can't believe no one knows the truth about Big Brown's failure. I have not read all posts but I am amazed at recent posts still debating what may have happened. On June 23, 2008 ESPN published (along with USA Today and many others) the photo showing BB with a loose horse shoe. End of story.
Google "Big Brown loose horse shoe" and click the ESPN link and see for yourself, I am unable to post the link here.
Anyone who says that the outcome of a race is a forgone conclusion before the race is an idiot. You say there is a very good chance before the race, and wait till after to claim that it was predetermined by God.
Seems to me there is a certain percentage of the public who believe when a big favorite loses well dammit the race was fixed. If you know even a little bit about race riding,you can tell with certainty that the jock rode a straight up race. You people need to spend some more time on your handicapping skills,so you won't be led like sheep to the betting windows to lose your money. Loss of training time,due to an abcess,his early rankness,possibly the deep track,the loose shoe,those are plausible.
I think he only lost becuase he was boxed in. in the horse racing industry, Number 1, as big brown was in the Belmont, is the worst place to start out at. Thats my prediction.
there was more money to make stiffin the horese then there was winning what was bet on big brown about a 100 million how much did the east coast bookies stand to loose with big brown winning when they tell u to stiff u stiff no matter what thet all got paid off kent the owners tax free .let me give all u gamblers advice u wanna win dont go in suckers
if the horse was stiffed then im sure they wouldnt have made it that obvious by comming last im tired of all you fools who probably bet on the horse so you claim that the race was fixed, did they also tell all the other jockeys and owners to stiff their horses so the longest shot on the board would win.you have no idea how much this was worth to the people involved in big brown, hundreds of millions for breeding in the future,shut up already you have watched the sopranos too many times.
Rick Dutrow should not have said the horse was garantied to win. On wins alone the general public lost easily on $6M. I think Casino Drive would have ran a big one if it was not scratched. Oh well you win some you loose some thats the sport of champions for you!
investigate kent desormeaux,pull his license,,why everyone covering for kent,,the race stunk,,i could ridden big brown home,,going into the far turn he should have opened him up,,other horses would have quit as he went flying by
of cours i think he stiffd that horse just look at the ride he gave that horse and if certain people tell u to loose that race if u kno whats good for u u loose the race it is as simple as that its horse racing its filled with crooks there was more money to be made with the horse loosin then wnning thy got there stud fee 50 million and the pple who own the horse r not to be trusted
he didnt have the horse, simple, i guess when secreteriat lost, the race must have been fixed also, get a life not even the best horses in the world always win.and the owners would have received 5 million for the victory so please shut up about the race being fixed, you fool.another schmuck who bets a favourite and then gets mad when he looses.
kent desormeaux should retire,,enought of his garbage,,big brown wanted to run from the gate,,kent runs up behind horses,gets kicked,,stays wide the whole race,,held him third for the longest on backstrech and far turn when big brown clearly wanted to run,,finally big brown said hell with it,,you run,,,,,and quit,,thanks kent another great triple crown ride,,,real quiet,,it wasnt your fault
a giraffe could have beat BB that day the way kent handled that horse.way to go kent,what were you 14 wide on the back stretch!you said the horse wanted to run and ya held em back,way to go!
stiffing horse is part of the game alot of these jockeys dont make more then 30,000 a year they have kids tosupport car payment house payment they r betting but thats part of the game its only crooked if u have the winning ticket and u try to cash it and they dont pay u then u can call it crooked but holdin back horses is part of the game and only a fool would bet a favorite they usually loose............
you saying that kent stiffed the horse on purpose? are you totaly retarded, kent would have made half a mill for winning that race, he probably make close to a mil a year,so shut up fool about stiffing the horse, go back to your paper route you moron. are you mad because you bet your paycheck on big brown which is probably 100 dollars, get a life homo.
Anyone who would even try to accuse Kent of stiffing BB,is either very sick mentally,and or extremely naive. They probably lost some money on the race,and their just trying to come up with a reason for his loss. His ride was fine,he dealt with his being rank,got him 3rd on the outside(although he was floated wider by Tale of Ekati),and had him in good position going into the far turn. When he asked for run,he had nothing. He looked like a horse who either bled,or didn't handle the track.Cont:
Cont: Of course,he was checked out and he didn't bleed. I've watched a ton of races,and when he showed absolutely NO KICK,that is a sure sign of bleeding, or not being able to handle the racing surface. In the end I honestly believe it was his inability to cope with the track surface,no more no less. People in our society just want to find someone or something to blame. In this case I find these accusations extremely assinine,and distasteful!
this race allready fixed...thats why they scratch casino drive(japanese horse)on the last day...owner,trainer,jockey...all asshole...all about money.1 more thing,dont bet any new york horse racing (belmont or aquaduct)...mafioso!
Some people are just idiots who take up too much oxygen. They obviously didn't do their homework. They betted against history and the other trainer who has upset a triple crown hopeful before. The mob umm yeah right. This sports needs a triple crown winner more than anything. It's a shame this horse is being talked about like shit because of stupidity and dislike for its trainer and owners. Go crawl back up into your daddy's nutsack until you have something intelligent to say.
I don't care what anybody says Kent Desormeaux did the right thing. Too many horses suffer freak injuries cause they are pushed too hard. Like most athletes, horses sometimes are off their game. And like every athlete Big Brown will live to see another day.
the trainer took him off the (legal) steroid winstrol. WHY? no idea. brown had been given the bump once a month, and then dutrow decided he didn't need it anymore. too cocky
i have trained juming horses for over 20 yrs...you don't make big changes before a big show or certainly before your horse almost wins the triple crown
He held Big Brown back becausa ehe was not doing well and slowing down..The Jocky did the right thing!! GOOD FOR HIM!! FINALLY A JOCKY WITH SOME SENCE AND HEART!!!
I think all the idiots who bet on him should be turned into mulch. Idiots, LOL. Obviously these people who have no idea how to bet, who won't take a chance and will only bet on a sure thing. Well if it was a sure thing there wouldn't be odds.
a guy bet 13,000,000 for him to win and was showing every body. I told him to get his mony back but he said i going to have get it al back and i didn't see him after the race he should kill himself for being a jackass
anyone interested in buyinh big brown 2 dollar win tickets for belmont i got thousand of em. They can also be used for admittance to belmont park as a discount ... after all thats the least the track could do for losing your asses on this day!
and for the jockey i have a ton of respect for him. he did what was best for the horse. and when it all comes down you have to throw out all the media and money and focus on what is best for the horse. big brown ran out of gas so instead of pushing and risking serious injury he decided to save the horse for another day and just get him home safe.
Big Brown is an amazing horse... all of the horses are. Asking a horse to give that much in 5 weeks is a lot. It is like a human running the 3 hardest marathons in just over a month. Anyone who is a horse person and understands them knows that they have bad days, just like anyone else. Dutrow needs to remeber not to count your chickens before they hatch...
Hey ESPN here is a headline for ya! Big brown attempts to bring the public to sense of feeling good during bad economic times . War , inflation, public is down and out , boy! what a story a second coming of big red! coeds weeping along the rail applauding like miss penny! but not today! "BIGBROWN" RUNS OUTA GAS!!!!!!!!! HOW FITTING...........
The bottom line is this , SECRETARIAT in the media's eyes is often imitated NEVER duplicated. Dutrow's arrogance shows proof positive that despite your 8 times caught doping in new york the great EQUALIZER that being the belmont will always keep "BIG RED" where he belongs ahead by 31 and wynstrol free..... back to rehab ya go jackass........
I think you miss the point most bettors are trying to make. They are saying that if Rick Dutrow Jr. had been more truthful about the effect of a foot injury on top of a racehorse now off of his anabolic steroid Winstrol, they would have--they would then have have "generously" acknowledged they'd still keep Big Brown as their first choice for fourth. Dutrow was cocky toward Casino Drive's connections and he got what he Deserves. Dutrow owes explanations and should be banned.
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This fuckin' horse is worthless....I lost $500 on this piece of shit animal! Please, please send him to the dog food factory soon...my pit bull needs fed! FUCK!
You sound as if you needn't be at a horserace much less ever associated with an animal. Remember this is a public forum; we don't need to hear your ignorance talking.
a guy bet 13,000,000 for him to win and was showing every body. I told him to get his mony back but he said i going to have get it all back afteer the race when he wins back and i didn't see him after the race he should kill himself for being a jackass
kent desormeaux,,,,dead last,,give me a break,this horse was a total lock,,,i lost my ass,,,,wide the whole race,,ran into horses out of the post,,held him too long,,let the horse run,,,,if any trainer gives desormeaux another possible triple crown winner in the belmont he should go see a shrink
I agree, Dutrow comparing BB to Secretariat is not even logical and telling another competitor his horse is a pile of shit is not classy at all. For the horse Big brown, sorry to see BB lose, but overall I am glad just do to the fact Dutrow is in the barn now eating crow.
Today's horses, like today's men, are pussies. Maybe the answer is to make the Belmont 1 1/8 miles so we can have a modern triple crown winner. They've dumbed down everything else to be accomodating.
finally , a man with insight , I love it!!!! "its too hard to be secretariat" waaaaa, waaaa why's it got to be so hard to be great "its not fair " dumbing it down is the best thing ie heard all day! I say make it a sprint sing new york new york , give trophy to who the "kids" and "coeds" along the rail want to win , then eeryone's happy. yippppeeeeeee... we got a triple crown nanananaa naaa naaaa....
i tell you once again this game is amazing. I really feel bad that this wonderful horse has an egg on his face and the one person i blame more than anyone is richard dutrow. Jockeys are allowed to have confidence in there horses cause they ride them but bottom line when a trainer says the test of the champion 1 1/2 distance marathon is a FORGONE CONCLUSION. You almost see the man upstairs god himself making him EAT HIS WORDS. What a loser and for that not the horse im glad he didn't win
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can't believe no one knows the truth about Big Brown's failure. I have not read all posts but I am amazed at recent posts still debating what may have happened. On June 23, 2008 ESPN published (along with USA Today and many others) the photo showing BB with a loose horse shoe. End of story.
Google "Big Brown loose horse shoe" and click the ESPN link and see for yourself, I am unable to post the link here.
IIKings920 1 year ago
Anyone who says that the outcome of a race is a forgone conclusion before the race is an idiot. You say there is a very good chance before the race, and wait till after to claim that it was predetermined by God.
ewd76 2 years ago
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3321499 3 years ago
Seems to me there is a certain percentage of the public who believe when a big favorite loses well dammit the race was fixed. If you know even a little bit about race riding,you can tell with certainty that the jock rode a straight up race. You people need to spend some more time on your handicapping skills,so you won't be led like sheep to the betting windows to lose your money. Loss of training time,due to an abcess,his early rankness,possibly the deep track,the loose shoe,those are plausible.
BE109 3 years ago 2
I think he only lost becuase he was boxed in. in the horse racing industry, Number 1, as big brown was in the Belmont, is the worst place to start out at. Thats my prediction.
HorseGirlBre 3 years ago
there was more money to make stiffin the horese then there was winning what was bet on big brown about a 100 million how much did the east coast bookies stand to loose with big brown winning when they tell u to stiff u stiff no matter what thet all got paid off kent the owners tax free .let me give all u gamblers advice u wanna win dont go in suckers
342157 3 years ago
if the horse was stiffed then im sure they wouldnt have made it that obvious by comming last im tired of all you fools who probably bet on the horse so you claim that the race was fixed, did they also tell all the other jockeys and owners to stiff their horses so the longest shot on the board would win.you have no idea how much this was worth to the people involved in big brown, hundreds of millions for breeding in the future,shut up already you have watched the sopranos too many times.
drzaiuss27 3 years ago
Rick Dutrow should not have said the horse was garantied to win. On wins alone the general public lost easily on $6M. I think Casino Drive would have ran a big one if it was not scratched. Oh well you win some you loose some thats the sport of champions for you!
Squireforhire2003 3 years ago
google to alexbrownracing
This is the top horse site in the world where all things equine are discussed.
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EndHorseSlaughter2 3 years ago
investigate kent desormeaux,pull his license,,why everyone covering for kent,,the race stunk,,i could ridden big brown home,,going into the far turn he should have opened him up,,other horses would have quit as he went flying by
nastylefthook1 3 years ago
of cours i think he stiffd that horse just look at the ride he gave that horse and if certain people tell u to loose that race if u kno whats good for u u loose the race it is as simple as that its horse racing its filled with crooks there was more money to be made with the horse loosin then wnning thy got there stud fee 50 million and the pple who own the horse r not to be trusted
342157 3 years ago
he didnt have the horse, simple, i guess when secreteriat lost, the race must have been fixed also, get a life not even the best horses in the world always win.and the owners would have received 5 million for the victory so please shut up about the race being fixed, you fool.another schmuck who bets a favourite and then gets mad when he looses.
drzaiuss27 3 years ago
google alexbrownracing
This is the top horse site in the world where all things equine are discussed.
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EndHorseSlaughter2 3 years ago
kent did do the right thing.
he asked big brown to run and he wouldnt go.
big brown could have never won that race unless he went when kent asked him to.
so all you jackasses
stfu!
jamieleexo 3 years ago 2
kent desormeaux should retire,,enought of his garbage,,big brown wanted to run from the gate,,kent runs up behind horses,gets kicked,,stays wide the whole race,,held him third for the longest on backstrech and far turn when big brown clearly wanted to run,,finally big brown said hell with it,,you run,,,,,and quit,,thanks kent another great triple crown ride,,,real quiet,,it wasnt your fault
nastylefthook1 3 years ago
a giraffe could have beat BB that day the way kent handled that horse.way to go kent,what were you 14 wide on the back stretch!you said the horse wanted to run and ya held em back,way to go!
ezfla 3 years ago
stiffing horse is part of the game alot of these jockeys dont make more then 30,000 a year they have kids tosupport car payment house payment they r betting but thats part of the game its only crooked if u have the winning ticket and u try to cash it and they dont pay u then u can call it crooked but holdin back horses is part of the game and only a fool would bet a favorite they usually loose............
342157 3 years ago
you saying that kent stiffed the horse on purpose? are you totaly retarded, kent would have made half a mill for winning that race, he probably make close to a mil a year,so shut up fool about stiffing the horse, go back to your paper route you moron. are you mad because you bet your paycheck on big brown which is probably 100 dollars, get a life homo.
drzaiuss27 3 years ago 2
Anyone who would even try to accuse Kent of stiffing BB,is either very sick mentally,and or extremely naive. They probably lost some money on the race,and their just trying to come up with a reason for his loss. His ride was fine,he dealt with his being rank,got him 3rd on the outside(although he was floated wider by Tale of Ekati),and had him in good position going into the far turn. When he asked for run,he had nothing. He looked like a horse who either bled,or didn't handle the track.Cont:
BE109 3 years ago
Cont: Of course,he was checked out and he didn't bleed. I've watched a ton of races,and when he showed absolutely NO KICK,that is a sure sign of bleeding, or not being able to handle the racing surface. In the end I honestly believe it was his inability to cope with the track surface,no more no less. People in our society just want to find someone or something to blame. In this case I find these accusations extremely assinine,and distasteful!
BE109 3 years ago
this race allready fixed...thats why they scratch casino drive(japanese horse)on the last day...owner,trainer,jockey...all asshole...all about money.1 more thing,dont bet any new york horse racing (belmont or aquaduct)...mafioso!
kenalways 3 years ago
Why does evereyone keep saying that he made history my finishing last? The jockey pulled him up, and that is the only reason he finished last.
bbrookiing 3 years ago
the horse was out of shape because of the foot injury. big brown just didnt want to race that day.
BrianShaw23 3 years ago 3
Some people are just idiots who take up too much oxygen. They obviously didn't do their homework. They betted against history and the other trainer who has upset a triple crown hopeful before. The mob umm yeah right. This sports needs a triple crown winner more than anything. It's a shame this horse is being talked about like shit because of stupidity and dislike for its trainer and owners. Go crawl back up into your daddy's nutsack until you have something intelligent to say.
ladybelle24 3 years ago
all betting sports are controlled by the mob.the race was fixed.billions of dollars won? this race as fixed no doubt.
steve89z 3 years ago
I don't care what anybody says Kent Desormeaux did the right thing. Too many horses suffer freak injuries cause they are pushed too hard. Like most athletes, horses sometimes are off their game. And like every athlete Big Brown will live to see another day.
Cobra1875 3 years ago
Yea for the Jockey. I wonder how much the trainer got for blowing the race. I am a horse person for 50 years. I feel sorry for that horse
dkolian 3 years ago
Big Brown is owned by a hedge fund conglomerate. Enough said.
823077 3 years ago
the trainer took him off the (legal) steroid winstrol. WHY? no idea. brown had been given the bump once a month, and then dutrow decided he didn't need it anymore. too cocky
i have trained juming horses for over 20 yrs...you don't make big changes before a big show or certainly before your horse almost wins the triple crown
mcbarron23 3 years ago
He held Big Brown back becausa ehe was not doing well and slowing down..The Jocky did the right thing!! GOOD FOR HIM!! FINALLY A JOCKY WITH SOME SENCE AND HEART!!!
rustyboy12198 3 years ago
Big Brown is great horse...If you bet and lost tuff shit...The horse is wonderful!
rustyboy12198 3 years ago
$1 bet 1-6-4 excacta box
$5 bet 6-4-8,1 tri
$50 bet 6 win
$2 bet 6-4-8-1 box super
"look at the horse #6 in a program he was the speed in the race. also big brown was walking funny"
also #5 was scratched if he was not i would of lostall my other bet but the ex and w/p
sassysimba 3 years ago
I think all the idiots who bet on him should be turned into mulch. Idiots, LOL. Obviously these people who have no idea how to bet, who won't take a chance and will only bet on a sure thing. Well if it was a sure thing there wouldn't be odds.
ladybelle24 3 years ago
a guy bet 13,000,000 for him to win and was showing every body. I told him to get his mony back but he said i going to have get it al back and i didn't see him after the race he should kill himself for being a jackass
sassysimba 3 years ago
anyone interested in buyinh big brown 2 dollar win tickets for belmont i got thousand of em. They can also be used for admittance to belmont park as a discount ... after all thats the least the track could do for losing your asses on this day!
BIGRED224FOREVER 3 years ago
@BIGRED224FOREVERhahahah that sucks balls
atvizory2000 1 year ago
and for the jockey i have a ton of respect for him. he did what was best for the horse. and when it all comes down you have to throw out all the media and money and focus on what is best for the horse. big brown ran out of gas so instead of pushing and risking serious injury he decided to save the horse for another day and just get him home safe.
SmartAsAggie 3 years ago
Big Brown is an amazing horse... all of the horses are. Asking a horse to give that much in 5 weeks is a lot. It is like a human running the 3 hardest marathons in just over a month. Anyone who is a horse person and understands them knows that they have bad days, just like anyone else. Dutrow needs to remeber not to count your chickens before they hatch...
SmartAsAggie 3 years ago
i cant believew kent said the horse wanted to run"but i held him back"LET THE HORSE RUN HIS DAMN RACE!
ezfla 3 years ago
Hey ESPN here is a headline for ya! Big brown attempts to bring the public to sense of feeling good during bad economic times . War , inflation, public is down and out , boy! what a story a second coming of big red! coeds weeping along the rail applauding like miss penny! but not today! "BIGBROWN" RUNS OUTA GAS!!!!!!!!! HOW FITTING...........
BIGRED224FOREVER 3 years ago
The bottom line is this , SECRETARIAT in the media's eyes is often imitated NEVER duplicated. Dutrow's arrogance shows proof positive that despite your 8 times caught doping in new york the great EQUALIZER that being the belmont will always keep "BIG RED" where he belongs ahead by 31 and wynstrol free..... back to rehab ya go jackass........
BIGRED224FOREVER 3 years ago
I think you miss the point most bettors are trying to make. They are saying that if Rick Dutrow Jr. had been more truthful about the effect of a foot injury on top of a racehorse now off of his anabolic steroid Winstrol, they would have--they would then have have "generously" acknowledged they'd still keep Big Brown as their first choice for fourth. Dutrow was cocky toward Casino Drive's connections and he got what he Deserves. Dutrow owes explanations and should be banned.
dodgesanjeeb 3 years ago
Does this mean Big Brown trainer Dutrow can have his place back in the tack room? Or is there no room in the inn this time?
dodgesanjeeb 3 years ago
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This fuckin' horse is worthless....I lost $500 on this piece of shit animal! Please, please send him to the dog food factory soon...my pit bull needs fed! FUCK!
Hunkola 3 years ago
You sound as if you needn't be at a horserace much less ever associated with an animal. Remember this is a public forum; we don't need to hear your ignorance talking.
sushynes 3 years ago
a guy bet 13,000,000 for him to win and was showing every body. I told him to get his mony back but he said i going to have get it all back afteer the race when he wins back and i didn't see him after the race he should kill himself for being a jackass
sassysimba 3 years ago
why would u bet on such a big favourite, what did you think that you could retire with your winnings,lol
drzaiuss27 3 years ago
poop
BigBrown2301 3 years ago
kent desormeaux,,,,dead last,,give me a break,this horse was a total lock,,,i lost my ass,,,,wide the whole race,,ran into horses out of the post,,held him too long,,let the horse run,,,,if any trainer gives desormeaux another possible triple crown winner in the belmont he should go see a shrink
nastylefthook1 3 years ago
Big Brown should be called Big Turd!
jackherbon 3 years ago
Kent Desormeaux has struck again(1998-Real Quiet). Let's all hope they finally ban the most crooked jockey in racing, KENT DESORMEAUX!!
Sherlock1217 3 years ago
big brown=richard dutrow=2 big dickheads
yomamadontdanz 3 years ago
How about they glue your eyes and mouth shut?
RegoLeo 3 years ago
I agree, Dutrow comparing BB to Secretariat is not even logical and telling another competitor his horse is a pile of shit is not classy at all. For the horse Big brown, sorry to see BB lose, but overall I am glad just do to the fact Dutrow is in the barn now eating crow.
majesticbob2007 3 years ago
Have some compassion people,as with humans, horses have a bad days too,all this glue talk is sick.
noaanhc 3 years ago
Today's horses, like today's men, are pussies. Maybe the answer is to make the Belmont 1 1/8 miles so we can have a modern triple crown winner. They've dumbed down everything else to be accomodating.
manwithoutaroom 3 years ago
finally , a man with insight , I love it!!!! "its too hard to be secretariat" waaaaa, waaaa why's it got to be so hard to be great "its not fair " dumbing it down is the best thing ie heard all day! I say make it a sprint sing new york new york , give trophy to who the "kids" and "coeds" along the rail want to win , then eeryone's happy. yippppeeeeeee... we got a triple crown nanananaa naaa naaaa....
BIGRED224FOREVER 3 years ago
He is glue now.
billoreallys 3 years ago
HAHAAAHAHHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAH
GLUE ASS
ilovemyneons 3 years ago
i tell you once again this game is amazing. I really feel bad that this wonderful horse has an egg on his face and the one person i blame more than anyone is richard dutrow. Jockeys are allowed to have confidence in there horses cause they ride them but bottom line when a trainer says the test of the champion 1 1/2 distance marathon is a FORGONE CONCLUSION. You almost see the man upstairs god himself making him EAT HIS WORDS. What a loser and for that not the horse im glad he didn't win
csfjklsafj 3 years ago
ya second comment!
uscpacker 3 years ago