using concecration you should not go OOM at all with pretty much full dps". Blizzard recently released information. With our upcoming nerfs, we should maintain our mana using "CS, DS, Judgment/Seal" but if we use anything else "heals, HoW, Consecration, etc.." that our mana should begin to Dip. However, if we should be able to spam Consecration while using Divine Plea to maintain mana.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
does seal of blood works well as ret too?
236andre 3 years ago
Seal of Blood(Seal of Martyr) is the Retribution Spec's Best PvE Damage Seal. Yeap yeap.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
I like the SoC still myself with the extra 20% chance of proc from glyph it does well in PvE
Skeletal1989 3 years ago
yet another whiner...
Ret pallys can " efficiently heal and tank "? what are you smoking. yea may be they can tank 20 lvls lower mobs and a hogger. nub
Verbotten 3 years ago
i dont think its right that a class that can efficiently heal and tank should be able to out dps pure dps classes, its not balanced at all gg blizz
bobfordeez 3 years ago
Actually, it is pretty balanced. I say "pretty" because, the Nerf Bat is coming. Blizzard is satisfied with our DPS, they will not change this. They are, however, upset with our "burstyness" in PvP. This "burstyness" also does give us the upper-hand in PvE with low-health trash that dies to quickly for casters to get enough casts out. Otherwise, I have played in Raids in the LIve 3.0.2... and (yes I'm always on top) but it's been relatively close to all other DPS. We're on PAR, thats fair
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
well duhhhh this is a no brainer of course your going to get amazing dps if the enemy your fighting is always at 1% health so you can spam HoW and also 20 levels under you = like a 10% crit bonus. This video is dumb if you want to clock dps show it on a target dummy not an enemy that is low level and constantly has 1% health.
voyager71390 3 years ago
your getting alot more dps because of hammer of wrath.if you didnt have that u would get a lot less dps.
XxflamingarrowxX 3 years ago
Yes Sir. Note: Hammer of Wrath was NOT an effective DPS spammable ability in Pre-3.0. Consider a boss with less than 20% HP. ((This can still be like a 5+ min fight)). the .5sec cast interrupted your Auto Swing, and ended up being a loss of DPS, and if you timed it just right with your swing, it would simply be a ill-use of mana. It just wasn't plausible. This shows, that HoW is COMPLETELY Viable for PvE now, I use it ALL the time! :)
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
if you think they gonna nerf pallies much its not true! go read just repetance -4sec art of war was 10-20% now its 4-8%
XaXaLd 3 years ago
/cry
really, even with cloth armor they would compete with most of the classes now
l33tKiRa 3 years ago
wait why dont ur mana go down? and where is that guy i wanna try my skills on him :)
douxhebag 3 years ago
With 3.0.2 There is lots that reduced the pallys major mana drain, Like 10% reduced mana instant cast etc..But mainly Pallys are all around better, But that goes for all classes.
mikeyinlalaland 3 years ago
Yeap douxhebag, as Mikeyinlalaland said. We have some good talents, the main one being "Jugement of the Wise". It currently restores 33% of the paladin's base mana back to the paladin. (900ish mana every 8secs for me). So we can easily take long fights without loss of mana.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
dude you fucking rock!!!!
DeltaCvC77 3 years ago
All i see is QQ
zyberamir12 3 years ago
"All i see is QQ"
and all i see is a retfag wanting to be overpowered so he can own everything all the time
similar to how the pyro was pre-nerf in tf2
eatingfatty 3 years ago
Dont worry everyone pallies are getting the nerf bat thrown at them jsut let them have this month in the sun before they get nrefed back to a useless class in wotlk :P lol
Backhymen 3 years ago
they dident nerf it too much :P, i still say they pretty much still op ^^
shadowseer92 3 years ago
Dont worry plenty of time before wrath for nerfs, trust me they will get nerfed soon.
adamos15 3 years ago
ull be suprised, today i read a gm say that note: pallies are not getting nerfed but they are getting crusader strike rank 2. so HA!
pivotguy234 3 years ago
I love how you talk bullshit .. blizzard already confirmed that there will be a nerf you can look it up
tink>talk next time pls
Weemanclub 3 years ago
NERF
ashf1804 3 years ago
warlocks got nerfed the most hope they can do seryz bznz at 80
jklittlemf 3 years ago
they will, even more than they raped in TBC, destro is going to be something serious
faithlessleap 3 years ago
NERF
negahnepoc2005 3 years ago
Yes,its a 68 or something like that if i can remember correctly,though Ally's can use this weap and haste rating it just wont work with haste :) And "Kryptonytte" actully i dident say that SoC woulden't proc,I said that it wont be effected by haste,perhaps i wasen't clrear enough. Anyway good movie :P
Ovicide 3 years ago
pallies better get nerfed lol, pvp sucks right now.
72atthebeach 3 years ago
It sucked before anyways, might aswell let long forgotten class shine for while. Resto Druiding is seriouz business.
XGurthangX 3 years ago
it didnt suck before.
72atthebeach 3 years ago
That 2H sucks hard for Ally ret paladins (Well untill they get the SoB as we Belfs have) becuse it has haste rating on it and SoC wont proc on haste since it got a timed proc but SoB has an 100% proc. Still nice dmg tho and i use that weap alot even in grinding etc (i dont use SoB when grindning but who does?)
Just a waste of Badges if ur PvPing with that weap or PvEing with it as ally at this moment.
Well have fun with SoB when u get it ^^
Bittrah / Sylvanas EU :)
Ovicide 3 years ago
Timed proc lol :P get a clue. SoC WILL proc.
Kryptonytte 3 years ago
Hey Ovicide. Actually, I am using the Seal of Blood equivalent in this video, right now... Seal of the Martyr. This is my PvE weapon for now, and you are correct, haste is a pretty poor stat to itemize in without Seal of Blood/Martyr. Alliance Pallies now get it at lvl68ish?
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
im just happy to see that my 2 favourite classes pally and resto druid are getting streamlined with other healing/dps/tank classes in wotlk.
zday40k 3 years ago
why do you have red yellow and blue judgement icons?
Deadtyper 3 years ago
Judgement has been replaced with Judgement of the Wisdom/Justice/Light. So you can cast whichever judgement you wish, without having to reactivate a different seal
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
I would love to see the look on mathiudefoor face when he get droped by a undergeared retadin
psyburner1 3 years ago
isnt this a bit misleading? This mob is below 35% hp and doesnt die. This mean that the pala can spam HoW every 6 seconds to maintain a dps that is about 400 higher that it would be under normal circumstances
mortesv 3 years ago
Very True. But I also use this as a method to test mana consumption. As I tried this exact same thing on the old patch, I went OOM in 20seconds.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Does Wotlk have ret paladin having sancidy Aura or w/e. if not :(
70retpally 3 years ago
no but you can spec for ret aura to have +2 or 3% dam and 3% haste
fbomb721 3 years ago
Good video! I think ret pallies will not be treated as noob retarded! The first who will think "RETLOL" or "RETNOOB" will be smashed by me :p
FF8Alexander 3 years ago
Could u tell me the rotation ur using in this video?
70retpally 3 years ago
Was that Divine Storm at 0:06?
Colbio 3 years ago
yeap. :)
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
sick...RET PALLIS FTW....now ret pallis are gone be able to dps in raids :)
mufasita6 3 years ago
ret paladin personal dps is toooo high. its not even funny. i mean ppl who turn with their keyboards can 4 shot ppl.
UglynerdMan 3 years ago
paladins FTW...people should get it into their mind that 90% of pallys are very very retarded and really dont know how to play their toon.so those who talk shit pallys can DPS just as good as any class with the equal gear. NICE VIDEO nice DPS man
ponlb 3 years ago
no, people in the NEW patch can dps well.
a paladin will always be 100dps under an arms warrior.
MathiuDeFoor 3 years ago
100dps under an arms war?.. haha this new pally is better... i couldnt belive.. but you will see sonner or later :)
vatusai 3 years ago 2
WTF!!!!!
ceorapel 3 years ago
A couple of them surround the Dark Portal in the Blasted Lands. :)
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
2400 sustained in patch is nothing, good job ret pallies, u went from bottom 5 to about 5. ur still behind rogues,hunters,locks,mages
pat0769 3 years ago
I really can't argue. Blizzard has said that all DPS classes or DPS specs should have the same DPS in equal gear. So, whateves.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
with his gear, no
Deadtyper 3 years ago
True. I guess my point was that a Pure DPS was Pure, not because of their utility, but because they can do nothing but DPS, unlike a hybrid which can tank and/or heal. But very good point that utility is no longer a unique thing to specific classes. :D
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Just as well, good paladins on live can top 2400 dps.... Although that is in Sunwell gear.
chromiumxxx 3 years ago
I wish I could say I had to think deeply about this, but I cannot. A Blood Elf paladin, no shit, they do moarrr DPS? nowai? Seal of Blood and the possibility of Seal-Twisting, of coarse you'll see ret paladin's top DPS like that in Sunwell gear, and full raid buffs, no shit!? I may have "shitty" gear Iyo, but this video simply shows a relative DPS comparison. All pallies can expect to also double/triple their DPS in live vs Beta, regardless if they have sunwell gear or not.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Alliance are getting Seal of the Martyr, the alliance clone of Seal of Blood. In the same way, Blood Elves are getting Seal of Corruption, which is similar to the alliance's Seal of Vengeance. In other words, Blood Elves can tank, and alliance can DPS.
lawlimnatorization 3 years ago
I lold because he's hitting a level what target? below 60? with SHITTY armor. I do 2.2k+ self buffed with my enhance shammy on level 70 dummies and see well geared ret pallies on 70 dummies doing max 2400 with CD's (WHILE THEY ARE HITTING EVERY DUMMY WITH DIVINE STORM). I do 2000-2300 dps single target. A friend of mine that has been playing pallies for years assured me that dps will average out with other classes @ 80. Remember.. These talents are meant to be used on a level 80.
chromiumxxx 3 years ago
/sigh, do we really need to have this conversation. I guess so.... I'm going to try my best to not make you sound like a retard, but that'll be a difficult feat to accomplish. Also, I'd like to congratulate you on your ability to read and observe the purpose of this video. The DPS in this video is relative to paladins only, showing the comparison of Live vs. Beta. I assumed you'd be able to induce that the purpose of the low level is to maximize mana consumption for the mana test portion.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Your DPS is completely irrelevant because it isn't a genuine comparison. Sincerely, unless your gear is identical to whomever your comparing too (apparently me), then you just need not to speak, and you especially need not to speak redundantly. As I've already said in previous posts in my video, yeah, all DPS classes/specs will have similar to equal DPS. I'm glad your just figuring this out now. :/ All your argument is, is that you have better gear. GRATZ, I wonder how you did that..
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
P.S. Remember.. These talents are specialized to be used AS a level 80 in level 80 gear.. and it just so happens indirectly, to be used on level 80-boss level targets.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
judgement of the wise got nerfed... now ret pallys go oom in seconds... its actually pretty pathetic.
darknight550 3 years ago
wow.. the text that you posted goes WAY too fast.. No one on God's green Earth can read that fast =P
untcloud 3 years ago
It's rather incredible. The magic of video, especially on YouTube.. is there is this thing called a "Play/Pause" button. The idea being... you can ACTUALLY pause the video if you care about the text.. And if you don't care about the text, you can just ignore it while it gets of your way.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Lol crusader aura... (or something that has the same icon).
Schint0 3 years ago
There was a bug where you could have Crusader Aura AND Retribution Aura up at the same time. Thats been fixed.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Can you use divine storm when you are moving?
gangsteri92 3 years ago
Yes Sir, it is Instant cast.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
wow they really wanted paladins to be the best at pretty much everything didnt they
MaskedBirdBandit 3 years ago
warlocks rogues and hunters will out dps them at 80 i think
Deadtyper 3 years ago
Perhaps. but Blizzard's philosophy in PvE is that ALL DPS, Hybrid or Pure, will have EQUAL DPS. Our differences, if any, will be very mediocre.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
indeed, i'm leveling a ret paladin now because of this. Really good vid 5/5
Deadtyper 3 years ago
After fifteen minutes of testing on the level 70 target dummy, which unfortunately I didn't document since it was for personal knowledge, I found it is possible to go OOM with a damage rotation of Seal of Command(Because I didn't feel like wasting global CDs on healing) Crusader Strike, Judgement, Divine Storm, and Consecrate on every CD. Of course, even once you go OOM so long as you used Judgement of Wisdom you can just beat on him for a second or
KajiofFire 3 years ago
two and you will get enough mana to judge which will sustain the rotation for a few more seconds. My sustained DPS after 15 minutes was 1,765.
KajiofFire 3 years ago
Oh, my buffs. :P
Improved Blessing of Might
Retribution Aura (3% haste and 2% damage)
Seal of Command
I obviously did not use Hammer of Wrath in my rotation, I also didn't use Avenging Wrath, so during my next test I'll be using that on every CD to see what the increase is.
KajiofFire 3 years ago
Lets face it.. Don't poke the Pally with the nerf stick.. =)
Backevik 3 years ago
Umm you said that your calculated dps had Hammer of Wrath in your rotation.. Do it without that, because up until 35% on a boss you wont have that, and usually up till that point is where you want to see your numbers.
dooddudly 3 years ago
right. My DPS wouldn't' be nearly as high without it. But to be fair I did do a direct comparison on current Live Servers and also had Hammer of Wrath in that rotation as well. While this isn't COMPLETELY accurate for "typical" dps, it is accurate relatively (Live w/ HoW vs Beta w/ HoW). I'll have to try it without, but with this video, I just wanted to max my numbers with as many abilities as I could, and test mana regen, by spamming everything I could.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
I think i speak for all Pally's. At last!
Backevik 3 years ago
What? I see the nerf bat on the horizon !
viva0 3 years ago
ROFL! xD
DanWithNoDate 3 years ago
Viva0. I want to disagree. Patch 3.0.2 will be released, around Oct. 14th (in one week). Blizzard is finished making any significant or drastic changes. While Pallies seem OP now, they are very balanced and equal to most other classes. Any changes blizzard makes now, are very FINE tuning.
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
Dude seriously Blizzard won't triple your damage, yeah I know its because you now have a lot of intellect on your gear and you already got your high rank spells. And if I remember right this damage already has been reduced on the beta. If Blizzard wants to have any balance in the last month of TBC they will lower the damage or just add extra ranks, Blizzard has a tendency of making a class look incredeble and then nerfing them in the ground. Even though I don't care, paladins are easy to kite.
viva0 3 years ago
think i speak for all pvp rogues when i say, fuck...
forlornblade382 3 years ago
i think i speak for everyone other than pallies when i say ,fuck.....
ExtraGreasyChicken 3 years ago
it gonna be repaired soon..or it was alredy
Crusadum 3 years ago
DPS - Not Yet.
Mana Regen - Fixed
Wilsonaire 3 years ago
now do we go oom
wafcake 3 years ago
I'll have to check and get back to you. Looking at numbers. 20% of Max Mana (about 7,000) = 1,200 mana
33% of Base Mana (about 4,000) = 1,320 mana
Looking at that, it seems about the same, but I'll get back to you after I test it out
Wilsonaire 3 years ago