Oh my friends this the truy the Dine to sobrvivence on the dexert much to him and on water to also and it is a matere much amportent for me,per what i stay to lesson the persons to respect the leviathan what stay to whrinten in the Holy Bible in the Job c 41 to complet, on time this i thank the your eyes and say God bless you in the name of Jesus amem.
your skin will penetrate all that you pierce, now go out freind as you rule the seas strike the wicked fast for you will not be detected nor heard and when you strike they shall panic. cracken go deep and crush the blind fish in your grips and it's poison shall be removed by thy friends beneath,.
I see, because the U.S. use HAARP in peru - pisco for its research agenda to explore in places of great importance in ancient knowledge and assertiveness have this habit of that. and after being discovered gets the credit and we are kept in ignorance. well anyway it is interesting that of the leviathan turned out to be a whale and not a snake will say that South America after the ancient Atlantis is let to continue their investigations we have resources that have the gringos.
@sukruoosten im not exactly aware of what you are talking about cause this video has nothing to do with reptiles or anything covered in scales but what you said is amazingly inccorect. i mean i get that a t rex is big an all but trying to say it could have gone into a place like this or anyware in teh ocean that is deeper than lets say an estimated 20ft is just stupid. they didnt know how to swim because there brain is like the size of a walnut and there arms were stubby so....thoery disproved
@Horrorlord1 Lol what about it? Its a common error to thing that Liopleurodon would be a match for megalodon. For starters, they lived millions of years appart, unlike this whale, and second, Megalodon was 10-15 ft larger, had a stronger bite, was probably faster, and had more developed sense of a shark.
@Darklarik Did I say that it would be any match for megalodon? No... So why did you start to lecture me on something I have studied. I was just thinking of how a battle between a megalodon and a liopleurodon would be... I just wanted your opinion on what would happen. I know that megalodon did not have anything larger hunting it at those times, so it wouldn't have experience of fighting another large predator?
@Horrorlord1 But it would. Megalodon would have the expirience of fighting this whale in the video, which is roughly the same size as a Meg, not to mention expirience from fighting other Megs, and pack hunting Basilosaurus. Havent yah seen Jurassic Fight Club?
(Face palm). You idiots psalms in the bible clearly states the Leviathan is a lizard type creature, not a stupid prehistoric sperm whale. Thumbs up if you agree.
@mjglader -Leviathan was described in detail in the Book of Job, and was clearly a (scaled) sea monster. In Psalms it had mulitiple heads. So until we discover a multiheaded sea dragon, this animal is as good a representation of Leviathan as any. Also, as the man in the video says, the name is more clearly a reference to the novel Moby Dick. So you disagree with how they named this whale, so what. When you discover something cool I'm sure you'll give it a very fitting name!
@jackkoffin1 yes, youre right. also, the book of job says that spears are like rotten wood to the leviathan.... also the leviathan flashes light (fire) from its nostrils... I think that its a dragon.. a dragon that's huuuuge and hiding in the ocean, waiting to come out :)
Gigantism and dwarfism in marine mammalian species is fascinating. This monster is more than I can imagine, but how this happens makes me wonder if we are missing something important when these fossils get classified? Evolution aside; how did it get so big? The diet of such lifeforms must have been ravenous?
@granddad2002 You're right, one of the most amazing thing about ancient animals is how big they seemed to get. This probably had to do with the amount of available food and space they had. Notably, as Humans have dominated the food chain and cultivated more land, we are ourselves decreasing the populations of current giants. Whales, Elephants, Rhinos, Mountain Gorillas, Polar Bears are all dying out, leaving behind smaller and smaller animals. Rats, meanwhile, are getting bigger!
@TangenRock You forget one thing. Whales are social animals. Plus a 1v1 fight can go anyway. Any way it'd be more like Megalodon vs Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan. Megs messes with one of the pod and all of a sudden he has a bunch of heavily built living battering rams with teeth coming after him.
@oddXmanXout They just named it leviathan because it was so big and it sounded like a good name because the word leviathan means-anything of immense size and power . That in no way says that it was a descendant of the levaithan.
Well u also have to look at the bible where the name originally comes from "Leviathan" and it was the most feared animal in the water serpent-like and it describe it as teeth so close to each other that air can not come between it, this might it been it.
@victorsaldivar1 The scales were so tight that not even air can come between them. Not the teeth. Read Job 41. Doesn't sound like a whale to me. Also you will see in verse 15 and 16 that it is "scales" you're thinking of, not teeth. Peace brother.
@victorsaldivar1@victorsaldivar1 It died out before the species before us could make fire. Secondly, air could certainly go through its teeth. If they're lining up like that, its only not passing through at the tips. Try mashing some triangles together. A bet a bible would pass through its teeth. Hopefully allowing the people living within to be saved. I assume every ancient whale had a city or at least a boat load of people in it?
so this giant whale as with the killer whale could immobalize sharks by turning them over ....well with this whales giant head i see no problem then the teeth come into play
@DisneyClassicsFan Indeed! And there a BIG discussion about who wins in a fight! LOL! I think that that guy tehd555 is arguing well, but I still don't know who would win the battle heheheh!
And its Funny how some kids fight saying a megaldon will eat this haha cmon we all know even a Killer Whale will kill a white shark the same think its aplid for this. Its just like this: Leviathan was bigger and have bigger theets than the Megalodon so Megalodon will be ripped off in a fight.
watching the video i notice one think: ICA a Town in Peru is possibly the rarest and scary place in the world, first the Nazca Lines (gigants and rare draws and symbols in the field) and now this the biggest predator alive right there wow dont travel to that place xD!
@Ashterrs Well u have to look at the fact that they had a city up in the freaking mountains and it looks to high right now for us to be so freaking high, but maybe everything around it was water and has dried down with time.
HOLY SHEEEET A SPERM WHALE DOUBLE DENTED AND X 10 TIMES AGGRESIVE OMG. WE SHOULD CALL THIS KILLER TITAN THE (U-Predator) Ultimate Predator and i think this monster can pwn both : Megalodon and X Predator
I can see that most are comparing this animal to the megalodon. Meg was built to tackle whales. It's true that this whale has a long 10 foot long snout, but it's jaws are are half as wide than the meg. as with all mammals, most of its teeth are half exposed. so a 36cm teeth would only expose 17cm. a meg teeth would expose same length as well, as sharks don't have cavities on the jaws for the tooth. a meg would still beat it.
Megalodon reached around 18 m full grown, weighing at this lenght more than 70 tons. It was a stockier version of GWS. Some of the largest could have exceeded 20 m and 90 tons. Megalodon lived before, during and after Leviathan existence. Megalodon attacked during Pliocene large and modern cetaceans. Megalodon had a power bite between 10,8 and 18,2 tons.
Leviathan is really impressive yeah, but...Meg have the upper hand yet.
As big and bad as it is, like the megalodon it would still be wiped out by us humans if they managed to survive to modern times. Neither this or Megalodon could stand a chance against our whaling fleets and exploding harpoons. Hell we're not even trying and we're easily decimating modern whales and sharks like the great white.
I recommend you guys research "biology of sharks and rays" then look up "Megaladon"copyright date is 2003, this isn't anywhere near out dated, but is a very wide and almost complete source (as complete as these things can be) on megaladon, a big monster shark, but not some mythical exaggeration.
@pyroman1000k Megalodon did have the strongest bite force of any animal it was cabable of a bite force of 24,000 to 40,000 pounds (10,900 to 18,100 kilograms). Which is higher then any any animal.
That's a bunch of balony done off of nothing, if it was sized up from a great white, at best it'd bite with 9-10,000 lbs since the great whites bite is pretty weak. PS predator x had a bite force of 30,000lbs
@pyroman1000k Right? Like you know better then the people who did the scientific tests for the Megalodons bite force. All take the opinon of a shark expert over yours anyday.
@pyroman1000k again with the bullshit, you make up facts you dumbshit, i've already sent you a scientific study on meg's bite force though, read it and stop making an idiot out of yourself.
some people post megalodon size at 80ft,but most scientists claim thats wrong,megalodon size they estimated is around 40-60ft,this 1 is around same area at 40-60ft,both about same size,but this 1 av huge teeth n probly more smarter than megalodon,so this new whale will win 80% of the time coz oh that,mega will win sometimes,but it av to surprise attack this new whale to win,in a even fight,leviathan whale owns megalodon.
killer whales own white sharks,back then we thought mega own the sea's,but it looks like this 1 can fuck megadon easily just like killer whale can fuck up a white shark easily innit,proof why this 1 owns megalodon is the sperm whale(grandchild of this) is still around n still fucken huge n the white shark(megalodon grandchild) av to evolve to be small to hide from the big boys whales,still another whale owns white shark today that is killer whale.
@fmoa do you know how orcas take down great whites? Obviously not. They ram great whites so they can turn them over. Once upside down, the geat white goes in to this state in which it's unconcious. Do you know how much Megalodons weigh? 114 tons at 67 feet. Orcas are larger than great whites in present time btw, by atleast 1.5 times. Megalodon was bigger than Leviathan Melville. Megalodon isn't just a enlarged great white either.They are much more bulkier and agressive.
@pyroman1000k Thats the average size of megalodon and max size of leviatha. Newer estimates put it at 20.5 meters. Leviathan never reached 20 meters. Even the articles said they ranged from 13 to 18 meters max.
@pyroman1000k seriously 13 meters to 15 meters? If the largest Megalodon tooth so far is 3 times the size of a great whites tooth what makes you think it couldn't have been 67 feet long? 60 feet is the smallest possible size for a shark with 7 inch teeth
There are some animals with proportionally bigger teeth with out the size changing much, look right here, this sperm whale wasn't really bigger at all then a bull sperm whale, but it's teeth literally dwarfed it's current cousin.
@pyroman1000k I know but a 7 inch tooth would definately be from a 60 foot individual. 7 inches is about 2.8 times the size of a great whites' tooth but 60 feet is less than 2.8 times the size of the tooth so if it did have large teeth in comparison to body, it would be 60 feet at smallest for a Megallodon. I honestly don't think that it would have large teeth in relation to body size. It's more likely for it to have smaller teeth in comparison to body.
That science is bunk, we do not know the structure of it's jaw, we don't know how many teeth it had at it's front row for hunting, we don't know much about this fish, but we do have skeletal impressions, and with teeth we have gotten a fairly good grasp on the size, and it's something like 43 ft. That's really big, but it's not 60 feet long for sure. Not that it didn't eat whales, it just didn't stand a chance of going against a predatory cetacean.
@pyroman1000k theres alot of bite marks found on brygmopthyseters, a prehistoric 40 foot long sperm whale. Brygmopthyseters were predatory cetaceans aren't they?
There are bit marks on skeletons of full grown death blue whales, there are bite marks on Tyranasaurus skeletons, there are bite marks on just about ever creature, because they die, and something will eat them.
@pyroman1000k And what was killing all these animals? Most of these victims didn't die of old age. You can tell what happened to it just by looking at the fossil
...............The fossils are typically of a fully grown whale, as big as they come, which would likely mean it could have been a dead of dying animal...........the fossils don't show any epic struggle. The only fossils that have really proved predation are those that have scarred bone, but healed, such as tyranasaurus attack victims who've healed then fossilized.
Maybe u dont know ive da original pdf article published by palaeontologists and i red it. I even say da mathematical calculations 4 sizes. Deres only a SINGLE leviathan skull, so we have more dan 1 specimen 4 sayin "some specimens r bigga dan odas". Dat skull is most likely an average specimen
Now, da 13 m estimate is based on physeter macrocephalus (sperm whale)
Da 18 m estimate is based on zygophyseter, an extinct basal physeteroid
Leviathan, zygophyseter and physeter r all physeteroids, but physeter is a derived physeteroid (physeterid) too. Leviathan and zygophyseter r BASAL physeteroids. Dat is, leviathan is physically more similar 2 zygophyseter dan 2 physeter
So, both estimates apply on DIS SINGLE SKULL, but da 18 m estimated is way more probable 2 be right
@fmoa Great whites generally avoid attack areas like the rib cage but Megalodon's target that. They also target flippers and the thiner parts towards the back so they can stop the prey from moving.
This is all fake we all know that the world was created ca. 5000 yrs ago. Go away with your scientific rubbish,. I don't want to see or hear about facts all I need is one book to know all there is... /sarcasm
megaladon for sure didn't have the strongest bite force, there are creatures near it's size such as ancient crocodiles, and in proportions it would have no change at having the strongest bite force as the great white only has a bite force between 600-700 while salt water crocodiles have over 3,000, and predator x is estimated 30,000lbs.
@pooperstar2, whales come in different sizes and this Leviathan was recently discovered, this isn't Flipper we are talking about, but a huge killer that would pwn Mega.
@TsarSamuil ... no, sharks are far more efficient in design and hunting technique compared to the sperm whale and its relatives. faster, more agile, can dive deeper for longer, even more devastating bite (tear out several cubic meters of flesh in a bite, tons worth of whale)
some sharks can go deeper then sperm whales, but that's basically only the puny sharks, such as the 6 gill and goblin shark. Many think megaladon died out because of the orca which likely killed it's offspring and took it's food. Whales, are more intelligent, bigger, and stronger. There's even video of one orca killing a same size great white with one bite placed to the back of the neck, that's why whales are superior, brain power, they know what to do.
@pyroman1000k first off, the shark that was killed was a small immature great white, killed by a much larger orca, hardly a benchmark. second, those sizes are not relevant to creatures 50-100 times the weight. "some"belive that thats why meg died yes.. but a infant meg would be the size of a great white, and orca's attacking great whites is very rare. most scientists speculate that whales migrating to colder waters starved off meg. as for depth, leviathan is not a sperm whale, we do not know
oh the megaladon has been so exaggerated, and way over glamorized by obvious fake teeth which people put together to make a foot long (which by the way, this whales teeth are longer then the megaladon fake teeth that are out there). The conservative estimate of the megaladon is between 50-60 feet, and it isn't not currently recognized as the largest tooth predator, that's the bull sperm whale, and this creature now is likely to take record for largest teeth.
@pyroman1000k yeah i know that. a large meg would have 7 in. plus sized teeth... but unlike leviathan it would have had a much larger number of much more damaging teeth... as for the sperm whale, its hardly suited to engage large massive creatures. max size of meg is currently at 67 or so feet and 103 tons, about the same max size as a sperm whale (estimates for a sperm whale above 20 meters are now considered dubious or false) Meg had a huge number of teeth in a huge mouth, a deadlier bite
Sperm whales are known for being combative and the males to fight off killer whale pods, and to consume giant squid, and colossal squid. Sperm whales actually fight for a meal and have the scars to prove it, white sharks (meaning the great white) simply surprise their meal, or scavenge, which is likely what it did for the whales it ate, it was most likely a super scavenger.
@pyroman1000k ah come on... bull sperm whales bump into things with their head, and orca's stay clear because even a pod of orca's could not kill off a bull sperm whale, it is simply too big, not because it would eat the orcas... one encounter of a cub blue whale and a pod of adult orcas ended with the cub escaping because the orca's could not kill it. squids are boneless creatures and normal sized ones are swallowed whole. great whites are hunters, and like many hunters they
Sperm whales don't just "bump" into things, they ram them, there are stories of old whalers having their vessels destroyed by giant bull sperm whales, also for hunting all sperm whales have a specialized sonar that they can use as a cannon of sound that is believed to stun large prey. .
@pyroman1000k yeah... bump into each other, sure if it hits a ship you would call it ramming, it is still just the whale swimming into another animal. don't expect it to kill anything as big as itself. as for its sonar, it might be able to stun squid of certain sizes, it has never been observed to my knowledge though... would it work on meg? not a chance, and meg's a shark, it will ALWAYS be the one doing the ambush, it can detect leviathan, not the other way around.
.........it didn't bump into ships, these ships were hunting it, so the whale new what to do, it destroyed those ships, it had the power to do that, and this isn't a surf board that great white flip, this is a multi million pound 100ft exceeding vessel that would be taken down. I'd have to say sonar beats smelling, it's what allows cetaceans to see what sharks can't.
@pyroman1000k multi million pound what... it only ever happened once and the ship was not THAT big ... ugh ill just leave you at that...
smelling? its not about smell, but electromagnetic interference that sharks can sense, they can feel muscle activity of their prey... much more effective that sonar, which only works if the whale makes an effort to use it, which it would not if it was being ambushed.
Only happened once? Oh, so that must be the reason for the dozens of stories............................right? You don't see sharks digging in the sand to catch the fish, even with their sixth sense it's blocked, and those fish adaptation works against them, but you see a dolphin come by, use it's sonar and it dives into the sand and catches a fish. .
@pyroman1000k what? rays are shark, and they eat concealed fish 24/7 other sharks don't bother with them as they have other prey items... and i have never heard of a dolphin using sonar to find a fish so i wont comment on that.
and it only happened in one documented incident, the whaler essex i believe was sunk by a sperm whale, of course fisherman stories would arise from such an incident .... its not rocked science.
@pyroman1000k take advantage when dead whales are found, there are no such thing as a 1-2 ton scavenger in the ocean, dead animals sink to the bottom and are picked clean by fish, sharks do not scavenge, they hunt. and are the best in the ocean at it too, far more effective than any toothed whale. saying otherwise is really laughable. the shark design has been an evolutionary success for hundreds of millions of years. meg's supreme reign of the world's oceans for 10 million years prove that
Bodies tend to float for a while before they actually sink to the bottom, and with plenty of cetaceans in the ocean, and a megaladon with a superior sense of smelling I'm sure he did just fine, up until the orcas pushed him to extinction. If meg was so great then why was he pushed to extinction by the superior orca? As many scientists believe.
@pyroman1000k what are you talking about? meg dying to orca's is a theory among many, and very fw subscribe to it, meg coexisted with orca's for almost 10 million years.. there is nothing that suggest it was driven to extinction by an animal which, even in large pods fail to kill of whales close to the size of meg itself. the most accepted and believed theory is that the comming of the ice ages caused waters up north to cool, and whales would "escape" there, leaving meg to starve (cont)
What are you talking about? Orca's are known to kill entire pods of female sperm whales, and to frequently taken down other cetaceans............but you make it sound like their unsuccessful most of the time. PS, we still don't know when the leviathan died out, we only have one enormous skull and teeth.
@pyroman1000k yeah... a pod of half a dozen adult orca's are known to box in say a female sperm whale and wear it down and drown it... it is not like they rend and tear at the animal like a shark would do. i've already told you about the cub blue whale incident so i will not repeat myself. orca's mostly hunt seals like sharks do though...
...........have you ever seen orcas hunt? They first pound their target, then they begin to shred it with their teeth, it was shown an entire pod of female sperm whales with killed calves, and with all members having life threatening gashes. PS, when an animal gets away from an orca, it's typically because the orca was playing............haven't you ever seen them toss a seal back and forth, just to let it go.
@pyroman1000k an orca can't produce a serious wound on a 12-15 meter whale.. a sperm whale have a huge layer of blubber that must be overcome, an orca's jaw is not that impressive to puncture veins in an adult sperm whale, a cub maybe. you should link to the vid showing that incident-
as for the playing point, whats your point? we're discussing orca's ability to take on a full grown meg, i just ment to say that orca's usually feed on seals and small whales like dolphins etc
Look it up yourself, it's on youtube of the orca attack on a pod of sperm whales, so you can see it for yourself, and they frequently kill humpacks, that's on video to. What the orca did was take the megs food, and kill off it's offspring, but a pod could easily drive one away as it would be much slower.
@pyroman1000k a meg's infant would be the size of a great white, it would not take it long to be as large as a orca... hardly an easy prey for an orca. like i said before, shortage of food was its downfall, not orca's, if they were part of the equation they had a small role in it.
The size of a great white? Maybe a small great white, and that's assuming that Megaladon gave live birth and didn't lay eggs like many sharks do. Orcas easily kill great whites, 1 orca is on video killing a full grown great white in a couple seconds, if you'd like to look that up.
@pyroman1000k ... the orca killed a young great white, 3 meter if memories serve... again you show little knowledge beyond the general incident... and many believe meg were at least somewhat related to great white and its kin, which have live babies... a meg's infant would be 4 meters long i believe.
@pyroman1000k there was never a time when a orca killed a full grown great white. Theres a website that talks alot about the incident. I'll send you it.
@pyroman1000k in the more food scarce warmer waters, orca's however evolved to cope with the colder waters and could now hunt in safety from meg in the colder waters. that you just assert the most unlikely reason for meg's extinction as fact reeks of a bias on your part, educate yourself.
Your views about Megalodon are out dated. 15 m, 48 tons wasn't the max, but the average size esimted from the studies of a 6,6 inches tooth, the largest tooth that Dr Gottfried owned in 1996. Since there was much larger teeth found, from what they've done other estimate.
Megalodon is commonly described able to reach more than 17 m, for 65 tons, and the maximum possible lenght is placed at 20 m.
No, 15 meters was the estimated max, as well was 48 tons, that was what they estimated was it's max, they also felt that Meg. was closer related to sandtiger shark. The estimate that my website has is by Dr. Gottfired. My of those larger teeth are complete and utter fakes, such as the women with the tooth more then a foot long, it's a complete and utter fake, and these litter the market, I could buy one. Meg was 15 meters, and 48 tons, people inflate it so much.
i'm not talking about the fake teeth about more than one foot long.
Look, the 52 feet, 50 tons, estimate was done in 1996 when Gottfried had only a 6,6 inches tooth in his hand. Since, news and larger teeth have been found, and since the formula from Gottfried (and also the formula of Dr Jeremiah) have been used on these teeth. The fact is now that Megalodon was up to more than 60 feet, and was a very massive shark. Go on wikipedia, there are many sources about this.
No, wiki doesn't sucks because you have access to the best sources at the down of the pages. All your sources are outdated. You are talking about elasmo-research right ? This is the website about what I was talking about, made from research done in 1996. It's outdated, contact Gottfried, he will assume that Megalodon is now indicated to have been more than 16 m and 50 tons. And look at the sources of the Meg page of Wiki.
Then, there's no reason that even an average 15 m Meg couldn't beat a Leviathan.
This shark is already as long and as bulky, maybe bukier (it was bulkier than a Great White at the same lenght) and more than this, Megalodon lived long after than Leviathan disappeared. Think about that.
It would only make sense that leviathan would be a form of sperm whale, as it is a tooth whale with similar skull structure, but I leave that to the scientists.
@pyroman1000k Yeah, most likley, but not specialized like modern sperm whales are, it likley engaged smaller whales, unlikely it took on prey the size of itself. would its relative long and flimsy (in comparison to bodyweight) jaws be safe to use on a 100 ton trashing whale? the Meg however specialized in the same animals, and larger whales, likley even the leviathan itself. it is likley it went extinct due to it loosing the arms race with meg, which is why there are so few remains of it.
You're calling it's jaws flimsy? An animal that would put a tyrannosaurus jaws to shame? This creatures jaws where simply enormous and backed with a lot of muscle. Have you ever noticed in paleontology you'll find less skeletons of a tyrannosaurus then say a deinotocus, but that definitely doesn't make it a meaner beast. You'll find mind allasaurs then you will of giganotasaurus, so obviously what your saying is very pointless.
@pyroman1000k a long and compared to body size thin jaw is not suited to hold onto a 100 ton animal thrashing about. scientists here suggest it fed on small to medium sized baleen whales which are 6-9 meters i believe and 3-10 tons in weight. in the water, the whale would have to contain its prey's entire weight, as opposed to land where weight is dispersed where it stands, a t'rex never had to contain the entire weight of its prey in its jaws, leviathan's jaws is unsuited for large game.
Oh my friends this the truy the Dine to sobrvivence on the dexert much to him and on water to also and it is a matere much amportent for me,per what i stay to lesson the persons to respect the leviathan what stay to whrinten in the Holy Bible in the Job c 41 to complet, on time this i thank the your eyes and say God bless you in the name of Jesus amem.
OrgMissiLiNeInchrist 2 months ago
@OrgMissiLiNeInchrist i have no idea wut u just said
XxsmigglyxX 1 month ago
your skin will penetrate all that you pierce, now go out freind as you rule the seas strike the wicked fast for you will not be detected nor heard and when you strike they shall panic. cracken go deep and crush the blind fish in your grips and it's poison shall be removed by thy friends beneath,.
daggertoungeomega 3 months ago
Bitch I thought this was the mother fucking Megalodon
Ravenger51 3 months ago
I see, because the U.S. use HAARP in peru - pisco for its research agenda to explore in places of great importance in ancient knowledge and assertiveness have this habit of that. and after being discovered gets the credit and we are kept in ignorance. well anyway it is interesting that of the leviathan turned out to be a whale and not a snake will say that South America after the ancient Atlantis is let to continue their investigations we have resources that have the gringos.
juaneco26779 4 months ago
Impossible Picture should make new Sea Monsters......
ernietherac 4 months ago
Gahh!! everytime i play the video, all I hear is "The modern sperm" :\
...*clicks refresh* ohh sperm whale o-o
DemonEyesDara 6 months ago
impossible because he has no scales !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
like the bible tells us
so it must have been a basilosaurus ore even maybe a big t rex
which can go anywhere even into sea because e of his length
en can breath throw his nostrils
sukruoosten 6 months ago
@sukruoosten ....you sir are an idiot
predalien1995 5 months ago
@sukruoosten im not exactly aware of what you are talking about cause this video has nothing to do with reptiles or anything covered in scales but what you said is amazingly inccorect. i mean i get that a t rex is big an all but trying to say it could have gone into a place like this or anyware in teh ocean that is deeper than lets say an estimated 20ft is just stupid. they didnt know how to swim because there brain is like the size of a walnut and there arms were stubby so....thoery disproved
CreatersMistake 4 months ago
@sukruoosten sry bible you didnt win this round....science prevails. as well as plane logic
CreatersMistake 4 months ago
@sukruoosten Moron.
Wishrachi 1 month ago
@Wishrachi psalm 53 !!!!!!
sukruoosten 1 month ago
Finally an animal that can give Megalodon competition
Darklarik 7 months ago
@Darklarik What about liopleurodon?
Horrorlord1 7 months ago
@Horrorlord1 Lol what about it? Its a common error to thing that Liopleurodon would be a match for megalodon. For starters, they lived millions of years appart, unlike this whale, and second, Megalodon was 10-15 ft larger, had a stronger bite, was probably faster, and had more developed sense of a shark.
Darklarik 7 months ago
@Darklarik Did I say that it would be any match for megalodon? No... So why did you start to lecture me on something I have studied. I was just thinking of how a battle between a megalodon and a liopleurodon would be... I just wanted your opinion on what would happen. I know that megalodon did not have anything larger hunting it at those times, so it wouldn't have experience of fighting another large predator?
Horrorlord1 7 months ago
@Horrorlord1 But it would. Megalodon would have the expirience of fighting this whale in the video, which is roughly the same size as a Meg, not to mention expirience from fighting other Megs, and pack hunting Basilosaurus. Havent yah seen Jurassic Fight Club?
Darklarik 7 months ago
@Darklarik Jurassic fight club is unrealistic, and they can't just state that one of them wins....
Horrorlord1 7 months ago
Are they talking about Livyatan melvillei?
Darklarik 7 months ago
@Darklarik Yes, they are...
Horrorlord1 7 months ago
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2:21 thats what i found in my bathroom at 5 AM when i waked up to take a piss
Molhedim 10 months ago
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IM SURE NO1 OF U SUCKAS EVA MANAGED 2 KISS LIVYATAN MELVILLEI
I DID IT
:D
Allosaurus333 10 months ago
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Allosaurus333 10 months ago
Cryptozoology novel about two boys who find something strange on the beach one night see video book trailer
dltanner99 11 months ago
(Face palm). You idiots psalms in the bible clearly states the Leviathan is a lizard type creature, not a stupid prehistoric sperm whale. Thumbs up if you agree.
mjglader 11 months ago 2
@mjglader you idiot the bible is a load of shit anyway
watami10 10 months ago
@mjglader -Leviathan was described in detail in the Book of Job, and was clearly a (scaled) sea monster. In Psalms it had mulitiple heads. So until we discover a multiheaded sea dragon, this animal is as good a representation of Leviathan as any. Also, as the man in the video says, the name is more clearly a reference to the novel Moby Dick. So you disagree with how they named this whale, so what. When you discover something cool I'm sure you'll give it a very fitting name!
jackkoffin1 10 months ago
@jackkoffin1 yes, youre right. also, the book of job says that spears are like rotten wood to the leviathan.... also the leviathan flashes light (fire) from its nostrils... I think that its a dragon.. a dragon that's huuuuge and hiding in the ocean, waiting to come out :)
CallingChristians 8 months ago
Gigantism and dwarfism in marine mammalian species is fascinating. This monster is more than I can imagine, but how this happens makes me wonder if we are missing something important when these fossils get classified? Evolution aside; how did it get so big? The diet of such lifeforms must have been ravenous?
granddad2002 11 months ago
@granddad2002 You're right, one of the most amazing thing about ancient animals is how big they seemed to get. This probably had to do with the amount of available food and space they had. Notably, as Humans have dominated the food chain and cultivated more land, we are ourselves decreasing the populations of current giants. Whales, Elephants, Rhinos, Mountain Gorillas, Polar Bears are all dying out, leaving behind smaller and smaller animals. Rats, meanwhile, are getting bigger!
jackkoffin1 10 months ago
Leviatan= 16m
Megalodon= 12-20 m Megalodon win
TangenRock 1 year ago 2
@TangenRock You forget one thing. Whales are social animals. Plus a 1v1 fight can go anyway. Any way it'd be more like Megalodon vs Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan+Leviathan. Megs messes with one of the pod and all of a sudden he has a bunch of heavily built living battering rams with teeth coming after him.
EvilCleric 11 months ago
according to the bible god killed the female leviathan, so such monsters couldn't reproduce, so theres no way anything could be a descendant of it.
oddXmanXout 1 year ago
@oddXmanXout They just named it leviathan because it was so big and it sounded like a good name because the word leviathan means-anything of immense size and power . That in no way says that it was a descendant of the levaithan.
Gargoyle364 11 months ago
@Gargoyle364 touche Gargoyle. touche.
oddXmanXout 11 months ago
@oddXmanXout Erhm.. Just asking, what does touche mean? -.-
p0epenman 10 months ago
@p0epenman "touché!" Meaning, touched you! But it is used when proving his own point and making you realize your's is wrong :D
Horrorlord1 7 months ago
Leviathan (Livyatan) vs. Megalodon , fight, fight, fight ...
darkoneforce2 1 year ago
@darkoneforce2 Megalodon would just rip it's tail off!
Dinoman217 1 year ago
@Dinoman217
why wouldn't Leviathan just rip off Megaldons tail off?
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
Well u also have to look at the bible where the name originally comes from "Leviathan" and it was the most feared animal in the water serpent-like and it describe it as teeth so close to each other that air can not come between it, this might it been it.
victorsaldivar1 1 year ago
@victorsaldivar1 The scales were so tight that not even air can come between them. Not the teeth. Read Job 41. Doesn't sound like a whale to me. Also you will see in verse 15 and 16 that it is "scales" you're thinking of, not teeth. Peace brother.
DrBlueSparrow 1 year ago
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@DrBlueSparrow remember when it said no spear can penetrate the scales? this probably wasn't it, because the leviathan had scales and was a serpent
but the bible said that the animal that swallowed jonah was a huge FISH not a mammal, so i have a theory that mabey a megalodon swallowed jonah
moolate127 1 year ago
@victorsaldivar1 remember when it said no spear can penetrate the scales? this probably wasn't it, because the leviathan had scales and was a serpent
but the bible said that the animal that swallowed jonah was a huge FISH not a mammal, so i have a theory that mabey a megalodon swallowed jonah
moolate127 1 year ago
@victorsaldivar1 @victorsaldivar1 It died out before the species before us could make fire. Secondly, air could certainly go through its teeth. If they're lining up like that, its only not passing through at the tips. Try mashing some triangles together. A bet a bible would pass through its teeth. Hopefully allowing the people living within to be saved. I assume every ancient whale had a city or at least a boat load of people in it?
bonyoldbehind 9 months ago
I thought this was gonna be like a huge under water snake or something
Scorpion9901 1 year ago
yay 4 peru
KRiderMan1248 1 year ago
4:54 Fkin scary, Pinocchio would be screwed!
Fullmetalminos 1 year ago
so this giant whale as with the killer whale could immobalize sharks by turning them over ....well with this whales giant head i see no problem then the teeth come into play
Tobius11 1 year ago
Fascinating! So, I think that Megalodon finally has a rival :))
DisneyClassicsFan 1 year ago
@DisneyClassicsFan Indeed! And there a BIG discussion about who wins in a fight! LOL! I think that that guy tehd555 is arguing well, but I still don't know who would win the battle heheheh!
oopaulorafael 1 year ago
And its Funny how some kids fight saying a megaldon will eat this haha cmon we all know even a Killer Whale will kill a white shark the same think its aplid for this. Its just like this: Leviathan was bigger and have bigger theets than the Megalodon so Megalodon will be ripped off in a fight.
Ashterrs 1 year ago
watching the video i notice one think: ICA a Town in Peru is possibly the rarest and scary place in the world, first the Nazca Lines (gigants and rare draws and symbols in the field) and now this the biggest predator alive right there wow dont travel to that place xD!
Ashterrs 1 year ago
@Ashterrs Well u have to look at the fact that they had a city up in the freaking mountains and it looks to high right now for us to be so freaking high, but maybe everything around it was water and has dried down with time.
victorsaldivar1 1 year ago
HOLY SHEEEET A SPERM WHALE DOUBLE DENTED AND X 10 TIMES AGGRESIVE OMG. WE SHOULD CALL THIS KILLER TITAN THE (U-Predator) Ultimate Predator and i think this monster can pwn both : Megalodon and X Predator
Ashterrs 1 year ago
its gonna take long to finish tie bizz coz it just happend few months ago im so excited to hear alot from those
mtothe4 1 year ago
I can see that most are comparing this animal to the megalodon. Meg was built to tackle whales. It's true that this whale has a long 10 foot long snout, but it's jaws are are half as wide than the meg. as with all mammals, most of its teeth are half exposed. so a 36cm teeth would only expose 17cm. a meg teeth would expose same length as well, as sharks don't have cavities on the jaws for the tooth. a meg would still beat it.
Destronus 1 year ago
I am the Leviathan still alive, and tonight I will eat you as a dinner dish !!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha HA lol
Juanod09 1 year ago
God what the fuck is wrong with these people?! That guy's right you're all talking like morons.
campervan25 1 year ago
Fuck you Nature, we've got nukes.
phocjame 1 year ago
omg im so scared ahhh run it the big whale im so scared...----------not
sn00zinownz 1 year ago
I think they also found a skeleton of a tiny fossilized man next to the whale with a harpoon. They called him "Captain Ahab".
AzyrenIshida 1 year ago
This thing has 14 inch teeth and 15 inch skin? Let's just call it a battleship.
AzyrenIshida 1 year ago 31
@AzyrenIshida
Dis is da most inteligent comment ive seen here XD
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@AzyrenIshida
dis ish teh inernet :\
DemonEyesDara 6 months ago
Megalodon reached around 18 m full grown, weighing at this lenght more than 70 tons. It was a stockier version of GWS. Some of the largest could have exceeded 20 m and 90 tons. Megalodon lived before, during and after Leviathan existence. Megalodon attacked during Pliocene large and modern cetaceans. Megalodon had a power bite between 10,8 and 18,2 tons.
Leviathan is really impressive yeah, but...Meg have the upper hand yet.
86kirua 1 year ago
Hey guys, Leviathan disappeared much before Megalodon.
Megalodon evolved 10 millions years more, and was bigger and bigger.
86kirua 1 year ago
u have to think that it has to be the older evolution of the Orca
becouse the orca cant get 2 solied colours from being crossberd
and the only whale alive that eats meat is the orca
ToxicOrca1 1 year ago
That's one small step for man, one giant leap for evolution.
Varttino 1 year ago
As big and bad as it is, like the megalodon it would still be wiped out by us humans if they managed to survive to modern times. Neither this or Megalodon could stand a chance against our whaling fleets and exploding harpoons. Hell we're not even trying and we're easily decimating modern whales and sharks like the great white.
Weedies11 1 year ago
COOL
paintballsss1 1 year ago
Monstro from Pinocchio!
Fullmetalminos 1 year ago
There are some fairly educated posts in the comments... but everyone's writing like 14 year olds, wtf?
tobbaddol 1 year ago 22
@tobbaddol Then tell me why, then people think that these retard scientists know how thick the skin is, and what it's hunting habits are?
moolate127 1 year ago
@tobbaddol im 14!!!
likeit43 4 months ago
could wales could attack ancient human ships thinking that the ships were whales?
spark300c 1 year ago
I recommend you guys research "biology of sharks and rays" then look up "Megaladon"copyright date is 2003, this isn't anywhere near out dated, but is a very wide and almost complete source (as complete as these things can be) on megaladon, a big monster shark, but not some mythical exaggeration.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k Megalodon did have the strongest bite force of any animal it was cabable of a bite force of 24,000 to 40,000 pounds (10,900 to 18,100 kilograms). Which is higher then any any animal.
pooperstar2 1 year ago
@pooperstar2
That's a bunch of balony done off of nothing, if it was sized up from a great white, at best it'd bite with 9-10,000 lbs since the great whites bite is pretty weak. PS predator x had a bite force of 30,000lbs
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k Right? Like you know better then the people who did the scientific tests for the Megalodons bite force. All take the opinon of a shark expert over yours anyday.
pooperstar2 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k again with the bullshit, you make up facts you dumbshit, i've already sent you a scientific study on meg's bite force though, read it and stop making an idiot out of yourself.
behemuth 1 year ago
leviathan was long enough to bite its own tail and circles the earth
if it was leviathan it would have to be bigger because there was only one living leviathan alive according to the Bible
youhole95 1 year ago
All u know is bullshittin bout a (fortunately) unlikely fight between dese 2 giant vertebrates.... grow up, folks ;)!
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
LOL AT ALL OF U FANBOYS... XD
Just now people r startin 2 get interested bout cetaceans!
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
some people post megalodon size at 80ft,but most scientists claim thats wrong,megalodon size they estimated is around 40-60ft,this 1 is around same area at 40-60ft,both about same size,but this 1 av huge teeth n probly more smarter than megalodon,so this new whale will win 80% of the time coz oh that,mega will win sometimes,but it av to surprise attack this new whale to win,in a even fight,leviathan whale owns megalodon.
fmoa 1 year ago
killer whales own white sharks,back then we thought mega own the sea's,but it looks like this 1 can fuck megadon easily just like killer whale can fuck up a white shark easily innit,proof why this 1 owns megalodon is the sperm whale(grandchild of this) is still around n still fucken huge n the white shark(megalodon grandchild) av to evolve to be small to hide from the big boys whales,still another whale owns white shark today that is killer whale.
fmoa 1 year ago
@fmoa do you know how orcas take down great whites? Obviously not. They ram great whites so they can turn them over. Once upside down, the geat white goes in to this state in which it's unconcious. Do you know how much Megalodons weigh? 114 tons at 67 feet. Orcas are larger than great whites in present time btw, by atleast 1.5 times. Megalodon was bigger than Leviathan Melville. Megalodon isn't just a enlarged great white either.They are much more bulkier and agressive.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
actually megaladon was probably smaller, it's estimated around 15 meters, while leviathan is 18-20 meters.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k Thats the average size of megalodon and max size of leviatha. Newer estimates put it at 20.5 meters. Leviathan never reached 20 meters. Even the articles said they ranged from 13 to 18 meters max.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
meg was not 20 meets, that's WAY to big, meg was between 13-15 meters. But all sorts of people like to exaggerate, even scientists.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k seriously 13 meters to 15 meters? If the largest Megalodon tooth so far is 3 times the size of a great whites tooth what makes you think it couldn't have been 67 feet long? 60 feet is the smallest possible size for a shark with 7 inch teeth
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
There are some animals with proportionally bigger teeth with out the size changing much, look right here, this sperm whale wasn't really bigger at all then a bull sperm whale, but it's teeth literally dwarfed it's current cousin.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k I know but a 7 inch tooth would definately be from a 60 foot individual. 7 inches is about 2.8 times the size of a great whites' tooth but 60 feet is less than 2.8 times the size of the tooth so if it did have large teeth in comparison to body, it would be 60 feet at smallest for a Megallodon. I honestly don't think that it would have large teeth in relation to body size. It's more likely for it to have smaller teeth in comparison to body.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
That science is bunk, we do not know the structure of it's jaw, we don't know how many teeth it had at it's front row for hunting, we don't know much about this fish, but we do have skeletal impressions, and with teeth we have gotten a fairly good grasp on the size, and it's something like 43 ft. That's really big, but it's not 60 feet long for sure. Not that it didn't eat whales, it just didn't stand a chance of going against a predatory cetacean.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k If it was 43 feet, it's teeth would appear gigantic and probably wouldn't even fit in that little jaw.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k theres alot of bite marks found on brygmopthyseters, a prehistoric 40 foot long sperm whale. Brygmopthyseters were predatory cetaceans aren't they?
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
There are bit marks on skeletons of full grown death blue whales, there are bite marks on Tyranasaurus skeletons, there are bite marks on just about ever creature, because they die, and something will eat them.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k And what was killing all these animals? Most of these victims didn't die of old age. You can tell what happened to it just by looking at the fossil
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
...............The fossils are typically of a fully grown whale, as big as they come, which would likely mean it could have been a dead of dying animal...........the fossils don't show any epic struggle. The only fossils that have really proved predation are those that have scarred bone, but healed, such as tyranasaurus attack victims who've healed then fossilized.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@animalwarz
Leviathan 20 m and carcharocles 20 m! VAt an HUGE difference!
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@Allosaurus333 Leviathan is 18 meters max. Normally only 13 meters
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
Maybe u dont know ive da original pdf article published by palaeontologists and i red it. I even say da mathematical calculations 4 sizes. Deres only a SINGLE leviathan skull, so we have more dan 1 specimen 4 sayin "some specimens r bigga dan odas". Dat skull is most likely an average specimen
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@Allosaurus333 It's the original.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
yes, ive da original pdf article sayin da truth, unlike random medias ._.
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@Allosaurus333 send me the website
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
Now, da 13 m estimate is based on physeter macrocephalus (sperm whale)
Da 18 m estimate is based on zygophyseter, an extinct basal physeteroid
Leviathan, zygophyseter and physeter r all physeteroids, but physeter is a derived physeteroid (physeterid) too. Leviathan and zygophyseter r BASAL physeteroids. Dat is, leviathan is physically more similar 2 zygophyseter dan 2 physeter
So, both estimates apply on DIS SINGLE SKULL, but da 18 m estimated is way more probable 2 be right
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@Allosaurus333 can you write that in proper english so I can understand?
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
Deres no website where u can find it, dats no freely available
Lambert himself (da guy at 1.25 and da palaontologitst dat worked on physeter) sent me a pdf copy of his original scientific papa
If u give me ur email, i can send u a copy of leviathan research, and oda researchs too ;)
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@Allosaurus333 ok I'll send you my email
animalwarz 1 year ago
@animalwarz
I love slang XD ;)
Allosaurus333 1 year ago
@fmoa Great whites generally avoid attack areas like the rib cage but Megalodon's target that. They also target flippers and the thiner parts towards the back so they can stop the prey from moving.
animalwarz 1 year ago
i estimate only about two years until the film Leviathan Melvillei vs. Megalodon hits dvd and bit torrent.
accursedblackmage 1 year ago
that is the nice thing about the desert. The fossils do not degrade at the rate of let us say mesoamerica.
omiolo 1 year ago
Complimenti! Félicitations! Congratulations!
mklosc 1 year ago
This is all fake we all know that the world was created ca. 5000 yrs ago. Go away with your scientific rubbish,. I don't want to see or hear about facts all I need is one book to know all there is... /sarcasm
gman0526 1 year ago
wow! a massive whale eating whale 0_0. Im suprised new prehistoric animals are still being found
shadowace421 1 year ago
This video was more about the scientists faces than the animal itself. Maybe the video productor believed that they look like the whales.
Still interesting though!
xor12 1 year ago
Leviathian -> Megalodon, nuff said.
TsarSamuil 1 year ago
@TsarSamuil Your joking right? There's a reason why Megalodon is called a whale Killer and it has the most powerful bite force of anty animal.
pooperstar2 1 year ago
@pooperstar2
megaladon for sure didn't have the strongest bite force, there are creatures near it's size such as ancient crocodiles, and in proportions it would have no change at having the strongest bite force as the great white only has a bite force between 600-700 while salt water crocodiles have over 3,000, and predator x is estimated 30,000lbs.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k and meg have 41 000 i think? great whites have 3500 something if memories serve, again you show lack of knowledge.
behemuth 1 year ago
@pooperstar2, whales come in different sizes and this Leviathan was recently discovered, this isn't Flipper we are talking about, but a huge killer that would pwn Mega.
TsarSamuil 1 year ago
@TsarSamuil ... no, sharks are far more efficient in design and hunting technique compared to the sperm whale and its relatives. faster, more agile, can dive deeper for longer, even more devastating bite (tear out several cubic meters of flesh in a bite, tons worth of whale)
it is also larger, 20 meters and 100 tons
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
some sharks can go deeper then sperm whales, but that's basically only the puny sharks, such as the 6 gill and goblin shark. Many think megaladon died out because of the orca which likely killed it's offspring and took it's food. Whales, are more intelligent, bigger, and stronger. There's even video of one orca killing a same size great white with one bite placed to the back of the neck, that's why whales are superior, brain power, they know what to do.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k first off, the shark that was killed was a small immature great white, killed by a much larger orca, hardly a benchmark. second, those sizes are not relevant to creatures 50-100 times the weight. "some"belive that thats why meg died yes.. but a infant meg would be the size of a great white, and orca's attacking great whites is very rare. most scientists speculate that whales migrating to colder waters starved off meg. as for depth, leviathan is not a sperm whale, we do not know
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
oh the megaladon has been so exaggerated, and way over glamorized by obvious fake teeth which people put together to make a foot long (which by the way, this whales teeth are longer then the megaladon fake teeth that are out there). The conservative estimate of the megaladon is between 50-60 feet, and it isn't not currently recognized as the largest tooth predator, that's the bull sperm whale, and this creature now is likely to take record for largest teeth.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k yeah i know that. a large meg would have 7 in. plus sized teeth... but unlike leviathan it would have had a much larger number of much more damaging teeth... as for the sperm whale, its hardly suited to engage large massive creatures. max size of meg is currently at 67 or so feet and 103 tons, about the same max size as a sperm whale (estimates for a sperm whale above 20 meters are now considered dubious or false) Meg had a huge number of teeth in a huge mouth, a deadlier bite
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
Sperm whales are known for being combative and the males to fight off killer whale pods, and to consume giant squid, and colossal squid. Sperm whales actually fight for a meal and have the scars to prove it, white sharks (meaning the great white) simply surprise their meal, or scavenge, which is likely what it did for the whales it ate, it was most likely a super scavenger.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k ah come on... bull sperm whales bump into things with their head, and orca's stay clear because even a pod of orca's could not kill off a bull sperm whale, it is simply too big, not because it would eat the orcas... one encounter of a cub blue whale and a pod of adult orcas ended with the cub escaping because the orca's could not kill it. squids are boneless creatures and normal sized ones are swallowed whole. great whites are hunters, and like many hunters they
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
Sperm whales don't just "bump" into things, they ram them, there are stories of old whalers having their vessels destroyed by giant bull sperm whales, also for hunting all sperm whales have a specialized sonar that they can use as a cannon of sound that is believed to stun large prey. .
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k yeah... bump into each other, sure if it hits a ship you would call it ramming, it is still just the whale swimming into another animal. don't expect it to kill anything as big as itself. as for its sonar, it might be able to stun squid of certain sizes, it has never been observed to my knowledge though... would it work on meg? not a chance, and meg's a shark, it will ALWAYS be the one doing the ambush, it can detect leviathan, not the other way around.
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
.........it didn't bump into ships, these ships were hunting it, so the whale new what to do, it destroyed those ships, it had the power to do that, and this isn't a surf board that great white flip, this is a multi million pound 100ft exceeding vessel that would be taken down. I'd have to say sonar beats smelling, it's what allows cetaceans to see what sharks can't.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k multi million pound what... it only ever happened once and the ship was not THAT big ... ugh ill just leave you at that...
smelling? its not about smell, but electromagnetic interference that sharks can sense, they can feel muscle activity of their prey... much more effective that sonar, which only works if the whale makes an effort to use it, which it would not if it was being ambushed.
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
Only happened once? Oh, so that must be the reason for the dozens of stories............................right? You don't see sharks digging in the sand to catch the fish, even with their sixth sense it's blocked, and those fish adaptation works against them, but you see a dolphin come by, use it's sonar and it dives into the sand and catches a fish. .
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k what? rays are shark, and they eat concealed fish 24/7 other sharks don't bother with them as they have other prey items... and i have never heard of a dolphin using sonar to find a fish so i wont comment on that.
and it only happened in one documented incident, the whaler essex i believe was sunk by a sperm whale, of course fisherman stories would arise from such an incident .... its not rocked science.
behemuth 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k hammerhead sharks do dig in sand for fish.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k take advantage when dead whales are found, there are no such thing as a 1-2 ton scavenger in the ocean, dead animals sink to the bottom and are picked clean by fish, sharks do not scavenge, they hunt. and are the best in the ocean at it too, far more effective than any toothed whale. saying otherwise is really laughable. the shark design has been an evolutionary success for hundreds of millions of years. meg's supreme reign of the world's oceans for 10 million years prove that
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
Bodies tend to float for a while before they actually sink to the bottom, and with plenty of cetaceans in the ocean, and a megaladon with a superior sense of smelling I'm sure he did just fine, up until the orcas pushed him to extinction. If meg was so great then why was he pushed to extinction by the superior orca? As many scientists believe.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k what are you talking about? meg dying to orca's is a theory among many, and very fw subscribe to it, meg coexisted with orca's for almost 10 million years.. there is nothing that suggest it was driven to extinction by an animal which, even in large pods fail to kill of whales close to the size of meg itself. the most accepted and believed theory is that the comming of the ice ages caused waters up north to cool, and whales would "escape" there, leaving meg to starve (cont)
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
What are you talking about? Orca's are known to kill entire pods of female sperm whales, and to frequently taken down other cetaceans............but you make it sound like their unsuccessful most of the time. PS, we still don't know when the leviathan died out, we only have one enormous skull and teeth.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k yeah... a pod of half a dozen adult orca's are known to box in say a female sperm whale and wear it down and drown it... it is not like they rend and tear at the animal like a shark would do. i've already told you about the cub blue whale incident so i will not repeat myself. orca's mostly hunt seals like sharks do though...
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
...........have you ever seen orcas hunt? They first pound their target, then they begin to shred it with their teeth, it was shown an entire pod of female sperm whales with killed calves, and with all members having life threatening gashes. PS, when an animal gets away from an orca, it's typically because the orca was playing............haven't you ever seen them toss a seal back and forth, just to let it go.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k an orca can't produce a serious wound on a 12-15 meter whale.. a sperm whale have a huge layer of blubber that must be overcome, an orca's jaw is not that impressive to puncture veins in an adult sperm whale, a cub maybe. you should link to the vid showing that incident-
as for the playing point, whats your point? we're discussing orca's ability to take on a full grown meg, i just ment to say that orca's usually feed on seals and small whales like dolphins etc
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
Look it up yourself, it's on youtube of the orca attack on a pod of sperm whales, so you can see it for yourself, and they frequently kill humpacks, that's on video to. What the orca did was take the megs food, and kill off it's offspring, but a pod could easily drive one away as it would be much slower.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k a meg's infant would be the size of a great white, it would not take it long to be as large as a orca... hardly an easy prey for an orca. like i said before, shortage of food was its downfall, not orca's, if they were part of the equation they had a small role in it.
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
The size of a great white? Maybe a small great white, and that's assuming that Megaladon gave live birth and didn't lay eggs like many sharks do. Orcas easily kill great whites, 1 orca is on video killing a full grown great white in a couple seconds, if you'd like to look that up.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k ... the orca killed a young great white, 3 meter if memories serve... again you show little knowledge beyond the general incident... and many believe meg were at least somewhat related to great white and its kin, which have live babies... a meg's infant would be 4 meters long i believe.
behemuth 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k there was never a time when a orca killed a full grown great white. Theres a website that talks alot about the incident. I'll send you it.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k humpback whales don't even attack.
animalwarz 1 year ago
@behemuth
Just as cetaceans such as dolphins drive away great white, cetaceans back then were doing it to.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k in the more food scarce warmer waters, orca's however evolved to cope with the colder waters and could now hunt in safety from meg in the colder waters. that you just assert the most unlikely reason for meg's extinction as fact reeks of a bias on your part, educate yourself.
behemuth 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k
Your views about Megalodon are out dated. 15 m, 48 tons wasn't the max, but the average size esimted from the studies of a 6,6 inches tooth, the largest tooth that Dr Gottfried owned in 1996. Since there was much larger teeth found, from what they've done other estimate.
Megalodon is commonly described able to reach more than 17 m, for 65 tons, and the maximum possible lenght is placed at 20 m.
86kirua 1 year ago
@86kirua
No, 15 meters was the estimated max, as well was 48 tons, that was what they estimated was it's max, they also felt that Meg. was closer related to sandtiger shark. The estimate that my website has is by Dr. Gottfired. My of those larger teeth are complete and utter fakes, such as the women with the tooth more then a foot long, it's a complete and utter fake, and these litter the market, I could buy one. Meg was 15 meters, and 48 tons, people inflate it so much.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k
i'm not talking about the fake teeth about more than one foot long.
Look, the 52 feet, 50 tons, estimate was done in 1996 when Gottfried had only a 6,6 inches tooth in his hand. Since, news and larger teeth have been found, and since the formula from Gottfried (and also the formula of Dr Jeremiah) have been used on these teeth. The fact is now that Megalodon was up to more than 60 feet, and was a very massive shark. Go on wikipedia, there are many sources about this.
tehd555 1 year ago
@tehd555
Wiki sucks, and I'm using a very extensive site on all rays, skates, and sharks.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k
No, wiki doesn't sucks because you have access to the best sources at the down of the pages. All your sources are outdated. You are talking about elasmo-research right ? This is the website about what I was talking about, made from research done in 1996. It's outdated, contact Gottfried, he will assume that Megalodon is now indicated to have been more than 16 m and 50 tons. And look at the sources of the Meg page of Wiki.
tehd555 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k
Then, there's no reason that even an average 15 m Meg couldn't beat a Leviathan.
This shark is already as long and as bulky, maybe bukier (it was bulkier than a Great White at the same lenght) and more than this, Megalodon lived long after than Leviathan disappeared. Think about that.
tehd555 1 year ago
@behemuth
It would only make sense that leviathan would be a form of sperm whale, as it is a tooth whale with similar skull structure, but I leave that to the scientists.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k Yeah, most likley, but not specialized like modern sperm whales are, it likley engaged smaller whales, unlikely it took on prey the size of itself. would its relative long and flimsy (in comparison to bodyweight) jaws be safe to use on a 100 ton trashing whale? the Meg however specialized in the same animals, and larger whales, likley even the leviathan itself. it is likley it went extinct due to it loosing the arms race with meg, which is why there are so few remains of it.
behemuth 1 year ago
@behemuth
You're calling it's jaws flimsy? An animal that would put a tyrannosaurus jaws to shame? This creatures jaws where simply enormous and backed with a lot of muscle. Have you ever noticed in paleontology you'll find less skeletons of a tyrannosaurus then say a deinotocus, but that definitely doesn't make it a meaner beast. You'll find mind allasaurs then you will of giganotasaurus, so obviously what your saying is very pointless.
pyroman1000k 1 year ago
@pyroman1000k a long and compared to body size thin jaw is not suited to hold onto a 100 ton animal thrashing about. scientists here suggest it fed on small to medium sized baleen whales which are 6-9 meters i believe and 3-10 tons in weight. in the water, the whale would have to contain its prey's entire weight, as opposed to land where weight is dispersed where it stands, a t'rex never had to contain the entire weight of its prey in its jaws, leviathan's jaws is unsuited for large game.
behemuth 1 year ago