@rlopen10 I think we do know she was an early bloomer. No big titles the last 7.5 years of her career. There comes a point when blaming everything on a stabbing, 3, 6, 9, 12 years ago wears off.
I agree Venus was the real #1 in 2000 and 2001. I am not sure about 2008 though. I think Serena was the worthy #1 that year (Jankovic the computer #1). I could see a case for Venus though since she did win Wimbledon and the WTA Championships, but I still go with Serena.
@rlopen10 Seles was a quarterfinal player in her second career since she was an early bloomer whose peak was long past and since the next generation of players like Venus, Serena, Davenport, who hit the ball harder than Graf or Seles ever did had taken over. Once players who hit harder than Seles had emerged she wasnt going to be as effective as she only wins by dictating, her defense isnt good enough to win. Graf stayed competitive in older age since she can play defense and still win.
haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost!
martina was 85% skill and 15% power, no other player in male or female history of this sport managed to win so much, with so little power, I think she failed to make the transition with the new strings and rackets, the game became to powerfull, and she just could not compete against the 2 sisters..
If there is a favorite of mine is Venus's run in the 1997 U.S. Open. She played all out and no inhibitions throughout the tournament. Yeah, she lost but Hingis just played great.
@grafgirl27 i dont know i feel that hingis claimed her titles at a changing point in womens tennis before the heavy monster hitters came to shine... and that the williams sisters style uplifted the level of the game for everyone to get better and harder ... in all Hingis was great in a lull period of tennis like there is today with Wozniaki
@lesguy19 yes! i also think so! the two sisters changed the way tennis played...women started to go to gymn and hit wait...the game is much faster than Hingis could imagine...when no one can beat the puzzle of Hingis game, the William sisters developed a game that totally ruined the domination of Hingis...Serena has what 11 or 13 slams? Hingis has 5, double digit difference...a strong and unique player is what women's tennis needs today, who will unlock the mystery of heavy hitters!
@grafgirl27 are serious...then u don't know who venus williams is a seven time grand slam champion dat made 15 grand slams finals losing six of them to her baby sister with 13 grand slam herself...then venus have 13 grand slams in double with 2 mixed doubles slams..and three times olympic champion....then henin has 7 slams with eleven finals...with one olympic gold...no double slams no mixed double...oh i beg to differ....how u don't even compare her with serena....where do i start with dat?
@vechris2001 Doubles means nothing these days. It is mostly for singles hacks or people who do it for fun.
Venus and Henin have 7 slams
Henin has won 3 of the 4 slams, Venus only 2 of the 4
Henin was year end #1 3 times, Venus only 1 times
Henin has 2 WTA Championships, Venus only 1
Both have Olympic singles Gold
The only surface Venus is better is grass. On clay Henin could beat Venus from a wheelchair, indoors she has done much better, and hard courts she is more achieved.
@grafgirl27 and what's with venus not defending slamss lu?? hey doubles does matter..ofcourse u wont talk about that cos henin has notin on venus there. and venus defended a slam 3 times...wimbledon 00 01 us open 00 01 wimbledon 07 08..besides venus leads their series 7-2. dont get me wrong..henin is great champion..but in tennis world all round venus is held at a higher level than henin. even hingis is considered a greater champion than henin. yeah venus is a 3 time olympic champion...henin 1!
@vechris2001 LOL at Hingis who won her final slam at 18 being considered greater than Henin. Maybe greater than Venus who spend a measley 11 weeks at #1. As for head to head the Venus-Henin head to head means nothing when they played 8 of their 9 matches before Henin won her 1st of 7 slams, which just proves how useless Venus was outside her 3 peak years on no grass surfaces. Unless you now think Novotna is way better than Venus since she leads her 3-1 in head to head. You are delusional.
@grafgirl27 The head to head means nothing? coming from a Graf fan who is used to showing the Graf Seles H2H in our face llike it does matter? you sound a little bit uneducated about tennis knowledge my friend
@kevin12061989 arent the same idiot who said Anke freaking Huber was the best player to never win a slam. You are the last one who should question anyones knowledge on tennis. As well:
1. Graf does not need the head to head to justify her superiority to Seles 22 slams to 9 easily does that.
2. Graf and Seles played many times at all different points of their careers. Venus and Hingis played nearly every match at Venus's peak and before Henin's first ever slam. Dumb comparision.
@grafgirl27 Amazing excuses you seem to use, yeah i guess you use them when you want, like you totally forget how Graf won those slams while seles was away. I'm not arguing with you, i'm just saying those are bullshit excuses, Graf won those slams fair and square like Venus leads 7-2 H2H vs Henin. those blah blah peak theories are BS. From 50 years now people will remember Graf won 22 slams and that H2H was what it was. Period
1. Graf's head to head with Seles is 10-5. While Seles dominated in 91-92 she had a 1-3 head to head with Graf. Oops.
2. Graf won only 4 non Wimbledons while Seles was away. That would leave Graf with 18 slam and Seles with 9.
3. Your stupid Graf-Seles points which add up to nothing in no way relate to the Venus-Henin head to head. Saying all their matches but one were slamless baby Henin isnt excuse but fact. If that is your only straw though grasp it as you wish.
@grafgirl27 As regards careers, i think Henin had a slightly better career than Vee but the head to head is 7-2 and there's nothing you and me can do about it like there is nothing we can take Grad slams away even if Seles fans will always downgrade her achievements and we know why!!!
@grafgirl27 five year strech? henin won slams in venus made slam finals from 02 french open to 03 aussie open...besides losing a slam final to younger sister is sometimes a previlege. ur baby sister beating u in a slam final that not bad! venus is a former no.1 dat is all dat matters. how come u didnt mention henin's doubles acheivements...cos they do count. and need we say who made the forbes list like 15 years in a row?? having her own business and having a degree while winning wimbledon??
As for doubles, if it was important Graf and Evert would not be rated as equal with Navratilova and Court who had similar singles careers in additon to achieving 20 times more in doubles. And Navratilova and Court played when doubles wasnt a joke, and still dont get hardly any extra credit for it. Like I said doubles to singles players greatness is irrelevant, always has been.
@grafgirl27 As regards careers, i think Henin had a slightly better career than Vee but the head to head is 7-2 and there's nothing you and me can do about it like there is nothing we can take Grad slams away even if Seles fans will always downgrade her achievements and we know why!!!
Higgin's tennis in those years is one of the most beautiful and technically played of all time. Facing girls far more stronger, Higgins put those balls at imposible angles for her rivals. Meanwhile she was receiving easyly -almost effotlessly- in the centre of court...
@Icious890 so true...96-99 was truely Hingis era...i miss that time so much, where smart tennis rules...nowadays power tennis rules and it is sooo boring......
Yay hingis, the only female tennis player i liked watching. Class in every way. The only one i can call a true number 1 player. Nowdays its just power players and nothing else.. boring and crap.
It's really interesting to see how Venus (and Serena as well) game has developed from the beginning. She really looked like a (very talented) debutante ... Love her
I miss Hingis.Her tennis style was superb and magnificent, so enjoyable to watch.(quite the opposite with Williams sisters)Women's tennis is not the same without her.
I would love to see venus still teh show this year at the open while Serena is out. Do you think Venus has another major or two in her this late in her career or do you think she is pretty much washed up?
@volvariella I don't think so. Hingis is leading in her H2H with Venus and is just shy of tying her h2h with Serena. In terms of # of GS's then maybe yes, but Hingis has more accomplishments otherwise than Venus, that's for sure.
I miss hingis game, she knows its almost impossible to defeat williams sister in hard hitting style, she just keep moving around the court a changing pace to take venus in a game she does not understand, skill and touch game, wta lost his way, ivanovic, jankovic, wozniacki, azarenka and the others they wont have a positive h2h against williams playing like they do know soory for my english
There are two key things Hingis doesn't possess to achieve more in big babes era: strong serve and strong forehand.
She doesn't need superior athleticism like Williams sisters to win because her approach to the game is less physical. With strong serve and forehand, she might be able to save energy even more and not easily put under pressure everytime she engaged in a rally.
actually, in the end, she did need athleticism and power to win bc she couldnt use craft anymore. the whole reason why hingis did soo bad in 2000 onward was bc she couldn't hang, also serena was become greater and greater. even when hingis played other pushers she would get beaten( jankovic, wozniacki, radwanska)
to FinalFan - Martina's backhand is more alike Agassi's and Nalbandian's than the one of Mary!
this match is one of the best performances from Martina ever. Her forehand here is so much better than later in her career.
also i think she was never afraid of Vee, sho enjoyed playing her, like Seles, only Venus was more athletic and better mover than Monica. Martina used the pace of Venus so many times.
Oh come on! Hingis was not overpowered by Mary Pierce, they faced each other lots of time and Pierce couldn't match Hingis groundstrokes EVEN with Pierce's power (look back to 1997 AO. finals) Hingis always was a good defender and had a nice footwork, so it is quite ridiculous to say that she didnt have any physical condition to match those power hitters.
yeah, venus made history being seeded 66 in the world and still made the finals. Hingis was seeded number one, and where is hingis now? she was blown out by the williams sis
Lol, Williams sisters just win Grand Slams, and nothing more, Hingis has been number one about three times more than Venus and Serena combined. Hingis has won every important tournament but Roland Garros. She's been a consistent winner for a lot of time when actually her career was short. Her tennis style was better and a 1000 times more enjoyable to watch than this 2. She has lots of records to her name, the incredible is that she was no.1 at 16 isn't it? not reaching the final seeded 66.
@DIANAROSS4EVER "a much longer career" Hingis was run out of the game first by the Williams sisters and second because of coke... either way she and Venus have played about the same amount of matches.....
Venus just forgot to watch Mary Pierce's game plan on how to smash Hingis. Hingis is very good at playing all around the court, but forcing her form corner to corner for a whole entire match, burns her up mentally and then burns her out physically.
If Hingis only played her physical game, she probably wouldn't have reached the top 50, she is the best tactical player ever, for example she can make a drop shot of a power shot, or even make a drop shot of a serve
Yep, but it doesn't change the fact that Mary Pierce gave her a taste of what future women's tennis would be like for her. What hurt Hingis when she came back was the fact that all the women became faster and stronger.
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I think what really hurt Hingis in this match was Pierce's 2-Hand Backhand of Doom. I'm not entirely sure but it looks like Pierce is 1 of the few women we've ever seen with a backhand like Agassi and Nalbandian.
@FinalFan0 Hingis owned Pierce. Pierce had a few wins but on the whole was spanked by Martina. I like Pierce more than Hingis too but those are the facts. It is silly to talk about Pierce having the code on how to beat Hingis.
@DIANAROSS4EVER yeah with a pesudo like yours of course you'll make such not interesting comments... Venus is still winning tournaments at age 30, reaching grand slams semis and going strong with more slams than Hingis (who also tests positive for cocaine)... Go Vee!!!
@minkoss Lol Venus is the queen of WImbledon, but Martina is a better player, Venus' 43 tournaments are most of them shitty tournaments like Seoul or Tokyo Princess cup or that craps, Hingis hasn't even won a Tier IV, Hingis has like 10 more Tier I titles than Venus, also... Venus' 2 months at number 1 compared to Hingis' 4... YEARS
@DIANAROSS4EVER oh no girlfriend!!! No you didn't! Winning a tournament is winning a tournament! And Venus is playing in a field much more competitive than Martina's eras! As soon people started reading her game and actually overpowering her, she went away. Have you watched that match in Varsovie btwn both when Hingis returned? Vee with cramps sent her home! I am sorry I just find Venus greater than M
@minkoss No winning a Tier IV is not like winning a Tier I, then I guess that winning an ITF tournament is the same as winning a Grand Slam? Omg then Zuzana Ondraskova is the best player ever! Also Martina had a much more competitive field back then come on, Venus is actually a survivor of women's tennis golden era with Graf, Seles, Hingis, Davenport, Serena, Capriati, Pierce, etc. Come on even playing Schett or Kournikova probably was tougher than playing against Wozniacki, Radwanska or Safina
@minkoss how is venus different from serena? or from sharapova? what defines her game? she's one of the many who rely on power. and dont get me wrong, she's absolutely magnificent doin it. it's just that a graf, a henin, a HINGIS, has so much more variety to offer and are more remarkable in that sense.
@MrGogogo13 While I respect your opinion, you clearly have a bias, or haven't a very good eye. Tennis is simply not as black/white as you make it seem. Sure, Venus hits with power and is strong from the baseline, but how many points does she end at the net? On average, she winds up at the net in about 50% of her rallies, compared to Sharapova who'll only approach the net about three times per set. This match just isn't a very good showcase of those skills because Hingis was on fire in 97.
@MrGogogo13 And sadly, if you use Henin and Hingis as a measuring stick for what good variety is, you'll be sadly disappointed for the net decade or so. One could even argue Venus has MORE "variety" than Hingis - Hitting a powerful groundstroke is a skill, and is no less valuable than any other skill. Venus could dominate with from both wings at the baseline, serve aces, finish points easily at the net, and serve/volley better than Hingis, who was admittedly a better drop/lobber by far.
@IRunLA69 you are right on Hingis but Henin at her best easily has more variety. She can match power with the biggest hitters but also has alot of Hingis like shots in her arsenal. Had she mantained her 2007 form and not retired she would have easily surpassed Serena's career by now.
me021671 hello the only way they can stop serena form taking 2010 aussie open is suspending her cause her 09 record was phenomenal she is still and will always be the #1 in da world...aka baddest bitch in tennis town LOL& if you think eleven slams is where it ends your crazy as hell lol
is it possible to like all of them...sorry but i honestly do. the williams, henin, clijsters and not least hingis have contributed so much to womens tennis. look at the new ones, radwanska, safina, wozniaki can't play a volley it's pathetic and excrutiatingly boring. henin and hingis are the greatest of the past decades, elegance and style on court like no one else!!
@lorofcb2@lorofcb2 yeah I have to agree with you. The Williams sisters, Hingis, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo and Sharapova provided the greatest era of women's tennis. It's absolutely boring nowadays. Serena and Clijsters play what? 3 tournaments a year? And they are infinitely better than the Wozniackis and Zvonarevas who play every single week. Women tennis is in the shambles at this point.
Such a shame she has retired. At least we now have Kim and Justine. I'm sure Venus is overjoyed... Henin gave her a big lesson at US Open 07 as well. Kind of reminded me of that.
lol big lesson? with a 2 to 7 win record loss to Venus...Henins been gettin a lesson for a while now lol....she barely beat Venus that day too...i'm glad she's back...because both Williams Sisters has a warm welcome for miss Henin...:) Everyone knows how Serena likes to get revenge...i'm almost fearful for Clijsters the next match up she has with Serena.... ;)
yup, a losing record like kim had against serena before she beat her in straight sets at the us open after 2 1/2 years of not playing. henin totally schooled venus at the 2007 us open. and yeah, she routed serena too the round previous
quit living in the past. your gorillas have been playing pretty much the same way they have been the past decade - brainless ballbashing, except now serena has grown a second ass. they had their way when the belgians were still upstarts but now the belgians are in full swing. sorry but 2010 is absolutely the last year you will see your gorillas. they will retire out of fear from the belgians
Brainless ball bashing that has gotten both of them a winning record over both Justine and Clijsters, more money, more slams, more popularity as well LOL! Look we know they will not win all...sometimes THEY WILL loose, but when its all said and done...they are still the measuring stick of womens tennis. Dont brag too much on miss Henin the last time she met Serena..she had her ass handed to her. Nobody ca beat the williams sisters the way they beat their opponents they always struggle to do it.
serena only managed to win 3 grandslams latter part of 2008 and mid09 because the belgians were not around. the tally stops at 11, sorry. now sit back and relax as the belgians pile up the slams. that is, if they manage to survive on-court assassination attempts from your gun-toting posse from the hood
I think Serena will fear Kim even more the next time. though she's a great champion and fighter, and always up for the challenge, she will have to watch out. She has the winning record, but most of those matches were very tight, she never got a free ride over clijsters. Sometimes just lacked a bit of killer instinct. But she's very motivated now. She said in an interview she's looking forward to Australia, and that she wants to be an even better player. She's a big treath out there!
Was a lesson of tennis for Venus and without the use of power, just the quality of the shots. The lob was amazing, it is like a humiliation to the opponent. Pity another great player retired.
Martina was very precise on her shots, and had a great technique, but she always lacked in power, even an amateur could have returned her serves, they were so weak.
and martina has a very healty head to heard against power players..even during her comeback..she would have beat venuys twice there..she beat sharapova dementieva davenport etc..shes capable of beating anyone out there!
You're right ! The 1997 Hingis would have beaten anyone in any era ! These players today would not have lived with her ! Her play was probably too subtle for some idiots to understand ! Martin...best ever !
Steffi Graf always had a winning lead in matches against Martina. Though that had some to do with her superior fitness compared to the other top ladies.
it's clear who the better player was back in 1997; hingis was number one.
although impossible, id like to see hingis in her top form play the williams sisters at their best (in recent years) and justine henin. i can't imagine she'd fair well against any of them.
a shame she ended her career with a ban for using cocaine. i'm not a fan of her as a person, but her game was definitely something that will be remembered.
I agree Hingis was a better player back in 1997. Nevertheless, Venus is the better player by the way where is Hingis? Hingis was more experince in this match it was her 4th grand slam final at the time whereas, it was Venus first grand slam final. Venus is a better player now her serve, groundstrokes and her return of serve is a lot better. if Hingis were to play Venus today she'd had no chance espically on grass.
the writing was on the wall even back in 1997. venus lacked the consistency but not the shots 2 beat hingis even in '97. no surprise who had the better career in the end, lol.
Martina hingis won her last grand slam at 1999, venus won her last grand slam at 2008; Venus is on the court still. VENUS the best she improve with the years.
martina was just on a roll during 1997 when she won 3 of the 4 slams and took out everyone very easily and made them look like fools (whether it was her intentions or not) hehehe.
she proved that she could compete with the big hitters.
Had Venus played consistently in 95 and 96 she could have won this. The 97 US Open wasn't heavily contested. She played well against Graf in 95 but had she played more those 2 years after her great debut in 94 she may've won
well that and the fact that martina hingis was playing at 5 levels above everyone else. i think at this point in hingis' career no one really knew how to play her.
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Martina is retired? lol you say that like she had a choice! HaHa! Anyways, she was a great player, no doubt. But its been over for her for a while now. While you are stuck in the past watching old vidz of your fav players, mine are still out on the court... WINNING SLAMS!
Oh Yes, Thanks For Posting!!!
jogandotenis 1 month ago
@rlopen10 I think we do know she was an early bloomer. No big titles the last 7.5 years of her career. There comes a point when blaming everything on a stabbing, 3, 6, 9, 12 years ago wears off.
I agree Venus was the real #1 in 2000 and 2001. I am not sure about 2008 though. I think Serena was the worthy #1 that year (Jankovic the computer #1). I could see a case for Venus though since she did win Wimbledon and the WTA Championships, but I still go with Serena.
grafgirl27 2 months ago
@rlopen10 Seles was a quarterfinal player in her second career since she was an early bloomer whose peak was long past and since the next generation of players like Venus, Serena, Davenport, who hit the ball harder than Graf or Seles ever did had taken over. Once players who hit harder than Seles had emerged she wasnt going to be as effective as she only wins by dictating, her defense isnt good enough to win. Graf stayed competitive in older age since she can play defense and still win.
grafgirl27 2 months ago
Sexy Martina.... yum.
MrThreshold2009 3 months ago
Was that the first US Open Final held at Aurthur Ashe stadium?
GeneralKenobiSIYE 3 months ago
LOL at venus at handshake. i thought she has always smiled, win or loss. so since when she has become more gracious at the handshake?
kelvinpyaeko 4 months ago
haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost! haha Penus Williams lost!
MrPenuswilliams1980 4 months ago
martina was 85% skill and 15% power, no other player in male or female history of this sport managed to win so much, with so little power, I think she failed to make the transition with the new strings and rackets, the game became to powerfull, and she just could not compete against the 2 sisters..
symba 7 months ago
martina hingis ws a goddess.
smoothcriminal28 7 months ago
If there is a favorite of mine is Venus's run in the 1997 U.S. Open. She played all out and no inhibitions throughout the tournament. Yeah, she lost but Hingis just played great.
Ariamaluum 7 months ago
Martina Hingis and Justine Henin were the last talented players of Womens Tennis
valledupar1 8 months ago
and even retiring at 25 and only briefly reemerging for a half hearted comeback Henin still has a better overall career than Venus.
grafgirl27 8 months ago
@grafgirl27 i dont know i feel that hingis claimed her titles at a changing point in womens tennis before the heavy monster hitters came to shine... and that the williams sisters style uplifted the level of the game for everyone to get better and harder ... in all Hingis was great in a lull period of tennis like there is today with Wozniaki
lesguy19 8 months ago
@lesguy19 I was talking about Henin, not Hingis. I agree Hingis was just a stopgap mostly.
grafgirl27 8 months ago
@lesguy19 yes! i also think so! the two sisters changed the way tennis played...women started to go to gymn and hit wait...the game is much faster than Hingis could imagine...when no one can beat the puzzle of Hingis game, the William sisters developed a game that totally ruined the domination of Hingis...Serena has what 11 or 13 slams? Hingis has 5, double digit difference...a strong and unique player is what women's tennis needs today, who will unlock the mystery of heavy hitters!
ning100781 6 months ago
@grafgirl27 are serious...then u don't know who venus williams is a seven time grand slam champion dat made 15 grand slams finals losing six of them to her baby sister with 13 grand slam herself...then venus have 13 grand slams in double with 2 mixed doubles slams..and three times olympic champion....then henin has 7 slams with eleven finals...with one olympic gold...no double slams no mixed double...oh i beg to differ....how u don't even compare her with serena....where do i start with dat?
vechris2001 7 months ago
@vechris2001 Doubles means nothing these days. It is mostly for singles hacks or people who do it for fun.
Venus and Henin have 7 slams
Henin has won 3 of the 4 slams, Venus only 2 of the 4
Henin was year end #1 3 times, Venus only 1 times
Henin has 2 WTA Championships, Venus only 1
Both have Olympic singles Gold
The only surface Venus is better is grass. On clay Henin could beat Venus from a wheelchair, indoors she has done much better, and hard courts she is more achieved.
grafgirl27 7 months ago
@grafgirl27 and what's with venus not defending slamss lu?? hey doubles does matter..ofcourse u wont talk about that cos henin has notin on venus there. and venus defended a slam 3 times...wimbledon 00 01 us open 00 01 wimbledon 07 08..besides venus leads their series 7-2. dont get me wrong..henin is great champion..but in tennis world all round venus is held at a higher level than henin. even hingis is considered a greater champion than henin. yeah venus is a 3 time olympic champion...henin 1!
vechris2001 7 months ago
@vechris2001 LOL at Hingis who won her final slam at 18 being considered greater than Henin. Maybe greater than Venus who spend a measley 11 weeks at #1. As for head to head the Venus-Henin head to head means nothing when they played 8 of their 9 matches before Henin won her 1st of 7 slams, which just proves how useless Venus was outside her 3 peak years on no grass surfaces. Unless you now think Novotna is way better than Venus since she leads her 3-1 in head to head. You are delusional.
grafgirl27 7 months ago
@grafgirl27 The head to head means nothing? coming from a Graf fan who is used to showing the Graf Seles H2H in our face llike it does matter? you sound a little bit uneducated about tennis knowledge my friend
kevin12061989 6 months ago
@kevin12061989 arent the same idiot who said Anke freaking Huber was the best player to never win a slam. You are the last one who should question anyones knowledge on tennis. As well:
1. Graf does not need the head to head to justify her superiority to Seles 22 slams to 9 easily does that.
2. Graf and Seles played many times at all different points of their careers. Venus and Hingis played nearly every match at Venus's peak and before Henin's first ever slam. Dumb comparision.
grafgirl27 6 months ago
@grafgirl27 Amazing excuses you seem to use, yeah i guess you use them when you want, like you totally forget how Graf won those slams while seles was away. I'm not arguing with you, i'm just saying those are bullshit excuses, Graf won those slams fair and square like Venus leads 7-2 H2H vs Henin. those blah blah peak theories are BS. From 50 years now people will remember Graf won 22 slams and that H2H was what it was. Period
kevin12061989 6 months ago
@kevin12061989
1. Graf's head to head with Seles is 10-5. While Seles dominated in 91-92 she had a 1-3 head to head with Graf. Oops.
2. Graf won only 4 non Wimbledons while Seles was away. That would leave Graf with 18 slam and Seles with 9.
3. Your stupid Graf-Seles points which add up to nothing in no way relate to the Venus-Henin head to head. Saying all their matches but one were slamless baby Henin isnt excuse but fact. If that is your only straw though grasp it as you wish.
grafgirl27 6 months ago
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@grafgirl27 As regards careers, i think Henin had a slightly better career than Vee but the head to head is 7-2 and there's nothing you and me can do about it like there is nothing we can take Grad slams away even if Seles fans will always downgrade her achievements and we know why!!!
kevin12061989 6 months ago
Actually one correction, Venus has 0 year end #1s and barely any weeks at #1.
-Henin had a 5 year stretch of winning atleast one slam. Venus never had one longer than 2 years.
-Henin has defended a slam title twice. Venus only once.
-Henin reached all slam finals in the same year once.
-Venus has only 1 French Open semi and 1 Australian final. She is crap on slow courts.
And making more slam finals but having the same # of slams just means you are better at losing slam finals, lol!
grafgirl27 7 months ago
@grafgirl27 five year strech? henin won slams in venus made slam finals from 02 french open to 03 aussie open...besides losing a slam final to younger sister is sometimes a previlege. ur baby sister beating u in a slam final that not bad! venus is a former no.1 dat is all dat matters. how come u didnt mention henin's doubles acheivements...cos they do count. and need we say who made the forbes list like 15 years in a row?? having her own business and having a degree while winning wimbledon??
vechris2001 7 months ago
As for doubles, if it was important Graf and Evert would not be rated as equal with Navratilova and Court who had similar singles careers in additon to achieving 20 times more in doubles. And Navratilova and Court played when doubles wasnt a joke, and still dont get hardly any extra credit for it. Like I said doubles to singles players greatness is irrelevant, always has been.
grafgirl27 7 months ago
@grafgirl27 Hey dude, Venus defended a slam three times, check your facts before talking
kevin12061989 6 months ago
@grafgirl27 As regards careers, i think Henin had a slightly better career than Vee but the head to head is 7-2 and there's nothing you and me can do about it like there is nothing we can take Grad slams away even if Seles fans will always downgrade her achievements and we know why!!!
kevin12061989 6 months ago
Higgin's tennis in those years is one of the most beautiful and technically played of all time. Facing girls far more stronger, Higgins put those balls at imposible angles for her rivals. Meanwhile she was receiving easyly -almost effotlessly- in the centre of court...
echever7 10 months ago
she actually won the australian first
physcohomie187 10 months ago
@Icious890 so true...96-99 was truely Hingis era...i miss that time so much, where smart tennis rules...nowadays power tennis rules and it is sooo boring......
JuliaErzanne 11 months ago
The shaking hands was appalling and pointless.
Show some sportsmanship please Tennis Players!!!
beavertown2006 11 months ago
poor venus she was so nervous
lacheyrulez 11 months ago
Yay hingis, the only female tennis player i liked watching. Class in every way. The only one i can call a true number 1 player. Nowdays its just power players and nothing else.. boring and crap.
lcious890 1 year ago
@lcious890 Hingis=Class??? LOL...Do your research.
theblakgeek 10 months ago
i feel sory for Venus...coz at that time Hingis was at her peak...
JuliaErzanne 1 year ago
It's funny watching this video. It's like watching Hingis play against her rag doll.
thegreendestiny 1 year ago
Venus looks silly in this video.
XrenegadeZ 1 year ago
Hingis was so confident, going for winners all over.
dinh 1 year ago
It's really interesting to see how Venus (and Serena as well) game has developed from the beginning. She really looked like a (very talented) debutante ... Love her
minkoss 1 year ago
hingis wasn't overpowered that badly...she should make another comeback.
jzrnsk 1 year ago 2
martina era la chino rios del tenis...un tenis hermoso
luismichelito 1 year ago
I miss Hingis.Her tennis style was superb and magnificent, so enjoyable to watch.(quite the opposite with Williams sisters)Women's tennis is not the same without her.
rivera969 1 year ago 2
I would love to see venus still teh show this year at the open while Serena is out. Do you think Venus has another major or two in her this late in her career or do you think she is pretty much washed up?
nickelwindow53 1 year ago
Haha Penus lost.
penuswilliams1980 1 year ago
Come on Venus. This was your first final. Could have been a bit more graceful during the handshake!
foresure88 1 year ago
Hingis won the battle... but lost the war.
volvariella 1 year ago
@volvariella War for what?
dinh 1 year ago
@dinh
Their rivalry over a long period of time.
volvariella 1 year ago
@volvariella I don't think so. Hingis is leading in her H2H with Venus and is just shy of tying her h2h with Serena. In terms of # of GS's then maybe yes, but Hingis has more accomplishments otherwise than Venus, that's for sure.
dinh 1 year ago
Hingis in my opinion was the last genius to play the game on the women's side!!
Kallytom 1 year ago 8
I always prefered Serena to venus...donno why.
MIRMOOT 1 year ago
lol venus was more ugly even than now roflamo
SuperPenisKIller 1 year ago
@SuperPenisKIller
Is that possible?
penuswilliams1980 1 year ago
I remember praying Venus would at least win a game! So glad Hingis's game went down the drain so my girls could be the greatest of their generation.
cakeforlife 1 year ago
I miss hingis game, she knows its almost impossible to defeat williams sister in hard hitting style, she just keep moving around the court a changing pace to take venus in a game she does not understand, skill and touch game, wta lost his way, ivanovic, jankovic, wozniacki, azarenka and the others they wont have a positive h2h against williams playing like they do know soory for my english
cuarteto6x8 1 year ago
She was a special talent. She just gave it all away.
Armando316 1 year ago
It's pathetic to read these comments. Guys get over it who's better, just enjoy the match, both are legends already :-)
P.S. Venus was moving soooo much better before...
kkzd05 1 year ago
it is ironical tennnis has lost its sex appeal and short skirts ...
sammyjny 1 year ago
1997 was the beginning of the end of women's tennis, and this U.S. Open confirmed it. Up to now, it's still regressing.
lookscudkill 1 year ago
@lookscudkill what the hell are you talking about?
eajrone 1 year ago
There are two key things Hingis doesn't possess to achieve more in big babes era: strong serve and strong forehand.
She doesn't need superior athleticism like Williams sisters to win because her approach to the game is less physical. With strong serve and forehand, she might be able to save energy even more and not easily put under pressure everytime she engaged in a rally.
volvariella 1 year ago
@volvariella
actually, in the end, she did need athleticism and power to win bc she couldnt use craft anymore. the whole reason why hingis did soo bad in 2000 onward was bc she couldn't hang, also serena was become greater and greater. even when hingis played other pushers she would get beaten( jankovic, wozniacki, radwanska)
holocaustik 10 months ago
to FinalFan - Martina's backhand is more alike Agassi's and Nalbandian's than the one of Mary!
this match is one of the best performances from Martina ever. Her forehand here is so much better than later in her career.
also i think she was never afraid of Vee, sho enjoyed playing her, like Seles, only Venus was more athletic and better mover than Monica. Martina used the pace of Venus so many times.
MrNoDiRi 1 year ago
Oh come on! Hingis was not overpowered by Mary Pierce, they faced each other lots of time and Pierce couldn't match Hingis groundstrokes EVEN with Pierce's power (look back to 1997 AO. finals) Hingis always was a good defender and had a nice footwork, so it is quite ridiculous to say that she didnt have any physical condition to match those power hitters.
brunofroes21 1 year ago
question: who was Martina's runner-up during Aus 98 final?
LoganManila 1 year ago
@LoganManila Conchita Martinez ;)
czarnicolas12 1 year ago
@czarnicolas12 some people don't know about google?
foxyjohnuk 1 year ago
@LoganManila Martina woz nt runner up 2any 1 in da aus- open 98 she won it in 97 98 & 99 it woz a hatrick...
kevinandrew791 1 year ago
This was target practice for Hingis!
er9804 1 year ago
Lol she didn't play against Venus, she used Venus to play haha
DIANAROSS4EVER 2 years ago 18
yeah, venus made history being seeded 66 in the world and still made the finals. Hingis was seeded number one, and where is hingis now? she was blown out by the williams sis
agathapanthers 2 years ago
Lol, Williams sisters just win Grand Slams, and nothing more, Hingis has been number one about three times more than Venus and Serena combined. Hingis has won every important tournament but Roland Garros. She's been a consistent winner for a lot of time when actually her career was short. Her tennis style was better and a 1000 times more enjoyable to watch than this 2. She has lots of records to her name, the incredible is that she was no.1 at 16 isn't it? not reaching the final seeded 66.
DIANAROSS4EVER 2 years ago
@DIANAROSS4EVER Lol, only win grand slams? How come Venus has got 41 titles and hingis 43... LOL That is such a HUGE difference
krisnabro 2 years ago
because Venus has had a much longer career than Hingis
DIANAROSS4EVER 2 years ago
@DIANAROSS4EVER Thats because Hingis got run out of the game for being a coke fiend..... lol anyways both have 43 now... ;)
bamastudent86 1 year ago
@DIANAROSS4EVER "a much longer career" Hingis was run out of the game first by the Williams sisters and second because of coke... either way she and Venus have played about the same amount of matches.....
Venus 567 W-138 L
Hingis 548 W- 133 L
Don't be bitter....
bamastudent86 1 year ago
@bamastudent86 Since you obviously have such a strong dislike for Martina, why watch videos of her?
Hokit 1 year ago
Venus just forgot to watch Mary Pierce's game plan on how to smash Hingis. Hingis is very good at playing all around the court, but forcing her form corner to corner for a whole entire match, burns her up mentally and then burns her out physically.
FinalFan0 1 year ago
If Hingis only played her physical game, she probably wouldn't have reached the top 50, she is the best tactical player ever, for example she can make a drop shot of a power shot, or even make a drop shot of a serve
DIANAROSS4EVER 1 year ago 2
Yep, but it doesn't change the fact that Mary Pierce gave her a taste of what future women's tennis would be like for her. What hurt Hingis when she came back was the fact that all the women became faster and stronger.
watch?v=QxqdyXAIq-o
I think what really hurt Hingis in this match was Pierce's 2-Hand Backhand of Doom. I'm not entirely sure but it looks like Pierce is 1 of the few women we've ever seen with a backhand like Agassi and Nalbandian.
FinalFan0 1 year ago
@FinalFan0 Hingis owned Pierce. Pierce had a few wins but on the whole was spanked by Martina. I like Pierce more than Hingis too but those are the facts. It is silly to talk about Pierce having the code on how to beat Hingis.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@FinalFan0 Of course. That's why Pierce has a losing H2H record against Martina.
Hokit 1 year ago
@DIANAROSS4EVER yeah with a pesudo like yours of course you'll make such not interesting comments... Venus is still winning tournaments at age 30, reaching grand slams semis and going strong with more slams than Hingis (who also tests positive for cocaine)... Go Vee!!!
minkoss 1 year ago
@minkoss Lol Venus is the queen of WImbledon, but Martina is a better player, Venus' 43 tournaments are most of them shitty tournaments like Seoul or Tokyo Princess cup or that craps, Hingis hasn't even won a Tier IV, Hingis has like 10 more Tier I titles than Venus, also... Venus' 2 months at number 1 compared to Hingis' 4... YEARS
DIANAROSS4EVER 1 year ago
@DIANAROSS4EVER oh no girlfriend!!! No you didn't! Winning a tournament is winning a tournament! And Venus is playing in a field much more competitive than Martina's eras! As soon people started reading her game and actually overpowering her, she went away. Have you watched that match in Varsovie btwn both when Hingis returned? Vee with cramps sent her home! I am sorry I just find Venus greater than M
minkoss 1 year ago
@minkoss No winning a Tier IV is not like winning a Tier I, then I guess that winning an ITF tournament is the same as winning a Grand Slam? Omg then Zuzana Ondraskova is the best player ever! Also Martina had a much more competitive field back then come on, Venus is actually a survivor of women's tennis golden era with Graf, Seles, Hingis, Davenport, Serena, Capriati, Pierce, etc. Come on even playing Schett or Kournikova probably was tougher than playing against Wozniacki, Radwanska or Safina
DIANAROSS4EVER 1 year ago
@minkoss
I have to agree with Dianaross4ever..women's tennis in the 90s had a tougher field.
lunaretic3 1 year ago
@minkoss how is venus different from serena? or from sharapova? what defines her game? she's one of the many who rely on power. and dont get me wrong, she's absolutely magnificent doin it. it's just that a graf, a henin, a HINGIS, has so much more variety to offer and are more remarkable in that sense.
MrGogogo13 1 year ago
@MrGogogo13 While I respect your opinion, you clearly have a bias, or haven't a very good eye. Tennis is simply not as black/white as you make it seem. Sure, Venus hits with power and is strong from the baseline, but how many points does she end at the net? On average, she winds up at the net in about 50% of her rallies, compared to Sharapova who'll only approach the net about three times per set. This match just isn't a very good showcase of those skills because Hingis was on fire in 97.
IRunLA69 10 months ago
@MrGogogo13 And sadly, if you use Henin and Hingis as a measuring stick for what good variety is, you'll be sadly disappointed for the net decade or so. One could even argue Venus has MORE "variety" than Hingis - Hitting a powerful groundstroke is a skill, and is no less valuable than any other skill. Venus could dominate with from both wings at the baseline, serve aces, finish points easily at the net, and serve/volley better than Hingis, who was admittedly a better drop/lobber by far.
IRunLA69 10 months ago
@IRunLA69 you are right on Hingis but Henin at her best easily has more variety. She can match power with the biggest hitters but also has alot of Hingis like shots in her arsenal. Had she mantained her 2007 form and not retired she would have easily surpassed Serena's career by now.
grafgirl27 8 months ago
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and later on this girl went on to do cocaine lol
SoorenaAA 2 years ago
ahahaha
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IF NOT ALREADY ON IT! LOL
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agaharla 2 years ago
me021671 hello the only way they can stop serena form taking 2010 aussie open is suspending her cause her 09 record was phenomenal she is still and will always be the #1 in da world...aka baddest bitch in tennis town LOL& if you think eleven slams is where it ends your crazy as hell lol
NehemiahsMusic1 2 years ago
I miss Martina so much. Seeing her on court was such a great pleasure
cesarcbaok 2 years ago
I love Hingis' headband!
dinh 2 years ago 4
is it possible to like all of them...sorry but i honestly do. the williams, henin, clijsters and not least hingis have contributed so much to womens tennis. look at the new ones, radwanska, safina, wozniaki can't play a volley it's pathetic and excrutiatingly boring. henin and hingis are the greatest of the past decades, elegance and style on court like no one else!!
lorofcb2 2 years ago 25
@lorofcb2 @lorofcb2 yeah I have to agree with you. The Williams sisters, Hingis, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo and Sharapova provided the greatest era of women's tennis. It's absolutely boring nowadays. Serena and Clijsters play what? 3 tournaments a year? And they are infinitely better than the Wozniackis and Zvonarevas who play every single week. Women tennis is in the shambles at this point.
vozas 1 year ago
@lorofcb2 oh come on radwanska plays volleys pretty well
justuser82 1 year ago
Such a shame she has retired. At least we now have Kim and Justine. I'm sure Venus is overjoyed... Henin gave her a big lesson at US Open 07 as well. Kind of reminded me of that.
camaranina 2 years ago 2
lol big lesson? with a 2 to 7 win record loss to Venus...Henins been gettin a lesson for a while now lol....she barely beat Venus that day too...i'm glad she's back...because both Williams Sisters has a warm welcome for miss Henin...:) Everyone knows how Serena likes to get revenge...i'm almost fearful for Clijsters the next match up she has with Serena.... ;)
Blakmajik78 2 years ago 2
yup, a losing record like kim had against serena before she beat her in straight sets at the us open after 2 1/2 years of not playing. henin totally schooled venus at the 2007 us open. and yeah, she routed serena too the round previous
Me021671 2 years ago
quit living in the past. your gorillas have been playing pretty much the same way they have been the past decade - brainless ballbashing, except now serena has grown a second ass. they had their way when the belgians were still upstarts but now the belgians are in full swing. sorry but 2010 is absolutely the last year you will see your gorillas. they will retire out of fear from the belgians
Me021671 2 years ago
Brainless ball bashing that has gotten both of them a winning record over both Justine and Clijsters, more money, more slams, more popularity as well LOL! Look we know they will not win all...sometimes THEY WILL loose, but when its all said and done...they are still the measuring stick of womens tennis. Dont brag too much on miss Henin the last time she met Serena..she had her ass handed to her. Nobody ca beat the williams sisters the way they beat their opponents they always struggle to do it.
Blakmajik78 2 years ago
serena only managed to win 3 grandslams latter part of 2008 and mid09 because the belgians were not around. the tally stops at 11, sorry. now sit back and relax as the belgians pile up the slams. that is, if they manage to survive on-court assassination attempts from your gun-toting posse from the hood
Me021671 2 years ago
@Me021671 i bet now u feel sick because serena has won the Austrailian Open and is not into the semifinals of wimbeldon
db200508 1 year ago
oh you mean like the warm welcome they intended for kimmie at the us open? boomerang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Me021671 2 years ago
You are so right lol Clijsters betta be ready lol
NehemiahsMusic1 2 years ago
I think Serena will fear Kim even more the next time. though she's a great champion and fighter, and always up for the challenge, she will have to watch out. She has the winning record, but most of those matches were very tight, she never got a free ride over clijsters. Sometimes just lacked a bit of killer instinct. But she's very motivated now. She said in an interview she's looking forward to Australia, and that she wants to be an even better player. She's a big treath out there!
orbitalwarrior 2 years ago
AND yet Venus has the overall edge on Henin =)
ISaidTubeMe 2 years ago
Hang on...so you can be a great female tennis player without over the top grunting? Wow, what a revelation :)
penfoldificationful 2 years ago
I love seeing Hingis serve and volley. The one at championship point was just amazing. She made that shoe-lace volley look so damn easy.
ispaht 2 years ago
Hingis! I like! Je adore! 大好き!
GIVERWAYER699 2 years ago
Venus Williams doing her thing as usual!!
sixfeetandsexy 2 years ago 2
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womens tennis is boring
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
even when anna kournikova is playing?
bobbycratchit 2 years ago
Was a lesson of tennis for Venus and without the use of power, just the quality of the shots. The lob was amazing, it is like a humiliation to the opponent. Pity another great player retired.
paulinolondon 2 years ago 3
Martina was very precise on her shots, and had a great technique, but she always lacked in power, even an amateur could have returned her serves, they were so weak.
onixya1969 2 years ago
I dont think so. It's only Martina's 2nd serve that was really weak but so is Venus'. Look how far martina stood inside for V's 2nd.
dinh 2 years ago 2
Venus doing some strange noises
heledraku 2 years ago 3
they made for each other lol
flord777 2 years ago
Venus's serve is now twice the speed as it was here - she's improved so much from this.
matt90matt90 2 years ago
This could be the girls' final
DIANAROSS4EVER 2 years ago
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venus williams is ugly
sergioelcibernetico 2 years ago
Great thing about hingis is that she didn't try to hit winners from the baseline, she used her groundstrokes to construct the putaway up at net.
spartyutube 2 years ago 4
Mi fa impazzire la Williams! Non vedo l'ora di vederla domani contro la safina...ho anche già scommesso su lottomatica, speriamo che le porti bene!
silviettafelletti 2 years ago 2
Wow, Venus had a really crap serve back then. Anyway, this was her first slam final at her FIRST US Open. Amazing stuff from Venus back then.
AJB3 2 years ago
martina divina gracias por ser tan linda y gracias por subir el video de colombia__________________¨¨¨¨yamid
YamidxxR9 2 years ago
omg Martina played so well !! I'm really amazed!!
Pure genius!!
maxiskhan 2 years ago
HInggis looks pretty in this video.. ^^ and nice tennis.. thanks
wksoh 2 years ago
Thank´s for this videoo!!! :)
Eliashwoarang 2 years ago
and martina has a very healty head to heard against power players..even during her comeback..she would have beat venuys twice there..she beat sharapova dementieva davenport etc..shes capable of beating anyone out there!
letgomoveon 2 years ago 4
You're right ! The 1997 Hingis would have beaten anyone in any era ! These players today would not have lived with her ! Her play was probably too subtle for some idiots to understand ! Martin...best ever !
traverscm 2 years ago
Steffi Graf always had a winning lead in matches against Martina. Though that had some to do with her superior fitness compared to the other top ladies.
Menexpert 2 years ago
it's clear who the better player was back in 1997; hingis was number one.
although impossible, id like to see hingis in her top form play the williams sisters at their best (in recent years) and justine henin. i can't imagine she'd fair well against any of them.
a shame she ended her career with a ban for using cocaine. i'm not a fan of her as a person, but her game was definitely something that will be remembered.
MLBoykin 2 years ago 2
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rockaboyz1988 2 years ago
I agree Hingis was a better player back in 1997. Nevertheless, Venus is the better player by the way where is Hingis? Hingis was more experince in this match it was her 4th grand slam final at the time whereas, it was Venus first grand slam final. Venus is a better player now her serve, groundstrokes and her return of serve is a lot better. if Hingis were to play Venus today she'd had no chance espically on grass.
rockaboyz1988 2 years ago
Hingis beat Venus in the 2006 Italian Open . Their styles always made for exciting tennis.
hrhsam 2 years ago
the writing was on the wall even back in 1997. venus lacked the consistency but not the shots 2 beat hingis even in '97. no surprise who had the better career in the end, lol.
htownhomie06 2 years ago 2
Martina hingis won her last grand slam at 1999, venus won her last grand slam at 2008; Venus is on the court still. VENUS the best she improve with the years.
Mollendino25 2 years ago
martina was just on a roll during 1997 when she won 3 of the 4 slams and took out everyone very easily and made them look like fools (whether it was her intentions or not) hehehe.
she proved that she could compete with the big hitters.
jmahrky 3 years ago
It's fantastic to see Martina owning Venus haha
DIANAROSS4EVER 3 years ago
ma che c aveva in testa venus????? :D comunque grandissime
alexius00 3 years ago
Go Martina!!!
justyn120 3 years ago
It was Venus's first major final. SHE DID GREAT TO GET THERE!
supremethunderer 3 years ago
Martina played really well...1:18 lol.
tenisguy80 3 years ago 2
Thank I've been looking for this for years. Do you have anymore Serena/Venus highlights.
NuBianQueen1207 3 years ago
Had Venus played consistently in 95 and 96 she could have won this. The 97 US Open wasn't heavily contested. She played well against Graf in 95 but had she played more those 2 years after her great debut in 94 she may've won
Venus4Lyfe 3 years ago
Venus was just not ready for martina at the time, too inexperienced. She needed to have more belief in her game and more consistancy.
YayanBenBenjamin 3 years ago
well that and the fact that martina hingis was playing at 5 levels above everyone else. i think at this point in hingis' career no one really knew how to play her.
holocaustik 3 years ago 6
it didn't take them too long to figure out
DreamBoye 3 years ago
Dude, get over it.
I don't know what you want to prove with your endless speach, Martina is retired and Venus and Serena have won more slams. It's over.
You're so annoying. :(
czarnicolas12 3 years ago 2
pfft martina is better than williams by far! williams should be playing in the atp tour against nadal lmao..
aussiesyd20 2 years ago
wtfff u wish that hingis is better go get a life loser
MRRONI112 2 years ago
lol u dont even know about tennis.. hingis head to head against nigga is 11-10! what an ignorant
aussiesyd20 2 years ago
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rockaboyz1988 2 years ago
hingis is just amazing! oh and fkn hot
aussiesyd20 2 years ago
the difference was 1 win. not much difference there. you call this guy ignorant and then call venus a "nigga?" right.
hingis isn't hot. not ugly, but let's be serious here.
MLBoykin 2 years ago
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Martina is retired? lol you say that like she had a choice! HaHa! Anyways, she was a great player, no doubt. But its been over for her for a while now. While you are stuck in the past watching old vidz of your fav players, mine are still out on the court... WINNING SLAMS!
DreamBoye 2 years ago
go hingis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
matthewcharron 2 years ago