@futureorreligion It might come as a suprise to you, but a lot of Christians don't think the bible just dropped from the Heavens. There for a lot of believe that indeed men wrote the bible and used words and stories best suited in depicting what God wants us to know. Have you ever watched a sun set? I assume so, but you must know the sun never sets. Yet you probably refered to it as such. Why? Whether they thought the Earth was flat or not had nothing to do with what was being said in the verse.
Those stories tell us a lot of thinks. Many of those claims can be tested and many cant.
As time goes by, humans discover that more and more of the stories believed to be a literal truth by previous generations are factually wrong, so they become symbolic. Flat earth is just one of many... genesis creation - doesnt fit with the factually verified origins of Earth and life, global flood - didnt happen, tower of babel - wrong explanation for diversity of languages...
I would like to know how can you feel confident that unverifiable bible's passages about what God/Jesus spoke and wants you to do are true when you do know that the same book describes many verifiable things (including many deeds supposedly done by God) which turned out to be wrong?
@futureorreligion The Bible isn't an explanation of the world, but an explanation of God and the relationship we should have with him. It doesn't matter or not if they are 100% literally true. Only one story does, and thats the resurrection. We choose to take them as literal. Also there are no factual origins of Earth. Only that its 4+ billion years old, and that there was a big bang. Also science has a big problem explaining morality outside of basic tribal instincts.
@yeadude657 actually its sort of both, but ok... How do you know what kind of relationship should you have with God? Does Jesus really wants us to: unquestionably obey those in power give part of our income to the church turn the other cheek (dont stand up for yourself... family, friends, county...) leave our families, give away all our possessions and become bomb preachers ... it seems too inconvenient, so lets ignore that it!? How do you chose which bits of bible to take seriously?
@ChristMetalFreak God is supposed to be perfect, fully actualized with no further potential (Room for improvement), your god seems to be needy and a show off, far from perfect. Why would a perfect being devise a universe where he would have to send some of his creation to H E LL.
@47saeed Why do people keep pets? I would say people keep pets mostly for companionship and mutual affection. The bible states that our spirits were created in the image of god, therefore one could argue, god has similar traits.
@sned10000 As humans we NEED companionship. God of the Abrahamic religions and many other religions is supposed to have no needs. From that aspect if such a god exists he is different from us humans. Our need for companionship would be the reason for some of us getting pets, since god has no needs, a need cannot be the reason behind his decision to create us.
@47saeed "As humans we NEED companionship" Yes, but people don't get pets because they NEED companionship. They get them because they WANT companionship. God doesn't need us. Christians believes he wants us. If we were made in gods spiritual image, it would explain where our compassion for others comes from, evolutionary psychology can explain why we feel the need to live cooperatively, but it cannot explain why we feel the need to help the unable and weak.
@47saeed I couldn't say exactly why, but maybe something along the lines of, because God’s nature is Love, he wanted to share what was good with something “in his image,” so he created us. And because his love was perfect (and not forced/imposed, which would be imperfect), he gave us free will. (The choice to determine what we would do, on our own.) he WANTS us to be with him and like i said, free will is the only way for true love, its our choice. This is what Christians believe anyway
@sned10000 If I use my free will and free mind and come to the conclusion that there is no God, will he send me to hell? So God loved us before he created us. What does Jesus’ teaching or bible say on why god created us?
@47saeed "will he send me to hell" I think that depends on how you live your life. Personally i believe hell is for reserved for people who commit evil acts and have only regard for themselves. When Jesus said
"He who believes in me will live, even though he dies" I think he meant believe in my way of life; to live with his morals. i do however believe that through Christianity people can be united with god, maybe atheists will just cease to exist after death if they have lived good lives.
@sned10000 I know many Christians who do not believe in Hell. I personally have a problem with any religion which has a concept of hell. I do not believe in god heaven or hell so hell is not a concern for me, I do however find it difficult to see how very nice people can believe anyone deserves eternal torment no matter what their crime.
@47saeed Im pretty sure Hell exists, Jesus mentioned it a fair bit and it is also talked about elsewhere in the bible. If there was no hell then there would be no divine justice unless of course ceasing to exist was classed as a punishment. Jesus said "they shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" if you drop all the medieval imagery attached to hell, i think hell is just a place devoid of gods love.
@sned10000 You say Jesus mentions hell quite a bit. I would like to know what he said about hell and if you could point me to where in the bible hell is mentioned by Jesus or anyone else.
@47saeed The way we were treated and taught as children, has shaped the way we see morals. (remember, what you think are true morals, may not be true for the people across the world.) Thankfully, we westerners are brought up in Christian based societys, so it could well be that any atheist whos morals reflect that of what Jesus taught then yes, perhaps they could go to heaven. I really don't know, though i do strongly believe that evil people will suffer for the suffering they have inflicted
@47saeed The bible doesn't say an awful about "why" god created us and i wouldn't like to hazard a guess over the workings of a mind, that if it does exist, is far more complex than us and most likely incomprehensibly. However, the bible does say that we have a purpose in gods plan, called our "ministry of reconciliation"
@47saeed And it won't be a for eterity, as the bible says all the dammed souls will be cast into the "lake of fire" with the devil and the false prophet where they will be annihilated. So i don't think hell is a place where demons prod you sticks. Rather a place where gods love is not present. I don't think all none Christians will go to hell, but there are people who deserve to be punished e.g emperor Nero, Hitler etc.
@47saeed BTW when i say "he created us" i do believe in evolution, but i think god had something to do with, what archaeologists refer to as the "Creative explosion" (Around 40,000 years ago, homo sapiens started to make things for the sake of beauty, not utility)
@47saeed I can't remember the exact passage, (i will try and find it) but the bible implies "If you cannot recognize god in Jesus, then god will choose not to recognize you" This is why i think Christians will be united with god. If you think about how complex this universe is, who knows how complex the afterlife could be.
@47saeed If someone tells you, you will go to hell for committing a crime, then you should not commit the crime, there is no good reason to commit a crime, I can't see anything unfair with the notion of hell. Like i said before, i don't think good atheists will be punished, (although i doubt they will go to heaven) I think we who live in the western world are lucky that our laws, morals etc. are founded on Christian ideology. Mine and your morals are based on how we have been brought up.
All religions say god created the world, Zoroastrianism say at the beginning there was nothing but fire and all things emerged from this primeval fire (Much more like Big Bang). I have asked this question from people of many different religions, no one has come up with a single answer which has not been ridicules. Why did god create the universe? I would have thought this would be the central point of any religion.
The basic problem is that the people who attack evolution have not actually studied it. If they did, they would see that there's nothing TO attack. It isn't a Satanic Conspiracy, it's simply the description of a process, providing a very useful taxonomy and a way to understand relationships. I see no way around this problem of ignorance. And it will become far worse if we allow these untutored people to drag our science education back into the bronze age.
@Imaginefree69 Yet you reply in a generalization? I think that's a lot more sad. Just because you are quite well informed of the words of the Bible, does not mean that everyone who believes in evolution is also.
" I also swear to God I was looking at books on amazon and saw that post as one of the reviews." Swear to whomever you like, I did wrte an Amazon review but that wasn't it. Perhaps someone else copied my comment. I've seen my comments copied in a number of places. Yes, that comment is saved. So what? People post videos with identical assertions, why should I invent a slightly different response for each one? Lots of the videos I respond to are identical. That's okay because they're christian?
That man is a stain upon the reputation of all erudite institutions.
mrmendicantbias 8 months ago
World as described in Genesis ain't the same we live on now.
If Genesis is true, Bible must be missing some pages about how God moved his creation from original flat world to planet Earth.
Maybe, during global flood, God realized that repopulating old world from just two of each kind would require too much magical intervention.
Then God just decided to move Noah's ark from God's dimension to this universe.
He put it on planet where biosphere could support those species preserved on ark.
futureorreligion 10 months ago
@futureorreligion WTF are you talking about???
It was a well known fact the the earth was a sphere and not flat when the Bible was written.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Earth is flat.
karozans 8 months ago
@karozans
"Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Earth is flat."
Yes it does!
Type this in google "bible passages about flat earth"...
futureorreligion 8 months ago
@futureorreligion No it doesn't, you dope.
Only the atheist indoctrinated Christian hating sheep think that is the case.
karozans 8 months ago
@karozans
Pick up your bible and read it yourself.
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
futureorreligion 8 months ago
@futureorreligion
Oh Gee. There it is in 100% plain language. You just totally blew the Bible out of the water with those 2 versus right there.
You are a dumbass, a moron, and idiot, and above all you are a fool.
karozans 8 months ago
@karozans
Have a nice day to you too.
futureorreligion 8 months ago
@futureorreligion It might come as a suprise to you, but a lot of Christians don't think the bible just dropped from the Heavens. There for a lot of believe that indeed men wrote the bible and used words and stories best suited in depicting what God wants us to know. Have you ever watched a sun set? I assume so, but you must know the sun never sets. Yet you probably refered to it as such. Why? Whether they thought the Earth was flat or not had nothing to do with what was being said in the verse.
yeadude657 7 months ago
@yeadude657
Yes.
Those stories tell us a lot of thinks. Many of those claims can be tested and many cant.
As time goes by, humans discover that more and more of the stories believed to be a literal truth by previous generations are factually wrong, so they become symbolic. Flat earth is just one of many... genesis creation - doesnt fit with the factually verified origins of Earth and life, global flood - didnt happen, tower of babel - wrong explanation for diversity of languages...
futureorreligion 7 months ago
@futureorreligion
I would like to know how can you feel confident that unverifiable bible's passages about what God/Jesus spoke and wants you to do are true when you do know that the same book describes many verifiable things (including many deeds supposedly done by God) which turned out to be wrong?
futureorreligion 7 months ago
@futureorreligion The Bible isn't an explanation of the world, but an explanation of God and the relationship we should have with him. It doesn't matter or not if they are 100% literally true. Only one story does, and thats the resurrection. We choose to take them as literal. Also there are no factual origins of Earth. Only that its 4+ billion years old, and that there was a big bang. Also science has a big problem explaining morality outside of basic tribal instincts.
yeadude657 7 months ago
futureorreligion 7 months ago
john tell us about noah and the ark
FUwogs 1 year ago
@ChristMetalFreak God is supposed to be perfect, fully actualized with no further potential (Room for improvement), your god seems to be needy and a show off, far from perfect. Why would a perfect being devise a universe where he would have to send some of his creation to H E LL.
47saeed 1 year ago
@47saeed Why do people keep pets? I would say people keep pets mostly for companionship and mutual affection. The bible states that our spirits were created in the image of god, therefore one could argue, god has similar traits.
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 As humans we NEED companionship. God of the Abrahamic religions and many other religions is supposed to have no needs. From that aspect if such a god exists he is different from us humans. Our need for companionship would be the reason for some of us getting pets, since god has no needs, a need cannot be the reason behind his decision to create us.
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed "As humans we NEED companionship" Yes, but people don't get pets because they NEED companionship. They get them because they WANT companionship. God doesn't need us. Christians believes he wants us. If we were made in gods spiritual image, it would explain where our compassion for others comes from, evolutionary psychology can explain why we feel the need to live cooperatively, but it cannot explain why we feel the need to help the unable and weak.
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 Why does god want us?
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed I couldn't say exactly why, but maybe something along the lines of, because God’s nature is Love, he wanted to share what was good with something “in his image,” so he created us. And because his love was perfect (and not forced/imposed, which would be imperfect), he gave us free will. (The choice to determine what we would do, on our own.) he WANTS us to be with him and like i said, free will is the only way for true love, its our choice. This is what Christians believe anyway
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 If I use my free will and free mind and come to the conclusion that there is no God, will he send me to hell? So God loved us before he created us. What does Jesus’ teaching or bible say on why god created us?
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed "will he send me to hell" I think that depends on how you live your life. Personally i believe hell is for reserved for people who commit evil acts and have only regard for themselves. When Jesus said
"He who believes in me will live, even though he dies" I think he meant believe in my way of life; to live with his morals. i do however believe that through Christianity people can be united with god, maybe atheists will just cease to exist after death if they have lived good lives.
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 I know many Christians who do not believe in Hell. I personally have a problem with any religion which has a concept of hell. I do not believe in god heaven or hell so hell is not a concern for me, I do however find it difficult to see how very nice people can believe anyone deserves eternal torment no matter what their crime.
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed Im pretty sure Hell exists, Jesus mentioned it a fair bit and it is also talked about elsewhere in the bible. If there was no hell then there would be no divine justice unless of course ceasing to exist was classed as a punishment. Jesus said "they shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" if you drop all the medieval imagery attached to hell, i think hell is just a place devoid of gods love.
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 You say Jesus mentions hell quite a bit. I would like to know what he said about hell and if you could point me to where in the bible hell is mentioned by Jesus or anyone else.
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed
Revelation 20:9-15,
2 Thessalonians 1:9,
Luke 16:19-26,
Mark 9:44,
Matthew 10:28,
Matthew 5:22 ,
Daniel 12:2 These are the only ones i can think of rite now, there might be a couple more.
sned10000 10 months ago
@sned10000 Thanks
47saeed 10 months ago
@47saeed No worrys m8.
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed The way we were treated and taught as children, has shaped the way we see morals. (remember, what you think are true morals, may not be true for the people across the world.) Thankfully, we westerners are brought up in Christian based societys, so it could well be that any atheist whos morals reflect that of what Jesus taught then yes, perhaps they could go to heaven. I really don't know, though i do strongly believe that evil people will suffer for the suffering they have inflicted
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed The bible doesn't say an awful about "why" god created us and i wouldn't like to hazard a guess over the workings of a mind, that if it does exist, is far more complex than us and most likely incomprehensibly. However, the bible does say that we have a purpose in gods plan, called our "ministry of reconciliation"
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed And it won't be a for eterity, as the bible says all the dammed souls will be cast into the "lake of fire" with the devil and the false prophet where they will be annihilated. So i don't think hell is a place where demons prod you sticks. Rather a place where gods love is not present. I don't think all none Christians will go to hell, but there are people who deserve to be punished e.g emperor Nero, Hitler etc.
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed BTW when i say "he created us" i do believe in evolution, but i think god had something to do with, what archaeologists refer to as the "Creative explosion" (Around 40,000 years ago, homo sapiens started to make things for the sake of beauty, not utility)
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed I can't remember the exact passage, (i will try and find it) but the bible implies "If you cannot recognize god in Jesus, then god will choose not to recognize you" This is why i think Christians will be united with god. If you think about how complex this universe is, who knows how complex the afterlife could be.
sned10000 10 months ago
@47saeed If someone tells you, you will go to hell for committing a crime, then you should not commit the crime, there is no good reason to commit a crime, I can't see anything unfair with the notion of hell. Like i said before, i don't think good atheists will be punished, (although i doubt they will go to heaven) I think we who live in the western world are lucky that our laws, morals etc. are founded on Christian ideology. Mine and your morals are based on how we have been brought up.
sned10000 10 months ago
@ChristMetalFreak So he did all this because he could. Well this teenage god of yours sounds really annoying.
47saeed 1 year ago
All religions say god created the world, Zoroastrianism say at the beginning there was nothing but fire and all things emerged from this primeval fire (Much more like Big Bang). I have asked this question from people of many different religions, no one has come up with a single answer which has not been ridicules. Why did god create the universe? I would have thought this would be the central point of any religion.
47saeed 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 You could say the same about people who attack the Bible. -_-
thekyu 1 year ago
@thekyu
You could, but it would not be true.
I am VERY familiar with the Bible.
But is that your only comment?
You actually spent the time and energy simply to leave a snide generalization?
How sad is that?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Yet you reply in a generalization? I think that's a lot more sad. Just because you are quite well informed of the words of the Bible, does not mean that everyone who believes in evolution is also.
thekyu 1 year ago
@thekyu @thekyu
No, I replied to a generalization with a specific protest against generalizations.
"Just because you are quite well informed of the words of the Bible, does not mean that everyone who believes in evolution is also."
Of course not.
Nor would I ever make such a claim.
But neither are "believers" familiar with their book of myth.
What's your point?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
The Bible never said to use foul communication like that.
DeathRattleShakes 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"Do you copy and paste that to every christian video you visit?"
No, but when I do the response is usually the same as yours-
talk about ME, but avoid the issues at any cost.
My assertions are true
and I am prepared to support each of them
with passages from your "inerrant" bible.
And, you know, my comment is directly relevant to this video,
so there's nothing for you to complain of.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
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OMG, I thought this was comedy!
Too bad the Bible said the earth was flat.
And that the sun revolved around the earth.
And that humans are made of dirt.
And that every species on earth fit into a 450 foot boat.
And that snakes, donkeys, and bushes talk.
And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.
Other than a few minor details like that,
it's a really scientific book!
Hahahaha!!!!!
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
"The scientific approach helps you take scripture seriously..."
Like 7 day creation, and 4000 year old dinosaurs. Yeah, real serious.
Mathenaut 3 years ago
I like Dr Lennox's songwriting..."Imagine there's no Atheists... "
biggbaddjohn 3 years ago