In Defense of WWII: Part 5 of 5

[sirthor00]

Its a great relief to me to come across this kind of inquiry and discussion, as I feel so surrounded by liberal intentions at the University level of indoctrination and revisionism. I have had professors unabashedly promote ideas such as those in Buchanan's book, and those who want America destroyed from within. I don't speak from conspiracy theory opinions, I have literally had debates with these professors who are obsessed with the blame and shame America campaign, and I fear for America.

[wanker4761]

That line about Lincoln freeing the slaves is bollocks. He only freed them in the rebel south. Not in the north. As his Sec of State, whose name escapes me pointed out: He freed them where he couldn't free them and didn't where he could.

[AngrySkeptic]

@wanker4761

You couldn't be any more wrong.

Lincoln was concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation would be seen as a temporary war measure and so actively campaigned for the 13th amendment. It was passed by both the House and Senate before his assassination.

Stop reading neo-confederate piffle.

[wanker4761]

@AngrySkeptic I've read it in too many well footnoted books and heard it in several lectures from lettered people to believe you over them. More importantly, what's a "piffle"?

[AngrySkeptic]

@wanker4761

Piffle is an English word meaning nonsense.

Go look at the ratification history of the 13th amendment, what I posted is a simple historical fact.

[wanker4761]

@AngrySkeptic Let's see now. When were the slaves freed? That would be when the 13th Amendment was ratified right? That was Dec 6, '65. Lincoln was shot in April '65. So he never freed a single slave except where he couldn't free them. More importantly, he effectively ended the right of secession which ruined the country. And ignored habeas corpus by illegally imprisoning thousands of Northerners. Suggest you lose the Church of Lincoln piffle. Good word, I must use it more often.

[AngrySkeptic]

@wanker4761

The 13th amendment was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864 and passed by the House on January 31, 1865, and adopted on December 6, 1865.

You are Canadian, so I understand you don't have a full grounding in the Constitutional Amendment process. Lincoln and the Radical Republicans were aware that the Emancipation Proclamation would have to be followed by an amendment. Which it was and that amendment was passed out of the Congress before Lincoln's assassination.

[AngrySkeptic]

@wanker4761

A number of seceded states were already under federal occupation and slaves there were freed.

As for Habeas Corpus, it may be suspended in areas under active rebellion by an act of congress.Article I, Section 9 of the US constitution: "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

[4teepee]

This program is nonsense with a hidden agenda. The U.S. did not enter World War II to do good. The world does not work that way. America entered the war because the elite felt its interests threatened and after the country was attacked, not before. In Iraq, U.S. imperialism supported Saddam until it felt him a threat to its interests in that oil-rich part of the world.

[RichardAndewSwayne]

Hitler: Everything he set out to destory, he only made stronger.

Stalin: The greatest enemy of the Soviet People.

FDR: He did alot of good, but he could have done much more.

Churchill: The greatest man with the greatest defects.

[EricDavidFloyd]

What did Hitchens say about FDR? Couldn't understand it. Thanks for this video.

[AngrySkeptic]

@EricDavidFloyd

First class temperament.

[JoeFraze]

The way they debate the "alliance with Stalin" dilemma is ridiculous. They all miss the point completely - it was the USSR and Stalin who beat Hitler ! And saved our asses ! Not the other way around.

[qwertypoiu4321]

Wow, what warmongering idiots.

[TheDethBringer666]

Stalin was the gravedigger of communism, he ruined its name.

[MrMike3865]

Great videos thanks for posting, hope to see more of these discussions.

[willforrhall]

"Fascism means war" Isnt fascism when the corporations take control of a country, when the military industrial complex take control. Leading to perpetual wars.

[Mike32587]

@willforrhall Fascism can be described as "hypernationalism" in which all private citizens and corporations are above all made to service and are obedient to the state. The economics of fascism take effect when state policy and corporate policy are aligned. Companies are still privately owned, unlike Stalin's brand of communism, but model their structure and production capacity in order to service the state.

[RazorCell7]

4:02 scared me for a second

it was actually funny

[Hackett35]

Firm but Fair, very funny.

[MicheasTheMighty]

Slobodan Miloshevich was national socialist?

[SuperBosanac]

Yes, fascist scum and a friend of Saddam, but they're both dead now I am glad to say.

[prrolg]

Sadaam was more like Stalin not like Hitler.

[soapfiction]

I disagree. He had the insanity that Hitler had, and was far less rational than Stalin. Saddam had more in common with Hitler than most people think.

[prrolg]

Hitler had greater loyalty that Saadam did not have. Stalin ruled with fear alone just like Saadam

[blahblahhuh1]

Hitler had loyalty??

Need I say 'Barbarossa'?

[TBlake34]

It's possible they had personality traits in common (and unsurprisingly, the Baath party actually had its roots a group of Nazi allies during WWII), but Saddam didn't REMOTELY have the power Hitler weilded. Saddam was a neutered psychopath, Hitler had an awesome war machine.

Would Hussein have killed and murdered in numbers like Stalin and Hitler if he could? I'm glad that was never close to being answered.

[MONTYB1229]

Peter Robinson did a responsible job. The discussion would have been infinitely better served by the two actual authors getting to speak. They kind of glossed over 100 million deaths due to the appeasement of Stalin, and the abysmal statesmanship of Churchill as far back as W.W.I.

[TBlake34]

I would argue with the assessment that Stalin was "appeased." That implies that there was something else that could have been done.

There was no will to continue fighting after Japan and Germany fell nor was there reason to believe that the allied forces could really defeat Stalin. Remember, we spent our 2 nukes and Stalin had a massive army ready to take Germany. As bad as the USSR was they could have taken even more territory in a conflict.

That truce was the best of the bad options.

[Danni4815162342]

Thanks for posting.

I enjoyed watching, although I found it a some what one sided debate.

This video calls itself (In Defence of WWII) so fair enough, I'll shut up, its not a debate.

But maybe it should have be called (In Defence of our currently taught version by schools collages universities and the media of the history of WWII).

But I guess that would be way too long a title.

If I was asked to give one sentence on this discussion, it would be "History is always written by the victors"

[soapfiction]

Very glad I got to see these videos. 5/5.

[greyopposite]

What is the Hitchens line about Stalin? Great what of communism? English is not my first language and don't quite catch what he says.

[AngrySkeptic]

I believe he says that Stalin is the "gravedigger of Communism."

[therealaj123]

@AngrySkeptic Kinda sad. Old Trotskyite myths about Stalin having betrayed Lenin.

[NiggaJimBob]

"Firm but fair." You see, a part of Hitchens, his Jewish blood, causes him to be sympathetic towards Soviet Russia - and emotionally hostile and irreconcilable towards the Third Reich.

[jamesjohnking]

Shut up you nigga.

[AllenbysEyes]

Thank you for posting. I very much enjoyed watching this.

[Kublai2000]

I think casting Hitler and Stalin as abnormally evil personalities is oversimplification. Such personalities are not uncommon and surface all the time in our society in vein of serial killers, pedophiles etc. Moreover, if we convince ourselves that those were extraordinary times where there was great evil we become vulnerable allowing deranged men to come to power as well as rob ourselves of the courage to fight them at the same time.

[ktgreenway]

This video has two of the best indicators of quality:

A 5-star rating.

Comments written in proper English, without personal attacks.

Thanks for posting!

[YouT00ber]

Thanks for posting all 5 videos.

I wonder why MSNBC & other media keep hiring Pat Buchanan as their "conservative" pundit. Actually, I don't wonder, but they should stop it.

[RYuTu2000]

Good Video Set, good comment by DrCruel.

[damo2353]

No-one else seems to support you but I suspect you are making a fair point.

[DrCruel]

Torbon has a valid point. There's little to distinguish between German national socialists and Russian international socialists of the period. The big ideological difference seems to be that German Nazis robbed and massacred people based on their race, whereas Russian Bolsheviks robbed and massacred people based on their vocation.

We eventually chose Russian Leftists over German Leftists because of circumstances. Indeed, the Axis eventually had to force war on us.

[hplexicon]

Great posts. Thank you.

[oneearth22222]

I've enjoyed watching this discussion. Thanks for posting!

[AngrySkeptic]

My pleasure.

I'm a proud member of the Churchill "cult".

[KierenMan]

Read Mein Kampf Torbon.

[aardvarkbilly]

Thanks for posting this.