looks to me that the insulation broke down on the main contact to the plate there, the O from the water provided the environment for flame perhaps. the insulation layer on that wires looks degraded somehow. If theO level came up enough to allow combustion then maybe the heat, electrolyte and any metalic coverings have broken down and sublimated into the water hence gritty and balck (oxidised) either way, looks like you got an O spike in the cell.
i did a similar experiment and i discovered the rubber hose insulator, i was using actually conducted (with great resistance) electricity. (i think it is the fillers they use in rubber manufacturing, that are the problem.
Here is a theory, if there was no electric short, or something.
The cell produces H2 gas in bubbles on the inner plate, the electricity between the mesh and the plate, separate H2, into H + H, or monoatomic hydrogen.
The single Hydrogen bubbles recombine under water, forming back into H2 with the bubble collapsing to half its volume, creating great localized heat, but no actual flame or spark, at the surface.
my thoughts are this. The water mixed with hho turned the water into a slow burning fuel. What I am thinking is this water injected through a mister into the intake along with hho would make the system burn at a slower rate. Similar to KANZAS machine where ultra sonics turned salt water into a burnable solution
Don't over think this dude you simply had an arc that was igniting the bubbles that encountered the arc. Basic troubleshooting check your connections looking at what I can see of the cell the spade clip might be getting a bit close to the outer screen. I'm sure you had the cell secured in the center so it didn't fall over on top of your terminal. Also galvanized metal is zinc plated if the screens have been used a bit you might be breaking down the plating releasing it into your electrolyte.
The interesting part here (to me) is that if ( a big if) the flame was from "Hydrogen" than the system should have gone up in one "big bang"... but it didn't.. ( I am still here). ... instead ... a under water flame...
The fire happened below the water line the bubbles were the fuel/oxygen they consumed themselves and went out rather than spreading no nitrogen present to expand to allow the bubbles to expand or spread to the other bubbles. Basically you had a bunch of small fires rather than having "a fire". Had it happened above the water line you would of had a big boom.
John, This is not rocket science. You simply can't use those materials in ANY HHO device without this happening. Those gaskets are eroding making black water. You know better than this.
The problem here is a "flame".. and as of yet I can not find out where or why.. or how.
Rocket is not the problem here... and if the "inference" here is that I am getting stupid.. I do not believe that is the case..(could be... but I think not).
You may be splitting the water molecule more than you were expecting to.
"The high temperatures obtained by hydrogen welding was not due to normal combustion but by taking H2 gas and converting it to H1. an electrical spark in a current of pure H2 converts it to H1 gas which is then reconverted into H2 as it leaves the welding nozzle."
looks to me that the insulation broke down on the main contact to the plate there, the O from the water provided the environment for flame perhaps. the insulation layer on that wires looks degraded somehow. If theO level came up enough to allow combustion then maybe the heat, electrolyte and any metalic coverings have broken down and sublimated into the water hence gritty and balck (oxidised) either way, looks like you got an O spike in the cell.
tasilbhurn 5 days ago
You might have unwittingly started a controlled fusion reaction - some sort of cavitation reaction.
AristotleScience 3 months ago
Check for conductivity in your insulator.
i did a similar experiment and i discovered the rubber hose insulator, i was using actually conducted (with great resistance) electricity. (i think it is the fillers they use in rubber manufacturing, that are the problem.
rongrite 8 months ago
cold fusion ? lol
wingnut4427 9 months ago
Here is a theory, if there was no electric short, or something.
The cell produces H2 gas in bubbles on the inner plate, the electricity between the mesh and the plate, separate H2, into H + H, or monoatomic hydrogen.
The single Hydrogen bubbles recombine under water, forming back into H2 with the bubble collapsing to half its volume, creating great localized heat, but no actual flame or spark, at the surface.
But i wonder what the black stuff is?
rongrite 9 months ago
my thoughts are this. The water mixed with hho turned the water into a slow burning fuel. What I am thinking is this water injected through a mister into the intake along with hho would make the system burn at a slower rate. Similar to KANZAS machine where ultra sonics turned salt water into a burnable solution
wendlo1 9 months ago
Don't over think this dude you simply had an arc that was igniting the bubbles that encountered the arc. Basic troubleshooting check your connections looking at what I can see of the cell the spade clip might be getting a bit close to the outer screen. I'm sure you had the cell secured in the center so it didn't fall over on top of your terminal. Also galvanized metal is zinc plated if the screens have been used a bit you might be breaking down the plating releasing it into your electrolyte.
sonorace 9 months ago
The interesting part here (to me) is that if ( a big if) the flame was from "Hydrogen" than the system should have gone up in one "big bang"... but it didn't.. ( I am still here). ... instead ... a under water flame...
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
The fire happened below the water line the bubbles were the fuel/oxygen they consumed themselves and went out rather than spreading no nitrogen present to expand to allow the bubbles to expand or spread to the other bubbles. Basically you had a bunch of small fires rather than having "a fire". Had it happened above the water line you would of had a big boom.
sonorace 9 months ago
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sonorace 9 months ago
hmmm its hard to tell what ingited the hydrogen since I couldnt see through the sparks from your wires.
That black water is h2o with an extra quark, hence the blackness.
flahr1 9 months ago
The "blackness" is from the ash (not part of the reaction of the plates).. I believe we have to take that out of the question...
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
John, This is not rocket science. You simply can't use those materials in ANY HHO device without this happening. Those gaskets are eroding making black water. You know better than this.
Larry
HHOPWR 9 months ago
There is a misunderstanding here...(your).
The problem here is a "flame".. and as of yet I can not find out where or why.. or how.
Rocket is not the problem here... and if the "inference" here is that I am getting stupid.. I do not believe that is the case..(could be... but I think not).
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
wow, the same thing happened to me with my cell, it was because my plates were touching, and so, it was an electric arc
but maaaan oh man, look like yr cell was to hot or something, and it caused something to warp and arc, don't know but, thats crazy lookin
Video85Man 9 months ago
Yep, you better change your design, because that Aaron cell is *cursed*. First, the stopper blows, then there's a fire. It's haunted!
noferblatz 9 months ago
Change the "design"... Things are just getting "interesting"
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
Well all I can think of to say John, is "Holy Crap"!
jvthundercat 9 months ago
Interesting..
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
Ever heard of mono-atomic Hydrogen?
Alone without oxygen, H+H=H2+~5000C
You may be splitting the water molecule more than you were expecting to.
"The high temperatures obtained by hydrogen welding was not due to normal combustion but by taking H2 gas and converting it to H1. an electrical spark in a current of pure H2 converts it to H1 gas which is then reconverted into H2 as it leaves the welding nozzle."
(remove spaces)
educate-yourself. org/lte/joecellhydrogengas12sep04. shtml
rongrite 9 months ago
All of this was under the water line...
I still have not found the site of the flame...
John AArons
johnaarons 9 months ago
@johnaarons
Remember this story from '95?
They were using sound waves, but perhaps the Aaron cell is doing something similar?
"The star in a jar effortlessly reaches temperatures of tens of thousands of degrees, which is hotter than the surface of the Sun."
news. bbc. co. uk/2/hi/science/nature/4270297. stm
rongrite 9 months ago