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  • i hate anjem chodhry and i am a muslim. he is not the representative of the 2 million mislms in uk. He is a leader of the hate group that gave birth to EDL. He is doing more damage to innocent muslims, (and non-muslim)

  • FUCKING HYPOCRITE, CANT EVEN ANSWER A STRAIGHT QUESTION, THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY SO FUCK OFF, OH YEH YOU CANT YOU NEED THE BENEFIT. YOU FUCKING SPONGER

  • @stevejames0072 its no christian country. wtf? when? lol. islam is growing and judgement day is near. invistigate islam it will be too late. its the truth

  • why does he awnser everything question with a question? fucking paki cunt

  • That bearded clam is the definition of LOL

  • LOL another fucking muslim beggar licking our assholes to stay in the west.

  • shes a stupid cow

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  • Don't be fooled, Choudary is a trained lawyer, but he knows that if he dresses and acts like a brainwashed religious lunatic he'll be unemployable and won't have to work - it works, this parasite gets £25,000 a year in benefits for just spreading his hatred against the people that feed him. He hates the west and wants to turn the UK into an islamic hellhole, just like his place of origin.

  • WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SUCH BEATIFUL AND PROUD COUNTRY ?

  • muslims are like animals damn liars it's not reliogion of peace,muslims hate christians thats why I'm saying to you all animals-muslims GO BACK TO YOUR,,GREAT COUNTRIES,, RULED BY YOUR ,,religion.Europe don t need sick human-animals like you.Europe is and always will be CHRISTIAN

  • If Anjem Chaudhary had a decent job in a decent computer firm as an engineer or as a doctor in a hospital,if he had done well in school and college,he wouldn't be jobless enough to propogate Islam PERIOD.

    That's the problem with Islam less work more laziness,less education,high unemployment,Radicalisation PERIOD

  • @komodo8887 he is actually an educated lawyer

  • cultures should not mix, we should help muslims go back to their home countries.

  • If you think britain is not a good country,then leave it simple,stay with your "bretheren" in somalia

  • I am a dentist,12 classmates of mine out of hundred were Muslims,None of my Teachers or professors was a Jew,or Christian,but you know what,THEY ALL FAILED,No one was against them, if they prayed less,studied more,they (Muslims) will get more educated and get more jobs.

  • @komodo8887 Islam destroys rational thought. I am happy to know they all failed. With all the PC crap on campuses, Muslims are promoted because they are Muslim!

  • @RockStudioLive Islam doesn't destroy anything.

  • Why does this guys face show up so often?

  • Kates boobs are offending me.

  • THIS PIECE OF SHIT IS A CHILD RAPIST.

  • HE hates the infidels but dont mind takin there dole money lazy useless cunt

  • What good is Choudary and his loonies to the UK ? They live on benefits yet they want to destroy everything we stand for - these brainwashed loonies are prisoners of islam - do we really want sharia law, burkas, honour beatings and honour killings in the modern world ? Islam is just a religious belief that belongs back in the 13th century not in modern Britain. Why should the taxpayer have to keep lunatics like these in benefits, it's insane ! Parasite Choudary should get a job !

  • hamzas "jinn babies" video was hilarious

  • Fuck Anjem Chouwder Bowl!

    Thumbs up if you think the same

  • This asshole is a shame on Britain.He's not proud to be British and says we for Muslims..asshole

  • Muhammad piss be upon that fucker

  • @KINGMJ1990 No it's Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, get it right please, and rather with an obective and open mind look into his life you will find one of the greatest men to ever walk the earth and one that was given the last form of guidance to mankind. Embrace Islam out of your own free will and you will be saved, if you don't then don't say I or Muslims didn't tell you so on the day of judgement.

  • @ishaquer89

    Be proud to be British.Britain before Islam,that's what I am asking for.Do anything you want later.There is no god.There is no evidence for god.Think about it,search for evidence rather than blindly believing any religious book.

  • @KINGMJ1990 Sorry Islam does not believe in Nationalism. There is a God, he is my creator and your creator. There is evidence for God without you would not be. Yes I have searched for evidence by sitting and reflecting about where I came from? Islam is does not teach one to blind follow. Brother in humanity come to Islam it will be the best thing you ever do, if you don't - fair enough but don't blame me on the day of judgement.

  • @ishaquer89 Do not call Allah, God and I will not call Jehovah, Allah. Islam has done nothing good even for Muslims.

  • @RockStudioLive God in Arabic is Allah. Allah is the creator of all that exists, me and you and Islam has done so much for the world, it's just western arrogance refuses to acknowledge its contribution.

  • @ishaquer89 Please enumerate what Islam has done. And no Christian prays to your concept of God, no matter what you call it.

  • @RockStudioLive Islam started the welfair state, gave women alot of rights including property and inheritence rights. Islam gave you a period of time where there was no poverty under the shariah. Islam freed the oppressed Christians and the welcomed the idea of living under the shariah. Islam gave the freedom of religion. Research it online you will see. That's funny go to the middle east and pick up a Christian bible and you won't see the word God but you'll see the word Allah.

  • @ishaquer89 All lies See how Muslims treat Christians in Egypt. Or Jews in Libya Why are there no Christians in Arabia? Christians are only oppressed by Muslims. See Nigeria and Boko Haram.

    Allah is not Jehovah. Do Hindus have 330 million allahs? The Greeks had gods; were they allahs? Hitler said Allah is with me!

    You are confusing the word with the name. Typical. Muslims are poor thinkers but audacious liars!

    Muslimas are free? See Egypt! See anywhere sharia is practised.

  • @RockStudioLive What do you mean all lies, and why are you taking the current trials and tribulations in Egypt with coptic Christians and jews, the troubles in Nigeria as your reflection of Islam as an entire religion. Remember Islam is perfect and complete, whereas human beings supposedly said to follow Islam are prone to error and sin whlst thinking they are doing good. We don't use the term jehovah. Allah is one and only, there is nothing like unto him, he has no partners. I'm not a liar.

  • @ishaquer89 Tell me exactly where and when Islam worked How can Islam be perfect since Mohamed was imperfect? The Koran says that but I want you to deny it first. If Muslims rule was so wonderful, why did Spanish Christians fight for 700 years to rid their country of the filth of Islam?

    And we don't use the term Allah, though we use a synonym, Satan.

  • @RockStudioLive Muhammad peace be upon was a perfect individual and Islam is perfect, it's working right now, millions of Muslims have such good lives compared to those without Islam who are finished indulging in narcotics, alcohol, illicit sex, lust for money and suicide rates are phenomenal.Islam is perfect but remember people are prone to sin and the satan can trigger corruption, i.e. - in spain. Islam is not filth. WHy do you have so much hatred for Islam, plz tell me? Allah is Allah, thanks

  • @ishaquer89 Where are these millions of Muslims living good lives? why do I hate Islam? Because it is the doctrine of Satan.. Islam has brought nothing good to mankind. If Mohamed is perfect, do you try to be like him. Would you do the things Mohamed did? Careful, I know things about Mohamed that you do not know, or pretend not to know.

  • @RockStudioLive There are millions of Muslims who follow their faith properly. How is it the doctrine of satan, it is easy to make this claim but what makes you think this? Go ahead present your issues. Islam has bought a lot of good. Muhammad peace be upon him - if you're going to attack him, don't be shy, present your evidence. I aint scared to hear what you want to say, go ahead.

  • @ishaquer89 You have not admitted that you must act like Mohamed.

  • @RockStudioLive Is Bukhari sahih?

  • @RockStudioLive Yes it is sahih - which means literally sound.

  • @RockStudioLive Oh yes sorry, we as followers of Muhammad peace be upon him follow his sunnah, so we emulate what he did. I don't deny this.

  • @ishaquer89 Bukhari 4:280

    Mohamed said "These people (Jews) are ready to accept your judgement." Sad said, "..their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." Mohamed said, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with the judgement of Allah."

    At least 600 Jewish men were beheaded... The women and children were sold. Muhammad took one of the women - Rayhana, newly widowed, as a concubine.

    This is the story that Muslims tell, It is not my story.

  • @RockStudioLive Ah yes, this a classic example of misunderstanding. Let's put this into context. There was a treaty at the time, The Banu Qurayza tribe - jews - had committed treason against the Muslim by sideing with the pagans of mecca, which infringed this treaty. Sa’d bin Mu’adh was from the tribe of al-Aws who had been their long time allies and was bought in to make a decision.

  • @ishaquer89 There was not treaty These Jews were suing for peace. Mo lied to them Would they have agreed to come knowing that they would be killed? Come on, Jews are lots of things, productive, peaceful, and SMART.

    So you would treat people the way your prophet treated them.

  • @RockStudioLive This recent comment of yours show's that I'm dialoging with someone who will refuse to accept anything I say. You have no evidence to back up your claims. If you do, produce them now and don't speak from desire please. Look its simple - life has a purpose and that is to submit to the will of the Lord of everything in existence, Allah. Proclaim that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad (pbuh) is his last + final messenger, and you will be saved in this world n the next.

  • @ishaquer89 I provided the hadith citation and text. You offer only opinion. I show you Islam's own words about the situation.

    Prove that there was a treaty. The hadith says they were besieged by Mo and they were asking for a peace treaty. Any one can check that I am telling the truth and you are denying Mohamed!

  • @RockStudioLive Thank you for this dialogue but it is clear that you will refuse to accept any explanation, therefore, take care, thank you and I hope that one day you come to be guided.

  • @ishaquer89 You can't prove your point You have been exposed as a liar. But you still must confront the fact that Mohamed was a liar, looter, rapist, and murderer. At least if you believe the stories told by Muslim eyewitnesses.

  • @RockStudioLive The decision was made according to the Torah: “And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

  • @ishaquer89 You are talking of Jehovah, not Allah, and you are quoting a document you say was corrupted. That does not support your argument. Can any Muslim argue properly?

  • @RockStudioLive But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.” (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)

  • @RockStudioLive 3-It was the only way to put an end to their evil: It was the only way out for the Muslims to stay protected from their treachery and evil. Earlier another Jewish tribe, al-Nadir, had been put to exile but they had since then proven more dangerous. Putting Qurayza to exile would only have piled up the troubles and helped creation of a tangible Jewish threat to the state of Medina; therefore it was necessary to put their episode to end.

  • @RockStudioLive A.J. Wensinck though himself a critic of Islam had to accept this reality. He wrote;

    “The execution of Quraiza was a cruel act. But there were reasons for this, [especially] that they sided with the enemy during the siege. The dangers of such elements were once again clear to Muhammad. Could he simply drive them out? This, perhaps, would have been more fatal than to leave them in the city.

  • @RockStudioLive ...In Khaibar Jews were very powerful for several years mainly due to the exiled Nadir tribe. The whole Wadi'l Qora was populated by Jews. He had to be on the guard. One will notice all these things, when he seeks not merely to criticize and condemn Mohammad's actions but also to understand them.”

  • @RockStudioLive So in conclusion, in the future - whatever you read - ask more questions, don't simply take it at face value, instead try to acknowledge/research the context, it is easy to simply state a hadeeth and immiediatly form an opinion, but it takes courage to actually go out and ask what the meaning behind this is.

  • @RockStudioLive Shariah is not practiced in Egypt,seriously please turn off your television set, and delete those hatred fuelled websites from your Internet browser and go out and dialogue with proper Muslims and ask them these key questions.Please do it instead of indulging in ignorance.I ain't confused about anything, however, seriously please do some objective research.For eg, if a white man did something cruel to me, does that mean I take all white people as one and the same? No I think not.

  • @ishaquer89 Please tell me where Islam worked.

  • @RockStudioLive Islam is working right now, go out and ask a Muslim how much better off he is not having to chase what society dictates.

  • @ishaquer89 eep he shouldnt do that! otherwise he could end up looking like this clown. The last thing someone wants to do it follow a mass murderer called muhammad! Jesus' example was that of love and tollerance. You tell me who Jesus killed to prove his point? He didn't need to - he knew who he was and who he represented! Come to Christ and receive your true spiritual inheritence. Jesus said "you can tell a tree by the fruit it produces" - look as Islam's fruit! Enough said!

  • @MrJBSTNE Muhammad peace be upon was not a mass murderer, he was a very peaceful and exemplary man who in times of war had to defend himself, he did not transgress against people, they transgressed first, thus he had to act, Muslims are not weak. Jesus peace be upon him was the messenger before Muhammad and he spoke of Muhammad pbuh's arrival. Muslims are probably more Christian than christian's themselves we love Jesus pbuh more than you do or ever will.

  • @ishaquer89 Kafirs please research the hadiths (Muslim sources) of the Battle of Badr, also called the Siege of the Trench. Read what Muslim eyewitnesses wanted you to know about Mohamed. He lured Jews who were seeking a peace treaty to his tent then beheaded 600-900 of them and enslaved the women and children. He also raped a 15 year-old that night These are the facts. Check them out.

  • @RockStudioLive Again show me this hadeeth, if you have an issue, don't tell me to search it, put it out here right here right now and we'll discuss it. He lured jews...' if you are making an attack upon him you have surely got it wrong as you don't know the full story, this is common for people who hate Islam. What 15 year old? I think I know what you're on about but again please present your evidence. Go for it.

  • shes a stupid ugly racist cow uneducated bnp whore

  • wasn't much of a mob, as ridiculous as it was, it was over reported.

  • Anjem Choudary would of been stoned many times over if he had lived in middle east before he got to his 40th birthday.

  • This man speaks the truth!

  • Search on google for the website .....Council Of Ex-Muslims....there's thousands of muslims who want to renounce their religion and live in the 21st century....they're sick to death of being ruled by a religion that belongs in the dark ages.

  • anjem choudary for priminister

  • The quote about dictators and how "they are our dictators and we dont need the british, we we will remove them". Firstly He is ethnically pakistani not Iraqi or Egyptian, so really its none of his business. Secondly twist it on its head. "this is our democracy, and we dont need muslims to remove it for us, if we need to remove it we will ourselves." Like I said this guy is a hypocrite.

  • I missed the part that she made him look like a tit. I saw this exchange as a respectful one, even though the content being discussed is very ugly.

  • @GameRight2- Well I think thats the problem, hes a soft mannered person with an intellectual nature, you will note he will never commit himself to say anything that might land him in jail. Its no different than Nick Griffin. He wears a suit puts on his t.v face, then when he gets back home, hes calling any non white christian, every name under the sun. Imagine what Anjem choudry really thinks? If this is what he says in public, then the guy must really say some vile things in private

  • Get your swords and your Destriers lads, TIME TO GO ON ANOTHER FUCKIN CRUSADE!

  • Everyone go on the website "bare naked islam" There is a picture of anjem choudary in his younger days boozing it up. cant believe this guy. Suppossed holy man, and he used to be a boozer. But then again I was told once you fully embrace islam your past sins are wiped clean, hypocrisy or what? Id rather be an athiest and live a good life all my years.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy I take it you don't believe that sum1 can fix up their actions, leave certain bad things and reform right? How is it hypocracy if sum1 who used to error, stop making errors and reformed?

  • @ishaquer89- I do believe this can happen, but I believe that someone who claims to be holier than thou, that lived in this way in his own life, but then scorns others who does so is a hypocrite. He has no right to criticise others for actions he himself has taken. It would be the same if a previous alcoholic turned born again christian started critising those who drink, to me it is hypocrisy.

  • Fuck you guys, one crazy muslim cant represent millions of people

  • fuck muslim ass all over piss on them wohoooooo

  • I think I'm right...I heard her say "Unfortunately, because we live in democracy..."...good work.

  • These stone-age thinking muslim clerics should all be rounded up and deported and fast. In the meantime I got a new .44 Magnum for any of these robe wearing wizards that might happen to step even just one sandal covered foot on my west Texas property or any of them who go near my family.

  • ISLAM IS PEACE. O Allah, Bless Muhammed and send peace be upon him FOREVER!!!!!!!!

  • Islam is number one rank in human atrocities 300 mln infidels killed in the name so "called religion of peace" during this evil cult existent. Islam should be ban, all Muslims should be send back to Saudi Arabia along with their mosques PEACEFULLY

  • I'm a Muslim and I can't stand that guy he was the same guy who use drink fosters and read Mayfair magazine lol he is bonkers

  • tthis man is as bad as bin larden why is he still alive i swear this country is so shit

  • they are both wrong, they are all wrong.

    the terrorists are wrong. the war is wrong. religion is wrong.

    all these babies need their toys taken away

  • This scum stays so he can vote for liberals and suck on the tit of the welfare systen because he don't want to go back to his mud hut in the desert....

  • That's just so sickening.. How can anyone not have the greatest respect for soldiers who go out to war zones to protect others.

  • Muhammed was a pedophile. He raped a 9 year old girl. Fuck Islam. Fuck those pigs.

  • @severedtesticles No he wasn't, he didn't rape no one. On the contrary, come join Islam.

  • @ishaquer89 he had sex with a 9 year old and that's rape. A 9 year old has no capacity for consent. I will never join yours or anyone else's relgion. Atheism is the true path of enlightenment and the future.

  • @severedtesticles How's it rape, she reached puberty, thus marriage was consummated, we'r talking 7th century here wer life expectancy was shorter and also paedophilia implies there's a victim, she was not a victim - she grew up in a happy marriage and the outcome - she gave the muslim world a lot of narrations of what the prophet ordered, was seen doing and forbid. She had the mind of a scholar n is the mother of the believers. Atheism means your existence was a mistake, so are you a mistake?

  • @ishaquer89 no matter how you want to slice it, having sex with a 9 year old girl is rape and disgusting.

  • @severedtesticles I'm not saying that one should do this today because maturity/adultness comes later in men n women in this day and age. If I were a betting man, I'd say your ancestors did a similar practice. U going to have a beef with them over it now?

  • @ishaquer89 Paedophilia merely means a sexual "preference" for children and that's what fucking a nine year old is.

  • @suedescentedsin There u go, you said it yourself sexual preference for children, you said children. A paedophile will have multiple victims.

    Whereas in this case, some 1432 years ago when life expectancy was low and customs/cultural norms were vastly different, a marriage like this would take place. Note the word 'marriage' not relationship or rape. Aisha (RA) wasn't a victim, you is a well documented and famous person in the Muslim world. So ur definition/claims of paedophilia are flawed.

  • @ishaquer89 *she is

  • @ishaquer89 Are you actually serious? So.. if a person eyes up and has sex with only one child in their life, they AREN'T a paedophile? If this is your opinion, we shall have to agree to disagree.

    I did a little research and it seems these kinds of marriages were common back then, I'll give you that. But as a person living in modern times, I don't like it and had they been given our freedoms, I don't think they would either.

  • @suedescentedsin In this context the prophet pbuh did not eye up and do that with Aisha, rather it was a suggested marriage and the Prophet's companion/closest friend Abu Bakr (RA) allowed his daughter to marry the Prophet. That's not my opinion about who's a paedophile, that's the facts but it does not warrant the disgusting label of paedophile. Okay let's discuss modern times. Society in general matures later, i.e. age of marriage is later, so in our context - marriage is later.

  • @suedescentedsin In these times we are living in, muslims are encouraged to marry around the ages of 16 as puberty has now become later. So for example if I had a daughter I wouldn't mind her marrying at 16. But the age of 9 is applicable to a time that's gone by when life expectancy was shorter with a lack of medicine n poverty, a girl in those days was expected to bear 8 kids or so and life expectancy was short.

  • @ishaquer89 He did have sex with her. That is what the consummation of a marriage is, and it was a consummated marriage. To me and every other healthy minded person, that warrants the "disgusting label of paedophile".

    Your argument concerning age isn't a very strong one when you consider that Muhammed was around 50 years old at the time of this marriage, not 9 or 16. Also, as of 2002, it became legal in Iran to marry off girls of 9 because of Aisha. What is your view of this?

  • @suedescentedsin He married her at the age of 6 and then consummated at the age of 9 when she hit puberty - yes I and Muslims don't deny this. This happened under cultural circumstances. Please remember though that the term of paedophilia is a neologism, in those times to marry at those ages would've been a norm. To us it is not a norm. Yes he was around 50 years old, we don't deny this.

  • @suedescentedsin However,please remember Iran does not reflect an Islamic society. Many countries in the world today claim they are following the Shariah,but they are not.That's a fact.Okay that may be legal in Iran because of the marriage of Aisha, but I ask you - with the way the world's mindset has changed, do you think that parents would want their daughter to marry like this in this day and age. No of course not, not saying it don't happen.The Prophetic tradition is to marry at 25 years.

  • @suedescentedsin I thank you for doing research but I urge you to not resort quickly to a label such as paedophile without exploring the context.Be objective and study around it rather than jumping to an offensive term. Remember when people who believe in God and only God, attributing no partners with him enter paradise, everyone will be at the prime age of 33, clean,and chaste and will enjoy the bliss with their spouses for eternity God willing. This world is temporary, death comes quickly.

  • @ishaquer89 I always try for objectivity but with such a sensitive subject, it can be very difficult.

  • @suedescentedsin Try your hardest, if you have any questions about Islam please ask an actual Muslims, I have no benefit from lying to you.

  • @suedescentedsin You point that it was about freedom right, well this was not a forced marriage. There is no force marriage in Islam. In the world we live in today a lot of families who are so-called Muslims pressure/force their daughters into marriage and as a result people through the media build this perception that this is reflective of the whole Muslim society. Tell you what I'm a muslim male, 22, and I need to get married ASAP, why?

  • @ishaquer89 Women didn't have the same freedoms back then, so to an extent, it must have been forced. That isn't a judgement on Islam, it's the same the world over. Only in the last century or so have women been able to live their own lives. It was the age I was focusing on.

  • @suedescentedsin Okay I understand that comment but you know, and you can check this out, our Prophet pbuh told the Muslims to treat women well, he outlawed burying young daughters alive and temporary marriage (which is in essence was and is prostitution). Islam also gave women rights to property and wealth and the right to vote. Please check this out these are well documented.

  • @ishaquer89 If that is so, how can extremists possibly try to rationalise their practices?

  • @suedescentedsin In Islam, suicide is 100% forbidden, even in times of war. Blowing up buildings, killing innocents is 100% forbidden. Jihad does not mean blowing oneself up or ranting/shouting kill the kuffar. Rather Jihad means to strive to struggle. For example, personally, I see a lot of lovely looking women when I go university, therefore it is a jihad for me to lower my gaze and to not speak in a flirtatious manner.

  • @suedescentedsin The Jihad seen in the media, is the military Jihad. In Islam, if sum1 attacks you or opresses you, you can't be a coward you have to fight back. But the fightback does not mean killing yourself. The fightback means meeting the enemy of an actual battlefield, like in Lord of the Rings. Conditions of Jihad - don't kill women, children, old people, don't destroy infrastructure, pollute water supply and damage stuff. If the non-believes are at peace with you, be at peace with them.

  • @suedescentedsin Extremists are not following their religion properly, they have been manipulated, so they must go back to the Qur'an and the Prophetic tradition, the ways of the generation of the people after the Prophet. and study properly and fully the religion, true orthodox Islam.

  • @suedescentedsin Because a marriage is so much more than gratification, to a Muslim its a whole lot more. A married Muslim person is more at ease, doesn't have to chase after women, instead can focus on worshipping God instead of being distracted. He builds a family, ties between in-laws etc. Teaching one another about the religion earns both parties, teacher and learner reward - reward which is given in either dis life or the next.

  • @ishaquer89 No one should feel compelled to chase men or women regardless. As human beings with religion stripped away, we shouldn't feel the need to get one socially-accepted stage of life out of the way with in order to focus on another. A marriage should be the natural progression of a fulfilling and loving relationship or it shouldn't happen at all.

    Can't we all teach and learn without such ritual?

  • @suedescentedsin The problem with the modern world is is that Man thinks its self-sufficient that there is no creator and we just came to be. Well think about it, with a sound clear and open mind - search your insides - there is a creator that created you and me and to him we shall return. He tests people through hardships and goodness, but the ultimate test is to see who acquires peace by submitting to him. The other option is to follow one's whims and desires, which lead to diseases, suicide

  • @suedescentedsin In Islam we don't have girlfriends/boyfriends, instead we marry. A boy married a girl or vice versa for 4 things:

    1) Beauty

    2) Status

    3) Wealth

    4) Faith

    Beauty fades, status can diminish, wealth can be go in an instance but faith remains, that's why we don't go from one woman to another, having sex and moving on, no this is a desire (sex) that's channeled through institution of marriage based around God-consciouness. Sure, you're spouse can be nice, wealthy n have status.

  • @ishaquer89 I can't speak for others, I know that promiscuity runs rampant in today's society. All I can say is that looks, status and wealth hold no sway for me personally and I've never had sex and moved on. All of that is empty.

    I have no real religion but I do have moral values. Those serve me sufficiently well.

  • @suedescentedsin What put's you off religion? 

  • @ishaquer89 I was just never raised with it. I get the feeling there is SOMETHING out there but there's no proof.

    If anything puts me off religion, it's the followers. For any religion, those who say they follow it closely tend to be the biggest hypocrites and then, of course, there are all the arguments over it. Surely any religion is about peace?

    I favour a strong moral compass over a rigid set of antiquated rules based on the writings and conflicting interpretations of man.

  • @suedescentedsin Forget the term religion or rituals. The first step, acknowledge that there is a creator. Once you acknowledge that, then ask - if there is a creator, what does he want me to do. Then you study objectively, Islam, Judaism and Christianity, make your own mind up. It is a belief it cannot be forced upon anyone, it's totally up to you. In Islam there's no compuslion in religion. Don't let deviant people in media put you off.

  • @suedescentedsin I respect you have a strong moral compass, and furthermore you're the first person on youtube I've had a civilised conversation with, thank you.

  • @ishaquer89 Thank you, too.

  • @suedescentedsin You're most welcome.

  • @suedescentedsin You say there's no proof right, okay fair enough. The important question is - do you seek the truth? If you seek the truth, look around you at the world, so much destruction, killing, famine, disease, well truly ask what's my purpose on thsi Earth, is it to wake up, eat, go bathroom, go work, come home sleep. Look at your body, how intricate and designed it is. Ask what's the purpose of my existence and God Willing the guidance will come to you. Be sincere.

  • @ishaquer89- If the body is so perfectly designed why are people born with genetic faults? Even the most minor faults? Its obviously were something has gone wrong, meaning we are not made by design. The human body or humans are far from perfect in both design and mentality. If God or Allah was perfect he would be a better creator. I fear we are like we are through evolution (opinion). Difference with islam, is they dont allow others to have theories, we are all dirty kuffar.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Good question, but before I answer it I'm a Muslim n wen I walk pass/interact with non-Muslims, I don't treat them with disgust cause they are not Muslim. So your question, well what ever say you won't believe but everything that happens in life good or bad happens for a reason. eg. a mother gave bith to two twins, she died in child-bith, you're thinking 'how dare God do that' Well this is the test how does the father cope? Does he lose faith in God n follow the devil or...

  • @ishaquer89- I was also born a muslim, and I do not treat other people with disgust, nor do any members of my family that are practising muslims, however whenever it comes to theological arguments, they hold a sense of superiority that their way of thinking is right but with noting but blind faith to back it up. Now to argue that this all a test is to some degree plausible however I feel that the parameters by which we should live by are draconian and impossible to follow

  • @Myurbanphilosophy It's not blind faith, ask them what is your proof that Islam is the truth and they will present their proofs.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy in the face of this tragedy, says - Alhamdulilah - 'Allah is the greatest'- and he is the one that has written our destinies. The loss of his wife or the birth of a defected son becomes a test for him, the hardship is the test because Paradise - is not sumthing one achieves with ease. Big misconception:you can't blow yourself up to achieve paradise, this goes against Islam. Paradise is for those who strive n r humble n patient with God, cause this life is a series of tests.

  • @ishaquer89- I do believe that if there is a god, he may not be what we perceive him to be, and that humans have mis-interpreted his message. It would seem strange that christianity,Judaism and Islam have somwewhat similar principles, and all surround monotheism. IT is all down to faith and there is no proof to substantiate it. Is why I strongly disagree with "religious" ppl who act like it is fact, because there is a high probability they are wrong.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy There is proof in the Qur'an

  • @ishaquer89- A book written several centuries ago. Unless you were there and visibly heard the word of God yourself, there is no way 100% it can be true. A christian will say the bible is proof, and a Jew the torah. Yet you as a muslim, would view them as wrong and they would view you as wrong. Your theory (thats all it is) is just one amongst hundreds. the only difference is Islam is still using force to spread its theory. the similarities to Nazism or Communism is scary

  • @ishaquer89- The particular problem in Europe, is these are traditionally christian lands, u.k in particular has not had any Islamic influence as say Spain. It is this superiority and dominance complex that caused the crusades, except back then the christians were just as barbaric as the muslims. Christianity and European civilisation has evolved to a better place, and people like Anjem Choudry have no right to try drag us back again. I fear we are heading for dark times ahead....

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Look please do not take Anjem Choudary as your template of Islam. He is not reflective of Islam in the sense that he condones events such as 9/11, 7/7. I'm a Muslim myself and I would love shariah implemented but I don't go around trying to force it, as a Muslim I have to study my religion properly, convey the message of Islam to others and leave things of Shariah to a proper Muslim authority.

  • @ishaquer89 Isn't Shariah not even in the Quran?

  • @juliaisafilmbuff123 This is the problem, every1 takes the Qur'an solely for a guide. You cannot fully implement the Qur'an unless you obey Allah's messenger peace be upon him by following his Sunnah (Prophetic tradition) and in the Sunnah the Shariah is mentioned in a lot of detail.

  • @ishaquer89- I take my template of islam from the actions it has taken and continues to take since its inception. Like I said I dont hate cultural muslims nor practicing muslims as I would inevitably hate members of my own family. But Islam and the shariah that you seem to like, I do hate. I hate its barbarism and totalitarian nature. If islam was to evolve like Christianity and Judaism has, I would not hate Islam. I fear it will never evolve though...

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Its cause you don't understand the Shariah, its cause you don't believe that God has a divine law where the root of evil is cut off before it can spread further. Barbarism - the western world is barbaric, just look at the Wars. Totalitarian naturn I think not because what Islam says not to do is better for human beings scientifically, financially and socially - people in their homes r still allowed 2 practice their faiths. Ur western freedom is subjugation n deceit.

  • @ishaquer89- Well your wrong. A group of ethiopian christians have been put in prison in Saudi Arabia for praying in the house. How many churches are there in Iran or Saudi? Look at the west, we allow mosques retainment of islamic culture, and still (a growing minority) choose to spit on the freedom that allows this freedom. If my cousin (muslim) went to another muslim land, he would not get the same rights as the natives, only in the west is this possible.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Islam is a complete and final message to Humanity, but human beings have become clouded by weaknesses of freedom to do as thou wilt and not listen to God, your creator. As a result of this look around the world, the turmoil, the diseases, senseless killings, hardships - that's because its a Godless society. Islam is the truth and as always the truth will be attacked. However, the truth of Islam, it's light can never be exstinguished. Alhamdulilah (All praise be to Allah).

  • @ishaquer89- Once again this is just your take on things and the God fearing Christians would say the same thing, but both cannot be right can they. With regards to the worlds turmoil, all these things are epidemic in muslim countries more so than in the west, in fact through science, medicine and secular society we have largely harmonious societies, much of the violence comes from our muslim population, you only have to look at the slaughter the prophet committed, is this gods will?

  • @Myurbanphilosophy What do you mean Prophet pbuh him committed, look at your wars in the name of democracy, look at your female prostitution, abortion and rape in this country, forget Muslim countries, look to your own back yard first. Your society is backward and not harmonous.

  • @ishaquer89- Well just one example of many, research what the prophet did at Banu Qurayza. Yes Western society has moral ills, but it tries to remedy them through reasonable means rather than through fear and opression. And in some countries this has been solved. If we take 1 of your examples of rape. In Sweden once upon a time rape was unheard of. Now it is the rape capital of Europe. Research it and see who 98% of the rapes are committed by.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy I know about Banu Qurayza, the reason for this was for treason. Are you trying to say that committing a crime should not go punished. No in actual fact because its muslims doing it, its a big uproar. If its the US, Israel and UK, its justified. If the Prophet pbuh sanctioned this punishment, not actually killing himself, then the whole world goes crazy. Clear bia. with the rape thing - Again we come back to notion of Islam is perfect, human beings r not.

  • @ishaquer89- Im also not saying Christianity has not done the same too, infact Iam critical of all religion, the difference being christians and christianity arent trying to destroy my secular way of life. Even the most extreme evangelicals in USA at most say a few provocative things about gays or women. The very extreme of Islam is far more violent and dangerous. Weve seen what it does to muslim countries and its people and we dont want it here.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Islam isn't trying to destroy anything, you need the remedy of Islam to bring you out of the shackles of darkness into light. Come join. Why you look to Muslim countries look to your own country first.

  • @ishaquer89 remedy is communism.

  • @TriathDreamer Communism rejects the notion of a creator.

  • @ishaquer89- I look at muslim countries first because this is were islam is from and what kind of countries they are.What do these islamically enlightened societies have that I would want here in the west? If it is so brilliant why have millions left for the west for a better life? Its because despite all its flaws this civilisation is superior, if it were not westerners would be fleeing in the thousands to Islamic lands. Islam has nothing to offer the world other than misery.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Our Prophet peace be upon him told us in his prophecies that towards the end of time much trials and tribulations will come across the Muslims, Islam has and always will be under attack, but its part of the struggle you see. In an Islamic society you will have a pure life away from subjugating and exploitation, you'll be treated with respect and humility.

  • @ishaquer89- I do apologise if I offend you because it must not be nice for me to insult your religion, but I speak openly because you are clearly intelligent. When I speak to my muslim family members, they cannot comprehend what I say. Because there brains have been programmed to function only one way since birth. This is no different than the Nazi youth in Germany. Indoctrination from inception is dangerous, and blinds people from exploring all the arguments.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Its okay, you can have your opinion and that, its my role as a Muslim to educate others in the best way I can. However, I would stress that comparisons to nazism are unwarrented, because look at a lot of Muslims - a lot of them don't practice the religion, a lot do not want to be apart of the religion. The good youth have not been indoctrinated, instead out of choice choose to do illicit things and live a life of purity with happiness, I'm happy.

  • @ishaquer89- Well the comparison to nazism is in that under the shariah it would control every aspect of the state, and the individual. Indoctrination in that from birth there is no other choice but islam and to leave it means death. Many muslims do not follow the shariah, and they would appear to be cultural muslims. they only have that freedom of choice in non shariah nations. Freedom of religion is important and that includes muslims, but under shariah state there is no freedom

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Other faiths living under the Shariah have their right to follow what religion they want. So if thats the case then the nazism allusion is not justified. The reason why people want to leave the religion of Islam is due to being scared of what extremists r doing to the world, but these people haven't found true Islam, if they did they wouldn't want to leave it.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy I'm Muslim, sure I've been taught about my religion from a young age but during my teens, this is where I found my conscience of right and wrong - therefore out of my own choice I chose not to drink, to party, to have sex, to watch porn, to swear at people, to lie, to cheat; I wasn't forced. However, once told not to do a certain thing, I researched the WHY and thus it made sense to me. Don't blind follow, and you'll be okay, of course its all thru Allah's guidence.

  • @ishaquer89- I think the problem is we cant have this discussion without people being rude. whether its racists saying kill muslims, or muslims saying kill the kaffir. You also get people wanting to debate in a positive way that are too scared. We need to have this debate and wrestle the argument away from fringe groups. sweeping it under the carpet is no longer acceptable.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy Look at this discussion we have had, so far you have described my religion as barbaric and like nasizm, people call my Prophet pbuh a pedophile but not once have I resorted to name calling, such as stateting you kuffar. The term kuffar is not for me to label people with. The way I see non-Muslism is that I should be just to them cause if I'm unjust then I'm merely reinforcing the bad image as portrayed by extremists who blow themselves up.

  • @Myurbanphilosophy I'll discuss, Islam, Muslims and the Shariah, but I won't resort to vulgar language or insults. Furthermore, if I don't know something I will admit I do not have knowledge of such and such a thing and will need to ask someone. However, I refuse to get emotional and resort to bad etiquittes.