@scottwins2 The BofM is a stolen plagiarized book. It takes "New World" themes around since Columbus and manipulates them so Joe could claim Missouri was Eden and by extension his personal property. Nephi can be verified when YOU grow a pair, buy some books and read them. I know it's scary reading non Mormon books. Esp those that nullify your beliefs. Think how a Christians feels when he read your polygamy revelation nullified their marriage, threatens death to them and their wives.
@IExposeMormonism Actually I have a copy of Solomons Mauscript and have read it with a laugh or two. I have read the Book of Mormon as well which I see you have not. Sir, your position is one of ignorance. Why, to think these books have anything in common is to say that the rabbit chases the fox. Again you evaded the point, you made a statement that Nephi was in both books and he is not you sir are a liar. You would have called Moses a killer Jesus a spy, and Noah a visionary.
@scottwins2 If you have a Manuscript it's the Hawaii one, as mentioned here, no the Msc under discussion. Did you know even Spaulding accused Sid of stealing it? You aren't listening to the story being told, you are listening to your MorgTV, the mouthpiece of the lord, hypnotize you. The Hawaii manuscript does have the "flavor" of the stolen document.Now, go buy true unaltered copies of the books referenced and you'll be on the way to Truth Hood
@IExposeMormonism As before you give no facts, show no similarities whatsover what you have claimed, they are not the same book. You have given nothing but gobble gobble just like this video.
@scottwins2 Look you prevaricating polygamist, If I tell you E.D. Howe, P23 it wont mean anything to you. You need to do your own research and discover the many people describing having heard certain names, themes, phrases. You wont learn anything meaning Morg publication. Howe, Hurlburt, Dickinson, Bennet, etc are interviewing witnesses exposing Joe and Sid's lie. When you research you will find truth and you wont be stuck in the grasp of a manipulative hierarchy
@ZelphKinderhook Hello Zelph Any answer I reply with on here will not satisfy you whatsoever, I have seen your work here. The fact remains Joseph Smith testified of the truth of it until his death, He sacrificed his brother for it and others, had witnesses to it and David Whitmer who left the Church testifies to this day of its truth on his tombstone. there bt but it will be ov no avail. The test is rad it and "ask God if it is NOT true,you will have your proof.
@scottwins2 You blabbering Smorgbot, You need to go read the words yourself. The affidavits are in the books. And include Ellen Dickinson, "New Light On Mormonism", c1878. She was related to Spaulding, investigated, interviewed many of the same witnesses. And don't come whining with "They're anti Mormons" They're the friends and relatives who saw and heard it read to them. For OPR just buy Schindlers book. Stop asking me to do your homework. You need to get outside the Morgbot box.
@IExposeMormonism You made a statement that Nephi was in both books you can't back it up. Nor have you read either one and you are calling me names? The spaulding manuscript is not the foundation in any way of The Book of Mormon, You babble on yet no facts as usuul. You as a Mormon hater are not very good at your job, boy. As before show me and all who read here similarities of both books. Other than a few Christain references there are NONE!
Its about concepts? Yes, The Book of Mormon has many concepts lets compare those and since you could not find one paragraph that is the same, a few: BAPTISM, BLESSINGS,MORALITY,OBEDIENCE,SALVATION,TEACHINGS OF CHRIST(ANY),GENEALOGY,SOBRIETY,REVELATION,RIGHTEOUS LIVING, BELIEF IN GOD, JUDGEMENT BAR OF GOD, APPEARANCE OF CHRIST IN THE AMERICAS,VOICE OF GOD,SPIRITUAL STRENGTH AND PROPHESY. ANY of these concepts that are the same in the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript and The Book of Mormon? NO, NONE
@scottwins2 I see the red bar increasing, Mormons are least trying to listen. The similarities in the BofM to the Many witnesses to the Spaulding "Manuscript Found" are in the names, like Nephi, and certain phrases, like, "It came to pass", and the theme. If you would get of the Mormon milk bottle and gulp some truth you'd see things clearer. Really. PS, OP Rockwell said he shot Boggs. The gun was dropped at scene and OP stole it from a store. Schindler, in his book, admits it
@scottwins2 To read of the witnesses to Spaulding see E.D. Howe, Hurlbut, J.C. Bennet and D. Kidder. c1834-1842. For Oppie, see Schindler, OPR, Man of god Son of thunder, 2nd Ed, p67-71. You're welcome. Now, apply your standard to yourself and your church and you will be healed.
@IExposeMormonism You evaded my statement that you yourself brought up. Nephi, you say he is in the Manuscript Found, share that please and how he is like the Nephi of the book of Mormon as is the same person. While your at it share anycourt case against Porter Rockwell that finds him guilty of any crime. He was upstanding and a US Marshal.
@scottwins2 The sources for Nephi are in the books I referenced. Maybe I'll make a video just for you::: You lazy Mormon, I gave you multiple references for you to read. Get to it. Sandra Tanner has NON Redacted copies (Don't use Mormon sources, they are redacted) of all these books for a few$ each... And Schindler's book is available. Just so you know, OP did spend months in jail. You should know all this, you're the Morg.
@IExposeMormonism Actually I am not lazy at all. You will not provide facts. NO NOT ONE! Porter did spend time in jail; but never convicted of any crime. For Nephi? as before you haven't provided one documented fact. you said, Nephi existed in both books, show us. why don't you? You don't because you cannot do it plain and simple. Sandra Tanner you think I should listen to that nipping dog? I would debate her any time anywhere. I doubt if you have read either Book, have you?
Spaulding, Maunscript Found and the Book of Mormon? Show me one paragraph in both books that are the same! NONE, NOT ONE!!! WHY DO YOU CONTINUE MAKING FALSEHOODS THESE WRITNGS ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!! SHOW US ONE PARARAGRAPH ONE!!!!!!!
Poter never shot good ole Lilburn Boggs the loving man that he was. Why how much blood was on the hands of that poor lowly good for nothing soul to put up Extinction Order of innocent people. How is it you do not cry about this good for nothing bottom feeder.
@funkhead999 ---In the book of Mormon there are no less than 16 cities are destroyed by whom and when had this event supposedly happened? 3rd Nephi ch 9.
How is this the Love of Christ for lost sinners?
A Savior doesnt killed and destroyed thousands of people because their sins were an abomination to him. In my opinion, Smith was only imatating Jesus with his own man made face in his hat, golden fantasy book.
See 1 Tim 1:15, Rom 5:8-9, John 3:17, Luke 9:56 Gal 1:6-9 , and 2 Tim 4:4
Good day, faith crushers. my religious fascism is so far above thine fascism. My hateful, stabbing, hypocrosy will scatter thine hypocrisy like ashes. My seething, hidden, anger will overshadow thy immoral lust!
But the Book of Mormon, Joseph SMith and Christ are the only things I still believe in this world. Everything else is broken, including love. There is no woman on earth to be trusted. There is damnation, and no source of elation in life. But the Book of Mormon is still true.
@Theeagerburger ur an ignorant monkey. how the fuck do you know what god wants or likes. Mormonism has nothing to do with satanism, you drooling moron. Learn about what you talk about before running ur mouth.
The Reprobates listed on this page with there filthy mouths teach me they are like the people of old the railed against the prophets, no diferent whatsoever. they have no love of Christ in them at all. Joseph Smith was a man of character. Yet the mob here mentions nothing of Josephs and Hyrams innocent murder by the hands of the mob. Even the Constable created a false Mitmass to secure there impending doom. Yet the prophet of this bottom feeding group is good ole Goverenor Boggs himself!
@scottwins2 ---Did you know that Joseph Smith posted a $500 reward for anyone who could kill governor Boggs? yep such a character all right. interesting to note is the character of Smith's own body guard, Porter Rockwell who is known to have killed over a 100 men, was also was suspected of the shooting of Govn.Boggs. I guess Smith asked him if he could do it. ahuh.
@Rypaul5217 Not true, you give no facts. Joseph Smith did not offer this reward it would have been illegal and he would have been arrested. As of Rockwell? your 100 killings are hesay,again no facts as usaul. I do know that Porter Rockwell was a US Marshal and thats a fact. Porter was never convicted of any murder.
The mormon church's secret combinations is their relationship to freemasonry and the Catholic Church and all other masonic cults that support the ANTICHRISTIAN Zioinist concept. I've been through the temples. I got my secret name, took blood oathes, all that secret handshake crap, all instructed by lucifer's presence as the star at the front of the room... so Satanic? Absolutely. Man becoming God is Satanism. Do some homework. Freemasonry is Satanism at it's highest levels,
He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty."...his integrity was as firm as the pillars of Heaven. He knew that God had called him to the work, and all powers of earth and hell combined failed either to deter or divert him from his purpose... Gordon B. Hinkley
Be it known... That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates. We also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates.... And it is marvelous in our eyes. we bear testimony of these things. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
For I say...but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
None of those references have anything to do with the requirement of faith to see something right in front of you....that is, if it's actually there. Do you need faith to see the ground?
That Joseph Smith, Jun.., has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon,... we bear record with words of soberness..., for we have seen and hefted,. And we lie not, God bearing witness....
CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
Plenty of people have their opionions on who wrote the Book of Mormon. But no one can explain why the book was written. For what purpose? For what gain? Joseph Smith ended up losing his life for what he believed. And by all accounts died a poor man. The book continues to be spread across the World and it's message of Christ is powerful. So I challenge everyone here: For what deceitful purpose was the book written? No one will be able to give me a sufficient, logical answer.
Manuscript Found was lost after Spaulding died and the printer went out of business. It's never been published and the original manuscript has never been located.
In 1834, in Mormonism Unvailed, Eber D. Howe attacked the authenticity of the Book of Mormon by adopting Philastus Hurlbut's argument that Sidney Rigdon purloined the "Manuscript Story" of Solomon Spaulding, plagiarized it to compose the Book of Mormon, and gave it to Joseph Smith... During his lifetime Rigdon and members of his family consistently denied any connection with Spaulding, and after the discovery in 1885 of one of Spaulding's manuscripts, the story was discredited
In fact here is a line or two. The "Manuscript Found," or "Manuscript Story," ...actually, the two peoples were brothers only in the sense that they were all children of one God. The Manuscript Story is explicit on this. Speaking to the two nations, Lobaska says, "You have all derived your existence from the great Father of Spirits, you are his children & belong to his great family. Why, then have you thirsted for each others' blood? for the Blood of Brothers?"
You keep adding one lie on top of another.....or maybe you are too dense to realize Manuscript Found and Manuscript Story are too different books. lol
@Jack44M I've read a lot of your comments. I find it amazing how someone with so little knowledge of the LDS Church thinks he has anything to of merit to say. This is the last Anti-Mormon room I will ever visit. Thank you sir, you have proven my point that only people who are ignorent of the Church speak against it. Those who chose to study and search the depths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will come to a knowledge of Him. Others like yourself will continue to wallow in hate and bitterness.
scottwins2, once again, proves he is a liar by saying he's read Manuscript Found. In fact, Manuscript Found WAS NEVER PUBLISHED so it's impossible for him to have read it. lol
Spaulding left it with the printer in Pittsburgh while he tried to raise money to have it published. He died before he got the money together and Manuscript Found disappeared from the printer.
I've never seen a group who lies as much as Mormons do. They will say ANYTHING in defense of their cult
@Jack44M totally agree with u, @scottwins2 is a real treat he is everywhere there will come a time when after somany confrontations against the truth from his part the Lord will deliver him and he will taste what true love is. God bless u all. :)
"I have read both, Manuscript Found, it never mentions God nor Prophet leaders like Moses, nor following Christ in ANYWAY"
......Manuscript Found has never been FOUND so how did you read it? ROFL
You parrot FARMS garbage and don't even know how to do it correctly.
It's their theory of how the BofM came to be. B.H. Roberts presented much better parallel information from View of the Hebrews and the BofM. VoftheH is a more probable source.
Spaulding's Manuscript Story (Oberlin College) has about a dozen parallels between it and the BofM, but as I posted earlier, View of the Hebrews is a more likely candidate for the framework for the BofM....and there is a direct connection between Howe and Cowdery.
@Jack44M No facts as usual, As I have said and you cannot deliver. ONE SENTANCE THAT IS THE SAME IN EACH BOOK AND YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT, THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SILENT ON THE MATTER.
@Jack44M The 175-page Manuscript Found was first published as a 115-page monograph in 1885, some seventy years after the death of its author, Solomon Spaulding. The only known manuscript was lost from 1839 until its discovery in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1884. It was published by both the Latter-day Saints and Reorganized Latter Day Saint churches to refute critics that it had served as an original source document for the Book of Mormon, supposedly supplied to Joseph Smith by Sidney Rigdon.
...That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates... which have the appearance of gold...we did handle with our hands... we also saw the engravings thereon...that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
Dr.Philastus Hurlbut, who was excommunicated from the Church in June 1833. Desiring to discredit his former coreligionists, Hurlbut set out... to refute Joseph Smith's claims for the origins of the Book of Mormon. He interviewed... Spaulding's family, who swore that there were precise similarities between Spaulding's work and the Book of Mormon. He also located the neglected manuscript, but must have been disappointed to discover that it had no demonstrable connection with the Book of Mormon.
In 1977, graphologists claimed to have detected similarities between the handwriting of Spaulding and of one of the scribes who transcribed some of the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith's dictation. After considerable media attention and further scrutiny, anti-Mormon spokespersons acknowledged that they had been too hasty. The handwriting evidence did not support a connection between Solomon Spaulding and Joseph Smith.
@CounterCultureLives Lance D. Chase, Maxwell Institute and with that comment since it gives you nowhere to go and certainly you cannot find ONE SENTANCE that ole Joe stole from Ol Doc Spaulding. I find the witnesses of The Book of Mormon compelling yet you turn a blind eye. I am done here have your last cutting word. Critics or excommunicated bitter people like you try to thump on the Mormons for yet never concider the LDS faith just may be true and The Book of Morman is as well.
@scottwins2 The Maxwell Institute?? Another offshoot of LDS Shillsters, Inc.
L.D.S. = L,.ie + D.eceive + S.idestep
You're doing all of those things. You're attempting to create the illusion of disagreement in the one area where we seem to agree. You keep going back to "demanding one sentence" AFTER I've made it clear that plagiarism is not the issue Parallelism IS the issue. Now, objective thinkers & LDS Investigators can see the lengths that Mormons will go to in order to obfuscate the truth.
Since 1946, no serious student of Mormonism has given the Spaulding Manuscript theory much credibility. In that year, Fawn Brodie published No Man Knows My History. This biography of Joseph Smith, hostile to his prophetic claims, dismissed the idea of any connection between Spaulding and Smith or their writings. Rigdon first met Joseph Smith in December 1830 after the Book of Mormon was published.
All I have asked if you can show ONE PARAGRAPH that is the same in the entire 175 pages of mauscript and you can't do it, period. Lets see, lets make it eisier for you show me one sentance that is the same ONE! Surely the great deceiver Joseph Smith would have stolen ONE sentance to steal a whole book! Oops sorry you can't do that either. amazing you blow off Joseph Smiths witnesses and yet you claim none.
That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
... That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
Lives Give me a break! Show me ONE Paragraph in the whole book of Spaulding that is the same in the Book of Mormon that is the same. Tell me about the story lines where are they the same, show me? NO YOU CAN'T! Spauldings work is a piece of crap! I doubt if you have read either. As before NOT ONE PERSON will answer me SHOW me where he has copied Spaulding or shut the hell up
@scottwins2 Let's begin with the introduction, and examine the parallels between "Manuscript Found" and BoM. The introduction to the Spaulding work claims that its author was walking near Conneaut, Ohio (about 150 miles west of the place in New York where Joseph Smith obtained the gold plates), when he discovered an inscribed, flat stone. This he raised with a lever, uncovering a cave in which lay a stone box containing twenty-eight rolls of parchment. The writing was in Latin.
@scottwins2 Going into a little cyber-tantrum, are you?? A character in Spaulding's writing possessed a seer stone used to "translate......just like the magic rocks SmYth used!! imagine that!! tHere's more, but I'll leave you to throw your little tantrum. Get back with me after you've grown up a bit.
@CounterCultureLives Since you could not give me a paragraph try finding one sentance that is the same ONE! YOU CAN'T!!!! Why? because that book was supposed to be a love stroy of a indian prince and princess. The Book of Mormon A Family coming to the Americas and Christs dealings with them. Boy those story lines match up.
@scottwins2 Once again, you are attempting to do the LDS Sidestep; attempting to confuse parallelisms with plagiarism. I've made it clear that plagiarism is not the issue at hand. Parallelisms are the issue. I offered one example of those parallelisms which are clear to anyone with the mental discipline to examine Spaulding's introduction with Smyth's story about his fabled gold plates. Study further, we find fables of travels to the new world, and other commonalities in the story lines.
@scottwins2 We also know that Spaulding attempted to write "Manuscript Lost" in (poorly constructed) Elizabethan English. SmYth also wrote B.o.M. in the same poorly constructed writing styles of Elizabethan English used by Spaulding, along with his over-used "And it came to pass" phrases. Problem is that the time of King James and BoM do not coincide at all. The Spaulding-Rigdon connection is also clear, although LDS has attempted to deny that. Of course, LDS's denials don't withstand scrutiny.
@CounterCultureLives SHOW ME A PARAGRAPH THAT IS THE SAME IN BOTH BOOKS , YOU CANNOT DO IT. In fact You are saying that if someone decided to write a book on the Civil war in Atlanta you would say it was copied from Gone With The Wind.. what a joke. Still waiting for that paragraph out of all that writng that is the same.. Plus Joseph had winesses. to how he got his work. A Witness? why how dare he have witnesses.
@scottwins2 Dude, you are as thick headed as you are lacking in reading comprehension skills. All anyone need do is scroll down and read our discourses, and your attempts at sidestepping and straw-man arguments become clear. all you are doing now is attempting to divert the matters back to plagiary; matters which I've already repeatedly addressed. Your tactics are in keeping with the same, lame, failed attempts by LDS to sidestep and divert topics afield from their original focuses.
@scottwins2 This is the reply I left you yesterday.
"Borrowing from the story lines, then crafting them to fit The Book of Mormon WAS NOT EXACTLY PLAGIARISM per se, but it was deceitful."
Now, it's clear beating this dead horse.because you are unable to address or rebut the points that I have made. Your attempts to sidestep and deceive clearly are not supported by our discourse. All you're doing now is wasting my time and demonstrating your foolishness.
@dorisfenella Peru! Very nice, love to go there someday. For a real treat my friend go to "Andrea Bocelli Best Song Ever on the YUTBE here. It it is beautiful"
David Whitmer was asked about the plates, the interviewer recorded: He explained that he saw the plates, and with his natural eyes, but he had to be prepared for it--that he and the other witnesses were overshadowed by the power of God and a halo of brightness indescribable.Paul understood describing spiritual experiences:I knew a man in Christ...., (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
@NikolaiCroft I just checked my customer order list for the "Reformed Egyptian For Dummies!!" kits that I market, and your name is NOT on that list!! Without "Reformed Egyptian for Dummies!!", (Magic rocks, hat, and electroplated gold-like tablets.... all for $149.95 + Shipping and Handling!!) you could not have possibly written The Book of Mormon!!
...That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates... which have the appearance of gold...we did handle with our hands... we also saw the engravings thereon...that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
@scottwins2 Or, so they claimed..... but if Joseph SmYth "translated" the so-called golden plates, then why were his changes so inaccurate?? Obviously, they were because there have been some very serious changes made to The Book of Mormon!!
@CounterCultureLives The Book of Mormon has experienced Editorial changes only which is common for any book, from the proof readers to the printer to the people who wanted to make it in verse form. No problem
@scottwins2 So, the Nephites suddenly went from being "fair, white & delightsome" to being "fair, pure and delightsome" because of poor proofreading?? That change was made in 1976, when LDS was under fire for their racist practices. Took long enough to spot that error!! Then the Lamanites went from being "the principle ancestors" of the Amerindians, to being "among the ancestors", which coincided with the time that DNA research was discrediting BoM?? Right!! No problem....
@scottwins2 The gold plated that Joseph SmYth "translated" were in a language called "Reformed Egyptian". (for which there in no credible anthropological evidence) The Bible was translated into Elizabethan English during the rule of King James in 1611. Since the times of The Book of Mormon were allegedly from +/- 2600BC to sometime past 600BC, then one must ask why Joseph's "translations" were worded in Elizabethan English. See, Joe didn't do his homework before concocting the BoM fables.
... That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
Show me one page in The Book of Mormon that is the same as Solomon Spaulding manuscript, there is none, thats a fact. As usual no one will respond with an answer.
@scottwins2 Nice attempt to sidestep the truth, but you fail. SmYth used the story lines of Solomon Spalding's writings, "Manuscript Found". Borrowing from the story lines, then crafting them to fit The Book of Mormon was not exactly "plagiarism" per se, but it was deceitful. Joseph SmYth's life was riddled with one act of deceit after another. After borrowing from Spalding's writings, he "translated" the fabled gold plated into...... Elizabethan English?? He got his time-frames all wrong!!
@CounterCultureLives Lives Give me a break! Show me ONE Paragraph in the whole book of Spaulding that is the same in the Book of Mormon that is the same. Tell me about the story lines where are they the same, show me? NO YOU CAN'T! Spauldings work is a piece of crap! I doubt if you have read either. As before NOT ONE PERSON will answer me SHOW me where he has copied Spaulding or shut the hell up
@scottwins2 No, I will not "give you a break". There is a 500 character limit, so it might be a good idea for you to get off your lazy Mormon ass ad do some legitimate research. "The Mormon Curtain" offers excellent insights pertaining to that matter.
See: Specifically: "Here Is An Excerpt From Solomon Spaulding’s Manuscript"
Parley P. Pratt Who can withstand the Almighty, or frustrate his purposes? Herod died of a loathsome disease, and transmitted to posterity his fame as a tyrant and murderer. And Lilburn W. Boggs is dragging out a remnant of existence in California, with the mark of Cain upon his brow, and the fear of Cain within his heart, lest he that findeth him shall slay him. He is a living stink, and will go down to posterity with the credit of a wholesale murderer.
“I honor and revere the name of Joseph Smith. I delight to hear it; I love it. I love his doctrine. I feel like shouting Hallelujah, all the time, when I think that I ever knew Joseph Smith, the Prophet whom the Lord raised up. I am bold to say that, Jesus Christ excepted, no better man ever lived or does live upon this earth. I am his witness. Brigham Young..... I feel the same way, Joseph smith was a great man for being killed innocently by a mob at the age of 38.
@scottwins2 Ur the typical personage of a mormon, honoring man and accepting lies, do u really enjoy living and defending liers ?*¿ would ur world crumble that much if u were to denounce the lies u know are lies ? Deep inside ur heart & mind u´ve been troubled by ALL EVIDENCE of the false bom and its fathers for years. You dont need to be in bondage no-more. Jesus of the Bible is willing to give u FREEDOM. Say goodbye to the bad guys. :)
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
@scottwins2 Well fellow Mormon, there are a lot of Book of Mormon verses that parallel or repeat a few bible verses. But I say, God's word is final and is worth repeating. Keep the faith and the courage to "fight" against these hatemongers bro.
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
@Jack44M Hell may pour forth its rage like the burning lava of Mount Vesuvius . . . and yet shall "Mormonism" stand. . . . God is the author of it. He is our shield. . . . It was by Him we received the Book of Mormon; and it is by Him that we remain unto this day; and by Him we shall remain, if it shall be for our glory; and in His Almighty name we are determined to endure tribulation as good soldiers unto the end. Joseph Smith
@IExposeMormonism I have NO clue man, your guess is as good as mine. My guess that with eagerurger's history that I would say no.. but I could be wrong
First Article of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
As far as Temple ordinances? The ordinaces of the Temple during Christs time in Jerusulem are not memteioned either because they are sacred and different from normanl teaching to people. Is Christ prejudice? maybe since he spok in parables so people would not understand him. suggestng he wanted only certain people to know the fuull doctrine of the church.
Spalding? HA Ha HA I have copyof the manuscript and there is nothing that is the same at all, How far will people reach? Thge book of Mormon stands alone another Witness of Christ as the Bible and yet Christ is not mentioned once in the Spalding manuscript. I am still suprised people don't use it for firewood, garbage actually.
"The Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on this Earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book." Joseph Smith Jr.
If it's the most correct book, why has it been corrected thousands of times? Smith got it word for word from God through his magic rock....it should be just as God dictated it to him. Instead it gets changed over and over again.
If that's the book that will get someone closer to God, where in the BofM are the temple ordinances Mormons say are required for exaltation? Where in the BofM does it state God is an exalted man?
@Jack44M Not that it will matter to you in anyway since you are not willing to aCcept anything, but The Book of Mormon was written very quickly under trying cercumstancees. It went to press quickly as well. The printer made corrections and it was even editied during successive printings which is normal for an book. Changes in story line or doctrine? none. Its a moote point and critics such as yoself already know it. AS FAR A CHAGES OVER AND OVER THIS IS NOT THE CASE SHOW ME WHERE.
Let me understand clearly what you are saying.....Who is responsible for the horrible grammar in the 1830 edition?
As far as changes that affected doctrine....how about the change from Mary giving birth to God and then changed to insert "the son of". THAT is a huge difference. I have more, but I'd like to hear your explanation of those first.
@Jack44M Christ and God are synonymous. He is part of the Godhead and and stands on the right hand of the Father. Son of God reads better apparently. Editorial License has been used for hundreds of years. But NO! you can't do that to this book they cry! We believe that Christ and the Father are one in purpose. In any Mormon literature speaking of Christ, He is our Father in the sence of our baptism and rebirth, or born up out of the water and cleansed from sin.
@scottwins2 certainly an obnoscious statement, its a pity u proclaim the man and his work instead of the one Supreme Creator, oh yeah i remember i read about those who would do that in the Bible God´s Word. :)
@7wiiskate You seem to be a very One dimentional thinker, The Book of Mormon Is a companion book to the Bible which is not a book by the way. Its a Library of books so comes the word in Greek "Biblio". The Book of Mormon itself THEACHES Christ. Might do to read it before you complain about it. Actually I praise Moses too for bringing forth Genisis, Exodus, Numbers and Deuteromony. Jesus Christ was not mentioned once in those books.
@scottwins2 if we comment about lds is because we have extensive knowledge of ur organization, ur faith base-mechanism to incite a so-called truth by way of insisting in a ¨i know the church... i know the prophet...¨ its strictly bout of a One dimensional thinker like urself!! Just because u repeat how ur church is the truth over & over again and how u have mascheraded it 2appear as in the initial church does not authenticate ur statements, satan is a master at that. U have been deceived...
@scottwins2 i didnt have 2 comment on Moses didnt think u wanted me2. but u did paid no attention 2my comment or others on this panel. ur delusion rejects all common sense not say FACTS, the Lord is One yes we will always agree on that and salvation thru Jesus but ur BOM is a fraud taking undeniable history from the Bible and somehow adhering ur lies to make it pass as a continuation of the 1st. Say no to feelings and trust Gods word. U need nomore 2believe in. run 4ur life.
@7wiiskate You claim to know about our Church. If that were true, and if you have read the Book of Mormon, then you would know that the book testifies of Christ. Instead, you simply regurgitate tired, cliche lies about the Mormon Church as if they were your own ideas. That is what I call one-dimensional thinking dude. As far as Satan deceiving people, I read the anger in your words and I have to wonder from what source you've been given that anger. Hmm??
@clearpathtofollw has every person that read the bom accepted its content? reading such a book should and would testify 2the reader to believe its entirety? how absurd from ur part 2 think this. i do know about ur church history and probably more than u when it comes to doctrines and nature of God that violently contradicts the Bible. I am not against the lds believer but against the system that imposes their belief which leads to eternal destruction. if by truth & anger i may snatch 1 away ...
@clearpathtofollw (2) from the clutches of deception then i should proceed like this always. Ur interpretation of Gods love is vague, there is a war, many souls are at stake, this must be proclaimed as boldly as when Jesus overturned the tables outside the temple and shut everyone else. ( he might have been with anger) read ur Bible about how God gets when in anger. may he bless u with the truth.
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
ALL WRONG , The book of mormon has the wrong animals , wrong place, wrong crops , wrong weapons , wrong metals , wrong language , wrong culture. There is nothing that even resembles Mayan architecture & culture in Smith "lost tribe of hebrews" story . The moroni challenge is dismissive of proof.
Just bought the book, hopefully it will shed some light on the text's origin. Unfortunately this book will probably be more about destroying Mormonism or preaching protestant christianity instead of a valid objective interest in historical truth for its own sake.
Mormonism is a masonic cult created to introduce the antichrist. They covertly support the concept of a bloodline of Jesus. IT is EXTREME SATANIC EVIL. I have been through the temples, I am a Sinclair that their Da Vinci Code tries to feign as a bloodline of Jesus to covertly suggest that Jesus was merely a man, a teacher. It is absolutely about gold, not the truth. The Knights Templar inquisitioned in France resulted in their fleeing to America. For which Mormonism capitalizes on w fraud
Mormonism is a masonic cult created to introduce the antichrist. They covertly support the concept of a bloodline of jesus. IT is EXTREME SATANIC EVIL. I have been through the temples, I am a Sinclair that their Da Vinci code tries to feign as a bloodline of jesus to covertly suggest that jesus was merely a man, a teacher. It is absolutely about gold, not the truth. The Knights Templar inquisitioned in France resulted in their fleeing to America. For which Mormonism capitalizes on w fraud
@coolman090909 watch "the bible vs. the book of mormon" There isn't a shred of truth in the book of mormon. Do your research. He didn't restore anything, he reinforced a lie.
@54v115 what! adding the bible Word of God with the writings of spalding and swedenborg makes it great? It's exactly opposite to what the Bible says in Revelation 22:19-20. Think about it mormon guys. It is absolutely detestable to God since God is Holy and these 2 writers are fallible in nature. How can a holy God allows other earthly ideas to be a part of His Holy Book. Please the Bible and you will see the truth.
@leojou0619 - tongue in cheek my dear fellow... and please don't put me with mormons..lol.. I have a brain and can see the truth... I'm actually a christian.. only one God, The trinity and all that... the point is.. when Smithy plagiarised the writings of the works mentioned... it made teh BOM.. i.e a work and a wonder - NOT! No harm done.. have a good one!
@leojou0619 - I'm not a mormon and I detest mormonism.. hence my stab at them... i'm Christian .. not one of these mislead wannabe's .... all the best.
Your faith is right, but mormon's who feel the same way about their faith are "mislead wannabe's." Surely you can see the flaw in your own reasoning?
I'm not a mormon and I detest mormonism. I also detest people who feel they are right and others are wrong when there is no evidence for EITHER being right. There is, however, substantial evidence that both are WRONG.
@mcollinsblog - OK.. let's try it this way.. mormons believe themselves to be christian. Their doctrine contradicts the Bible Canon directly and clearly. Is Christianity right? that's for you to decide..I don't care if you believe or not. But, mormonism ISN't what the LDS claim it to be, which is the ONLY true church (Christian Church where no other religion is true either). So you see my logic isn't flawed my friend. Christians do not recognise LDS to be Christian. That is the issue here -
@0LittleDancerGurl0 Just as there's someone in the other side of the world that thinks exactly like you about Islam. Are both both of you brainwashed or are both of you right?
@0LittleDancerGurl0 I know what you feel because that 'sick feeling' you're getting is called cognitive dissonance. Its when your ideas and beliefs conflict with reality. I used to think it was 'the spirit' warning me (as i was told growing up) until I did some research of my own and went to college.
@ShatterYourillusions they really gonna hate u ( dislike in mormon language ) but the truth should hurt and be accepted in whatever realm of life, it is so scary 2know there´re ppl with the intentions to serve God but have been deceive 2 the point where their eternity with God has been compromised. lets not give up even if it makes us sick 2our stomachs hear their cries of their church & prophets.
@7wiiskate hah well, when i realized it doesn't matter what religion you side with, you are still going to hell in 99% of all the other ones that maybe 'God' isn't the one in charge of religion. Its a form of mind control different cultures use to keep loyalty to their parents and communities. Nothing more.
Its a much better question to ask God/yourself to be free of anything that is not true rather than if something is true.
Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and the Earth. Joseph Smith says that God was a sinful man born on a planet and that he later became a God. They cannot both be right. The LDS church teaches that men will become Gods. In the book of Isaiah God says 10 times that there are no other Gods. Either Joseph Smith was a false prophet or Isaiah was a false prophet.
@IndianaJesusfreak ... or maybe you have NO CLUE how to interprate scripture!! hahaha how many Gods are there right now?? Father, Son and Holy Ghost ... or am I wrong?? He said that men WILL become Gods ... has it happened yet?? So did ya miss the interpretation or are we just stupid? You do know that the God that Created the Heavensand the Earth... was Christ, right? or did you miss that too? :)
look at all the experts talking...... thats just it, talking......
SpecOpsDoctor 23 hours ago
Mormon = quack, quack, quack
BR5499a 2 weeks ago
The Book of Mormon is a true word of God as is the Bible.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 The BofM is a stolen plagiarized book. It takes "New World" themes around since Columbus and manipulates them so Joe could claim Missouri was Eden and by extension his personal property. Nephi can be verified when YOU grow a pair, buy some books and read them. I know it's scary reading non Mormon books. Esp those that nullify your beliefs. Think how a Christians feels when he read your polygamy revelation nullified their marriage, threatens death to them and their wives.
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism Actually I have a copy of Solomons Mauscript and have read it with a laugh or two. I have read the Book of Mormon as well which I see you have not. Sir, your position is one of ignorance. Why, to think these books have anything in common is to say that the rabbit chases the fox. Again you evaded the point, you made a statement that Nephi was in both books and he is not you sir are a liar. You would have called Moses a killer Jesus a spy, and Noah a visionary.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 If you have a Manuscript it's the Hawaii one, as mentioned here, no the Msc under discussion. Did you know even Spaulding accused Sid of stealing it? You aren't listening to the story being told, you are listening to your MorgTV, the mouthpiece of the lord, hypnotize you. The Hawaii manuscript does have the "flavor" of the stolen document.Now, go buy true unaltered copies of the books referenced and you'll be on the way to Truth Hood
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism As before you give no facts, show no similarities whatsover what you have claimed, they are not the same book. You have given nothing but gobble gobble just like this video.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 Look you prevaricating polygamist, If I tell you E.D. Howe, P23 it wont mean anything to you. You need to do your own research and discover the many people describing having heard certain names, themes, phrases. You wont learn anything meaning Morg publication. Howe, Hurlburt, Dickinson, Bennet, etc are interviewing witnesses exposing Joe and Sid's lie. When you research you will find truth and you wont be stuck in the grasp of a manipulative hierarchy
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2
What evidence do you have that the Book of Mormon is a true historical document of ancient America?
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@ZelphKinderhook Hello Zelph Any answer I reply with on here will not satisfy you whatsoever, I have seen your work here. The fact remains Joseph Smith testified of the truth of it until his death, He sacrificed his brother for it and others, had witnesses to it and David Whitmer who left the Church testifies to this day of its truth on his tombstone. there bt but it will be ov no avail. The test is rad it and "ask God if it is NOT true,you will have your proof.
scottwins2 4 hours ago
Porter Rockwell did not shoot Lillburn Boggs. Do you know why? because Boggs would have been dead right then.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 You blabbering Smorgbot, You need to go read the words yourself. The affidavits are in the books. And include Ellen Dickinson, "New Light On Mormonism", c1878. She was related to Spaulding, investigated, interviewed many of the same witnesses. And don't come whining with "They're anti Mormons" They're the friends and relatives who saw and heard it read to them. For OPR just buy Schindlers book. Stop asking me to do your homework. You need to get outside the Morgbot box.
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism You made a statement that Nephi was in both books you can't back it up. Nor have you read either one and you are calling me names? The spaulding manuscript is not the foundation in any way of The Book of Mormon, You babble on yet no facts as usuul. You as a Mormon hater are not very good at your job, boy. As before show me and all who read here similarities of both books. Other than a few Christain references there are NONE!
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
Its about concepts? Yes, The Book of Mormon has many concepts lets compare those and since you could not find one paragraph that is the same, a few: BAPTISM, BLESSINGS,MORALITY,OBEDIENCE,SALVATION,TEACHINGS OF CHRIST(ANY),GENEALOGY,SOBRIETY,REVELATION,RIGHTEOUS LIVING, BELIEF IN GOD, JUDGEMENT BAR OF GOD, APPEARANCE OF CHRIST IN THE AMERICAS,VOICE OF GOD,SPIRITUAL STRENGTH AND PROPHESY. ANY of these concepts that are the same in the Solomon Spaulding Manuscript and The Book of Mormon? NO, NONE
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 I see the red bar increasing, Mormons are least trying to listen. The similarities in the BofM to the Many witnesses to the Spaulding "Manuscript Found" are in the names, like Nephi, and certain phrases, like, "It came to pass", and the theme. If you would get of the Mormon milk bottle and gulp some truth you'd see things clearer. Really. PS, OP Rockwell said he shot Boggs. The gun was dropped at scene and OP stole it from a store. Schindler, in his book, admits it
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism Tell us of the stroy of nephi in the Spauling manuscript and nephi in the Book of Mormon. Show the similarities.
Porter never said, "he shot Lilburn Boggs". You site and accuse never giving the facts.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 To read of the witnesses to Spaulding see E.D. Howe, Hurlbut, J.C. Bennet and D. Kidder. c1834-1842. For Oppie, see Schindler, OPR, Man of god Son of thunder, 2nd Ed, p67-71. You're welcome. Now, apply your standard to yourself and your church and you will be healed.
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism You evaded my statement that you yourself brought up. Nephi, you say he is in the Manuscript Found, share that please and how he is like the Nephi of the book of Mormon as is the same person. While your at it share anycourt case against Porter Rockwell that finds him guilty of any crime. He was upstanding and a US Marshal.
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
@scottwins2 The sources for Nephi are in the books I referenced. Maybe I'll make a video just for you::: You lazy Mormon, I gave you multiple references for you to read. Get to it. Sandra Tanner has NON Redacted copies (Don't use Mormon sources, they are redacted) of all these books for a few$ each... And Schindler's book is available. Just so you know, OP did spend months in jail. You should know all this, you're the Morg.
IExposeMormonism 3 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism Actually I am not lazy at all. You will not provide facts. NO NOT ONE! Porter did spend time in jail; but never convicted of any crime. For Nephi? as before you haven't provided one documented fact. you said, Nephi existed in both books, show us. why don't you? You don't because you cannot do it plain and simple. Sandra Tanner you think I should listen to that nipping dog? I would debate her any time anywhere. I doubt if you have read either Book, have you?
scottwins2 3 weeks ago
growing up in the faith you were taught very simple things as a female:
1) your soul perpose in this life and in the afterlife is to find a good mormon husband and have babies.
2) NEVER question the teachings, YOUR HUSBAND, and the members of the priesthood.
3) everything in the book of mormon was written by joseph smith and only modified for the "changes of the times"......
does that seem right or sane to ANYONE who isnt deep into the mormon faith?
TheJuggaletteKasha 1 month ago
Spaulding, Maunscript Found and the Book of Mormon? Show me one paragraph in both books that are the same! NONE, NOT ONE!!! WHY DO YOU CONTINUE MAKING FALSEHOODS THESE WRITNGS ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!! SHOW US ONE PARARAGRAPH ONE!!!!!!!
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2
Many people don't believe you'll find paragraphs that are exactly the same. It's more the concepts.
Now, how about you explain why the Book of Mormon is full of anachronisms?
ZelphKinderhook 1 month ago
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@ZelphKinderhook Moroni 10:20
20 Wherefore, there must be faith; and if there must be faith there must also be hope; and if there must be hope there must also be charity.
dorisfenella 4 weeks ago
Poter never shot good ole Lilburn Boggs the loving man that he was. Why how much blood was on the hands of that poor lowly good for nothing soul to put up Extinction Order of innocent people. How is it you do not cry about this good for nothing bottom feeder.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@funkhead999 ---In the book of Mormon there are no less than 16 cities are destroyed by whom and when had this event supposedly happened? 3rd Nephi ch 9.
How is this the Love of Christ for lost sinners?
A Savior doesnt killed and destroyed thousands of people because their sins were an abomination to him. In my opinion, Smith was only imatating Jesus with his own man made face in his hat, golden fantasy book.
See 1 Tim 1:15, Rom 5:8-9, John 3:17, Luke 9:56 Gal 1:6-9 , and 2 Tim 4:4
Rypaul5217 1 month ago
Good day, faith crushers. my religious fascism is so far above thine fascism. My hateful, stabbing, hypocrosy will scatter thine hypocrisy like ashes. My seething, hidden, anger will overshadow thy immoral lust!
But the Book of Mormon, Joseph SMith and Christ are the only things I still believe in this world. Everything else is broken, including love. There is no woman on earth to be trusted. There is damnation, and no source of elation in life. But the Book of Mormon is still true.
funkhead999 1 month ago
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Rypaul5217 1 month ago
@Theeagerburger ur an ignorant monkey. how the fuck do you know what god wants or likes. Mormonism has nothing to do with satanism, you drooling moron. Learn about what you talk about before running ur mouth.
XxNINJAHAWKxX 2 months ago
The Reprobates listed on this page with there filthy mouths teach me they are like the people of old the railed against the prophets, no diferent whatsoever. they have no love of Christ in them at all. Joseph Smith was a man of character. Yet the mob here mentions nothing of Josephs and Hyrams innocent murder by the hands of the mob. Even the Constable created a false Mitmass to secure there impending doom. Yet the prophet of this bottom feeding group is good ole Goverenor Boggs himself!
scottwins2 2 months ago
@scottwins2 ---Did you know that Joseph Smith posted a $500 reward for anyone who could kill governor Boggs? yep such a character all right. interesting to note is the character of Smith's own body guard, Porter Rockwell who is known to have killed over a 100 men, was also was suspected of the shooting of Govn.Boggs. I guess Smith asked him if he could do it. ahuh.
Rypaul5217 1 month ago
@Rypaul5217 Not true, you give no facts. Joseph Smith did not offer this reward it would have been illegal and he would have been arrested. As of Rockwell? your 100 killings are hesay,again no facts as usaul. I do know that Porter Rockwell was a US Marshal and thats a fact. Porter was never convicted of any murder.
scottwins2 1 month ago
these false prophets never thought science would be able to uncover their hoax
guayacan07 2 months ago
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"Please don´t read the Book of Mormon and don´t pray for it´s truthfulness"
Antimormons and so-called christians.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
it's not called the "mormon bible" lol
ainigrive 3 months ago
Ha ha ha ha ha ha Wow Joe Blow Smith and his cousin were plagiarists too!! Too funny!!
Hizwilbdun 3 months ago
@Hizwilbdun why dont you read both books instead of basing your life facts of youtube videos!
07cramit 2 months ago
The mormon church's secret combinations is their relationship to freemasonry and the Catholic Church and all other masonic cults that support the ANTICHRISTIAN Zioinist concept. I've been through the temples. I got my secret name, took blood oathes, all that secret handshake crap, all instructed by lucifer's presence as the star at the front of the room... so Satanic? Absolutely. Man becoming God is Satanism. Do some homework. Freemasonry is Satanism at it's highest levels,
contactkim 4 months ago
@contactkim what is the anitchristian zionist concept?
07cramit 2 months ago
Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith
scottwins2 4 months ago
He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty."...his integrity was as firm as the pillars of Heaven. He knew that God had called him to the work, and all powers of earth and hell combined failed either to deter or divert him from his purpose... Gordon B. Hinkley
scottwins2 4 months ago
Be it known... That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates. We also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates.... And it is marvelous in our eyes. we bear testimony of these things. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
scottwins2 4 months ago
@scottwins2
You've stooped to cut and paste spam now.
Here's a question for you.....why did they have to have faith to see the plates?
Jack44M 4 months ago
@Jack44M Ephesians 3:17
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;
Romans 12:3
For I say...but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hebrews 11:33
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
scottwins2 4 months ago
@scottwins2
None of those references have anything to do with the requirement of faith to see something right in front of you....that is, if it's actually there. Do you need faith to see the ground?
Jack44M 4 months ago
That Joseph Smith, Jun.., has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon,... we bear record with words of soberness..., for we have seen and hefted,. And we lie not, God bearing witness....
CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
scottwins2 4 months ago
oops, I spelled ingnorant wrong. :)
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
@clearpathtofollw I give up.
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
Plenty of people have their opionions on who wrote the Book of Mormon. But no one can explain why the book was written. For what purpose? For what gain? Joseph Smith ended up losing his life for what he believed. And by all accounts died a poor man. The book continues to be spread across the World and it's message of Christ is powerful. So I challenge everyone here: For what deceitful purpose was the book written? No one will be able to give me a sufficient, logical answer.
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
I have made a mistake, I have the Manuscript Story by Solomon Spaulding not Manuscript Found.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2
At least you finally admit it.......
Manuscript Found was lost after Spaulding died and the printer went out of business. It's never been published and the original manuscript has never been located.
Jack44M 4 months ago
In 1834, in Mormonism Unvailed, Eber D. Howe attacked the authenticity of the Book of Mormon by adopting Philastus Hurlbut's argument that Sidney Rigdon purloined the "Manuscript Story" of Solomon Spaulding, plagiarized it to compose the Book of Mormon, and gave it to Joseph Smith... During his lifetime Rigdon and members of his family consistently denied any connection with Spaulding, and after the discovery in 1885 of one of Spaulding's manuscripts, the story was discredited
scottwins2 5 months ago
In fact here is a line or two. The "Manuscript Found," or "Manuscript Story," ...actually, the two peoples were brothers only in the sense that they were all children of one God. The Manuscript Story is explicit on this. Speaking to the two nations, Lobaska says, "You have all derived your existence from the great Father of Spirits, you are his children & belong to his great family. Why, then have you thirsted for each others' blood? for the Blood of Brothers?"
scottwins2 5 months ago
I have a copy have read it and would be glad to discuss the story line with anyone.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2
You keep adding one lie on top of another.....or maybe you are too dense to realize Manuscript Found and Manuscript Story are too different books. lol
Jack44M 5 months ago
@Jack44M I've read a lot of your comments. I find it amazing how someone with so little knowledge of the LDS Church thinks he has anything to of merit to say. This is the last Anti-Mormon room I will ever visit. Thank you sir, you have proven my point that only people who are ignorent of the Church speak against it. Those who chose to study and search the depths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will come to a knowledge of Him. Others like yourself will continue to wallow in hate and bitterness.
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
scottwins2, once again, proves he is a liar by saying he's read Manuscript Found. In fact, Manuscript Found WAS NEVER PUBLISHED so it's impossible for him to have read it. lol
Spaulding left it with the printer in Pittsburgh while he tried to raise money to have it published. He died before he got the money together and Manuscript Found disappeared from the printer.
I've never seen a group who lies as much as Mormons do. They will say ANYTHING in defense of their cult
Jack44M 5 months ago
@Jack44M totally agree with u, @scottwins2 is a real treat he is everywhere there will come a time when after somany confrontations against the truth from his part the Lord will deliver him and he will taste what true love is. God bless u all. :)
7wiiskate 4 months ago
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scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2
"I have read both, Manuscript Found, it never mentions God nor Prophet leaders like Moses, nor following Christ in ANYWAY"
......Manuscript Found has never been FOUND so how did you read it? ROFL
You parrot FARMS garbage and don't even know how to do it correctly.
It's their theory of how the BofM came to be. B.H. Roberts presented much better parallel information from View of the Hebrews and the BofM. VoftheH is a more probable source.
Jack44M 5 months ago
Spaulding's Manuscript Story (Oberlin College) has about a dozen parallels between it and the BofM, but as I posted earlier, View of the Hebrews is a more likely candidate for the framework for the BofM....and there is a direct connection between Howe and Cowdery.
Jack44M 5 months ago
@Jack44M No facts as usual, As I have said and you cannot deliver. ONE SENTANCE THAT IS THE SAME IN EACH BOOK AND YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT, THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SILENT ON THE MATTER.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2
Share the link where you read Manuscript FOUND. It was never published you idiot. ROFL
Jack44M 5 months ago
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scottwins2 5 months ago
@Jack44M The 175-page Manuscript Found was first published as a 115-page monograph in 1885, some seventy years after the death of its author, Solomon Spaulding. The only known manuscript was lost from 1839 until its discovery in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1884. It was published by both the Latter-day Saints and Reorganized Latter Day Saint churches to refute critics that it had served as an original source document for the Book of Mormon, supposedly supplied to Joseph Smith by Sidney Rigdon.
scottwins2 5 months ago
...That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates... which have the appearance of gold...we did handle with our hands... we also saw the engravings thereon...that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
scottwins2 5 months ago
Dr.Philastus Hurlbut, who was excommunicated from the Church in June 1833. Desiring to discredit his former coreligionists, Hurlbut set out... to refute Joseph Smith's claims for the origins of the Book of Mormon. He interviewed... Spaulding's family, who swore that there were precise similarities between Spaulding's work and the Book of Mormon. He also located the neglected manuscript, but must have been disappointed to discover that it had no demonstrable connection with the Book of Mormon.
scottwins2 5 months ago
In 1977, graphologists claimed to have detected similarities between the handwriting of Spaulding and of one of the scribes who transcribed some of the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith's dictation. After considerable media attention and further scrutiny, anti-Mormon spokespersons acknowledged that they had been too hasty. The handwriting evidence did not support a connection between Solomon Spaulding and Joseph Smith.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 And you got this off of what??? Mormon Wiki??? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Lance D. Chase, Maxwell Institute and with that comment since it gives you nowhere to go and certainly you cannot find ONE SENTANCE that ole Joe stole from Ol Doc Spaulding. I find the witnesses of The Book of Mormon compelling yet you turn a blind eye. I am done here have your last cutting word. Critics or excommunicated bitter people like you try to thump on the Mormons for yet never concider the LDS faith just may be true and The Book of Morman is as well.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 The Maxwell Institute?? Another offshoot of LDS Shillsters, Inc.
L.D.S. = L,.ie + D.eceive + S.idestep
You're doing all of those things. You're attempting to create the illusion of disagreement in the one area where we seem to agree. You keep going back to "demanding one sentence" AFTER I've made it clear that plagiarism is not the issue Parallelism IS the issue. Now, objective thinkers & LDS Investigators can see the lengths that Mormons will go to in order to obfuscate the truth.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
Since 1946, no serious student of Mormonism has given the Spaulding Manuscript theory much credibility. In that year, Fawn Brodie published No Man Knows My History. This biography of Joseph Smith, hostile to his prophetic claims, dismissed the idea of any connection between Spaulding and Smith or their writings. Rigdon first met Joseph Smith in December 1830 after the Book of Mormon was published.
scottwins2 5 months ago
All I have asked if you can show ONE PARAGRAPH that is the same in the entire 175 pages of mauscript and you can't do it, period. Lets see, lets make it eisier for you show me one sentance that is the same ONE! Surely the great deceiver Joseph Smith would have stolen ONE sentance to steal a whole book! Oops sorry you can't do that either. amazing you blow off Joseph Smiths witnesses and yet you claim none.
scottwins2 5 months ago
That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
scottwins2 5 months ago
... That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
scottwins2 5 months ago
Lives Give me a break! Show me ONE Paragraph in the whole book of Spaulding that is the same in the Book of Mormon that is the same. Tell me about the story lines where are they the same, show me? NO YOU CAN'T! Spauldings work is a piece of crap! I doubt if you have read either. As before NOT ONE PERSON will answer me SHOW me where he has copied Spaulding or shut the hell up
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 Let's begin with the introduction, and examine the parallels between "Manuscript Found" and BoM. The introduction to the Spaulding work claims that its author was walking near Conneaut, Ohio (about 150 miles west of the place in New York where Joseph Smith obtained the gold plates), when he discovered an inscribed, flat stone. This he raised with a lever, uncovering a cave in which lay a stone box containing twenty-eight rolls of parchment. The writing was in Latin.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@scottwins2 Going into a little cyber-tantrum, are you?? A character in Spaulding's writing possessed a seer stone used to "translate......just like the magic rocks SmYth used!! imagine that!! tHere's more, but I'll leave you to throw your little tantrum. Get back with me after you've grown up a bit.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Since you could not give me a paragraph try finding one sentance that is the same ONE! YOU CAN'T!!!! Why? because that book was supposed to be a love stroy of a indian prince and princess. The Book of Mormon A Family coming to the Americas and Christs dealings with them. Boy those story lines match up.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 Once again, you are attempting to do the LDS Sidestep; attempting to confuse parallelisms with plagiarism. I've made it clear that plagiarism is not the issue at hand. Parallelisms are the issue. I offered one example of those parallelisms which are clear to anyone with the mental discipline to examine Spaulding's introduction with Smyth's story about his fabled gold plates. Study further, we find fables of travels to the new world, and other commonalities in the story lines.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@scottwins2 We also know that Spaulding attempted to write "Manuscript Lost" in (poorly constructed) Elizabethan English. SmYth also wrote B.o.M. in the same poorly constructed writing styles of Elizabethan English used by Spaulding, along with his over-used "And it came to pass" phrases. Problem is that the time of King James and BoM do not coincide at all. The Spaulding-Rigdon connection is also clear, although LDS has attempted to deny that. Of course, LDS's denials don't withstand scrutiny.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives SHOW ME A PARAGRAPH THAT IS THE SAME IN BOTH BOOKS , YOU CANNOT DO IT. In fact You are saying that if someone decided to write a book on the Civil war in Atlanta you would say it was copied from Gone With The Wind.. what a joke. Still waiting for that paragraph out of all that writng that is the same.. Plus Joseph had winesses. to how he got his work. A Witness? why how dare he have witnesses.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 Dude, you are as thick headed as you are lacking in reading comprehension skills. All anyone need do is scroll down and read our discourses, and your attempts at sidestepping and straw-man arguments become clear. all you are doing now is attempting to divert the matters back to plagiary; matters which I've already repeatedly addressed. Your tactics are in keeping with the same, lame, failed attempts by LDS to sidestep and divert topics afield from their original focuses.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@scottwins2 This is the reply I left you yesterday.
"Borrowing from the story lines, then crafting them to fit The Book of Mormon WAS NOT EXACTLY PLAGIARISM per se, but it was deceitful."
Now, it's clear beating this dead horse.because you are unable to address or rebut the points that I have made. Your attempts to sidestep and deceive clearly are not supported by our discourse. All you're doing now is wasting my time and demonstrating your foolishness.
L.D.S. = L.ie D.eceive S.idestep
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@scottwins2 I laughing at what they write sometimes. In my country we call them"pastruladas"
dorisfenella 5 months ago
@dorisfenella Thank you I finally found a sane person on here.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 And the people that makes them are called "pastrulos".
They are not for taking serious.
Greets from Perú.
dorisfenella 5 months ago
@dorisfenella Peru! Very nice, love to go there someday. For a real treat my friend go to "Andrea Bocelli Best Song Ever on the YUTBE here. It it is beautiful"
scottwins2 5 months ago
David Whitmer was asked about the plates, the interviewer recorded: He explained that he saw the plates, and with his natural eyes, but he had to be prepared for it--that he and the other witnesses were overshadowed by the power of God and a halo of brightness indescribable.Paul understood describing spiritual experiences:I knew a man in Christ...., (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
scottwins2 5 months ago
screw all of you i wrote it put that in yer anti!!!
NikolaiCroft 5 months ago
@NikolaiCroft I just checked my customer order list for the "Reformed Egyptian For Dummies!!" kits that I market, and your name is NOT on that list!! Without "Reformed Egyptian for Dummies!!", (Magic rocks, hat, and electroplated gold-like tablets.... all for $149.95 + Shipping and Handling!!) you could not have possibly written The Book of Mormon!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
...That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates... which have the appearance of gold...we did handle with our hands... we also saw the engravings thereon...that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. CHRISTIAN WHITMER, JACOB WHITMER, PETER WHITMER, JUN., JOHN WHITMER, HIRAM PAGE, JOSEPH SMITH, SEN., HYRUM SMITH, SAMUEL H. SMITH
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 Or, so they claimed..... but if Joseph SmYth "translated" the so-called golden plates, then why were his changes so inaccurate?? Obviously, they were because there have been some very serious changes made to The Book of Mormon!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives The Book of Mormon has experienced Editorial changes only which is common for any book, from the proof readers to the printer to the people who wanted to make it in verse form. No problem
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 So, the Nephites suddenly went from being "fair, white & delightsome" to being "fair, pure and delightsome" because of poor proofreading?? That change was made in 1976, when LDS was under fire for their racist practices. Took long enough to spot that error!! Then the Lamanites went from being "the principle ancestors" of the Amerindians, to being "among the ancestors", which coincided with the time that DNA research was discrediting BoM?? Right!! No problem....
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@scottwins2 The gold plated that Joseph SmYth "translated" were in a language called "Reformed Egyptian". (for which there in no credible anthropological evidence) The Bible was translated into Elizabethan English during the rule of King James in 1611. Since the times of The Book of Mormon were allegedly from +/- 2600BC to sometime past 600BC, then one must ask why Joseph's "translations" were worded in Elizabethan English. See, Joe didn't do his homework before concocting the BoM fables.
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
... That we..., have seen the plates which contain this record.... And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon... And it is marvelous in our eyes. OLIVER COWDERY, DAVID WHITMER, MARTIN HARRIS
scottwins2 6 months ago
Show me one page in The Book of Mormon that is the same as Solomon Spaulding manuscript, there is none, thats a fact. As usual no one will respond with an answer.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 Nice attempt to sidestep the truth, but you fail. SmYth used the story lines of Solomon Spalding's writings, "Manuscript Found". Borrowing from the story lines, then crafting them to fit The Book of Mormon was not exactly "plagiarism" per se, but it was deceitful. Joseph SmYth's life was riddled with one act of deceit after another. After borrowing from Spalding's writings, he "translated" the fabled gold plated into...... Elizabethan English?? He got his time-frames all wrong!!
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Lives Give me a break! Show me ONE Paragraph in the whole book of Spaulding that is the same in the Book of Mormon that is the same. Tell me about the story lines where are they the same, show me? NO YOU CAN'T! Spauldings work is a piece of crap! I doubt if you have read either. As before NOT ONE PERSON will answer me SHOW me where he has copied Spaulding or shut the hell up
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2 No, I will not "give you a break". There is a 500 character limit, so it might be a good idea for you to get off your lazy Mormon ass ad do some legitimate research. "The Mormon Curtain" offers excellent insights pertaining to that matter.
See: Specifically: "Here Is An Excerpt From Solomon Spaulding’s Manuscript"
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
Parley P. Pratt Who can withstand the Almighty, or frustrate his purposes? Herod died of a loathsome disease, and transmitted to posterity his fame as a tyrant and murderer. And Lilburn W. Boggs is dragging out a remnant of existence in California, with the mark of Cain upon his brow, and the fear of Cain within his heart, lest he that findeth him shall slay him. He is a living stink, and will go down to posterity with the credit of a wholesale murderer.
scottwins2 6 months ago
“I honor and revere the name of Joseph Smith. I delight to hear it; I love it. I love his doctrine. I feel like shouting Hallelujah, all the time, when I think that I ever knew Joseph Smith, the Prophet whom the Lord raised up. I am bold to say that, Jesus Christ excepted, no better man ever lived or does live upon this earth. I am his witness. Brigham Young..... I feel the same way, Joseph smith was a great man for being killed innocently by a mob at the age of 38.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 Ur the typical personage of a mormon, honoring man and accepting lies, do u really enjoy living and defending liers ?*¿ would ur world crumble that much if u were to denounce the lies u know are lies ? Deep inside ur heart & mind u´ve been troubled by ALL EVIDENCE of the false bom and its fathers for years. You dont need to be in bondage no-more. Jesus of the Bible is willing to give u FREEDOM. Say goodbye to the bad guys. :)
7wiiskate 6 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
Show me one verse that is the same in both books there is not one.NOT ONE! what a joke.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 Well fellow Mormon, there are a lot of Book of Mormon verses that parallel or repeat a few bible verses. But I say, God's word is final and is worth repeating. Keep the faith and the courage to "fight" against these hatemongers bro.
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2
....virtue and chastity....Smith actually said that !?! That's pretty disgusting
I'll bet he said that while he was marrying teenage girls and other men's wives.
Jack44M 4 months ago
@Jack44M Hell may pour forth its rage like the burning lava of Mount Vesuvius . . . and yet shall "Mormonism" stand. . . . God is the author of it. He is our shield. . . . It was by Him we received the Book of Mormon; and it is by Him that we remain unto this day; and by Him we shall remain, if it shall be for our glory; and in His Almighty name we are determined to endure tribulation as good soldiers unto the end. Joseph Smith
scottwins2 4 months ago
@scottwins2 God wants no part of something so disgusting and filthy full of blasphemy like the book of mormon, mormonism is satans invention..
Theeagerburger 2 months ago
@Theeagerburger have you ever read the book of mormon? can you name one thing it says in it? gaga
07cramit 2 months ago
@Theeagerburger Did the eagerurger ever make it back onto YT?
IExposeMormonism 2 months ago
@IExposeMormonism I have NO clue man, your guess is as good as mine. My guess that with eagerurger's history that I would say no.. but I could be wrong
Theeagerburger 2 months ago
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@Jack44m I've told you and you still troll. Pathetic.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
First Article of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
scottwins2 6 months ago
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@scottwins2 I gave up on the shil parrots that troll this site a long time ago. They are lost souls.
LDS4Life71 6 months ago
As far as Temple ordinances? The ordinaces of the Temple during Christs time in Jerusulem are not memteioned either because they are sacred and different from normanl teaching to people. Is Christ prejudice? maybe since he spok in parables so people would not understand him. suggestng he wanted only certain people to know the fuull doctrine of the church.
scottwins2 6 months ago
Spalding? HA Ha HA I have copyof the manuscript and there is nothing that is the same at all, How far will people reach? Thge book of Mormon stands alone another Witness of Christ as the Bible and yet Christ is not mentioned once in the Spalding manuscript. I am still suprised people don't use it for firewood, garbage actually.
scottwins2 6 months ago
"The Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on this Earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2
If it's the most correct book, why has it been corrected thousands of times? Smith got it word for word from God through his magic rock....it should be just as God dictated it to him. Instead it gets changed over and over again.
If that's the book that will get someone closer to God, where in the BofM are the temple ordinances Mormons say are required for exaltation? Where in the BofM does it state God is an exalted man?
Jack44M 6 months ago
@Jack44M Not that it will matter to you in anyway since you are not willing to aCcept anything, but The Book of Mormon was written very quickly under trying cercumstancees. It went to press quickly as well. The printer made corrections and it was even editied during successive printings which is normal for an book. Changes in story line or doctrine? none. Its a moote point and critics such as yoself already know it. AS FAR A CHAGES OVER AND OVER THIS IS NOT THE CASE SHOW ME WHERE.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2
Let me understand clearly what you are saying.....Who is responsible for the horrible grammar in the 1830 edition?
As far as changes that affected doctrine....how about the change from Mary giving birth to God and then changed to insert "the son of". THAT is a huge difference. I have more, but I'd like to hear your explanation of those first.
Jack44M 6 months ago
@Jack44M Christ and God are synonymous. He is part of the Godhead and and stands on the right hand of the Father. Son of God reads better apparently. Editorial License has been used for hundreds of years. But NO! you can't do that to this book they cry! We believe that Christ and the Father are one in purpose. In any Mormon literature speaking of Christ, He is our Father in the sence of our baptism and rebirth, or born up out of the water and cleansed from sin.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 certainly an obnoscious statement, its a pity u proclaim the man and his work instead of the one Supreme Creator, oh yeah i remember i read about those who would do that in the Bible God´s Word. :)
7wiiskate 6 months ago
@7wiiskate You seem to be a very One dimentional thinker, The Book of Mormon Is a companion book to the Bible which is not a book by the way. Its a Library of books so comes the word in Greek "Biblio". The Book of Mormon itself THEACHES Christ. Might do to read it before you complain about it. Actually I praise Moses too for bringing forth Genisis, Exodus, Numbers and Deuteromony. Jesus Christ was not mentioned once in those books.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 if we comment about lds is because we have extensive knowledge of ur organization, ur faith base-mechanism to incite a so-called truth by way of insisting in a ¨i know the church... i know the prophet...¨ its strictly bout of a One dimensional thinker like urself!! Just because u repeat how ur church is the truth over & over again and how u have mascheraded it 2appear as in the initial church does not authenticate ur statements, satan is a master at that. U have been deceived...
7wiiskate 6 months ago
@7wiiskate Interesting, you didn't comment on the last thread i wrote, poor Moses.
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 i didnt have 2 comment on Moses didnt think u wanted me2. but u did paid no attention 2my comment or others on this panel. ur delusion rejects all common sense not say FACTS, the Lord is One yes we will always agree on that and salvation thru Jesus but ur BOM is a fraud taking undeniable history from the Bible and somehow adhering ur lies to make it pass as a continuation of the 1st. Say no to feelings and trust Gods word. U need nomore 2believe in. run 4ur life.
7wiiskate 6 months ago
@7wiiskate I PRAY TO THE GOD JESUS PRAYED TO DO YOU?
scottwins2 6 months ago
@scottwins2 i knew this would happen. Have a nice awakening, i really mean it. God bless.
7wiiskate 6 months ago
@7wiiskate You claim to know about our Church. If that were true, and if you have read the Book of Mormon, then you would know that the book testifies of Christ. Instead, you simply regurgitate tired, cliche lies about the Mormon Church as if they were your own ideas. That is what I call one-dimensional thinking dude. As far as Satan deceiving people, I read the anger in your words and I have to wonder from what source you've been given that anger. Hmm??
clearpathtofollw 5 months ago
@clearpathtofollw has every person that read the bom accepted its content? reading such a book should and would testify 2the reader to believe its entirety? how absurd from ur part 2 think this. i do know about ur church history and probably more than u when it comes to doctrines and nature of God that violently contradicts the Bible. I am not against the lds believer but against the system that imposes their belief which leads to eternal destruction. if by truth & anger i may snatch 1 away ...
7wiiskate 5 months ago
@clearpathtofollw (2) from the clutches of deception then i should proceed like this always. Ur interpretation of Gods love is vague, there is a war, many souls are at stake, this must be proclaimed as boldly as when Jesus overturned the tables outside the temple and shut everyone else. ( he might have been with anger) read ur Bible about how God gets when in anger. may he bless u with the truth.
7wiiskate 5 months ago
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 6 months ago
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ALL WRONG , The book of mormon has the wrong animals , wrong place, wrong crops , wrong weapons , wrong metals , wrong language , wrong culture. There is nothing that even resembles Mayan architecture & culture in Smith "lost tribe of hebrews" story . The moroni challenge is dismissive of proof.
kramd1 6 months ago
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54v115 7 months ago
If your mormon, your a gullible retard! Wow, you people and your 25 retarded cult family member actually believe this bullshit?!
MrTroll171 7 months ago
Just bought the book, hopefully it will shed some light on the text's origin. Unfortunately this book will probably be more about destroying Mormonism or preaching protestant christianity instead of a valid objective interest in historical truth for its own sake.
drewskione 7 months ago
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Mormonism is a masonic cult created to introduce the antichrist. They covertly support the concept of a bloodline of Jesus. IT is EXTREME SATANIC EVIL. I have been through the temples, I am a Sinclair that their Da Vinci Code tries to feign as a bloodline of Jesus to covertly suggest that Jesus was merely a man, a teacher. It is absolutely about gold, not the truth. The Knights Templar inquisitioned in France resulted in their fleeing to America. For which Mormonism capitalizes on w fraud
contactkim 8 months ago
Mormonism is a masonic cult created to introduce the antichrist. They covertly support the concept of a bloodline of jesus. IT is EXTREME SATANIC EVIL. I have been through the temples, I am a Sinclair that their Da Vinci code tries to feign as a bloodline of jesus to covertly suggest that jesus was merely a man, a teacher. It is absolutely about gold, not the truth. The Knights Templar inquisitioned in France resulted in their fleeing to America. For which Mormonism capitalizes on w fraud
contactkim 8 months ago
@contactkim Hahahahaha..sorry..*breathes* hahahaha..your knowledge of Satanism is clearly profound!
michael616joaquin 8 months ago
jaja ja ja. The book of Spaulding were after the Book of Mormon and there´s no conection with him and the prophet Joseph Smith.
dorisfenella 8 months ago
He restored the book of mormon ...He didnt make it...prophets from the old times wrote it like Nephi
coolman090909 9 months ago
@coolman090909 watch "the bible vs. the book of mormon" There isn't a shred of truth in the book of mormon. Do your research. He didn't restore anything, he reinforced a lie.
BasicInsB4LvingEarth 8 months ago
Spalding, Swedenborg, The Bible - combined makes for a Great work and wonder, The Book of Mormon.
54v115 9 months ago
@54v115 what! adding the bible Word of God with the writings of spalding and swedenborg makes it great? It's exactly opposite to what the Bible says in Revelation 22:19-20. Think about it mormon guys. It is absolutely detestable to God since God is Holy and these 2 writers are fallible in nature. How can a holy God allows other earthly ideas to be a part of His Holy Book. Please the Bible and you will see the truth.
leojou0619 9 months ago
@leojou0619 - tongue in cheek my dear fellow... and please don't put me with mormons..lol.. I have a brain and can see the truth... I'm actually a christian.. only one God, The trinity and all that... the point is.. when Smithy plagiarised the writings of the works mentioned... it made teh BOM.. i.e a work and a wonder - NOT! No harm done.. have a good one!
54v115 9 months ago
@leojou0619 - I'm not a mormon and I detest mormonism.. hence my stab at them... i'm Christian .. not one of these mislead wannabe's .... all the best.
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Oh, YEAH! That's right.
Your faith is right, but mormon's who feel the same way about their faith are "mislead wannabe's." Surely you can see the flaw in your own reasoning?
I'm not a mormon and I detest mormonism. I also detest people who feel they are right and others are wrong when there is no evidence for EITHER being right. There is, however, substantial evidence that both are WRONG.
mcollinsblog 7 months ago
@mcollinsblog - OK.. let's try it this way.. mormons believe themselves to be christian. Their doctrine contradicts the Bible Canon directly and clearly. Is Christianity right? that's for you to decide..I don't care if you believe or not. But, mormonism ISN't what the LDS claim it to be, which is the ONLY true church (Christian Church where no other religion is true either). So you see my logic isn't flawed my friend. Christians do not recognise LDS to be Christian. That is the issue here -
54v115 7 months ago
THIS MAKES ME SICK! I'm MORMON AND PROUD OF IT!!!! NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE OR EVERYONE SAYS
0LittleDancerGurl0 9 months ago
@0LittleDancerGurl0 Just as there's someone in the other side of the world that thinks exactly like you about Islam. Are both both of you brainwashed or are both of you right?
rickyperu22 9 months ago
@0LittleDancerGurl0 still you would be proud even if you know that LDS is not in the biblical truth?
leojou0619 9 months ago
@0LittleDancerGurl0 I know what you feel because that 'sick feeling' you're getting is called cognitive dissonance. Its when your ideas and beliefs conflict with reality. I used to think it was 'the spirit' warning me (as i was told growing up) until I did some research of my own and went to college.
ShatterYourillusions 9 months ago
@ShatterYourillusions they really gonna hate u ( dislike in mormon language ) but the truth should hurt and be accepted in whatever realm of life, it is so scary 2know there´re ppl with the intentions to serve God but have been deceive 2 the point where their eternity with God has been compromised. lets not give up even if it makes us sick 2our stomachs hear their cries of their church & prophets.
7wiiskate 6 months ago
@7wiiskate hah well, when i realized it doesn't matter what religion you side with, you are still going to hell in 99% of all the other ones that maybe 'God' isn't the one in charge of religion. Its a form of mind control different cultures use to keep loyalty to their parents and communities. Nothing more.
Its a much better question to ask God/yourself to be free of anything that is not true rather than if something is true.
ShatterYourillusions 5 months ago
Mormon's are a Bunch of Jack Off's.....and YES they are a derranged Cult.
charger2538 10 months ago
I might have a go at writing my own holy book too; just like Joe Smith and that Mohammed fella.
wolverine37x 10 months ago
@wolverine37x Ur so stupid!
coolman090909 7 months ago
Got lots of testimony, but you don't have Rigdon meeting Smith till after the printing of the Book of Mormon.
You got a lot of speculation and no fact, at least most Anti's lie, you go ever lower just fabricate things that never happened! LOL
ViCe1986 10 months ago
Anyone who does any research can see that the Solomon Spalding connection is ridiculous.
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CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and the Earth. Joseph Smith says that God was a sinful man born on a planet and that he later became a God. They cannot both be right. The LDS church teaches that men will become Gods. In the book of Isaiah God says 10 times that there are no other Gods. Either Joseph Smith was a false prophet or Isaiah was a false prophet.
IndianaJesusfreak 11 months ago
@IndianaJesusfreak ... or maybe you have NO CLUE how to interprate scripture!! hahaha how many Gods are there right now?? Father, Son and Holy Ghost ... or am I wrong?? He said that men WILL become Gods ... has it happened yet?? So did ya miss the interpretation or are we just stupid? You do know that the God that Created the Heavensand the Earth... was Christ, right? or did you miss that too? :)
carstoniandus1 10 months ago