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  • poor stage presence

  • it needs to put some soul in it

  • @richiitextex

    a robot has no soul

  • a robot still cant play john coltranes solo.

  • Now make that can actually swing, and not play it square.

  • It's like analog midi.

  • @forsythdaniel Not even analog . electromechanical MIDI , haha :D

  • Bah, this is by no means the first robot egineered to play Jazz badly.

    The various models of MIT's Kenny program played it both earlier and worse.

    Their first fully functioning prototype was Kenny G, after the failures of Kenny's A through F.

  • This proves that it all comes down to flesh and bones....

  • Myth has fallen ,trane was nothin' but a robot!

  • Coltrane was a jerk

  • dude it's a machine, don't see it from music context. see it from engineering context

  • 技術的には本当にすばらしい成果です。音楽性の再現の面で評価が­あまり良くないようですが、私の想像ですが、恐らくシーケンサー­をMIDIでコントロールしているのだと思いますが、コルトレー­ンのコピー譜をそのまま音符の長さも変えずに入力したのではない­かと思います。音符の長さを微調整(プロのMIDI音源作成はみ­んなそうしてます)するだけでずいぶんと実際の演奏に雰囲気が似­てきます。音楽解析ソフトを使って実際の音符の長さを数値でとっ­て入力してみては如何でしょうか。

  • Domo oregato Mr. Roboto

  • Regardless of whether its more about the music or the engineering it is still a great homage to the master and a lovely, very elaborate display of our ability to manipulate our environment.

  • Those pesky Japanese, always making shit that is only used so people say "wow".

  • ugh..sounds like a fucking midi...

  • Boss.

  • Whitest. Giant Steps. Ever.

  • @scottyboy1928 I'm white, but I laughed my ass off at your comment.;-)

  • @scottyboy1928 Yellowist. Giant Steps. Ever.

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  • very sloppy...i heard better by a 6th grader...

    btw its not a shot against trane...hes the best

  • someone programmed a robot to play pentatonics.

    this is not a shot at Coltrane or the robot... im transcribing Giant Steps as we speak. i guess you can call it jealously that someone just goes click click and this thing plays and i gotta slave for an hour for just six bars. once again not a shot at the robot or Trane. I think they're both brilliant ... although Trane more than the robot

  • @flippenpinoi its kind of naive to think that all it took was for someone to go "click click" on a computer and out popped a robot that could play Coltrane... Not a shot at you, but just you could probably transcribe Giant Steps in a few days, but I'm sure it took a team, at least a year to make this robot.

  • @CypheredSoul ok maybe click click was a little harsh. and yes im sure it took a team and at least a year to make the program. but my point is trane's solo was very methodical and almost mathematic and for the most part theres a lot of running eight note lines. and I THINK it is a lot easier to quantize a solo with running eight note lines than lets say a solo from Monk or Rollins who often played on the e's and a's of a 16th note pattern. once again this is not a shot at the engineers or trane

  • Question: Is this a robot designed specifically to play sax? (I notice it has more fingers than a human player, but it's playing on a human sax.) Or is it a robot that could do other things given the proper training?

  • @metaphorce42 dude, the fingers cant move between different keys. and there r more than 10 keys, so of course the robot will need more fingers

  • hey robot, want a gig?

  • I am the builder of this robot. Please see also "tAnother "Giant Steps" by the other Sax Robot ".

  • I get it, no matter how much one can marvel about "the engineering"- 'The point", the machine fucks up one note on the ii-V -I to Bmaj @ 0:50, which proves on point - Humans are not machines, it's machines that are an attempt @ "Artificial Life"-it's OK as an experiment, but it's still an attempt @ 'Musical experiment" so I feel free to criticize the 'musical ' component of it -Like, I love Pat Metheny, but his "solenoids band" will never sound like the Life found in PMG, PM Trio, etc...

  • @egyptianminor I don't think that the machine did make a mistake there.

  • @srleroux I beg to differ. there's a note in that major seventh arpeggio that is not diatonic to those chord changes,it goes chromatic -'Trane's solo is a textbook case of diatonic playing on the master take of Giant Steps. Having said that, it might have been a problem with the intonation on that particular note, w/ the device and not with the program itself, also the mistake I mentioned is very quick and kinda negligible- doesn't compromise that ii/V, but compare it to Coltrane's version.Peace

  • Sloppy sax playing

  • engineering question for the builders; is the airflow pulsed by the reed or upstream of the instrument, and is it a continuous feed or is there a relay-controlled valve to control the stops? I can't see it well enough to see the moment-arm of the 'fingers'; how long did you have to fiddle with the return mechanism of the solenoids and what did you use?

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  • amazing! whoever made this should put their engineering abilities to something useful, like how to lower gas prices.

  • That-is-so-killing-man.

    Very cool from a robotics perspective (jazz robots?) but aside from the whole "soul" thing, the transcription on which this is based is quite wrong in several places

  • you blow it and let the robot do the fingers

  • I don't see the point

  • Come on guys obviously this 'bot can't compare to the 'Trane. Thats not the point of video- the point is that they can engineer a fuckin' robot to play giant steps.

  • If you could oil it up good with some heroin, chitlins, and smoke...that would be a start.

  • The only thing that robots can't recreate is SOUL.

  • A robot's musical playing isn't exactly where one should seek heart and soul. Just appreciate the skill of the person that built the damn thing.

  • STFU ITS A ROBOT

  • sounds really bad. people just dont get that you need to have soul to play something beautiful like this. this robot is just processing instructions, not actually playing from within.

  • People still don't get that this isn't about the music, it's about the engineering.

  • @deadithink

    What people? Most people I know can spot the difference between maths and emotions.....it's nae that subtle a contrast. People are cleverer than you think.

  • @deadithink If it's not about the music then why dont they have it tap on something other than a saxophone...?

  • @drummerman558 Why didn't they send astronauts to Mars instead of the moon?

  • Not quite the same as Coltrane is it? Music is more than just a string of notes played in a mechanical way. It's about the heart and soul of the musician.

  • Good for a laugh, anyway. Odd how the notes might all be correct, and yet it sounds like a high school student practicing. And still these are the exact same notes that flowed like a magical living spring from out the man's horn, the musician of course being John Coltrane. Which only goes to show that you can't replace a good man with a machine.

  • sweet.

  • I don't understand why people dislike this.

    This is amazing. Obviously, it doesn't have the niches of a human player, but in terms of robotics, this is incredible.

  • It has the notes but it doesnt have the heart. Still very impressive

  • It's note for note!! The only thing it can't capture are the subtle lip/mouth movements of a human mouth.

  • Sounds like nearly every artist on the radio and every popular artist... emotionless.

  • Is that John Coltrane he looks different, I am partially blind though

  • Pa śwagier jaka franca! Chce mi wejść na tego!

  • By way of robotics, this is amazing. The only thing it is missing is human inflection. But its a robot. You can't expect feel from it. But its no doubt pretty cool.

  • Lacks emotion.

  • @893165009 SHHH!! You're gonna hurt his feelings!

  • Music is created in real time--the musician is playing off of the mistakes, twists and turns as they happen, playing off the smells, playing the temperature, playing the room. This is as musical as a calculator.

  • Combined with the Band-in-a-box "soloist" feature, you could put this thing on every stage replacing the band's saxophone player!! :D

  • No soul whatsoever

  • LOL vibrato fail at the end!

  • @Johnga2004 Given the exact same strength, the only difference between two notes would be "emotion", and that is *not* something that can be detected by *other people* (let alone machines) through sound alone. You need context for that.

    Example: You can get huge amounts of emotion from a recording, but does the cd player have "soul"? No. It merely breaks down every auditory parameter of the piece and reproduced it for your ears.

  • dudes need to check their transcription again.

  • lol lol lol lol lol that is so odd and funny

  • You can say whatever you want; evidently, you've never played an instrument long enough to see the moment when you actually play the music beyond the physics of the instrument...

    Take the piano, for example. A same note played with the same strenght can sound way different if different feelings are being put into it...

    My guess is some people will never understand this, and will keep trying to make things like this one, in the vid.

  • its like a mad bus trying to catch me

  • The thing is that when people talk about soul/feeling in music when comparing to a robot, it's really just that a musician is implementing a few extra subtle parameters that haven't yet been programmed into robots. Everything can be broken down into parameters. There's scientific theory and protocol even in the ways the molecules react in our brains - i.e. if we are applying certain subtle techniques in music, I believe it's simply because we programmed those things into ourselves. :)

  • @Rich7714 Agreed. 

  • Star Trek next generation. I really don't get off on robots playing jazz, or music like that. What's the difference between a clone or a naturally born unit?

  • Robots like this are intriguing because, if a keyboardist wanted to learn sax, he could just hook up his keyboard to this machine and get straight to working on his embouchure instead of learning all his keys and fingerings all over again. Or, even better, hook it up to an isomorphic keyboard and not have to worry about keys at all. Google "wicki-hayden keyboard".

  • wow

  • never heard Data do this -

  • For fucks sake every one it's a robot playing the sax! That's awesome. Of course it doesn't play like Coltrane. But this is still neat. Stop being joyless turds!

  • It has no soul!!!!

    *beep boop, be bop.*

  • Its cool, but it has no feeling in the music and it is more amazing to see a real person do this cuz robots dont mess up

  • it sounds too robotic lol

  • It can blow, but it ain't got the heart and soul that made John Coltrane a genius.

  • @IndependantW no it just lacks the ability to crescendo and accent.

  • @IndependantW I think it's more of a embouchure thing, but okay.

  • Nice! this is a great video. i used it to demonstrate what playing without dynamics, style and feeling sounds like to my students.

  • Damn. I've tried for almost a YEAR to do this solo, but after failing I don't know how many times, a robot gets it! Holy sh*t that's impressive! One Problem though, I bet that this machine can only play one song. Oh well. Can't wait to more submissions!

  • WOHOHOHO. Awesome!!

  • 1337 H4XORZ

  • you can say, "It's just a machine, it's incapable of real music." But aren't we're really just machines made from biological material?

  • Les robots sont déjà là. Incroyable ce que l'intelligence artificielle peut faire! Ouff

  • Lighten up people. It has more to do with the engineering that went into this project than it has to do with saying a robot could play jazz better than a human.

  • Congrats.  Good work.

  • But can it play the vuvuzela?

  • cool machine but lame music. theres no emotion, haha its robotic.

  • amazing engineering feat.. but not human.. Hats off

  • DAMNIT!!! All the Jazz Musicians are out of a job now! :(

  • @ericfontainejazz haha they've been out of jobs for many years

  • @grotonhomie HAHA so true! being one myself ....

  • this is painful.

  • It is great music but not having a guy behind the sax kind of kills the jazzy feel

    Yet this really does show what they can do with modern technology nowadays

  • the more we move towards robotic/computer innovation with regard to music, the further we move away from music. Technology offers a lot of advantages, but it should be kept separate from this type of musical application. As far as i am concerned, this is an abomination.

  • this feels kinda sick..

  • no comment

  • so good.

  • we need jhon connor!

  • jesus christ!!!... man!!! who the hell... really play.... mmm i dont know what think about this.... its so weird!!!!

  • sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • This proves that individual human expression is valuable and inimitable. Although every note played by the robot is spot-on exactly what Coltrane played, there's absolutely no feeling in it, and it's just sad to hear.

  • @poojaloobaCow true sooo true 

  • yea sounds like a robot. no soul whatsoever. but damn robots can do something like this kudos to whoever made this thing

  • lol

  • this is wrong on so many levels..

  • @arterialshadow so true

  • that robot makes the sax sound like a friggen accordion

  • that robot makes the sax sound like a friggen accordion 

  • robots take the fun out of everything, it even makes showing up a black dude boring

    -note: no offense to all african-american people out there, and none to Coltrane either

  • :/ eh... it's just a programmed robot...

  • art taylor-bot in progress

  • no sense

  • without passion!!!!

  • The Trumpet-nator!!!!!

  • shouldn't the invention of the programmable synthesizer have spared us from facing this abomination?

  • sounds midi!

  • Favorite robot of all time

  • I have heard youhg sax players who sound kind of like this???

  • Has this been used to test various saxophones against one another in a double-blind study? It should be. Perhaps we can lay to rest whether the more expensive French horns are worth it.

  • @elhaf But sound isn't everything. Some saxophones are just more comfortabe to play, or it's easier to have a good sound.

  • this is wut im scared of o.o

  • Hahaha, not even a robot can even perfect John's already being perfect. :)

  • I hope this thing never finds John Connor.

  • all the notes, no jazz!

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  • How long until the McCoy Tyner-bot joins this thing?

  • but that's is coltrane solo....

  • Very cool...I was half expecting the robot to start smoking and blow up half way through. Coltrane's is better though, obviously.

  • it's funny, computers will even make real instruments sound like MIDI

  • @jazzpsalti MIDI horns sound like crap

    everything else can sound ok at least

  • Sounds like Coltrane on crack

  • it just goes. could you imagine trying to comp along to this?!? weird.

  • @trigomusic Imagine comping to John Coltrane... this is the exact transcription of his solo.

  • Very cool. Has an odd sound, but I bet a LOT of man-hours went into this.

  • Amazing stuff. It seems like the air flow is constant; any chance of getting the computer to emulate some nuance of breath control?

  • nobody ever intended to compare this to coltrane, you pretentious cunts. some pretty impressive engineering went into this robot and that's why this video has half a million views. calm down. especially you, mesmer54.

  • anybody who isn't impressed by this is a stupid jazz nerd who probably can't play anyway--a bunch of romantic charlatans if i've ever seen them. your shitty transcription of giant steps is more offensive than a robots version any day.

  • @TimmyGuido Totally agreed!

  • This is pure shit

  • this isnt really impressive musically, but as for robotics this is pretty awesome

  • this is disrepect to coltrane right here!

  • It has no soul, no groove, this is a waste of time and energy

  • this is so fucking stupid get rid of this shit

  • How can so many people be unimpressed by this? its a robot playing Giant Steps! thats pretty cool. Who gives a shit if theres a couple of wrong notes or it doesn't sound as good as Coltrane. of coarse it doesn't. Its a robot, how can u expect it to play it with expression? The fact that its a robot playing giant steps is impressive in itself.

  • @ICEMAN6282

    not really. you just program when the switches or buttons press down and the sounds come out of the tenor. robots have so much more ability then this

  • This robot is an amazing accomplishment, but God what awful noise! It really lacks the essential human touch

  • Can you use it for sex?

  • @loniousmonk I have a mechanised one eye piccolo for sex

  • @dropfan195

    I'm not going to whine but

    Really man.... Really?

    I've met babies less ignorant than you

  • wrong note on the downward arpeggio pattern @ 0: 51?

  • Wrong Notes

  • HA! try harder, mr. roboto... there are a 1000 players out there who play the sh** more mechanical than you... sayonara to you, man!

  • WWHHHYYYYYYYYYY....???????????­

  • wtf is this? why? they could spend as much time learning as they did programming

  • cant aggree more.. ;)

  • Because its implications are greater than a robot playing a solo. Is that hard to understand?

  • yo im a musician and I can really appreciate the time and effort that was put into a project like this...did I expect it to sound like Coltrane? No! but nevertheless this was still cool....good work fellas keep it up!!!

  • @regilmore89 hummm... Why would you appreciate this as a musician? Its a machine. Playing an instrument. The only use for this i could see is commercial. Which means that you as a musician should be upset.

  • This is a white person's experiment on trying to figure out what a soul is...nice try whitey! ;)

  • @aeroshock1 the robot is japanese not a honkey, actually i think its not too bad on the faster stuff, rubato will be hard for a robot, it looks it like it will be a while before robots take over,

  • Just cuz you cant play doesnt mean you gotta be a bitch

  • Now i want a Tommy flanagan robot to fuck up the piano solo !!!

  • Yeah! You guys are all right! Fuck this robot and whoever built it! I could build a better jazz-playing robot in my sleep!

  • sounds empty after a while

    not really Jazz, unless, , sad empty robots have soul or something...

  • no soul. sounds like a white person is playing it.

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  • @dropfan195

    How did this get 4 thumbs down? I'm white and that cracked me up.

  • @dropfan195

    No, sounds like a white person programmed a robot to play it.

  • @dropfan195 haha soo true

  • The robot needs to work on his tone....lol

  • Plays better than a lot of people I know.