Re: Whom was Jesus sacrificed to? Trinity Part 2

[Domna7]

@achzdck response : NO, The Dajjal, which perhaps is the anti-Christ that is described to Christians, is the biggest trial in the history of humanity from Adam to the end, he is still alive, imprisoned by God in an unknown Isle (perhaps near the red sea, there is a story about that...), and he will be set free to devastate the world with his perversion for 40 days : a day like a year, a day like a month, a day like a week, then the rest of the days normal. I will continue later when I come back.

[Domna7]

@achzdck " Trinity means 3 together " ---> Even Paul didnt said that nor Jesus, it is a marginal note putted later by a scribe. Verify it.

If he were the father in flesh ,how could he forgive sin ? ---> God doesn't need to become flesh, to lower himself to his creation for forgiving sins, less he need to forgive his son, that is if he were to have one....

" HE said if you see me you " ---> Who is He ? like I said if you verify it isn't Jesus nor Paul.

Think carefully outside of the box...

[Domna7]

@achzdck in the name of the father, etc...is a marginal note put by a scribe putted later in the manuscripts. Did you see the video I sent to you ? you should see it, I'm sure it will interest you. as for the Jews I will respond, after I come back, for the moment I will sent you a 2 videos that resume well the reality of this matter.

Salam to you

[Domna7]

@achzdck For Ezekiel if you look into the CONTEXTUAL explanation of the verses, you will see that it includes Jesus too. And btw, I can give you a lot of example of this contradiction between Jesus teachings and Paul's in the other Hand, they are totally contradicting, look at the origin of the trinity, who establish that ? where is the word mentioned by name, because it is important for Christians nowadays we expect Jesus to mention it at least once...notice that the sentence : in the name of

[Domna7]

@achzdck the message was altered by some evil hands for personal purposes (Romans, Jews etc...)...That's why God sent to all humanity and till the end of time, his last message--> Quran, read it with proper CONTEXTUAL explanation and you will resolve the puzzle, most of you Christians are indeed very near from the truth, you just have to be sincere and courageous enough to go and see outside your box that is Christianity, with an objective and rational view. see the video i sent to you.

PEACE

[Domna7]

@achzdck if you search in the ancient testament there is nowhere where Jesus himself speak about sacrificing himself for the sins of others, on the contrary like i quoted to you :

Ezekiel 18:20 " the son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son "

[Domna7]

@achzdck the problem is that all you are saying is what the Christians understood from the copy of the copy of the copy of the copy of the original manuscript....and this a quote from a well known Christian scholar, and most of this Christians scholars don't believe that the salvation were told by Jesus in the original manuscript...

[Domna7]

@achzdck But then Paul opposed that idea, and introduced a NEW concept, it suffice to go to a priest, a human ,that maybe had sinned more than you and I, and your sins will be pardoned...And like I said your priests that had studied in deep the Christianity, know that and there is a lot of contradictions of this type in the new testament...look in my account the video of the Dr Jerald Dirks, an ancient minister who holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University.

[Domna7]

@achzdck can you put the source please ? as for me it is Quran, the last message of God, if you want me to show you, it is with pleasure. Secondly, i repeat that, and you can verify it by yourself, Jesus never spoke about him sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind, it is Paul, 300 years ago approximately that INTRODUCED this and the concept of the trinity. in fact in Ezekiel 18:20 " the son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son "

[Domna7]

@achzdck PS : don't say Arab but Muslim because Islam isn't entitled to a nation, not every Arab is a Muslim, the biggest Muslim country (Indonesia), isn't Arab...

[Domna7]

@achzdck God to save doesn't need to become flesh and doesn't need to sacrifice his son. Ibrahim peace be upon him was ordered by God to sacrifice his son Ismael, because God was putting their faith to test, when he wanted to do that, God stopped him and grant him a substitute for the sacrifice, a sheep, and here the sacrifice isn't for saving humanity etc...it is an act of adoration for God.

Jesus, peace be upon him, never spoke about the redemption believe. it was Paul that did...

[BonjourNuit]

God came into humanform to teach us how he is with all people on earth.That is the Trinity in Matthew 28-18.

[mrfiji84]

rex20171.. sacrifice is different from suicide you idiot

[Kp223]

This is a great video, i pray for all those have not understood what this priest has quite simply said.

[rover98]

i wish ahmed deedat were alive for u!! today people like u wouldn't be in tvs anymore u psyco chritians!

[mrfiji84]

rover98.. father zechariya did challenege ahmed deedat to a debate while he was alive but deedat always refused to challenge anyone who knew about islam.. every opponent ive seen deedat debate hardly knew anything about the quran and the hadith

[Domna7]

@mrfiji84 " father zechariya did Challenege Ahmed Deedat to a debate while he was alive " ok SUPPOSE it's true, and we know its not the cause Deedat, had debated with more knowledgeable people about Christianity than this, and it was easy cause he was telling the truth with solid proofs. Now why (see the video i posted here " lets know the bible") Boutros didn't and still dont want ti challenge the scholars of nowadays? not even once !

[Domna7]

@mrfiji84 finally what astonish is that even the first and more knowledgeable Christians don't believe that the Bible of nowadays is the word of God. You don't believe, i will let the Dr. Jerald Dirks who holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University...Boutros ? who ?

[yawalad]

Job 25:4-6 (New King James Version)

4 How then can man be righteous before God?

Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?

5 If even the moon does not shine,

And the stars are not pure in His sight, 6 How much less man, who is a maggot,

And a son of man, who is a worm?"

Can u imagine God calling himself impure and a maggot!?! U are a blasphemer if u do.

[anthonyjuks]

but the thing is God is not merely a man.. u know very well that man in this context refers to a son of adam.. but Jesus is called the second adam, a pure man yet without sin.. Jesus is not genetically a son of adam

[anthonyjuks]

Genesis 25:12-18-Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. THESE WERE THE SONS OF ISHMAEL, AND THESE ARE THE NAMES OF THE TWELVE TRIBAL RULERS ACCORDING TO THEIR SETTLEMENTS AND CAMPS. Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur.

[yawalad]

JESUSISPROPHETAMEN why do u ignore the fact that God promised Ishmael in the Bible that he would become a "great nation"? Why do u ignore, or maybe didnt know, that Mohammed was offered to become King of the Arabs and given all the money he wanted under the condiiton that he gives up calling ppl to Islam and he refused? Why the double standard?

[anthonyjuks]

"Gen 17:20-21 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly;twelve, princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. BUT MY COVENANT WILL I ESTABLISH WITH ISAAC, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

[JESUSISLORDAMEN]

Ignore this buffoon Rex. He is too scared to debate me when challenged. This is the problem muslims block and delete comments from their own page. Mohammed has nothing to do with the Lord God of Israel Jehovah. He is an arab who was uneducated and he wanted political power. I rest my cast, Blind faith is what they have!! May the truth set them free Amen

[takizzle06]

You worship no one at all. Either you worship the true God, so you worship in vain

[takizzle06]

So Allah must not be onmipotenet because he doesn't have the ability to have a Triune Godhead, therefore he is not God at all and Jesus is God because He has the power to do so. Thanks for proving Allah is inferior to Jesus.

[vinceinohio]

Jesus was not sacrificed to anyone. He was fulfilling the scriptures. (The son of man will be killed by man or something along those lines) Unlike others Jesus never forsook his God nor did he convert to avoid execution. Ex. Shabbetai Tzvi converted to muslim to avoid beheading. Of all the persons to claim to be messiah Jesus was the only one to give his life

[takizzle06]

God is One, we know. The Trinity means God is One. Muslims are really slow

[OneMJDN]

This video proved there is no such thing as Trinity. Jesus said your God is One! Not 1 in 3 or 3 of 1 but One! So its can'r be Jesus as he is constantly refering to God (father in Heaven).

[GLOB100]

Beloved Priest & disguised Missionary healthy lady under the made-up name of Nehd:

U r quoting references from many editions of bibles & almost all editions conflict & contradict each other. I m sure u know abt this fact. Many world's top class Christian professors & scholars accept that bibles are not the reliable books. An original book of God cannot have hundreds of errors. So to give a reference from unreliable books is unacceptable. This makes all your argument totally illogical and dead

[GLOB100]

Beloved Priest and disguised Missionary lady under the made-up name of Nehd:

U have tried to wrap ur trinity believe (which is shirk in Islam) in different wrappers. If u wrap it in "kit kat", or in "O Henry wrapper", it will not change. Therefore you have not said some thing different than ur old believes which are based on SHIRK

[GLOB100]

I appreciate your way of speech that indicates u r a good man. But I have met many many many Christians and they say that Eisa S/O Mary (PBUH) is himself a God. In Islam, to say some one God or associate some one with GOD is WORST kind of blasphemy and Noble Koran say it "SHIRK". Allah (God) may forgive any sin but WILL NEVER forgive "SHIRK". This is the MAIN MAJOR reason why a Muslim like to not listen u guys at all. As there is no any logic to listen a person who's religion is based on SHIRK