@gadawk Isaiah 21:13 A prophecy against Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia, bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives.They flee from the sword, from the drawn sword,
from the bent bow and from the heat of battle. " Do you know what Hejira means? Hejira - the flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina in 622 which marked the beginning of the Muslim era;the Muslim calendar begins in that year please check dictionary
@gadawk Does it make any sense to you that between buiding the temple of Jupiter in the holy place (Solomon's Temple) and the ministry of prophet Muhammad is 490 lunar years ? Mat 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— Emperor Hadrian built his abomination in 135 ad. 490 lunar years equal 476 years. 135 +476 = 611. Prophet Muhammad was born 571 ad and was 40 years old when he began
@gadawk2010 1John 4:2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. Well Islam does teach that Jesus came in the flesh. Islam does not teach that Jesus was light in the sky. The Quran calls Jesus the Messiah the son of Mary confirming the virgin birth. Muslims believe like the disciples believed: Acts 2:22 Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among u
@reignwithchrist God may excuse your lack of knowledge but once God provides the knowledge you lose your chance. Allah is a different word for referring to the Creator of all. Surely every language uses different words for the same concept. English uses the word God but Greek doesn't. Aramaic uses still a different word. Jesus shouts on the cross Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani?. Eloi = my God. Allah in Arabic means the God. My God in Arabic is Elaahi. compare with Eloi. Methinks Elaahi is closer
@ThePericlytos Sir, we must test the spirits to see whether they be from God or not: "For such men are false apostles [spurious, counterfeits], deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles (special messengers) of Christ (the Messiah). And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light; So it is not surprising if his servants also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. [But] their end will correspond with their deeds." II Corinthians 11:13-15 (Amplified Bible)
@ThePericlytos Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, that he was crucified for the sins of the world, that God raised him from the dead, and that he is Lord?
@gadawk2010 I do believe in the Quran as the litteral word of God. In the Quran God commands prophet Muhammad peace be on him to say:Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided."u r invited bro !
@ThePericlytos How do u know that it was God speaking to Muhammad? Were there any witnesses to what Muhammad claimed to have heard? How do u know it was not a demon spirit (Satan) that spoke to Muhammad during that time? 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." The Holy Bible has many witnesses to it's divine inspiration from the true and living God and Jesus Christ the Lord.
@reignwithchrist Quran 33:6 The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his wives are their mothers. And those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do to your close associates a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the Book inscribed. Can you see how 9:6 fits perfectly our prophet? You need a miracle to make it fit somebody who never married ...
@reignwithchrist Is 9:6 will defeat paganism and establish the kingdom of God on earth. He will be called everlasting father not the eternal son of God. You will be surprised to know that Muslims call the wives of the prophet "Mothers of the believers" and that they were not alowed to marry after the prophet died because they were legally considred mothers of the nation. Doesn't this make the prophet of Islam eternal father of all believers?Methinks it fits Muhammad more than Jesus peace on both
@regnwithchrist Being called god or the son of God in the OT does not make a person devine. eg: psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (eohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. So the person prophecied in Isiah 9:6 will be more powerful than Moses because Moses was given authority over pharao only whereas 9:6 will defeat the Romans, the Greeks, the Medo Persians and Babel
@reignwithchrist You need to ask yourself why is it that God had a name in the OT but not in the NT? Did you know that Jupiter comes from 'jurans pater' meaning helping father? Did you know that Zeus was a father and a husband too?
The God of Abraham was neither father nor mother He was high above any such human terms. God spoke to Moses directly he never told him I have a son called Jesus. Why would God misguide Moses and his chosen people for thousands of years and suddenly guide the gentiles?
@reignwithchrist Sorry I addressed gadawk instead of you earlier on; please refer to my answers below. My criticism of gadawk was that he was confusing the son with the father. Can you call the father the son of man ? Did the father incarnate? Has anybody seen the father? Did the father die on the cross? Was the father begotten? Hallowed be thy name! Does the father have a name? Does the father have a throne? Can you call anybody your father on earth? Did Jesus worship the father? Father = GOD
@ThePericlytos You haven't convinced me of anything. I said Thanks for the Wake up call because you gave us one. Now we are on high alert. Now that I know you are a Muslim I can more fully understand your intent. Jesus is the Great I am. Jesus is the Son of Man. Jesus created all things. Jesus is our Savior. Jesus is our Kinsman Redeemer. He said, I and the Father are one.
You have a much bigger problem than is Jesus God. Your problem is that you are following a false god named Allah.
@gadawk God's word created the flesh of Jesus like it created the world in six days. When God said: "let there be light" the word(LOGUS) did not become light; it simply created light. Metaphorically, we can say "the word became light", but literally the word created light. So Jesus is the word of God in that sense. It is unfortunate that whithin Christianity there were groups who wanted to promote Jesus to a deity along the lines of Roman pagan theology where Octavian was knows as divi filius
@gadawk you got that one right bro. I am a Muslim who cares about his Christian bretheren. I am pleased that you now recognise that the son is not the father and that the Father is called the ancient of days and not the son. The father is nowehere referred to as the son of man and he never incarnated in human flesh. So far so good but what I want is more. I would like you to recognise that when we say Jesus is the WORD of God we don't mean that God's word became flesh burt rather God's word ===>
@reignwithchrist If Jesus is both "the son of man" and "the anicient of days", how can "the son of man" come to "the ancient of days" and be presented before him? 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him." Just how?. quoting another chapter does not explain why Jesus needed to come to Jesus and be presented before him. It is simple English bro. Wake up!
@ThePericlytos Jesus isn't coming to Jesus to be presented. The Son is being presented before the Father. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God represented in three ways. Quoting Revelation was to show you that the Son of Man has the same identification as the Ancient of Days. The Father and the Son are one. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Read Isaiah 9:6. This verse is an example of what I am talking about. In this verse the son is also called mighty God and Eternal Father.
@ThePericlytos Thanks for the Wake up call! By the way, are you Islamic? I only ask because your name here ThePericlytos leads me to believe you are Islamic. Some Muslims think this word Periclytos is a foretelling of the prophet Muhammad.
I am sorry but you have ignored my question. The son of man and the ancient of days are two different persons "...he (the son of man) came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him". We know from the NT that Jesus is the son of man. This suggests that the ancient of days is the God (the father). Why do you need to mix them ? Surely the son of man coming on the clouds is Jesus not the father.
@ThePericlytos I know this question is for GADAWK2010, but I feel led to answer you. In Revelation 1:13-14 we learn that the Ancient of Days is the Son of Man. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These are three persons of the Godhead. There is only one God, but he presents himself in three ways. As Father, as Savior, and as Comforter. In Dan 7:14 that the Ancient of Days is giving the Son of Man glory and a kingdom. Isaiah 48:11 I will not give my Glory to another.
@ThePericlytos Compare for yourself the description of the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7:9 and the Son of Man in Revelation 1:13-14. They are the same. Don't you know that Jesus said, I and the Father are one in John 10:30. Don't you know that every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? Phillipians 2:10-11. God say's the same thing about himself in Isaiah 45:23.
Again, there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are 1 God in the persons.
@reignwithchrist Amen brother, u have accurately stated the facts pertaining to the divinity of Jesus Christ who is the one and only Savior of this world.
I really can't understand how you can entertain the possibility that Jesus is "the ancient of days" and the "son of man" at the same time, when Dan's vision says: "Dn 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him." Is this an honsest oversight or is it deliberate misinormation ?
@ThePericlytos "As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them Until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High [God], and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom." Daniel 7:21,22 "...and behold, a white horse [appeared]! The One Who was riding it is called Faithful and True, and He passes judgment and wages war in righteousness...And the beast was seized and overpowered..." Rev. 19:11-21
@ThePericlytos "For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6 ;
"For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called." Isaiah 54:5
"And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
@ThePericlytos Sir, the Holy Bible makes it very clear that Jesus Christ is God Almighty, and besides Him there is no other Savior for your soul or anyone elses soul to be saved from eternity in the lake of fire.
@ibrowzu Sir, u r wrong about Jesus not being in the book of Daniel:
"Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counselors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire...I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Daniel 3:24,25
@gadawk Isaiah 21:13 A prophecy against Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia, bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives.They flee from the sword, from the drawn sword,
from the bent bow and from the heat of battle. " Do you know what Hejira means? Hejira - the flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina in 622 which marked the beginning of the Muslim era;the Muslim calendar begins in that year please check dictionary
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@gadawk Does it make any sense to you that between buiding the temple of Jupiter in the holy place (Solomon's Temple) and the ministry of prophet Muhammad is 490 lunar years ? Mat 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— Emperor Hadrian built his abomination in 135 ad. 490 lunar years equal 476 years. 135 +476 = 611. Prophet Muhammad was born 571 ad and was 40 years old when he began
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@gadawk2010 1John 4:2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. Well Islam does teach that Jesus came in the flesh. Islam does not teach that Jesus was light in the sky. The Quran calls Jesus the Messiah the son of Mary confirming the virgin birth. Muslims believe like the disciples believed: Acts 2:22 Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among u
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist God may excuse your lack of knowledge but once God provides the knowledge you lose your chance. Allah is a different word for referring to the Creator of all. Surely every language uses different words for the same concept. English uses the word God but Greek doesn't. Aramaic uses still a different word. Jesus shouts on the cross Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani?. Eloi = my God. Allah in Arabic means the God. My God in Arabic is Elaahi. compare with Eloi. Methinks Elaahi is closer
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Sir, we must test the spirits to see whether they be from God or not: "For such men are false apostles [spurious, counterfeits], deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles (special messengers) of Christ (the Messiah). And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light; So it is not surprising if his servants also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. [But] their end will correspond with their deeds." II Corinthians 11:13-15 (Amplified Bible)
gadawk2010 3 months ago
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@ThePericlytos Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, that he was crucified for the sins of the world, that God raised him from the dead, and that he is Lord?
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
@gadawk2010 I do believe in the Quran as the litteral word of God. In the Quran God commands prophet Muhammad peace be on him to say:Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided."u r invited bro !
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos How do u know that it was God speaking to Muhammad? Were there any witnesses to what Muhammad claimed to have heard? How do u know it was not a demon spirit (Satan) that spoke to Muhammad during that time? 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." The Holy Bible has many witnesses to it's divine inspiration from the true and living God and Jesus Christ the Lord.
gadawk2010 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist Quran 33:6 The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his wives are their mothers. And those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do to your close associates a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the Book inscribed. Can you see how 9:6 fits perfectly our prophet? You need a miracle to make it fit somebody who never married ...
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Sir, do u believe in the Quran? Tell me where the teachings and sayings in the Quran came from?
gadawk2010 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist Is 9:6 will defeat paganism and establish the kingdom of God on earth. He will be called everlasting father not the eternal son of God. You will be surprised to know that Muslims call the wives of the prophet "Mothers of the believers" and that they were not alowed to marry after the prophet died because they were legally considred mothers of the nation. Doesn't this make the prophet of Islam eternal father of all believers?Methinks it fits Muhammad more than Jesus peace on both
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@regnwithchrist Being called god or the son of God in the OT does not make a person devine. eg: psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (eohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. So the person prophecied in Isiah 9:6 will be more powerful than Moses because Moses was given authority over pharao only whereas 9:6 will defeat the Romans, the Greeks, the Medo Persians and Babel
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist You need to ask yourself why is it that God had a name in the OT but not in the NT? Did you know that Jupiter comes from 'jurans pater' meaning helping father? Did you know that Zeus was a father and a husband too?
The God of Abraham was neither father nor mother He was high above any such human terms. God spoke to Moses directly he never told him I have a son called Jesus. Why would God misguide Moses and his chosen people for thousands of years and suddenly guide the gentiles?
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos You haven't convinced me of anything. I said Thanks for the Wake up call because you gave us one. Now we are on high alert. Now that I know you are a Muslim I can more fully understand your intent. Jesus is the Great I am. Jesus is the Son of Man. Jesus created all things. Jesus is our Savior. Jesus is our Kinsman Redeemer. He said, I and the Father are one.
You have a much bigger problem than is Jesus God. Your problem is that you are following a false god named Allah.
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
@gadawk God's word created the flesh of Jesus like it created the world in six days. When God said: "let there be light" the word(LOGUS) did not become light; it simply created light. Metaphorically, we can say "the word became light", but literally the word created light. So Jesus is the word of God in that sense. It is unfortunate that whithin Christianity there were groups who wanted to promote Jesus to a deity along the lines of Roman pagan theology where Octavian was knows as divi filius
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@gadawk you got that one right bro. I am a Muslim who cares about his Christian bretheren. I am pleased that you now recognise that the son is not the father and that the Father is called the ancient of days and not the son. The father is nowehere referred to as the son of man and he never incarnated in human flesh. So far so good but what I want is more. I would like you to recognise that when we say Jesus is the WORD of God we don't mean that God's word became flesh burt rather God's word ===>
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist If Jesus is both "the son of man" and "the anicient of days", how can "the son of man" come to "the ancient of days" and be presented before him? 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him." Just how?. quoting another chapter does not explain why Jesus needed to come to Jesus and be presented before him. It is simple English bro. Wake up!
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Jesus isn't coming to Jesus to be presented. The Son is being presented before the Father. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God represented in three ways. Quoting Revelation was to show you that the Son of Man has the same identification as the Ancient of Days. The Father and the Son are one. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Read Isaiah 9:6. This verse is an example of what I am talking about. In this verse the son is also called mighty God and Eternal Father.
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Thanks for the Wake up call! By the way, are you Islamic? I only ask because your name here ThePericlytos leads me to believe you are Islamic. Some Muslims think this word Periclytos is a foretelling of the prophet Muhammad.
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
I am sorry but you have ignored my question. The son of man and the ancient of days are two different persons "...he (the son of man) came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him". We know from the NT that Jesus is the son of man. This suggests that the ancient of days is the God (the father). Why do you need to mix them ? Surely the son of man coming on the clouds is Jesus not the father.
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos I know this question is for GADAWK2010, but I feel led to answer you. In Revelation 1:13-14 we learn that the Ancient of Days is the Son of Man. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These are three persons of the Godhead. There is only one God, but he presents himself in three ways. As Father, as Savior, and as Comforter. In Dan 7:14 that the Ancient of Days is giving the Son of Man glory and a kingdom. Isaiah 48:11 I will not give my Glory to another.
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Compare for yourself the description of the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7:9 and the Son of Man in Revelation 1:13-14. They are the same. Don't you know that Jesus said, I and the Father are one in John 10:30. Don't you know that every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? Phillipians 2:10-11. God say's the same thing about himself in Isaiah 45:23.
Again, there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are 1 God in the persons.
reignwithchrist 3 months ago
@reignwithchrist Amen brother, u have accurately stated the facts pertaining to the divinity of Jesus Christ who is the one and only Savior of this world.
gadawk2010 3 months ago
I really can't understand how you can entertain the possibility that Jesus is "the ancient of days" and the "son of man" at the same time, when Dan's vision says: "Dn 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him." Is this an honsest oversight or is it deliberate misinormation ?
ThePericlytos 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos "As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them Until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High [God], and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom." Daniel 7:21,22 "...and behold, a white horse [appeared]! The One Who was riding it is called Faithful and True, and He passes judgment and wages war in righteousness...And the beast was seized and overpowered..." Rev. 19:11-21
gadawk2010 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos "For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6 ;
"For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called." Isaiah 54:5
gadawk2010 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos -- Revelation 21:9
"And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
gadawk2010 3 months ago
@ThePericlytos Sir, the Holy Bible makes it very clear that Jesus Christ is God Almighty, and besides Him there is no other Savior for your soul or anyone elses soul to be saved from eternity in the lake of fire.
gadawk2010 3 months ago
jesus is nowhere in the ook of daniel brother
ibrowzu 4 months ago
@ibrowzu Sir, u r wrong about Jesus not being in the book of Daniel:
"Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counselors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire...I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Daniel 3:24,25
gadawk2010 4 months ago
@gadawk2010 which son of god sir there were many?
ibrowzu 4 months ago
Just the plain truth to the bone! The word of God is for certain and always true! We can always trust it! Amen!
Midiman45 5 months ago
@Midiman45 Thank you brother for your encouragement and support.
be blessed!
gadawk2010 5 months ago