It's a constitutional amendment to separate church from state. Basically meaning that if a church does not want to marry gay couples then they don't have to. Because if they are forced to then are we really separating church from state or are we using excuses for churches to go against what they preach. I don't care either way for gay couples to marry, just don't force churches to do things they are against. There have been plenty churches opposed to interracial couples marrying.
Prop 8 is not unfair and wrong. One question Id like to ask him is how do u justify all the hate that comes from the opposition? Wut about people losing their jobs just for their personal beliefs? Wut about churches losing their tax exemptions for refusing to allow gay marriage ceremonies. How hypocritical.
@andrewiscool100able Has a church actually lost its tax exempt status for refusing to perform a marriage ceremony for a same sex couple? I hadn't heard about that and would love a link if you could provide it as if that is happening it is no good. I personally have no problem with homosexuals in civil unions/marriages as recognized by the state but churches should not be legislated by the federal government if that is indeed happening.
@andrewiscool100able slavery is not unfair and wrong. One question Id like to ask him is how do u justify all the hate that comes from the opposition? Wut about people losing their jobs just for their personal beliefs? Wut about whites losing their workers for refusing to allow blacks to become free. How hypocritical.
@andrewiscool100able If churches do not follow state law by allowing same sex couples to marry, then yes they should loose their tax exeptions. What if a church didnt want to marry an interracial couple? Is a church wrong then? It sounds like the same thing to me. Yes you can have your opinions whether same-sex marriage is right or wrong, but if your a state regulated church, then you need to follow state law, no matter what your beliefs are.
im not sure if churchs can be forced to do that, even interracial couples. after all, many will not allow female priests, or male nuns, for example. sexism is pretty common in the churches, and as far as i know, is not challenged by any state laws.
Celebrities should not be doing political videos. It's their job to entertain us not promote propositions. They are not experts on history, or politics. Someone should have made a video with one of the judges that made gay marriage legal in California.
@TeenParodyInc Like it or not, celebrities are the demagogues and high priests of the new generation. More Americans voted for American Idol than their own Senators on average so to say that an enterprising political party shouldn't use them is ridiculous. The charisma and power a celebrity holds is a powerful tool in getting a point across and convincing people. Sadly most Americans wouldn't even recognize even a Supreme Court judge if one was shown.
I knew this mother fucker Samuel l jackson was gay (narrating this crap), who else who was not gay would have films lining up all the way to frigging 2012, he is clearly fucking some powerful ass in hollywood
Prop 8 won't always be law in California because most are realizing that they have been lied and manipulated by the Morons about Gay people. Prop 8 passed by only 52%, and how many people were manipulated? The numbers can change drastically. Prop 8 is discrimination, period. Keep your damn religion out of my life, geez! WTF! Oh, the Morons, they did not invent civil marriage. Civil marriage is an inherited practice of civil law from the Pagan people and all citizens were treated equally.
People just need to keep their biblical doctrine to themselves, and we wouldn't have all this discrimination. My marriage has nothing to do with your marriage, etc. The bible embraces to much of what we view today as wrong, but some are still living with archaic beliefs. Hypocrisy runs rampant with in various sects, so they need to create a target and that target is Gay people of whom the Bible never even condemned any more than it did other people. In fact, natural Eunuchs were praised.
Then why do so many staunchly atheist people and countries oppose homosexual marriage as well? Why did the USSR, China, North Korea, and Vietnam, all strictly godless and imposed bans on religion, then at the same time ban homosexuality period.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't. Gay people are human beings just like you girl. Their sexual relationships are no different, except that they have that relationship with a person of the same sex. The problem is people have their head in the gutter. Wake up! My own family members had been taken to US concentration camps, and my parents were an interracial couple. The discrimination Gay people face is the same kind of discrimination. Discrimination toward people is the same.
@xtrashed, of course, you're right. The interracial couple whose wedding I witnessed in 1993 had both had relationships with members of their own race. The husband had even married a member of his own race and divorced her. Gays and lesbians have no alternative. Thanks for reminding the us all that the lack of same sex marriage is a greater injustice than the prohibitions against interracial marriage. ;-)
what about god you know thats why this place is getting worse as time goes on i believe in god and being gay is unexceptable their taking god out of every thing now nothing matter no more standards or morals in this country everyone sit back and watch every thing unfold may god have mercy on all of us i dont care if your gay or not marrage is is a union before god and a whole city was burned down because of it so let them be gay but dont envolve god in it
Talk about alleged "bathhouse" I know of several clubs were alleged "str8" people go for sex, so don't be fooled about your puritan "str8" friends. Just because some one might go to a house to have sex doesn't mean you can't have sex in a car. How old are you... There's brothels, there's swing clubs, give me a break!
Tired of those Yes on 8 types of people! First they act like it's about their religion and religious fatwa's for their gods sake, yet in the court of civil law they don't mention this crap! So sick of that hypocrisy! I've heard it when I converted to Christianity, but all I seen were a bunch of hypocrites for 4 years of my own dedicated life. Thank the spirits that I saw the light and left Christianity. It's nice to be in a free country where we can choose our own religious paths.
Last week in American Idol Simon, Paula, Randy and Kara said fuck you to the Ameircan voters and brought back Matt. I hope soon the California Supreme Court will say fuck you to the Californian voters and bring gay marriage back.
OK let me point out America is not theocry and it will never be one which means Religions should not have factors in any of our laws. The bible the coran or any other holy book should not have any effect on peoples if they not hold it as there religious text. What if one day lets say pagans were the majority in America over christens and they want christens to be expelled from the us for there beliefs. face it if you lost majority in the states your just be a group of sad fucks.
why is the gay community always trying to equate their perversion to civil rights? black people fought for a legit cause. gays choose their perverted lifestyle.
Lastly, if gays want the respect of us str8 people, they should close down them disgusting bathhouses and other perversions they participate in. Live a more respectable lifestyle and I guarantee you, we will support your cause. thank you.
Ok, then I believe you don't choose to be gay. But why the promiscuity? What's the point behind having bathhouses open? Are there bathhouses for men to meet women so we can have casual open sex? No, cuz we're responsible. Like I said I respect if you're gay and were born that way. Just tell your fella gayboys to project a better image of themselves in public and we'll have more respect for you.
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hotathlete2,
YOU are so right! GAY PEOPLE profit so much out this Iraq War! They are living it RICH while the STRAIGHT PEOPLE are robbed blinded!
Are we even surprised that Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and so on are GAY! These GAY PEOPLE have built up a WAR CHEST to fund their GAY AGENDA!
Now, these GAY PEOPLE have switch side again to the Liberal to promote their GAY AGENDA with the DIRTY MONEY they acquired during the Iraq War!
that statement is in itself an insult towards yourself. anal SEX is dangerous, as the walls of the anus are thinner and susceptible to tearing, thus infection/ spread of STDs. read a book on spelling, then about anatomy :)
This is ridiculous, ask any doctor and they will tell you that anal sex, while not for everyone, can be a fulfilling part of a couple's love making. If two consenting adults want to try it then lube, patience, and a condom (to prevent STDs just like with oral and vaginal sex) are all they need.
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there is actually no proof EVER that gays are "born that way". that itself is a tale made up by leftist puppeteers. and hey, why dont YOU actually ask a doctor about anal sex and how harmful it is? clearly you have no idea what youre talking about. just like every other pro-gay ape.
So where is your proof that gays are born straight?
......................Still waiting, cause it doesn't exist!!!
There are in fact studies that show a clear BIOLOGICAL difference between gays and straights. We are talking get out a ruler and measure it stuff. While the source of these differences have not been found, research is ongoing to find a BIOLOGICAL cause.
actually, there are NO conclusive studies showing that gays are "born that way" k? done being insecure and retarded? cool. i, just like you, can say that i have friends who are doctors who laugh at those who try to say that gays are genetically influenced. actually, they all say that gays are the result of sexual abuse and/ or lack of a father. :)
So you can't prove that gays are born straight? Can you prove why they are BIOLOGICALLY different from straights of the same sex? Can you show one scientific study to back up anything you claim?
The problem with people on your side of this issue is you throw around these theories and talking points but you never prove it with legitimate studies- CAUSE YOU CAN'T!
what you just said, can be pointed right back at you. gays are born with...prepare yourself... REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. so where in your idiotic "argument" can you prove that gays are born gay? youre a lot dumber than most of the frail minded leftists i constantly own.
I can prove that there are BIOLOGICAL differences between gays & straights (see the article I already cited) which leads us to theorize that there is some cause for homosexuality outside of choice. For your side either nearly every single gay person is lying when they say that they were born that way or it is the truth.
Plenty of people are born with reproductive organs who CHOOSE not to use them for procreation- do you fault the straight couple who don't have children for choosing to do so?
actually every study that tries to legitimize homosexuality as genetic, has been either debunked or discredited. idiot. people who are in hetero relationships use their reproductive organs. gays...do not.
hmm...i guess I must be some sort of mutation because I grew up with a fantastic, very masculine father, and was never abused..........so..............your point is pretty much moot.
Good then. Us straights are disgusted by the promiscous lifestyle. Closed down the bathhouses and we'll have more respect for you. Have a monogamous relationship with your lover and don't have 5000 lovers at the local bathhouses. Yes there are bio differences between us str8's and you gay men.
@hotathlete2 you forget just like homosexual, heterosexuals are swingers and lead promiscuous lifestyles. In fact, lets take a look at our Christian conservative lawmakers, like Sanford, Sen. John Ensign, Newt Gingrich and now Stanley...... ALL HETEROSEXUAL ADULTERERS who have cheated on their wives and disgraced their children and we ALL know that's the tip of the hypocritical iceberg.
Yes but the perversions you gay men participate involve deadly diseases like Aids. Also whenever I point out a perverse act committed by a gay man, I get no support from any gay man. In fact, I'm told to shut up and mind my own bizz. When I point out a perverse act of a str8 person, I will get the support of the majority of the str8 community. This tells me you gay men need help.
@hotathlete2 actually, i am a heterosexual woman, but thank you for the generalization and accusation. it REALLY shows me you haven't pre-judged opinions that differ from your own, lol. lets be clear, i don't know of any sexual contact, hetero or homo that doesn't involve risk. are you claiming AIDS is a disease strictly of gay perversion? are you willing to accuse the HUGE NUMBERS of those suffering from the illness in Africa of being perverts?
and who's to say your infatuation with homosexual anal sex isn't a perversion in itself? point being, homos AND heteros who involve in risky behavior suffer from STDS, period. it's just too easy to blame it on everyone but ourselves. lastly, perhaps you get "no support" from the gays because every comment of yours has been a disgusting generalization of the ENTIRE gay community or has started with a personal attack and goes downhill from there...
it's not an infactuation, it's called a concern for disease controls. straight and gay perversions are everyone's business. Even before I posted all those comments, I was told by the gays to mind my own business. ie., I pointed out a gay man that has an obsession with nambla and the gays here would tell me it's none of my business. All perversions are everyone's business.
Name-calling and generalizations are NOT "concern." If you were so "concerned" you wouldn't be spending your time antagonizing and belittling "perverts, hedonists, and those who frequent bathhouses" (as your familiarity with that lifestyle has pointed out) anonymously over the internet, you would be volunteering and providing outreach to those disenfranchised groups.
And if everyone's perversions are everyone's business, please list all of your sexual experiences and partners as I'm sure there are many who would like to know as it is their business. Surely, you must have had many, as a name like "hotathlete" CAN'T be some advertisement of a sexually suggestive nature. You do not mean over-heated athlete, do you?
there's not enough room here to list all my sexual experiences w/ ladies. It numbers in the 100's. I lived through the 80's and 90's bedding ladies with no condoms. Now i'm not proud of that, I do use protection now. Oddly enough, I haven't contracted any std's.
Thank you, you've just proven my point. Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your very last comment stated "I'm voicing my concern about irresponsible promiscous behaviors," and yet in your next comment you brag about having had unprotected sex with hundreds of women and state that sex is one of your main interests on your YOUTUBE profile. Given the fact that more than 1 in 10 heterosexual women have an STD they do not know about, I somehow doubt your claim...
why have I not contracted any communicable diseases? Don't you think it be much different if that were gay sex? One in ten straight women have an std? Do you?
willing to submit a blood test? lol. 1 in 4 women have type2 genital herpes HSV-2, 1 in 8 men carry the virus. that is just 1 STD of hundreds. i HIGHLY suggest u fact check ur claims at cdc(dot)gov. it also only takes 1 encounter to contract a disease. the fact is u had 100's of unprotected partners but claim no stds. either ur a liar or the luckiest guy in the world to dodge those bullets, but that doesn't really help ur "concern about irresponsible promiscous behaviors," does it?
No, I'm one of many straight men that has bedded many ladies and clean of stds. I did get the crabs once but that went away with some ointment the doc gave me. Case in point, Elvis bedded over 10,000 women in one year and was never known to have contracted aids. and yes I get tested for stds once a year during my physical exams. I'm clean.
Elvis died prematurely of a drug overdose. There is no proof either way. Had he lived longer, maybe some of those STD symptoms would have come to fruition. I bet you're gonna tell me that since we didn't have visual proof, it didn't exist, right? Listen, I'm not trying to argue with you, but you can't tell me there's no double standard where guys think they can have hundred of unprotected partners, but when us women do it we're sluts or when gays do it they're promiscuous disease bags...
Elvis died of a heart attack from taking prescription drugs. All thru the 50's,60's and early 70's he was sleeping w/ many women even b4 condoms came out. There was plenty of time for the virus to multiply in his body. What about rock hudson? liberace? dack rambo? the virus caught up with them. and of course they were gay.
Elvis died in 1977. AIDS was first identified in the USA in 1981. All three of the gays you mentioned died during the gay AIDS pandemic of the 80's (actually, '85 or after). They were not his contemporaries. AIDS is horrible and the fact that you brought it up as a reason to deny gays equal rights just doesn't make sense to me. Should certain large hetero populations of Africans not be allowed to marry because they are carriers and spread the virus?
There are other famous straight men that bedded many women. Warren Beatty and many others in hollywood that were sexually active during the sexual revolution. These actors are still w/ us today. When aids was discovered in 81, scientist named it gay related immuned deficiency syndrome cuz they saw that mainly gay men were infected w/ this disease. Yes Aids is horrible and we all should be more responisble. this is why bathhouses serve no purpose for anyone.
It was never named that. That was a proposed name, which was rejected since it didn't correspond to reality. I suppose you do know that "patient zero" for AIDS was a heterosexual Dutch woman? And the fact that the overwhelming number of transmissions of the virus every year come from heterosexual sex?
No, the original name for aids was grids, google it. Pls send me proof of your claims. I'll be happy to send proof of my statements. Why is it that most deceased gay men died of aids. and if they're still alive, they're at risk of acquiring the disease. that's fact.
HA! Your googlefu is terrible. Look up "The History of AIDS and ARC." Bwah-ha-ha! Why is it that only 5% of gay men have AIDS, and almost all of those are in the "Down Low" population? You are at risk. That's a fact.
5% of gay men have aids? not true. you're sending a very bad message to them that they can continue living irresponsibly. Again, I'm str8 and all through the 80' and 90's I had a lot of unprotected sex with ladies. If I were a gay man, I wouldn't be so fortunate. Again, send to me the source of this 5% and that most aids carriers contracted aids through straight sex.
Actually very true. Have you ever heard of Africa? Ever? It's a big old continent. Lots of people on it. Lots of people with AIDS. To quote the HIV Vaccine Trials Network, "Worldwide, 85% of new HIV infections are acquired heterosexually, with the greatest number in sub-Saharan Africa. In the United States, 31% of new infections are passed through heterosexual contact."
Is the 31% in the US being passed through sexual contact? No, It's passed through shared needles, prostitutes and bisexual men that sleep with women. and aids is not a 3rd world disease. There are more aids cases in the US among gay men than there are aids cases among straight men in latin countries. This tells me it's a gay disease. another fact to cry about.
Ummm, did you bother to read? 31% is heterosexual contact. Why, exactly, are you even bringing Latin America into this? Once again, did you read at all? "Sub-Saharan Africa."
You should probably learn to read before deciding what something in writing tells you. Another fact to cry about.
I brought up latin america(where I was born) cuz people call aids a 3rd world disease. and it's a fact that aids is more prevalent among gay white males in the US than straight latin men. Note too how aids got into the hetero community by women who slept with bisexual men. this is fact.
I didn't call AIDS a 3rd world disease, neither did anyone else as far as I can tell. And I love how you are now arbitrarily limiting the terms of the conversation once you were proven wrong. No, AIDS got to the heterosexual community by Africans who ate bushmeat. This is a fact.
It's true that aids originated in Africa, yes. What's important is how it was spread and it was spread thru gay anal sex, this is fact. I tried to send you the web address to an article from the CDC, and somehow youtube isn't allowing that. If you can provide to me a fax number or your email address, I'd be happy to send that article to you. It's a fact. Try to google search: aids and gay community. It'll be there in print or just give me your email address, i can scan and send it.
No. It was spread (85% of the time to be exact) by heterosexual sex. Then often by sharing needles, and blood transfusion. Then a minuscule amount of the time by male to male sexual contact. That's a fact.
No, UR very wrong. According to the center for disease control, gay men run the highest risk of catching the aids virus cuz of high risk type sex U all participate in. I'm sorry but this fact. 75% of all aids cases in industrialized countries are gay men. Don't believe? I'll be happy to send you the article from the cdc. The bathhouses are a lure for the aids virus.
I can't quite understand who U are. Are you a lady, transgender or post op transexual? You seem to be so defensive of gay men. Many str8 and lesbian women I speak w/ are disgusted w/ the way gay men behave.
And I accidentally sent you an Elvis video. I know you hate Elvis cuz he was str8. Just disregard it.
thanks for the article. it's says that most of the aids cases are still from male to male gay sex contact. Thanks for confirming that for me. aids cases decreased among gay men since '85 but still according to the chart, gay men still have the highest percentage among all the groups.
How can documented proof be a lie hun? it's written on the article. What in the article is a lie? Know that those articles have to be proofread for facts during editing. No, please, I like talking to you sweetie.
As far as the 5% number, you have to do the math yourself. Take the CDC's report, divide by the information from the census bureau factored in for information from psychological surveys... and you get 5%.
and I grew up with many promiscous straight guys that bedded many women with no condoms. these guys are all still with us today and healthy as jack la lane. I'm not bragging about no condoms, but if these guys were in gay bathhouse dwellers, it would be a totally different story.
I like how your narrow anecdotal experience coupled with hypotheticals is supposed to be what we believe. I'd try working on a more reality-based approach.
cutting and pasting from an article from the cdc is a reality based approach. Those are the facts for you. You haven't presented to me any solid proof like that.
and get your facts straight.I just googled searched patient zero was a canadian airline steward that was gay. His name was gaetan dugas. He's believed to be the first aids patient. He was believed to have been responsible for bring the aids virus to north america. again research before posting your comments.
Once more you should actually try finding good sources, not whatever trash pops up in a google search. The very fact that you brought up Dugas shows how utterly without merit your facts are. The first AIDS cases showed up in the late 50's and were a Dutch woman and an English man. Dugas didn't even bring HIV to North America. It had traveled from the Congo to Hatti to mainland America by the 70's.
it's nice to give me those stats for heteros(if they're true). Now give me the stats for gays and aids. Actually, I'll google that for you and have it to you shortly.
No, I'm saying that we all should be cautious about the way we act. It would be a great benefit to the gay community if all bathhouses were shut down. I asked straight ppl their reasons for voting yes on prop 8, they all gave me the same answers: promiscous behavior by gay men.
in other words, you want to have unprotected sex with hundred of women (oops, you already did) but you don't want gays to be allowed their bathhouses and that is why you feel gays should not be allowed to have civil marriage? you think keeping them apart and not in committed marriages is better how exactly? while i agree bathhouses are a horrible thing, and just like you have a right to have unprotected sex with hundreds of women, gays should have the equal right to choose what's best for them..
yes, bathhouses are disgusting I'm glad we agree there. There a big difference between straight and gay relationships. Ironcally I just saw in the news tonight that gays are still trying to overturn prop 8. Don't you agree that if they act more decent, there chances of overturning prop 8 will be better? The people of California have spoken and prop 8 will stand!
anyway i don't bring up the fact that you've fornicated with so many women to be judgmental or critical, but to illustrate the fact that that is something i or anyone else might find morally objectionable (just like you might find same sex marriage), but that shouldn''t give us the right to then say you can not marry your life partner even though we might argue that that promiscuity with multiple unprotected partners might lead to stds & other unfavorable consequences on society... get my point?
Ok so if gay men aren't allowed to marry and settle down, that gives them the right to continue being promiscous, going to bathhouses and spread Aids? No, the reason prop8 passed is because of the promiscous nature of many gay men. Yes on prop8 now and forever.
pls give me the names of bathhouses that cater to us straight guys and girls where we can go meet stranger women for anonymous sex. swinger parties are never open to the public, they're always private and they know everyone there. gay men's bathhouses are open to any irresponsible gay man that walks off the street. So pls provide me names of straight bathhouses. Gays don't cheat on their lovers? lol.
& FYI, there are plenty of straight anonymous sex clubs. Perhaps if you googled "sex club" you will find thousands, and yes, many are open and housed in their own venues. I spent less than 60 seconds on google and found these 3 resources for anonymous hetero sex:
clubfa(dot)com
powerexchange(dot)com
And to find one in your home state/neighborhood there's:
LOL, you gotta be jokin! these places are private swinger clubs and the powerexchange is only one open in the whole country. These places are for couples only. Again, I need to know where I, as a straight single man can go to a bathhouse type setting, find a stranger lady and have anonymous sex with her. Not a whorehouse either. I need to know the name of an exact equivalent to a gay bathhouse. I googled bathhouses and all that comes up are gay bathhouses. pls try again. good luck.
anal walls tear upon first penetration, just like the hymen of the vagina. Also, condems allow for reasonable protection against most bacterial STDs, like HIV or Gonnorhea, but not Crabs. So no, YOU read a book on anatomy.
I know, we should totally stop those hetero married couples from having anal sex!!! And those kids who take virginity promises but end up having anal sex instead of vaginal just so they can get off and still claim they're virgins!!!
....wait...that was who you were talking about, right...
idiot. whats this got to do with whores pretending to be virgins. anal sex is retarded and dangerous. gays are abnormal, and are most times the result of child abuse. black people are born black.
MORMONS DON'T WANT GAY PEOPLE AROUND THEM THEY MIGHT GET CONTAMINATED!
"We do not intend to admit to our campus any homosexuals. If any of you have this tendency and have not completely abandoned it, may I suggest that you leave the university immediately after this assembly.... We do not want others on this campus to be contaminated by your presence." (Ernest Wilkinson, president of Brigham Young University, in a 1965 lecture to the BYU student body, titled: "Make Honor your Standard."
so should we get some people to crucify you and let you die and see if you can rise again? i am sure you could get a federal holiday in your honnor. of course you would not be the original but i am sure some are dying to find out.
hey uncle it amazes me that people say that humans invented marriage but can only say maybe this happen maybe that. why do people take Jesus name in vain? (ROM 2:24)the bible talks about that but, oh yea ,humans KnoW better.
still avoid wheather Jesus is intolerant or not. i will continue to point it out. THE ISSUE IS YOU TELL US YOUR A BIGOT BUT WE SIMPLE BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID.
ogay guys. so Jesus Christ claimed to be God in the flesh. thus, HE is the creator of marriage and HE is the one that can defines what he created. his definition is "therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall become one flesh" so to those that support gay marriage it is not christians, but Jesus Christ that you consider hateful, and a bigot, because he is the one that limites marriage between a man and a woman. take it up with him
Jesus didn't create marriage numbnuts, humans did. More than likely it was the Japanese, as they were among the first to form a civilized society. Besides Jesus also said "Jesus answered, 'Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.'"
There you have it. He says clear as day it's okay to treat people different simply because they're different. Now like I told Javier, go tell someone who gives a fuck.
Well Javier, YOUR lifestyle is morally wrong! You must repent from the wickedness of Christianity and come to Allah! A voice came to me in a dream last night and told me these things so I know its true! And if you do not heed my words then your heart is hardened...
...What I just typed above makes about as much sense as the reasons people like you spout as to why homosexuality is wrong. If you want people to listen to you, maybe you should come up with some RATIONAL reasoning.
Well I feel sorry for those people who you have duped into a life of lonliness and sadness just so you can feel good about yourself. Do you honestly believe someone is better off spending the rest of his life alone than with another man in a committed, loving relationship?
They are in loving relationships with whom? Members of the opposite sex? It's gonna be a real shock for their mates when they go back to having sex with the same sex. Brainwashing doesn't last forever.
There are hundreds of these examples... Compassion and love is everything... Discussion gays is a deeper issue than the soundbites we hear on Youtube...
Being gay is cured by compassion and love? Then why am I not straight, because I have both. Your idea of "love" is to constantly tell someone that there is something wrong with him and that he needs ot fix it because if he doesn't he's going straight to hell.
You're entitled to think that eventhough you are completely wrong. However, you are not entitled to strip away people's civil rights based on your religious beliefs. Prop 8 was shameful!
Why must people try and force their religious beliefs on others. If some had their way, we'd have state sponsored religion. But we have freedom of religion in this country, including the right to not participate in religion.
Why should everyone follow your religious opinions and not someone else's? Can you prove yours is right? You can't. Why do you think there are so many denominations?
Many believe a woman not covering her head is morally wrong, perhaps we should write that into law.
So I assume if voters made it law that all Californians must attend Catholic church every Sunday or face fine or imprisonment that wouldn't be forcing beliefs either.
I don't have much of a problem with laws based on rational thought. But when folks start making their religious opinions into laws that negatively impact me, I have a real problem with that.
Gays are always being told to keep their sexuality to themselves. How about keeping your religious beliefs to yourself.
While we would like to say laws are based on rational though, almost all laws are based on normative philosophies and values that are not codified....
You do not have to believe in a God or sacred book to have a religion. Essentially it is belief system vs. belief system...
The majority of laws are based on protecting individuals either from themselves or each other. Rape is illegal because it physically and mentally harms the victim. Theft is illegal because the loss of property harms the victim. Heroin is illegal because it severely harms the person using it and possibly others around him.
You have yet to show how homosexuality or gays being allowed to marry harms anyone at all outside of your opinion of what your idea of God thinks of it.
Equal rights!!!
cheezpleaze105 2 weeks ago
Samuel Jackson voiced it, therefore No on 8 is correct.
Eterna1snow 1 month ago
They had Samuel L. Jackson on their side, and they still didn't win. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
CrunchBogus 1 month ago
People who are against civil rights:
Watch out, Samuel L. Jackson shall "strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger."
DoctorWeeTodd 3 months ago
It's a constitutional amendment to separate church from state. Basically meaning that if a church does not want to marry gay couples then they don't have to. Because if they are forced to then are we really separating church from state or are we using excuses for churches to go against what they preach. I don't care either way for gay couples to marry, just don't force churches to do things they are against. There have been plenty churches opposed to interracial couples marrying.
TheJadedblack 4 months ago
samuel l jackson, I fucking love you.
cloneable 1 year ago
Prop 8 is not unfair and wrong. One question Id like to ask him is how do u justify all the hate that comes from the opposition? Wut about people losing their jobs just for their personal beliefs? Wut about churches losing their tax exemptions for refusing to allow gay marriage ceremonies. How hypocritical.
andrewiscool100able 1 year ago
@andrewiscool100able Has a church actually lost its tax exempt status for refusing to perform a marriage ceremony for a same sex couple? I hadn't heard about that and would love a link if you could provide it as if that is happening it is no good. I personally have no problem with homosexuals in civil unions/marriages as recognized by the state but churches should not be legislated by the federal government if that is indeed happening.
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@andrewiscool100able slavery is not unfair and wrong. One question Id like to ask him is how do u justify all the hate that comes from the opposition? Wut about people losing their jobs just for their personal beliefs? Wut about whites losing their workers for refusing to allow blacks to become free. How hypocritical.
idaman12345 9 months ago
@andrewiscool100able If churches do not follow state law by allowing same sex couples to marry, then yes they should loose their tax exeptions. What if a church didnt want to marry an interracial couple? Is a church wrong then? It sounds like the same thing to me. Yes you can have your opinions whether same-sex marriage is right or wrong, but if your a state regulated church, then you need to follow state law, no matter what your beliefs are.
KIDSunglass 8 months ago
im not sure if churchs can be forced to do that, even interracial couples. after all, many will not allow female priests, or male nuns, for example. sexism is pretty common in the churches, and as far as i know, is not challenged by any state laws.
payasoinfeliz 5 months ago
@andrewiscool100able prop h8 denies equal rights to all
so it is unfair and very wrong
mermaidsareppl222 4 months ago
Mr. Jackson, you rock!!!
silverlakeshine 1 year ago
Celebrities should not be doing political videos. It's their job to entertain us not promote propositions. They are not experts on history, or politics. Someone should have made a video with one of the judges that made gay marriage legal in California.
TeenParodyInc 1 year ago
@TeenParodyInc and you shouldn't be making comments. You are not an expert on these matters.
DoctorWeeTodd 1 year ago 2
@TeenParodyInc Like it or not, celebrities are the demagogues and high priests of the new generation. More Americans voted for American Idol than their own Senators on average so to say that an enterprising political party shouldn't use them is ridiculous. The charisma and power a celebrity holds is a powerful tool in getting a point across and convincing people. Sadly most Americans wouldn't even recognize even a Supreme Court judge if one was shown.
Cajaquarius 1 year ago
I knew this mother fucker Samuel l jackson was gay (narrating this crap), who else who was not gay would have films lining up all the way to frigging 2012, he is clearly fucking some powerful ass in hollywood
affiliate30 2 years ago
If doing a narration for a stance makes one gay then what does viewing this video make you?
mcnuggetssmcnuggetss 2 years ago 5
are you sure you read my whole comment?
affiliate30 2 years ago
Prop 8 won't always be law in California because most are realizing that they have been lied and manipulated by the Morons about Gay people. Prop 8 passed by only 52%, and how many people were manipulated? The numbers can change drastically. Prop 8 is discrimination, period. Keep your damn religion out of my life, geez! WTF! Oh, the Morons, they did not invent civil marriage. Civil marriage is an inherited practice of civil law from the Pagan people and all citizens were treated equally.
oKawaUSA 2 years ago 2
People just need to keep their biblical doctrine to themselves, and we wouldn't have all this discrimination. My marriage has nothing to do with your marriage, etc. The bible embraces to much of what we view today as wrong, but some are still living with archaic beliefs. Hypocrisy runs rampant with in various sects, so they need to create a target and that target is Gay people of whom the Bible never even condemned any more than it did other people. In fact, natural Eunuchs were praised.
oKawaUSA 2 years ago
Then why do so many staunchly atheist people and countries oppose homosexual marriage as well? Why did the USSR, China, North Korea, and Vietnam, all strictly godless and imposed bans on religion, then at the same time ban homosexuality period.
detachment345 2 years ago
As a Black girl saying this, please don't compare interracial marriage to gay marriage. There's nothing alike!
xtrashed 2 years ago
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't. Gay people are human beings just like you girl. Their sexual relationships are no different, except that they have that relationship with a person of the same sex. The problem is people have their head in the gutter. Wake up! My own family members had been taken to US concentration camps, and my parents were an interracial couple. The discrimination Gay people face is the same kind of discrimination. Discrimination toward people is the same.
oKawaUSA 2 years ago
@xtrashed, of course, you're right. The interracial couple whose wedding I witnessed in 1993 had both had relationships with members of their own race. The husband had even married a member of his own race and divorced her. Gays and lesbians have no alternative. Thanks for reminding the us all that the lack of same sex marriage is a greater injustice than the prohibitions against interracial marriage. ;-)
BasilTheBasilisk 2 years ago
what about god you know thats why this place is getting worse as time goes on i believe in god and being gay is unexceptable their taking god out of every thing now nothing matter no more standards or morals in this country everyone sit back and watch every thing unfold may god have mercy on all of us i dont care if your gay or not marrage is is a union before god and a whole city was burned down because of it so let them be gay but dont envolve god in it
yatabarry5 2 years ago
acceptable*
Ckamden 2 years ago
@Ckamden what excactly do u mean
yatabarry5 2 years ago
Talk about alleged "bathhouse" I know of several clubs were alleged "str8" people go for sex, so don't be fooled about your puritan "str8" friends. Just because some one might go to a house to have sex doesn't mean you can't have sex in a car. How old are you... There's brothels, there's swing clubs, give me a break!
oKawaUSA 2 years ago
Tired of those Yes on 8 types of people! First they act like it's about their religion and religious fatwa's for their gods sake, yet in the court of civil law they don't mention this crap! So sick of that hypocrisy! I've heard it when I converted to Christianity, but all I seen were a bunch of hypocrites for 4 years of my own dedicated life. Thank the spirits that I saw the light and left Christianity. It's nice to be in a free country where we can choose our own religious paths.
oKawaUSA 2 years ago
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now that prop 8 has passed we have a more tolerant society :)
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crispycrappy33 2 years ago
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This is stupid why the hell are there gay people in the first place.
Chicken10843 2 years ago
I meant to give this a 5 but I clicked a lower rating by accident. It's a great video. :)
Lectriece 2 years ago 2
I have...is something wrong with that? And so have a lot of women, thanks to sex toys.
imaligergrr 2 years ago
Last week in American Idol Simon, Paula, Randy and Kara said fuck you to the Ameircan voters and brought back Matt. I hope soon the California Supreme Court will say fuck you to the Californian voters and bring gay marriage back.
ziv5000 2 years ago 2
OK let me point out America is not theocry and it will never be one which means Religions should not have factors in any of our laws. The bible the coran or any other holy book should not have any effect on peoples if they not hold it as there religious text. What if one day lets say pagans were the majority in America over christens and they want christens to be expelled from the us for there beliefs. face it if you lost majority in the states your just be a group of sad fucks.
Xicuzab 2 years ago 7
Yes, The hate Mongering Christian bigots do flag videos, and the do worse, they VOTE to get our marriages eliminated!
jeffpgagnon 2 years ago
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jeffpgagnon,
That's not just Christian BIGOTS! That's Jew Jesus GAY Ted Haggard TRASH! I see very clearly on who are the BIGOTS!
They are GAY and Jewish Christians! They are all BIGOTS! If STRAIGHT and ATHEIST East Asian Man like me, say I don't support GAY BS and Christian BS!
Suddenly, I'm a RACIST under these two BIGOTS of the SAME KIND! Goddamn GAY SHIT.... get the FUCK out our East Asian American LIFESTYLE!
IronJackalTw 2 years ago
Yes - suddenly, you are a racist and a bigot!
If you're into gay shit - maybe you should use some toilet paper.
And feel free to FUCK all the East Asians you want - you're still a racist bigot!
jeffpgagnon 2 years ago
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jeffpgagnon,
Go torture more of the Iraqi People and stack them naked like cheerleaders!
GAY PEOPLE are just sick people!!
IronJackalTw 2 years ago
you're even more ignorant than redportiaone!
jeffpgagnon 2 years ago
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jeffpgagnon,
We already won! Go back to your GAY BARS and work up the next scheme like Barnard Madoff!
IronJackalTw 2 years ago
why is the gay community always trying to equate their perversion to civil rights? black people fought for a legit cause. gays choose their perverted lifestyle.
Lastly, if gays want the respect of us str8 people, they should close down them disgusting bathhouses and other perversions they participate in. Live a more respectable lifestyle and I guarantee you, we will support your cause. thank you.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Were you BORN this ignorant, or did someone teach you to be this hateful?
1. You mean "your perversions" -
2. Choose to be gay? Did you choose to be straight?
3. What do you KNOW about bathhouses? Spend much time there, do you?
We think you're a HOT ATHLETE in your own mind only!
jeffpgagnon 2 years ago
Ok, then I believe you don't choose to be gay. But why the promiscuity? What's the point behind having bathhouses open? Are there bathhouses for men to meet women so we can have casual open sex? No, cuz we're responsible. Like I said I respect if you're gay and were born that way. Just tell your fella gayboys to project a better image of themselves in public and we'll have more respect for you.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
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hotathlete2,
YOU are so right! GAY PEOPLE profit so much out this Iraq War! They are living it RICH while the STRAIGHT PEOPLE are robbed blinded!
Are we even surprised that Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and so on are GAY! These GAY PEOPLE have built up a WAR CHEST to fund their GAY AGENDA!
Now, these GAY PEOPLE have switch side again to the Liberal to promote their GAY AGENDA with the DIRTY MONEY they acquired during the Iraq War!
This is the TRUTH about GAY PEOPLE!
IronJackalTw 2 years ago
No Matter How You Feel,
STOP BASHING ONE ANOTHER THRU COMMENTS.
efrisina 2 years ago
that statement is in itself an insult towards yourself. anal SEX is dangerous, as the walls of the anus are thinner and susceptible to tearing, thus infection/ spread of STDs. read a book on spelling, then about anatomy :)
sintetsu 2 years ago
This is ridiculous, ask any doctor and they will tell you that anal sex, while not for everyone, can be a fulfilling part of a couple's love making. If two consenting adults want to try it then lube, patience, and a condom (to prevent STDs just like with oral and vaginal sex) are all they need.
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago
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there is actually no proof EVER that gays are "born that way". that itself is a tale made up by leftist puppeteers. and hey, why dont YOU actually ask a doctor about anal sex and how harmful it is? clearly you have no idea what youre talking about. just like every other pro-gay ape.
sintetsu 2 years ago
So where is your proof that gays are born straight?
......................Still waiting, cause it doesn't exist!!!
There are in fact studies that show a clear BIOLOGICAL difference between gays and straights. We are talking get out a ruler and measure it stuff. While the source of these differences have not been found, research is ongoing to find a BIOLOGICAL cause.
news*dot*bbc*dot*co*dot*uk/2/hi/health/7456588*dot*stm
BTW- I have friends who are doctors & what I told you IS what they said!
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago
actually, there are NO conclusive studies showing that gays are "born that way" k? done being insecure and retarded? cool. i, just like you, can say that i have friends who are doctors who laugh at those who try to say that gays are genetically influenced. actually, they all say that gays are the result of sexual abuse and/ or lack of a father. :)
sintetsu 2 years ago
So you can't prove that gays are born straight? Can you prove why they are BIOLOGICALLY different from straights of the same sex? Can you show one scientific study to back up anything you claim?
The problem with people on your side of this issue is you throw around these theories and talking points but you never prove it with legitimate studies- CAUSE YOU CAN'T!
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago
what you just said, can be pointed right back at you. gays are born with...prepare yourself... REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. so where in your idiotic "argument" can you prove that gays are born gay? youre a lot dumber than most of the frail minded leftists i constantly own.
sintetsu 2 years ago
I can prove that there are BIOLOGICAL differences between gays & straights (see the article I already cited) which leads us to theorize that there is some cause for homosexuality outside of choice. For your side either nearly every single gay person is lying when they say that they were born that way or it is the truth.
Plenty of people are born with reproductive organs who CHOOSE not to use them for procreation- do you fault the straight couple who don't have children for choosing to do so?
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago
actually every study that tries to legitimize homosexuality as genetic, has been either debunked or discredited. idiot. people who are in hetero relationships use their reproductive organs. gays...do not.
sintetsu 2 years ago
hmm...i guess I must be some sort of mutation because I grew up with a fantastic, very masculine father, and was never abused..........so..............your point is pretty much moot.
imaligergrr 2 years ago 2
Good then. Us straights are disgusted by the promiscous lifestyle. Closed down the bathhouses and we'll have more respect for you. Have a monogamous relationship with your lover and don't have 5000 lovers at the local bathhouses. Yes there are bio differences between us str8's and you gay men.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
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rainbowpollution 2 years ago
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The hedonists couldn't bare to be without their bathhouses.
CHARESTHEHAMER 2 years ago
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hedonism seems to be more common among gay men than straight men.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Is that based off personal experience or did the TV tell you to think that?
bkshp 2 years ago
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personal experience? anything to do with homosickuality, I surely have no experience with that. REJOICE, PROP 8 HAS BEEN WITHHELD TODAY!
hotathlete2 2 years ago
@hotathlete2 do you speak from experience? lol
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
No, do you? I don't know what experience you're talking about. I'm voicing my concern about irresponsible promiscous behaviors.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
@hotathlete2 you forget just like homosexual, heterosexuals are swingers and lead promiscuous lifestyles. In fact, lets take a look at our Christian conservative lawmakers, like Sanford, Sen. John Ensign, Newt Gingrich and now Stanley...... ALL HETEROSEXUAL ADULTERERS who have cheated on their wives and disgraced their children and we ALL know that's the tip of the hypocritical iceberg.
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
Yes but the perversions you gay men participate involve deadly diseases like Aids. Also whenever I point out a perverse act committed by a gay man, I get no support from any gay man. In fact, I'm told to shut up and mind my own bizz. When I point out a perverse act of a str8 person, I will get the support of the majority of the str8 community. This tells me you gay men need help.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
@hotathlete2 actually, i am a heterosexual woman, but thank you for the generalization and accusation. it REALLY shows me you haven't pre-judged opinions that differ from your own, lol. lets be clear, i don't know of any sexual contact, hetero or homo that doesn't involve risk. are you claiming AIDS is a disease strictly of gay perversion? are you willing to accuse the HUGE NUMBERS of those suffering from the illness in Africa of being perverts?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
and who's to say your infatuation with homosexual anal sex isn't a perversion in itself? point being, homos AND heteros who involve in risky behavior suffer from STDS, period. it's just too easy to blame it on everyone but ourselves. lastly, perhaps you get "no support" from the gays because every comment of yours has been a disgusting generalization of the ENTIRE gay community or has started with a personal attack and goes downhill from there...
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
it's not an infactuation, it's called a concern for disease controls. straight and gay perversions are everyone's business. Even before I posted all those comments, I was told by the gays to mind my own business. ie., I pointed out a gay man that has an obsession with nambla and the gays here would tell me it's none of my business. All perversions are everyone's business.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Name-calling and generalizations are NOT "concern." If you were so "concerned" you wouldn't be spending your time antagonizing and belittling "perverts, hedonists, and those who frequent bathhouses" (as your familiarity with that lifestyle has pointed out) anonymously over the internet, you would be volunteering and providing outreach to those disenfranchised groups.
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
And if everyone's perversions are everyone's business, please list all of your sexual experiences and partners as I'm sure there are many who would like to know as it is their business. Surely, you must have had many, as a name like "hotathlete" CAN'T be some advertisement of a sexually suggestive nature. You do not mean over-heated athlete, do you?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
there's not enough room here to list all my sexual experiences w/ ladies. It numbers in the 100's. I lived through the 80's and 90's bedding ladies with no condoms. Now i'm not proud of that, I do use protection now. Oddly enough, I haven't contracted any std's.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Thank you, you've just proven my point. Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your very last comment stated "I'm voicing my concern about irresponsible promiscous behaviors," and yet in your next comment you brag about having had unprotected sex with hundreds of women and state that sex is one of your main interests on your YOUTUBE profile. Given the fact that more than 1 in 10 heterosexual women have an STD they do not know about, I somehow doubt your claim...
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
why have I not contracted any communicable diseases? Don't you think it be much different if that were gay sex? One in ten straight women have an std? Do you?
hotathlete2 2 years ago
willing to submit a blood test? lol. 1 in 4 women have type2 genital herpes HSV-2, 1 in 8 men carry the virus. that is just 1 STD of hundreds. i HIGHLY suggest u fact check ur claims at cdc(dot)gov. it also only takes 1 encounter to contract a disease. the fact is u had 100's of unprotected partners but claim no stds. either ur a liar or the luckiest guy in the world to dodge those bullets, but that doesn't really help ur "concern about irresponsible promiscous behaviors," does it?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
No, I'm one of many straight men that has bedded many ladies and clean of stds. I did get the crabs once but that went away with some ointment the doc gave me. Case in point, Elvis bedded over 10,000 women in one year and was never known to have contracted aids. and yes I get tested for stds once a year during my physical exams. I'm clean.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Elvis died prematurely of a drug overdose. There is no proof either way. Had he lived longer, maybe some of those STD symptoms would have come to fruition. I bet you're gonna tell me that since we didn't have visual proof, it didn't exist, right? Listen, I'm not trying to argue with you, but you can't tell me there's no double standard where guys think they can have hundred of unprotected partners, but when us women do it we're sluts or when gays do it they're promiscuous disease bags...
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
Elvis died of a heart attack from taking prescription drugs. All thru the 50's,60's and early 70's he was sleeping w/ many women even b4 condoms came out. There was plenty of time for the virus to multiply in his body. What about rock hudson? liberace? dack rambo? the virus caught up with them. and of course they were gay.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Elvis died in 1977. AIDS was first identified in the USA in 1981. All three of the gays you mentioned died during the gay AIDS pandemic of the 80's (actually, '85 or after). They were not his contemporaries. AIDS is horrible and the fact that you brought it up as a reason to deny gays equal rights just doesn't make sense to me. Should certain large hetero populations of Africans not be allowed to marry because they are carriers and spread the virus?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
There are other famous straight men that bedded many women. Warren Beatty and many others in hollywood that were sexually active during the sexual revolution. These actors are still w/ us today. When aids was discovered in 81, scientist named it gay related immuned deficiency syndrome cuz they saw that mainly gay men were infected w/ this disease. Yes Aids is horrible and we all should be more responisble. this is why bathhouses serve no purpose for anyone.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
It was never named that. That was a proposed name, which was rejected since it didn't correspond to reality. I suppose you do know that "patient zero" for AIDS was a heterosexual Dutch woman? And the fact that the overwhelming number of transmissions of the virus every year come from heterosexual sex?
thanatos101b 2 years ago
No, the original name for aids was grids, google it. Pls send me proof of your claims. I'll be happy to send proof of my statements. Why is it that most deceased gay men died of aids. and if they're still alive, they're at risk of acquiring the disease. that's fact.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
HA! Your googlefu is terrible. Look up "The History of AIDS and ARC." Bwah-ha-ha! Why is it that only 5% of gay men have AIDS, and almost all of those are in the "Down Low" population? You are at risk. That's a fact.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
5% of gay men have aids? not true. you're sending a very bad message to them that they can continue living irresponsibly. Again, I'm str8 and all through the 80' and 90's I had a lot of unprotected sex with ladies. If I were a gay man, I wouldn't be so fortunate. Again, send to me the source of this 5% and that most aids carriers contracted aids through straight sex.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Actually very true. Have you ever heard of Africa? Ever? It's a big old continent. Lots of people on it. Lots of people with AIDS. To quote the HIV Vaccine Trials Network, "Worldwide, 85% of new HIV infections are acquired heterosexually, with the greatest number in sub-Saharan Africa. In the United States, 31% of new infections are passed through heterosexual contact."
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Is the 31% in the US being passed through sexual contact? No, It's passed through shared needles, prostitutes and bisexual men that sleep with women. and aids is not a 3rd world disease. There are more aids cases in the US among gay men than there are aids cases among straight men in latin countries. This tells me it's a gay disease. another fact to cry about.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Ummm, did you bother to read? 31% is heterosexual contact. Why, exactly, are you even bringing Latin America into this? Once again, did you read at all? "Sub-Saharan Africa."
You should probably learn to read before deciding what something in writing tells you. Another fact to cry about.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I brought up latin america(where I was born) cuz people call aids a 3rd world disease. and it's a fact that aids is more prevalent among gay white males in the US than straight latin men. Note too how aids got into the hetero community by women who slept with bisexual men. this is fact.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
I didn't call AIDS a 3rd world disease, neither did anyone else as far as I can tell. And I love how you are now arbitrarily limiting the terms of the conversation once you were proven wrong. No, AIDS got to the heterosexual community by Africans who ate bushmeat. This is a fact.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
It's true that aids originated in Africa, yes. What's important is how it was spread and it was spread thru gay anal sex, this is fact. I tried to send you the web address to an article from the CDC, and somehow youtube isn't allowing that. If you can provide to me a fax number or your email address, I'd be happy to send that article to you. It's a fact. Try to google search: aids and gay community. It'll be there in print or just give me your email address, i can scan and send it.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
No. It was spread (85% of the time to be exact) by heterosexual sex. Then often by sharing needles, and blood transfusion. Then a minuscule amount of the time by male to male sexual contact. That's a fact.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
you have my email address, send me the article, the proof please.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
The most vulnerable group to receive AIDS are heterosexual African or African American women.
Being gay doesn't have anything to do with how it's transmitted as you can get it just as easily through your so called "normal" sex.
DoctorWeeTodd 2 years ago
No, UR very wrong. According to the center for disease control, gay men run the highest risk of catching the aids virus cuz of high risk type sex U all participate in. I'm sorry but this fact. 75% of all aids cases in industrialized countries are gay men. Don't believe? I'll be happy to send you the article from the cdc. The bathhouses are a lure for the aids virus.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
They're 75% of the men, but 49% of the entire HIV population are African in descent.
DoctorWeeTodd 2 years ago
yes, 75% of aids carriers in the industrialized countries are gay men. fact.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
@hotathlete2
But doesn't marriage encourage monogamy? Wouldn't monogamy reduce the spread of AIDS?
AIDS is the perfect aguement in favor of GAY MARRIAGE.
SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE REDUCE THE SPREAD OF AIDS!
neenerpuss 2 years ago
I can't quite understand who U are. Are you a lady, transgender or post op transexual? You seem to be so defensive of gay men. Many str8 and lesbian women I speak w/ are disgusted w/ the way gay men behave.
And I accidentally sent you an Elvis video. I know you hate Elvis cuz he was str8. Just disregard it.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Wow, the people you hang out with agree with you. That couldn't be a sampling bias.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I hang out with mostly str8 people and responsible people.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Way to miss a point...
thanatos101b 2 years ago
thanks for the article. it's says that most of the aids cases are still from male to male gay sex contact. Thanks for confirming that for me. aids cases decreased among gay men since '85 but still according to the chart, gay men still have the highest percentage among all the groups.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
And now you are just lying. If you refuse to tell the truth, then there is no point in talking to you.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
How can documented proof be a lie hun? it's written on the article. What in the article is a lie? Know that those articles have to be proofread for facts during editing. No, please, I like talking to you sweetie.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
As far as the 5% number, you have to do the math yourself. Take the CDC's report, divide by the information from the census bureau factored in for information from psychological surveys... and you get 5%.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
and I grew up with many promiscous straight guys that bedded many women with no condoms. these guys are all still with us today and healthy as jack la lane. I'm not bragging about no condoms, but if these guys were in gay bathhouse dwellers, it would be a totally different story.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
I like how your narrow anecdotal experience coupled with hypotheticals is supposed to be what we believe. I'd try working on a more reality-based approach.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
cutting and pasting from an article from the cdc is a reality based approach. Those are the facts for you. You haven't presented to me any solid proof like that.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
and get your facts straight.I just googled searched patient zero was a canadian airline steward that was gay. His name was gaetan dugas. He's believed to be the first aids patient. He was believed to have been responsible for bring the aids virus to north america. again research before posting your comments.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Once more you should actually try finding good sources, not whatever trash pops up in a google search. The very fact that you brought up Dugas shows how utterly without merit your facts are. The first AIDS cases showed up in the late 50's and were a Dutch woman and an English man. Dugas didn't even bring HIV to North America. It had traveled from the Congo to Hatti to mainland America by the 70's.
Seriously, you need to think before you type.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
great, send me the proof of your claim, the source, the date etc.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
Sorry, she was Danish, not Dutch. But look up Grethe Rask.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
it's nice to give me those stats for heteros(if they're true). Now give me the stats for gays and aids. Actually, I'll google that for you and have it to you shortly.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
wait, i'm confused. are you saying it's ok to be promiscuous as long as you're heterosexual and don't contract aids?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
No, I'm saying that we all should be cautious about the way we act. It would be a great benefit to the gay community if all bathhouses were shut down. I asked straight ppl their reasons for voting yes on prop 8, they all gave me the same answers: promiscous behavior by gay men.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
in other words, you want to have unprotected sex with hundred of women (oops, you already did) but you don't want gays to be allowed their bathhouses and that is why you feel gays should not be allowed to have civil marriage? you think keeping them apart and not in committed marriages is better how exactly? while i agree bathhouses are a horrible thing, and just like you have a right to have unprotected sex with hundreds of women, gays should have the equal right to choose what's best for them..
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
yes, bathhouses are disgusting I'm glad we agree there. There a big difference between straight and gay relationships. Ironcally I just saw in the news tonight that gays are still trying to overturn prop 8. Don't you agree that if they act more decent, there chances of overturning prop 8 will be better? The people of California have spoken and prop 8 will stand!
hotathlete2 2 years ago
anyway i don't bring up the fact that you've fornicated with so many women to be judgmental or critical, but to illustrate the fact that that is something i or anyone else might find morally objectionable (just like you might find same sex marriage), but that shouldn''t give us the right to then say you can not marry your life partner even though we might argue that that promiscuity with multiple unprotected partners might lead to stds & other unfavorable consequences on society... get my point?
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
@hotathlete2
Gay man are promiscous so we shouldnt encourage them to settle down and become monogamous?
Your logic is unrational.
Marriage equality NOW!
neenerpuss 2 years ago
Ok so if gay men aren't allowed to marry and settle down, that gives them the right to continue being promiscous, going to bathhouses and spread Aids? No, the reason prop8 passed is because of the promiscous nature of many gay men. Yes on prop8 now and forever.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
pls give me the names of bathhouses that cater to us straight guys and girls where we can go meet stranger women for anonymous sex. swinger parties are never open to the public, they're always private and they know everyone there. gay men's bathhouses are open to any irresponsible gay man that walks off the street. So pls provide me names of straight bathhouses. Gays don't cheat on their lovers? lol.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
& FYI, there are plenty of straight anonymous sex clubs. Perhaps if you googled "sex club" you will find thousands, and yes, many are open and housed in their own venues. I spent less than 60 seconds on google and found these 3 resources for anonymous hetero sex:
clubfa(dot)com
powerexchange(dot)com
And to find one in your home state/neighborhood there's:
swinglifestyle(dot)com/swingers/clubs
str8talkexpress 2 years ago
LOL, you gotta be jokin! these places are private swinger clubs and the powerexchange is only one open in the whole country. These places are for couples only. Again, I need to know where I, as a straight single man can go to a bathhouse type setting, find a stranger lady and have anonymous sex with her. Not a whorehouse either. I need to know the name of an exact equivalent to a gay bathhouse. I googled bathhouses and all that comes up are gay bathhouses. pls try again. good luck.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
@hotathlete2
Are you jealous, horny or just plain stupid?
neenerpuss 2 years ago
what would I be jealous of? I happen to be a horny str8 man but that's beside the point. Prop8 will always be the law in Cali.
hotathlete2 2 years ago
anal walls tear upon first penetration, just like the hymen of the vagina. Also, condems allow for reasonable protection against most bacterial STDs, like HIV or Gonnorhea, but not Crabs. So no, YOU read a book on anatomy.
imaligergrr 2 years ago
If you don't want our anal walls to tear, stop shoving your bullshit up our asses!
jeffpgagnon 2 years ago
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Yes on prop 8!!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
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whats wrong is two people with reproductive organs choosing to live perverted abnormal lifestyles.
sintetsu 2 years ago
I know, we should totally stop those hetero married couples from having anal sex!!! And those kids who take virginity promises but end up having anal sex instead of vaginal just so they can get off and still claim they're virgins!!!
....wait...that was who you were talking about, right...
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago
idiot. whats this got to do with whores pretending to be virgins. anal sex is retarded and dangerous. gays are abnormal, and are most times the result of child abuse. black people are born black.
sintetsu 2 years ago
...and gay people are born gay, you are reading bad intel or listening to old wives tale if you believe it comes from abuse.
ColumbiaLibertas 2 years ago 2
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zperra 2 years ago
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fucking faggots
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slackmacker24 3 years ago
Much better than attacking Mormons.
FlamingBat 3 years ago
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MORMONS DON'T WANT GAY PEOPLE AROUND THEM THEY MIGHT GET CONTAMINATED!
"We do not intend to admit to our campus any homosexuals. If any of you have this tendency and have not completely abandoned it, may I suggest that you leave the university immediately after this assembly.... We do not want others on this campus to be contaminated by your presence." (Ernest Wilkinson, president of Brigham Young University, in a 1965 lecture to the BYU student body, titled: "Make Honor your Standard."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
i have made my first video
it is called The gay awaking
RepresentingTruth 3 years ago
brandon say "I claim to be God in the flesh.
And I say Gay Marriage is ok.
So yeah. Failed argument"
so should we get some people to crucify you and let you die and see if you can rise again? i am sure you could get a federal holiday in your honnor. of course you would not be the original but i am sure some are dying to find out.
RepresentingTruth 3 years ago
Representing, if you can prove that ANYONE has risen after being dead 3 days then then you might get the Nobel Prize!
Permaglo 3 years ago
yes Jesus Christ claim the before Abraham was I AM.
RepresentingTruth 3 years ago
hey uncle it amazes me that people say that humans invented marriage but can only say maybe this happen maybe that. why do people take Jesus name in vain? (ROM 2:24)the bible talks about that but, oh yea ,humans KnoW better.
still avoid wheather Jesus is intolerant or not. i will continue to point it out. THE ISSUE IS YOU TELL US YOUR A BIGOT BUT WE SIMPLE BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID.
RepresentingTruth 3 years ago
So do you believe that Jesus and the christian god invented marriage then?
ColumbiaLibertas 3 years ago
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ogay guys. so Jesus Christ claimed to be God in the flesh. thus, HE is the creator of marriage and HE is the one that can defines what he created. his definition is "therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall become one flesh" so to those that support gay marriage it is not christians, but Jesus Christ that you consider hateful, and a bigot, because he is the one that limites marriage between a man and a woman. take it up with him
RepresentingTruth 3 years ago
Jesus didn't create marriage numbnuts, humans did. More than likely it was the Japanese, as they were among the first to form a civilized society. Besides Jesus also said "Jesus answered, 'Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.'"
There you have it. He says clear as day it's okay to treat people different simply because they're different. Now like I told Javier, go tell someone who gives a fuck.
UncleFriis 3 years ago
I claim to be God in the flesh.
And I say Gay Marriage is ok.
So yeah. Failed argument.
BrandonHarami 3 years ago
A primer on Javier's circular argument:
"Gay marriage is immoral and wrong."
But Javier, it isn't wrong. Who does it hurt?
"I side with God because the Bible says it's wrong."
But Javier, the BIble also condones sex slavery, genocide, says the world is flat...
"This is a Christian nation and Christians oppose gay marriage."
But the data shows that support for civil unions and same-sex marriage is growing, despite Prop. 8...
"Gay marriage will always be immoral and wrong."
*Rinse, repeat*
Ralph1Waldo 3 years ago
Ralph you have posted this same message like in 4 other videos...
I never repeat the same things...when I engage in a dialogue I reply to new reponses and we continue to talk
...the weird thing is you are not the first No-On-8 supporter to post the exact same thing...
..someone called thetruthisnow post the same things too...
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
This ad always makes me cry. Its a great ad!
lilithiannun 3 years ago
Gay marriage and relations have always been morally wrong.
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
Yet you cannot and will not SHOW how homosexuality is wrong.
Permaglo 3 years ago
Gays have been told plenty enough their lifestyle is morally wrong....
...but they are prideful and will not listen...
... gays do it to themselves.... they have insulated themselves in a wall...
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
Well Javier, YOUR lifestyle is morally wrong! You must repent from the wickedness of Christianity and come to Allah! A voice came to me in a dream last night and told me these things so I know its true! And if you do not heed my words then your heart is hardened...
...What I just typed above makes about as much sense as the reasons people like you spout as to why homosexuality is wrong. If you want people to listen to you, maybe you should come up with some RATIONAL reasoning.
Permaglo 3 years ago 2
People have listened to me...
I have counseled several people (lesbian and gay) from abandoning homosexual relations...
it is a battle and effort of a lifetime but worth it...
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
Well I feel sorry for those people who you have duped into a life of lonliness and sadness just so you can feel good about yourself. Do you honestly believe someone is better off spending the rest of his life alone than with another man in a committed, loving relationship?
Permaglo 3 years ago
They are not alone... They are in loving relationships... It just takes a little humility, respect, and open heart
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
They are in loving relationships with whom? Members of the opposite sex? It's gonna be a real shock for their mates when they go back to having sex with the same sex. Brainwashing doesn't last forever.
Permaglo 3 years ago
There are hundreds of these examples... Compassion and love is everything... Discussion gays is a deeper issue than the soundbites we hear on Youtube...
Most grow up void a good support system....
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
Being gay is cured by compassion and love? Then why am I not straight, because I have both. Your idea of "love" is to constantly tell someone that there is something wrong with him and that he needs ot fix it because if he doesn't he's going straight to hell.
Permaglo 3 years ago
No where have I even said the word hell.
But at the same time it is wrong.
Complicated issue.
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
well you're entitled to your opinions, just please try not to legally inflict them on me.
Permaglo 3 years ago
What part of "Get the fuck out of here, we're not listening to your dumbass" don't you understand you thick-skulled cocksucker?
UncleFriis 3 years ago
You're entitled to think that eventhough you are completely wrong. However, you are not entitled to strip away people's civil rights based on your religious beliefs. Prop 8 was shameful!
drewj1969 3 years ago
Why must people try and force their religious beliefs on others. If some had their way, we'd have state sponsored religion. But we have freedom of religion in this country, including the right to not participate in religion.
Why should everyone follow your religious opinions and not someone else's? Can you prove yours is right? You can't. Why do you think there are so many denominations?
Many believe a woman not covering her head is morally wrong, perhaps we should write that into law.
Permaglo 3 years ago
Engaging in the democratic process is not forcing beliefs on anyone.
That would be like saying those who voted for Obama are forcing their beliefs on me.
Even athiest and gay people voted against gay marriage.
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
So I assume if voters made it law that all Californians must attend Catholic church every Sunday or face fine or imprisonment that wouldn't be forcing beliefs either.
I don't have much of a problem with laws based on rational thought. But when folks start making their religious opinions into laws that negatively impact me, I have a real problem with that.
Gays are always being told to keep their sexuality to themselves. How about keeping your religious beliefs to yourself.
Permaglo 3 years ago
While we would like to say laws are based on rational though, almost all laws are based on normative philosophies and values that are not codified....
You do not have to believe in a God or sacred book to have a religion. Essentially it is belief system vs. belief system...
JavierCA2008 3 years ago
The majority of laws are based on protecting individuals either from themselves or each other. Rape is illegal because it physically and mentally harms the victim. Theft is illegal because the loss of property harms the victim. Heroin is illegal because it severely harms the person using it and possibly others around him.
You have yet to show how homosexuality or gays being allowed to marry harms anyone at all outside of your opinion of what your idea of God thinks of it.
Permaglo 3 years ago
It is a never ending circle...
If you were told how gays harm themselves and others you would not accept it...
JavierCA2008 3 years ago