The Beatles - Ringo Starr using a Double Kick pedal. Isolated track! [HQ]

[1969DayTripper]

you can do that on single bass

[nigollllll]

I dont know what you mean.Back then drummers used 2 bass drums and 2 pedels.

We all did.Its all we had.

[thundernut]

I am a drummer and I hardly think that Ringo played a double bass on this recording.Nowhere does it say in either The Beatles Recording Sessions or Recording the Beatles ,that Ringo used a double bass to play a double bass pattern ,however there were always plenty of drum overdubs.

[thundernut]

OK.The first commercially available double bass drum pedal for rock was the Zalmer Twin about 1973 .This could be a bass drum played with mallets by Paul McCartney on the track. If you listen to Kreen Akrore , Paul McCartneys drum solo from McCartney ,not only is the drum sound very similar ,but the drum patterns are very similar.

[plangentmusic]

Not so sure. Sounds like a floor tom.

[MCA828]

Ringo used a 2 BASS DRUMMS for this track,.like Ginger baker or Krupa.

Ringo: an excelent drummer!!!

[johnfright]

@MCA828 It's Paul on floor tom.

[nickdudman82]

its probably just a muffled floor tom and pair of mallets. rings didnt use a double kick pedal.

[DonkeyBoy2295]

Bass drum in the solo in I saw her standing there the crowd goes nuts. That's great drumming. Also Bonham who is a god had a double bass drum kit for a very short period because plant and page took it away from him and hid it because he was amazing with a single pedal and it sounded so loud and booby it wouldn't be good.

[DonkeyBoy2295]

First of all there was no such things as a double bass drum pedal in the late sixties. While they played this song Paul laid on the floor and hit a dampened floor time to get the double bass sound. A even if it was double bass it would of been two bass drum pedals with two single pedals. Ringo is my favorite drummer and one of the most if not the most influential rock drummers to ever live. He created rock drumming. Watch how hard he hits in the Washington coliseum show in '64 and the fast bas

[Ishi680]

@DonkeyBoy2295 If there was any song that would convince me that Paul was playing the floor tom at the same time Ringo is drumming, that would be the ending of Strawberry Feilds Forever but not on this one because, there was a very tight groove, very tight sync between the bass drum and the rest of the drums and its not easy for 2 people to synchronize it in this manner. Listen to the isolated drum track on Hey Bulldog. Ringo's bass drum was doing a time signature close to this.

[nigollllll]

Ginger Baker used 2 Ludwig speed king pedels

Let it go.

They werent made yet.

[Seltaebful]

:motherofgod: ringo es muy rápido con los pedales de la batería

[Thunderbolt505T]

double bass drum for sre

[barrilitomusic]

It's not a double bass drum. Paul is playing with him at the same throughout the whole song by playing a damped down floor tom.

[buzonperiodista]

I'm a drummer myself, and if you listen carefully at 0:06 - 0:07, you can hear two quavels on the bass drum that are deeply tangled within the rythm, that makes it almost impossible to have another person kicking the bass drum to have such a tight groove. That coordination is very, very unlikely. Ringo, having a go at two bass drums for the ending section is more likely, bearing in mind that double bass drum around 67' was the latest craze, and Ringo was an open minded drummer!

[Ishi680]

@buzonperiodista I agree with you. Even getting to do an bass drum overdub and have it coordinated with the rest of the drumming is unlikely, suggesting they were all on the same track but the bass drum seems a bit superimposed here making the others think it was overdubbed. Ringo can be very fast with one foot though and in doing straight notes. Listen to John Lennon's "I Found Out", Ringo drummed there and also his song called "Drumming is my Madness".

[LordoftheJimmy]

It sounds like there are two bass drums sometimes, and I don't mean two separate kick drums be hit at the same time, I'm talking about someone overdubbing a double bass drum. It doesn't sound like something Ringo would normally play.

He could have used two bass drums if John or somebody wanted it to sound like Ginger Baker or Keith Moon or whatnot. But mostly likely, this is an overdub.

[nigollllll]

Ive seen Bonham in concert.He had One bass drum

When he did have two bass drums for a short time it was with two pedals.

everybody back then had or at lest tried using two bass drums.

and it was always with TWO PEDALS.

[LBrilliante]

First double drum pedal in rock would probably be sometime later I know they said that Bonham wanted to use two kick drums but I think Keith Moon would be the first famous rock guy who did that. Ringo takes a lot of heat. He was good not particularly ambitious or excellent but solid with some nice moves. Pop music would not have rewarded much different and by choosing his battles carefully Ringo managed to shine so many times!

[nigollllll]

I dont know how old you are but show me one picture with someone using a double pedal back then.

i worked at sam ash in the drum dept in 1970.There was no double pedels.

what your hearing is an over dub.someone playing on a bass drum with sticks or what ever.

It was a time went people started breaking rules.Go break some...

[RuberHammer]

@nigollllll Well.. It's known that Bonham from Led Zeppelin used a double pedal in the late 60s.

[jeffkahl]

@RuberHammer actually Bonzo used two bass drums for a total of two gigs on a tour with The Vanilla Fudge but his speed otherwise was from having a great pedal technique

[markdrums1]

@RuberHammer Lol....Bonham was always 1 foot!!! deadliest foot in Rock and Roll

[Sid1Vicious84]

@RuberHammer And before him, Ginger Baker of course!!!

[61lcp]

@nigollllll uh.....two words to refute that: GINGER BAKER

[SOCALLEDDESTINY]

@nigollllll probably no double pedals but probably 2 kick drums.ginger baker .....keith moon......come on now.

[Ishi680]

This is the very same drum track I heard on the Anthology version of this song. I think the track that was on the Anthology was the same as the released version, only that the released version had orchestra, extra lead guitar and animal sounds overdubbs. The Anthology version did have the same double bass pedal sounds and there was even a very fast drum roll at the end after the outro, after they said "good morning" at the very end, suggesting that the bass drum was on the same track.

[kylechinault1]

Defineately not double pedal. Drums are multi-tracked.

[nigollllll]

if I remember they didnt have double pedels back then

[Ishi680]

@nigollllll I do believe, double pedals existed in 1967 when this song was recorded.

[LBrilliante]

@Ishi680 exactly.. Ringo didn't play like that. Most fancy drum effects on Beatles records are the result of overdubs and double tracked drums. People have to remember that in Ringo's position..he had to get his work done on the initial basic track which was governed by Lennon & McCartney who knew how they wanted the drums to be and the SOUND METER which limits how much drumming the producer/engineer want to hear. So Ringo had to dial it down usually and keep it straight and simple.

[Ishi680]

@LBrilliante No, I disagree with you. I could tell you which songs of the Beatles have overdubbed drums or not, one of which is Strawberry Fields that has an overdubbed tom part, and many of the exiting stuff I heard on Ringo's drumming was NOT overdubbed but he made unique fills that he might never do again. Paul was competitive but the drumming on Let it Be was all Ringo. For a drummer like me, Paul's drumming is amateurish compared to Ringo. Paul's high hats sounded faint.

[LBrilliante]

@Ishi680 The drumming on Let It Be is all Ringo though I've read that the KER THUMPAH THUMP fills during the last verse were overdubbed by Paul on Jan 4 1970. No other version of Let It Be I've heard has Ringo doing anything but the straight beat during that verse and it seems to have been a sore point between McCartney and Ringo that McCartney would request of him specific fills that Ringo felt were unecessary a al Back in the USSR. So did Ringo do the fill on Jan 4 or not?

[Ishi680]

@LBrilliante On the album and single version, I have heard Ringo do the fills on the last verse. Even on the live version, Ringo did those fills. As a drummer myself the characteristic of the fills don't resemble Paul at all and I have never read anything about Paul doing drum overdubs for Let it Be. There is a supporting tom overdub on the last verse of Let it Be, single version but they are NOT fills /watch?v=v1SbuZcTZdM ,listen carefully around 2:43 on that video, you can hear it.

[LBrilliante]

@Ishi680 The link you pointed me to is the single version... the single is from the same master as the album version and both mixes occured after the Jan 3 - 4 1970 session where the overdubs of strings, horns, and vocals were done. I point you to this link found on the page you sent me to which contains the original take 27 of Let It Be before the Apr 30 1969 solo overdub. Also consider the Let It Be.. Naked version AND the Anthology 3 version.. no such fills on the third verse.

[Ishi680]

@LBrilliante And about Back in the USSR, I believe Paul and maybe with the help of the others did the drumming there without Ringo at all because Ringo had left the group at that point and if you compare the fills on Back in the USSR to the Ringo fills, they simply lack the taste and feel of the genuine Ringo stuff. Another example of Paul's drumming is Maybe I'm Amazed, to a trained drummer's ear, that song wasn't professionally drummed. McCartney was sloppy on doing fills.

[LBrilliante]

@nigollllll Even if they did.. probably some jazz guy would be using them. This sort of thumpah thump is distinctly a McCartney thing. He does the same sort of thing on the last verse of Let It Be.. and it sounds a lot like the kind of drumming he did on Back In The USSR and Band on the Run. Ringo isn't given credit for the tasty and subtle stuff he did. Some of his best work is Help & Rubber Soul with some really nice stuff on the rooftop stuff from Let It Be

[LBrilliante]

@LBrilliante i mean by the way that Ringo drums on Let It Be but McCartney added an overdub fill on Jan 4 1970

[Ishi680]

@LBrilliante Nope, Ringo did those fills on their live performance of Let it Be when Paul was on Piano. Listening to Paul's fills on Maybe I'm amazed, he was kinda sloppy so I don't think that was Paul. Listening to outtakes in the Let It Be Sessions, Ringo does many amazing fills. You could distinguish whether or not a fill is overdubbed if it sounded departed from the main snare drum track.

[Ishi680]

@LBrilliante Actually, I've seen Keith Moon of The Who and Mitch Mitchell of the Jimmy Hendrix Experience use double bass drums in the late 1960's. This song was recorded in 1967 and according to a source I read, this has a double bass drum used to it. The fills on Let it Be are NOT of Paul. Paul was sloppy on doing fills and he doesn't hit the high hats quite strongly with his weak right hand, you can observe Paul's weak high hat sound in the Ballad of John and Yoko.

[Astbruchgefahr]

Its possible that some of the drumming is overdubbed.

[theoneafternineonine]

He could kick the bassdrum mighty fast but not this fast

[pkgannon]

nope, this is wrong. Paul is seen in several photos with Ringo with headphones on playing on the floor tom while Ringo is playing. I guarantee you... ask Ringo, ask Paul, ask the Abbey Road engineers, ask George Martin. Ringo never  had a double bass pedal with the Beatles.

[RuberHammer]

@pkgannon I wish I could ask them, like I wish I could ask who did the ending to Dear Prudence.

[pkgannon]

@RuberHammer Ruber, I think it's pretty well documented that Paul played Drums on Dear Prudence as well as Back in the USSR, Ballad of John and Yoko. Paul, even according to George Martin, was/is a very good drummer.

[LBrilliante]

@RuberHammer The drumming and percussion on Dear Prudence was done by Paul McCartney as this song was also recorded during the two weeks when Ringo had left the White Album sessions. Interesting how the bass and drums on Dear Prudence never seem to sync up.. whereas the first thing you notice about Glass Onion is how tight the rythym section is

[supermd4589]

@RuberHammer Paul did. It's a fact. He did ALL of it.

[1969DayTripper]

Ringo did use double bass