generator running on hho testing Pt.9

[lightlearner]

so i can run a generator on nothing but hydrogen?

[d3adp001]

@lightlearner yes you can run a generator on hydrogen, but the power produced will not make enough hydrogen to run itself, you have to use power from some other source.

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[walkertongdee]

interesting it is fantasmagorical!

[d3adp001]

@walkertongdee um, ok. did you get that word from Mary Poppins.

[dalehenderson]

@terrymccurter Thats right I was there and seen it.

[terrymccurter]

Hello just saw your video Nice job. i have done similar tests would be interested in working with your ebn group or what ever you call it , as it seems we are all doing much of the same work. vidoo9 you are mistaken I ran my gen on hho while running the cell off the gen then ran lights also. my cell was pulling 10 amps while my gen was putting out 20 amps at full throttle . I also can control idle to full throttle with a variac at the same time. No timing modifications

[d3adp001]

@terrymccurter well I would like to see a video of that, why dont you upload it when you get a chance. That would be very cool to see.

[walkertongdee]

@terrymccurter Well, perhaps or around the world in 80 days...

By the way, since you got things figgured out what do you think about stainless plates and hexavalient chrominum contamination. Is there a way to avoid contaminating?

[vid009]

Nice work guys . . .However, by experience, you will never be able to run on HHO to get the Genset to put out more than your consuming to produce the HHO in the first place for various reasons. The good news is, you will get out more if running on near Pure HH but it's still near impossible to produce enough HH on demand without storing it first . . . . . Food for thought boys ! keep up the great work and let's all crack thing and send big oil down with the Valdez.

[bezdesam]

what tha fu wrong with the sound??

[d3adp001]

@bezdesam ? sounds fine to me, I can hear the engine running and me talking just fine. maybe check master volume controls? not sure

[fastback861]

Crankcase vacuum is generated when the piston goes up and the reed valve built into the crankcase breather system. It has nothing to do with the breather hose on the valve cover being connected to the air box. That's only to draw the crankcase fumes into the engine to burn them instead of venting them directly into the atmosphere.

[d3adp001]

PCV, POSITIVE CRANKCASE VENTILATION, it is when engie vaccum is applied to the crankcase, the purpose it to lower the pressure to reduce the air that the priston slams into when going down, and to remove both fuel and oil vapors from the system. The piston going and down does not create vaccum, and there is reed valves in two strokes not 4.

[fastback86]

There is a reed valve or one way valve in the crankcase of a SMALL 4 stroke engine, like the one on your generator. I've been a small engine tech for the last 15 years. I'm only trying to help you. When the piston goes down there is pressure created in the crankcase.

[fastback86]

(continued from below)This pressure is vented to the atmosphere (or back into the airbox before the throttle plate). When the piston travels back up it creates a vacuum in the crankcase because the reed valve closes. The crankcase ventilation system on most single cylinder 4 strokes is slightly different than the pcv system most autos use. By the way, not all 2 strokes have reed valves.

[d3adp001]

Well in that case then share with me the part number, the service life, and the filter type that would be used to filter the incoming air.

Also, with the exception of an oiled crank 2stroke, I would love to know of another non reed valved 2 stroke.

Help is great, but I fail to see how your helping? Or what your trying to help with?

[fastback86]

I was just trying to give you more insight on how a small 4 stroke engine works, that's all. I wasn't criticizing you or anything.

Any current 2 cycle engine(chainsaw, line trimmer, cut saw, blower) from Stihl does not use a reed valve.

Part number for what filter? Air intake filter?

[d3adp001]

yes they use basically a slide valve, aka the piston and port. Not a reed, but would be better if they had em.

If you are sucking air into the crank from outside through a reed valve, then it would have a filter on it.

[capacitiveleak]

I'm just gettin started in all of this... I thought the engine should have some water drops from the exhaust or does that take a lot more run time to produce?

[d3adp001]

there really isnt enough water to condense, sure on a larger engine, or maybe with a large load, and increased amount of hho, then sure.

If I put a piece of copper tubing on the exhaust I could "distill" the water back out.

[blft]

10/10 keep up the good work

[d3adp001]

thanks, eventually will continue with a few things.

[Mike2008and2008]

Cool!!

[spaceshipearth999]

people should work on hho storage

[d3adp001]

why its stored as water

[crapkillerz]

the energy isnt stored as water... it takes energy to take water and make HHO...

[d3adp001]

You didnt say store the energy you said store the hho, I would prefer to store it as water. I would like to store energy as hydrogen.

Yes I am being a smart ass, its my nature.

Membranes are expensive to separate H and O, cell designs have, and are being worked out.

[dylanthorner]

:>coool

[USERX15]

amazing

[capchassuck]

running a little ruff did you try different air fuel ratios it sometimes it helps good job 5*

[commando7144]

if you could run the exhaust to the intake and put the tube with a check valve wouldnt the engine recycle whats not used? there isnt a need for air correct?

[d3adp001]

yes

[atomicnumber15]

why you don't see many bedini pulse motors on hho setups is because the bedini is turning the amps in into high voltage spikes with barely any amperage out. hho setups require many more amps that the bedini can provide.

[d3adp001]

well the real reason is that I have never seen anyone prove that a bendini does anything other than transform volts and amps. I haven't seen real proof of excess energy out.

[crowmagg]

hummmm lets see 100? watts produced by the generator and 2000 watts to run the water seperator i see where this is going

[d3adp001]

really where is it going?

[1freedomfighter1]

your cell will become way more efficent by always leaving a negative hooked up to a battery, it drains electrons and creates monatomic ions that have semi superconducting propeties as well as converts the water into HHO held stable in the water. I doubled my fuel milage from running a negativly charged fuel cell. pm me if you want more info.

great work.

[1freedomfighter1]

awesome

[GamerGnome]

d3adp001,can you increase the efficiency by directly injecting the hydrogen gas into the combustion chamber instead of losing some into the atmosphere?

[d3adp001]

if there was an injector that could keep up with the rpm of the engine, and withstand the enviroment, then yes almost certainly, but there is a way around that and to get the same effect.

[cricketol]

what if u would use like a modded car injecting concept ? or drill a hole so u can plum closer to the intake valve ?

[d3adp001]

could, but it would take a special high speed injector, there is an easier way we are working on, it just takes a little time.

[cricketol]

ok cool im thinking of going just strate to the car .. use an ecu piggyback and try to run the hho thrue the rail system idk it it would work but it would be cool if it did :P

[teh770]

You can try a plate to seal the intake and mount 2 checkvalves backwards so when it wants fuel and air they will open and let air and fuel in. This will stop your HHO lose. You may need to control the amount of air going in.

[excell4God]

Excellent! Retard the ignition.

Blessings

[bulldogge1232000]

Great work, It looked like 6 seconds/495cc = About 5L/min. About what is the idle speed, vs full load speed?

Spike

[d3adp001]

my darned no contact tach died, new one coming, est. rpm 6-800, full load unknown, hope to lock that down soon, just ticks me off when tools break.

[billmusarra]

timing needsto be retarded. With current time, it burns BTDC and works against the pistons movement. Srawofni did 9 engine fundamentals videos on Roy McAllister work. Look at #4. I think it will help. Yes he is working with pure H2. But the fundamentals are pretty much the same?? How about steam or ultrasonic with the HHO?

[d3adp001]

Timing may need to be altered a small bit, but the flame spread of hho mixed in normal air is much slower than pure hho. And mcallister tries to make thing way overly complicated to sound intelligent, imho. I watched many vids with him. HHo seems to be similar to H2 but not the same exactly. further tests will show the differences. Steam and hho is definitly on the list of tests, ultra sonics will help with the steam. more is deffinately on the way.

[shamansays]

This is the type of accomplishment that warrants 5 stars.Great work,

[richgreenshow]

Here's something to try: If my understanding of hho is correct the 2 parts H and the one part O is the ideal mix for combustion, then you should be able to connect the HHO hose directly to the carb inlet and not allow any out side air in and it should run????

Something interesting to try: Yes-No

[d3adp001]

It would run, theres no doubt about it, but theres a few things to know. 1 is the amount of hho to 100% feed an engine is a lot, around 5 times as much as I am feeding this engine. 2 you actually transfer more energy to a piston with a 20% mix of hho and 80% normal air. Yes I know it sounds stupid, but its true, the hho combustion is too fast to transfer energy to a piston, the momentum of the piston mass can't receive the energy.

[d3adp001]

hho burns into 100* steam, and its volume is 86% of the original hho. When exploded it builds pressure and then comtracts back down to about its original volume, this would mean the piston would begin to move at detonation, but before the piston moved much the steam would form and it would apply a slight vacuum on the piston, slowing its movement. Now with proper timing the event could take place at TDC or just after TDC, and it could be tuned so the vacuum helped pull the piston back up

[d3adp001]

The only hitch with that is this, hho can transfer its energy better into inert ambient air better and it slows the combustion down to a speed that its energy can be better transfered to the piston. Which among other reasons is why more energy is apparent with a mix, instead of pure. Plus the air helps carry the steam out of the engine.

[Leftwings22]

Dont worry about it being interesting watching an engine idle... This is what we watch when we watch fish grow!

Great work and data bro. Cant wait to see SSCs response to this.

Did I hear correctly that both your guys gen sets are the same?

[SmartScarecrow]

yeah, D3 and I both have the exact same generator to play with ... frankly, we were looking for an inexpensive sacrificial engine that we could both get in the same model so we could trade of each other's experience with them ... but the little generator turned out to be less expensive than just an engine ... go figure !?!?!?!

anyway, he's got me right now, but I got a few new tricks up my sleve that should put him to shame in the next video sequence ... we shall see ...

[pat1huey]

Kinda leaving us on a cliffhanger here. I was hoping to see the hho power the lights. Who's next, you or crow...:)

[d3adp001]

crow needs a return volley, maybe when he cleans up his cell, he could do a 9lpm run with a load? poke poke. My next step should be a quantum leap, if I do it right. And after that warp drive.

[magneticjem]

Nice work, have you attempted to draw any power from the generator to see how much you can produce without pulling the engine down. 5 stars to ya' john

[d3adp001]

At idle it wouldn't really produce much power, but idle gives a start point of the amount needed to get this started, 4lpm for 87cc engine, thats hard numbers, and the first time I have ever seen it posted, with that any engine should be able to be scaled off the ratios, with a certain amount of error correction. 5000cc engine(5.0L)=229.9LPM hho, at this pethetically incorrect engine design. This is like running a flathead on nitromethanol, just stupid, but mores is to come

[lutherp40]

You should consider installing a LPG conversion kit with low pressure regulator and feed the HHO gas through the regulator.

[d3adp001]

Thought about it on the first hho engine, but lpg is only 5% or total mix, and this is 20% of total mix, I could find one with that kind of adjustment. We'll have to make something, or maybe just skip that step and go for the real fun stuff :)

[SmartScarecrow]

Oh, its pretty interesting to me. Well, glad to see you FINALLY got it to run. Even it is only at idle ...

Now that you have shown me how, I think I may be able to improve somewhat on my method. Think I got a few new wrinkels to try.

Dont get too comfortable in that cat bird seat you're making a butt groove in. There's always someone out there just about ready to knock you out of it. hehehe ...

[d3adp001]

please, kick me right out, that way I get to learn from you, and then kick you out :)

[InstallGuys]

If i'm right, thats about 4.2-4.5 Lpm...fantastic demonstration.

Keep up the GREAT work, guys.

Steve

[kikn79]

Great Job!!! EBN is changing the world as we speak. Its like watching history in the making!!

[KyHighlander59]

Man I can't wait to see you guys get your minor, very minor, bugs worked out. Keep your eyes peeled for armed guys on camels cause your about to get into their pockets.

[red05hemi]

Hugely significant!

Keep up the important work!

OUr most plentiful resource is water.

This is the answer to our oil addiction.

the way to get it done is just what you are doing! 500*

[dlwammo]

So that's what you R&D guys have been up to... Hehehehe

Nice work D3, you too SSC. Like RC said, you know the Crow is already out there crankin' on the genny.

[shimoda18]

thats a great job, as been said before, the whole is larger than the sum of its parts.

first HHO hot start here on you tube...

[d3adp001]

ya buddy, this is getting fun,

[d3adp001]

well one of the other old boys at ebn needs to get me some burn rate data for hho mixed with normal air, it should slow the burn down, but we need to have the test device intergrated with a computer to record the event. poke Allgood, as if that guy doesn't have enough to do already:)

[m3sca1]

dont mix air with it-meyer said mix exhaust gas with it.

or try some welding gas.

a model nitro engine has a nice small adustable bleed valve that should be good for mixing gases.

5 *'s from me

[vancecook7]

Timing change will help as well. Hydrogen burns 4x as fast as fuel, so lagging the spark if at all possible should help.

[newagemotor]

Very cool, a controlled start on 100% HHO ! You are doing great. Don't worry about overunity. It sounds like the engine needs a direct combustion chamber injection port, to eliminate the HHO loss. Check valve combustion chamber pressure and make it reliable, and you will be the winner of the race. No carb needed, only flow rate change the volume of HHO.

[d3adp001]

ohh there is a much simpler method to take care of the leaks, its really gonna blow your head when you see it, direct injection technology is a bit on the fringe, and out of my price range, but... working on it as fast as I can.

[rc9340]

Great job D3, I have a feeling that SSC will have a response in the near future....er I know he will! EBN R/D as always....Outstanding.