Seeing the true form of a deity (Krishna in this case) must be something that is beautiful and terrifying for a mortal like Arjun(a). He truly must have been special for Krishna to show Arjun his true form. I'm not a Hindu but this scene, in visual and written form, is just mind-blowing.
@0NobodyNonameetc Virat means supreme, swaroop can be interpreted as "form" Thus, virat swaroop means supreme form. Another name for virat swaroop is vishwaroop. Vishwa can be interpreted as universe, roop means form, thus vishwaroop means universal form
Lord Vishnu is the plenary expansion of krishna. Thus, Lord Vishnu is above the influence of the material energy. Vishnu’s opulences are almost equal to Lord Krishna’s. Yet Krishna is the original person. 1 candle lights the flame of another. The second burns separately but its illumination is equal to the original candle. In the same way, Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality, expands Himself into the different forms of Vishnu, who are equally bright and powerful.
this is just awesome episode of shri krishna.have no words how to explain my feeling toward this video..tks to shri 'ramanand sagar'who really made such a nice serial.
Ramanand Sagar needs to learn some production/direction skills. Thanks for uploading this, but it looks very stupid compared to the Mahabharat series on DD. Looks at Arjun's overacting here...and the set inside a studio, looks very unreal. Looks like a stupid stage drama
hinduism only believes in one god theres just some confussion read the vedas upanishads brahman that is allah waheguru almighty god created 3 angels lord brahma lord vishnu and lord shiva who probaly by know became the same as god they probaly by know became one with god guru nanak describes they all chant the name of god lord shiva medeates on brahman so does vishnu and bhrahma that brahman allah is indescrible has no gender shape relgion colour can be obtained see god in
actually some indinas do elieve in a GOD... like with a form and thats lord krishna.. he is hte original god, or allah ... like from him comes the other incarnations, etc.... krishna is hte reservoir ofpleasure
god is one alone hinduism belives only in one god read the vedas upanishads it takes about that one god brahman who made three angels lord brahma lord vishnu and lord shiva they all chant the name of brahman brahman is allah vaihguru ram is also means god but there was also prophet ram avtar probably by know obtained allah brahman but god is also called ram it means gods everywere theres only one god alone who never comes in human form no gender no colour no shape
@mosiefool You are right , but what you are saying relates to the Advaita philosophy as preached by Adi Shankara , but the same Adi Shankara started the upasana of Panchdev ( Shiva ,Ganesh ,Shakti , Vishnu and Surya) and he told all his disciples that all these forms belong to the same God . Swami Vivekananda believed in God as Brahman and also as the mother Kali , just like his Guru Sri Ramakrishna . Sir please try to understand hinduism properly by studying its saints ,before commenting.
Oh brahman, bring wisdom to those who follow the way. Give wisdom to those who desire greatness for the good-hearted. Provide them the ability to enlighten others.
Jai Shri krishna ! The universe is endless, the time is endless. Humans the highest form of life on earth, intelligent but not enough to know the Supreme power and hence the divisions, war and crimes. Lord Krishna's message in "GEETA" is for every human being to live "SCIENTIFICALLY" and "SPRITUALLY" No war, no crimes, no haters.JUST LOVE & PEACE. Love thyself, love thy neighbours, worship the forests, the trees, the rivers, the mountains, animals,birds. God has given more then enough to us.
Jab parmatama kripa karte hain to aage ka rasta bhi apne aap dikha dete hain. Isliye Internet bhagwan ka virat swaroop hai unse poochhoge to sab marg sugam ho jayenge. Jai sri krishna!
Those christian people that are saying that Hindus worship many gods... Cant you realize the essence of this video ? The Supreme Lord illustrates a mortal how everything in the universe is just one divine being, that being is none other than the Almighty Lord. Read the Bhagavat Gita and know something before you comment on hinduism.
newchild88, stop making silly comments!! we have been here thousands of years before u guys even existed!! we respect jesus and so pls dont mock us, learn yr religion well before u comment, i know the bible better than u so pls do check with me as i am a hindu and will answer all yr silly comments
I was feeling so happy when i was watching this video but i made a mistake to read some of yours comments.shame that we don't give up fighting there too when it comes to god and his existence.Please don't fight.we all are going to die one day.nothing is going to come with us but goodness.
jesus we believe is part of hinduism, jesus allah and vishnu all are one god, the spritiual godhead of the universe, the forms he came in were in jesus, allah, vishnu were all his creations only to show goodness and to guide good people away from the arrogance of the devil ( satan, rasksha)
listen u ugly santamornious bitch..no offences to the bible. but know one thing that here in india the fathers of jesus are present. and even when jesus was not born his father was still here. and get ur knowledge updated jesus read the BHAGAVAD GITA here and got the knowledge of his father and then he wrote bible..
I have a question, even though your ignorance proceeds you, how do you know that Jesus Christ is not another form of the one true lord? Furthermore, FYI hindus may have 330,000,000 demigods but we ALL know that there is ONLY ONE true god, but he exists in his many personalities. OM SHANTI
Haribol100 You Confused fool see Princegoutham Videos and Learn about lord Shiva that's why he is the Guru of all Saiva people in YouTube and in Saiva Community Dare to ask and challenge Him you Old Confused Fools No one listens to your foolish words not even your wife and children I will Kill you Bastard Give me your Address
We shall not fight my dear friends, whether we accpet Kisna/Visnu or Brahman as supreme, tha re one and the same. It is easier however to devote and to love and have affection for Krsna due to his Lilas and his form. With this we can develp attachment and dedication where as Brahman has no form and difficult to love and devote to the one which has No Form.
if one worships Krsna alone , he shall be able to attain God just like you said. so Iskon is not wrong.Iskon was created my friend for the western culture to let them know about that form of God which will attract so many. And what best form is there apart from Krsna to do this Job. Krsna is non different from Visnu and here is shows clearly, Visnu is standing right in the front to show his Supremacy and the "Oneness of every living being, his immediate expansions being Lord Shiva and Brahma.
In the Vedas, there is 3 manisfestatons of the Supreme Truth namely Brahman, Paratmatma and Visnu. all 3 are non different from each other. Brahman are the effulgent rays of Vishnu and it is said there is no difference between the Lord and his energy. Soem worship Brahman and merge aftre death to become with brahman (Individual self) and some worship visnu and begets a spiritual body and got to Vaikunth planets.
In the Vedas, there is 3 manisfestatons of the Supreme Truth namely Brahman, Paratmatma and Visnu. all 3 are non different from each other. Brahman are the effulgent rays of Vishnu and it is said there is no difference between the Lord and his energy. Soem worship Brahman and merge aftre death to become with brahman (Individual self) and some worship visnu and begets a spiritual body and got to Vaikunth planets.
im not an iskon follower but in the Brahma Samhita Lord Brahma prays to Vishnu as Govinda in his two armed form as "Govinda Adi Purusham" meaning govinda the supreme one. So Govinda who is also Krisna cannot be any different from Visnu. Krsna nd Vishnu is one and same, even accoeding to Iskon, if u read their version of Bhagvad Gita.
Haribol100 you are a foolish Vaishnava and vendanta follower will still write 100 stories of 100 avatars and confuse themselves and other fools who go after them they don't know that their all Rama Krishna indra chandra countless gods in the name of avatars and demons worshipped the only true god who did not discriminate between gods and demons He is lord Shiva
Lord Shiva is indeed the Lord but insulting Lord Vishnu devotees is an isult to both Visnu and Shiva. Lord shiva is most dearest to Visnu and Visnu is most dearest to Shiva. Please read the vedas
we must talk or else hindus divided will allow more attacks from crazy people. any last replies from me 2 u or u 2 me were deleted by poster of alan watts hindu vid.if u r unable to answer/accept evidence ive yet 2 show that elaborates personifications of Brahman God and how krsna devotees dharmic, ive still some question in NON iskcon, impersonal philosphy of hinduism. i wont get any replies till u unblock me and 2 avoid youtube comment problems plz come to my group or choose another
we must talk or else hindus divided will allow more attacks from crazy people. any last replies from me 2 u or u 2 me were deleted by poster of alan watts hindu vid.if u r unable to answer/accept evidence ive yet 2 show that elaborates personifications of Brahman God and how krsna devotees dharmic, ive still some question in NON iskcon, impersonal philosphy of hinduism. i wont get any replies till u unblock me and 2 avoid youtube comment problems plz come to my group or choose another
"Knowing Him, who is the author of the Vedas, who is hidden in the Vedas andUpanisads, and whom the demigod Brahmä also knows, the great demigods andsages became immortal." -S.Upanisad 5.6 Sri Krsna confirms that He is the author of the Vedas in Bhagavad-gita 15.15" It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahmä in Vedic knowledge andwho disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past." (Atharva Veda, Gopäla-täpaniUpanisad 1.24)
no 1 listen to dharmrakshas he'll only make PERSONAL attacks withOUT Proof. in the end he sent some website as proof against krsna devotees lol but before i got the answer to conront that or show my proof, he ran and blocked me! Krsna not in Vedas? ive proof he doesnt...
Is Brahman God, or is this form he is presented in represent all the meanings of what God is. Cause I saw there was Brahman sitting as God was manifesting himself.
th3b; Brahman is a word for the eternal infinite relity that can't be personified. however, Brahman is personified in the endless amount of things both material and spiritual from germs to Gods. material changes and ends hence is never real spiritual is eternal and real. Vishnu/Krsna/Rama (1000+names) is where Brahma the creator/Shiva the destroyer come from. he is supreme controller/eternal/sits within every atom and person. email haridham or me for more info haridham is knowledgeable.
Krisna(vishnu) is accepted in all the Vedic litteratures as the supreme God.Brahman is the rays of vishnu. But Krishna is the dearest form of god. Read Gita of prabhupad.
"9.24 (For) I alone am the enjoyer and also the Lord of all sacrifices; but they do not know Me in essence .. " Lol.. but all of iskCON and haridham think that they ONLY know and that Krishn is their private monopoly and is only in iskCON temples!!
And haridham has NO BALLS at all to debate me or you openly in public!!! I went on his channel and challenged him to an open debate in front of everybody!! He removed my posts and posed as polite and put his instead. And then sent me series of very abusive private messages while I was trying to show some still.
LOL!! Dharmarakshak!! These guys have mistranslated whole volumes after volumes!!! And they propound them as the ultimate truth and as hardcore "evidence" in everything!!
haridham is total bullshit man!!! He has perverted views and is a big control freak. Plus he needs therapy on anger management big time!! Look at all the dirty, vulgar and highly hateful mails he sent to haribol!! WOW!!! And this cheapstake calls himself a "Krishna bhakta"!!!! WOW!!! what a standard!! Jai Prabhupad!!! Jai Isk-CON LOL!!
HARIDHAM in your personal mail to me you stated - "Your indian society is full of villians. Iskcon philosophy doesnt state anywhere to do the things you mentioned. SO that must mean the people that come from your indian society are villians and currupt. Much like most of india."
How dare you , bastard ass-hole, how dare youb speak ill of India.
Chhenu - this is what HARIDHAM has sent to me as his comments - "STUPID, RETARDED, UNEDUCATED, UNCULTURED YOU ARE! YOU STUPID HOMOSEXUAL FOOLISH JACKASS. SHOW ME WHERE IT STATES THAT KRSNA IS THE 8th INCARNATION OF VISHNU? WHERE? SHOW ME? YOU STUPID IGNORANT RETARD. GO HAVE SEX WITH CHHENU!"
Haridham is a typical ISKCON Prabhu. Ane he also makes lots of Anti-India comments saying this country is full of goondas, rapists, molestors and kidnappers.
HARIDHAM - You have asked if Chhenu is my wife - this is heights of stupidity from you !! Do you think I am a homosexula you ignorant jacakass ?
Also - I never said LORD KRISHNA is not Supreme. What I am trying to say is LORD KRISHNA has come as 8th Avatara of LORD VISHNU so LORD KRISHNA is as Powerful as LORD VISHNU.
oh yes. This is right. Krishna is Vishnu avatara. This is original thing. But iskcon says vishnu is krishna's avatara. lol. Well..
And saying Chhenu as wife of haribol is just like saying prabhupad is Chhenu's girlfriend!!! Absolutely no sense at all!!! WOW!! LOL!!! haridham, dude you have some real perverted crazy fantasies!!
I have totaally lost respect for you. I was thinking you are one of a different kind but you are no different from the rest. Whatever I write you want proofs. When others guys like Chhenu and Dharmrakshak write the same, you say I have brought goons to help me.
In your mail, you have called me a liar and a cheat and even said I am not a LIFE MEMBER. You fool, do you want to know my LIFE MEMBERSHIP Number ?
Haridham - you have sent me a message stating - "Your indian society is full of villians. Iskcon philosophy doesnt state anywhere to do the things you mentioned. SO that must mean the people that come from your indian society are villians and currupt. Much like most of india." How dare you make such statement about INDIA you useless rougue.
Hi All - I have received a very nasty mail from Haridham on my Youtube Account. He has questioned every point I had stated. You know the joke ? At the end he says "ISKCON BLR is not even a real ISKCON." !! This is too much. Just because we started finding faults with the Prabhus, he says its not a genuine ISKCON.
You people misinterpret things and call it the only valid knowledge. If others correct it, you call them jealous, envious and ignorant. How childish and silly!!
And besides you are in Canada too. iskcon and canada brothers. So it gives you right to abuse others as ignorants? ur prabhupad did teh same. Heck he even abused the saints of India as he praised his own clan. Like acharya, like followers.
Fact of matter is that haridham can only debate people on his own channel. Cuz he can remove other's comments and put his instead and announce KO in his favor. How biased. lol. So don't worry he won't "waste" his time here. But he will on his channel.
CHENU, HARIDHAM HAS DEFEATED YOU MANY TIMES. I HAVE SEEN. YOU ARE IGNORANT and FULLY OF JEALOUSY AGAINST HARIDHAM AND ISKON. SO MANY PEOPLE CAN FIGHT YOU NO PROBLEM. EVEN A DOG. YOU ARE RUDE AND ARE DEFEATABLE EASY WITH HARIDHAM. HARIDHAM BLOCKED YOU BECUSE YOU DONT HAVE INTELLIGENCE!
thegift108, I know how haridham defeats people by removing their comments and putting his own in place of them. There is absolutely NOTHING that Isckon or haridham have that can make me feel jealous of them!! Even a dog can fight me? What sort of logic is that? Is that your bhakti coming out now or hatred and abusive feelings?
Anyone who don't call you with pseudo humbleness Prabhuji is considered rude and arrogant in your dictionary. Anyone who doesn't agree with your misinterpretation twists is considered an ignorant and fool in your terms. So nothing new or surprising you are calling me all that. iskCON parrots want that people should listen to them only and accept. But not say anything otherwise. You guys are control freaks! and need therapy in anger management and need to view the world unbiased.
" Prasadam can be sold as well as be free. Perhaps you should realize that the money that Iskcon gets from the prasadam is for a good cause." - Now this is deviation. Do the scriptures instruct to SELL food offered to God??? Another modification, deviation and change in original Vedic tradition n value. Prabhupad said - "change is rascal. The moment u change something original, u r a rascal!!". I don't need to say much on this further.
wow chhenu, you are not in knowledge when you discuss with hardam or about prasadam. You dont know anything about hindu culture. Haridam does. You learn from haridam. Iskon, hardam know so much you dont. silly little arguments. HARIDHAM, DONT WASTE TIME WITH THESE GUYS.
What did I say so that proves my ignorance about Hinduism?? I know several people that are eager to attack Hinduism. You seem one of them. Iskcon has nothing to do with Hinduism!! haridham is an IskCON parrot. He knows about Hinduism?? Bull crap!!! Don't jump in posting your silly advice to people. U seem another IskCON fanatic who sees all Vedic things as "ignorance" and 300 year old modifications as Vedic.
CHHENU, you are to stupid! GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GET A REAL LIFE! YOU ARE IGNORANT PAKISTANI! GO BAKC TO PAKISTAN STUPID! LEARN ABOUT REAL HINDUISM FROM HARDAM
I'm pakistani?? ROTFLMAO!!!! You must be on drugs!! See this is how you guys start speculating. Whether smth is true or not, u have to defend haridham cuz u r from the same cult. Haridham is IskCON not Hindu. So how come he is some sort of authority on Hinduism?? lol. U ppl contradict your own self.
HARIDHAM - what ever i am telling you are my "opinions" and not "views" - so you cant ask for proofs. If a person says he is experiencing cold, will you take it as it is or ask him to prove what he has stated as an "experience"?
wowharibol100 you truly an ignorant guy from india. You dont know anything. He defeted you in a debate and instead of accepting you are still arguing. low class. Janwar!
Haridham - you stated " I know many places in india where girls and boys are sold for prostitution, kidnapped, etc, so perhaps its something that happens in india" - well if it is done by villains then its not shocking but this happening in ISKCON ? Is it not shocking ?
Haridham - I have been trying to clear the mess at ISKCON BLR for many years. Initially i thought u are a broad minded guy willing to listen to my problems and play a supporting hand but u are as fanatic as the ISKCON Prabhus - not willing to listen but sticking to ur own views.
Haridham - you say you have visited ISKCON BLR many times when you come to BLR but what you don't realise is I am a resident of BLR and visit ISKCON very regularly. These qre facts which now even Chennu has stated.
Haridham - I am also a Vaishnavaite. However, I am very different from the ISKCON guys. I am not a fanatic. I also Pray and Respect LORD SHIVA. I do not consider LORD SHIVA to be a Demi-God or a "Servant" of LORD KRISHNA - The way the ISKCON guys put it.
I am a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON but that's because I contributed Rs 20,000 to AKSHAYA PATRA Scheme (Mid day Meal for poor children) and this contribution got me the LIFE MEMBERSHIP.
Haridham - you have stated somewhere that even LORD KRISHNA has stated that we should ask for proofs (you told this when I saaid you are acting like a lwayer). can you tell me which Verse of BHAGAVAD GITA LORD KRISHNA says this ?
Haridham - you want to read proofs ? 2nd evidence of how visitors feel - Go to Google and type "almost atheist to a complete non-believer" and read the 1st link that gets displayed under the same heading - its written by a person KARTHIK MITTA.
Also you stated that Iskcon banglore kidnapped and brainwashed children, where is the proof for that. Can you show me or are you a liar! I mean its funny, I know many places in india where girls and boys are sold for prostitution, kidnapped, etc, so perhaps its something that happens in india, quite sad. This ofcourse happens everywhere not india. You should google statictics india and see how bad things are in india regarding child abuse and child molestations.
Haridham - go to Google and type - "LADY THE TRAMP ISKCON Bangalore". Open the 1st Article that gets displayed, its the LADY THE TRAMP website. When you open this link, you will see a blog of many Articles. Search on the word "ISKCON" and read the article on ISKCON BLR.Hope its enough proof for you.
Also what about Iskcon Bangalore's midday meal program through the akshay patra foundation? They feel prasadam for thousands of hungry people, what about that? The program feeds 830,000 children a day. That ofcourse is rapidly growing. So if you look at the bad things why not the good things? Also what about iskcon food for life? It feeds 10 meals a second all over the world. What about that? Perhaps you should do a little bit more research before speaking.
I frankly think I am wasting my time, there is really no point. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing, no philosophical knowledge so you find something that could be wrong with anyone. I guess when we are full of faults we will find only faults with others and the positive we will stay away from. Bee's are attracted to honey, flies are attracted to stool, i guess you have to decide what do you want to be, a bee or a fly?
I understand iskcon has various issues, that is something i am not contesting, however you are just finding excuses to not like iskcon. I find that to be rather sad. Quite pitiful anyways. I have been to India, banglore etc and I have talked to various people and various people have various opinions, these opinions are always based on their preexisting ideas of what they feel is right and wrong. I find that your "proof" is insufficiant. Try a little harder please.
Haridham - you still belive like a lawyer - when I say 95% of people agree with me, immediately you ask for Survey Results"
Ofcourse, it shows that I am intelligent. And I wont fall for nonsense that you state. What an ignorant statement you just made. In your previous emails you stated that i shoudnt put my hand in the sand like an ostrich but when I expose your lies and ignorance you contradict yourself and want me to believe whatever nonsense you state? How arrogant of you.
"you want to read proofs ? 2nd evidence of how visitors feel - Go to Google and type "almost atheist to a complete non-believer" and read the 1st link that gets displayed under the same heading - its written by a person KARTHIK MITTA"
WOw, the above is ur supposed proof? r you serious? What a joke! lol. This was one persons opinion. He doesnt know iskcon works, he simply has his own ideas. Where are the other 94.9 percent? SHow me please. I can show you proof how people love iskcon as well
They are not prepared with the way a Prasad has to be amde and it is commercially sold - IT IS NOT PRASADA"
Again, in ur faulty envious opinion. U obviously dont know what Prasadam really is. I find u 2 be quite ignorant & rather arrogant. U feel that just because u r an old man from india that everyone should but put at ur feet. How ignorant! U should realize that when we give someone prasadam they become devotees. This system works all over the world for iskcon. Who r u to challenge it?
Haridham - you asked me why I still keep going to ISKCON inspite of the behaviour of the Prabhus in such a manner ? Well - I go to visit LORD KIRSHNA. RADHA, BALARAMA. I go for the Gods and Godesses.
"ANy food which is prepared and first offered to the God can be "Prasada" and has to be distributed free of cost"
In your faulty opinion. Prasadam can be sold as well as be free. Perhaps you should realize that the money that Iskcon gets from the prasadam is for a good cause.
Haridham - do you the definition of the word "Prasada" ? Looks like you don't. Any food which is prepared in a specific manner with specific ingretiants and first offered to the God can be "Prasada" and has to be distributed free of cost. The ISKCON Restaurants serving 100 items are pure commercial establishments. They are not prepared with the way a Prasad has to be amde and it is commercially sold - IT IS NOT PRASADA.
Haridham - the problem with you is, you are behaving like a lawyer and not a KRISHNA BHAKTA - you keep asking for proofs, evidences, 'show me' attitude. If someone is giving you a negative feedback, learn to accept it and work on correcting, instead of defending and refusing to accept with proofs.
Haribol100, the problem with u is that u expect everyone 2 believe half truths & lies without presenting facts. Funny how u stated earlier not 2 put ur head in the sand like an ostrich and when i dont u dont like that. So that is not a good thing, u should lead by a better example. I accept the facts, but what u present if not complete facts but your personal opinion and views. I know plenty of people living in banglore who r & r not part of iskcon and most people dont agree with u.
"There were a few cases where the Prabhus brain washed small kids to give up their family and stay in ISKCON and it became a big scanda"
Oh? Big scandel? How big? Wow, so that must mean that there must be some evidence of this, newspapers, radio, television..something right? So I hope you can give me evidence. I hope you are not making things up as you usually do.
Haribol100 by the way a Krsna bhakt always goes for evidence and doesnt believe things blindly. This is what Lord Krsna states in the Bhagavad gita. So this is not my negative feedback but rather constructive criticism and you should also accept it.
haribol100 the only thing i see u do is complain regarding iskcon but u havent done anything to fix the issue. Why not lead by example, do some seva by cleaning up after? Why do u keep going to the temple when prabhu's "pounce" on u or "brainwash"(without evidence) little kids. I have noticed that in our debate u have changed the subject from Krsna being supreme to this because u didnt have any facts, so u instead try 2 get personal & attack the political aspect of iskcon. Great try. Pity though
Haridham you also state - "Even then there is nothing wrong with getting a second opinion."
I agree with you. Ask 100 people (who are not part of ISKCON Managing Committee) who are either members or non members of ISKCON and see what they tell you. I can tell you 95% of people will agree with my views.
"Ask 100 people (who are not part of ISKCON Managing Committee) who are either members or non members of ISKCON and see what they tell you"
Well if you are stating something than please present the facts, show me the survey that 95%of the people agree with your views. Frankly that is such an ignorant statement. Where did you get that percentage anyways? Did you just make it up? So far with any of our conversations EVER you havent been able to prove anything. You always dodge everything
"I am a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON visiting ISKCON very regulary so i am defintely qualified to make all these statements"
I disagree. I know many from Banglore who are non devotees who love iskcon and are life members who would disagree with you. Just because you state you are qualified doesnt mean you are. I can say I am qualified to become the prime minister of India because I visit India regularly, but anyone who is intelligent knows that that is not a fact.
Haridham - When I suggest to my relatives about visiting ISKCON I can see their hesitancy due to all the issues I have stated here. There were a few cases where the Prabhus brain washed small kids to give up their family and stay in ISKCON and it became a big scandal. So Devotees are worried to take their kids - which is a real pity.
Haridham - I wish ISKCON had just given free KRISHNA PRASADA to eat. Instead, they have opened one huge restaurant and one huge food court - together serving 100 different food items. I feel like crying when I see a holy place like TEMPLE being converted to such a mess with everyone eating and creating a havoc.
"I wish ISKCON had just given free KRISHNA PRASADA to eat"
They do, where do they dont do this? Where are you getting ur ideas from? Hindi movies?
"Instead, they have opened one huge restaurant and one huge food court - together serving 100different food items"
Whats wrong with the restaurant? Why cant they serve prasadam to the masses? If the temple makes money so they can continue to inturn serve the community whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with 100 varieties of Prasadam?
Haridham - most of the visitors to ISKCON are those who are part of Dail BLR Tour - who visit ISKCON like visiting any park or shopping centre. The genuijne LORD KRISHNA Bhakts are keeping away. Added to that ISKCON has opened a huge cafetaria where they sell different food items - these visitors make a mess of the place.
Haridham - its a pity tha ISKCON Temple is the BIGGEST Temple of LORD KRISHNA in the city but people are scared of the attitude of Prabhus - infact they have developed an aversion towards them. A real pity because genuine Devotees are missing the viewing of the beautiful Deities of RADHA, KRISHNA and BALARAMA.
Haridham - ISKCON Temple in Bangalore is part of "Daily Bangalore Tour" so more thasn 90% of visitors are those who visit ISKCON as tourists from other towns - the local people have developed an aversion towards ISKCON - a fact which u can ask anytone and verify.
Haridham, regarding the ISKCON Prabhus, you have stated "You can always tell them that if you keep presuring me then i will stop coming etc". This is exactly what all Devotees are doing. Most of them have stopped visiting ISKCON which is a pity.
Haridham - I go to ISKCON regularly because i am a LORD KRISHNA Bhakta but honestly I cringe with shame when i see the "Prabhus" behave is such a materialistic manner - only chasing Money for Donations and no discussions on Spiritualism.
"only chasing Money for Donations and no discussions on Spiritualism"
Ahh, but there are different departments, this department deals with the life membership, if you really wanted to discuss spirituality then I am certain anyone would be more the oblidged but why not look for those who are willing to converse with you. It seems you are using a lot of excuses for your issues against iskcon.
If a doctor says a person has a problem, 1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and belive doctor instead of behave like ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
Yes, however first we should understand what a doctor is and then we can see if the doctor is qualified to make such a statement. Even then there is nothing wrong with getting a second opinion.
Haridham - the problem with u is, u refuse to accept that there a a problem the way ISKCON "Prabhus" are running ISKCON. If a doctor says a person has a problem, 1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and believe doctor instead of behaving like an ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
"I go to ISKCON regularly because i am a LORD KRISHNA Bhakta but honestly I cringe with shame when i see the "Prabhus" behave is such a materialistic manner"
Its not materalistic when they use the money for Lord Krsna. So you should cringe in shame for thinking that its materialistic
haribol100 i am aware that you are old enough to be my father, however doesnt mean you cannot be checked with what you state. I am talking to you with as much respect as I would my father, my father and I had discussions all the time. He never hid behind the age factor, he encouraged intelligent thought rather then pull the "I am old enough to be your father" card. I have never stated anything sarcastic. Thats just the way you choose to accept it as.
Haridham - I am old enough to be your father so instead of speaking with nasty sarcasm statements about me chasing cars and Bollywood movies, talk with respect, the way you would to a father. I have always chatted withy u like a son.
"1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and belive doctor instead of behave like ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
Ahhh, but if i dont get a second opinion or if I just blindly accept something u state then I am also living like an ostrich with its head buried in the sand, especially when I have been part of the Iskcon life membership team & know how they work. So we should educate ourselves of the facts both ways.
Haribol100, it doesnt matter what the average salary of anyone in india is. THe fact remains the same, nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you pay those fees.
Haridham - you are very smart by converting ISKCON Membership Fees to US Dollars are saying its USD 500. do you know that come to about Rs 20, 000 and the yearly income of an average Indian was Rs 12,000 around that time ?
Haridham I visit ISKCON Bangalore very regularly. Almost every time, so many "Prabhus" pounce on me pressurising me to become member. When I say I am already a LIFE MEMBER, they begin to ask me to "upgrade' my Membership by paying another Rs 10,000 or Rs 20,000 !!
So why not upgrade so they stop "bothering" and "pouncing" on you. WHats the big deal. You can always tell them that if you keep presuring me then i will stop coming etc. I dont see the big deal.
Haridham - I have visited ISKCON Banaglore (very regularly), and ISKCON Temples at New Delhi, Vrindavan, Goverdhan, Dwarka and Kurukshetra. Which ISKCONs have you visited in India to make such statements ?
Haridham - dont make sarcastic comments. I neither go about purchasing cars nor keeping going for movies - ok ? But I still feel anyone charging 2 year's Salary as Membership Fee is high.
I didnt make any sarcastic comments. I think if its high, dont pay it. If people are willing to pay it and then complain that its rather unintelligent and silly.
Haridham - I have been living in India for more than 50 years so I have a right to comment on ISKCON Temples in India. How many years have you stayed in India and how many times have you visited ISKCON Temples in India ?
Again, I dont have to have "clue" about India, that is irrelevant. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay iskcon lifemembership fees. Its funny how much you complain about iskcon life member ship fees but I bet you dont have a problem with purchasing cars, going to movies etc, but oh iskcon life membership, thats a problem.
Not neccerarily, not everyone has to pay those high fees, we dont force anyone to pay life membership fees, you still havent answered where you get most of nonsense from. Plus whats your evidence that anyone and everyone who comes to iskcon temples only makes the avarege salary that you state. Do you think we hold a gun to peoples heads and tell them to pay us membership fees? What a joke.
Haridham - don't you think Membership of ISKCON which was almost 2 times the Annual average Salary (Check the per capita income of India in 2005)very high ?
Yes, you have a right to comment about iskcon temples in india but again what is the proof of your statements? I have stayed in india for over seven years and I have visited many temples the last time i was there. heck I visit India for various meetings etc and I have visited many iskcon temples.
Haridham, the problem with you is that being in Canada, you have no clue about India. Do you know in 2005, the per capita Income of an average Indian was Rs 12,000 per year and ISKCON Life Membership was Rs 20,000 so its almost 2 year's Salary
Yes, we refer to these exalted servants as demigods. This is an English rendering of the Sanskrit word deva, and it means that they are partial manifestations of God. Yes, we say they are subordinate to God and are His servants.
Haridham - Only ISKCON people keep saying other than LORD KRISHNA all other Gods are Demi-Gods. I think ISKCON should respect all GODS and GODESSES. And they force their views on all devotees who come to the ISKCON Temple.
and inspite of me being a Vaishnava, it is very unfair to call all other GODS and GODDESSES as "Demi Gods". its really insulting.
Far from being insults, these r terms of high praise. According 2 the Rig Veda (1.22.20), 2 b subordinate 2 the Supreme Lord is the glorious qualification of the gods (om tad visnoh paramam padam sada pasyanti surayah). So iskcon respects the demgigods and goddesses properly, v do think its insulting 2equate them 2 an equal level of Lord Krsna/Vishnu. Insulting.
Yes we do refer to Sri Ganesha, and Lord Brahma as demigods — but not everyone as you state. For example Lord Sri Rama. We consistently distinguish between the forms of Visnu (the Supreme Lord) and the devas (the exalted servants of the Supreme Lord). According to authoritative scriptures, Lord Rama is another form of Vishnu/Krsna — He is identical with Krishna, the Original Supreme Lord Himself — and deities such as Lord Siva, Lord Brahma, and Sri Ganesha are His servants.
ISKCON also respects only LORD KRISHNA and inspite of me being a Vaishnava, it is very unfair to call all other GODS and GODDESSES as "Demi Gods". its really insulting.
"And they force their views on all devotees who come to the ISKCON Temple"
Where did you get this from? If you come to an iskcon temple we dont force our view on you, we educate you properly, nobody will put a gun to your head and make you come to an iskcon temple. Most people love coming to our temples because we are not like other hindu temples, you actually get educated here.
Haridham - inspite of me being a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON I sometimes feel ashamed the way they behave. You should see how they try to force every visitor to the Temple to become life members by paying very hefty Amounts.
Hefty amounts? R u serious? Seriously, r u serious? A life membership fee is like 399.00 american. How is that a hefty fee? What would u do with that money anyways? Go to bollywood movies? Do u even know what kind of benefits u get 4 paying that fee? Trust me, nobody forces anyone 2 pay any kind of fee, i have been part of the iskcon lifemembership team in india, it doesnt work that way. Sorry
Though I am a life member at ISKCON let me tell you that the problem with ISKCON people (atleast in India) is that they thrust their views, do not listen to others and belittle other GODS and GODDESSES. This has made them very unpopular in India. Infact their dominating way of forcing their views has actually had adverse effect. I wish they were more subtle and more open in their thinking.
Haridham - Thanks. I appreciate it. The biggest problem I face with ISKCON people is that they force their views and opinions on others. I am glad you are different and respect my views.
So being "open" in our thinking is fine, however we should not mistake a lack of knowledge with being open. Being open is fine but its more important to have standards. Our standards are set by Lord Krsna and we keep that as it is and present the yuga dharma as it is, not the watered down version of a perticular culture.
Haridham - I read SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM and BHAGAVAD GITA when you were still a small kid so don't make damaging statements. There is no point arguing with you, I have realised. I am a life member at ISKCON so I know very well what they teach and preach.
I am glad you are a life member, we appriciate your support. However knowing and understanding are two different things. If you actually knew what iskcon taught, you woudnt have been having this "argument" with me. Ofcourse we werent arguing, we were debating, atleast i was trying to.
It was wonderful conversing with you. I know we both have different view points. I respect yours and i am certain you respect mine.
Actually Iskcon in india or anywhere else has never belittled the Gods & Goddesses. Im not sure where u r getting this from. Ofcourse u have 2 realize that in vedic culture there is only 1 God & thats Lord Krsna who comes in various Visnu tattva forms. The rest r demigods or devi and devatas & r servents of Lord Krsna/Vishnu etc.
I disagree that iskcon is very unpopular in india as since I have been 2 india & studied there,most people love iskcon except those who havent studied properly.
I agree with hardham, he is great with knoledge. He is and iskcon is doing great work. Nimbark acharya and others also agree that Krishna is supreem bhagvan.
There is no point arguing with you, I have realised"
That is a good realization. One cannot get proper understanding and come to the proper conclusion by simply arguing. One has to have the mercy of Guru and Krsna.
Tarko apratistha("Simply by arguing you cannot come to the right conclusion.")
"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord and the spiritual master are all the imports of Vedic knowledge automatically revealed"
Seeing the true form of a deity (Krishna in this case) must be something that is beautiful and terrifying for a mortal like Arjun(a). He truly must have been special for Krishna to show Arjun his true form. I'm not a Hindu but this scene, in visual and written form, is just mind-blowing.
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LK56835 1 year ago
Please somebody enlighthen me: ¿"virat swarup" means "all the DIVINE persons"? (like in the title: "complete form of GOD")
0NobodyNonameetc 1 year ago
@0NobodyNonameetc Virat means supreme, swaroop can be interpreted as "form" Thus, virat swaroop means supreme form. Another name for virat swaroop is vishwaroop. Vishwa can be interpreted as universe, roop means form, thus vishwaroop means universal form
utubegay1 1 year ago
¿Can somebody please answer this question? Virat swarup means "all persons" or "all the DIVINE persons"? (Like in the title: complete form of GOD)
0NobodyNonameetc 1 year ago
Who is the original form of God in the Vedas? Is it Krishna or Vishnu, or someone else? What is the proof?
khoti 1 year ago
Lord Vishnu is the plenary expansion of krishna. Thus, Lord Vishnu is above the influence of the material energy. Vishnu’s opulences are almost equal to Lord Krishna’s. Yet Krishna is the original person. 1 candle lights the flame of another. The second burns separately but its illumination is equal to the original candle. In the same way, Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality, expands Himself into the different forms of Vishnu, who are equally bright and powerful.
Pashupatastra 1 year ago
@khoti If I'm not mistaken, both Krishna and Vishnu show up fairly late in the picture. Earlier in the Veda, appear Indra, Agni, Varuna and others.
pleappleappleap 1 year ago
this is best vedio
rahulprabhu281 1 year ago
this is just awesome episode of shri krishna.have no words how to explain my feeling toward this video..tks to shri 'ramanand sagar'who really made such a nice serial.
niyakhoslaymailcom 1 year ago
Ramanand Sagar needs to learn some production/direction skills. Thanks for uploading this, but it looks very stupid compared to the Mahabharat series on DD. Looks at Arjun's overacting here...and the set inside a studio, looks very unreal. Looks like a stupid stage drama
lodapappu 1 year ago
Nice
Tomstered 1 year ago
JAI SHRI KRISHNA!!!!!
vinaytiger 1 year ago
svayam bhagvan where there is no end beginng or middle , you call him god allah or ishvara all goes to the same message!!
RealHinduMadrid 1 year ago
hinduism only believes in one god theres just some confussion read the vedas upanishads brahman that is allah waheguru almighty god created 3 angels lord brahma lord vishnu and lord shiva who probaly by know became the same as god they probaly by know became one with god guru nanak describes they all chant the name of god lord shiva medeates on brahman so does vishnu and bhrahma that brahman allah is indescrible has no gender shape relgion colour can be obtained see god in
mosiefool 1 year ago
@mosiefool
actually some indinas do elieve in a GOD... like with a form and thats lord krishna.. he is hte original god, or allah ... like from him comes the other incarnations, etc.... krishna is hte reservoir ofpleasure
radha25 1 year ago
sup
mosiefool 1 year ago
indescrible every relgion is the same
mosiefool 1 year ago
god is one alone hinduism belives only in one god read the vedas upanishads it takes about that one god brahman who made three angels lord brahma lord vishnu and lord shiva they all chant the name of brahman brahman is allah vaihguru ram is also means god but there was also prophet ram avtar probably by know obtained allah brahman but god is also called ram it means gods everywere theres only one god alone who never comes in human form no gender no colour no shape
mosiefool 1 year ago
@mosiefool You are right , but what you are saying relates to the Advaita philosophy as preached by Adi Shankara , but the same Adi Shankara started the upasana of Panchdev ( Shiva ,Ganesh ,Shakti , Vishnu and Surya) and he told all his disciples that all these forms belong to the same God . Swami Vivekananda believed in God as Brahman and also as the mother Kali , just like his Guru Sri Ramakrishna . Sir please try to understand hinduism properly by studying its saints ,before commenting.
Galavya41 1 year ago
Oh brahman, bring wisdom to those who follow the way. Give wisdom to those who desire greatness for the good-hearted. Provide them the ability to enlighten others.
pureshiva 2 years ago
@pureshiva: Thank You brother :-) God Bless You :-)
GreenCheese500 1 year ago
He is here in the form of His Holy Name now.
ServeTruth2u 2 years ago
Hey Lord come to this earth and show us people again this form so that we believe in God again....it has been a long time.....
TX5436 2 years ago
Hey Lord come to this earth and show us people again this form so that we believe in God again....it has been a long time.....
TX5436 2 years ago
hail mahavishnu justify my cause
GANDHWARV 2 years ago
Jai Shree Krishna. REALITY OF LIFE. I Love You Krishna..... Yehi Maharaas hai. Mahavataar. Hai....... Om Namah Shivay
hoshangsharma 2 years ago
Jai Sri Krsna!
whoddaya 2 years ago
Jai Shri krishna ! The universe is endless, the time is endless. Humans the highest form of life on earth, intelligent but not enough to know the Supreme power and hence the divisions, war and crimes. Lord Krishna's message in "GEETA" is for every human being to live "SCIENTIFICALLY" and "SPRITUALLY" No war, no crimes, no haters.JUST LOVE & PEACE. Love thyself, love thy neighbours, worship the forests, the trees, the rivers, the mountains, animals,birds. God has given more then enough to us.
dharmatmma 2 years ago
hi, the way to display it, it not like this in Bagavat gita.
amina712 2 years ago
my dear brother, if you are saying so, please don't display it bcoz , it shows ur foolishness and that u've not earned any knowledge from the bible.
kinngofworld 2 years ago
Fabulous for all time...........
I can't more words & feeling.......
Mr. Ramanand Sagar really his Heart & soul to creating Shree Krishna Serial.... Thank u v. much.
And thanx to u also for uploading the same... More do upload if u can... Tell me how get all these wonderfull stuffs.
Before GOD.... there is no one...........................
raja3005 2 years ago
Jab parmatama kripa karte hain to aage ka rasta bhi apne aap dikha dete hain. Isliye Internet bhagwan ka virat swaroop hai unse poochhoge to sab marg sugam ho jayenge. Jai sri krishna!
g1391978 2 years ago
@raja3005 JAI SHRI KRISHNA!!!!!
vinaytiger 1 year ago
Wao! thnks 4 uploading
rashminecessary1 2 years ago
lovely Virat Swaroop.. thanks 4 uploadin dis video... its excellent.... love to see dis again n again.. feels lik God Himself is infront of us!
Jai Shree Krishna...!!! Jai Shree Narayan...
love u Lord...!!!
akshucool21 2 years ago
Those christian people that are saying that Hindus worship many gods... Cant you realize the essence of this video ? The Supreme Lord illustrates a mortal how everything in the universe is just one divine being, that being is none other than the Almighty Lord. Read the Bhagavat Gita and know something before you comment on hinduism.
sesshy34 2 years ago
Very beautiful ,I love to see this.
Halwaroti 2 years ago
newchild88, stop making silly comments!! we have been here thousands of years before u guys even existed!! we respect jesus and so pls dont mock us, learn yr religion well before u comment, i know the bible better than u so pls do check with me as i am a hindu and will answer all yr silly comments
shyblackturtle 2 years ago
I was feeling so happy when i was watching this video but i made a mistake to read some of yours comments.shame that we don't give up fighting there too when it comes to god and his existence.Please don't fight.we all are going to die one day.nothing is going to come with us but goodness.
winkflash58 2 years ago
jesus we believe is part of hinduism, jesus allah and vishnu all are one god, the spritiual godhead of the universe, the forms he came in were in jesus, allah, vishnu were all his creations only to show goodness and to guide good people away from the arrogance of the devil ( satan, rasksha)
VJJMAFAN 2 years ago
listen u ugly santamornious bitch..no offences to the bible. but know one thing that here in india the fathers of jesus are present. and even when jesus was not born his father was still here. and get ur knowledge updated jesus read the BHAGAVAD GITA here and got the knowledge of his father and then he wrote bible..
jaistealth 2 years ago
please have some respect for other religions.. u dont knw anything about hinduism
johnsalman66 2 years ago
I have a question, even though your ignorance proceeds you, how do you know that Jesus Christ is not another form of the one true lord? Furthermore, FYI hindus may have 330,000,000 demigods but we ALL know that there is ONLY ONE true god, but he exists in his many personalities. OM SHANTI
maulikpatel123 2 years ago
Lovely Virat roop!!
Haridham is fanatic and a bully!!
Chhenu 2 years ago
In gita God said ' the one who worship my personal form with faith and love is the best and is easier.
ramayan123 3 years ago 3
he showed this form to prove others that he is the supreme god and has no difference between his body and him.
darkhawk12 3 years ago 2
lol easy easy, lets not scoop down to the level of bcklashing over religions and enjoy the brilliant philosophy of hinduism.
gopidravid 3 years ago 3
Haribol100 You Confused fool see Princegoutham Videos and Learn about lord Shiva that's why he is the Guru of all Saiva people in YouTube and in Saiva Community Dare to ask and challenge Him you Old Confused Fools No one listens to your foolish words not even your wife and children I will Kill you Bastard Give me your Address
Zoomingzap 3 years ago
We shall not fight my dear friends, whether we accpet Kisna/Visnu or Brahman as supreme, tha re one and the same. It is easier however to devote and to love and have affection for Krsna due to his Lilas and his form. With this we can develp attachment and dedication where as Brahman has no form and difficult to love and devote to the one which has No Form.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
We are parts and parcels of this Supreme energy or the Supreme embodiment being Vishnu himself.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
if one worships Krsna alone , he shall be able to attain God just like you said. so Iskon is not wrong.Iskon was created my friend for the western culture to let them know about that form of God which will attract so many. And what best form is there apart from Krsna to do this Job. Krsna is non different from Visnu and here is shows clearly, Visnu is standing right in the front to show his Supremacy and the "Oneness of every living being, his immediate expansions being Lord Shiva and Brahma.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
In the Vedas, there is 3 manisfestatons of the Supreme Truth namely Brahman, Paratmatma and Visnu. all 3 are non different from each other. Brahman are the effulgent rays of Vishnu and it is said there is no difference between the Lord and his energy. Soem worship Brahman and merge aftre death to become with brahman (Individual self) and some worship visnu and begets a spiritual body and got to Vaikunth planets.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
In the Vedas, there is 3 manisfestatons of the Supreme Truth namely Brahman, Paratmatma and Visnu. all 3 are non different from each other. Brahman are the effulgent rays of Vishnu and it is said there is no difference between the Lord and his energy. Soem worship Brahman and merge aftre death to become with brahman (Individual self) and some worship visnu and begets a spiritual body and got to Vaikunth planets.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
im not an iskon follower but in the Brahma Samhita Lord Brahma prays to Vishnu as Govinda in his two armed form as "Govinda Adi Purusham" meaning govinda the supreme one. So Govinda who is also Krisna cannot be any different from Visnu. Krsna nd Vishnu is one and same, even accoeding to Iskon, if u read their version of Bhagvad Gita.
parisavenue111 3 years ago
Haribol100 you are a foolish Vaishnava and vendanta follower will still write 100 stories of 100 avatars and confuse themselves and other fools who go after them they don't know that their all Rama Krishna indra chandra countless gods in the name of avatars and demons worshipped the only true god who did not discriminate between gods and demons He is lord Shiva
Zoomingzap 3 years ago
Lord Shiva is indeed the Lord but insulting Lord Vishnu devotees is an isult to both Visnu and Shiva. Lord shiva is most dearest to Visnu and Visnu is most dearest to Shiva. Please read the vedas
parisavenue111 3 years ago
we must talk or else hindus divided will allow more attacks from crazy people. any last replies from me 2 u or u 2 me were deleted by poster of alan watts hindu vid.if u r unable to answer/accept evidence ive yet 2 show that elaborates personifications of Brahman God and how krsna devotees dharmic, ive still some question in NON iskcon, impersonal philosphy of hinduism. i wont get any replies till u unblock me and 2 avoid youtube comment problems plz come to my group or choose another
Playitalready 3 years ago
we must talk or else hindus divided will allow more attacks from crazy people. any last replies from me 2 u or u 2 me were deleted by poster of alan watts hindu vid.if u r unable to answer/accept evidence ive yet 2 show that elaborates personifications of Brahman God and how krsna devotees dharmic, ive still some question in NON iskcon, impersonal philosphy of hinduism. i wont get any replies till u unblock me and 2 avoid youtube comment problems plz come to my group or choose another
Playitalready 3 years ago
"Knowing Him, who is the author of the Vedas, who is hidden in the Vedas andUpanisads, and whom the demigod Brahmä also knows, the great demigods andsages became immortal." -S.Upanisad 5.6 Sri Krsna confirms that He is the author of the Vedas in Bhagavad-gita 15.15" It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahmä in Vedic knowledge andwho disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past." (Atharva Veda, Gopäla-täpaniUpanisad 1.24)
Playitalready 3 years ago
no 1 listen to dharmrakshas he'll only make PERSONAL attacks withOUT Proof. in the end he sent some website as proof against krsna devotees lol but before i got the answer to conront that or show my proof, he ran and blocked me! Krsna not in Vedas? ive proof he doesnt...
Playitalready 3 years ago
Is Brahman God, or is this form he is presented in represent all the meanings of what God is. Cause I saw there was Brahman sitting as God was manifesting himself.
Th3ba1r0n 3 years ago
th3b; Brahman is a word for the eternal infinite relity that can't be personified. however, Brahman is personified in the endless amount of things both material and spiritual from germs to Gods. material changes and ends hence is never real spiritual is eternal and real. Vishnu/Krsna/Rama (1000+names) is where Brahma the creator/Shiva the destroyer come from. he is supreme controller/eternal/sits within every atom and person. email haridham or me for more info haridham is knowledgeable.
Playitalready 3 years ago
Krisna(vishnu) is accepted in all the Vedic litteratures as the supreme God.Brahman is the rays of vishnu. But Krishna is the dearest form of god. Read Gita of prabhupad.
darkhawk12 3 years ago 2
LOL!!!!!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
"9.24 (For) I alone am the enjoyer and also the Lord of all sacrifices; but they do not know Me in essence .. " Lol.. but all of iskCON and haridham think that they ONLY know and that Krishn is their private monopoly and is only in iskCON temples!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
And haridham has NO BALLS at all to debate me or you openly in public!!! I went on his channel and challenged him to an open debate in front of everybody!! He removed my posts and posed as polite and put his instead. And then sent me series of very abusive private messages while I was trying to show some still.
Chhenu 3 years ago
LOL!! Dharmarakshak!! These guys have mistranslated whole volumes after volumes!!! And they propound them as the ultimate truth and as hardcore "evidence" in everything!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
haridham is total bullshit man!!! He has perverted views and is a big control freak. Plus he needs therapy on anger management big time!! Look at all the dirty, vulgar and highly hateful mails he sent to haribol!! WOW!!! And this cheapstake calls himself a "Krishna bhakta"!!!! WOW!!! what a standard!! Jai Prabhupad!!! Jai Isk-CON LOL!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
Guys - see the language used by HARIDHAM in messages below - is this what they teach him in Canada ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
HARIDHAM in your personal mail to me you stated - "Your indian society is full of villians. Iskcon philosophy doesnt state anywhere to do the things you mentioned. SO that must mean the people that come from your indian society are villians and currupt. Much like most of india."
How dare you , bastard ass-hole, how dare youb speak ill of India.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Chhenu - this is what HARIDHAM has sent to me as his comments - "STUPID, RETARDED, UNEDUCATED, UNCULTURED YOU ARE! YOU STUPID HOMOSEXUAL FOOLISH JACKASS. SHOW ME WHERE IT STATES THAT KRSNA IS THE 8th INCARNATION OF VISHNU? WHERE? SHOW ME? YOU STUPID IGNORANT RETARD. GO HAVE SEX WITH CHHENU!"
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham is a typical ISKCON Prabhu. Ane he also makes lots of Anti-India comments saying this country is full of goondas, rapists, molestors and kidnappers.
Haribol100 3 years ago
HARIDHAM - You have asked if Chhenu is my wife - this is heights of stupidity from you !! Do you think I am a homosexula you ignorant jacakass ?
Also - I never said LORD KRISHNA is not Supreme. What I am trying to say is LORD KRISHNA has come as 8th Avatara of LORD VISHNU so LORD KRISHNA is as Powerful as LORD VISHNU.
Haribol100 3 years ago
oh yes. This is right. Krishna is Vishnu avatara. This is original thing. But iskcon says vishnu is krishna's avatara. lol. Well..
And saying Chhenu as wife of haribol is just like saying prabhupad is Chhenu's girlfriend!!! Absolutely no sense at all!!! WOW!! LOL!!! haridham, dude you have some real perverted crazy fantasies!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
HARIDHAM,
I have totaally lost respect for you. I was thinking you are one of a different kind but you are no different from the rest. Whatever I write you want proofs. When others guys like Chhenu and Dharmrakshak write the same, you say I have brought goons to help me.
In your mail, you have called me a liar and a cheat and even said I am not a LIFE MEMBER. You fool, do you want to know my LIFE MEMBERSHIP Number ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - you have sent me a message stating - "Your indian society is full of villians. Iskcon philosophy doesnt state anywhere to do the things you mentioned. SO that must mean the people that come from your indian society are villians and currupt. Much like most of india." How dare you make such statement about INDIA you useless rougue.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Hi All - I have received a very nasty mail from Haridham on my Youtube Account. He has questioned every point I had stated. You know the joke ? At the end he says "ISKCON BLR is not even a real ISKCON." !! This is too much. Just because we started finding faults with the Prabhus, he says its not a genuine ISKCON.
Haribol100 3 years ago
You people misinterpret things and call it the only valid knowledge. If others correct it, you call them jealous, envious and ignorant. How childish and silly!!
Chhenu 3 years ago
And besides you are in Canada too. iskcon and canada brothers. So it gives you right to abuse others as ignorants? ur prabhupad did teh same. Heck he even abused the saints of India as he praised his own clan. Like acharya, like followers.
Chhenu 3 years ago
Fact of matter is that haridham can only debate people on his own channel. Cuz he can remove other's comments and put his instead and announce KO in his favor. How biased. lol. So don't worry he won't "waste" his time here. But he will on his channel.
Chhenu 3 years ago
CHENU, HARIDHAM HAS DEFEATED YOU MANY TIMES. I HAVE SEEN. YOU ARE IGNORANT and FULLY OF JEALOUSY AGAINST HARIDHAM AND ISKON. SO MANY PEOPLE CAN FIGHT YOU NO PROBLEM. EVEN A DOG. YOU ARE RUDE AND ARE DEFEATABLE EASY WITH HARIDHAM. HARIDHAM BLOCKED YOU BECUSE YOU DONT HAVE INTELLIGENCE!
thegift108 3 years ago
thegift108, I know how haridham defeats people by removing their comments and putting his own in place of them. There is absolutely NOTHING that Isckon or haridham have that can make me feel jealous of them!! Even a dog can fight me? What sort of logic is that? Is that your bhakti coming out now or hatred and abusive feelings?
Chhenu 3 years ago
Anyone who don't call you with pseudo humbleness Prabhuji is considered rude and arrogant in your dictionary. Anyone who doesn't agree with your misinterpretation twists is considered an ignorant and fool in your terms. So nothing new or surprising you are calling me all that. iskCON parrots want that people should listen to them only and accept. But not say anything otherwise. You guys are control freaks! and need therapy in anger management and need to view the world unbiased.
Chhenu 3 years ago
" Prasadam can be sold as well as be free. Perhaps you should realize that the money that Iskcon gets from the prasadam is for a good cause." - Now this is deviation. Do the scriptures instruct to SELL food offered to God??? Another modification, deviation and change in original Vedic tradition n value. Prabhupad said - "change is rascal. The moment u change something original, u r a rascal!!". I don't need to say much on this further.
Chhenu 3 years ago
wow chhenu, you are not in knowledge when you discuss with hardam or about prasadam. You dont know anything about hindu culture. Haridam does. You learn from haridam. Iskon, hardam know so much you dont. silly little arguments. HARIDHAM, DONT WASTE TIME WITH THESE GUYS.
thegift108 3 years ago
What did I say so that proves my ignorance about Hinduism?? I know several people that are eager to attack Hinduism. You seem one of them. Iskcon has nothing to do with Hinduism!! haridham is an IskCON parrot. He knows about Hinduism?? Bull crap!!! Don't jump in posting your silly advice to people. U seem another IskCON fanatic who sees all Vedic things as "ignorance" and 300 year old modifications as Vedic.
Chhenu 3 years ago
CHHENU, you are to stupid! GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GET A REAL LIFE! YOU ARE IGNORANT PAKISTANI! GO BAKC TO PAKISTAN STUPID! LEARN ABOUT REAL HINDUISM FROM HARDAM
thegift108 3 years ago
I'm pakistani?? ROTFLMAO!!!! You must be on drugs!! See this is how you guys start speculating. Whether smth is true or not, u have to defend haridham cuz u r from the same cult. Haridham is IskCON not Hindu. So how come he is some sort of authority on Hinduism?? lol. U ppl contradict your own self.
Chhenu 3 years ago
HARIDHAM - what ever i am telling you are my "opinions" and not "views" - so you cant ask for proofs. If a person says he is experiencing cold, will you take it as it is or ask him to prove what he has stated as an "experience"?
Haribol100 3 years ago 2
wowharibol100 you truly an ignorant guy from india. You dont know anything. He defeted you in a debate and instead of accepting you are still arguing. low class. Janwar!
thegift108 3 years ago
Chhenu haribol100 dont know anything about hinduism, you should learn about that from haridam.
HARIDHAM, DONT WASTE TIME WITH THESE PEOPLE!
thegift108 3 years ago
Haridham - you stated " I know many places in india where girls and boys are sold for prostitution, kidnapped, etc, so perhaps its something that happens in india" - well if it is done by villains then its not shocking but this happening in ISKCON ? Is it not shocking ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - I have been trying to clear the mess at ISKCON BLR for many years. Initially i thought u are a broad minded guy willing to listen to my problems and play a supporting hand but u are as fanatic as the ISKCON Prabhus - not willing to listen but sticking to ur own views.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - you say you have visited ISKCON BLR many times when you come to BLR but what you don't realise is I am a resident of BLR and visit ISKCON very regularly. These qre facts which now even Chennu has stated.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - I am also a Vaishnavaite. However, I am very different from the ISKCON guys. I am not a fanatic. I also Pray and Respect LORD SHIVA. I do not consider LORD SHIVA to be a Demi-God or a "Servant" of LORD KRISHNA - The way the ISKCON guys put it.
I am a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON but that's because I contributed Rs 20,000 to AKSHAYA PATRA Scheme (Mid day Meal for poor children) and this contribution got me the LIFE MEMBERSHIP.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - you have stated somewhere that even LORD KRISHNA has stated that we should ask for proofs (you told this when I saaid you are acting like a lwayer). can you tell me which Verse of BHAGAVAD GITA LORD KRISHNA says this ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - you want to read proofs ? 2nd evidence of how visitors feel - Go to Google and type "almost atheist to a complete non-believer" and read the 1st link that gets displayed under the same heading - its written by a person KARTHIK MITTA.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Also you stated that Iskcon banglore kidnapped and brainwashed children, where is the proof for that. Can you show me or are you a liar! I mean its funny, I know many places in india where girls and boys are sold for prostitution, kidnapped, etc, so perhaps its something that happens in india, quite sad. This ofcourse happens everywhere not india. You should google statictics india and see how bad things are in india regarding child abuse and child molestations.
haridham 3 years ago
"Haridham - do you the definition of the word "Prasada" ? Looks like you don't"
In your faulty opinion which is based on ignorance and envy of the success that iskcon has accomplished.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - go to Google and type - "LADY THE TRAMP ISKCON Bangalore". Open the 1st Article that gets displayed, its the LADY THE TRAMP website. When you open this link, you will see a blog of many Articles. Search on the word "ISKCON" and read the article on ISKCON BLR.Hope its enough proof for you.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Also what about Iskcon Bangalore's midday meal program through the akshay patra foundation? They feel prasadam for thousands of hungry people, what about that? The program feeds 830,000 children a day. That ofcourse is rapidly growing. So if you look at the bad things why not the good things? Also what about iskcon food for life? It feeds 10 meals a second all over the world. What about that? Perhaps you should do a little bit more research before speaking.
haridham 3 years ago
I frankly think I am wasting my time, there is really no point. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing, no philosophical knowledge so you find something that could be wrong with anyone. I guess when we are full of faults we will find only faults with others and the positive we will stay away from. Bee's are attracted to honey, flies are attracted to stool, i guess you have to decide what do you want to be, a bee or a fly?
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I want to send a few links to you - I am unable to paste links - is there any special way of doing it ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
I understand iskcon has various issues, that is something i am not contesting, however you are just finding excuses to not like iskcon. I find that to be rather sad. Quite pitiful anyways. I have been to India, banglore etc and I have talked to various people and various people have various opinions, these opinions are always based on their preexisting ideas of what they feel is right and wrong. I find that your "proof" is insufficiant. Try a little harder please.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - you still belive like a lawyer - when I say 95% of people agree with me, immediately you ask for Survey Results"
Ofcourse, it shows that I am intelligent. And I wont fall for nonsense that you state. What an ignorant statement you just made. In your previous emails you stated that i shoudnt put my hand in the sand like an ostrich but when I expose your lies and ignorance you contradict yourself and want me to believe whatever nonsense you state? How arrogant of you.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - you still belive like a lawyer - when I say 95% of people agree with me, immediately you ask for Survey Results.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"you want to read proofs ? 2nd evidence of how visitors feel - Go to Google and type "almost atheist to a complete non-believer" and read the 1st link that gets displayed under the same heading - its written by a person KARTHIK MITTA"
WOw, the above is ur supposed proof? r you serious? What a joke! lol. This was one persons opinion. He doesnt know iskcon works, he simply has his own ideas. Where are the other 94.9 percent? SHow me please. I can show you proof how people love iskcon as well
haridham 3 years ago
They are not prepared with the way a Prasad has to be amde and it is commercially sold - IT IS NOT PRASADA"
Again, in ur faulty envious opinion. U obviously dont know what Prasadam really is. I find u 2 be quite ignorant & rather arrogant. U feel that just because u r an old man from india that everyone should but put at ur feet. How ignorant! U should realize that when we give someone prasadam they become devotees. This system works all over the world for iskcon. Who r u to challenge it?
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - you asked me why I still keep going to ISKCON inspite of the behaviour of the Prabhus in such a manner ? Well - I go to visit LORD KIRSHNA. RADHA, BALARAMA. I go for the Gods and Godesses.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"ANy food which is prepared and first offered to the God can be "Prasada" and has to be distributed free of cost"
In your faulty opinion. Prasadam can be sold as well as be free. Perhaps you should realize that the money that Iskcon gets from the prasadam is for a good cause.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - do you the definition of the word "Prasada" ? Looks like you don't. Any food which is prepared in a specific manner with specific ingretiants and first offered to the God can be "Prasada" and has to be distributed free of cost. The ISKCON Restaurants serving 100 items are pure commercial establishments. They are not prepared with the way a Prasad has to be amde and it is commercially sold - IT IS NOT PRASADA.
Haribol100 3 years ago
The ISKCON Restaurants serving 10 items are pure commercial establishments"
In your faulty and envious opinion. WHere does it state there you cant make ten serving items for prasadam. SHow me please unless you are a liar.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - the problem with you is, you are behaving like a lawyer and not a KRISHNA BHAKTA - you keep asking for proofs, evidences, 'show me' attitude. If someone is giving you a negative feedback, learn to accept it and work on correcting, instead of defending and refusing to accept with proofs.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haribol100, the problem with u is that u expect everyone 2 believe half truths & lies without presenting facts. Funny how u stated earlier not 2 put ur head in the sand like an ostrich and when i dont u dont like that. So that is not a good thing, u should lead by a better example. I accept the facts, but what u present if not complete facts but your personal opinion and views. I know plenty of people living in banglore who r & r not part of iskcon and most people dont agree with u.
haridham 3 years ago
"There were a few cases where the Prabhus brain washed small kids to give up their family and stay in ISKCON and it became a big scanda"
Oh? Big scandel? How big? Wow, so that must mean that there must be some evidence of this, newspapers, radio, television..something right? So I hope you can give me evidence. I hope you are not making things up as you usually do.
haridham 3 years ago
Haribol100 by the way a Krsna bhakt always goes for evidence and doesnt believe things blindly. This is what Lord Krsna states in the Bhagavad gita. So this is not my negative feedback but rather constructive criticism and you should also accept it.
haridham 3 years ago
haribol100 the only thing i see u do is complain regarding iskcon but u havent done anything to fix the issue. Why not lead by example, do some seva by cleaning up after? Why do u keep going to the temple when prabhu's "pounce" on u or "brainwash"(without evidence) little kids. I have noticed that in our debate u have changed the subject from Krsna being supreme to this because u didnt have any facts, so u instead try 2 get personal & attack the political aspect of iskcon. Great try. Pity though
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham you also state - "Even then there is nothing wrong with getting a second opinion."
I agree with you. Ask 100 people (who are not part of ISKCON Managing Committee) who are either members or non members of ISKCON and see what they tell you. I can tell you 95% of people will agree with my views.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"Ask 100 people (who are not part of ISKCON Managing Committee) who are either members or non members of ISKCON and see what they tell you"
Well if you are stating something than please present the facts, show me the survey that 95%of the people agree with your views. Frankly that is such an ignorant statement. Where did you get that percentage anyways? Did you just make it up? So far with any of our conversations EVER you havent been able to prove anything. You always dodge everything
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - you have stated "first we should understand what a doctor is and then we can see if the doctor is qualified to make such a statement."
I am a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON visiting ISKCON very regulary so i am defintely qualified to make all these statements.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"I am a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON visiting ISKCON very regulary so i am defintely qualified to make all these statements"
I disagree. I know many from Banglore who are non devotees who love iskcon and are life members who would disagree with you. Just because you state you are qualified doesnt mean you are. I can say I am qualified to become the prime minister of India because I visit India regularly, but anyone who is intelligent knows that that is not a fact.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - When I suggest to my relatives about visiting ISKCON I can see their hesitancy due to all the issues I have stated here. There were a few cases where the Prabhus brain washed small kids to give up their family and stay in ISKCON and it became a big scandal. So Devotees are worried to take their kids - which is a real pity.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"Haridham - When I suggest to my relatives about visiting ISKCON I can see their hesitancy due to all the issues I have stated here"
When people are not serious about their spiritual life they will always hesitate, with one excuse or another.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I wish ISKCON had just given free KRISHNA PRASADA to eat. Instead, they have opened one huge restaurant and one huge food court - together serving 100 different food items. I feel like crying when I see a holy place like TEMPLE being converted to such a mess with everyone eating and creating a havoc.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"I wish ISKCON had just given free KRISHNA PRASADA to eat"
They do, where do they dont do this? Where are you getting ur ideas from? Hindi movies?
"Instead, they have opened one huge restaurant and one huge food court - together serving 100different food items"
Whats wrong with the restaurant? Why cant they serve prasadam to the masses? If the temple makes money so they can continue to inturn serve the community whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with 100 varieties of Prasadam?
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - most of the visitors to ISKCON are those who are part of Dail BLR Tour - who visit ISKCON like visiting any park or shopping centre. The genuijne LORD KRISHNA Bhakts are keeping away. Added to that ISKCON has opened a huge cafetaria where they sell different food items - these visitors make a mess of the place.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"most of the visitors to ISKCON are those who are part of Dail BLR Tour - who visit ISKCON like visiting any park or shopping centre"
Iskcon is open to anyone, it is not limited to anyone.
"genuijne LORD KRISHNA Bhakts are keeping away"
You obviously dont know what a genuine Lord Krsna bhakt is.
"Added to that ISKCON has opened a huge cafetaria where they sell different food items - these visitors make a mess of the place"
So why cant you help clean it up? Do some seva?
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - its a pity tha ISKCON Temple is the BIGGEST Temple of LORD KRISHNA in the city but people are scared of the attitude of Prabhus - infact they have developed an aversion towards them. A real pity because genuine Devotees are missing the viewing of the beautiful Deities of RADHA, KRISHNA and BALARAMA.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - ISKCON Temple in Bangalore is part of "Daily Bangalore Tour" so more thasn 90% of visitors are those who visit ISKCON as tourists from other towns - the local people have developed an aversion towards ISKCON - a fact which u can ask anytone and verify.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham, regarding the ISKCON Prabhus, you have stated "You can always tell them that if you keep presuring me then i will stop coming etc". This is exactly what all Devotees are doing. Most of them have stopped visiting ISKCON which is a pity.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - I go to ISKCON regularly because i am a LORD KRISHNA Bhakta but honestly I cringe with shame when i see the "Prabhus" behave is such a materialistic manner - only chasing Money for Donations and no discussions on Spiritualism.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"only chasing Money for Donations and no discussions on Spiritualism"
Ahh, but there are different departments, this department deals with the life membership, if you really wanted to discuss spirituality then I am certain anyone would be more the oblidged but why not look for those who are willing to converse with you. It seems you are using a lot of excuses for your issues against iskcon.
haridham 3 years ago
If a doctor says a person has a problem, 1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and belive doctor instead of behave like ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
Yes, however first we should understand what a doctor is and then we can see if the doctor is qualified to make such a statement. Even then there is nothing wrong with getting a second opinion.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - the problem with u is, u refuse to accept that there a a problem the way ISKCON "Prabhus" are running ISKCON. If a doctor says a person has a problem, 1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and believe doctor instead of behaving like an ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
Haribol100 3 years ago
"I go to ISKCON regularly because i am a LORD KRISHNA Bhakta but honestly I cringe with shame when i see the "Prabhus" behave is such a materialistic manner"
Its not materalistic when they use the money for Lord Krsna. So you should cringe in shame for thinking that its materialistic
haridham 3 years ago
haribol100 i am aware that you are old enough to be my father, however doesnt mean you cannot be checked with what you state. I am talking to you with as much respect as I would my father, my father and I had discussions all the time. He never hid behind the age factor, he encouraged intelligent thought rather then pull the "I am old enough to be your father" card. I have never stated anything sarcastic. Thats just the way you choose to accept it as.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I am old enough to be your father so instead of speaking with nasty sarcasm statements about me chasing cars and Bollywood movies, talk with respect, the way you would to a father. I have always chatted withy u like a son.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"1st step is - the patient should accept he has a problem and belive doctor instead of behave like ostrich which buries its head in sand and says "the World is Perfect, there is no problem."
Ahhh, but if i dont get a second opinion or if I just blindly accept something u state then I am also living like an ostrich with its head buried in the sand, especially when I have been part of the Iskcon life membership team & know how they work. So we should educate ourselves of the facts both ways.
haridham 3 years ago
Haribol100, it doesnt matter what the average salary of anyone in india is. THe fact remains the same, nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you pay those fees.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - you are very smart by converting ISKCON Membership Fees to US Dollars are saying its USD 500. do you know that come to about Rs 20, 000 and the yearly income of an average Indian was Rs 12,000 around that time ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
"Haridham - the problem with u is, u refuse to accept that there a a problem the way ISKCON "Prabhus" are running ISKCON."
Show me where I stated something which refused to accept the "facts" that you are claiming about?
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham I visit ISKCON Bangalore very regularly. Almost every time, so many "Prabhus" pounce on me pressurising me to become member. When I say I am already a LIFE MEMBER, they begin to ask me to "upgrade' my Membership by paying another Rs 10,000 or Rs 20,000 !!
Haribol100 3 years ago
So why not upgrade so they stop "bothering" and "pouncing" on you. WHats the big deal. You can always tell them that if you keep presuring me then i will stop coming etc. I dont see the big deal.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I have visited ISKCON Banaglore (very regularly), and ISKCON Temples at New Delhi, Vrindavan, Goverdhan, Dwarka and Kurukshetra. Which ISKCONs have you visited in India to make such statements ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - dont make sarcastic comments. I neither go about purchasing cars nor keeping going for movies - ok ? But I still feel anyone charging 2 year's Salary as Membership Fee is high.
Haribol100 3 years ago
I didnt make any sarcastic comments. I think if its high, dont pay it. If people are willing to pay it and then complain that its rather unintelligent and silly.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I have been living in India for more than 50 years so I have a right to comment on ISKCON Temples in India. How many years have you stayed in India and how many times have you visited ISKCON Temples in India ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Again, I dont have to have "clue" about India, that is irrelevant. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay iskcon lifemembership fees. Its funny how much you complain about iskcon life member ship fees but I bet you dont have a problem with purchasing cars, going to movies etc, but oh iskcon life membership, thats a problem.
haridham 3 years ago
Not neccerarily, not everyone has to pay those high fees, we dont force anyone to pay life membership fees, you still havent answered where you get most of nonsense from. Plus whats your evidence that anyone and everyone who comes to iskcon temples only makes the avarege salary that you state. Do you think we hold a gun to peoples heads and tell them to pay us membership fees? What a joke.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - don't you think Membership of ISKCON which was almost 2 times the Annual average Salary (Check the per capita income of India in 2005)very high ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
Yes, you have a right to comment about iskcon temples in india but again what is the proof of your statements? I have stayed in india for over seven years and I have visited many temples the last time i was there. heck I visit India for various meetings etc and I have visited many iskcon temples.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham, the problem with you is that being in Canada, you have no clue about India. Do you know in 2005, the per capita Income of an average Indian was Rs 12,000 per year and ISKCON Life Membership was Rs 20,000 so its almost 2 year's Salary
Haribol100 3 years ago
In my earlier message when i said "hefty amounts", I am referring to what the Devotees need to pay.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"I think ISKCON should respect all GODS and GODESSES."
We do, but all the "gods" and Goddesses" are servents of Lord Krsna/Vishnu, they are not equal to Lord Krsna/Vishnu.
ISKCON also respects only LORD KRISHNA.
Where did you get that idea from? Are you making things up again? Can you show me where we state this?
haridham 3 years ago
Yes, we refer to these exalted servants as demigods. This is an English rendering of the Sanskrit word deva, and it means that they are partial manifestations of God. Yes, we say they are subordinate to God and are His servants.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - Only ISKCON people keep saying other than LORD KRISHNA all other Gods are Demi-Gods. I think ISKCON should respect all GODS and GODESSES. And they force their views on all devotees who come to the ISKCON Temple.
Haribol100 3 years ago
and inspite of me being a Vaishnava, it is very unfair to call all other GODS and GODDESSES as "Demi Gods". its really insulting.
Far from being insults, these r terms of high praise. According 2 the Rig Veda (1.22.20), 2 b subordinate 2 the Supreme Lord is the glorious qualification of the gods (om tad visnoh paramam padam sada pasyanti surayah). So iskcon respects the demgigods and goddesses properly, v do think its insulting 2equate them 2 an equal level of Lord Krsna/Vishnu. Insulting.
haridham 3 years ago
Yes we do refer to Sri Ganesha, and Lord Brahma as demigods — but not everyone as you state. For example Lord Sri Rama. We consistently distinguish between the forms of Visnu (the Supreme Lord) and the devas (the exalted servants of the Supreme Lord). According to authoritative scriptures, Lord Rama is another form of Vishnu/Krsna — He is identical with Krishna, the Original Supreme Lord Himself — and deities such as Lord Siva, Lord Brahma, and Sri Ganesha are His servants.
haridham 3 years ago
ISKCON also respects only LORD KRISHNA and inspite of me being a Vaishnava, it is very unfair to call all other GODS and GODDESSES as "Demi Gods". its really insulting.
Haribol100 3 years ago
"And they force their views on all devotees who come to the ISKCON Temple"
Where did you get this from? If you come to an iskcon temple we dont force our view on you, we educate you properly, nobody will put a gun to your head and make you come to an iskcon temple. Most people love coming to our temples because we are not like other hindu temples, you actually get educated here.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - inspite of me being a LIFE MEMBER of ISKCON I sometimes feel ashamed the way they behave. You should see how they try to force every visitor to the Temple to become life members by paying very hefty Amounts.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Hefty amounts? R u serious? Seriously, r u serious? A life membership fee is like 399.00 american. How is that a hefty fee? What would u do with that money anyways? Go to bollywood movies? Do u even know what kind of benefits u get 4 paying that fee? Trust me, nobody forces anyone 2 pay any kind of fee, i have been part of the iskcon lifemembership team in india, it doesnt work that way. Sorry
haridham 3 years ago
Though I am a life member at ISKCON let me tell you that the problem with ISKCON people (atleast in India) is that they thrust their views, do not listen to others and belittle other GODS and GODDESSES. This has made them very unpopular in India. Infact their dominating way of forcing their views has actually had adverse effect. I wish they were more subtle and more open in their thinking.
Haribol100 3 years ago
Haridham - Thanks. I appreciate it. The biggest problem I face with ISKCON people is that they force their views and opinions on others. I am glad you are different and respect my views.
Haribol100 3 years ago
So being "open" in our thinking is fine, however we should not mistake a lack of knowledge with being open. Being open is fine but its more important to have standards. Our standards are set by Lord Krsna and we keep that as it is and present the yuga dharma as it is, not the watered down version of a perticular culture.
haridham 3 years ago
Haridham - I read SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM and BHAGAVAD GITA when you were still a small kid so don't make damaging statements. There is no point arguing with you, I have realised. I am a life member at ISKCON so I know very well what they teach and preach.
Haribol100 3 years ago
I am glad you are a life member, we appriciate your support. However knowing and understanding are two different things. If you actually knew what iskcon taught, you woudnt have been having this "argument" with me. Ofcourse we werent arguing, we were debating, atleast i was trying to.
It was wonderful conversing with you. I know we both have different view points. I respect yours and i am certain you respect mine.
haridham 3 years ago
Actually Iskcon in india or anywhere else has never belittled the Gods & Goddesses. Im not sure where u r getting this from. Ofcourse u have 2 realize that in vedic culture there is only 1 God & thats Lord Krsna who comes in various Visnu tattva forms. The rest r demigods or devi and devatas & r servents of Lord Krsna/Vishnu etc.
I disagree that iskcon is very unpopular in india as since I have been 2 india & studied there,most people love iskcon except those who havent studied properly.
haridham 3 years ago
ZEUSPITAR and RKAN10 and THEGIFT108 - what are your thoughts on this ?
Haribol100 3 years ago
I agree with hardham, he is great with knoledge. He is and iskcon is doing great work. Nimbark acharya and others also agree that Krishna is supreem bhagvan.
thegift108 3 years ago
There is no point arguing with you, I have realised"
That is a good realization. One cannot get proper understanding and come to the proper conclusion by simply arguing. One has to have the mercy of Guru and Krsna.
Tarko apratistha("Simply by arguing you cannot come to the right conclusion.")
haridham 3 years ago
yasya deve para bhaktir
yatha-deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah
prakasante mahatmanah
(Svetasvatara Upanisad - 6/23)
"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord and the spiritual master are all the imports of Vedic knowledge automatically revealed"
haridham 3 years ago