@MexicanasPUTAS the deformities (six fingers) etc is false. That was said by her enemies.. they actually took a look at her corpse and discovered she she had a delicate frame, around my height (5'2) and long, pretty fingers.. no extra finger anywhere.
Very appropriately, part of the script is based on Henry's letters to Anne and Rampling does quite well to convey Anne's maverick spirit within the parameters of the film's narrative structure. Still, there's only so much she can do in 15 minutes before Henry moves on to his next wife! The film does little justice to Anne's political acumen or her religious views. Rampling really does look gorgeous however, and it's easy to believe that Henry would have been mad with desire for her.
I like Rampling mainly because she's feisty and there's something animalistic/piercing about her eyes. She's far more Anne to me than Helena B Carter or Natalie Portman. However Katherine Howard was the best part of this version imo. Henry was weak as well.
Charlotte Rampling fans - she is about to play the role of her life, opposite Geoffrey Rush and Judy Davis is an adaption of Patrick White's modernist novel The Eye of the Storm. The character is somewhat similar to her rendition of Anne Boleyn, and not to be missed.
And yet - I do like this portrayal alot. I wish they'd shown at least the execution . The focus was mostly on Katherine Howard in this movie. I do like. But even if its a negative view - it does show Anne's calculated quality to effect and at the end, the way Rampling lloks at Henry as he leaves the May day joust is very affecting. It shows her as a good-bad girl. She was of course much more complicated than that.
I saw this after I saw Cate Blanchett's Elizbaeth so this is just a random musing...but does anybody else find Charlotte Rampling's Anne reminscient of Cate's Elizabeth? (I know it should be the other way). Little nunances and line deliveries...
Anne will forever be a tragic and enigmatic woman. Her one true love was Harry Percy, and that love affair was ruthlessly ended by Henry and Caridnal Wolsey. No wonder she loathed the latter. Maybe she schemed to be queen to exact payback on Henry- we'll never know. I admire her refusal to be a meek little milksop.
As an actress, Rampling did very well. The problem is most definitely the script. They made Anne a wild and free-spirited flirt in the beginning and a bitch towards the end. The only normal behavior of this portrayal was at the joust.
I don't think her portrayal is not perfect but nor is it horrible but the performance of Henry VIII is just horrid. You can disagree with me but, The series is just so yuck!!
because of his horrendous Sipphilis(sp?). Apparently, according to what I have heard, that large of a cod piece was to keep anything from touching it, or brushing against it accidentally.
That was because of the dirt, food, etc that would fall to the floor or be trampled in. Then the servants just swept up the rushes (the straw), and replaced with fresh.
I was to read later that the stairwells & corners of rooms in castles were also used by men as pissoires. Yet another good reason to put dried rushes all over the floor.
That is a simple but gorgeous gown. It's no surprise that it is in the French fashion with slim upper sleeves, ruffled under sleeves and a pointed bodice with an rectangular neckline that had an upcurve up it at the bust. Anne loved French clothing, so it's obvious she would bring back the culture she had practically been raised around to England. I love Charlotte's portrayal of Boleyn since she fits the descriptions in the books.
Thank you! Rampling's Anne remains my favourite to date on screen...not for the innaccuracies of the script & I think she is rather too beautiful for our remarkable Anne...but because there is something in the pride and grace of how she bears herself, in her elusive quickness, her lightness and lithe elegance that brings to mind Anne herself. I wish they had dealt with her formidable intellect and talent beyond the obvious shrewdness - no screen interpretation has yet really achieved that.
I've seen most film depictions of Anne Boleyn, and I appreciate Charlotte Rampling's because of her similiarity in character to Glenda Jackson's Elizabeth--she looks like the mother of Elizabeth R. Watch Jackson's Elizabeth after seeing Rampling as Boleyn and you'll see what I mean.
I like Rampling's deep voice, her intense intelligence, and the full laughter than rings out of her from time to time. She seems her own woman, which, to me, is the essential quality an actress must own to play Anne. And she "looks right" and is much less prissy than Dorothy Tutin, who had played the role in the miniseries before it was turned into a "film."
I agree lordofspeech - I think Charlotte Rampling captures AB's intelligent sensuality. Rampling, Genevieve Bujold and Oona Kirsch captured Anne Boleyn. In most senses these actresses captured the highly intelligent, enigmatic, alluring genius of Anne Boleyn.
I do agree with you and she was almost certainly portrayed in a negative light in this film. The positive aspects of her personality such as her enthusiasm for evangelicalism was not displayed and I agree it was wrong to display the deformities of which was reported by Nicholas Sander, many years after her death. However, I lay the blame for that on the script-writers, I think Charlotte Rampling did well with what she was effectively given. I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless.
Oh I dont blame Rampling. However as she did not have that great of a script to work with, her performance was undoubtedly affected. She did her best with what she was given but like the fantastic Jodhi May who was also given an inadequate fictional Anne Boleyn to work with, Rampling does not stand out for me as a great representation of this queen
@sandraoopie - When I referred to evangelicalism as a positive aspect with regard to this performance, I meant that the portrayal was lacking other known aspects of her personality such as genuine commitment to religious reform. Please do NOT turn my comments about this clip into a heated debate on religion or the like. There are plenty of forums on the internet to air such opinions and while you are entitled to yours, I object to you attempting to use mine to instigate some sort of argument.
I disagree with some comments that Charlotte Rampling's portrayal of Anne Boleyn was weak or inaccurate.
Given the script and knowledge of historical accuracy at the time, I think it is a very impressive portrayal which displays a touch of cunning and ambition.
At first though I thought the film was implying that she was guilty of adultery however on reflection, I think Anne is portrayed through the eyes of Henry, with his many well-known insecurities & paranoia.
The script did contain some good bits of accuracy, however in regards to Anne Boleyns storyline, it really went for fiction over fact. It tended to endorse posthumous stories regarding Anne including the issue of deformities, the card scene and the locket scene. We see extremely little about Anne's religious views and her queenship. We also do not witness her downfall or a diverse representation of Anne and Henry's relationship.
i must admit i do like annes dress in the jousting scene its beautiful, not my favourite portrayal but its still good tho, i havent seen the film myself how much of the film is anne in?
This my fav. subject so TY for all the hard work. The fact that it still causes such passionate debates goes to show that it was and still is a very important time in history. It covers it all,religion, politics, abuse of power, infidelity and good old fashion greed. So if you think about it not much has changed. tehe. In high school I wrote a paper on the Catholic/Protestant war through the years and how it started. I wrote because Henry VIII wanted to get laid. Believe it or not a got a A-.
The guy who plays Cromwell in this version is almost comical. I prefer the one who played Cromwell in the Dorothy Tutin version. This is definitely not the best Henry VIII series I've seen. Bernard Hepton, as usual, is amazing.
No, Anne Boleyn did not have a "6th finger." This was an invention well after her death - there are absolutely no contemporary descriptions of anything like it.
Henry killed thousands of innocent men women and children. He was not the best King, not by far. He made it treason to even win against him in chess, punishable by death.Henry was a cold blooded murderer
I have no idea where you got your information on Henry, but none of it is accurate. The business about the chess is the silliest thing I've heard yet.
Well then obviously you don't do your research or are riding biased biographies on Henry. Henry even had the archbishop of Canterbury mother executed because he said something against Henry. She was EIGHTY! If you don't know these things already, read some more books.
You are quite wrong on all counts. You mean Margaret de la Pole, right? She was not an archbishop's mother, much less that of the Archbishop of Canterbury, & he had her executed because he decided she was aiding her son in his treason. She had said nothing against him, but she was in close contact w/her son and was found to be harboring secret Catholic allegiances. I have no idea what you're reading, but I am certain that you aren't reading it closely enough.
IOW, you're embarrassed that you got all the details wrong on the woman's execution, & you have no proof of your crazy statement about the "chess treason" nonsense. Apology accepted.
Actually, neither :) But you are more than welcome to believe whatever you like. We all have the right to an opinion, and to believe whichever historians we wish.
Yes, I understand that it's your right to believe whatever unverifiable nonsense you want, just as I understand you aren't embarrassed or apologizing. More's the pity.
Actually, I'm a person of great humility so if I felt I was wrong, I would find no embarrassment in admitting it. The fact YOU keep messaging me, goes to show that you are the one bothered.
Well, that doesn't actually address what I wrote - no surprise there. What upsets me is your attempt to violate a great truth propounded by Daniel Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion; no one is entitled to his own facts." & you are *certainly* upset - *you* keep messsaging *me*.
Anne Boleyn gave her blood and love to her daughter. I smiled when Henry said "The physicians say it will be a son." More like a daughter who has the heart of a king of England.. Anne Boleyn was the "Virgin Mary" for England giving Her a beautiful, noble, and vivacious daughter. I can see the resemblances between daughter and mother; how overbearing they are. Think of Anne Boleyn as the Virgin Queen, less educated and less tolerant most likely but very similar. Henry sucks, women-Boleyn rock.
loved yr comment but why was Elizabeth less educated than Anne? Perhaps the only paternal thing Henry ever did for Elizabeth was to ensure her education was second to none!
Henry is probably the king i hate most. He goes around fucking all these woman when he's married but the moment he thinks his wife is having an affair and never finds proof he has her arrested. And when she can't give birth to a son he has her executed. Henry Vlll was nothing more than a perverted idiot. Even though Anne was kind of a bitch she's my favorite wife.
The difference being, of course, that if a king's wife was fooling around on him, she could get pregnant by another man & totally disrupt the succession. But if you want to blame the executions on anyone, blame them on a religion that refused to allow divorce. Henry was desperate to avoid the civil wars England had gone through just a generation before. Judging history through modern eyes is dangerous at best.
@jtco3 Most Kings were like that up until 1913. It was the way of life back then. For example, men were allowed to cheat on their wives and the wife had to turn her head. However, if the woman cheated on her husband, she could be beheaded. How sexist is that? Men could do as they wished. Women were below them. Oh well. We got our vengence in the end. Besides, in Tudor times, it may have been a men's world, but women, like Anne Boleyn, could sway a man's heart so easily. In a way, we had power
I have never seen this version before. Interesting. Keith Michell again; the quintessential Henry. Also, Bernard Hepton as Cramner. I didn't know they had played the same roles in another vehicle besides the PBS series, "The Six Wives of Henry VIII".
Anne actually did have a slight deformity, on her pinky she had a strange nail growth, she hid it by inventing her famous "boleyn sleeves" that eventually became the height of style in many european courts.
No contemporary noted this. This was made up years after her death and has unfortunately been reiterated by some historians. But the first person to raise this was Nicholas Sander writing in the reign of Elizabeth I. Plus when they examined Anne's remains in the C19th, no deformity on her hands was found.
By the time they find Anne's coffin or the arrow box she was in, it would have been a skeleton. No trace of deformities can be found, since there would be no flesh left at all.
But if there was a rudimentary sixth finger-that would have been seen in the skeletal remains. Apparently the medical examiner of that era mentioned Anne's small frame-and small neck but noted no deformities. I suspect they were a fabrication by her enemies.
But no one during her lifetime said she had a deformity. The only people who said such a thing were writing years after her death and did not know her. It would be like someone claiming I had a sixth finger and writing such a thing 30 or so years after my death and having never met me. It would be seen as completely inaccurate.
Certainly no foreign ambassadors of the day-even Chapuy-never mentioned any deformities. Such a thing would have been seen with great suspicion, and fear. In an age when people were being burned for witches it is highly unlikely Anne would have even been invited to be a Lady in Waiting to Royalty whether in France or England. Jmo.
I still think Anne had a sixth finger on her left hand. It could have been composed of cartlidge and by the time Anne had been exhumed in the 19th century she would have been just a skeleton. Also the mole on her neck would have decomposed alone with all the soft flesh.
But no one actually mentioned this at any point during her life. It was invented by someone who never meet her, was writing years after her death, and who immensely disliked her (so wished to depict her as a deformed corrupt individual). But no one during her life noted anything the wrong with her physically (including her enemies who would have highlighted any deformity she had if she indeed had any).
BTW, the man who invented the sixth finger story also wrote that Anne was probably the daughter of Henry VIII and that she had a big 'wen' on her chin so she spent her whole life wearing high collars! (he didn't take into account the fact that high collars were nor in fashion during Anne's lifetime).
Nope; the idea that she had a deformity was made up years after her death. When her body was exhumed in the C19th no deformities were found. The man responsible for the 'sixth finger' story was Nicholas Sander who was written years after Anne's death, did not know her and created the story in order to depict Anne in a nasty light (Sander wrote several bad things about Anne in order to blacken her name).
Nicholas Sander was writing during the reign of Elizabeth I. He was a Catholic forced into exile due to the persecutions under Elizabeth. His attack on her included an attack on her mother. He invented the idea that Anne suffered from deformities and invented other malicious stories. In a sense he was trying to blacken the name of Anne due to her links to the reformist cause and because by attacking her he was directly insulting Elizabeth.
Anne's body was exhumed in the C19th as part of plans to reorganise the graves within St. Peter Ad Vincula (the church in the Tower of London). Other graves relocated included the resting place of Jane Grey, Robert Devereux and Katherine Howard (whose burial place/remains were in a very poor state). A brief examination was also carried out and the conclusion was that Anne had been a woman of average height with an oval face.
@littlemisssunnydale True... Elizabeth's face is Anne's face. Good Queen Bess is the closest we come to seeing Anne, her mother. How proud she is of her daughter!
i think she does a good anne,i am hoping to but together my own henry and anne,i have done the young henry and have done events like the lord mayors show in london.
I liked Bujold's performance overall, but did not enjoy Natalia Dormer as Anne. I found her highly boring and lacking much of Anne's feistiness. 'The Tudors' really doesn't do Anne justice (they hardly mention her religious affiliations which is highly annoying), and show her too much under the thumb of her relatives thus taking away much of Anne's own drive and intelligence.
I don't think there has ever been a perfect, definitive take on Anne in any film/TV, but the actresses who did a good job were Tutin, Bujold and to some degree Jodhi May (the production she was in was awful but she tried her best and looked good as Anne).
Thats very true but Its not all Natalie Dormer's fault The scripts are boring She's doing the best she can If the scripts got a better I think she & the rest of the cast could be brilliant The Tudors missed the mark here theres no denying that but Im not giving up on it yet
Sure the scripts are bad and as a result the characterisations of most of the figures are awful. However I have also not been impressed with the level of acting, notably from JRM (never been impressed with his acting skills) and the guy who plays Thomas Boleyn is just awful. Personally I see it as they have hired pretty actors not necessarily because they suit their roles, but because they look good whilst delivering poor lines. So glitz and glamour but not quality.
Thats why theres so much sexuality they settled for making a soap opera when they couldve explored this time & these people in a really meaningful way Maybe some day someone will get it right
For the love of God, I know this gets really annoying. When are you people going to accept that it is a departure of history? If they did everything so accurately, people would see it namy times and they would get bored of it. Seeing something different can be interesting at times. At least they got the Legatine Trial correct, which was the one thing I was hoping they would do right, and they did. To me, the script was neutral, and Natalie Dormer is a very good Anne Boleyn.
I have to disagree about 'The Tudors'. I have not been impressed with their take on Anne; such a boring perspective! They hired a pretty actress who spends most of her time pouting! And they hardly mention her religious affiliations and her own political initiative. Very disappointing.
Well, I have to disagree with you. Dormer makes a good Anne Boleyn, even if the religion thing wasn't shown much. I don't care much for accuracy, I only go after the acting.
When I first watched 'The Tudors' I actually tried to focus on aspects like acting instead of accuracy because I could tell that the writer had no respect for actual history. But in fact the acting was one of the reasons why I dislike the show so much. Some of the performances were awful (e.g. JRM as Henry, the guy who plays Thomas Boleyn, the guy who plays William Compton etc). ). I found Dormer quite lifeless and certainly not a suitable actress to play the role.
Thanks for posting this. Do you have more clips of this film? I have the miniseries on DVD but I can't find this film anywhere. The miniseries doesn't show his courtship with Anne.
I don't know if I like Rampling so much from this clip....this movie sure is different! Though lol, I think the guy who plays Cramner must have had a contract or something to always play Cramner in every Tudor BBC production! ;) I love him....
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Fliegeraas 1 month ago
If anne didnt want to have a child outside of holy wedlock she should have just let Henry do her up the wrong 'un.
ThePanzerfist44 6 months ago
OMG Henry VIII is ... just ... terrible in this. I couldn't stop laughing.
PandaPawSmile 6 months ago
I would love to dress like Anne Boleyn!
LucyLovettLestrange 6 months ago
I think she was the best of all the annes!
Medusa0999 7 months ago
She's alright, but for me Genevieve Bujold will always be the definitive Anne Boleyn.
bluecanary487 9 months ago
@bluecanary487 You are soooo very right!
sandraoopie 2 months ago
annie baby was asking for it!!! The tape left out that great dance scene with Boylin in blackface.
diddymuck 10 months ago
annie baby was asking for it!!!
diddymuck 10 months ago
Anne was completing her education to be a Maid of Honour to the regent of the Netherlands.
"La petite Boulin" made a good impression in the court of Archduchess Margaret of Austria with her manners and studiousness.
It is said she had a projecting tooth under the upper lip, and on her right hand six fingers.
MexicanasPUTAS 1 year ago
@MexicanasPUTAS the deformities (six fingers) etc is false. That was said by her enemies.. they actually took a look at her corpse and discovered she she had a delicate frame, around my height (5'2) and long, pretty fingers.. no extra finger anywhere.
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LoveEmmett11 1 year ago
Che brava Charlotte Rampling!!!!! Thanks for your video
Mariateresa735 1 year ago
Very appropriately, part of the script is based on Henry's letters to Anne and Rampling does quite well to convey Anne's maverick spirit within the parameters of the film's narrative structure. Still, there's only so much she can do in 15 minutes before Henry moves on to his next wife! The film does little justice to Anne's political acumen or her religious views. Rampling really does look gorgeous however, and it's easy to believe that Henry would have been mad with desire for her.
mifflet 1 year ago
I have read that Anne repudely had a extra little finger on at least one hand, and some people back then took that as a sign she was a witch.
gotch09 1 year ago
I like Rampling mainly because she's feisty and there's something animalistic/piercing about her eyes. She's far more Anne to me than Helena B Carter or Natalie Portman. However Katherine Howard was the best part of this version imo. Henry was weak as well.
stitchgrl777 1 year ago 2
Charlotte Rampling fans - she is about to play the role of her life, opposite Geoffrey Rush and Judy Davis is an adaption of Patrick White's modernist novel The Eye of the Storm. The character is somewhat similar to her rendition of Anne Boleyn, and not to be missed.
Messylin 1 year ago
And yet - I do like this portrayal alot. I wish they'd shown at least the execution . The focus was mostly on Katherine Howard in this movie. I do like. But even if its a negative view - it does show Anne's calculated quality to effect and at the end, the way Rampling lloks at Henry as he leaves the May day joust is very affecting. It shows her as a good-bad girl. She was of course much more complicated than that.
MidEasterner 1 year ago
I loved Charlotte's potrayal as Anne. She looks every bit the part.
TudorRose85 1 year ago
I saw this after I saw Cate Blanchett's Elizbaeth so this is just a random musing...but does anybody else find Charlotte Rampling's Anne reminscient of Cate's Elizabeth? (I know it should be the other way). Little nunances and line deliveries...
Broadwayvideosweb 1 year ago
Anne will forever be a tragic and enigmatic woman. Her one true love was Harry Percy, and that love affair was ruthlessly ended by Henry and Caridnal Wolsey. No wonder she loathed the latter. Maybe she schemed to be queen to exact payback on Henry- we'll never know. I admire her refusal to be a meek little milksop.
coralarch 1 year ago
why is there hay on the floor?
jointvenus 1 year ago
@jointvenus I believe it was a hygiene thing. the hay would be replaced when it was dirty.
StellaBellaOla 1 year ago
As an actress, Rampling did very well. The problem is most definitely the script. They made Anne a wild and free-spirited flirt in the beginning and a bitch towards the end. The only normal behavior of this portrayal was at the joust.
ThorneAstor 1 year ago
I don't think her portrayal is not perfect but nor is it horrible but the performance of Henry VIII is just horrid. You can disagree with me but, The series is just so yuck!!
MissJasperHale18 1 year ago
What are the commoners saying when they're mocking anne? I can make out " Boleyn the whore" but thats it.. does anyone know?
AmazingAesa 1 year ago
Anne Boleyn here is just weird and a little creepy. But Charlotte Rampling's performance as Anne Boleyn is oddly captivating to me.
chinagrrl 1 year ago
SHE DIDN'T HAVE SIX FINGERS!!!
MissJasperHale18 1 year ago
The scarlet choker is a bit "obvious."
Shimmeringsmiley 2 years ago
I get that the ribbon must be there to hide a supposed deformity. (I too don't believe she had any.) But I don't see a 6th finger. Thank God!
jlmnrlm 2 years ago
Hahaha.. Obviously it would be hard to find a actor with six fingers..
PansyMk 2 years ago 2
I really like this series more than others, but really
Why is Henry's crotch always poking out of his robes? It's oddly distracting. lol
MissKit 2 years ago 2
because of his horrendous Sipphilis(sp?). Apparently, according to what I have heard, that large of a cod piece was to keep anything from touching it, or brushing against it accidentally.
CutterGrl05 2 years ago
henry was pretty heavy when he was anne he wasnt in the tudors though
dunveganbeast 2 years ago
Were there really straw all over the floors of the royal living quarters? It looks as though they're expecting the droppings of the royal horses.
mmedefarge 2 years ago
That was because of the dirt, food, etc that would fall to the floor or be trampled in. Then the servants just swept up the rushes (the straw), and replaced with fresh.
Iluthra 2 years ago
I was to read later that the stairwells & corners of rooms in castles were also used by men as pissoires. Yet another good reason to put dried rushes all over the floor.
mmedefarge 2 years ago
That is a simple but gorgeous gown. It's no surprise that it is in the French fashion with slim upper sleeves, ruffled under sleeves and a pointed bodice with an rectangular neckline that had an upcurve up it at the bust. Anne loved French clothing, so it's obvious she would bring back the culture she had practically been raised around to England. I love Charlotte's portrayal of Boleyn since she fits the descriptions in the books.
InnateNobility 2 years ago 3
That's right: strangle your pregnant wife because she doesn't like your prospective mistress. Make up with her
before you go to a funeral for your ex wife.
Henry was a piece of work.
bookkeeper57 2 years ago 3
omg love the outfits! ive been trying to find a good costume for halloween but so far ive had no luck >:(
cheerhater7 2 years ago
What are those men saying at 3:54- 4:07?
All I could make out was " Boleyn the whore"
btw, poor Anne
BombGangGirl 2 years ago
@BombGangGirl No need to mity Anne. lol Tongues wag, as they would do in politics... once Anne was Queen, she muzzled the lot, and how!
Purkette 1 year ago
Anne wanted to be Queen above all else. That ambition and the fact that she didn't give the King a son was her doom.
md991free 2 years ago
omg! i like her dress..
Djmikoxoxo 2 years ago 13
Thank you! Rampling's Anne remains my favourite to date on screen...not for the innaccuracies of the script & I think she is rather too beautiful for our remarkable Anne...but because there is something in the pride and grace of how she bears herself, in her elusive quickness, her lightness and lithe elegance that brings to mind Anne herself. I wish they had dealt with her formidable intellect and talent beyond the obvious shrewdness - no screen interpretation has yet really achieved that.
pelagicwobbegong 2 years ago 2
I've seen most film depictions of Anne Boleyn, and I appreciate Charlotte Rampling's because of her similiarity in character to Glenda Jackson's Elizabeth--she looks like the mother of Elizabeth R. Watch Jackson's Elizabeth after seeing Rampling as Boleyn and you'll see what I mean.
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whatabigthing 3 years ago
We repeat the past without realizing our follies. Maybe we could learn a thing or two, eh?
Many thanks misssunny for these wonderful posts.
BlossomEndRot 3 years ago
"And you make presents to that pallid bitch! hm?"
Amazing.
vespergbi 3 years ago
I like Rampling's deep voice, her intense intelligence, and the full laughter than rings out of her from time to time. She seems her own woman, which, to me, is the essential quality an actress must own to play Anne. And she "looks right" and is much less prissy than Dorothy Tutin, who had played the role in the miniseries before it was turned into a "film."
lordofspeech 3 years ago
I agree lordofspeech - I think Charlotte Rampling captures AB's intelligent sensuality. Rampling, Genevieve Bujold and Oona Kirsch captured Anne Boleyn. In most senses these actresses captured the highly intelligent, enigmatic, alluring genius of Anne Boleyn.
MidEasterner 3 years ago
I do agree with you and she was almost certainly portrayed in a negative light in this film. The positive aspects of her personality such as her enthusiasm for evangelicalism was not displayed and I agree it was wrong to display the deformities of which was reported by Nicholas Sander, many years after her death. However, I lay the blame for that on the script-writers, I think Charlotte Rampling did well with what she was effectively given. I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless.
FallenAngel2021 3 years ago 10
Oh I dont blame Rampling. However as she did not have that great of a script to work with, her performance was undoubtedly affected. She did her best with what she was given but like the fantastic Jodhi May who was also given an inadequate fictional Anne Boleyn to work with, Rampling does not stand out for me as a great representation of this queen
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago 2
@littlemisssunnydale I think that Rampling is a very good actress, but I wasn't really feeling her performance as Anne Boleyn.
scorpianofthesun 1 year ago
@FallenAngel2021 Enthusiasm for evangelicalism is a positive aspect? Not that I have seen in this country.
sandraoopie 2 months ago
@sandraoopie - When I referred to evangelicalism as a positive aspect with regard to this performance, I meant that the portrayal was lacking other known aspects of her personality such as genuine commitment to religious reform. Please do NOT turn my comments about this clip into a heated debate on religion or the like. There are plenty of forums on the internet to air such opinions and while you are entitled to yours, I object to you attempting to use mine to instigate some sort of argument.
FallenAngel2021 1 month ago
@FallenAngel2021 Nothing heated about my comment, just stating fact.
sandraoopie 1 month ago
I disagree with some comments that Charlotte Rampling's portrayal of Anne Boleyn was weak or inaccurate.
Given the script and knowledge of historical accuracy at the time, I think it is a very impressive portrayal which displays a touch of cunning and ambition.
At first though I thought the film was implying that she was guilty of adultery however on reflection, I think Anne is portrayed through the eyes of Henry, with his many well-known insecurities & paranoia.
FallenAngel2021 3 years ago 4
The script did contain some good bits of accuracy, however in regards to Anne Boleyns storyline, it really went for fiction over fact. It tended to endorse posthumous stories regarding Anne including the issue of deformities, the card scene and the locket scene. We see extremely little about Anne's religious views and her queenship. We also do not witness her downfall or a diverse representation of Anne and Henry's relationship.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
did it show the execution?
zrtproductions 3 years ago
i must admit i do like annes dress in the jousting scene its beautiful, not my favourite portrayal but its still good tho, i havent seen the film myself how much of the film is anne in?
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
This my fav. subject so TY for all the hard work. The fact that it still causes such passionate debates goes to show that it was and still is a very important time in history. It covers it all,religion, politics, abuse of power, infidelity and good old fashion greed. So if you think about it not much has changed. tehe. In high school I wrote a paper on the Catholic/Protestant war through the years and how it started. I wrote because Henry VIII wanted to get laid. Believe it or not a got a A-.
riaesp 3 years ago
omg really you seriously wrote that?? nice one!! i wish i had the guts to do that! did your teacher make any remark about writing that?
congrats on getting the A- though :) xx
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
Henry had no problem getting laid. It was getting a legitimate heir that was the problem.
ironhills 3 years ago
The guy who plays Cromwell in this version is almost comical. I prefer the one who played Cromwell in the Dorothy Tutin version. This is definitely not the best Henry VIII series I've seen. Bernard Hepton, as usual, is amazing.
cleogurl12 3 years ago
I agree, Wolfe Morris is the best Cromwell I've ever seen.
Bernard Hepton is Cranmer that escaped from the painting!
YeOldeTune 3 years ago 3
actually anne did have a well i cant say deformation. but she had an extra fingernail on her lfet hand.
zrtproductions 3 years ago
No, Anne Boleyn did not have a "6th finger." This was an invention well after her death - there are absolutely no contemporary descriptions of anything like it.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Henry shaped britain are history , he did good and bad.This is the best actor to play him.
W1LL1066 3 years ago 2
i wouldn't say he was the best actor to play him-he looked very like him though, unlike JRM in the tudors. i love the way JRM plays him.
Cla900 3 years ago
@W1LL1066 Wasn't Henry who shaped it.
Purkette 1 year ago
This is inaccurate, as Henry had not yet become fat when he was with Anne. Only after her death did he let himself go.
angelinataylor86 3 years ago
she has been the best anne boleyn yet, along with genevieve bujold!
lilmizzspac 3 years ago
I prefer Dorothy Tutin
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
diffrent times you cant judge henry in modern terms.any way the the women wernt all inocent.Henry was the best king a true man.
W1LL1066 3 years ago
Henry killed thousands of innocent men women and children. He was not the best King, not by far. He made it treason to even win against him in chess, punishable by death.Henry was a cold blooded murderer
angelinataylor86 3 years ago 2
I have no idea where you got your information on Henry, but none of it is accurate. The business about the chess is the silliest thing I've heard yet.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Well then obviously you don't do your research or are riding biased biographies on Henry. Henry even had the archbishop of Canterbury mother executed because he said something against Henry. She was EIGHTY! If you don't know these things already, read some more books.
angelinataylor86 3 years ago
You are quite wrong on all counts. You mean Margaret de la Pole, right? She was not an archbishop's mother, much less that of the Archbishop of Canterbury, & he had her executed because he decided she was aiding her son in his treason. She had said nothing against him, but she was in close contact w/her son and was found to be harboring secret Catholic allegiances. I have no idea what you're reading, but I am certain that you aren't reading it closely enough.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Henry and his lawyers decided upon what "treason" was, and he killed anyone who disagreed with him. You cant convince me otherwise.
angelinataylor86 3 years ago
IOW, you're embarrassed that you got all the details wrong on the woman's execution, & you have no proof of your crazy statement about the "chess treason" nonsense. Apology accepted.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Actually, neither :) But you are more than welcome to believe whatever you like. We all have the right to an opinion, and to believe whichever historians we wish.
angelinataylor86 3 years ago
Yes, I understand that it's your right to believe whatever unverifiable nonsense you want, just as I understand you aren't embarrassed or apologizing. More's the pity.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
LOL.
Actually, I'm a person of great humility so if I felt I was wrong, I would find no embarrassment in admitting it. The fact YOU keep messaging me, goes to show that you are the one bothered.
angelinataylor86 3 years ago
Well, that doesn't actually address what I wrote - no surprise there. What upsets me is your attempt to violate a great truth propounded by Daniel Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion; no one is entitled to his own facts." & you are *certainly* upset - *you* keep messsaging *me*.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
they proper rushed the divorce thing didnt they, it took 9 years and this video done it in 10 mins lol
sjfriend 3 years ago
true, but they have to sum up all of his marriages in a two hour movie. Personally, that's quite a feat.
Sajirah 3 years ago
Anne Boleyn gave her blood and love to her daughter. I smiled when Henry said "The physicians say it will be a son." More like a daughter who has the heart of a king of England.. Anne Boleyn was the "Virgin Mary" for England giving Her a beautiful, noble, and vivacious daughter. I can see the resemblances between daughter and mother; how overbearing they are. Think of Anne Boleyn as the Virgin Queen, less educated and less tolerant most likely but very similar. Henry sucks, women-Boleyn rock.
Jaihdev 3 years ago 5
loved yr comment but why was Elizabeth less educated than Anne? Perhaps the only paternal thing Henry ever did for Elizabeth was to ensure her education was second to none!
tiredoldbag 3 years ago
@tiredoldbag Henry didn't do a thing.
Purkette 1 year ago
Actually Anne was VERY well educated :)
angelinataylor86 3 years ago 6
@angelinataylor86 At the court of Claude of France, and at Mechelen.
Purkette 1 year ago
Henry is probably the king i hate most. He goes around fucking all these woman when he's married but the moment he thinks his wife is having an affair and never finds proof he has her arrested. And when she can't give birth to a son he has her executed. Henry Vlll was nothing more than a perverted idiot. Even though Anne was kind of a bitch she's my favorite wife.
jtco3 3 years ago 19
The difference being, of course, that if a king's wife was fooling around on him, she could get pregnant by another man & totally disrupt the succession. But if you want to blame the executions on anyone, blame them on a religion that refused to allow divorce. Henry was desperate to avoid the civil wars England had gone through just a generation before. Judging history through modern eyes is dangerous at best.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
@jtco3 Anne wasn't a bitch. She was a strong character and one who had her way often. Read Professor Ives biography.
Purkette 1 year ago 2
@jtco3 Most Kings were like that up until 1913. It was the way of life back then. For example, men were allowed to cheat on their wives and the wife had to turn her head. However, if the woman cheated on her husband, she could be beheaded. How sexist is that? Men could do as they wished. Women were below them. Oh well. We got our vengence in the end. Besides, in Tudor times, it may have been a men's world, but women, like Anne Boleyn, could sway a man's heart so easily. In a way, we had power
PandaPawSmile 6 months ago
wheres the next part please?
pahoboye 3 years ago
Doyou possibly have the elaborate dance she does in blackface where Norfolk calls her "the Nightcrow."?
AdArmand 3 years ago
She does seem like anne. The elements are silly..but she is believable. I like her.
Serenityluver 3 years ago
Wow-'To hear Mass for the late Queen'. That's a slap in the ol' face for Anne.
audie83 3 years ago
wow donald pleasance is in this version. do you have the full version of this film?
lunargoddess2002 3 years ago
I have never seen this version before. Interesting. Keith Michell again; the quintessential Henry. Also, Bernard Hepton as Cramner. I didn't know they had played the same roles in another vehicle besides the PBS series, "The Six Wives of Henry VIII".
MizQue 3 years ago
Hepton also played Cranmer in 'Elizabeth R'. He was briefly in the first episode.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Anne actually did have a slight deformity, on her pinky she had a strange nail growth, she hid it by inventing her famous "boleyn sleeves" that eventually became the height of style in many european courts.
psyche100 3 years ago
No contemporary noted this. This was made up years after her death and has unfortunately been reiterated by some historians. But the first person to raise this was Nicholas Sander writing in the reign of Elizabeth I. Plus when they examined Anne's remains in the C19th, no deformity on her hands was found.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
By the time they find Anne's coffin or the arrow box she was in, it would have been a skeleton. No trace of deformities can be found, since there would be no flesh left at all.
SpanishDescendent 3 years ago 3
But if there was a rudimentary sixth finger-that would have been seen in the skeletal remains. Apparently the medical examiner of that era mentioned Anne's small frame-and small neck but noted no deformities. I suspect they were a fabrication by her enemies.
audie83 3 years ago 2
We still can't be sure.
SpanishDescendent 3 years ago
But no one during her lifetime said she had a deformity. The only people who said such a thing were writing years after her death and did not know her. It would be like someone claiming I had a sixth finger and writing such a thing 30 or so years after my death and having never met me. It would be seen as completely inaccurate.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago 2
You do have a point.
SpanishDescendent 3 years ago
Certainly no foreign ambassadors of the day-even Chapuy-never mentioned any deformities. Such a thing would have been seen with great suspicion, and fear. In an age when people were being burned for witches it is highly unlikely Anne would have even been invited to be a Lady in Waiting to Royalty whether in France or England. Jmo.
audie83 3 years ago
@littlemisssunnydale She had beautiful hands... long, fine fingers... totally aristocratic.
Purkette 1 year ago
I wish I could see this movie, now too bad it's not availible in America. Donald Sutherland is such perfectly creepy cromwell.
It also unnerves me some of my Henry/Anne scenes are very close to there's lol.
srlotfi 3 years ago
It's Donald Pleasance, not Sutherland :)
(Interestingly, his daughter Angela Pleasance plays Catherine Howard in the BBC miniseries).
Inamourada 3 years ago
yeah you're right sorry. Hmmm I didn't know that was his daughter that's kind of funny
srlotfi 3 years ago
I wish I could see this movie, now too bad it's not availible in America. Donald Sutherland is such perfectly creepy cromwell.
It also unnerves me some of my Henry/Anne scenes are very close to there's lol.
srlotfi 3 years ago
I still think Anne had a sixth finger on her left hand. It could have been composed of cartlidge and by the time Anne had been exhumed in the 19th century she would have been just a skeleton. Also the mole on her neck would have decomposed alone with all the soft flesh.
TudorRose85 3 years ago
But no one actually mentioned this at any point during her life. It was invented by someone who never meet her, was writing years after her death, and who immensely disliked her (so wished to depict her as a deformed corrupt individual). But no one during her life noted anything the wrong with her physically (including her enemies who would have highlighted any deformity she had if she indeed had any).
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
BTW, the man who invented the sixth finger story also wrote that Anne was probably the daughter of Henry VIII and that she had a big 'wen' on her chin so she spent her whole life wearing high collars! (he didn't take into account the fact that high collars were nor in fashion during Anne's lifetime).
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
@TudorRose85 Anne had no goitre nor sixth finger.
Purkette 1 year ago 2
@TudorRose85 She thinks that you have eleven fingers too.
Purkette 1 year ago
But i understand it that Anne did have deformities, in the shape of an extra finger (or something that resembled one).
00jostan 3 years ago
Nope; the idea that she had a deformity was made up years after her death. When her body was exhumed in the C19th no deformities were found. The man responsible for the 'sixth finger' story was Nicholas Sander who was written years after Anne's death, did not know her and created the story in order to depict Anne in a nasty light (Sander wrote several bad things about Anne in order to blacken her name).
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
ah ok, thanks.
y did he want to dig her up and discredit her name after such a long time?
00jostan 3 years ago
Nicholas Sander was writing during the reign of Elizabeth I. He was a Catholic forced into exile due to the persecutions under Elizabeth. His attack on her included an attack on her mother. He invented the idea that Anne suffered from deformities and invented other malicious stories. In a sense he was trying to blacken the name of Anne due to her links to the reformist cause and because by attacking her he was directly insulting Elizabeth.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Anne's body was exhumed in the C19th as part of plans to reorganise the graves within St. Peter Ad Vincula (the church in the Tower of London). Other graves relocated included the resting place of Jane Grey, Robert Devereux and Katherine Howard (whose burial place/remains were in a very poor state). A brief examination was also carried out and the conclusion was that Anne had been a woman of average height with an oval face.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
@littlemisssunnydale True... Elizabeth's face is Anne's face. Good Queen Bess is the closest we come to seeing Anne, her mother. How proud she is of her daughter!
Purkette 1 year ago
can u please post the execution scene
123456gossip 3 years ago
They do not depict Anne's execution in this drama.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
oh thats weird thanks anyway.
123456gossip 3 years ago
i think she does a good anne,i am hoping to but together my own henry and anne,i have done the young henry and have done events like the lord mayors show in london.
loselegs 3 years ago
the best anne boleyn has got to be natalie dormer and anne of a thousand days
123456gossip 3 years ago
I totally agree with you.
supergirl011 3 years ago
I liked Bujold's performance overall, but did not enjoy Natalia Dormer as Anne. I found her highly boring and lacking much of Anne's feistiness. 'The Tudors' really doesn't do Anne justice (they hardly mention her religious affiliations which is highly annoying), and show her too much under the thumb of her relatives thus taking away much of Anne's own drive and intelligence.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
I don't think there has ever been a perfect, definitive take on Anne in any film/TV, but the actresses who did a good job were Tutin, Bujold and to some degree Jodhi May (the production she was in was awful but she tried her best and looked good as Anne).
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Thats very true but Its not all Natalie Dormer's fault The scripts are boring She's doing the best she can If the scripts got a better I think she & the rest of the cast could be brilliant The Tudors missed the mark here theres no denying that but Im not giving up on it yet
justlooking213 3 years ago
Sure the scripts are bad and as a result the characterisations of most of the figures are awful. However I have also not been impressed with the level of acting, notably from JRM (never been impressed with his acting skills) and the guy who plays Thomas Boleyn is just awful. Personally I see it as they have hired pretty actors not necessarily because they suit their roles, but because they look good whilst delivering poor lines. So glitz and glamour but not quality.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Thats why theres so much sexuality they settled for making a soap opera when they couldve explored this time & these people in a really meaningful way Maybe some day someone will get it right
justlooking213 3 years ago
For the love of God, I know this gets really annoying. When are you people going to accept that it is a departure of history? If they did everything so accurately, people would see it namy times and they would get bored of it. Seeing something different can be interesting at times. At least they got the Legatine Trial correct, which was the one thing I was hoping they would do right, and they did. To me, the script was neutral, and Natalie Dormer is a very good Anne Boleyn.
SpanishDescendent 3 years ago
@justlooking213 No one can play the real Anne Boleyn except Anne herself.
Purkette 1 year ago
is it just me or did that first kiss scene look a little bit awkward :S
its an ok portray i prefer the tudors and anne of the thousand days myself
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
I prefer The Tudors and Anne of the Thousand Days as well.
ABoleynFan1505 3 years ago
I have to disagree about 'The Tudors'. I have not been impressed with their take on Anne; such a boring perspective! They hired a pretty actress who spends most of her time pouting! And they hardly mention her religious affiliations and her own political initiative. Very disappointing.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Well, I have to disagree with you. Dormer makes a good Anne Boleyn, even if the religion thing wasn't shown much. I don't care much for accuracy, I only go after the acting.
supergirl011 3 years ago
When I first watched 'The Tudors' I actually tried to focus on aspects like acting instead of accuracy because I could tell that the writer had no respect for actual history. But in fact the acting was one of the reasons why I dislike the show so much. Some of the performances were awful (e.g. JRM as Henry, the guy who plays Thomas Boleyn, the guy who plays William Compton etc). ). I found Dormer quite lifeless and certainly not a suitable actress to play the role.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Rampling was alright I suppose.
supergirl011 3 years ago
She's a pretty Anne just like all the other actress' who have played her. And isnt Henry suppose to be thin when he meets, marry's and kills Anne?
Ladissea 3 years ago
i love your videos i check all the time for new ones keep posting!!!!!
reistettert 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Do you have more clips of this film? I have the miniseries on DVD but I can't find this film anywhere. The miniseries doesn't show his courtship with Anne.
eac1027 3 years ago
I agree with Beckyuk, Charlotte is the best Anne yet. Natalie Portman gave a good effort but,...
Phil4545 3 years ago
I love the music of this movie. Can you upload the overture of this film? I recall it had a lovely music.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
I will post it soon
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
I've posted it. The video is called 'Henry VIII's last speech to parliament'.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Thank you
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
For me the best Anne was Dorothy Tutin.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
She was good, but I can't *stand* her laugh!
I don't know if I like Rampling so much from this clip....this movie sure is different! Though lol, I think the guy who plays Cramner must have had a contract or something to always play Cramner in every Tudor BBC production! ;) I love him....
sherrilina 3 years ago
She is good, has a mischievous and slightly manipulative look about her. Thanks for the post!
ekateri28 3 years ago
Now this actor is believable as Henry the VIII.
caleacat 3 years ago 2
Charlotte was the best Anne in my opinion.
beckyuk2001 3 years ago