We worship God the father and Jesus the son by striving to be like him, and applying the basic essence of his teachings in our own life, all while trying to lead others to do the same. Sitting in an armchair analyzing biblical text and memorizing facts about Christ is a nice academic exercise, but it does very little in terms of advancing his kingdom here on earth. Horton should come down from his academic thorn and go actually do something to make someones life better rather than criticizing.
Of course it's easy for a gluttonous academic who has a comfy life to sit back in his arm chair and criticize and label people as "false" Christians, this is nothing new, but there ideal of academic Christianity is a form of Christianity which is completely detached from the well being of humans beings. Jesus called for us to follow in his footsteps, not to memorize facts about his life and the bible to impress our academic Christian friends.
Another theologian who doesn't get it. People in this world still go through real struggle, hardship, and disappointment. Christianity is not suppose to be some academic endeavor in which a member memorizes facts about the bible and Jesus' life. It is indeed suppose to bring comfort and solace in times of difficulty by helping believers find joy in suffering by understanding that Christ went through an even greater suffering. (Continued)
@Strefanasha The Deist term is probably there for shock value mostly. Also most synergistic systems degrade into practical deism in which the human work becomes the focus and not Christ's work on the cross.
a TERRIBLE indictment on the state of even the evangelical churches. No wonder I am met with blind incomprehension when i speak of His grace of discussion forums: it is either this or pharisaic legalism.
How can a person avoid these? either the manifest grace of God, or it will never genuinely happen. trying by resolve to think spiritually is dangerous legalism in its own right
• All human beings are created equal under God, with the same natural rights.
Deism advocates moderation, reason, freethinking, respect (racial, social, and religious), self-reliance, and the inherent equality of all human beings.
@DeismTV That's mere deism... which is kind of funny considering Christians believe not only the former, but that God also holds all pieces in place at the same time, so that nothing happens outside of God's divine providence.
Now you can cry about that being "unfair" all you want, but you are clay and God molded you. Not a single spring nor a single cog in your being that has not been set up from the beginning, even to now, for His purpose.
• The order and complexity of nature and the universe make God self-evident.
• God’s full nature is incomprehensible due to limitations of the human mind and language.
• God gave humanity reason and conscience so we could develop our own moral and ethical principles.
• Human beings should be free to find, know, and worship God in their own way. All views of God should be respected, so long as they do not cause harm or oppress the views of others.
@DeismTV Deism by no means does any of those things. If I set all the cogs and springs in my watch then no other outcome will happen than which I had originally set forth from the beginning. If I know how all outcomes will be throughout all time then I will simply adjust each spring as needed. Nothing comes that is not already expected, and if God created you then each "free" action you make is simply a reaction to all actions made by the deity.
@MRKetter81 All of this assumes an interventionist Deity, which the overwhelming majority of Deists do not conclude. There is no evidence of God adjusting the "springs." I do not deny the possibility, but I don't see any proof either.
His conclusion should have been entitled Moralistic-Therapeutic-Theism. That would have been a more intellectually honest presentation. Deists do not follow holy books or revelation, let alone Christ as a savior figure. In Episode 8 of DeismTV, I explain what Deism really means. I will paste in some comments below with the "core beliefs" of Deism.
We worship God the father and Jesus the son by striving to be like him, and applying the basic essence of his teachings in our own life, all while trying to lead others to do the same. Sitting in an armchair analyzing biblical text and memorizing facts about Christ is a nice academic exercise, but it does very little in terms of advancing his kingdom here on earth. Horton should come down from his academic thorn and go actually do something to make someones life better rather than criticizing.
spammyadvertising 1 month ago
Of course it's easy for a gluttonous academic who has a comfy life to sit back in his arm chair and criticize and label people as "false" Christians, this is nothing new, but there ideal of academic Christianity is a form of Christianity which is completely detached from the well being of humans beings. Jesus called for us to follow in his footsteps, not to memorize facts about his life and the bible to impress our academic Christian friends.
spammyadvertising 1 month ago
Another theologian who doesn't get it. People in this world still go through real struggle, hardship, and disappointment. Christianity is not suppose to be some academic endeavor in which a member memorizes facts about the bible and Jesus' life. It is indeed suppose to bring comfort and solace in times of difficulty by helping believers find joy in suffering by understanding that Christ went through an even greater suffering. (Continued)
spammyadvertising 1 month ago
What has this got to do with deism?
This is theism. No doubt.
waddletop 5 months ago
. .. but yes, deism is the wrong term to use here. the Deist God does not intervene, by definition
more correct is "genie of the lamp-ism" or maybe just "magical thinking"
Strefanasha 8 months ago
@Strefanasha The Deist term is probably there for shock value mostly. Also most synergistic systems degrade into practical deism in which the human work becomes the focus and not Christ's work on the cross.
theatwo 6 months ago
a TERRIBLE indictment on the state of even the evangelical churches. No wonder I am met with blind incomprehension when i speak of His grace of discussion forums: it is either this or pharisaic legalism.
How can a person avoid these? either the manifest grace of God, or it will never genuinely happen. trying by resolve to think spiritually is dangerous legalism in its own right
Strefanasha 8 months ago
• All human beings are created equal under God, with the same natural rights.
Deism advocates moderation, reason, freethinking, respect (racial, social, and religious), self-reliance, and the inherent equality of all human beings.
DeismTV 1 year ago
@DeismTV That's mere deism... which is kind of funny considering Christians believe not only the former, but that God also holds all pieces in place at the same time, so that nothing happens outside of God's divine providence.
Now you can cry about that being "unfair" all you want, but you are clay and God molded you. Not a single spring nor a single cog in your being that has not been set up from the beginning, even to now, for His purpose.
Even NATURE reflects that.
MRKetter81 10 months ago
• Belief in a single Creator based on reason.
• The order and complexity of nature and the universe make God self-evident.
• God’s full nature is incomprehensible due to limitations of the human mind and language.
• God gave humanity reason and conscience so we could develop our own moral and ethical principles.
• Human beings should be free to find, know, and worship God in their own way. All views of God should be respected, so long as they do not cause harm or oppress the views of others.
DeismTV 1 year ago
@DeismTV Deism by no means does any of those things. If I set all the cogs and springs in my watch then no other outcome will happen than which I had originally set forth from the beginning. If I know how all outcomes will be throughout all time then I will simply adjust each spring as needed. Nothing comes that is not already expected, and if God created you then each "free" action you make is simply a reaction to all actions made by the deity.
MRKetter81 10 months ago
@MRKetter81 All of this assumes an interventionist Deity, which the overwhelming majority of Deists do not conclude. There is no evidence of God adjusting the "springs." I do not deny the possibility, but I don't see any proof either.
DeismTV 10 months ago
@DeismTV All of this assumes an interventionist Deity
Not at all... Set the springs once then they are always set.
Now if God "created" you, tell me which cause and effect did He not see coming down the line?
Were you willing to be created? I guess that means God forced His will upon you when He brought you in to existence.
Deism only implies it happened at one moment, but makes no difference in the case of free will at all. God created man, not man.
MRKetter81 10 months ago
His conclusion should have been entitled Moralistic-Therapeutic-Theism. That would have been a more intellectually honest presentation. Deists do not follow holy books or revelation, let alone Christ as a savior figure. In Episode 8 of DeismTV, I explain what Deism really means. I will paste in some comments below with the "core beliefs" of Deism.
DeismTV 1 year ago