As a gay person I understand why you've made this video, but its basic counter-argument that interracial relationships and miscegenation has worked and has been some great achievement is still debatable. There are still serious interracial issues. Gay people can not have children biologically. That is the fact. It is impossible. These people are extremists. However, that people do bring people into a world of suffering is not necessarily divine.
@RayL1983 That gay people cannot have children is actually questionable. I've heard that some experiments (but haven't checked the literature myself) have been done to create embryos from two sperm cells. The problem seems to have been wrong epigenetic programming. But we are making huge advances in reprogramming cells recently so maybe in the not too distant future embryos derived from two males will become a reality.
It annoys me to no end how Christians act like we are doing to them, what they do to us. Like they have a "right" to oppress us and we are bad for taking it away
The reality is that some people are homosexuals. No one is forcing anything on anyone. Peolpe who want to make judgements about such people are constently forcing there beliefs onto and treating us accordingly you would'nt stand for such treatment.
Particularly deeply religious and uneducated African-Americans (which go hand-in-hand) are an (unconsciously) self-loathing group. To them, being gay is just below being black, so there's an opportunity for them to slight homosexuals/homosexuality, and feel better about themselves. There's an emotional and psychological payoff -- which is that they get to be "right" and "superior" to another group, which is common among minorities. It's textbook.
I was thinking about this the other day. I don't really care if gay people are allowed to married (note I don't call it a RIGHT to marry), but what bothers me is their claim of normalcy, and their shotgun use of homophobia (similar to how black race pimps yell out racism). It's like forcing Galileo to believe that the Sun orbits the earth....
Doesn't really matter if you do or not. It *is* a right to marry.
"what bothers me is their claim of normalcy"
I don't really care whether you believe homosexuality is normal. If you mean it's not statistically normal, that's fine. Sterility is not statistically normal either. I bet you make no moral judgments with respect to it. If you're using 'normal' in some other sense, I have a whole body of videos addressing that.
As for "the guy...on WAOK," you didn't ask me if I was he. You merely declared, "You sound like the guy that was on WAOK a few weeks ago." I don't know what WAOK is. I presume it's a radio or TV station where you like. And, no, I have not appeared on anything called WAOK.
@ProfMTH I'm not avoiding the issue, but I am sooooo tired of people trying to bundle gay rights with the civil rights movement of the 60's. I find it offensive. Yes, some of the same language that was used to discriminate against blacks is being used against gays. I don't believe in gay rights, women's rights or purple people rights. Have your civil unions, but please stop trying to reinvent what marriage is. Stop trying to force fringe behavior on society.
@emomagica No is forcing gay marriage on anyone. NO ONE is forcing you to marry anyone. The issue here is that YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE how other people can live their life. Not for religious, or ideological, or any other reason.
So far as a person's behavior does not negatively affect anyone around them, there is no justification for banning that behavior. To do so is bigoted and wrong.
Furthermore, gay marriage will not and cannot negatively affect anyone. Gay marriage does nothing to you.
what a load of nonsense!!!.... there are no races you muppets!! just change over time... DNA, blood groups we ARE ALL the same! white people are descendents from other countries all the way back to africa lol .so who ever is reading this BS out is a racist prick. as for gays.. damn nature produces them all the time in all species! your ideal god is an illusion and gays or lesbians show you what does happen within nature... genetics is a bitch and sexual flaws will happen...so get over it...
@JGrant1984 "I hate gays trying to relate racism with homosexuality. They are separate and different."
Bigotry against people on the basis of race/ethnicity is not different in kind from other types of bigotry.
"don't try to twist religion"
I'm not. In this video, I merely quoted what religious people of today are saying about same-sex marriage and what religious people used to say about marriage between people of different ethnicities. They're remarkably similar. If that troubles...
(con't) @JGrant1984 ...you--as it seems to (and, quite frankly, it should--that's the point of the video)--then your argument is not with me, but rather with the religious rhetoric that emerges from bigotry.
The so-called "logic" in this video promoting same sex marriage is as simplistic as those who oppose it. The logical decision to allow or appose same sex marriage is simple. It is no human's business what two adults decide to do with his or her body, and with whom they do it with. True logic says "to each his own." Let every person choose for themselves. Leave them alone; let God be the judge because He is.
To all believers who agree or disagree with the message in this video... Please watch my video that you may grow in the knowledge of Him whom you say you believe and serve....
To believers; Jesus said; preach repentance for the Kingdome of Heaven is at hand. If they refuse, what to do? Resist not evil, but overcome evil with good. How do you overcome evil? Obeying Jesus, He is our example. Did Jesus protest against the wickedness of Roman? No! So, why do you protest evil? Focus on your life, live for Christ, the way Christ said to live. Tell the sinner of the Kingdome, love and salvation of God, if they reject you; leave them alone as Jesus said. Let them marry
You are one of the very sane Christians I've ever seen. Although you hold your personal point of view, you do not force it upon the others. Let me pay my respect to you! May your word spread like fire among all the Christians.
By that logic then the pilgrims should have stayed the fuck away from America, since the pilgrims were just illegal alien squatters with no legitimate claim to this land.
If I'm not mistaken, you are a University professor. In Canada, school's been out since early April. However, I heard that in the U.S., it ends later. So, can we hope for a few more videos come summer?
Because this is your best video, I decided to ask here! Anytime I meet a homophobic bigot, I bust out the quote from 0:20, pretending I actually think that.
How can Christians argue against same sex marriage? After all Joseph, the man God chose to be step-father to Jesus, was the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:2) and another man called Heli (Luke 3:23).
@djhalling "How can Christians argue against same sex marriage? After all Joseph, the man God chose to be step-father to Jesus, was the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:2) and another man called Heli (Luke 3:23)."
@Greg111076 "You know, if you block everyone with a dissenting opinion, you end up talking to yourself."
I don't block anyone because s/he expresses a dissenting opinion. Quite the opposite. I welcome dissent. I block only those who repeatedly waste my time with gibberish and fill comment box after comment box with invective such as "deviant" and "uber-fag." So, Sufferfoolsnotgladly, if in your latest of many incarnations you say something substantive and avoid invective, you'll get to stay.
What was the name again Johnathon Raunch? So you cannot succinctly encapsulate your own ideology in your own words? You have to lean on the arm of an uber-fag? How fey of you! Still you haven't answered my question it shouldn't be too hard, it's just a yes or no question.
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "you cannot succinctly encapsulate your own ideology in your own words?"
If by 'ideology' you mean my argument for extending the legal right to marriage to same-sex couples, I've told you where you can find it being made. Since you can't seem to control your deep-seated hatred of homosexuality and are getting frustrated by my not taking your bait, you've started using slurs like "uber-fag" & "fey". So I'll just wish you luck & hope you get the help you need. Bye!
No! you have not presented ANYTHING to support your contention that homosexuals should be granted the right to marry. Nothing! You have merely made references to how black people were discriminated against and therefore you feel you are due the same privileges? You are men! There is no "marriage" that can take place between you.
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "No! you have not presented ANYTHING to support your contention that homosexuals should be granted the right to marry."
As I said, I've done a number of videos in which I make the case for extending the legal right to marry to same-sex couples, e.g., /watch?v=fzUFYNjUTcM /watch?v=TCHl8c47CaU and /watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak . Also as I've said, if you're interested in the case, feel free to watch those and the other videos I've done on the topic. Moreover, I've recommended...
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...your attention to an excellent piece by Jonathan Rauch on the topic, with which I would associate myself entirely. To my knowledge, despite my mentioning all of this to you several times now, you haven't watched or read any of that. I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you about it. I've told you where you can find the case being made should you wish to see the case made.
Oh, I don't dislike homosexuality, I despise it. It is grotesque, unnatural, unbalanced, and deviant. How revolting, to lust after a part of your own body.
Piss poor? you use a phrase like that and then fault me for my debating skills? will scatological references be forthcoming from you next? So far, you have made not one argument to support your cause, not one. You have no substance. I'm not at all surprised.
Really, you would have to have skills for me to fault. And there's no evidence that you do.
"So far, you have made not one argument to support your cause, not one."
I've given you several chances to present an argument to which I could respond. You haven't. In fact, you can't. I've done lots of videos in which I make the case for extending the legal right to marry to same-sex couples. If you're interested, watch those videos.
@ProfMTH they are balanced, the two great halves of humanity naturally drawn together to perform the natural acts which are the key to human propagation, the fact that they can or will not have children is not important in all cases, they are continuing the proper behavior which is the only behavior which can produce children. As natural humans, they can do nothing else.
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "the fact that they can or will not have children is not important in all cases"
So you support heteroexual couples marrying even if they can't or won't have children &, therefore, according to your earlier description, are merely "serving and pleasuring each other" & not contributing to society, but you oppose this for homosexual couples? I'm trying to get your "argument", but you're not helping. I suspect you lack an actual argument, but I'll give you one more shot.
@ProfMTH My point is made, your behaviour leads to disease, EXTREME excess, misery, and suicide. Heterosexual behaviour leads to family, balance, companionship, contentment. You are severely disadvantaged, you cannot point to one aspect of homosexuality that supports or advances our race or society. Yours is a hedonistic lifestyle, it serves nothing but your own pleasure. Your selfish attack on marriage only serves to define you as opportunistic, unprincipled and intellectually dishonest.
@ProfMTH Yes I do. And no one really knows whether or not a heterosexual couple will have a child or not, contraceptives frail and there are plenty of instances where women who thought they were safe due to age, still conceived. But you don't get it. Your behavior will NEVER conceive a child! NEVER! your behaviour is a detriment to society. It should not be encouraged let alone sanctified.
@ProfMTH BTW your arrogant demeanor, "I'll give you one more shot." does little to instill sympathy for your cause. You are the ones who need to convince the rest of us. Cause in the end, it is our acceptance you're seeking to gain. Before you disagree with that, remember, you already have the nod from your own kind to carry on as you do, why else would you scream from the rooftops that you need marriage rites? You're capable of making any kind of binding contract in law you do not need marriage
Well, if you think so. All you've done, despite my giving you several chances and even providing you questions around which to structure an argument, is to confirm my suspicion that you don't really have any arguments, but rather just some strung together assertions that in the main express--at times barely above the level of a grunt--your dislike of homosexuality.
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly "BTW your arrogant demeanor, "I'll give you one more shot." does little to instill sympathy for your cause."
First, what a piss poor way to respond to my extending you an opportunity to formulate an argument. Ah, well, fortunately charity is its own reward, so I don't need you to be grateful. Second, I neither need nor want your sympathy or support. I'm quite content to leave you alone in the dark chilly basement of your bigotry. So, um, good luck!
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "The fact that homosexuals earn plenty and often have far more disposable income goes to my argument that gay partners are not in need of the type of tax breaks afforded married men and women."
So you're in favor of denying any marital tax breaks to heterosexual married couples who have over a certain level of income, correct?
"Society should be thankful to you for what? the fact that you two are sexually servicing and pleasuring each other...."
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...for heterosexual couples who either cannot or won't have children and, therefore, are merely "servicing and pleasuring each other," correct?
He has not Bourne children, he has not hampered his career or earning potential to raise and mother a child. Society should be thankful to you for what? the fact that you two are sexually servicing and pleasuring each other rather than roaming the streets looking for fresh meat? Is that what you want the title marriage for? To bring it's definition down to gutter level?
The fact that homosexuals earn plenty and often have far more disposable income goes to my argument that gay partners are not in need of the type of tax breaks afforded married men and women. I have raised an argument that no one cares to make, though it is a point that should be made. Because my mother took YEARS out if her life to raise children rather than pursue a career of her own, she has earned the right to my fathers pension. Why should a gay man have that right? What service has he re
I'm saying that marriage is a construct that serves it's purpose only, when it exists between a man and a woman. Regardless of whether the couple can bear children or not, the only balanced and natural partner for man is woman. The bodies of men and women are made to accommodate and compliment each other.
In your case, I wouldn't know since you haven't presented any arguments, but rather a mere string of assertions. Let's return to your initial two assertions and see if I can help you to make an argument out of either or both. First, you asserted that same-sex "unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can." Later you linked this to having children. So is it your contention that only...
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...heterosexuals who are capable of having and raising children should be allowed to marry? Second, you said gay male couples have "more disposable cash than heterosexual couples." Is it your contention that only people under a certain income level should be allowed to marry?
Since homosexuals DO NOT want any part of any theological argument and since none of the three great world religions recognize the legitimacy of gay relationships they would do well to likewise reject the term marriage. Focus on civil union, why force your way into a club that so clearly despises you?
@Greg111076 "Homosexuals already have a contract for same sex coupling, it's called Civil Union."
1st, it's not available in most jurisdictions in the US. 2d, it doesn't provide all of the rights, privileges, benefits, and obligations of marriage at the local, state, and federal level--which creates a host of problems. 3d, it's really turned out to be a way to keep same-sex couples from exercising the fundamental right to marry. Finally, we will no longer accept the back of the bus.
@ProfMTH Would you prefer under the Bus instead? Your unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can, so why should you be afforded the same benefits?? So you can book one more trip to Athens or Barbados? Homosexual couples, the male ones anyway, have more disposable cash than heterosexual couples. Why? Two male incomes generally trump the combined income of heterosexual couples. Poor you!
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "Your unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can, so why should you be afforded the same benefits?"
LOL! I encourage you to read Jonathan Rauch's excellent essay "For Better or Worse? The Case for Gay (and Straight) Marriage" to get filled on the benefits to society that all marriages, whether they be opposite-sex or same-sex, bring to society. Your comment makes it quite clear that your ignorance of this is profound.
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly "Homosexual couples, the male ones anyway, have more disposable cash than heterosexual couples."
Even when that's true, so what? There's no disposable income ceiling on who may exercise the fundamental right to marry. If there were, then the marriages of a whole bunch of extremely wealthy heterosexual couples will have to dissolved immediately. But I'm betting you wouldn't advocate that because income is not *really* the issue for you here.
@ProfMTH Of course, every good homo willingly gives a portion of their income to create the propaganda neccessary to defeat society. So I suppose they already give up one trip to Aruba in their lifetime, so they DO know something about sacrifice. Also, they blackmail anyone they believe to be gay to toe the line on issues important to their agenda. Such as marriage, woe to the gay man or women who doesn't think along the same lines as the rest. It is forbidden to employ their own conscience.
@ProfMTH You are not a helpless beleaguered group of hapless politically insignificant waifs, your complaints are based solely on your deviant sexual delights snd how you feel left out and unloved by the rest of society, if you kept your filthy mouths shut about your activities, how could you even begin to feel persecuted? The only reason you even have the political clout that you do is because your numbers have been grossly inflated beyond their true measure, and politicians are cowards.
@ProfMTH Despite what is shown on television today, Most women curtail pursuit of career and financial independence so that they may be the prime caregiver to their children. Today, most of the people in their old age who are living under the poverty line are women. Marriage laws were also created so that they might be provided for because they sacrifice personal career and earn less money throughout their lives, mainly because they have taken the time out of their work life to raise children.
@ProfMTH I wouldn't touch one of your filthy homo rags anymore than I would subscribe to NAMBLA. Of course your kind know all about that organization, since there's a lot crossover interest in your group.
@sufferfoolsnotgladly Lots and lots of blather from you, but you've totally avoided my responses to your original comment. Clearly, you're not interested in discussion, but rather you merely wish to grind your axe. I don't waste my time with such nonsense. Good luck to you.
Note the people here who use acronyms like LMFAO as some kind of shorthand for an argument clincher. I see this trend all over YouTube, I picture a nation of idiots laughing manically, typing away, absolutely oblivious to the fact that they come off like a pack of obscenity spewing, moronic hyenas. So clever. Those who respond to an argument with laughter rather than rebuttal, deserve to sit on the bench, ignored.
@FujiwaraNoGo Hey ladies! Lookit this, the true face of male homosexuality! Misogyny and hatred of women! Oh well done FujiwaraNoGo you revolting unnatural pervert! Well done!
@ProfMTH citing the laws against inter-racial marriage to confer legitimacy to your cause is a very long stretch and you should beware that patience is wearing thin in the African American community.
@youngoldbones "citing the laws against inter-racial marriage to confer legitimacy to your cause is a very long stretch and you should beware that patience is wearing thin in the African American community."
@youngoldbones "Chance passed, Now what? You'll stamp your mincing little feet and have a hissy fit? You people really ARE entertaining!"
No. I'll merely reassure you that your nurse should be arriving *any* minute now with the next round of meds and the world will seem all right to you once again. Good luck! :-)
@ProfMTH I'm still waiting for you to prove your point, I guess the resounding silence following my challenge this morning proves my point, you cannot make yours, just an easy sound bite, no substance, no correlation.
@ProfMTH a video is not debate, you cannot infer a conclusive argument from a disjointed, unstructured amalgam of imagery and audio such as the one presented here.
as to the video, it states that a black and a white cannot possibly bear children, (clearly they too believed that the reason for marriage was to bear and raise children) they were wrong of course. Wait! Are you then suggesting then that two men can indeed bear children? Is that the revelation you are making here? Astounding!!
@ProfMTH None of the comments made in the narrated portion of your video have any ressemblence to anything in the Bible. Absolutely nowhere in the bible does anyone make an argument against marrying anyone on the basis of race. On the basis of gender however, the Bible has much to say. I will leave out the specific indictments against homosexuality, but I will remind you here that the ONLY sexual activity agreeable to God is that which exists between a married Man and Woman.
@ProfMTH On a more secular note though, you have not made your case. Just because one group or minority has been unfairly excluded from enjoying a certain right, does not mean that your particular group should now come under the same umbrella of protection, especially since Marriage is not a right, but a contract. A contract that is explicitly designated as a binding union of two individuals, both male and female. This contract is unique, sanctified and regenerates the population.
@tinyflyonthewall Yeah, That's absolutely true. The same things happened during the McCarthy (anti-Communist) trials last mid-century. Anyone who questioned or criticized McCarthy opened himself up to similar accusations. The enemies of truth have always used this tactic. Homosexuals included.
It's honestly sad that people don't see the similarity here. As the product of an interracial marriage, I will work for the day people will regard the obvious bigotry on this issue the same way they regard bigotry that fought against my parents' marriage.
This is a good video.There is nothing wrong with a little segregation but I think God is more tolerable of race mixing than a fag bag full of effeminate butt-buddies likeAmerica is becoming.There is notmuch worse than a MAN pretending to be a WOMAN or vise versa.I use to think that 2 women would be hot, but most of the time, the 2women are in their late 40's,growing a mushtache and trying to adopt a kid so they can screw thier minds up and proselatize a gay-friendly,super-tolerant American.BARF!
@ProfMTH Now now, Prof, not like you to succumb to ignorant, inane ramblings (dontbelieveinatheist) . Quietly dusts you down and sets your hat straight once more.
Good to hear the warm timbre of your 'quieter' voice. :)
@dontbelieveinatheist This is a stupid, misleading video, the comments by old time judges are read in a reverential fashion which would lead ignorant people to believe these quotes are somehow biblical in their derivation. Sadly, I believe there will one day be gay marriage throughout America. And God will abandon us just as we have abandoned his laws. Homosexuals do not need to corrupt the institution of marriage to have the same rights, their desire is to overturn God's law and corrupt all.
@tinyflyonthewall "Sadly, I believe there will one day be gay marriage throughout America. And God will abandon us just as we have abandoned his laws."
That's what religionists who opposed interracial marriage used to say. You make my point for me.
@ProfMTH There is no comparison, Men and Women have always had the God given right to marry, racists who feared the mixing of the races and the resultant interracial babies tried to interfere with this natural God-given right in this country. Your main point is on the top of your head. You have a God-given right to engage in whatever behavior you enjoy, and must bear the responsibility for the results. However, it will never be a marriage in God's view. Never.
You're far too refined for this forum. You should seek out a place where your lofty vocabulary and sophisticated rhetorical style will be appreciated. LOL!
Neither Jew nor Gentile. All under the blood of the Lam who came.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14For the body is not one member, but many.
@Brucev7 Keep reading and you'll find 1 Corinthians 27: "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." Maybe the 'weaker' (though homosexuals are a hell of a lot stronger than you hypocrites) to shame 'you' (maniac on a power trip). Maybe YOU screwed up so bad this is your punishment.
I want to see God's GIJoe collection. If he has fun with this, he's gotta have a giant sand-box full of 'em. :)
@DrewVolle I don't understand. Power trip? Quoting the Holy Word of God? Actually Homosexuality is a weakness, a perversion. It is not condoned by Humans' Creator. It is not Biological correct. Leads to a lack of the continuance of life. But there is hope, with repenting from an unhealthy lifestyle and accepting the perfect plan of God. Accepting salvation for eternal life.
@Brucev7 "Power-trip" you think everyone should behave exactly as you do. You believe morality is an objective truth and yours is correct. Hetrosexuals have the legal upperhand.
Not biologically correct- there is plenty of evidence that animals practice homosexuality themselves (Were they discontinued by God?). Is this God's mistake or the Devil talking them into it? Maybe we should yell at 'em for having low morals. Either way, grab your bible, my two male dogs are trying to mount each other.
@DrewVolle It's not about what me. Morality comes from God. It is not from you, me or anyone else. Humans are not animals. It is due to free will. A gift from God. Women and Men choose. Since you brought up the Bible, no instances of God condoned Homosexuality in the Bible.
@Brucev7 THAN LET THEM CHOOSE! They're not hurting YOU!
I know God never condoned it. But he said to 'love the sinner, hate the sin'. Telling the sinner that he's immoral is not loving him. The worst thing Jesus ever said was "Go and sin no more" That's it. Objective truth, meet Westboro Baptist
Do you really believe spreading this hatred of gays around would draw ANYONE to God? What about gay's straight friends? Why would they turn to God when you berated his friend for being who God made him
@DrewVolle ure an idiot....telling ppl theyre immoral is letting they know the lame truth behind the shit theyre in, its the same shit telling you that ure wrong! this helps ppl the world is not made of sunshine sometimes u must tell this to this scruffy bitches like you
@Brucev7 I know your book is REALLY old and at the time it was construed they didn't realize that a animals, vegetation, rocks etc. are made up of the same particles.....Yes a tree has the same atoms and molecules as a human. though they'd been around millions of years longer. Who give a flying crap what YOUR "god" condones....lol Did you know people who "hate" Homosexuals are Homosexuals themselves DEEPLY Closeted Homosexuals.. Theres a link in my comments on my profile. Check it out.
@brianh406 Your argument here is the same used during the Salem Witch trials, those who stood up to condemn the travesty of justice posed by the witchcraft trials were then THEMSELVES accused of witchcraft. It was a wonderful tool for quieting dissent and shutting up anyone who refused to believe the LIE. I am not at all surprised that this technique would be resurrected in anattempt to do the same here. Bravo Dip-shit!
@brianh406 The whole world knows what happened during the Salem Witch trials. Oh excuse me, the whole Educated world. I expect that leaves you out Brian.
@brianh406 Awww poor Brian, Here, we're going to put you on the short bus where you won't be over challenged. ProfMTH you must be so proud, your tutelage is producing rare fruit indeed. If an opening comes up at the University, would you be intereseted? So long as it doesn't involve critical thinking, rhetoric, book learnin' n' stuff?
@Brucev7 You understand Homosexuals can and do procreate.....bet your lil bigoted vile bronze age book didn't tell you that.....LMFAO Your mis-directed........
Don't white people understand that they were part of the heathen nations God told Israel and Judah not to mingle themselves with. Don't they understand that just like blacks,asian,arab nations whites were all equally considered heathen and evil for their religious beliefs and practices. Whites trying to create some false racial divinity of the white race.
@MetaSensuality1983 Wow, that's a really good point. In fact, after reading Brucev7(4 days ago) comment, I think that may be what he was referring to. Just because Christians believe in the same God as the Jews, he has not given us the same commandments, if he did, we would be doing like the Muslims and have holy wars to gain control for Allah etc. But we are a different body of believers (also, not Catholic, by the way because all "kingdom builders are bloody killers").
Did that ruling from the late 1800s REALLY say that blacks and whites can't have children? Would I ever have liked to have a word with them; just what am I then?
I dont get it......I dont understand how ANY American can disapprove of Equality, promote second rate citizenship and force biblical ideals onto the masses.
@brianh406 America can disapprove of "Equality" sometimes because SOMEONE has to be discriminated against. Nobody can agree on what DEFINES equality because they don't agree with the Bible as the standard. We are different people but the Bible is the ONE book that can govern us. If everyone practicies all the sexual immorality they choose, we will have people marrying animals before you know it. If being a fag was ok, 2 guys could have kids or 2 women could have kids. Its just that simple.
@dontbelieveinatheist "Marrying Animals"?? Thats a stretch don't you think. I don't see how Mr. Ed would be able to hold a pen in his hand to sign the Contract for Marriage at the court house. Are you talking about in a Couple of Million Years when horses Evolve hands over their hoofs? You do understand not all humans can procreate, hell even some straight married couples choose not to have children. There are millions of Homosexuals who have/had children the old fashion way sir. Educate!
@brianh406 Um, no. The horse evolution was disproved last century but stayed in text books for over 50 years AFTER being disproved. Also, marriage is more than a peice of paper, its flesh joining flesh. Two people becoming one flesh is intercorse (of course, of course) and I'm sure Mr.Ed was never as big a jackass as the children Darwins teaching has produced. And they are like jackasses according to the Bible in Job 11:12.--For vain man would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt.
@dontbelieveinatheist You mentioned animals marrying humans...Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with religion, A marriage license has a signature of the City Clerk, not jebus and displays the State you reside in not the church where YOU marry....So explain to me how a horse would 1. pay for the license and 2. sign a contract?? By the power invested in me by the State of California........NOT By the power invested in me by Heaven...............LMFAO
@dontbelieveinatheist Always cracks me up when Krazy Kritian Kooks buy into their own propaganda videos. IF Same Sex marriage leads to people wanting to marry Horses. Then lets back this up a bit. What were the bigots saying when the first Heterosexual marriages were taking place? "Whats next a man is going to want to marry a man?". Bigotry is good for one thing, a good laugh:-) Say more Ignorant stuff dontbelieve!!!
@brianh406 I did explain. Marriage is more than a piece of paper, its flesh joining flesh. That's what make beastiality an abomination. When we say that marriage is defined in the Bible, we are not just talking about Adam and Eve, we are talking about Christ and the Church.When Jesus saved me, he came to live inside of me by his Spirit, and a part of me is in heaven right now.That is another good thing about being born again, you get a taste of heaven before you go there. You should trust Jesus.
@dontbelieveinatheist What does heaven taste like? A little bitter with a hint of delusion? LMFAO! Ok listen, believe in what ever you want, I will not-believe in what ever I want, and life goes on. Your little jebus lives inside me story did give me a righteous laugh. FYI, people who hear voices, have "spirits" living inside them and believe story time fairy tale places are real, generally live in Insane Asylums. How are you different?
@brianh406 Heaven tastes wonderful. I would not lie to try and make a convert. I just want others to be as happy as I am. The truth is that we are all going to die some day. If there is a such thing as an "out-of-body experience" you will experience it at death. You need to know the facts BEFORE this takes place. Of course, there is a lot of speculation, guesses and lies. It is still worthy of preparation and speculation. People want to know the truth about the after-life when its time to die.
@brian 406 I don't "hear voices". I do have the Holy Spirit though. There are only 4 kind of spirits in the world: The Holy Spirit, the spirit of man, the spirit of an animal, and unclean spirits (the spirit of the Devil).Every man is born with the spirit of man. A spirit is like wind according to Jesus.Spirit comes from the greek word pnumas, like our word pneumonia, or air powered devices like a pneumatic drill. So, when you speak, sing, smoke curse, bless etc., you are doing so with a spirit.
"You should trust Jesus." I don't, and most people don't "trust" people they have never met. What makes jebus different??? The fact that NOBODY has ever met him, so he is obviously trustable?? Trust me on this one, jebus is a fraud XO
Ugh, so sick of the perpetual pecking order. I bet some of those (very) old men were subject to discrimination in their lifetimes, how are they the ones that turn around and spew hate and inequality? Moreso, in favor of using the strong(clumsy)-arm of the government to quash a social movement in favor of more freedom? I bet failing grades in history helped, but still... for shame. I wish I could do more to help, but fantastic video - hope it spreads to the ends of the net ^_^.
Never before have I seen such an eloquent analogy between the blacks and gays!!! This is truly amazing- for years I thought i was the only one who saw the vast similarities between the fight for equality based on race; and the fight for equality based on sexual orientation!!! Though, it will take a lot of fighting and despair- GAYS WILL HAVE THEIR RIGHTS!!!
I give it 50 years and america will look back on how they were bigoted towards the LGBT community and shake there heads in shame and unbelief at there ignorance.
ProfMTH this video really touched me as a gay man myself. Some how this cuts to my core being thank you for posting this truth.
I can confirm that. I live in the Netherlands, where LGBT people can marry and are respected more widely. And I know that to ME those homophobes seem like a bunch of contemptible knuckledraggers of the worst sort.
I know though, that there are many Americans who see their countrymen act like that feel the same way as I do though.
i wish I could say I share that sentiment but let me share a bit of my history with homophobia
I was dismissed as a son by my parents at age 20 when I first came out this caused a panic attack that left me in a coma for a week under sedation. Its been 4 yeas and I still can not work do to nerve damage. If I was to hold hands with my partner of 5 years and go down town I would likely end up in the hospital again for being assaulted. america has work to do.
Do you ever wonder why the so called expert on "marriage" the one and only Maggie Gallagher is never seen with her husband? If marriage is so great...why is he absent? The reason is Maggie Gallagher is married to a black man. She is in an interracial marriage. She is ASHAMED of her interracial marriage and is afraid that the conservative bigots that support her ideology will STOP DONATING to her scam organization NOM. Need Oppressive Money! 40% goes directly into her pocket.
no gay marriage = NO straight divorce. Let "protect" the sanctity of marriage. How's that for fair? If we're talking Bible, the Lord does say he disagrees with homosexuality, but I'm pretty sure He frowns on divorce. And for the record 73 percent of child molestors and rapist...heterosexual. Just sayin'.
To believers Jesus said; preach repentance for the Kingdome of Heaven is at hand, if they refuse to hear. What to do? Resist not evil, but overcome evil with good. How do you overcome evil? Obeying Jesus, He is our example. Did Jesus protest against the wickedness of Roman? No! So, why do you protest evil? Focus on your life, live for Christ, the way Christ said to live. Tell the sinner of the Kingdome, love and salvation of God, if they reject you; leave them alone as Jesus said.
Your saying being gay is a choice it is like saying to someone you made a choose to be black. Don't be silly people! Gay don't have choose either, we are who we are and that is that!
I'm not sure what you mean by "with strong Christian ties." In any case, Pdblouin, what I want is to be able legally to marry my partner of over 14 years -- civil marriage.
Thanks for the comment and, yes, the parallels between this and the cases against integration and marriage between people of different ethnicities are amazing.
Wtf, are you talking about, How do you feel oppressed by someones else opinion? Until Science can agree otherwise homosexuality is still a lifestyle regardless of how you may feel about it.
@vkain100 Think in the opposite direction. Until Science can agree otherwise homosexuality is still genetic base regardless of how you may feel about it. There is no prove it is a lifestyle, and to prove it is not is asking for a devil's prove. In case u do not understand devil's prove, here is a dummy version: u can't prove there isn't an unprovable dict growing on your head^^ Although even if there is, u clearly have closed ur mind, any evidences will simply be refused because u dont like it.
Lifestyle -A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group. [Dict??]If this is something growing in my head other will know for sure when i die, but i get your point. What would our world be like if everyone turned to the same sex? a lot less unwanted pregnancies, but what else? what if all the animals did it too? Are serial killers born or is what they do a learned behavior? if they are born that way does it make what they do right?
The definition in this case is not important, the implication of that this is a chose is the problem. "If this is something growing in my head other will know for sure when i die", not necessarily, just like people can't find all the genes of cleverness after the cleverpeople die, it may be there but human are yet too stupid to find it. Also you can't only look at results of overdose. because even salt is poisonous if overdose yet it is NATURAL and CRUCIAL for nerve system to function
Homosexal can act as an important buffer for overpopulations, as it control birth rate without reducing society effectiveness. Unlike other method (wars, diseases, accidents, disasters) that nature uses to control our population, this is one (or only?) way that nature try to control our population without killing us^^ Also just because homosexal are not attracted to womon, does not mean they don't produce sperms or eggs, in case of population drop, can be extracted and use for fertilisations.
Finally, the reasons of being a serial killer can be varied from person to person, eg childhood experiences, teached or controled by others, metal illness. But on the point of yours, may be some serial killers are born that way but the difference is, no body get hurt from people having homosexal relationship, as explained before, ALL PEOPLE GAY THEORY DON'T WORK^^. The 2 are independent, right or wrong is not single factorous matter, try keep an open mind^^
dont compair homosexuality to serial killers. serial killers break the law and harm other living things.
no homosexual person wants everyone in the world to be gay too. they just want equality, why should straight people be allowed to get married and not homosexuals?
it is a lifestyle however, who are you to say that their lifestyle is wrong or evil? sounds to me like the people who say being gay is wrong are the evil ones.
As a gay person I understand why you've made this video, but its basic counter-argument that interracial relationships and miscegenation has worked and has been some great achievement is still debatable. There are still serious interracial issues. Gay people can not have children biologically. That is the fact. It is impossible. These people are extremists. However, that people do bring people into a world of suffering is not necessarily divine.
RayL1983 1 month ago
@RayL1983 I'm afraid I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
ProfMTH 1 month ago
@RayL1983 That gay people cannot have children is actually questionable. I've heard that some experiments (but haven't checked the literature myself) have been done to create embryos from two sperm cells. The problem seems to have been wrong epigenetic programming. But we are making huge advances in reprogramming cells recently so maybe in the not too distant future embryos derived from two males will become a reality.
189643478 1 month ago
It annoys me to no end how Christians act like we are doing to them, what they do to us. Like they have a "right" to oppress us and we are bad for taking it away
Frizzurd 3 months ago
@Frizzurd Totally agree. Thanks for your comment.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
The reality is that some people are homosexuals. No one is forcing anything on anyone. Peolpe who want to make judgements about such people are constently forcing there beliefs onto and treating us accordingly you would'nt stand for such treatment.
cynt123able 3 months ago
Particularly deeply religious and uneducated African-Americans (which go hand-in-hand) are an (unconsciously) self-loathing group. To them, being gay is just below being black, so there's an opportunity for them to slight homosexuals/homosexuality, and feel better about themselves. There's an emotional and psychological payoff -- which is that they get to be "right" and "superior" to another group, which is common among minorities. It's textbook.
soundscapenyc 6 months ago
I was thinking about this the other day. I don't really care if gay people are allowed to married (note I don't call it a RIGHT to marry), but what bothers me is their claim of normalcy, and their shotgun use of homophobia (similar to how black race pimps yell out racism). It's like forcing Galileo to believe that the Sun orbits the earth....
emomagica 6 months ago
@emomagica "I don't call it a RIGHT to marry"
Doesn't really matter if you do or not. It *is* a right to marry.
"what bothers me is their claim of normalcy"
I don't really care whether you believe homosexuality is normal. If you mean it's not statistically normal, that's fine. Sterility is not statistically normal either. I bet you make no moral judgments with respect to it. If you're using 'normal' in some other sense, I have a whole body of videos addressing that.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH I'm not making a moral judgment. You ignored my other question! Are you the guy that was on WAOK a few weeks ago? You sound like him.
emomagica 6 months ago
@emomagica "I'm not making a moral judgment."
You're not?! Certainly shounds like one.
As for "the guy...on WAOK," you didn't ask me if I was he. You merely declared, "You sound like the guy that was on WAOK a few weeks ago." I don't know what WAOK is. I presume it's a radio or TV station where you like. And, no, I have not appeared on anything called WAOK.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
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vechorik 3 months ago
You sound like the guy that was on WAOK a few weeks ago.
emomagica 6 months ago
It's hilarious how gay rights supporters ALWAYS try to guilt Black people into supporting their cause! It's not gonna work.
emomagica 6 months ago
@emomagica What a lame attempt to avoid the issue. This has nothing to do with guilting anyone into anything.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH I'm not avoiding the issue, but I am sooooo tired of people trying to bundle gay rights with the civil rights movement of the 60's. I find it offensive. Yes, some of the same language that was used to discriminate against blacks is being used against gays. I don't believe in gay rights, women's rights or purple people rights. Have your civil unions, but please stop trying to reinvent what marriage is. Stop trying to force fringe behavior on society.
emomagica 6 months ago
@emomagica "Yes, some of the same language that was used to discriminate against blacks is being used against gays."
That's the point of the video. Well done.
" I don't believe in gay rights...."
Fortunately, you don't get to decide which citizens will have all the rights and privileges of citizenship and which will not.
"Have you civil unions...."
No, we've tried that. It will be marriage. Thanks just the same.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@emomagica Who are these purple people you speak of and what rights are they after?
brianh406 6 months ago
@emomagica No is forcing gay marriage on anyone. NO ONE is forcing you to marry anyone. The issue here is that YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE how other people can live their life. Not for religious, or ideological, or any other reason.
So far as a person's behavior does not negatively affect anyone around them, there is no justification for banning that behavior. To do so is bigoted and wrong.
Furthermore, gay marriage will not and cannot negatively affect anyone. Gay marriage does nothing to you.
TheSmackerlacker 5 months ago
Oh the irony.
Lordgaraj 7 months ago
@Lordgaraj Indeed.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
what a load of nonsense!!!.... there are no races you muppets!! just change over time... DNA, blood groups we ARE ALL the same! white people are descendents from other countries all the way back to africa lol .so who ever is reading this BS out is a racist prick. as for gays.. damn nature produces them all the time in all species! your ideal god is an illusion and gays or lesbians show you what does happen within nature... genetics is a bitch and sexual flaws will happen...so get over it...
jammapcb 7 months ago
@JGrant1984 "I hate gays trying to relate racism with homosexuality. They are separate and different."
Bigotry against people on the basis of race/ethnicity is not different in kind from other types of bigotry.
"don't try to twist religion"
I'm not. In this video, I merely quoted what religious people of today are saying about same-sex marriage and what religious people used to say about marriage between people of different ethnicities. They're remarkably similar. If that troubles...
ProfMTH 7 months ago
(con't) @JGrant1984 ...you--as it seems to (and, quite frankly, it should--that's the point of the video)--then your argument is not with me, but rather with the religious rhetoric that emerges from bigotry.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
The so-called "logic" in this video promoting same sex marriage is as simplistic as those who oppose it. The logical decision to allow or appose same sex marriage is simple. It is no human's business what two adults decide to do with his or her body, and with whom they do it with. True logic says "to each his own." Let every person choose for themselves. Leave them alone; let God be the judge because He is.
AchreousD 8 months ago
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AchreousD 8 months ago
To believers; Jesus said; preach repentance for the Kingdome of Heaven is at hand. If they refuse, what to do? Resist not evil, but overcome evil with good. How do you overcome evil? Obeying Jesus, He is our example. Did Jesus protest against the wickedness of Roman? No! So, why do you protest evil? Focus on your life, live for Christ, the way Christ said to live. Tell the sinner of the Kingdome, love and salvation of God, if they reject you; leave them alone as Jesus said. Let them marry
AchreousD 8 months ago
@AchreousD
You are one of the very sane Christians I've ever seen. Although you hold your personal point of view, you do not force it upon the others. Let me pay my respect to you! May your word spread like fire among all the Christians.
AkasakaS2000 6 months ago
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jaymthegenius 8 months ago
If they didn't want to live near black people then they should have thought about that before having slavery, lol!
jaymthegenius 8 months ago
WTF marriage was around long before Yahweh was even invented, ancient Hindus, Europeans, and Chinese all had marriage, so the "God" angle is weak.
jaymthegenius 8 months ago
By that logic then the pilgrims should have stayed the fuck away from America, since the pilgrims were just illegal alien squatters with no legitimate claim to this land.
jaymthegenius 8 months ago
If I'm not mistaken, you are a University professor. In Canada, school's been out since early April. However, I heard that in the U.S., it ends later. So, can we hope for a few more videos come summer?
Because this is your best video, I decided to ask here! Anytime I meet a homophobic bigot, I bust out the quote from 0:20, pretending I actually think that.
pdblouin33 8 months ago
How can Christians argue against same sex marriage? After all Joseph, the man God chose to be step-father to Jesus, was the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:2) and another man called Heli (Luke 3:23).
djhalling 9 months ago
@djhalling "How can Christians argue against same sex marriage? After all Joseph, the man God chose to be step-father to Jesus, was the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:2) and another man called Heli (Luke 3:23)."
LOL! Very clever.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
You know, if you block everyone with a dissenting opinion, you end up talking to yourself.
Greg111076 1 year ago
@Greg111076 "You know, if you block everyone with a dissenting opinion, you end up talking to yourself."
I don't block anyone because s/he expresses a dissenting opinion. Quite the opposite. I welcome dissent. I block only those who repeatedly waste my time with gibberish and fill comment box after comment box with invective such as "deviant" and "uber-fag." So, Sufferfoolsnotgladly, if in your latest of many incarnations you say something substantive and avoid invective, you'll get to stay.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
What was the name again Johnathon Raunch? So you cannot succinctly encapsulate your own ideology in your own words? You have to lean on the arm of an uber-fag? How fey of you! Still you haven't answered my question it shouldn't be too hard, it's just a yes or no question.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "you cannot succinctly encapsulate your own ideology in your own words?"
If by 'ideology' you mean my argument for extending the legal right to marriage to same-sex couples, I've told you where you can find it being made. Since you can't seem to control your deep-seated hatred of homosexuality and are getting frustrated by my not taking your bait, you've started using slurs like "uber-fag" & "fey". So I'll just wish you luck & hope you get the help you need. Bye!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Tell me you are happy with what you are, I bet you cannot.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "Tell me you are happy with what you are...."
I am deliriously happy. If you are even half as happy as I am in life, you are an extremely lucky human being.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
No! you have not presented ANYTHING to support your contention that homosexuals should be granted the right to marry. Nothing! You have merely made references to how black people were discriminated against and therefore you feel you are due the same privileges? You are men! There is no "marriage" that can take place between you.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "No! you have not presented ANYTHING to support your contention that homosexuals should be granted the right to marry."
As I said, I've done a number of videos in which I make the case for extending the legal right to marry to same-sex couples, e.g., /watch?v=fzUFYNjUTcM /watch?v=TCHl8c47CaU and /watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak . Also as I've said, if you're interested in the case, feel free to watch those and the other videos I've done on the topic. Moreover, I've recommended...
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...your attention to an excellent piece by Jonathan Rauch on the topic, with which I would associate myself entirely. To my knowledge, despite my mentioning all of this to you several times now, you haven't watched or read any of that. I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you about it. I've told you where you can find the case being made should you wish to see the case made.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
What freaks you are!
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
Oh, I don't dislike homosexuality, I despise it. It is grotesque, unnatural, unbalanced, and deviant. How revolting, to lust after a part of your own body.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
Piss poor? you use a phrase like that and then fault me for my debating skills? will scatological references be forthcoming from you next? So far, you have made not one argument to support your cause, not one. You have no substance. I'm not at all surprised.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "fault me for my debating skills?"
Really, you would have to have skills for me to fault. And there's no evidence that you do.
"So far, you have made not one argument to support your cause, not one."
I've given you several chances to present an argument to which I could respond. You haven't. In fact, you can't. I've done lots of videos in which I make the case for extending the legal right to marry to same-sex couples. If you're interested, watch those videos.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH they are balanced, the two great halves of humanity naturally drawn together to perform the natural acts which are the key to human propagation, the fact that they can or will not have children is not important in all cases, they are continuing the proper behavior which is the only behavior which can produce children. As natural humans, they can do nothing else.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "the fact that they can or will not have children is not important in all cases"
So you support heteroexual couples marrying even if they can't or won't have children &, therefore, according to your earlier description, are merely "serving and pleasuring each other" & not contributing to society, but you oppose this for homosexual couples? I'm trying to get your "argument", but you're not helping. I suspect you lack an actual argument, but I'll give you one more shot.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH My point is made, your behaviour leads to disease, EXTREME excess, misery, and suicide. Heterosexual behaviour leads to family, balance, companionship, contentment. You are severely disadvantaged, you cannot point to one aspect of homosexuality that supports or advances our race or society. Yours is a hedonistic lifestyle, it serves nothing but your own pleasure. Your selfish attack on marriage only serves to define you as opportunistic, unprincipled and intellectually dishonest.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Yes I do. And no one really knows whether or not a heterosexual couple will have a child or not, contraceptives frail and there are plenty of instances where women who thought they were safe due to age, still conceived. But you don't get it. Your behavior will NEVER conceive a child! NEVER! your behaviour is a detriment to society. It should not be encouraged let alone sanctified.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH BTW your arrogant demeanor, "I'll give you one more shot." does little to instill sympathy for your cause. You are the ones who need to convince the rest of us. Cause in the end, it is our acceptance you're seeking to gain. Before you disagree with that, remember, you already have the nod from your own kind to carry on as you do, why else would you scream from the rooftops that you need marriage rites? You're capable of making any kind of binding contract in law you do not need marriage
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "My point is made...."
Well, if you think so. All you've done, despite my giving you several chances and even providing you questions around which to structure an argument, is to confirm my suspicion that you don't really have any arguments, but rather just some strung together assertions that in the main express--at times barely above the level of a grunt--your dislike of homosexuality.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly "BTW your arrogant demeanor, "I'll give you one more shot." does little to instill sympathy for your cause."
First, what a piss poor way to respond to my extending you an opportunity to formulate an argument. Ah, well, fortunately charity is its own reward, so I don't need you to be grateful. Second, I neither need nor want your sympathy or support. I'm quite content to leave you alone in the dark chilly basement of your bigotry. So, um, good luck!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Also, a man, any man would be a poor substitute for a real Mom.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "The fact that homosexuals earn plenty and often have far more disposable income goes to my argument that gay partners are not in need of the type of tax breaks afforded married men and women."
So you're in favor of denying any marital tax breaks to heterosexual married couples who have over a certain level of income, correct?
"Society should be thankful to you for what? the fact that you two are sexually servicing and pleasuring each other...."
So no marriage...
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...for heterosexual couples who either cannot or won't have children and, therefore, are merely "servicing and pleasuring each other," correct?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
He has not Bourne children, he has not hampered his career or earning potential to raise and mother a child. Society should be thankful to you for what? the fact that you two are sexually servicing and pleasuring each other rather than roaming the streets looking for fresh meat? Is that what you want the title marriage for? To bring it's definition down to gutter level?
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
The fact that homosexuals earn plenty and often have far more disposable income goes to my argument that gay partners are not in need of the type of tax breaks afforded married men and women. I have raised an argument that no one cares to make, though it is a point that should be made. Because my mother took YEARS out if her life to raise children rather than pursue a career of her own, she has earned the right to my fathers pension. Why should a gay man have that right? What service has he re
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
You cannot say the same for sex between men or sex between women.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
I'm saying that marriage is a construct that serves it's purpose only, when it exists between a man and a woman. Regardless of whether the couple can bear children or not, the only balanced and natural partner for man is woman. The bodies of men and women are made to accommodate and compliment each other.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
Arguments that cannot be refuted are ignored you mean, I've noticed alot of that from you.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "Arguments that cannot be refuted...."
In your case, I wouldn't know since you haven't presented any arguments, but rather a mere string of assertions. Let's return to your initial two assertions and see if I can help you to make an argument out of either or both. First, you asserted that same-sex "unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can." Later you linked this to having children. So is it your contention that only...
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly ...heterosexuals who are capable of having and raising children should be allowed to marry? Second, you said gay male couples have "more disposable cash than heterosexual couples." Is it your contention that only people under a certain income level should be allowed to marry?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Since homosexuals DO NOT want any part of any theological argument and since none of the three great world religions recognize the legitimacy of gay relationships they would do well to likewise reject the term marriage. Focus on civil union, why force your way into a club that so clearly despises you?
Greg111076 1 year ago
@Greg111076 I see no reason to abandon marriage to the religionists. Heterosexuals needn't be religious to marry.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Homosexuals already have a contract for same sex coupling, it's called "Civil Union".
Greg111076 1 year ago
@Greg111076 "Homosexuals already have a contract for same sex coupling, it's called Civil Union."
1st, it's not available in most jurisdictions in the US. 2d, it doesn't provide all of the rights, privileges, benefits, and obligations of marriage at the local, state, and federal level--which creates a host of problems. 3d, it's really turned out to be a way to keep same-sex couples from exercising the fundamental right to marry. Finally, we will no longer accept the back of the bus.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Would you prefer under the Bus instead? Your unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can, so why should you be afforded the same benefits?? So you can book one more trip to Athens or Barbados? Homosexual couples, the male ones anyway, have more disposable cash than heterosexual couples. Why? Two male incomes generally trump the combined income of heterosexual couples. Poor you!
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly "Your unions don't contribute to human society anything close to what a heterosexual union can, so why should you be afforded the same benefits?"
LOL! I encourage you to read Jonathan Rauch's excellent essay "For Better or Worse? The Case for Gay (and Straight) Marriage" to get filled on the benefits to society that all marriages, whether they be opposite-sex or same-sex, bring to society. Your comment makes it quite clear that your ignorance of this is profound.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
(con't) @sufferfoolsnotgladly "Homosexual couples, the male ones anyway, have more disposable cash than heterosexual couples."
Even when that's true, so what? There's no disposable income ceiling on who may exercise the fundamental right to marry. If there were, then the marriages of a whole bunch of extremely wealthy heterosexual couples will have to dissolved immediately. But I'm betting you wouldn't advocate that because income is not *really* the issue for you here.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Of course, every good homo willingly gives a portion of their income to create the propaganda neccessary to defeat society. So I suppose they already give up one trip to Aruba in their lifetime, so they DO know something about sacrifice. Also, they blackmail anyone they believe to be gay to toe the line on issues important to their agenda. Such as marriage, woe to the gay man or women who doesn't think along the same lines as the rest. It is forbidden to employ their own conscience.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Most homosexual couples do not raise children, only propaganda.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH You are not a helpless beleaguered group of hapless politically insignificant waifs, your complaints are based solely on your deviant sexual delights snd how you feel left out and unloved by the rest of society, if you kept your filthy mouths shut about your activities, how could you even begin to feel persecuted? The only reason you even have the political clout that you do is because your numbers have been grossly inflated beyond their true measure, and politicians are cowards.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Despite what is shown on television today, Most women curtail pursuit of career and financial independence so that they may be the prime caregiver to their children. Today, most of the people in their old age who are living under the poverty line are women. Marriage laws were also created so that they might be provided for because they sacrifice personal career and earn less money throughout their lives, mainly because they have taken the time out of their work life to raise children.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I wouldn't touch one of your filthy homo rags anymore than I would subscribe to NAMBLA. Of course your kind know all about that organization, since there's a lot crossover interest in your group.
sufferfoolsnotgladly 1 year ago
@sufferfoolsnotgladly Lots and lots of blather from you, but you've totally avoided my responses to your original comment. Clearly, you're not interested in discussion, but rather you merely wish to grind your axe. I don't waste my time with such nonsense. Good luck to you.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Note the people here who use acronyms like LMFAO as some kind of shorthand for an argument clincher. I see this trend all over YouTube, I picture a nation of idiots laughing manically, typing away, absolutely oblivious to the fact that they come off like a pack of obscenity spewing, moronic hyenas. So clever. Those who respond to an argument with laughter rather than rebuttal, deserve to sit on the bench, ignored.
stickygumshoes 1 year ago
@stickygumshoes Precisely what argument have you offered?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@FujiwaraNoGo Hey ladies! Lookit this, the true face of male homosexuality! Misogyny and hatred of women! Oh well done FujiwaraNoGo you revolting unnatural pervert! Well done!
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@ProfMTH citing the laws against inter-racial marriage to confer legitimacy to your cause is a very long stretch and you should beware that patience is wearing thin in the African American community.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@youngoldbones "citing the laws against inter-racial marriage to confer legitimacy to your cause is a very long stretch and you should beware that patience is wearing thin in the African American community."
LOL! What the hell does that mean?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH No clue? Turn in your mortarboard Prof, you clearly need more schooling.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@youngoldbones Still awaiting your explanation. One more chance.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Chance passed, Now what? You'll stamp your mincing little feet and have a hissy fit? You people really ARE entertaining!
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@youngoldbones "Chance passed, Now what? You'll stamp your mincing little feet and have a hissy fit? You people really ARE entertaining!"
No. I'll merely reassure you that your nurse should be arriving *any* minute now with the next round of meds and the world will seem all right to you once again. Good luck! :-)
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I'm still waiting for you to prove your point, I guess the resounding silence following my challenge this morning proves my point, you cannot make yours, just an easy sound bite, no substance, no correlation.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@tinyflyonthewall "I'm still waiting for you to prove your point...."
Watch the video. It's been done, silly.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH a video is not debate, you cannot infer a conclusive argument from a disjointed, unstructured amalgam of imagery and audio such as the one presented here.
as to the video, it states that a black and a white cannot possibly bear children, (clearly they too believed that the reason for marriage was to bear and raise children) they were wrong of course. Wait! Are you then suggesting then that two men can indeed bear children? Is that the revelation you are making here? Astounding!!
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@ProfMTH None of the comments made in the narrated portion of your video have any ressemblence to anything in the Bible. Absolutely nowhere in the bible does anyone make an argument against marrying anyone on the basis of race. On the basis of gender however, the Bible has much to say. I will leave out the specific indictments against homosexuality, but I will remind you here that the ONLY sexual activity agreeable to God is that which exists between a married Man and Woman.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@ProfMTH On a more secular note though, you have not made your case. Just because one group or minority has been unfairly excluded from enjoying a certain right, does not mean that your particular group should now come under the same umbrella of protection, especially since Marriage is not a right, but a contract. A contract that is explicitly designated as a binding union of two individuals, both male and female. This contract is unique, sanctified and regenerates the population.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@tinyflyonthewall Yeah, That's absolutely true. The same things happened during the McCarthy (anti-Communist) trials last mid-century. Anyone who questioned or criticized McCarthy opened himself up to similar accusations. The enemies of truth have always used this tactic. Homosexuals included.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
It's honestly sad that people don't see the similarity here. As the product of an interracial marriage, I will work for the day people will regard the obvious bigotry on this issue the same way they regard bigotry that fought against my parents' marriage.
GinnyStoleMyMan 1 year ago
@GinnyStoleMyMan Well said.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
This is a good video.There is nothing wrong with a little segregation but I think God is more tolerable of race mixing than a fag bag full of effeminate butt-buddies likeAmerica is becoming.There is notmuch worse than a MAN pretending to be a WOMAN or vise versa.I use to think that 2 women would be hot, but most of the time, the 2women are in their late 40's,growing a mushtache and trying to adopt a kid so they can screw thier minds up and proselatize a gay-friendly,super-tolerant American.BARF!
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist Go fuck yourself, asshole.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Now now, Prof, not like you to succumb to ignorant, inane ramblings (dontbelieveinatheist) . Quietly dusts you down and sets your hat straight once more.
Good to hear the warm timbre of your 'quieter' voice. :)
MzHellinahandbasket 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist This is a stupid, misleading video, the comments by old time judges are read in a reverential fashion which would lead ignorant people to believe these quotes are somehow biblical in their derivation. Sadly, I believe there will one day be gay marriage throughout America. And God will abandon us just as we have abandoned his laws. Homosexuals do not need to corrupt the institution of marriage to have the same rights, their desire is to overturn God's law and corrupt all.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@tinyflyonthewall "Sadly, I believe there will one day be gay marriage throughout America. And God will abandon us just as we have abandoned his laws."
That's what religionists who opposed interracial marriage used to say. You make my point for me.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH There is no comparison, Men and Women have always had the God given right to marry, racists who feared the mixing of the races and the resultant interracial babies tried to interfere with this natural God-given right in this country. Your main point is on the top of your head. You have a God-given right to engage in whatever behavior you enjoy, and must bear the responsibility for the results. However, it will never be a marriage in God's view. Never.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@tinyflyonthewall "There is no comparison"
I've shown that there is.
"Your main point is on the top of your head."
You're far too refined for this forum. You should seek out a place where your lofty vocabulary and sophisticated rhetorical style will be appreciated. LOL!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Pearls before Swine, I agree.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@ProfMTH You have failed to show that, convince me.
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
Neither Jew nor Gentile. All under the blood of the Lam who came.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14For the body is not one member, but many.
Brucev7 1 year ago
@Brucev7 What, if anything, does all this have to do with the video?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH HAHAHA! OMG! Funny as hell. I second that. You can't just pick "A" bible verse and call it good.
DrewVolle 1 year ago
@Brucev7 Keep reading and you'll find 1 Corinthians 27: "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." Maybe the 'weaker' (though homosexuals are a hell of a lot stronger than you hypocrites) to shame 'you' (maniac on a power trip). Maybe YOU screwed up so bad this is your punishment.
I want to see God's GIJoe collection. If he has fun with this, he's gotta have a giant sand-box full of 'em. :)
DrewVolle 1 year ago
@DrewVolle I don't understand. Power trip? Quoting the Holy Word of God? Actually Homosexuality is a weakness, a perversion. It is not condoned by Humans' Creator. It is not Biological correct. Leads to a lack of the continuance of life. But there is hope, with repenting from an unhealthy lifestyle and accepting the perfect plan of God. Accepting salvation for eternal life.
Brucev7 1 year ago
@Brucev7 "Power-trip" you think everyone should behave exactly as you do. You believe morality is an objective truth and yours is correct. Hetrosexuals have the legal upperhand.
Not biologically correct- there is plenty of evidence that animals practice homosexuality themselves (Were they discontinued by God?). Is this God's mistake or the Devil talking them into it? Maybe we should yell at 'em for having low morals. Either way, grab your bible, my two male dogs are trying to mount each other.
DrewVolle 1 year ago
@DrewVolle It's not about what me. Morality comes from God. It is not from you, me or anyone else. Humans are not animals. It is due to free will. A gift from God. Women and Men choose. Since you brought up the Bible, no instances of God condoned Homosexuality in the Bible.
Brucev7 1 year ago
@Brucev7 THAN LET THEM CHOOSE! They're not hurting YOU!
I know God never condoned it. But he said to 'love the sinner, hate the sin'. Telling the sinner that he's immoral is not loving him. The worst thing Jesus ever said was "Go and sin no more" That's it. Objective truth, meet Westboro Baptist
Do you really believe spreading this hatred of gays around would draw ANYONE to God? What about gay's straight friends? Why would they turn to God when you berated his friend for being who God made him
DrewVolle 1 year ago
@DrewVolle Your not hearing me. It isn't about me, and it isn't about you. What hatred? Your irrational. Your issue is with God. It is their choice.
Brucev7 1 year ago
@DrewVolle ure an idiot....telling ppl theyre immoral is letting they know the lame truth behind the shit theyre in, its the same shit telling you that ure wrong! this helps ppl the world is not made of sunshine sometimes u must tell this to this scruffy bitches like you
mindingoduparque 1 year ago
@Brucev7 I know your book is REALLY old and at the time it was construed they didn't realize that a animals, vegetation, rocks etc. are made up of the same particles.....Yes a tree has the same atoms and molecules as a human. though they'd been around millions of years longer. Who give a flying crap what YOUR "god" condones....lol Did you know people who "hate" Homosexuals are Homosexuals themselves DEEPLY Closeted Homosexuals.. Theres a link in my comments on my profile. Check it out.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Your argument here is the same used during the Salem Witch trials, those who stood up to condemn the travesty of justice posed by the witchcraft trials were then THEMSELVES accused of witchcraft. It was a wonderful tool for quieting dissent and shutting up anyone who refused to believe the LIE. I am not at all surprised that this technique would be resurrected in anattempt to do the same here. Bravo Dip-shit!
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@tinyflyonthewall Salem Witch Trials? I dont remember them, did you record any video or have maybe a recording to prove your statement?
26 years old and believe in fairy tales...lol So did Santa Clause come visit you Saturday......LMFAO!
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 The whole world knows what happened during the Salem Witch trials. Oh excuse me, the whole Educated world. I expect that leaves you out Brian.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@brianh406 Laugh Brian, it's still one of the few pleasures afforded to the simple minded who cannot grasp complicated Ideas and concepts.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@youngoldbones "simple minded" "cannot grasp complicated Ideas and concepts" "Uneducated" LMFAO...You have anything other than hurtful things to say?
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Get back in your seat Brian, the bus is still moving, you might get hurt.
youngoldbones 1 year ago
@brianh406 Awww poor Brian, Here, we're going to put you on the short bus where you won't be over challenged. ProfMTH you must be so proud, your tutelage is producing rare fruit indeed. If an opening comes up at the University, would you be intereseted? So long as it doesn't involve critical thinking, rhetoric, book learnin' n' stuff?
tinyflyonthewall 1 year ago
@Brucev7 You understand Homosexuals can and do procreate.....bet your lil bigoted vile bronze age book didn't tell you that.....LMFAO Your mis-directed........
brianh406 1 year ago
Don't white people understand that they were part of the heathen nations God told Israel and Judah not to mingle themselves with. Don't they understand that just like blacks,asian,arab nations whites were all equally considered heathen and evil for their religious beliefs and practices. Whites trying to create some false racial divinity of the white race.
MetaSensuality1983 1 year ago
@MetaSensuality1983 Wow, that's a really good point. In fact, after reading Brucev7(4 days ago) comment, I think that may be what he was referring to. Just because Christians believe in the same God as the Jews, he has not given us the same commandments, if he did, we would be doing like the Muslims and have holy wars to gain control for Allah etc. But we are a different body of believers (also, not Catholic, by the way because all "kingdom builders are bloody killers").
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
Did that ruling from the late 1800s REALLY say that blacks and whites can't have children? Would I ever have liked to have a word with them; just what am I then?
PeachyPeachPie 1 year ago
@PeachyPeachPie Yep. Pretty amazing, eh?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I dont get it......I dont understand how ANY American can disapprove of Equality, promote second rate citizenship and force biblical ideals onto the masses.
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 America can disapprove of "Equality" sometimes because SOMEONE has to be discriminated against. Nobody can agree on what DEFINES equality because they don't agree with the Bible as the standard. We are different people but the Bible is the ONE book that can govern us. If everyone practicies all the sexual immorality they choose, we will have people marrying animals before you know it. If being a fag was ok, 2 guys could have kids or 2 women could have kids. Its just that simple.
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist "Marrying Animals"?? Thats a stretch don't you think. I don't see how Mr. Ed would be able to hold a pen in his hand to sign the Contract for Marriage at the court house. Are you talking about in a Couple of Million Years when horses Evolve hands over their hoofs? You do understand not all humans can procreate, hell even some straight married couples choose not to have children. There are millions of Homosexuals who have/had children the old fashion way sir. Educate!
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Um, no. The horse evolution was disproved last century but stayed in text books for over 50 years AFTER being disproved. Also, marriage is more than a peice of paper, its flesh joining flesh. Two people becoming one flesh is intercorse (of course, of course) and I'm sure Mr.Ed was never as big a jackass as the children Darwins teaching has produced. And they are like jackasses according to the Bible in Job 11:12.--For vain man would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt.
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist You mentioned animals marrying humans...Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with religion, A marriage license has a signature of the City Clerk, not jebus and displays the State you reside in not the church where YOU marry....So explain to me how a horse would 1. pay for the license and 2. sign a contract?? By the power invested in me by the State of California........NOT By the power invested in me by Heaven...............LMFAO
brianh406 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist Always cracks me up when Krazy Kritian Kooks buy into their own propaganda videos. IF Same Sex marriage leads to people wanting to marry Horses. Then lets back this up a bit. What were the bigots saying when the first Heterosexual marriages were taking place? "Whats next a man is going to want to marry a man?". Bigotry is good for one thing, a good laugh:-) Say more Ignorant stuff dontbelieve!!!
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 I did explain. Marriage is more than a piece of paper, its flesh joining flesh. That's what make beastiality an abomination. When we say that marriage is defined in the Bible, we are not just talking about Adam and Eve, we are talking about Christ and the Church.When Jesus saved me, he came to live inside of me by his Spirit, and a part of me is in heaven right now.That is another good thing about being born again, you get a taste of heaven before you go there. You should trust Jesus.
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist What does heaven taste like? A little bitter with a hint of delusion? LMFAO! Ok listen, believe in what ever you want, I will not-believe in what ever I want, and life goes on. Your little jebus lives inside me story did give me a righteous laugh. FYI, people who hear voices, have "spirits" living inside them and believe story time fairy tale places are real, generally live in Insane Asylums. How are you different?
Krazy Kritian Kooks
brianh406 1 year ago
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@brianh406 Heaven tastes wonderful. I would not lie to try and make a convert. I just want others to be as happy as I am. The truth is that we are all going to die some day. If there is a such thing as an "out-of-body experience" you will experience it at death. You need to know the facts BEFORE this takes place. Of course, there is a lot of speculation, guesses and lies. It is still worthy of preparation and speculation. People want to know the truth about the after-life when its time to die.
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@brian 406 I don't "hear voices". I do have the Holy Spirit though. There are only 4 kind of spirits in the world: The Holy Spirit, the spirit of man, the spirit of an animal, and unclean spirits (the spirit of the Devil).Every man is born with the spirit of man. A spirit is like wind according to Jesus.Spirit comes from the greek word pnumas, like our word pneumonia, or air powered devices like a pneumatic drill. So, when you speak, sing, smoke curse, bless etc., you are doing so with a spirit.
dontbelieveinatheist 1 year ago
@dontbelieveinatheist Why do delusional xtians always talk about invisible things??? jebus, heaven, spirits, Devil, etc........ Delusional...
brianh406 1 year ago
@brianh406 Cause nothing visible supports them.
DrewVolle 1 year ago
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"You should trust Jesus." I don't, and most people don't "trust" people they have never met. What makes jebus different??? The fact that NOBODY has ever met him, so he is obviously trustable?? Trust me on this one, jebus is a fraud XO
brianh406 1 year ago
Wow, this video was beautifully done. Thank you.
KaraRvn 1 year ago
@KaraRvn Thank *you*.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Aww! Oh, I just made a video about love as a Secular Humanist. I hope you like it. ^^
KaraRvn 1 year ago
Ugh, so sick of the perpetual pecking order. I bet some of those (very) old men were subject to discrimination in their lifetimes, how are they the ones that turn around and spew hate and inequality? Moreso, in favor of using the strong(clumsy)-arm of the government to quash a social movement in favor of more freedom? I bet failing grades in history helped, but still... for shame. I wish I could do more to help, but fantastic video - hope it spreads to the ends of the net ^_^.
vegassilenttype 1 year ago
@vegassilenttype "fantastic video"
Thanks a lot.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Never before have I seen such an eloquent analogy between the blacks and gays!!! This is truly amazing- for years I thought i was the only one who saw the vast similarities between the fight for equality based on race; and the fight for equality based on sexual orientation!!! Though, it will take a lot of fighting and despair- GAYS WILL HAVE THEIR RIGHTS!!!
poeticlunacy1 1 year ago
@poeticlunacy1 "Never before have I seen such an eloquent analogy between the blacks and gays!!! "
Thanks.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I give it 50 years and america will look back on how they were bigoted towards the LGBT community and shake there heads in shame and unbelief at there ignorance.
ProfMTH this video really touched me as a gay man myself. Some how this cuts to my core being thank you for posting this truth.
inquiry10 1 year ago
@inquiry10 Thanks for the comment. I'm glad you were touched by the video.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@inquiry10
I can confirm that. I live in the Netherlands, where LGBT people can marry and are respected more widely. And I know that to ME those homophobes seem like a bunch of contemptible knuckledraggers of the worst sort.
I know though, that there are many Americans who see their countrymen act like that feel the same way as I do though.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
i wish I could say I share that sentiment but let me share a bit of my history with homophobia
I was dismissed as a son by my parents at age 20 when I first came out this caused a panic attack that left me in a coma for a week under sedation. Its been 4 yeas and I still can not work do to nerve damage. If I was to hold hands with my partner of 5 years and go down town I would likely end up in the hospital again for being assaulted. america has work to do.
inquiry10 1 year ago
Do you ever wonder why the so called expert on "marriage" the one and only Maggie Gallagher is never seen with her husband? If marriage is so great...why is he absent? The reason is Maggie Gallagher is married to a black man. She is in an interracial marriage. She is ASHAMED of her interracial marriage and is afraid that the conservative bigots that support her ideology will STOP DONATING to her scam organization NOM. Need Oppressive Money! 40% goes directly into her pocket.
neenerpuss 1 year ago
no gay marriage = NO straight divorce. Let "protect" the sanctity of marriage. How's that for fair? If we're talking Bible, the Lord does say he disagrees with homosexuality, but I'm pretty sure He frowns on divorce. And for the record 73 percent of child molestors and rapist...heterosexual. Just sayin'.
charmboi3178 1 year ago
To believers Jesus said; preach repentance for the Kingdome of Heaven is at hand, if they refuse to hear. What to do? Resist not evil, but overcome evil with good. How do you overcome evil? Obeying Jesus, He is our example. Did Jesus protest against the wickedness of Roman? No! So, why do you protest evil? Focus on your life, live for Christ, the way Christ said to live. Tell the sinner of the Kingdome, love and salvation of God, if they reject you; leave them alone as Jesus said.
AchreousD 1 year ago
Your saying being gay is a choice it is like saying to someone you made a choose to be black. Don't be silly people! Gay don't have choose either, we are who we are and that is that!
neil22100 1 year ago
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pdblouin33 1 year ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "with strong Christian ties." In any case, Pdblouin, what I want is to be able legally to marry my partner of over 14 years -- civil marriage.
Thanks for the comment and, yes, the parallels between this and the cases against integration and marriage between people of different ethnicities are amazing.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Wtf, are you talking about, How do you feel oppressed by someones else opinion? Until Science can agree otherwise homosexuality is still a lifestyle regardless of how you may feel about it.
vkain100 1 year ago
@vkain100 Think in the opposite direction. Until Science can agree otherwise homosexuality is still genetic base regardless of how you may feel about it. There is no prove it is a lifestyle, and to prove it is not is asking for a devil's prove. In case u do not understand devil's prove, here is a dummy version: u can't prove there isn't an unprovable dict growing on your head^^ Although even if there is, u clearly have closed ur mind, any evidences will simply be refused because u dont like it.
giroro90 1 year ago
Lifestyle -A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group. [Dict??]If this is something growing in my head other will know for sure when i die, but i get your point. What would our world be like if everyone turned to the same sex? a lot less unwanted pregnancies, but what else? what if all the animals did it too? Are serial killers born or is what they do a learned behavior? if they are born that way does it make what they do right?
vkain100 1 year ago
The definition in this case is not important, the implication of that this is a chose is the problem. "If this is something growing in my head other will know for sure when i die", not necessarily, just like people can't find all the genes of cleverness after the cleverpeople die, it may be there but human are yet too stupid to find it. Also you can't only look at results of overdose. because even salt is poisonous if overdose yet it is NATURAL and CRUCIAL for nerve system to function
giroro90 1 year ago
Homosexal can act as an important buffer for overpopulations, as it control birth rate without reducing society effectiveness. Unlike other method (wars, diseases, accidents, disasters) that nature uses to control our population, this is one (or only?) way that nature try to control our population without killing us^^ Also just because homosexal are not attracted to womon, does not mean they don't produce sperms or eggs, in case of population drop, can be extracted and use for fertilisations.
giroro90 1 year ago
Finally, the reasons of being a serial killer can be varied from person to person, eg childhood experiences, teached or controled by others, metal illness. But on the point of yours, may be some serial killers are born that way but the difference is, no body get hurt from people having homosexal relationship, as explained before, ALL PEOPLE GAY THEORY DON'T WORK^^. The 2 are independent, right or wrong is not single factorous matter, try keep an open mind^^
PS: my Eng sucks, sorry T T
giroro90 1 year ago
your an ass (vkain100) being gay is no choose! I am through with you!
neil22100 1 year ago
@neil22100 What the hell did i ever do to you? Anyway fine be through with me.
vkain100 1 year ago
dont compair homosexuality to serial killers. serial killers break the law and harm other living things.
no homosexual person wants everyone in the world to be gay too. they just want equality, why should straight people be allowed to get married and not homosexuals?
it is a lifestyle however, who are you to say that their lifestyle is wrong or evil? sounds to me like the people who say being gay is wrong are the evil ones.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
First off, Ill make any comparison I like. Second; youre a man Im guessing just like me, so what cant you do that I can?
vkain100 1 year ago
I can do anything you can
homosexuals on the other hand; in some states they cannot get married due to the lack of good will towards men.
dont assume im gay just because i support gay marriage, its called being a good person.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
The age of consent in some states is younger than 18. So whats your point?
By the same token it doesn't make me a bad person for