@santanoreal1096 Any rifle with a barrel under 16" is considered a short barreled rifle (SBR), shotgun barrels must be 18" I believe. Seems stupid, but put a stock of any kind on a pistol and it becomes an SBR. The 5.5" barrel KRISS is an SBR and requires a $200 stamp in every state that allows a civilian to own an SBR (check your state - your state defines who can possess legal class III devices).
@packinwood2009 Given the price of ammunition, even with the reduced prices over the last year - you could say that about pretty much any gun except a .22.
@darkhors3gaming The MSRP is for the KRISS ranges from $1895 to $2845 depending on configuration and if you want the "tac pac" that includes surefire light, eotech scope, sling, bipod grip, etc. The SBR is $100 more than the 16" barrel, but then you need to add the $200 tax stamp for the ATF class III paperwork (it isn't a big deal). Make sure you get the threaded SBR, especially since they are the same price so you can add a suppressor (assuming that your state allows SBR and suppressors).
they are listed on the Kriss website at 1700 for the base carbine length model. 1900 for the base SBR model. and 2045 for the SBR with a threaded barrel. For both the sbr and carbine models they offer something called a "tac-pac" that includes a sp-sling, eotech holosight, bipod grip, and surefire light for an extra $900 with the gun. these are all semi-auto only. the site doesnt list the cost of the mil-police automatic versions. they dont offer threaded barrels on the carbines
@Lonewolf6565 I believe threading is still available, but as a special order, and the last cost I saw for the manufacturer to do the threading was $150. I think they use a different barrel when they thread it which I think is why TDI-KRISS did not recommend having the barrel threaded outside the factory. But this is not very current info and their policy (and barrels) may have changed since I got my 1st run KRISS. I added an EOTech, wow does it make a difference.
no. the fake suppressors are just hollow tubes that screw over the existing barrel to make the barrel look like it has a full length suppressor attached. you can legally remove fake suppressors because they are just slipped over the existing barrel and are strictly cosmetic& not integral. sbrs are regulated because they are easily concealed. the current sbr laws are reasonable in most states and no TDI do not offer threading on the carbine length models at all. only the sbr versions.
@Disbro87 I ordered mine from the factory as part of it's 1st production run. AZFirearms in Avondale carry's them and so has Scottsdale Gun Club (don't know if they still do or not).
@Agent1W The folding stock makes it a rifle, so any rifle barrel less than 16" is an SBR. Completely ridiculous stupid to need a $200 tax stamp when you could put the same magazine in a .45 Glock.
@azweapon Wow, that means any weapon with a folding stock can be a SBR? When I think of SBRs, I think of carbines, as carbines are the smaller variants of their full-sized counterparts.
@Agent1W there are versions of the gun that have a fake supressor on them to make them 16" barrel so you dont have to have a $200 tax stamp to have a registered SBR.
by us federal law any weapon with any attached stock folding, adjustable, or fixed is considered a rifle no matter what the caliber. and as a rifle it is required to have a barrel length of at least 16 inches to be legal without falling into the SBS category. SBS category weapons require a $200 fee paid to the atf . as long as you pay the fee and SBS weapons are legal in your state&town anyone can get one. shotguns are the same they just require a length of 18 inches else they be SBSs.
@Lonewolf6565 Strongly agree with Lonewolf's statement. Don't assume you can legally remove a fake suppressor (but I think it is integral to the barrel anyway in the KRISS carbine so it's not possible to simply remove the suppressor and get an SBR). A fake suppressor that brings a barrel to the 16 inch minimum is 'permanently" attached (you won't be able to remove it without cutting the barrel or drilling a screw out, etc).
@azweapon Have to add my favorite comment about how stupid the concept of an SBR is to require a tax stamp: Add a stock to a pistol and it becomes more dangerous? Ok, a bit more accurate, but if that was an issue then full length barrel rifles are way more dangerous because of the improved accuracy and they should also require a tax stamp, but they don't. And neither do pistols. An SBR needing to be controlled as an ATF class III item is stupid. But I do like you guys at BATF (nothing personal).
@scmaster53 lulz. safety reasons? what do they even mean by that? just how safe is a gun anyway once you point it at something? isn't gun safety dependent on the user anyway, and not the gun? do they expect you to just look at the thing? do you have to sign an agreement that it's going to be used for "safety" reasons, not "me and my buddies are gonna get drunk and shoot up the woods with this shit!" reasons? MA sounds like a backwards state, sorry you gotta put up with their dumb gun laws, bro.
@kemalkautsar Did not test fire it before purchasing - this was after we finally got the BATF tax stamp approved so we could pick up the gun. Some gun shops with ranges, like SGC in Scottsdale AZ have KRISS rentals (or they did, I think).
onyxpilot, I've heard that a few times from people who had no experience handling the KRISS - but never from someone who has. The folding stock makes a significant difference as well as the reduced recoil. We have had Front Site certified pistol Combat Masters who would strongly disagree with you.
you can easily make it full auto its just illegal but just dont fire it on auto unless there is nobody spt ur friends around. and there isnt a squad of people that go in ur house and check ur guns to see if there automatic....yet
i dont' know where to find a kit but this is kinda a new gun so they probably dont sell the kits. btw it is illegal to use the kits but it isnt illegal to buy them lol
You are a complete fool for asking online how to illegally convert a firearm to full automatic. There arent any kits and I seriously doubt you know crap about modifying a gun anyway
Be gentle C172Pilotdude, be gentle. Lots of newbies who don't know the law yet. BUT newbies, he is right about full-auto kits, if you find someone who says they can sell you a kit to convert the KRISS to full-auto - probably not a dude you want to have any association with (you don't want the BATF following up on the order he sent you).
A civilian cannot convert a firearm manufactured after 1986 to full auto (without being a class III dealer, manufacturer, etc). You can get a registered full-auto receiver and do all sorts of additions that can make the weapon look significantly different but at it's heart, the piece that matters is the part that BATF has on record as being registered as full-auto. The full-auto MAC's are one of the least expensive ways to start out - LOTS of mods out there making some interesting guns.
@azweapon wait..so u mean to tell me that we can take my dads pre-ban ak-47. and turn it fully auto "at home" and not get in trouble? or am i misunderstanding you?
No, you will definitely get in trouble converting something "at home". Doesn't matter if the AK was pre-ban or not; it had to have been registered as full-auto with the BATF prior to the 1986 law going into effect. I'm probably confusing more people but you can customize your existing legal machine gun; like converting it to an SBR without extra tax stamps - just by changing barrels. AK experts may be able to comment on what you can do with a full-auto AK to make
That defeats the purpose of owning a gun. If you ever have to REALLY use it, you go to jail on a felony charge, and all your guns get taken away......
@joshmosh79 Well, with the stock folded, it can be one handed like a pistol, and used far more accurately than a pistol if used with two hands while remaining compact as shit. Perfect for home defense if you ask me
automatic firearms manufactured after 1986 are completely illegal for civilians to own at all in the united states. unless you are a certified dealer or LEO/on duty military you cannot have one made post 86. carbine length models are available and are still fun to shoot without fully automatic fire.
ok please somebody answer! do you need a class 3 weapon licence to own this since the barrel is so short?
santanoreal1096 1 year ago
@santanoreal1096 Any rifle with a barrel under 16" is considered a short barreled rifle (SBR), shotgun barrels must be 18" I believe. Seems stupid, but put a stock of any kind on a pistol and it becomes an SBR. The 5.5" barrel KRISS is an SBR and requires a $200 stamp in every state that allows a civilian to own an SBR (check your state - your state defines who can possess legal class III devices).
azweapon 11 months ago
if you have to ask how much you cant afford it
packinwood2009 1 year ago
@packinwood2009 Given the price of ammunition, even with the reduced prices over the last year - you could say that about pretty much any gun except a .22.
azweapon 11 months ago
I've been shooting at the same exact spot you're at. 520
Joelsefur 1 year ago
how much did it cost you?
darkhors3gaming 1 year ago
@darkhors3gaming The MSRP is for the KRISS ranges from $1895 to $2845 depending on configuration and if you want the "tac pac" that includes surefire light, eotech scope, sling, bipod grip, etc. The SBR is $100 more than the 16" barrel, but then you need to add the $200 tax stamp for the ATF class III paperwork (it isn't a big deal). Make sure you get the threaded SBR, especially since they are the same price so you can add a suppressor (assuming that your state allows SBR and suppressors).
azweapon 11 months ago
How much is it brand new?
FredErikson911 1 year ago
@FredErikson911
they are listed on the Kriss website at 1700 for the base carbine length model. 1900 for the base SBR model. and 2045 for the SBR with a threaded barrel. For both the sbr and carbine models they offer something called a "tac-pac" that includes a sp-sling, eotech holosight, bipod grip, and surefire light for an extra $900 with the gun. these are all semi-auto only. the site doesnt list the cost of the mil-police automatic versions. they dont offer threaded barrels on the carbines
Lonewolf6565 1 year ago
@Lonewolf6565 I believe threading is still available, but as a special order, and the last cost I saw for the manufacturer to do the threading was $150. I think they use a different barrel when they thread it which I think is why TDI-KRISS did not recommend having the barrel threaded outside the factory. But this is not very current info and their policy (and barrels) may have changed since I got my 1st run KRISS. I added an EOTech, wow does it make a difference.
azweapon 1 year ago
@azweapon
no. the fake suppressors are just hollow tubes that screw over the existing barrel to make the barrel look like it has a full length suppressor attached. you can legally remove fake suppressors because they are just slipped over the existing barrel and are strictly cosmetic& not integral. sbrs are regulated because they are easily concealed. the current sbr laws are reasonable in most states and no TDI do not offer threading on the carbine length models at all. only the sbr versions.
Lonewolf6565 1 year ago
now go back to the civil war with this gun and watch all the soldiers shit themselves in front of you
tannen360 1 year ago
do you all live in arizona? if so where did you get it?
Disbro87 1 year ago
@Disbro87 I ordered mine from the factory as part of it's 1st production run. AZFirearms in Avondale carry's them and so has Scottsdale Gun Club (don't know if they still do or not).
azweapon 1 year ago
Kriss Super V is also knowed as Vector
CopyRight77707 1 year ago
I'm curious, why is that firearm a SBR? I mean, the barrel appears to have the same length as a pistol, machine pistol, or SMG barrel.
Agent1W 1 year ago
@Agent1W The folding stock makes it a rifle, so any rifle barrel less than 16" is an SBR. Completely ridiculous stupid to need a $200 tax stamp when you could put the same magazine in a .45 Glock.
azweapon 1 year ago
@azweapon Wow, that means any weapon with a folding stock can be a SBR? When I think of SBRs, I think of carbines, as carbines are the smaller variants of their full-sized counterparts.
Agent1W 1 year ago
@Agent1W If the barrel length is 16" or longer, it's not an SBR. Put a folding stock on a pistol and you have an SBR.
azweapon 1 year ago
This was very helpful. Thank you for your time commenting!
Agent1W 1 year ago
@Agent1W there are versions of the gun that have a fake supressor on them to make them 16" barrel so you dont have to have a $200 tax stamp to have a registered SBR.
SNIPERSTEVE420 1 year ago
@Agent1W
by us federal law any weapon with any attached stock folding, adjustable, or fixed is considered a rifle no matter what the caliber. and as a rifle it is required to have a barrel length of at least 16 inches to be legal without falling into the SBS category. SBS category weapons require a $200 fee paid to the atf . as long as you pay the fee and SBS weapons are legal in your state&town anyone can get one. shotguns are the same they just require a length of 18 inches else they be SBSs.
Lonewolf6565 1 year ago
@Lonewolf6565 Strongly agree with Lonewolf's statement. Don't assume you can legally remove a fake suppressor (but I think it is integral to the barrel anyway in the KRISS carbine so it's not possible to simply remove the suppressor and get an SBR). A fake suppressor that brings a barrel to the 16 inch minimum is 'permanently" attached (you won't be able to remove it without cutting the barrel or drilling a screw out, etc).
azweapon 1 year ago
@azweapon Have to add my favorite comment about how stupid the concept of an SBR is to require a tax stamp: Add a stock to a pistol and it becomes more dangerous? Ok, a bit more accurate, but if that was an issue then full length barrel rifles are way more dangerous because of the improved accuracy and they should also require a tax stamp, but they don't. And neither do pistols. An SBR needing to be controlled as an ATF class III item is stupid. But I do like you guys at BATF (nothing personal).
azweapon 1 year ago
so how is the gun?
youngwun446 1 year ago
Wish I didnt live in MA. We are only allowed guns that have been "approved" for "safety" reasons. I cant wait to move out of this state lol
scmaster53 1 year ago
@scmaster53 lulz. safety reasons? what do they even mean by that? just how safe is a gun anyway once you point it at something? isn't gun safety dependent on the user anyway, and not the gun? do they expect you to just look at the thing? do you have to sign an agreement that it's going to be used for "safety" reasons, not "me and my buddies are gonna get drunk and shoot up the woods with this shit!" reasons? MA sounds like a backwards state, sorry you gotta put up with their dumb gun laws, bro.
TheHevquip 1 year ago
you can buy one from scottsdale gun club for about $2,000
817popeye 1 year ago
hey, how do you test it?do you have to have an appointment to the TDI or something?thanks...
kemalkautsar 2 years ago
@kemalkautsar Did not test fire it before purchasing - this was after we finally got the BATF tax stamp approved so we could pick up the gun. Some gun shops with ranges, like SGC in Scottsdale AZ have KRISS rentals (or they did, I think).
azweapon 1 year ago
@azweapon oh, ok then..so the civilian version is not full-auto, right?
kemalkautsar 1 year ago
@kemalkautsar Correct.
azweapon 1 year ago
FLip that little switch to turn it full auto ... even though it is illegal lol
iTzzEuphoriaaaaaa 2 years ago
That firearm can not do anything a .45 pistol can do. Unless it is full auto, semi-auto carbines make no sense.
Buy yourself a Glock 21
onyxpilot 2 years ago
other than be more accurate at longer ranges, but I see the point your trying to make.
xld3000 2 years ago
It's fully auto.
Abengoshis 2 years ago
no the civilian version is semi auto only son
cheech658 2 years ago 5
Ah the civilian version, ok.
I've seen auto ones so forgive me for the misunderstanding.
Abengoshis 2 years ago
They are more accurate than a pistol.
Glocks are over hyped and over priced.
Buy a Springfield XD
ryotaryuu 2 years ago
I love my KRISS because it is unique. But I really like the Springfield XD's. My next handgun will probably be one of the XD's.
azweapon 2 years ago
nah, buy an M&P .45
Mike11069 2 years ago
onyxpilot, I've heard that a few times from people who had no experience handling the KRISS - but never from someone who has. The folding stock makes a significant difference as well as the reduced recoil. We have had Front Site certified pistol Combat Masters who would strongly disagree with you.
azweapon 2 years ago
How much the Semiauto version dowes it cost?
fokkeddie 2 years ago
Im guessing around 2k. 1600ish.
romanosalvatore 2 years ago
whered u get it?
DaigurenHynomaru 2 years ago
Mine was one of the 1st directly from the manufacturer (via my local FFL). Check the KRISS TDI website for a local dealer.
azweapon 2 years ago
you can easily make it full auto its just illegal but just dont fire it on auto unless there is nobody spt ur friends around. and there isnt a squad of people that go in ur house and check ur guns to see if there automatic....yet
69poopmaster69 2 years ago
Do you know where i can find some directions for a conversion.??
AlexCell33 2 years ago
i dont' know where to find a kit but this is kinda a new gun so they probably dont sell the kits. btw it is illegal to use the kits but it isnt illegal to buy them lol
69poopmaster69 2 years ago
thataway
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Tailsfan98 2 years ago
You are a complete fool for asking online how to illegally convert a firearm to full automatic. There arent any kits and I seriously doubt you know crap about modifying a gun anyway
C172Pilotdude 2 years ago
Be gentle C172Pilotdude, be gentle. Lots of newbies who don't know the law yet. BUT newbies, he is right about full-auto kits, if you find someone who says they can sell you a kit to convert the KRISS to full-auto - probably not a dude you want to have any association with (you don't want the BATF following up on the order he sent you).
azweapon 2 years ago
A civilian cannot convert a firearm manufactured after 1986 to full auto (without being a class III dealer, manufacturer, etc). You can get a registered full-auto receiver and do all sorts of additions that can make the weapon look significantly different but at it's heart, the piece that matters is the part that BATF has on record as being registered as full-auto. The full-auto MAC's are one of the least expensive ways to start out - LOTS of mods out there making some interesting guns.
azweapon 2 years ago
@azweapon wait..so u mean to tell me that we can take my dads pre-ban ak-47. and turn it fully auto "at home" and not get in trouble? or am i misunderstanding you?
BMX2232 1 year ago
No, you will definitely get in trouble converting something "at home". Doesn't matter if the AK was pre-ban or not; it had to have been registered as full-auto with the BATF prior to the 1986 law going into effect. I'm probably confusing more people but you can customize your existing legal machine gun; like converting it to an SBR without extra tax stamps - just by changing barrels. AK experts may be able to comment on what you can do with a full-auto AK to make
azweapon 1 year ago
@azweapon ok.... i was gonna say i have NEVER heard of anything like that before, but thanks!
BMX2232 1 year ago
@69poopmaster69
That defeats the purpose of owning a gun. If you ever have to REALLY use it, you go to jail on a felony charge, and all your guns get taken away......
GadgetsNGear 2 years ago
I was thinking about getting one but then I learned it only fire semi-auto
generalshrooms 2 years ago
i guess its semi-auto for civilians. not much point in getting a sub-machine gun without the automatic capabilities.
joshmosh79 2 years ago 11
@joshmosh79 unless you want to buy it of course i mean if i had the opportunity to rent one i might love it and buy one after but maybe not
lengthOFpole 1 year ago
@joshmosh79 Well, with the stock folded, it can be one handed like a pistol, and used far more accurately than a pistol if used with two hands while remaining compact as shit. Perfect for home defense if you ask me
daBlade80 1 year ago 2
@joshmosh79
automatic firearms manufactured after 1986 are completely illegal for civilians to own at all in the united states. unless you are a certified dealer or LEO/on duty military you cannot have one made post 86. carbine length models are available and are still fun to shoot without fully automatic fire.
Lonewolf6565 1 year ago
1600-3600
excursel 3 years ago
very nice. Does anyone know how much this is running for?
Shadowhunter712 3 years ago
Shadow-- I bought mine for $2000,00
usarmycaptainamerica 2 years ago
wow I hope that was the full auto.....
Shadowhunter712 2 years ago