Not bad mechanics but as with most things there is room for improvement.. A tip from a veterinarian and baseball coach friend "start with the feet and work up when observing" In this video the player does not get his chin over the ball of his pivot foot when he comes to a point of balance. He is leaning forward prior to the hands breaking. Therefore his foot lands before his arm is ready. But it is just an opinion take it with a grain of salt.
@wits1end0 not a big believre in teaching balance point which kills tempo..the fact that he IS leaning forward before his hands break is proof he uses a lower load and isnt an arm thrower..grain taken
@flakflak it's not my own conventional wisdom I've had instruction from Doug Creek , 15 years pro. through that man i got to know Greg Maddox , guess what he stated , the same thing , ball of their foot . there are a select few who are good enough to open there hips like that and not get extension and still throw accurately with full velocity . it's proven . I've also spoken with 8 other professional pitchers and every single one said the same thing , along with the pitching coach for Tampa bay
Sure it does. Research shows that the vast majority of elbow issues start with shoulder tightness, weakness, imbalance, or other damage. The elbow is the weak link and generally gives out.
Take a look at what happened to Strasburg. I noticed he complained about shoulder tenderness far before the UCL problem.
Watching a pitcher's external rotation through high speed video is a good tell-tale sign that tightness is progressing and should be looked after.
@kennylala25 Your not totally off with this remark... Watch his arm angle and how it comes back and never really gets up... That can put lots of strain on that elbow. Maybe another things to fix would be his landing, lands on his heel, needs to land on balls of feet. Minor flaws and very correctable.
@SimpleStuff31 and maybe some do, but if you look at the pitching greats and the pitchers who throw 95mph and up none land heel first because of what I said previously.
actually, in Randy Johnson's book 'Power Pitching', Randy reminds constantly Nolan's Ryan's advice that changed his career and made him the pitcher he was. the advice was "land with the ball of your foot."
@SimpleStuff31 actually they don't. it opens there hips, throws off balance and reduces velocity. once again it looks as if they are landing heel toe but they aren't they land on the ball of their foot.
bergywergy you are without a doubt the most ignorant person ever . you should never critique someone and tell others they are incorrect when indeed you are the one who is wrong . the pros do not land heel toe . they land on the ball of there foot a 45 degree angle . then when they follow through and get extension the foot rotates towards the plate . slow down videos and watch . I'm sorry you were given the wrong information educate yourself on the topic please . i was taught by pros and have fr
whats funny is that everyone commenting here is saying opposite things. some are saying its bad for his elbow to be high; some are saying its bad for his elbow to be low. i think everyone should chill out and stop spouting information. if you want to learn good (fast, accurate, helathy) mechanics, learn NPA certified mechanics. its backed up by science and its what pros are and have always been using even if they dont realize it.
i bet a lot of you are voicing opinions without the background or knowledge to back them up. these are actually pretty good mechanics, the height of the elbow doesnt matter until the foot hits and the arm starts moving forward. only drastic change i would make is get the front side up higher, it leads to better deception and more velo if you can have your glove up and be looking over that front shoulder while driving in, then open the hips and finally top half. great stride and pos. at release.
@GETitYAdig42 exactly, his arm isnt ready to throw when his foot lands, however taking his elbow that high like that is terrible, inverted L is bad, it stresses the labrum and overloads the elbow and shoulder. his hip shoulder separation isnt good tho, he actually has a lot of wasted energy.
his elbow is WAY TO HIGH, look at maddux and halladay and oswalt, they have arm actions where the ball kinda picks up the elbow, look at the guy in the video and prior and carpenter and wainwright, they make inverted Ls or inverted Vs and they get injured constantly, why would you teach a pitcher to do this?
anyone saying he has bad leg mechanics are out of their mind. He lands heel toe like all good major league pitchers, he gets over his front leg and maintains balance by dragging that back leg. His arm action is the only thing that is a little bit fault as I think his elbow might get a little bit to high before his front foot lands.
Looks like a similar Mark Prior .... very nice. Looks at @ .41 to 1.06 his elbow is a little high. Many pitchers have a high elbow and some are lower. I hope the high elbow is not the reason Prior lasted only a few seasons. I thought he was going to be in the Hall of fame !! Good luck !!!
Should have been in the Hall. The collision with Giles started his struggles. He landed on his shoulder. Couldn't work on the strength for a long time. Cubs hurried him back.
Get's hit with a line-drive in the forearm. Again, rushed back by the Cubs.
Who cares if he uses the inverted w. Let him go as far as he can with it because it is what will allow him to throw hard. He might get injured at some point, but everyone risks injurt to a certain degree. If he stops the inverted w he will probably be much worse and won't have any chance at all to play at a higher level. If he does get injured at least he got to experience something.
Don't get what you are talking about. His timing is very good in this video clip. His elbows are at equal and opposite when the front foot hits. Very good timing.
no tim's mechanichs are what hel him throw 95-100 mph...and these aare actually realy good mechanichs on the video, i would just suggest keeping the elbo at or below shoulder level
Tim's mechanics are a part of it. Tim is extremely flexible and strong in the joints....not to mention the fast-twitch muscles he has. A very gifted athlete.
Mark Prior's injuries weren't because of mechanics. It was a lot of things. A collision with Giles, being rushed back too soon, the Cubs trying to change his delivery, getting hit with a line-drive in his throwing arm, not being able to get his strength back before they rushed him back to service......
No mechanics could keep up with those series of events.
I'm not sure why pitchers are being taught to throw from the opposite side of the rubber. I can tell you that right handed hitters facing this guy would see the ball better. You lose your angle advantage. Not to mention a tendency to throw accross your body a la Prior.
Hitters don't see the ball till release point. Very good deception. From this angle on the rubber, he can take advantage of the angle to the plate and his sinking fastball.
right handers and vice versa for left. If the hitter doesn't see the ball till release the angle behind him is much harder to pick up than away from him. As for taking advantage of his sinker, again his angle isn't that much of an advantage.
Most of location on the rubber has to do with how your body works.
Drag line should exit down the imaginay center line. This drag line works as a keel or rudder on the boat. It tells us a lot.
In terms of angle to the plate, is sure does have a lot to do with exiting the rear of the plate versus cutting off the corner. Hitters pound the ball if it has the path exiting the rear of the plate.
I'll do a video tip on this. Thanks Super for talking about it.
Nice mechanics, the only flaw I could see in there is the timing is a bit off, but hey, nothing is perfect. Just work on the timing a little bit more as your arm is a bit behind, and you will be set.
yeah, i like this delivery... good delayed shoulder rotation, release out front, good linear momentum (judging from long stride) are stuff that i like. i would like him to lead with his hips more though
jesus christ your stride is way too long i know that its good to have a long stride but if ur not turning ur hips completely like i saw in your throw it'll take off some velocity.
How can a stride be too long?Majoe league average is between 85 and 110 percent of body height. This players stride length is about 110 percent. It's what makes his delivery very deceptive. Take a look at Nolan Ryan's stride... and Greg Maddux. Take a look at his hip and shoulder rotation. I don't know that we are talking about the same delivery. This player has outstanding hip and shoulder separation.
A stride can be too long when you're not getting enough turn in your hips. Look at how your back foot is dragging at 1:06 practically forcing you to use most of your arm to throw. Get a radar gun and use the same mechanics hot shot.
There are significant problems with balance. The arm is slow to catch up w/ the lower half of the body, and this causes a loss in velocity as the pitcher follows through his motion. Delivery can be shortened. Suggestion: Try to get throwing arm in upright throwing position at the time the leg lands, or shortly after. This way, the entire energy is going toward the catcher, vs. front half going first, with the arm catching up. ---Mechanics learned at #1 D.3 baseball school in the nation...
if a kid could learn these, then add his own arm strength, body strength,mental conditoning,and a little luck,over time theres no telling how good he could be.
initial position is inverted. relax and allow yourself to get into a situation where your core area (hips) is out before the top side. it is like a javlin thrower type position. front foot stays off the ground this way in order to allow your arm to get into a better position upon landing. at the time of front foot contact your throwing elbow has to be even or slightly above your throwing shoulder. good luck...
u guys can use as many of ur theories and ur fancy lingo as you want, but hes a kid that does nothing for him. as for the kid in the video... slow ur motion down and focus on keeping ur weight over ur back leg and staying tall, ur stride is too long but that is only because u need to give ur arm more time to catch up since you are going to the plate so fast, if you stay back ur arm will catch up and have more whip...an easy 5+ mph for a kid like you. Stay back and stay tall with ur upper body
As others have said, this is a common delivery flaw that I like to call "pitching arm float." The elbow "floats" high above the shoulder line before force is applied, which causes two timing problems: Hyperabduction and late forearm turnover.
Still, it's not the *worst* delivery ever captured on film. All pitchers have mechanical flaws that need to be worked on.
to whomever this kid is: when something is posted on here, it is always going to receive criticism. please take everything with a grain of salt, as we can always adjust and improve. however, your delivery is not anywhere near the worst i've seen. take what works for you and forget the rest.
@BioForceBB hahaha it's funny how people get on here just to bash right? i am also a college pitcher and have a dad and uncle who pitched in the major leagues and honestly watching this there are a few things i would like to mimic that i see in this kid. i.e. his stride and angle of his top half at release. He is very directional and i can see from this he gets a lot out of his body. not much wasted energy
looks to be max effort....very long stride - almost too long. Front knee swings open a bit early and lands on front heel. Strong left arm and decent finish
This is a standard "breaking the hands with the elbows" and Inverted V arm action. It clearly causes a timing problem where the shoulders start rotating before the PAS forearm is vertical and will lead to elbow and shoulder problems. Anyone who thinks that this is good shouldn't be teaching kids.
Thanks for the reply Chris. Actually Ryan's arm action was very similar. I'll work on putting something up to show the similarities. The challenge for this pitcher is the spine angle. He could have a little more tilt backwards to help with his stacking at release point. That will also help keep his torque a bit longer. Again, thanks for the reply. Coach Bill
Actually this is quite good. No one here knows what they are talking about. Good stride, balance, equal and opposite, stabalized, release in front of stride foot, etc. Better than most here on youtube. Keep working at it.
What do you know about his arm and shoulder strength. In hyperabduct, I believe you mean external rotation of the arm? External rotation is actually a good thing, it shows that the shoulder is healthy.
boy does he get a great jump toward the plate,very athletic kid
wogdoggy 4 months ago
Not bad mechanics but as with most things there is room for improvement.. A tip from a veterinarian and baseball coach friend "start with the feet and work up when observing" In this video the player does not get his chin over the ball of his pivot foot when he comes to a point of balance. He is leaning forward prior to the hands breaking. Therefore his foot lands before his arm is ready. But it is just an opinion take it with a grain of salt.
wits1end0 6 months ago
@wits1end0 not a big believre in teaching balance point which kills tempo..the fact that he IS leaning forward before his hands break is proof he uses a lower load and isnt an arm thrower..grain taken
wogdoggy 4 months ago
has he been injured yet ?
SharkAttackProd 7 months ago
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SharkAttackProd 10 months ago
@flakflak it's not my own conventional wisdom I've had instruction from Doug Creek , 15 years pro. through that man i got to know Greg Maddox , guess what he stated , the same thing , ball of their foot . there are a select few who are good enough to open there hips like that and not get extension and still throw accurately with full velocity . it's proven . I've also spoken with 8 other professional pitchers and every single one said the same thing , along with the pitching coach for Tampa bay
evcamonchris 1 year ago
@evcamonchris well i guess maddux lied, i looked at some high speed vid, he lands heel toe.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
i smell tommy john
kennylala25 1 year ago 5
@kennylala25
Why? His shoulder is very strong and balanced. Has great flexibility. And he manages his workloads.
Those are the primary factors in TJ.
BioForceBB 1 year ago
@BioForceBB
tommy john has nothing to do with the shoulder...its the UCL ligament in the elbow.
myherofguitar 1 year ago
@myherofguitar
Sure it does. Research shows that the vast majority of elbow issues start with shoulder tightness, weakness, imbalance, or other damage. The elbow is the weak link and generally gives out.
Take a look at what happened to Strasburg. I noticed he complained about shoulder tenderness far before the UCL problem.
Watching a pitcher's external rotation through high speed video is a good tell-tale sign that tightness is progressing and should be looked after.
BioForceBB 1 year ago
@kennylala25 Your not totally off with this remark... Watch his arm angle and how it comes back and never really gets up... That can put lots of strain on that elbow. Maybe another things to fix would be his landing, lands on his heel, needs to land on balls of feet. Minor flaws and very correctable.
MrCjval09 1 year ago
@SimpleStuff31 and maybe some do, but if you look at the pitching greats and the pitchers who throw 95mph and up none land heel first because of what I said previously.
evcamonchris 1 year ago
@evcamonchris lincecum lands hell toe, just about every pitcher lands heel toe.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
@evcamonchris Nolan Ryan was heal to toe. Actually was on the side of his foot.
BioForceBB 1 year ago
@BioForceBB No, he wasn't.
actually, in Randy Johnson's book 'Power Pitching', Randy reminds constantly Nolan's Ryan's advice that changed his career and made him the pitcher he was. the advice was "land with the ball of your foot."
Mirageil 5 months ago
@SimpleStuff31 actually they don't. it opens there hips, throws off balance and reduces velocity. once again it looks as if they are landing heel toe but they aren't they land on the ball of their foot.
evcamonchris 1 year ago
@evcamonchris They dont all land on the ball of their foot... I guarantee it.
Do your research before you start posting here and don't go off of your own conventional wisdom.
flakflak 1 year ago
bergywergy you are without a doubt the most ignorant person ever . you should never critique someone and tell others they are incorrect when indeed you are the one who is wrong . the pros do not land heel toe . they land on the ball of there foot a 45 degree angle . then when they follow through and get extension the foot rotates towards the plate . slow down videos and watch . I'm sorry you were given the wrong information educate yourself on the topic please . i was taught by pros and have fr
evcamonchris 1 year ago
@evcamonchris actually alot of them land heel toe.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
@KitKatJunkie yea but the elbow should never at any point be over the shoulders.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
@KitKatJunkie too low?! its too high, it almost touches his head.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
whats funny is that everyone commenting here is saying opposite things. some are saying its bad for his elbow to be high; some are saying its bad for his elbow to be low. i think everyone should chill out and stop spouting information. if you want to learn good (fast, accurate, helathy) mechanics, learn NPA certified mechanics. its backed up by science and its what pros are and have always been using even if they dont realize it.
thats all.
soupdogg13 1 year ago
i bet a lot of you are voicing opinions without the background or knowledge to back them up. these are actually pretty good mechanics, the height of the elbow doesnt matter until the foot hits and the arm starts moving forward. only drastic change i would make is get the front side up higher, it leads to better deception and more velo if you can have your glove up and be looking over that front shoulder while driving in, then open the hips and finally top half. great stride and pos. at release.
GETitYAdig42 1 year ago
@GETitYAdig42 exactly, his arm isnt ready to throw when his foot lands, however taking his elbow that high like that is terrible, inverted L is bad, it stresses the labrum and overloads the elbow and shoulder. his hip shoulder separation isnt good tho, he actually has a lot of wasted energy.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
his elbow is WAY TO HIGH, look at maddux and halladay and oswalt, they have arm actions where the ball kinda picks up the elbow, look at the guy in the video and prior and carpenter and wainwright, they make inverted Ls or inverted Vs and they get injured constantly, why would you teach a pitcher to do this?
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
not good mechanics
djusbox 1 year ago
its crazy how litle people know about pitching mechanichs these days
redsjack3 1 year ago
0:44 Inverted W Not good for the joints
CsCHitman 1 year ago
You have a good camera!!!!
kenmarz1 1 year ago
nice stride man.......thats what i like to see these kids taking them long strides...alot of kids dont stride that far...well done
weatherbyboy3006 2 years ago
anyone saying he has bad leg mechanics are out of their mind. He lands heel toe like all good major league pitchers, he gets over his front leg and maintains balance by dragging that back leg. His arm action is the only thing that is a little bit fault as I think his elbow might get a little bit to high before his front foot lands.
Bergywergy 2 years ago
actually you dont want your heel to land first and his elbow that high. blown shoulder in 5 years max.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
Looks like a similar Mark Prior .... very nice. Looks at @ .41 to 1.06 his elbow is a little high. Many pitchers have a high elbow and some are lower. I hope the high elbow is not the reason Prior lasted only a few seasons. I thought he was going to be in the Hall of fame !! Good luck !!!
coachmike4 2 years ago
Should have been in the Hall. The collision with Giles started his struggles. He landed on his shoulder. Couldn't work on the strength for a long time. Cubs hurried him back.
Get's hit with a line-drive in the forearm. Again, rushed back by the Cubs.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
his elbow is the reason his mechanics(prior) are terrible.
SimpleStuff31 1 year ago
Who cares if he uses the inverted w. Let him go as far as he can with it because it is what will allow him to throw hard. He might get injured at some point, but everyone risks injurt to a certain degree. If he stops the inverted w he will probably be much worse and won't have any chance at all to play at a higher level. If he does get injured at least he got to experience something.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
Agreed. There is no such thing as perfect arm action.
Injuries are based on inefficient sequencing, improper or no conditioning, lack of recovery time, and genetics.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
hes bringing his weight forward way too soon, and is swinging his leg outward as he comes down, not good.
mg3294 2 years ago
Don't get what you are talking about. His timing is very good in this video clip. His elbows are at equal and opposite when the front foot hits. Very good timing.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
no tim's mechanichs are what hel him throw 95-100 mph...and these aare actually realy good mechanichs on the video, i would just suggest keeping the elbo at or below shoulder level
redsjack3 2 years ago
Tim's mechanics are a part of it. Tim is extremely flexible and strong in the joints....not to mention the fast-twitch muscles he has. A very gifted athlete.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
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tonyjh34 2 years ago
at 40 seconds ur putting a lot of stress on your elbow.. mark prior
jarredandco 2 years ago
Mark Prior's injuries weren't because of mechanics. It was a lot of things. A collision with Giles, being rushed back too soon, the Cubs trying to change his delivery, getting hit with a line-drive in his throwing arm, not being able to get his strength back before they rushed him back to service......
No mechanics could keep up with those series of events.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
I'm not sure why pitchers are being taught to throw from the opposite side of the rubber. I can tell you that right handed hitters facing this guy would see the ball better. You lose your angle advantage. Not to mention a tendency to throw accross your body a la Prior.
SuperTM16 2 years ago
Don't see what you are talking about.
Hitters don't see the ball till release point. Very good deception. From this angle on the rubber, he can take advantage of the angle to the plate and his sinking fastball.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
right handers and vice versa for left. If the hitter doesn't see the ball till release the angle behind him is much harder to pick up than away from him. As for taking advantage of his sinker, again his angle isn't that much of an advantage.
SuperTM16 2 years ago
Most of location on the rubber has to do with how your body works.
Drag line should exit down the imaginay center line. This drag line works as a keel or rudder on the boat. It tells us a lot.
In terms of angle to the plate, is sure does have a lot to do with exiting the rear of the plate versus cutting off the corner. Hitters pound the ball if it has the path exiting the rear of the plate.
I'll do a video tip on this. Thanks Super for talking about it.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
great stride man
keep the arm flush behind ur back and crank that glove side
tet63rr 2 years ago
Agreed with the stride. We don't want to pull the glove, but actually go to it.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
Its like looking at mark prior
tsk tsk
dont make that M dont bring your elbow above tour shoulder it puts more stress on your shoulder
SimpleStuff31 2 years ago
Not really. Height of arm is perfectly fine.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
no you dont want the elbow above the shoulder.
SimpleStuff31 2 years ago
it was kinda hard to tell in slow blurry motion but he seems to have a good motion.
robert1191 2 years ago
Nice mechanics, the only flaw I could see in there is the timing is a bit off, but hey, nothing is perfect. Just work on the timing a little bit more as your arm is a bit behind, and you will be set.
lNoxtam 2 years ago
isn't his release point a little bit low?
Iverson1232 2 years ago 2
Release point is a function of posture. His release point is well out in front of his face, very good for deception and late movement.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
yeah, i like this delivery... good delayed shoulder rotation, release out front, good linear momentum (judging from long stride) are stuff that i like. i would like him to lead with his hips more though
smkim10 2 years ago
jesus christ your stride is way too long i know that its good to have a long stride but if ur not turning ur hips completely like i saw in your throw it'll take off some velocity.
DiamondDaleMcPherson 2 years ago
How can a stride be too long?Majoe league average is between 85 and 110 percent of body height. This players stride length is about 110 percent. It's what makes his delivery very deceptive. Take a look at Nolan Ryan's stride... and Greg Maddux. Take a look at his hip and shoulder rotation. I don't know that we are talking about the same delivery. This player has outstanding hip and shoulder separation.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
A stride can be too long when you're not getting enough turn in your hips. Look at how your back foot is dragging at 1:06 practically forcing you to use most of your arm to throw. Get a radar gun and use the same mechanics hot shot.
DiamondDaleMcPherson 2 years ago
So Tim Lincecum's really really long stride (and dragging back foot) really takes away from his velocity too im guessing??
BioForceBB 2 years ago
no thats what your supposed to do
but not the inverted w
SimpleStuff31 2 years ago
dang you got a very long stride to the plate! thats good in creating velocity!
tindothan 2 years ago
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fightinillini212 2 years ago
There are significant problems with balance. The arm is slow to catch up w/ the lower half of the body, and this causes a loss in velocity as the pitcher follows through his motion. Delivery can be shortened. Suggestion: Try to get throwing arm in upright throwing position at the time the leg lands, or shortly after. This way, the entire energy is going toward the catcher, vs. front half going first, with the arm catching up. ---Mechanics learned at #1 D.3 baseball school in the nation...
copyguy77 2 years ago
Copyguy77...
The arm is delayed because he has great separation at foot strike. There shouldbe some delay. His torque is outstanding.
If he tries to get his arm in an upright position at foot strike, that means his shoulders would have to already rotate. And that's a bad thing.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
these are good mechanics.
if a kid could learn these, then add his own arm strength, body strength,mental conditoning,and a little luck,over time theres no telling how good he could be.
everyones different.
good mechanics are a foundation.
aknowneemus 2 years ago
initial position is inverted. relax and allow yourself to get into a situation where your core area (hips) is out before the top side. it is like a javlin thrower type position. front foot stays off the ground this way in order to allow your arm to get into a better position upon landing. at the time of front foot contact your throwing elbow has to be even or slightly above your throwing shoulder. good luck...
brewmark 2 years ago
keep the balance point a little longer, and seperate ur hands a little earlier,
YaBoyRogerFisher4 2 years ago
u guys can use as many of ur theories and ur fancy lingo as you want, but hes a kid that does nothing for him. as for the kid in the video... slow ur motion down and focus on keeping ur weight over ur back leg and staying tall, ur stride is too long but that is only because u need to give ur arm more time to catch up since you are going to the plate so fast, if you stay back ur arm will catch up and have more whip...an easy 5+ mph for a kid like you. Stay back and stay tall with ur upper body
pgballer27 2 years ago
As others have said, this is a common delivery flaw that I like to call "pitching arm float." The elbow "floats" high above the shoulder line before force is applied, which causes two timing problems: Hyperabduction and late forearm turnover.
Still, it's not the *worst* delivery ever captured on film. All pitchers have mechanical flaws that need to be worked on.
drivelinemechanics 2 years ago 2
to whomever this kid is: when something is posted on here, it is always going to receive criticism. please take everything with a grain of salt, as we can always adjust and improve. however, your delivery is not anywhere near the worst i've seen. take what works for you and forget the rest.
TookDaddy06 3 years ago
Nice post.
Mechanics aren't nearly as bad as these guys are talking. He is now pitching in college. That puts him in the top 5 to 10 percent......
BioForceBB 2 years ago
@BioForceBB hahaha it's funny how people get on here just to bash right? i am also a college pitcher and have a dad and uncle who pitched in the major leagues and honestly watching this there are a few things i would like to mimic that i see in this kid. i.e. his stride and angle of his top half at release. He is very directional and i can see from this he gets a lot out of his body. not much wasted energy
GETitYAdig42 1 year ago
falls forward right from the beginning. also, learn to pull yourself through your front leg instead of falling "against" it.
TookDaddy06 3 years ago
looks to be max effort....very long stride - almost too long. Front knee swings open a bit early and lands on front heel. Strong left arm and decent finish
FOBrocks2429 3 years ago
Hmmm.... I repeat, Nolan Ryan should have shortened his stride? As should have Greg Maddux.... and Randy Johnson.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
This is a standard "breaking the hands with the elbows" and Inverted V arm action. It clearly causes a timing problem where the shoulders start rotating before the PAS forearm is vertical and will lead to elbow and shoulder problems. Anyone who thinks that this is good shouldn't be teaching kids.
ChrisKOLeary 3 years ago 2
Hmmm.. So Nolan Ryan should have changed his arm action?
BioForceBB 2 years ago
Nolan Ryan's arm action was significantly different than this. Most importantly, his Pitching Arm Side elbow never got that high.
ChrisKOLeary 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply Chris. Actually Ryan's arm action was very similar. I'll work on putting something up to show the similarities. The challenge for this pitcher is the spine angle. He could have a little more tilt backwards to help with his stacking at release point. That will also help keep his torque a bit longer. Again, thanks for the reply. Coach Bill
BioForceBB 2 years ago
video should be labeled "Fast track to shoulder surgery."
wags4918 3 years ago
agreed. This is terrible motion. But he is young and can work on it. Hopefully before he hurts himself. :)
tylerstomp 3 years ago
Actually he is now pitching in college. Can be labled not the fast track to surgery. Maybe "can get you to college ball".
BioForceBB 2 years ago
Video should be labeled, "Fast track to shoulder surgery."
wags4918 3 years ago
landing on your heel and your dipping your shoulder, use a shorter stride and get more on top of the ball.
dirtyc259 3 years ago
landing on heel is good. landing on toe creates early "stop" to deliver. landing on heel allows for pull through after leading foot lands.
TookDaddy06 3 years ago
How do we walk? Heel to toe. How do we jog....heel to toe. Let's get away from the foot stuff and get to what's important.
BioForceBB 2 years ago
Actually this is quite good. No one here knows what they are talking about. Good stride, balance, equal and opposite, stabalized, release in front of stride foot, etc. Better than most here on youtube. Keep working at it.
chupalambestaki 3 years ago
LOL, You are joking right? The PSA timing is way off and a shoulder injury waiting to happen.
You didnt even look at the throwing arm did you?
gameth 3 years ago
you are correct. elbow is definitely behind the shoulder, and both elbow and shoulder are behind the hip, but definitely not the worst i've seen.
TookDaddy06 3 years ago
This looks to me to be an inverted delivery. Front shoulder is below back shoulder during initial approach. This is why I call it inverted.
brewmark 3 years ago
way too much effort being put into this pitch.
paulbeckmeyer 3 years ago
thats so wrong and thats how u get hurt
ajjjh4 3 years ago 9
that's great slow motion. that obviously wasn't taped on a regular video camera.
zertbor 3 years ago
you're gonna have nasty arm problems. you hyperabduct horribly and have poor timing.
wyopride9200 3 years ago
What do you know about his arm and shoulder strength. In hyperabduct, I believe you mean external rotation of the arm? External rotation is actually a good thing, it shows that the shoulder is healthy.
BioForceBB 2 years ago