But I'd like to state that the religious harm is caused by the Maccabees, who ultimately disabled the Hellenization of the Jews. If they hadn't succeeded (and they were almost to be crushed) there wouldn't even be Christianity nor Islam and Judaism would be gone as well.
Add in the effects of statism since its birth (between 5000 and 7500 years ago), and we've probably been held back for at least 6000 years, not the 1200 estimated in this video.
A major problem is how the bullshit is deeply entrenched into western society. Jesus and Mohammed respectively may have been great moral teachers for their day, and people should model themselves after their heroes in their hobbies, morality, professions, etc., but because of precedent most today have surpassed them. Did Jesus know of utilitarian ethics or Kant's categorical imperative? Emulating Paul Morphy is Chess is a bad idea because of the advancements made since then in chess, and...
@allibyx Why would Christianity be a good source of morality? "Don't wash your hands, it's silly" "We don't need to take care of the enviroment, Jesus will come before global warming anyway!"
Some scholars make a case that some of the work of Archimedes (palimpsest) being lost is attributed to a slowing, if not halt, to advancements in math and science. Fundamentalists not only retard their own intellectual growth but when mobilized try to retard societies ability to advance in knowledge.
Shane, I'm sure you also recognize that changing history in that respect would change a great many other things. Look at the Mayans and the Aztecs. They had a great understanding of the motions of the stars, but no idea about the various geometries.
Not all knowledge and discovery could be understandably derived from a past other than the one we have now.
@allibyx well that would be a credit with stains. who know we might have been able to figure out how not to pollute. i still think christianity (all religion) is a cancer.
THIS VIDEO IS BULLSHIT! you know it was gods hand that put these ideas into there so called scientific minds! blasphemers!!!! nah just kidding. excellent vid.
Thank you for this Video. I am building our Home School High School we page and the Introduction to World History revolves around the destruction of the Library at Alexandria. I will be embedding this directly onto the page (if that is alright with you?). I will leave a link to the site on your page here.
@shanedk i think they will be. we haven't learned what pollution will do in the long run. i'm not an environmental activist. but it looks dim for us. when they spilled millions of gallons of oil into the gulf and then claimed they cleaned it all up, HA. they really do think we are stupid. i live on the gulf of mexico, and i've seen all kinds of declining species from normal pollution, but the need for oil will destroy the oceans. along with the sky.
@coolhaztech yes i know what light pollution is, im just being a smartass, cause a previous person said the sky would be black if the industrial revolution started sooner, in no way recognizing that it would not have ended the same way it did if it had started sooner and just assuming it would have gone the entire time and history would otherwise be unchanged, so i was being a smartass i know why there is not many stars to see at night in a city
@lardo444 Yeah so good thing that happened right? To asume somthing like you are stating with no evidence is just as dogmatic as religions. Yer dumb...... just sayin
They did not actually follow the scientific method as we know it, in fact the intellectual contributions which allowed such a thing to develop arose in the Middle Ages which you seem to think were so static. If anyone is to blame here, it is the Muslim caliph Al-Ghazali for claiming that science went against the Koran and used his absolute power to end the learning of the Islamic world. I am not saying that religion has never interfered with scientific progress, but I am saying this is skewed.
@bigbear6161 Could you elaborate on how the scientific method arose during the Middle Ages? By whom? Because as far as I know, the Greeks were the first to establish some form of scientific method. Although initially, they believed measurements were solely for artists and craftsmen, famous figures such as Aristotle emphasized the importance of empiricism. I know my three comments were really long, but I would appreciate if you replied :) And also, I agree, this is a bit skewed since (continued)
@bigbear6161 (Damn it, now there's four replies to you). I agree, this video is a bit skewed. Of course, I agree with it on how Christianity influenced and prolonged this shadow on knowledge, and how Christianity was, indeed, a factor on the declination of Rome (And those times), but shanedk should have elaborated a bit more on other topics. That's what I prefer, anyways. Nevertheless, I like how he incorporated history here ;)
You're also forgetting that the collapse of the Roman Empire had a lot to do with the decline of learning. The Christians were one of the few literate people in the Early Middle Ages. (There is a discrepancy in this video: you claim that the Muslims somehow saved scrolls from a library that was burned 300 years before their time. How is that possible?) And Greek philosophy and mathematics was not science as we know it, i.e. the empirical method. They only had thought experiments. (*continued*)
@bigbear6161 Hi there :). I just wanted to clarify some things with your statements. You should replace Christians with ''the clergy in the monasteries'' since no normal Christians could read or write. In addition, the Roman Empire collapsed (not really because of learning) but from other factors as well. Not to mention that the Roman Empire was split into two, there were also economic troubles, and military troubles (as there were not enough land for all of the soldiers) continued...
@bigbear6161 What I mean by the military troubles is that, they promised their soldiers land to farm when they retire. Obviously, there is only so much land (so you can see that troubles). Another question. The video said that Muslims invaded and took hold of Alexandria in 642 AD. Why are you suggesting that the Muslims appeared 300 years after that? Are you implying that Muslims first ''appeared'' (for the lack of a better term) in around 900-1000 AD? (I'm really confused about that).
Now, I understand the point that you are trying to make here, but you're overlooking quite a bit of stuff. Now, the progress of non-Greek and Roman civilizations is handwaved away by the fact that none of them had comparable Greek philosophy-- but even accepting that, there are some problems with this. One is that the Library of Alexandria would have already been destroyed at least once; if it had been rebuilt before Hypatia's time, many ancient books were probably already lost. (*continued*)
Also, "why don't we know more" Maybe you should look into the use of fluoride in water and in toothpaste. Hitler used fluoride to dumb down the concentration camp prisoners. Our government uses it to dumb us down. (fluoridealert [dot] org) Or maybe you should address the fact that alcohol consumption stunts and prohibits brain development, or the fact that smoking kills brian cells, or the chem-trails in the sky, or the drugs, toxins, and hormones in the food we eat. You are so naive.
But obviously, thanks you to your stunningly accurate research in your video, it must be because of one's personal views that is the reason we are so dumb... I wonder if this lack of knowledge applies to you too? Instead of getting so mad and offensive (which by the way is a defense mechanism, which in this case occurs when your own personal view is challenged and you aren't quite smart enough to accept anything other than your own "lack" of knowledge) do some research.
I read from Lloyd DeMause that the Psycho-history explanation for why we had the Renaissance was because of the end of swaddling in child-rearing practices.
Is that plausible?
I asked Lord T Hawkeye about this video, and he said that he's seen this video, and that it was also true that the ruling Christians (at least during that time) were really good at child abuse.
@vspqbd There may be. It's known that movement in early infancy has a lot to do with neural development, especially in coordination between the two hemispheres of the brain. It makes sense that restricting that movement might inhibit neural development.
I was wondering what your sources on the issue of Theophilus' role in the destruction of the library of Alexandria are? I can't find any that state what you did.
FYI - I'm an atheist and an ex-Christian, (so I'm surely no apologist for Christianity) I'm just absolutely committed to rigorous scholarship.
@dissonantsonorant Yes, I too would like to know where all of your sources are, because apparently you just want people to blindly believe what you are saying in your videos. And so far it is working! Oh, and be careful about saying anything that is relatively true... it will get down thumbed. LoL
Thanks Christianity for fucking up human progression on an epic scale, all for the selfish reason of having your ghost being able to party with your imaginary friend in the sky for eternity.
In 1492, Columbus might have blasted off to Mars to explore another planet instead of discovering the New World full of Indian savages. Oh, what might have been!
According to Wikipedia "The word size may refer to how big something is. In particular:... Dimensions: length, width, height, diameter, perimeter, area, volume "
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Flying Cars, Cyborg Parts, Pills that Cure obesity, and longer lives for everyone! LoL oh... maybe if that wouldn't have happened we would now have time machines and would be able to go back in time to prevent things from happening! LoL I got a cure for obesity... ready? Close your mouth, don't eat as much! LoL
you made a mistake in this video. You said the ratio of the size of the earth to the moon is 3.7 to 1. its closer to 50:1, it has 3.7 times the diameter.
I think I am going to make a video blaming all of the world's stupidity and misguided information on fat white people with glasses. Because if you really do think about it, fat white people with glasses have been the leading cause for our misguided information.
Imagine if the Christian dark ages didn't happen, and in place of it, we had an enlightenment revolution, coupled with what we know now as Austrian (Free Market) economics.
@Surhotchaperchlorome Don't do that. I'm just going to be pissed off that we could have at least had an instant cure for obesity by now, much less the ability to upgrade our bodies with super-awesome cybernetic alternatives.
@Surhotchaperchlorome It's okay. Just makes you think, sometimes. I tend to see this movie as a grave marker for the future that could've been, although that would probably more fittingly be descriptive of the ruins of the library at Alexandria, if they still existed.
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Or the fact that humans didn't know about germs and the transmition of disease during WWI and WWII. Or do some research on Nikola Tesla, who is credited for inventing AC current, Remote controlled machines, Radio waves, WIFI, the INTERNET, and ect... All of which was thought up by Tesla in the 1800's... but yet we have not seen until RECENT years. But I guess all of those inventions didn't come about because of Religion too...
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Da Vinci lived in the 1400's!!! MOST OF ALL of his inventions did not appear until the 1900's! So why didn't all of those things exist back then? Because of relgion? No, simply because the resources to create his inventions were not discovered yet. Conisder the Industrial revolution that took place in the late 1800's and early 1900's... where we just learned how to reproduce things acuratly in mass quantities.
They didn't exist because we didn't yet have the technology to pull it off. He was ahead of his time. We needed to be able to pull off things like electrical generation and internal combustion to make his inventions a reality. The IR was about a LOT more than mass production.
I don't think you are getting the point... you cannot just take one historicle event, and then blame all of histories "development" on one type of religon. You could do that with ANY religon, or Ethnic Group, and ect...
But this WASN'T just one historical development; this was the systematic, wholesale destruction of learning and information by what was at the time the world's superpower.
... And it wasn't the first time that it was done in history either. I still don't see why you think or any of the other viewers think that we would have "flying cars" and "pills that cure obesity" or "cy-borg human parts" or even that we would live longer??? And again, you could blame any type of religion, ethnic group, or civilization for where we are today. You act like the Roman's, Greek's, Hindu's, Budhist, Athiest, Pagans, Catholics, Morman's ect... had no part in history?
In the BIG picture, Religion does not have anything to do with it... regardless of someones religion, they are still HUMAN, and still desire Power, Money, ect... Also most KINGS adopted religion in order to gain "control" over the masses, or acceptence of the "people" - OBAMA on CAMERA has claimed that he is apart of SIX different religions. (Ex: he said he is christain, muslim, ect...)
So what would make one think that this hasn't been done in the past. I am not deffending "Christianity" because honestly RELIGION is man made. All I am trying to point out to you is how narrow minded the video is. You are pointing out one historicle event and blaming EVERYTHING on it with disregards to EVERY other historicle event that has ever taken place. Forget about the Ceasar's, Napolean's, Stalin's, Hitler's, ect... cause they have had no part in history.
well then I guess people were pretty stupid back then... or the King had some type MIB device that wiped people's minds clean. Or maybe when he destroyed the books, the "knowlege" or memories in peoples heads went with it. :) The Odyssey / The Illiad were told by word of Mouth for HUNDREDS of years before they were finally written down.
I can see though that I am just wasting my time, because appearently you are not as bright as I thought that you were. Just wish you knew some of the things that I did, maybe you wouldn't be so ignorant. So, now that you have blamed "Christianity" for where we are in today's world... what are you going to do about it? LoL Maybe I will try to give myself a down thumb to save yourself the "click" LoL
You realize that we only have a fraction of what Homer, Sophocles, and others wrote, due to this very destruction?
If you think that individual memory has anything to do with it, you're either stupid or deluded. Writing is the ONLY way we've been able to progress. You destroy writing, you destroy human progress. Period.
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I'd like to see you try to build a nuclear reactor WITH the writings LoL My question to you is, do you think you could regenerate all of human progress with the writings that were destroyed? The past is the past my intellectual friend. There is nothing you can do to change it, no matter how many youtube video's you post.
LoL - enough people can with enough time - things work differently in your world don't they? You're sure going through a hell of a lot to avoid the proof that you're completely wrong. You my friend have played one too many video games, or watched one too many sci-fi movies. So Mr. All Knowing Shanedk, where is the proof that you are completly right? Forgive me for crossing paths with your all knowing greatness. ALL hail Shanedk!
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Anatomy Da Vinci was the first person to map the entire human body he knew things about the human body that were not taken into consideration until the 1900s., Armored car/Tank, Cannon, Machine gun, Glider, Parachute, Working Water Pumps, Boats, And he even had drawing of the bicycle 300 years before it appeared on the road.
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Take into consideration Leonardo Da Vinci, he had detailed drawings of the following concepts: Scuba Gear, The Winged Glider, The Triple-Barreled Cannon, The Helicopter (or what he called the Aerial Screw), The car (His wooden car moved by the interaction of springs with geared wheels) His concept was not made real until 2004 according to Da Vincis drawings and it worked perfectly.
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Disclamer: Just sharing Knowlege, because that is what youtube and "comments" are for right? There is no intentions of being rude or anything to that matter. Thank for the bit of History that you have shared.
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It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the things that we have in todays day and age to have been manufactured or produced. The recourses were not available yet. Even if the plans to build a rocket ship were created two thousand years ago existed, it wouldnt have been possible. It is stupid to blame where we are now in History or Technological Age on ANY One Thing and not take ALL of History into account.
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True, but apparently you have never taken a Geology class, or even spoken to a geologist. The resources for everything that we have on this earth have always been there... BUT the ability to extract those resources has not been, nor had they been discovered yet. The mining techniques or the technology to extract the minerals from the rocks did not exist. Things being "discovered" HISTORICALLY are the reasons why we have what we have today.
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I also like how this video was very narrow minded, filled with a lot of what ifs and mights. Simply put, the metals minerals, or mining capabilities to acquire EVERYTHING that we have to make the cell phones, engines, different types of metals, etcetera hadnt been discovered yet. Anyone who takes a Geology class would know this. Ever heard of the Bronze Age, Copper Age, Iron Age? These were ages where these types of metals were discovered, and were able to be used.
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Why not talk about the fall of these Empires? I guess because you cant blame Christianity for different Rulers greed, or bad war strategies, or the desire above all else to Rule the World. I guess Christianity is also responsible for the corrupt governments and etcetera. Do some research on Nikola Tesla and tell me if Christianity is responsible for his discoveries, inventions, and etcetera for not being used, or buried. There are THOUSANDS of more instances like this in history.
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It is ludicrous to try to blame any one thing on a single Religion, regardless of their influence. There could be videos similar to this one stating the same thing about other religions, or dynasties. All I am saying is Christianity has nothing to do with the Hitlers or Stalins, or the other Kings, Queens, Emperors, Caesars etcetera Men above all else desire power. Tolkien.
I knew about the christians burning the alexandria library...sad thing...Humanity would be much more evolved and in peace if they would have not done this horrible thing.
Finally I'll have something to show to everyone who says that science is destructive.
Thank you so much for the incredible vid.
And as to where we might've been today...
I'm thinking of the SS Enterprise back at the 1500's, and maybe right now, we would've started colonizing new planets, and dicovered how to connect them by building a grid of stargates, much like the subways we have in most major cities...
There's no doubt in my mind about any of this. What makes me sick about Christianity and Abrahamic thinking in general is that they're hell bent on destroying anything and everything just to keep a strangle hold on the masses.
But here's what makes it worse: Christianity didn't simply take power from the masses, the masses gave it to them willingly. The collective mind is a powerful thing. This is something the churches no doubt know. Only WE can end this.
when religion was respected times were called The Dark Ages. if u like religion an brainwashing try living in a theocratic country. stalin was a dictator, democracy did not exist in russia. rowanrox u are proof of the saying- 'little knowledge is dangerous'. thank ur religious conditioning, from childhood, for that.
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I admire your courage to twist history so boldly apart from that IMAGINE THE WORLD IF WE WERE A 1000 YEARS AHEAD!!!!!! A THOUSAND NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS, WAIT NO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! GLOBAL WARMING, ICE CAPS MELTING ETC...........THE FRUITS OF SCIENCE WITHOUT MORALITY. Don't idolize science if at all we learned something from the past it is to do everything for the goodwill of humanity, scientific advancements today occur at the cost of starving billions, religions around the world are only speaking up.
Ha! Global warming is a farce... we are coming out of an "ICE AGE" according to the United States Geolgist Association. Also if you were to take a Geology class like I suggested previously, you would see the history of the earths temperature. Global Warming... we got over 2 inches of Snow this year in SOUTHERN TEXAS...
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Universities were started during the Christian era because understanding nature and science is important in the understanding of Christ the logos. Most of the leading universities in Europe started as theological seminaries and philosophy was used to aid theological studies. Theo-God logy-logos ie logic of God psycho-mind, logy-logos ie logic of the mind etc. The middle ages were dark days I admit but to put the blame entire on Christianity is cheap and only savage Americans can ascribe to it.
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Thank you for your unbiased universally accepted truth based American ideology its enriching, lets get science to solve global warming, economic oppression, racism and all the injustice in the world, let us kill the love religion talks about.
POS have you ever seen real suffering????? Have you seen people decay as they live????? No scientist cares about them its nuns who live with them and die taking care of them.
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Its a cheap thing to blame it entirely on Christianity although the fault lies with those Christians who never had an understanding on the nature of Christ. Anyway nobody blames the fact that Alexander murdered and plundered to promote the "Greek way of thinking", the decadence and the barbarianism of the Roman Empire and the contribution of Germanic tribes to the fall of the Roman Empire. The first European Renaissance occurred during the Christian Era.
I don't want to use the same language you used, you lost the war sorry. Anyways Mother Theresa was religious and and yeah she used nuclear weapons to destroy the lives of millions and Stalin the atheist spent his life in humble service to the poor cleaning the wounds of the lepers. That proves a lot you are right religion destroys the lives of people whereas science is our nourishes and cherishes because science loves us and serves us in our darkest times.
I think it somewhat ironic that the religious dogma shanedk talks about isn't all that dissimilar from the religious dogma of the pharasees. Take from that what you will.
Concerning the Library I wonder was there really a library by that time,when it was considered JuliusCaesar did the most damage?AlexandrianChristianswere famous forteachingphilosophy in their ownschools, giving us Gregory of Nyssa, Origen, Gregory Nazienzus, Athanasius, Clement of Alexandria, Athenagorus, etc. I find it hard to believe that Christianity alone destroyed the Library, when the earliest Alexandrian Christians (and Jews, like Philo) benefited from it in their schools of thought.
I'm sorry, I meant to say benefited from whatever was preserved from the Library...I'm not saying that Christians might have not done it, but to blame it just on Christianity might be far fetched, when scholars seem to lean on the idea that Caesar was to blame, of course by accident, but at the same time, the above Christians I mentioned above were also promoting the reading of such philosophies for a well-rounded education, not just Christian theology.
I did quite some research on Cyril of Alexandria.Socrates was a Novatian and a Constantinopitan, with much hatred theologically with Cyril, so Socrates' picture of Cyril is a biased one. John of Nikiu is also obviously biased of Hypatia, too. The question is was the mob associated with Cyril. The answer is unknown. Some people say yes, others no.
Let's never forget though, persecuting people who like to do things different and destroying knowledge to maintain the status quo is a fault of man, not religion. Religion was the excuse, not the reason. The reason was control. It's always all about control.
Tis why I always say to the drug war promoters, if you want to fight dangerous addictions, fight the most dangerous one of all: power junkies.
It is the fault or religion. What happens to the aaronites for venerating the golden calf? god commands moses to kill them (Exodus 32:27-28)
What does Josiah do with the priests of Baal? Read 2 Kings 23. Paul calls other gods daemons. Christians went around desecrating pagan temples and burning them to the ground once the emperors were on their side. These are but a few examples. Read the skeptics annotated bible. It's ilumminating. And don't get me started on the koran.
It's gotta go but not by force. That is not an option that will create the greatest good.. We just need to keep doing what we are doing. Educate people more and it will go away on its own. Unbelief is growing more and more in the world thanks to mass education.
True, it will never completely go away. Just look at how there are people who believe Elvis is alive. But it probably will become a minority belief just like in many countries in Europe.
The following Wikipedia quote says the link to the Hypatia story is speculation:
"Carl Sagan, in his series Cosmos, states that the library contained nearly one million scrolls, though other experts have estimated a smaller number (he also gives a speculative description of its destruction, linking it to the death of Hypatia, again without corroboration). No index of the library survives, and it is not possible to know with certainty how large and how diverse the collection may have been."
That is not true. He does not say that they were directly linked. But he says the same view of knowledge as dangereous is what was responsible for both. Watch it yourself.
Simplisitic. The means of communication for ideas across and smong different cultures did not exist. Though I have no argument that the actions of Christians were a setback, isolation of cultures contributed.
You named Bruno. Giordano Bruno? He's a new name to me and I have to get to learn about him. When I read about the demise the the Library of Alexandria, I always feel said but i'm happy that not everything was lost.
Yes; he had the audacity to say that not only was the sun the center of our solar system, but that the stars were other suns to that have planets and even human beings on them. So obviously, he HAD to die.
We take science for granted but we dont really appreciate how all this came to be...the many lost lives because of some Pope. Galileo is such a sad case as well.
Stem cell research was never stopped. The stem cell "ban" was a political myth. I can point you to three firms IN MY STATE that were doing stem cell research while the "ban" was in place.
It was another meaningless political distraction, on both sides. Nothing more.
You are truly the best content provider on YT I have seen to this date.....you are easily better than thunderfoot... I cant believe I discovered your channel just 4 days ago...
I can't believe I missed this video when you first made it. Excellent analyses. It's only so often that we can lament on "ancient computer programmers" in all seriousness.
Your error is condemning all of Christianity based on the acts of a few. Poor execution by flawed humans does not make the underlying principle at fault.
The same logic would condemn the Consitution because flawed people still found a way to justify slavery.
As a person who has found the Bible to be a source of great wisdom and truth, I mostly agree with shanek's last statement. When you find someone attacking science (or religion) as being destructive, start looking at the evidence.
I'm not condemning every single Christian; I'm condemning people who hold to ANY sort of dogma--religious, political, or otherwise--to the point of denying honest inquiry.
I suggest that the nature of mankind itself caused the loss of human knowledge, and not Christianity. All people are born with a sin nature. This also includes people within the church. In the story of Hypatia, shanek mentions that Hypatia and Christians had mutual respect for each other. The bishop, who is a single man, labeled the library pagan and ordered it destroyed. The bishop, despite his title, was not representing Christianity in this case but was a single misguided and flawed man.
"I suggest that the nature of mankind itself caused the loss of human knowledge,"
But the nature of mankind hasn't changed! So why there this big coincidence that we ONLY started making progress when we started relying more and more on science?
"All people are born with a sin nature."
Prove it.
"The bishop, who is a single man,"
did not personally take part in the murder. IT WAS A MOB. A mob who NEVER would have done that without their dogmatic beliefs.
I agree we have made tremendous scientific progress, and science has made my life personally better, but when it comes to mankind I don't think much has changed. There is a dark side to science /technology as well (really it is man's use of technology/science) that has allowed mankind to kill its fellow man in higher numbers (Hitler, Mao). In other words, instead of killing people with a sword, science has now given mankind better tools like the machine gun, or the nuclear bomb.
yes it's true that there is a dark side to technology, there is even a possibility that most of our technology has been discovered or invented much earlier than recorded in our 'history books'. The Manhattan project for instance has been overdramatized into making us beleive that the scientists dramatically came together and built this superweapon and with excellent timing dropped it on our enemy nation(s) etc....killing vast numbers of people in only minutes.
Having come to this video through shanedk's constitutional video series which I enjoyed and found quite informative, I have to disagree with this particular video's premise. As I understand it, the point of this video is to make a case that the rise of Christianity caused a loss of human knowledge which set back the human race by about ~1600 years.
Is Christianity really the cause, or was it really just the tragic flaws inherent in all mankind? Why the 500 character limit? See next post.
Not the best use of words in the above statement. The above statement should be reworded to say "Is Christianity really the cause, or was it really just the sin nature inherent in all mankind?"
I should point out that even though people have a sin nature. We as individuals free choice.
"it's just that theists generally don't think they are EVER wrong..."
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Well, is there truth or not? That seems to be the question. Are Christians supposed to be open minded? I mentioned several religions previously. Do you think they deserve equal time?"
The Carthigenians sacrificed their children to Moloch. Should we listen to them? The Muslims beat their wives, suicide bomb their enemies, punish women for being raped, etc. Do you think they might have the truth?
Do you think maybe the followers of Zeus have something going to them? And next is the most disgusting of all. Those who deny everything even God. Atheists have murdered more people in the last 100 years than all the tyrants in history put together. They are a religion of pure hatred. Do you think we should listen to them?
I don't think so. You do whatever you want. You're going to anyway. Now did you listen and think or are you knee jerking like you accuse Christians of?
Awesome vid!
But I'd like to state that the religious harm is caused by the Maccabees, who ultimately disabled the Hellenization of the Jews. If they hadn't succeeded (and they were almost to be crushed) there wouldn't even be Christianity nor Islam and Judaism would be gone as well.
MrrGrave 8 months ago
Add in the effects of statism since its birth (between 5000 and 7500 years ago), and we've probably been held back for at least 6000 years, not the 1200 estimated in this video.
vspqbd 8 months ago
@vspqbd Of course, statism and religion were inextricably linked. I don't know of any secular states before the Enlightenment.
shanedk 8 months ago
How do you explain all the order and complexity that we can observe in the universe?
ironman197268 8 months ago
@ironman197268 Easily, when you know what physical laws led to it.
shanedk 8 months ago
A major problem is how the bullshit is deeply entrenched into western society. Jesus and Mohammed respectively may have been great moral teachers for their day, and people should model themselves after their heroes in their hobbies, morality, professions, etc., but because of precedent most today have surpassed them. Did Jesus know of utilitarian ethics or Kant's categorical imperative? Emulating Paul Morphy is Chess is a bad idea because of the advancements made since then in chess, and...
jaymthegenius 9 months ago
(cont.) a parallel could also be drawn with morality.
jaymthegenius 9 months ago
religion is humanity's ball-and-chain
grundgemonster 9 months ago
Ah christianity, single handedly destroying thousands of years worth of knowledge one dark age at a time.
Note: currently christians are working on a plan to bring the dark ages back, its called creationism, be warned, be wary, and be afraid.
deathman1021 9 months ago 2
Like I said to my friends a few days ago: If it weren't for Christians I'd be living my life long dream as a cyborg fighting space orcs by now.
LostManSays 9 months ago
@LostManSays Yep, so you want to live in a different imaginary world eh?
sstan1337 9 months ago
A comment to Shanedk - Subscribed ;)
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
@allibyx Why would Christianity be a good source of morality? "Don't wash your hands, it's silly" "We don't need to take care of the enviroment, Jesus will come before global warming anyway!"
marcosfenrir 9 months ago
Some scholars make a case that some of the work of Archimedes (palimpsest) being lost is attributed to a slowing, if not halt, to advancements in math and science. Fundamentalists not only retard their own intellectual growth but when mobilized try to retard societies ability to advance in knowledge.
luisdez81 9 months ago
Shane, I'm sure you also recognize that changing history in that respect would change a great many other things. Look at the Mayans and the Aztecs. They had a great understanding of the motions of the stars, but no idea about the various geometries.
Not all knowledge and discovery could be understandably derived from a past other than the one we have now.
theskepticalheretic 9 months ago
@allibyx well that would be a credit with stains. who know we might have been able to figure out how not to pollute. i still think christianity (all religion) is a cancer.
hey, just sayin.
peace, lardo444.
lardo444 9 months ago
Stupid Christianity... if not for them Gundams would be real by now...
GeoRyukaiser 9 months ago
@GeoRyukaiser haha :D
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS BULLSHIT! you know it was gods hand that put these ideas into there so called scientific minds! blasphemers!!!! nah just kidding. excellent vid.
JESUStheATHEIST1 9 months ago
Thank you for this Video. I am building our Home School High School we page and the Introduction to World History revolves around the destruction of the Library at Alexandria. I will be embedding this directly onto the page (if that is alright with you?). I will leave a link to the site on your page here.
AlphaBrenda1 9 months ago
good1. however if the industrial revolution were to begin 1000 earlier we probably wouldn't be here. the skies would be black.
just sayin.
peace, lardo444.
lardo444 9 months ago
@lardo444 Why? They're not black now.
shanedk 9 months ago 2
@shanedk i think they will be. we haven't learned what pollution will do in the long run. i'm not an environmental activist. but it looks dim for us. when they spilled millions of gallons of oil into the gulf and then claimed they cleaned it all up, HA. they really do think we are stupid. i live on the gulf of mexico, and i've seen all kinds of declining species from normal pollution, but the need for oil will destroy the oceans. along with the sky.
have a peaceful stay.
lardo444.
lardo444 9 months ago
@shanedk they are where i am now cause i live in a city, so not many stars, and its night time, and theres a storm so no moon.
deathman1021 9 months ago
@deathman1021 Only at night, I'm guessing.
shanedk 9 months ago
@shanedk indeed, i just felt like being a smartass, its kind of a hobby.
Its like being a troll but theres no hate involved so its cool
deathman1021 9 months ago
@deathman1021 Ever heard of a thing called light pollution? It over powers the stars no matter what sort of smog there is.
coolhaztech 9 months ago
@coolhaztech yes i know what light pollution is, im just being a smartass, cause a previous person said the sky would be black if the industrial revolution started sooner, in no way recognizing that it would not have ended the same way it did if it had started sooner and just assuming it would have gone the entire time and history would otherwise be unchanged, so i was being a smartass i know why there is not many stars to see at night in a city
deathman1021 9 months ago
@lardo444 Yeah so good thing that happened right? To asume somthing like you are stating with no evidence is just as dogmatic as religions. Yer dumb...... just sayin
sstan1337 9 months ago
@sstan1337 well ssstan i can't argue with you. i am dumb.
just sayin.
peace, lardo444.
lardo444 9 months ago
They did not actually follow the scientific method as we know it, in fact the intellectual contributions which allowed such a thing to develop arose in the Middle Ages which you seem to think were so static. If anyone is to blame here, it is the Muslim caliph Al-Ghazali for claiming that science went against the Koran and used his absolute power to end the learning of the Islamic world. I am not saying that religion has never interfered with scientific progress, but I am saying this is skewed.
bigbear6161 10 months ago
@bigbear6161 Could you elaborate on how the scientific method arose during the Middle Ages? By whom? Because as far as I know, the Greeks were the first to establish some form of scientific method. Although initially, they believed measurements were solely for artists and craftsmen, famous figures such as Aristotle emphasized the importance of empiricism. I know my three comments were really long, but I would appreciate if you replied :) And also, I agree, this is a bit skewed since (continued)
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
@bigbear6161 (Damn it, now there's four replies to you). I agree, this video is a bit skewed. Of course, I agree with it on how Christianity influenced and prolonged this shadow on knowledge, and how Christianity was, indeed, a factor on the declination of Rome (And those times), but shanedk should have elaborated a bit more on other topics. That's what I prefer, anyways. Nevertheless, I like how he incorporated history here ;)
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
You're also forgetting that the collapse of the Roman Empire had a lot to do with the decline of learning. The Christians were one of the few literate people in the Early Middle Ages. (There is a discrepancy in this video: you claim that the Muslims somehow saved scrolls from a library that was burned 300 years before their time. How is that possible?) And Greek philosophy and mathematics was not science as we know it, i.e. the empirical method. They only had thought experiments. (*continued*)
bigbear6161 10 months ago
@bigbear6161 Hi there :). I just wanted to clarify some things with your statements. You should replace Christians with ''the clergy in the monasteries'' since no normal Christians could read or write. In addition, the Roman Empire collapsed (not really because of learning) but from other factors as well. Not to mention that the Roman Empire was split into two, there were also economic troubles, and military troubles (as there were not enough land for all of the soldiers) continued...
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
@bigbear6161 What I mean by the military troubles is that, they promised their soldiers land to farm when they retire. Obviously, there is only so much land (so you can see that troubles). Another question. The video said that Muslims invaded and took hold of Alexandria in 642 AD. Why are you suggesting that the Muslims appeared 300 years after that? Are you implying that Muslims first ''appeared'' (for the lack of a better term) in around 900-1000 AD? (I'm really confused about that).
shad0wdawg 9 months ago
Now, I understand the point that you are trying to make here, but you're overlooking quite a bit of stuff. Now, the progress of non-Greek and Roman civilizations is handwaved away by the fact that none of them had comparable Greek philosophy-- but even accepting that, there are some problems with this. One is that the Library of Alexandria would have already been destroyed at least once; if it had been rebuilt before Hypatia's time, many ancient books were probably already lost. (*continued*)
bigbear6161 10 months ago
Also, "why don't we know more" Maybe you should look into the use of fluoride in water and in toothpaste. Hitler used fluoride to dumb down the concentration camp prisoners. Our government uses it to dumb us down. (fluoridealert [dot] org) Or maybe you should address the fact that alcohol consumption stunts and prohibits brain development, or the fact that smoking kills brian cells, or the chem-trails in the sky, or the drugs, toxins, and hormones in the food we eat. You are so naive.
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
But obviously, thanks you to your stunningly accurate research in your video, it must be because of one's personal views that is the reason we are so dumb... I wonder if this lack of knowledge applies to you too? Instead of getting so mad and offensive (which by the way is a defense mechanism, which in this case occurs when your own personal view is challenged and you aren't quite smart enough to accept anything other than your own "lack" of knowledge) do some research.
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
FYI, I have already clicked the down thumb, since that is what you seem to do to all the post that challenge you mentally.
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
I read from Lloyd DeMause that the Psycho-history explanation for why we had the Renaissance was because of the end of swaddling in child-rearing practices.
Is that plausible?
I asked Lord T Hawkeye about this video, and he said that he's seen this video, and that it was also true that the ruling Christians (at least during that time) were really good at child abuse.
vspqbd 1 year ago
@vspqbd There may be. It's known that movement in early infancy has a lot to do with neural development, especially in coordination between the two hemispheres of the brain. It makes sense that restricting that movement might inhibit neural development.
shanedk 1 year ago
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vspqbd 1 year ago
Unfortunately, the greeks had a failed political system.
*sighs*
Denon333dash888 1 year ago
Shanedk,
I was wondering what your sources on the issue of Theophilus' role in the destruction of the library of Alexandria are? I can't find any that state what you did.
FYI - I'm an atheist and an ex-Christian, (so I'm surely no apologist for Christianity) I'm just absolutely committed to rigorous scholarship.
dissonantsonorant 1 year ago
@dissonantsonorant Yes, I too would like to know where all of your sources are, because apparently you just want people to blindly believe what you are saying in your videos. And so far it is working! Oh, and be careful about saying anything that is relatively true... it will get down thumbed. LoL
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
And this is why, taking christianity as anything but a joke, is ignorance.
Flem1337 1 year ago
You rock, Shanedk, you rock! ☼♥☼
racingracing 1 year ago
Thanks Christianity for fucking up human progression on an epic scale, all for the selfish reason of having your ghost being able to party with your imaginary friend in the sky for eternity.
TheHomelessCripple 1 year ago 21
@TheHomelessCripple And don't forget Judaism. The monotheistic seed of all the degenerate Abrahamic religions.
FaganRoberts 9 months ago
In 1492, Columbus might have blasted off to Mars to explore another planet instead of discovering the New World full of Indian savages. Oh, what might have been!
FaganRoberts 9 months ago
According to Wikipedia "The word size may refer to how big something is. In particular:... Dimensions: length, width, height, diameter, perimeter, area, volume "
interstate317 2 years ago
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Surhotchaperchlorome: D*ck sucker of Shanedk. I have recognized you as the guardian of this comment page and I challenge you to a duel!
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Flying Cars, Cyborg Parts, Pills that Cure obesity, and longer lives for everyone! LoL oh... maybe if that wouldn't have happened we would now have time machines and would be able to go back in time to prevent things from happening! LoL I got a cure for obesity... ready? Close your mouth, don't eat as much! LoL
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
@sxdirtbikedudemx
Obvious troll is obvious.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
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huh? "Obvious troll is obvious." well that's a sentence if I ever saw one LoL
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
you made a mistake in this video. You said the ratio of the size of the earth to the moon is 3.7 to 1. its closer to 50:1, it has 3.7 times the diameter.
interstate317 2 years ago
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yeah... appearently he made A LOT of mistakes in this video LoL
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
@interstate317
By size, I think that's what he meant, dude.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
Diameter = size.
shanedk 2 years ago
@shanedk
Volume = size.
interstate317 2 years ago
No, volume = space.
shanedk 2 years ago
@shanedk
my apologies,
interstate317 2 years ago
i've never witnessed such a case of self-ownage
supahsekzy 2 years ago
and you never will, because its all in your head.
interstate317 2 years ago
Yes, it is in my head, as well as on youtube
supahsekzy 2 years ago 3
Fuck Christianity.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
I think I am going to make a video blaming all of the world's stupidity and misguided information on fat white people with glasses. Because if you really do think about it, fat white people with glasses have been the leading cause for our misguided information.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
Imagine if the Christian dark ages didn't happen, and in place of it, we had an enlightenment revolution, coupled with what we know now as Austrian (Free Market) economics.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
@Surhotchaperchlorome Don't do that. I'm just going to be pissed off that we could have at least had an instant cure for obesity by now, much less the ability to upgrade our bodies with super-awesome cybernetic alternatives.
Virgil0211 2 years ago
Sorry...
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
@Surhotchaperchlorome It's okay. Just makes you think, sometimes. I tend to see this movie as a grave marker for the future that could've been, although that would probably more fittingly be descriptive of the ruins of the library at Alexandria, if they still existed.
Virgil0211 2 years ago
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Or the fact that humans didn't know about germs and the transmition of disease during WWI and WWII. Or do some research on Nikola Tesla, who is credited for inventing AC current, Remote controlled machines, Radio waves, WIFI, the INTERNET, and ect... All of which was thought up by Tesla in the 1800's... but yet we have not seen until RECENT years. But I guess all of those inventions didn't come about because of Religion too...
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Da Vinci lived in the 1400's!!! MOST OF ALL of his inventions did not appear until the 1900's! So why didn't all of those things exist back then? Because of relgion? No, simply because the resources to create his inventions were not discovered yet. Conisder the Industrial revolution that took place in the late 1800's and early 1900's... where we just learned how to reproduce things acuratly in mass quantities.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
They didn't exist because we didn't yet have the technology to pull it off. He was ahead of his time. We needed to be able to pull off things like electrical generation and internal combustion to make his inventions a reality. The IR was about a LOT more than mass production.
shanedk 2 years ago
I don't think you are getting the point... you cannot just take one historicle event, and then blame all of histories "development" on one type of religon. You could do that with ANY religon, or Ethnic Group, and ect...
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
But this WASN'T just one historical development; this was the systematic, wholesale destruction of learning and information by what was at the time the world's superpower.
shanedk 2 years ago
... And it wasn't the first time that it was done in history either. I still don't see why you think or any of the other viewers think that we would have "flying cars" and "pills that cure obesity" or "cy-borg human parts" or even that we would live longer??? And again, you could blame any type of religion, ethnic group, or civilization for where we are today. You act like the Roman's, Greek's, Hindu's, Budhist, Athiest, Pagans, Catholics, Morman's ect... had no part in history?
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
In the BIG picture, Religion does not have anything to do with it... regardless of someones religion, they are still HUMAN, and still desire Power, Money, ect... Also most KINGS adopted religion in order to gain "control" over the masses, or acceptence of the "people" - OBAMA on CAMERA has claimed that he is apart of SIX different religions. (Ex: he said he is christain, muslim, ect...)
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
So what would make one think that this hasn't been done in the past. I am not deffending "Christianity" because honestly RELIGION is man made. All I am trying to point out to you is how narrow minded the video is. You are pointing out one historicle event and blaming EVERYTHING on it with disregards to EVERY other historicle event that has ever taken place. Forget about the Ceasar's, Napolean's, Stalin's, Hitler's, ect... cause they have had no part in history.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
@sxdirtbikedudemx
/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
I'm not aware of any of them destroying the whole of the learning of an entire civilization, no.
shanedk 2 years ago
well then I guess people were pretty stupid back then... or the King had some type MIB device that wiped people's minds clean. Or maybe when he destroyed the books, the "knowlege" or memories in peoples heads went with it. :) The Odyssey / The Illiad were told by word of Mouth for HUNDREDS of years before they were finally written down.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
I can see though that I am just wasting my time, because appearently you are not as bright as I thought that you were. Just wish you knew some of the things that I did, maybe you wouldn't be so ignorant. So, now that you have blamed "Christianity" for where we are in today's world... what are you going to do about it? LoL Maybe I will try to give myself a down thumb to save yourself the "click" LoL
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
You realize that we only have a fraction of what Homer, Sophocles, and others wrote, due to this very destruction?
If you think that individual memory has anything to do with it, you're either stupid or deluded. Writing is the ONLY way we've been able to progress. You destroy writing, you destroy human progress. Period.
shanedk 2 years ago
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So what "writing"(s) gave you your infinate stupidity? I need to make sure to stay away from those.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
You think you can regenerate all of human progress with your intellect???
Go ahead: I'd like to see you try. Build a nuclear reactor without referencing ANY writings at all.
shanedk 2 years ago
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I'd like to see you try to build a nuclear reactor WITH the writings LoL My question to you is, do you think you could regenerate all of human progress with the writings that were destroyed? The past is the past my intellectual friend. There is nothing you can do to change it, no matter how many youtube video's you post.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
Enough people can, with enough time.
You're sure going through a hell of a lot to avoid the proof that you're completely wrong.
shanedk 2 years ago
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LoL - enough people can with enough time - things work differently in your world don't they? You're sure going through a hell of a lot to avoid the proof that you're completely wrong. You my friend have played one too many video games, or watched one too many sci-fi movies. So Mr. All Knowing Shanedk, where is the proof that you are completly right? Forgive me for crossing paths with your all knowing greatness. ALL hail Shanedk!
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Anatomy Da Vinci was the first person to map the entire human body he knew things about the human body that were not taken into consideration until the 1900s., Armored car/Tank, Cannon, Machine gun, Glider, Parachute, Working Water Pumps, Boats, And he even had drawing of the bicycle 300 years before it appeared on the road.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Take into consideration Leonardo Da Vinci, he had detailed drawings of the following concepts: Scuba Gear, The Winged Glider, The Triple-Barreled Cannon, The Helicopter (or what he called the Aerial Screw), The car (His wooden car moved by the interaction of springs with geared wheels) His concept was not made real until 2004 according to Da Vincis drawings and it worked perfectly.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Disclamer: Just sharing Knowlege, because that is what youtube and "comments" are for right? There is no intentions of being rude or anything to that matter. Thank for the bit of History that you have shared.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the things that we have in todays day and age to have been manufactured or produced. The recourses were not available yet. Even if the plans to build a rocket ship were created two thousand years ago existed, it wouldnt have been possible. It is stupid to blame where we are now in History or Technological Age on ANY One Thing and not take ALL of History into account.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
How were the resources not available? It's not like there's suddenly a lot of stuff on the planet that wasn't there before.
shanedk 2 years ago
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True, but apparently you have never taken a Geology class, or even spoken to a geologist. The resources for everything that we have on this earth have always been there... BUT the ability to extract those resources has not been, nor had they been discovered yet. The mining techniques or the technology to extract the minerals from the rocks did not exist. Things being "discovered" HISTORICALLY are the reasons why we have what we have today.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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I also like how this video was very narrow minded, filled with a lot of what ifs and mights. Simply put, the metals minerals, or mining capabilities to acquire EVERYTHING that we have to make the cell phones, engines, different types of metals, etcetera hadnt been discovered yet. Anyone who takes a Geology class would know this. Ever heard of the Bronze Age, Copper Age, Iron Age? These were ages where these types of metals were discovered, and were able to be used.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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Why not talk about the fall of these Empires? I guess because you cant blame Christianity for different Rulers greed, or bad war strategies, or the desire above all else to Rule the World. I guess Christianity is also responsible for the corrupt governments and etcetera. Do some research on Nikola Tesla and tell me if Christianity is responsible for his discoveries, inventions, and etcetera for not being used, or buried. There are THOUSANDS of more instances like this in history.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
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It is ludicrous to try to blame any one thing on a single Religion, regardless of their influence. There could be videos similar to this one stating the same thing about other religions, or dynasties. All I am saying is Christianity has nothing to do with the Hitlers or Stalins, or the other Kings, Queens, Emperors, Caesars etcetera Men above all else desire power. Tolkien.
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
Great video dude!
Keep up the good work.
I enjoyed this one very much.
I knew about the christians burning the alexandria library...sad thing...Humanity would be much more evolved and in peace if they would have not done this horrible thing.
patphilosopher 2 years ago
I think I come back to re-watch this video more than any other on youtube.
blurglide 2 years ago
Dude!
Finally I'll have something to show to everyone who says that science is destructive.
Thank you so much for the incredible vid.
And as to where we might've been today...
I'm thinking of the SS Enterprise back at the 1500's, and maybe right now, we would've started colonizing new planets, and dicovered how to connect them by building a grid of stargates, much like the subways we have in most major cities...
MaximXmaxB7 2 years ago 2
There's no doubt in my mind about any of this. What makes me sick about Christianity and Abrahamic thinking in general is that they're hell bent on destroying anything and everything just to keep a strangle hold on the masses.
But here's what makes it worse: Christianity didn't simply take power from the masses, the masses gave it to them willingly. The collective mind is a powerful thing. This is something the churches no doubt know. Only WE can end this.
Homer177 2 years ago
when religion was respected times were called The Dark Ages. if u like religion an brainwashing try living in a theocratic country. stalin was a dictator, democracy did not exist in russia. rowanrox u are proof of the saying- 'little knowledge is dangerous'. thank ur religious conditioning, from childhood, for that.
ptthunder 2 years ago 2
rowanrox, hateful libelous comments are NOT allowed on this channel. Your comment was deleted. First warning.
shanedk 2 years ago
latest family guy episode shows a reality where christainity never existed and we are 1000 years more advanced
DanJC989 2 years ago
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I admire your courage to twist history so boldly apart from that IMAGINE THE WORLD IF WE WERE A 1000 YEARS AHEAD!!!!!! A THOUSAND NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS, WAIT NO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! GLOBAL WARMING, ICE CAPS MELTING ETC...........THE FRUITS OF SCIENCE WITHOUT MORALITY. Don't idolize science if at all we learned something from the past it is to do everything for the goodwill of humanity, scientific advancements today occur at the cost of starving billions, religions around the world are only speaking up.
rowanrox 2 years ago
It's RELIGIOUS people who keep threatening nuclear war. It's RELIGIOUS people who keep denying Global Warming. Talk to the fucking mirror, pal.
shanedk 2 years ago
Ha! Global warming is a farce... we are coming out of an "ICE AGE" according to the United States Geolgist Association. Also if you were to take a Geology class like I suggested previously, you would see the history of the earths temperature. Global Warming... we got over 2 inches of Snow this year in SOUTHERN TEXAS...
sxdirtbikedudemx 2 years ago
@sxdirtbikedudemx
I just tried to google "United States Geologist Association" and there doesn't seem to be such a thing.
aNdYmAtTeR 1 year ago
@aNdYmAtTeR usgs [dot] gov.
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
@aNdYmAtTeR usgs . gov
sxdirtbikedudemx 11 months ago
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Universities were started during the Christian era because understanding nature and science is important in the understanding of Christ the logos. Most of the leading universities in Europe started as theological seminaries and philosophy was used to aid theological studies. Theo-God logy-logos ie logic of God psycho-mind, logy-logos ie logic of the mind etc. The middle ages were dark days I admit but to put the blame entire on Christianity is cheap and only savage Americans can ascribe to it.
rowanrox 2 years ago
Universities were started in ancient Greece. They were repressed during the Christian era.
shanedk 2 years ago
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Thank you for your unbiased universally accepted truth based American ideology its enriching, lets get science to solve global warming, economic oppression, racism and all the injustice in the world, let us kill the love religion talks about.
POS have you ever seen real suffering????? Have you seen people decay as they live????? No scientist cares about them its nuns who live with them and die taking care of them.
rowanrox 2 years ago
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Its a cheap thing to blame it entirely on Christianity although the fault lies with those Christians who never had an understanding on the nature of Christ. Anyway nobody blames the fact that Alexander murdered and plundered to promote the "Greek way of thinking", the decadence and the barbarianism of the Roman Empire and the contribution of Germanic tribes to the fall of the Roman Empire. The first European Renaissance occurred during the Christian Era.
rowanrox 2 years ago
Yes, with the church fighting it tooth and nail...
shanedk 2 years ago
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I don't want to use the same language you used, you lost the war sorry. Anyways Mother Theresa was religious and and yeah she used nuclear weapons to destroy the lives of millions and Stalin the atheist spent his life in humble service to the poor cleaning the wounds of the lepers. That proves a lot you are right religion destroys the lives of people whereas science is our nourishes and cherishes because science loves us and serves us in our darkest times.
rowanrox 2 years ago
I'm a christian, and I approve of this video.
I think it somewhat ironic that the religious dogma shanedk talks about isn't all that dissimilar from the religious dogma of the pharasees. Take from that what you will.
Altimadark 2 years ago 5
Concerning the Library I wonder was there really a library by that time,when it was considered JuliusCaesar did the most damage?AlexandrianChristianswere famous forteachingphilosophy in their ownschools, giving us Gregory of Nyssa, Origen, Gregory Nazienzus, Athanasius, Clement of Alexandria, Athenagorus, etc. I find it hard to believe that Christianity alone destroyed the Library, when the earliest Alexandrian Christians (and Jews, like Philo) benefited from it in their schools of thought.
minasoliman 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I meant to say benefited from whatever was preserved from the Library...I'm not saying that Christians might have not done it, but to blame it just on Christianity might be far fetched, when scholars seem to lean on the idea that Caesar was to blame, of course by accident, but at the same time, the above Christians I mentioned above were also promoting the reading of such philosophies for a well-rounded education, not just Christian theology.
minasoliman 2 years ago
Otherwise, the overall message of the video is well presented.
minasoliman 2 years ago
I did quite some research on Cyril of Alexandria.Socrates was a Novatian and a Constantinopitan, with much hatred theologically with Cyril, so Socrates' picture of Cyril is a biased one. John of Nikiu is also obviously biased of Hypatia, too. The question is was the mob associated with Cyril. The answer is unknown. Some people say yes, others no.
minasoliman 2 years ago
Let's never forget though, persecuting people who like to do things different and destroying knowledge to maintain the status quo is a fault of man, not religion. Religion was the excuse, not the reason. The reason was control. It's always all about control.
Tis why I always say to the drug war promoters, if you want to fight dangerous addictions, fight the most dangerous one of all: power junkies.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago
It is the fault or religion. What happens to the aaronites for venerating the golden calf? god commands moses to kill them (Exodus 32:27-28)
What does Josiah do with the priests of Baal? Read 2 Kings 23. Paul calls other gods daemons. Christians went around desecrating pagan temples and burning them to the ground once the emperors were on their side. These are but a few examples. Read the skeptics annotated bible. It's ilumminating. And don't get me started on the koran.
rm991 2 years ago 2
In other words, "this whole believing in god thing's just gotta go for the greater good of humanity"
See what you just did there? Those sorts of lines of thinking never end well, doesn't matter which side is doing it.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago
It's not a belief in God (or whatever) that has to go; it's dogmatic thinking of ALL kinds.
shanedk 2 years ago
RAmen!
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
It's gotta go but not by force. That is not an option that will create the greatest good.. We just need to keep doing what we are doing. Educate people more and it will go away on its own. Unbelief is growing more and more in the world thanks to mass education.
rm991 2 years ago 11
There is only one way religion could ever "go." Discover the meaning of life beyond any shadow of doubt.
Best of all, that's no guarantee even if you did do that. Good luck!
lordthawkeye 2 years ago
/watch?v=EoiBTdqTsqw ("Anti-Theism")
I thank you.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
True, it will never completely go away. Just look at how there are people who believe Elvis is alive. But it probably will become a minority belief just like in many countries in Europe.
rm991 2 years ago
Aristarchus only devised a logical method of measuring the distance to the sun but moon and did so with a great deal of inaccuracy.
Libertarianist 2 years ago
The following Wikipedia quote says the link to the Hypatia story is speculation:
"Carl Sagan, in his series Cosmos, states that the library contained nearly one million scrolls, though other experts have estimated a smaller number (he also gives a speculative description of its destruction, linking it to the death of Hypatia, again without corroboration). No index of the library survives, and it is not possible to know with certainty how large and how diverse the collection may have been."
jcr4runner 2 years ago
That is not true. He does not say that they were directly linked. But he says the same view of knowledge as dangereous is what was responsible for both. Watch it yourself.
rm991 2 years ago
Simplisitic. The means of communication for ideas across and smong different cultures did not exist. Though I have no argument that the actions of Christians were a setback, isolation of cultures contributed.
humanist7117 2 years ago
How were cultures any less isolated in the 16th century? The means of communication is a RESULT of science, and something else that was set back.
shanedk 2 years ago
You named Bruno. Giordano Bruno? He's a new name to me and I have to get to learn about him. When I read about the demise the the Library of Alexandria, I always feel said but i'm happy that not everything was lost.
rogermoore27 2 years ago
Yes; he had the audacity to say that not only was the sun the center of our solar system, but that the stars were other suns to that have planets and even human beings on them. So obviously, he HAD to die.
shanedk 2 years ago
We take science for granted but we dont really appreciate how all this came to be...the many lost lives because of some Pope. Galileo is such a sad case as well.
rogermoore27 2 years ago
Never mind. If history had been any different, none of us would have been born.
davewatcher 2 years ago
Wonderful, Now we can get on with stem cell research.
limpnail 3 years ago
Stem cell research was never stopped. The stem cell "ban" was a political myth. I can point you to three firms IN MY STATE that were doing stem cell research while the "ban" was in place.
It was another meaningless political distraction, on both sides. Nothing more.
shanedk 3 years ago
Thanks, I had no idea that stem cell was going on. Glad you are keeping up with this. Love your vids. Very informative.
limpnail 3 years ago
Fascinating Vid!
lcbaudar 3 years ago
Excellent video. Excellent.
rafaelhsouza 3 years ago
You are truly the best content provider on YT I have seen to this date.....you are easily better than thunderfoot... I cant believe I discovered your channel just 4 days ago...
abhish1313 3 years ago
I can't believe I missed this video when you first made it. Excellent analyses. It's only so often that we can lament on "ancient computer programmers" in all seriousness.
pyromania152 3 years ago
Wow!
Great vid, Shane!
Any diagrams on those ancient steam engines?! Is that for real?!
brengun42 3 years ago
As far as I know, the original documents were lost completely, and we only know of them by reference.
shanedk 3 years ago
Your error is condemning all of Christianity based on the acts of a few. Poor execution by flawed humans does not make the underlying principle at fault.
The same logic would condemn the Consitution because flawed people still found a way to justify slavery.
As a person who has found the Bible to be a source of great wisdom and truth, I mostly agree with shanek's last statement. When you find someone attacking science (or religion) as being destructive, start looking at the evidence.
raptorff 3 years ago
I'm not condemning every single Christian; I'm condemning people who hold to ANY sort of dogma--religious, political, or otherwise--to the point of denying honest inquiry.
shanedk 3 years ago
I pity them.
raptorff 3 years ago
I suggest that the nature of mankind itself caused the loss of human knowledge, and not Christianity. All people are born with a sin nature. This also includes people within the church. In the story of Hypatia, shanek mentions that Hypatia and Christians had mutual respect for each other. The bishop, who is a single man, labeled the library pagan and ordered it destroyed. The bishop, despite his title, was not representing Christianity in this case but was a single misguided and flawed man.
raptorff 3 years ago
"I suggest that the nature of mankind itself caused the loss of human knowledge,"
But the nature of mankind hasn't changed! So why there this big coincidence that we ONLY started making progress when we started relying more and more on science?
"All people are born with a sin nature."
Prove it.
"The bishop, who is a single man,"
did not personally take part in the murder. IT WAS A MOB. A mob who NEVER would have done that without their dogmatic beliefs.
shanedk 3 years ago
I agree we have made tremendous scientific progress, and science has made my life personally better, but when it comes to mankind I don't think much has changed. There is a dark side to science /technology as well (really it is man's use of technology/science) that has allowed mankind to kill its fellow man in higher numbers (Hitler, Mao). In other words, instead of killing people with a sword, science has now given mankind better tools like the machine gun, or the nuclear bomb.
raptorff 3 years ago
yes it's true that there is a dark side to technology, there is even a possibility that most of our technology has been discovered or invented much earlier than recorded in our 'history books'. The Manhattan project for instance has been overdramatized into making us beleive that the scientists dramatically came together and built this superweapon and with excellent timing dropped it on our enemy nation(s) etc....killing vast numbers of people in only minutes.
crawhip2 3 years ago
Having come to this video through shanedk's constitutional video series which I enjoyed and found quite informative, I have to disagree with this particular video's premise. As I understand it, the point of this video is to make a case that the rise of Christianity caused a loss of human knowledge which set back the human race by about ~1600 years.
Is Christianity really the cause, or was it really just the tragic flaws inherent in all mankind? Why the 500 character limit? See next post.
raptorff 3 years ago
"Is Christianity really the cause, or was it really just the tragic flaws inherent in all mankind?"
No, because if it were inherent in all mankind, everyone would do it. But it only seems to be those who adhere to a dogma. Why is that?
shanedk 3 years ago
Not the best use of words in the above statement. The above statement should be reworded to say "Is Christianity really the cause, or was it really just the sin nature inherent in all mankind?"
I should point out that even though people have a sin nature. We as individuals free choice.
raptorff 3 years ago
Yes, but why is it only the ones who follow a dogma that push Jews into ovens or fly planes into buildings?
shanedk 3 years ago
It's always the same people , but in different diguise each time. tehre's nothing new under the sun.
crawhip2 3 years ago
I tell you why it took 1500 years to reinvent it.
The Vatican burned the scientific books of the Greeks, because it was heresy. Creationist are still trying to do is!!!
Thanks to the occupation of muslims in Spain some of these book were saved.....but discovered very late.
Just image a world without the Vatican... sigh, we would idd have had the age of enlightenment a 1000 years ago...
xenitro 3 years ago
"it's just that theists generally don't think they are EVER wrong..."
PART 1
Well, is there truth or not? That seems to be the question. Are Christians supposed to be open minded? I mentioned several religions previously. Do you think they deserve equal time?"
The Carthigenians sacrificed their children to Moloch. Should we listen to them? The Muslims beat their wives, suicide bomb their enemies, punish women for being raped, etc. Do you think they might have the truth?
SockPuppet357 3 years ago
PART 2
Do you think maybe the followers of Zeus have something going to them? And next is the most disgusting of all. Those who deny everything even God. Atheists have murdered more people in the last 100 years than all the tyrants in history put together. They are a religion of pure hatred. Do you think we should listen to them?
I don't think so. You do whatever you want. You're going to anyway. Now did you listen and think or are you knee jerking like you accuse Christians of?
SockPuppet357 3 years ago