IHH Premeditated Violence - Video Statements of Marmara Crew - 1Jun10

[IDFdude47]

watch?v=lWkiTa9Y8aY



[Deliiiii]

Yeah right, I wonder what he would talk about when he faces another interview. Israel authorities had no right to question this person, even if they do so his statements at a risk for being bias, because he could say different things if he questioned by Turkish side?? Therefore his statements are not valid until he interviewed by joint committee whose investigating the incident...!!!

[kadpw2]

@Deliiiii

israel has the right to investigate anyone who brings weapon to Hamas

which im sure some of the responsers here do.... lol

[Deliiiii]

@kadpw2

what weapons may I ask ?????

[fllumoxed2]

My name is Saad Al-Hariri, Nasrallah killed my father. what can I do about it ?

My name is Saad Al-Hariri, Nasrallah killed my father. what can I do about it ?

My name is Saad Al-Hariri, Nasrallah killed my father. what can I do about it ?

My name is Saad Al-Hariri, Nasrallah killed my father. what can I do about it ?

My name is Saad Al-Hariri, Nasrallah killed my father. what can I do about it ?

(Nothing, Lebanon is in the evil hands of an Iranian terror organization. That's sad.)

[kadpw2]

@fllumoxed2

yeah that is spam and calling israel terrorist isnt. youtube responsers you

are a shame to morality and justice.

may your father rest in peace, israel loves you!!

[adribon]

Where and when did this interrogation/interview take place? Who is the interrogator?

All the fuss about the iron rods is just to create the impression the activists were the aggressors and not the invading commandos. Maritime law states in international waters one may use all force necessary to avert a ship from being entered and taken over. The activists were even entitled to kill the soldiers, but instead they overpowered them, took their arms and then treated their wounds.

[TheBassofmike]

@adribon since ur an expert in international law u'd also know that a country has a right to use force to prevent a vessel from running a naval blockade. The "activists" didn't treat any wounds, neither did they supply any real aid, on the marmura there was no aid, in all the ships combined there were 10 tonnes, consisting of expired or near expires meds, contaminated surgical gear, used shoes nd clothing, most of which hamas is refusing entry into gaza anyway! please speak the real facts.

[adribon]

@TheBassofmike It is the claims of the activists against the claims of the IDF. If you didn't know yet, the IDF track record for speaking the truth isn't exactly splendid. Like when they claimed being bombed by fighters from within a school, when they denied dropping white phosphorus on Gaza, when they claimed Hamas had broken the cease fire in 2008, when they claimed activists on the flotilla to have links to Al Qaeda, etc.

And what do you make of the following evidence:

watch?v=mrfdcxDaCYE

[TheBassofmike]

@adribon Israel has a track record for lying!? How about he recent "candlelight" meeting in which hamas staged an entire show claiming they had to power bc israel shut it off, yet in the pictures u can clearly see sunlight leaking from behind blackout curtains, nd other pics streetlights blearing a distance away. Missile fire from the schools has been proven on video, and even by the anti israeli un mediators, what about the claims that the ppl of gaza are starvin or organ harvesting..etc

[adribon]

@TheBassofmike I thought the candlelight hoax was done by Arafat in Ramalah. But your other claims are plain false:

Senior IDF officers admitted the Jan. 4. 2009 shelling to which IDF forces in Jabaliya were responding did not originate from the school. The footage released by the IDF of militants firing from inside the school was from two years earlier (!) when the UN abandoned the site and it was taken over by the resistance.

Now there's no space left to discus the other claims ...

[Simsmiye]

Since the mavi marmara's passengers were premeditating the attack on the Israeli soldiers and had such evil intentions, why wasn't a single soldier killed and instead, a young activist shot four times in the head. The IDF were the only ones premeditating anything.

[freezen255]

@Simsmiye

A a single soldier wasn't killed because the attack didn't succeed. When the soldiers saw waht is happaning, after some of them were kidnapped, and some of their weapons were taken, and then used to shoot them, then the soldiers realized they had to open fire, with live ammunition, in order to save their lives. And that's what they did.

when you attack soldiers, don't be surprise to get shot.

[Simsmiye]

@freezen255 Are you saying the Mavi Maramara was attacking the IDF? I'm afraid the passengers attacked the soldiers because they boarded with weapons. It doesn't make sense that they boarded from a helicopter and they had weapons and you expect the Mavi Marmara passengers to stand there and greet them. You saw the video released by Israel. The passengers easily could have killed a soldier. The fact they didn't proves that their intentions weren't violent.

[parovoz73]

@Simsmiye

.... they are special forces , shooting too well , ... and you cannot shoot four times to the head it will no head after second shoot . dude , if you mess with army expect to some dead body . The issue was resistance to stop the ship and bring aid by ground , if you asked by army to stop and make your things another way and you do it , believe me nobody will die . It is a many warzones in the world it is a borders , it is a laws maked by people , for people , take it or leave it .

[arievanscholten]

As it is demonstrated by the comments on this video, anti-zionism goes beyond being rational on a level of irrational hate even if the evidence is right in their face. And this doesn't only happen concerning this incident. Isn't that scary ?

[AmeeAm]

@AmeeAm

wtf

Can I investigate any guy from the street and post the video and say HEY look, this video is true and it came from IHH>>sarcasm

Israel go wank lol

[antiprocon]

Sorry Israel - no one believes your lies. You executed nine humanitarian activists. Your siege and apartheid will fall.

[RKarshenas]

IHH was probably infiltrated, co-opted by another agency. "Who cut the rails?" Well obviously some idiots who wanted to make themselves look like aggressors. What better way to perform a covert attack than to cut rails off your own ship and use them as blunt weapons. IHH went through alot of trouble to implicate themselves, only relying on media coverage to back them up. First you said "suicide activists" with Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Iran, then it was mercenaries with IHH.

[hezi0509]

IHH is a radical Muslim terrorist organization supported by the Government of Turkey Erdogan radical Muslim

Israel's aim to discredit and destroy it in the Christian world coward afraid to intervene on behalf of justice and it will bring the world to end

[Mommaddd1]

Well , well not it's confirmed by the Captain and Chief officier of the Mavi Marmara.

The IHH is a terrorists org, Turkey should be investigated for allowing this ship to leave their ports and arrests of all members of the IHH must be done by every country.

[Grinich79]

VERY SIMPLE – The IDF published its plans long before the raid. Knowing the IDF plans, the “peace activists” set the trap to the soldiers by announcing(on video) that there will be only PASSIVE RESSISTANCE. This, while prepared for a savage attack against the soldiers. They waited calmly for the soldiers to come down holding lethal primitive weapons. These people came to die as shahids(martyrs) and cause damage to Israel in the process. Watch the videos (not just of IDF), don't buy propaganda.

[borka145]

@Grinich79

You so right!!!

[Grinich79]

@borka145 I know we're right. watch?v=wSYjuDEZw1w specifically: 2:40 - 3:56 watch?v=ZSAxAj2KIdU watch?v=vwsMJmvS0AY 0:0:11- disk saw sounds- preparing metal clubs (no soldiers) 0:16:02 - 0:17:00 - a VERY interesting dialog - LISTEN TO IT 0:37:27 - Stun grenade in the hand of the "peace activist". 0:38:25 - 0:39:27 - not a "blood stain" just watch ! 0:40:26 - 0:42:31 - LONG calm footage of the helicopter, not a single gun shot. 1:00:40 - "IT IS STUPID TO SHOOT ISRAELIS" (10X cybertuffguy)

[wolfrandolf]

Israel has no credibility- meet jews like me with credibility

at truetorahjews org

[advfs]

@wolfrandolf

If you don't believe the translation.....get somone else to translate for you and say what is false. Don't just say they have not credibility and claim it is false.

[AAntiFacist]

Hamas is a pro-nazi, terror organization,recognized as such by most of the civilized world.Hamas charter,like the mein kampf of Hitler,expressively acusse jews in all the wrongs in the world and demands their extermination.It's war with israelis is nothing to do with freedom,as 85% of gaza territory is"free" for17 yr.,following Oslo agreement of Yaser Arafat with Itzhak Rabin while the last 15%-"liberated" 5 yr.ago,after the last israeli soldier and settler have left the strip.

[TheHelioso]

@AAntiFacist we don't mind about hamas they only have some kassam and their chahid

but we really fears about you!! you got nukes drones helicopters navy spy soldiers;elite commandos chemical weapon .....

who is the most impresive??who is the most armed??who is always support by the usa??

who always escape from international sanction??

[TalkBack01]

@TheHelioso Beside, "but we really fears about you", whose we? France? Show me one israeli who blew himself up in a coffee house, or metro, or anywhere for that matter.

People that want to harm israel should be afraid of israel.

[Linshomnio]

@TheHelioso who are 6 milions vs 500 milions ?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Very powerful political power gaining strength across the middle east, aiming to topple the existing regimes and taking over.

Their backer - Iran, is bent on exporting its revolution, and is about to becume a nuclear power very soon. Syria had been swept into its sphere of influencem and Turkey follows. Pakistan is tottering on the edge, and is already nuclear. Open your eyes, shadows collect on the horizon.

[hezi0509]

Excellent film showing the truth about Islam

Islam a religion of murder and killing

Islam a religion of terror

Islam a religion of hatred other

Not all Muslims terrorists

But all terrorism

In a world

Moslem

Have to remove Islam from the law

Another of the free world will vanish.

[Linshomnio]

@hezi0509 truth

[PAware]

@hezi0509

Actually, the fashion of suicide bombings started in Sri-Lanka, by the Tamil minority (non-Muslims). In India, Hindus used terrorism against Muslims. Balkan troubles? Christians played a part too. Terrorism in South-America? Not related to Muslims but to Marksists on one hand, and (Christian) Drugs Lords on the other. IRA? Catholics. Blaming it all on Islam is false, shallow, and bottom-line, sets you off tracks.

[sopmodm4]

@PAware Everyone seems to forget even as recently as the 1970s. Muslims preferred kidnapping and ransoming to suicide bombing in those days. Achille Lauro, Entebbe, etc were all kidnapping and extortion plots that took months of planning. A Muslim was more likely to kidnap people and start sending body parts until they got what they wanted than blow people up. Beirut 1983 was the 1st time I remember the Muslims seriously focusing on suicide attacks with explosives.

[PAware]

@hezi0509

BTW, the fact that Anti-Israelis are brainless, ignorant, immature racists, does not mean you have to play their own game. You can't beat them in this game, anyway. Too many of them to go around.

[ReverendBrownbuttock]

This is a new IDF low. Releasing interrogation video of one of the detainees for propaganda purposes. This man is a CIVILIAN attacked on international waters by the IDF. Where's his lawyer? This video is USELESS and MEANINGLESS given the fact that all detained by Israel were released.

[redrider3]

@ReverendBrownbuttock its not meaningless you arab demagogue.

this man doesn't need a lawyer since he is not being prosecuted, he is just telling his story about "peaceful" activists and their well intended metal rods and weapons 

[JustAnotherPerson520]

im just waiting to the first person to say Israel Propaganda or Israel payed him millions to say that

[butch33901]

The biggest problem in the world is clearly islam. It has been a hate filled racist cult for well over a 1000 years and continues to be so today. It is simply amazing that the majority of muslims allow themselves to be fodder for the ignorant clerics. The muslim culture has barely advanced from the 15th century. Every where there is islam there is hate, racism, misogony, and a lack of basic fundamental human freedoms. When muslims migrate ot other countries they bring this hatred with them.

[TheHelioso]

the truth is that israel fears from sign the NPT and use always the same arguments "the bad terrorist in middle east" but Israel is the state the most armed who is crazy to attack them??They just want to be the one who get the permission of god to detains nukes.

nukes is not to attack but is to defend ,isn't israel?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Nuke is to deter others from attacking.

Israel does not deny the right of any country to exist. Not Iran, Not Syria.

Israel is the only country on earth whose mere existence is threatened and de-legitimized on a daily basis. Our enemies want us gone and replaced with "Palestine". Why can't we live in peace and mutual prosperity side by side? Why is it always one OR the other?

I want sovereignty for Palestinians in their home. They should let me have the same in mine.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware what is the home of palestinian?we don't know

if you talks about gaza camp ,it's an apartheid like in sud africa

if israel is de-legitimized on a daily basis maybe it's because israel is the last colony of the world.

You have choose tu put a NEW WORLD ORDER so now you must be judged by this NWO because we are the real power(the civilans people);we vote for our dirigeant and they must represent the people who vote for them.If they don't talks about we want so we will remplace it

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Gaza is not a camp, and "Apartheid" does not apply. It is just a rally slogan.

When Palestine is established it will be more or less along the 1967 borders. After the "bad blood" has a chance to settle down, there could be some sort of union with Israel like the EU style, if they want it. Both countries keeping national autonomy but cooperating economically and in other areas of life.

When it happens, everyone will know the war was needless and stupid and wasteful.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware we can't change what happen in the past but we can decide what will happen in the future.If israel really want a palestinian state so why they still not recognize it.Yasser arafat recognized israel state and it was not enough for you.what else do you want? if you see the map of 1947 palestine was a state and now in 2010 just only few territories in cijordania and the gaza camp.All the jews of the world doesn't want to live in israel.Why you need all the land?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Actually you can't decide. You can pull your weight but you don't always get what you want, or all of it.

In the Oslo accords, Israel and the PA had recognized each other.

In 1947 Palestine was not a state. it was under British Mandate. Before the Brits it was under Ottoman regime.

The Arabs rejected the partition plan, trying to take it all. This is the result of rejection. Hamas does not recognize Israel nor willing for compromise. What to do? You tell me.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware give them their state and place them under onu vigilance ,give them a chance i think it's better for the real interest of israel to give this state to the palestinian; as all must observes how they will manage their state and israel will not be responsable of what they do .thinks about it

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Disengaging from Gaza was meant to do exactly that. Give them a chance. What they did with the chance was vote for Hamas, launch rockets at Israeli towns and kidnap a soldier from the Israeli side of the border. Closure happened AFTER that.

"Vigilance" has no meaning. Who can enforce it against their will?  It will be war with the "vigil". You need to understand - peace cannot really be forced from the outside. Both Israelis and Palestinians should be willing to compromise

[TheHelioso]

@PAware i think that if you propose a declaration of independance of palestinian state you can submit to the onu that the palestinian governement will not be hamas.maybe the fatah can do it.now they are agrea with the 1967 border ,you have nothing to loose but if you don't do like this way ,the zionist state will not exist in 15 years(my word not threat you but try to expose the situation in the future)

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

We cannot dictate to the Palestinians who they support. "Condition" is an empty word. We canot propose their independence declaration. It is their business, their right and their moral duty. Will we let anyone write Israel's declaration of independence and put in "conditions"? Will France or Britain or Italy or US agree that external entity dictate or draw its foundation document and constitution? Independence means you do it for yourself. Dignity. You know the word?

[TheHelioso]

@PAware you alright but you refused all the proposition,so write for them!

the peace can be only if you and them accept it...

israel is a democratic state and lis a looklike of the european state or the usa but all the operation of our country rest top secret ,israel show the world what they do.how defend a state if the most worldwide public opinon is against?

tell me

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Dignity, Self Respect, Maturity. Common Sense. This is what it takes to become autonomus and independent. Nobody can "give" this to another. It has to grow from the inside. Sometimes you can teach, with self-example, but the other has to want to learn. It cannot be forced.

All the ongoing disputes in the world are very complicated with history, culture, ethnic, religion, economic issues. the Israeli-Arab conflict is complicated and painfull to all of us in the region.

[PAware]

@PAware

I wish it was so easy to solve everything just by wanting. But it is not. Old conflicts you think have ended erupt again. Everyone is afraid for themselves and their loved ones and hesitate to "give ground" because it could result in getting hurt.

Too much distrust between us and the Palestinians. I don't really know will help. But everything has to be like porcupines making love. VERY carefully. :)

[TheHelioso]

@PAware israel is very strong with the word ;but not with the images ,see the floatilla video israel is sucking blood

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

So our image took a beating. This is not the end of the world. You take a beating, you fall. You stand up again. or not.

Image is important. But if you have nothing to hang it on, it is useless.

Living in the information age, in virtual reality, can mislead you to believe image is everything. But it's not, really. What's important is how we live, not how we look.

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

BTW, you seem to feel very sure of your power to enact change in other countries.

Remember Bush attempt to bring democracy to Iraq? External force can destroy. It cannot build anything.

Also, you personally have certain feelings, but it is not necessary you share them with ALL your compatriots. There is a price to pay and things to gain for every stand a person takes. Bibi is not pretty, but Heniyeh is even less. The alternative sucks, you see.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware the only changes that we want is just peace for the world,i know that's impossible ,but i can't support war and if a 3 world war comes because of you israel ;all the civil of the world will be touched by,so you must proof tolerance and not hate;israel got their state and nobody can take it or erase it.this is just political talking forlegitimate some kind of market(weapon,oil,gas);you will get trouble with lebanon again for the new offshore gas near haifa.Try to moderate your image !

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Supporting Hamas regime, Supporting non-compromise position, Supporting Zero-Sum game where one opponent gets all and the other gets nothing - This is supporting war. If WW3 will come it will no be because of us. Israel had nukes since 1956, never used them and never will, unless faced with true existential threat. Do not try to push us against the wall.

Anyway, if admit no one can take our country from us or erase it, why make empty threats?

[TheHelioso]

@PAware no there is many and many things that you can do ,now you have reason the hamas is worldwidly critic;but think after the hamas.the threats are not for the israelian but it's for the zionist;when the world will put the hands on your affairs ,you will be desavantaged,these conflict is assimiliated with the end of times;keep in mind these word

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Threats again,

If the option is "Give up your country or we will take it away from you", it is not really a choice, is it?

Most Israeli Jews are Zionists.

Zionism means we beleive the National Home of the Jews is in Zion. "In", not necessarily all over it. There is a place for Palestinians too, if they are willing to tolerate israel next to them. Electing Hamas does not show willingness.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware don't forget that the jews of the world had a word to say;we know that israel is dependant for energy and her neighbour got ressources;usa for the moment support totaly israel but in the time usa can't goes on you will see !!and without the usa israel is still powerfull but isolated ;do you want this?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

The US will follow its own interests, or what it believes its interests to be.

But don't foresee a near future when the US does not "go on". Do you?

World Jewry has a word. In fact they have many of them. Not all think the same. We are a pluralistic bunch. Always have been. But in matters of Israel the decisions, good and bad, are made by Israelis alone. All Israelis, Non-Jews included.

Like any other country, we try to survive. Time will tell if we make it.

[ReverendBrownbuttock]

@PAware

But through their actoins (40+ years and counting) it does deny the Palestinians to have their own land, to control it and to be able to move around freely. Again, 40+ years and counting of Israel violating peace agreements, building illegal settlements, detaining Palestinians without due process for years, not protecting the civilian population. And yet all we hear is Israel whining about some lousy rockets!

[PAware]

@ReverendBrownbuttock

This dispute has two ACTIVE sides.

1948-1967 19 years the territories had been under Arab control (Jordan and Egypt). They could have formed their state if they wanted. Problem is they gambled (again) they could have it all, so they just sat on their hands and waited for someone else (Arab countries) to launch war on Israel and give them their country. Same Old. Now they are waiting for "international community" to put an end to Israel.

[PAware]

@ReverendBrownbuttock

1993 was an opprotunity. They blew up the peace process in 2000 because they were unable to make the leap and commit themselves to a COMPROMISE.

in 2005 - we took a unilateral "Test" step: Disengagement from Gaza. You know what followed.

It takes two to Tango. We can't dance if our partner is unable or unwilling.

Violations had happened on BOTH sides. and when a "Lousy" missile falls on your own head, you'll be quanlified to opine.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware "We can't dance if our partner is unable or unwilling." okay for the tango but what we saw (plomb-durci)was a massacre of 1400 people mostly civil(child and women) and your army was "able to "but in front they had nothing to defend their lives(maybe 20 rocktet fall to and few israelian victim).this is like the marmara 4 injured soldier and 9 dead body humanitarian.By the way you don't fear about international community and you don 't want to sign the NPT.we know you now

[TalkBack01]

@TheHelioso

We are stronger. i'm sure you prefer a "strong VS. weak" confrontation when the weak is the "good" side and it is victorious agains all odds. Too bad for you, your naive T.V views just dont cut it in the real world.

The world would have been more acceptive of 'cast lead' if a rocket would have fallen in a kindergarden with pictures of blonde toddlers ripped to shreds, a sad truth.

BTW, in Iraq and Afg' there are plenty of dead kids, its just that showing THAT isnt 'sexy'.

[TheHelioso]

@TalkBack01 remember the biblic history of david and goliath ;on the boat the humanitarian were armed with slingshot and the i pirates sraelian commandos were armed with drones,helicopters;army boat;uzi;handgun;knifes.

really david and goliath remake 2010

[TalkBack01]

@TheHelioso Uzi? Give us a break man, we have much better equipment than UZIs. ffs.

David VS. goliath :/

Yeah.

1. Watch the vids and think.

2. Dude, captain hook was a pirate :/

3. San Remo manual. google is your friend.

4. Im sure you know all that already, however, keeping an open mind proves to dificult for you.

5. Evidance and proof - "small" things that get you really far (at least when dealing with reasonable people).

[TheHelioso]

@TalkBack01 Evidance and proof - "small" things that get you really far

show us your nuclear program then you can give teaching to them

for a state who claim to be legit why don't show to the nation your nuclear site??

[TalkBack01]

@TheHelioso Hmm... ever played poker? Politics is the biggest poker game in the world. The US is the chip leader, we've got a couple of aces, and some have big-shot shades and big-shot words but a hand with a douce and an eight off-suited and guess what- their bluff is READ.

It's not that difficult escaping international sanctions :/

All you need is a a major country that shares your troubles (global terrorism).

BTW, answer my claims instead of jumping from one subject to another.

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Cast-Lead is what happens when a threat is escalated. You say: Give them a chance. When you give a chance you gamble. Your Risk factor jumps up. When the risk is higher, when you are more vulnerable, you hit harder.

Dont' give a the crap about "massacre". Europeans massacred and will massacre at a much higher rate people half way across the globe - not in your own backyards, to secure your own and your interests. You are good at peaching to others.

[TheHelioso]

always the same lies ;israel is like the nazis

[jacobk2]

@TheHelioso you terrorists are the liars. This is testimony from a senior Turkish officier part of crew nd yet you won't believe it. Because you hate the truth and love deception.

[TheHelioso]

@jacobk2 now even the civil are terrorist good;goes on israel and you will see all humanity like terrorist;only you are good people the other are TERRORIST.

shame on you israel

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

People attacking with crowbars, chains and clubs are "civil"? 

[TheHelioso]

@PAware yes they try to defend themselves from pirates;what would you do if i come to your house and try to disturb your life?you will give to me flowers?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Why did the people on the other ships not try to "defend" themselves in such manner?

Why no one died or got injured on the other ships? The situation was the same for all.

The ship was not "their house" and maritime law says if a coast guard board your ship you DO NOT attack them. Just like no one dare attack Turkish Coast Guard when they board a ship for inspection. BTW, when the police enters your home you don't attack them either.

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Always the same tactics. You can't deal with the facts so you resort to baseless defamation. Never mind the truth. Hate is all you need.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware no hate but israel bored us and always try to be seen as victim;the truth is that 9 dead in this operation,is it nothing for you?

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

The fact is these 9 people would not be dead if they did not participate in a brutal ambush on Israeli commandos.

I'm sorry they died, but it happened because they were brainwashed and manipulated to battle Israeli commandos for no good reason other than grab Western Media attantion.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware no mr they died because they want to do what the international community can't do.But now all the people who live in europe and the rest of the world wants justice on all the activities of israel.they got the nukes and nobody sanction them;they kill by mossad assasin and nobody sanction them;the made gaza as big concentration camp and nobody sanction them and have interest in the iraq war(pipeline kirkouk-haifa) and nobody talks about it.SORRY BUT WE GET BORED OF YOU ISRAEL

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Seems like you have a lot on your pallet.

So you think the death of these 9 people had served "the cause"?

What they have "achieved" - was it worth their lives?

Do you admire a person who suicide to get media attention to the Palestinian plight?

[TheHelioso]

@PAware no i'm not for this kind of manipulation you talking about but what i have to say is that the commandos of tsahal choose to kept the boat in water international and thsahal is not a child ,they pre-planed all;they want to tell to the world(turkey-iran-bresil)that they are the master of this land.But infact tsahal knows that there was reporter onboard and it's strange that mossad not infiltred this boat.So israel want first to declare the war against turkey iran syria ,this is the truth

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Would you feel differently if the boarding would have been in Gaza water?

would anything develop in a different way if the ship was closer to shore?

The navy claim they didn't have the means to stop without damage such a big boat if it would go anywhere closer.

What would Israel gain from declaring war on Turkey? Nothing. Why would Israel want to destroy the relationship? If it was possible to make peace with Iran and Syria, most Israeli would be delighted. We don't hate.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware if think that israel had nothing to fear even if the marmara shore in gaza port;tsahal can go in gaza when he want and they deliberatly choose to kill in international water .The operation is managed by general and politics;they were informed in real time of the evenemt occurs on this boat.where was the mossad???

they choose the violence and knows that reporter onboard will tell to the world what they do.SO you must be judged for this and for the bad image of israel you shown mr bibi

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

The idea of this botched operation was to get the mission done with minimum damage and casualties. You think fighting on the Gaza shore would get less people dead? Not reasonable. On previouse occasions the boats were brought to Ashdod port, unloaded and the goods transported to Gaza. No one expected COMBAT on the ship!!! It was like police mission. The commandos were armed with paintball guns, and handguns in their backpacks!

[TheHelioso]

@PAware so the commandos of tsahal are not so profesionaland not prepared to this kind of situation;do you mean this?please stop we are awake now;israel got a lot of situation to choose for stop those boat but the blood talk again.don't goes on with a politic like this or israel will not exist more longer.We want peace for all even for you but you must give the example of tolerence for the all world instead this you shown like nazis

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

The operation was not prepared well. There was no intel on an organized group wanting to have a fight to the death. Israel believed they were really non-violent mission. Sorry for the mistake. Sorry for being naive. They should have known better.

There is no way to stop a ship other than sink it and drown all the people on board. Perhaps if they knew what they are up against they would have thrown concussion grenades on the deck first to clear it. Wisdom in retrospect.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware you never be naive;and intel must infiltred all kind of people,if they can't so there is a problem;for turkey it was important that no weapon was onboard as you can't delegitimate the humanitarian ship.chypre inspect them too, try to find an another things to help you politics.you will arrive at nothing by this way

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

I wish we were omnipotent and omniscient. We are not. We do our best and we make mistakes. We are human, so sometimes we fail.

The videos you are watching has a testimony from the turkish crew stating a militant IHH group was let by the Turkish authorities on board, they had a commander, and they actually commanded the ship.

Turkish authorities promissed they were non violent. Israel took their word. Mossad failed to verify. The result is 9 dead militants.

Life is a bitch

[TheHelioso]

@PAware the result my friend is not just 9 dead militants,the result if that israel will decrease in few year.

Life is a bitch

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

BTW I will not fall for your goading with the "N" word, though you would do better for your argument if you refreined from using it. There is no comparison whatsoever and you know it.

Israel tried to act with restraint and causion, and it backfired.

Israel IS tolerant. Our society is super heterogenic, and we have 20% Arab minority citizens - larger than ANY western country. There is tolerance of extreme religion and of Atheism, and all political and sexual tendencies.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware these 20% of arab were in this land before you it's normal that you have this % but please tell us how many % of arab have to go for an exil since 1947?

with this boat you have permised the world to come into your affairs and see what you do;you have attired all the eyez on your state.congratulation tsahal and the very good commandos(next time send civil they will know how to do and really serve israel)

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Actually, there had been Jews in this place as well as Arabs, and some of the Arabs are descendants of immigrants too. How many generations untill one is considered "Native"? I was born in Israel. Most of the people refering to themselves as Palestinians were not. Not their fault. Not mine either. Nobody asked to be exiled, but it happened all over the world and all through History.

What is the percentage of "Previouse tennants" in Canada, Australia, U.S? Europe?

[PAware]

@PAware

The world's eyes had been on Israel since day one. It doesn't help being sorrounded with people treating it as an alien intruder thtat has to be driven out. We deal with what shit flies our way as best we can. Sometimes our best is not good enough. Admitted.

"Civil" forces would not do any better against the IHH militants. The "Limited Force" plan had failed. Remember?

We owe the IDF our lives and security. The IDF is us, our fathers, brothers and sons. No real alternative.

[TheHelioso]

@PAware the diaspora always exist since the last time ;jews and arabs in the history lives in peace until 1947 ; they can do what they want but they can't erase the history or change the history.

We will see what you will do in few months....

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

Diaspora Jews existed. Many times they did not live WELL. When you are subject to other people's good will, sometimes you find they have none. Jews have long experience of needing to leave a place where they were no longer wanted. Jews in Muslim countries sometimes lived in peace, and somtimes were persecuted. Like in Christian countries. But they were ALWAYS Second Class. My family is from the Middle East, so I know first hand. This is not acceptable to us anymore.

[PAware]

@TheHelioso

I am sad, because this is such a waste of human life.  The people manipulating these 9 people to sacrifice their lives in order to get headlines in papers that tomorrow will be used to wrap fish in, they have no respect for the value of life of their own brothers. Thy just use them as means to an end.

All this needless death and pain and hatred. Why? Why?

[TheHelioso]

israel is a state of terror and lies;they doesn't respect the international laws and they do what they want even if the world is against.they prentend to be the master of the world.

stop israel;stop killing;peace fro the world can be only if israel is neutralised.

[TheHelioso]

israel is criminal state who doesn 't respect the international laws so the world must boycott this country of lies and terrorist very well armed thanks to the usa!!

but the usa can't go on support this state of shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[abbienetvision]

The Turkish gov't let terrorists take over the ship, maybe responsibility should lay with the Turkish gov't for letting the ship leave port with a fully loaded terror team on board. Where is the UN on this matter?

Oh, forgot, the UN promotes terror against Israel, but when Israel reacts then an investigation is in order, against Israel...the UN should be dismantled or renamed, the Terror Alliance of the World (TAW).

[mivasair]

So what? The people on the ship saw that they were being followed and were likely to be attacked by Israeli military and they prepared to defend themselves. What's the big deal? מה הבעיה? לא הייתם עושים אותו הדבר? -- א

[abbienetvision]

@mivasair

The "big deal" is that this was called a ship of humanitarians, and the Turkish gov't claims that these ships were checked for illegal weapons. Try taking any of the things that were on the ship into Turkey, and see where that will get you..into a Turkish jail for life.

Turkey illegally let the boats set sail, using false pretense, and not checking for illegal weapons.

Why don't you try to get on a cruise ship from Turkey with a chain saw?

[PAware]

@mivasair

Apparently, the other 5 ships didn't "do the same". Why?

Because experience of previouse ships shows the navy would board the ship and direct it to Israeli port, but not "attack" or hurt the passangers and crew.

This organized group on the Marmara launched an orchestrated attack on the commandos because they wanted to innitiate a bloody fight. Blood gets Media attention, creates headlines and helps to smear Israel. (Suicide) Mission accomplished.