@Sk8aterBoy132 The stone in their pocket marks that they have counted to twenty. So one mark such as a stone represents the number 20. The stone was to keep track, it was a habbit, more than a "rule".
Curious to know how these numbers were recorded. I think counting sticks were used, and also the roman numerals are supposedly based on notches (that's why they're all I, V, X, because they're easy to carve)
It may be clearer to say that the underlying scheme is Welsh as formerly spoken in England, rather than 'English', overlaid with a repeating scheme of two rhyming pairs followed by a multiple of 5 (5=pump, 10=deg, 15=pymtheg, 20=ugain in Welsh), so at 3/4 you attempt to rhyme 'tri' (3) and 'pedwar' (4) and end up with forms like 'tethera/lethera'. Other pairs have obviously developed over some 15 centuries and may or may not ('hovera/covera') be based on the original words.
What wasn't mentioned is that these numbers live on in children's nursery ryhmes. Hickory, Dickory, Dock for example. Or Eeny Meen Miney Mo are counting ryhmes and though the spelling has changed, the numbers can be traced back to those discussed.
As a sheepherder, I count with the fingers of my two hands and curl my fingers to keep tabs. When I run out of dik fingers, I have to reuse my hands' fingers and upgrade the countholding words given to my fingers. Perhaps I'll name my sheep after my hands' counting fingers!
This episode made me sad and a little angry. For many years 15 has been a special number for me because it is the "Sum of the digits of the divisors black-hole"
Take any natural number and you will be swallowed up. If you think that this does not work for 1 then remember that we take 1 AND the number you selected: 1+1=2; 1+2=3; 1+3=4; 1+2+4=7; 1+7=8; 1+2+4+8=15.
hi, i think that a lot of people would like to see more videos on theories and that kinda stuff (like schrodinger's cat, the higgs boson, ghost particles, etc. on sixty symbols), and less on individual numbers (not saying they're not interesting, just giving an opinion)
It's extremely similar to Welsh, which also counts in base twenty. The words are also very similar: Five is Pump, but pronounced pimp; Ten is Deg which is also pronounced like dik; Fifteen is Pumtheg rather then bumfit. But it's still almost the same- and I can tell you the reason 15 is pumtheg is because it's a portmaneau of pump and deg (five and ten), but the 'deg' is mutated into 'dd' due to Welsh's language rules. 'dd' is the same as 'th' almost, and so we get pumtheg!
That's really interesting... though I wouldn't call this language 'English'; it's more like 'Welsh'. I know Cumbrian shepherds used to use this system and Cumbria was part of what was known as 'Yr Hen Gogledd', 'The Old North', a region, like Wales or Cornwall, of Brythonic Celtic speakers, isolated by the influx of Germanic speakers further to the East. Very interesting video, though,
@MrBoyuki Agreed, but the native english during celtic times were unique to Welsh or Gaelic or Breton or Cornish, but their culture (and so language) was almost completely decimated by invaders and immigrants.
American English has at least two multi-syllable digits - "Zero" and "Seven", and where it's important: "Niner". "Dik" and "Pimp" would be an improvement.
@Beibyface -- if you were rich enough for 400 sheep back then, you probably could afford to hire a dedicated sheperd-mathematician to deal with your vast flock. (-:
I am highly amused by a pimpdik being a bumfit, and a pimp and two diks being a figgit in a sheperds mind... I wonder if it's just because of modern slang, or if they actually were awusing these words in the same sense at the time.
@gulllars The definitions we have for those words are completely different, our slang wasn't even created back in their time. For the shepards, those words were just numbers
Wow, after having read a fair bit on base 20 systems of other cultures, I find out that my own culture (Welsh) still has a base 20 system of number recorded in its language. Thanks, fantastic video; as all ways.
Read all about this in "Alex's Adventures in Numberland". Dr. James Grime (aka singingbanana) did do a shameless plug on it a while ago... It's a good book about fun with maths.
Also, a pimp+bumfit=figgit. These are some mighty big coinkydinks...
Dont mind the haters! I love this kind of math! Math is not just counting it's a bit history in math, and aswell learning about other cultures math. Keep it going! I love this!
@numberphile I admit I tittered at bumfit! However apart from the stones we still count in a very similar fashion - 0 to 19 each have their own names and then we adopt multipliers of ten. So in essence we incorporate the base 20 nomenclature within a decimal system each and every day.
@numberphile ok, thank you for the explanation and sorry for being a little harsh with my reaction to the video... i think it is a matter of taste, i really prefer the "heavy-hearted" videos
wow your the dick
lea3441 1 day ago
dick rrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
lea3441 1 day ago
a pimp and a dik gets you a whaaaa?????
frjohnv1 3 days ago
Oh god i love math XD
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TheThreeUnited 4 days ago
isn't it base 21? base 20 would stop at 19 and then they would put a stone in their pocket
Sk8aterBoy132 5 days ago
@Sk8aterBoy132 The stone in their pocket marks that they have counted to twenty. So one mark such as a stone represents the number 20. The stone was to keep track, it was a habbit, more than a "rule".
TheThreeUnited 4 days ago
A pimp + a Dik = Bumfit
pimp + dik + pimp = figget
dik+dik = figget
did some time traveler play some joke on the celts? XD
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I think he meant before the angles and saxons came.. the romans were a whole other influence on the language.
Nightwind0 1 week ago
figgit^2+1=oshet
akashashen 1 week ago
a pimp + a dik = a bum fit
StuziCamis 1 week ago
this prof is awesome
dblitroot 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Dammit, i was hoping it would be pimpdick
b7768 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
Press 0 then 6
Uglubugl 2 weeks ago
pimp is 5 in welsh. It's spelt "pump" though.
Never fails to make the 11 y/o in me giggle...
Spoonfoon 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Fear the day you gather 401 sheep.
hudsondw48 3 weeks ago
@hudsondw48 that's a lot of diks!
ImaFirinMaiLayz0r 1 week ago
I really like how he's doodling while he admits to be juvenile...
raydredX 3 weeks ago 2
pimp+dick=MegaDick
MedaDick+Pimp=MegaHoeTrampler
ShadowKnightz2236 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from numberphile
pimp(2)=dick
dick(2)=figgit
any more than that and you get stoned
figisligit 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos 4
I wonder if this is why adulthood is considered to be 21.
HaslamCorp 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
i don't know why this video makes me laugh so hard
watchit2341 4 weeks ago
Absolutely georgeous.
jugglars 1 month ago
this is freakin hilarious! i like how he keeps his cool saying those words :D
danjoelabrenica 1 month ago
This is hilarious! xD
TheGerogero 1 month ago
pimp + dick = bumfit
Nadeeja94 1 month ago
2 pimps with a dik make a faggit :3
Tinnitus92 1 month ago
i see 2 pimps with diks are figgits
RawrImaMunkyXD 1 month ago in playlist More videos from numberphile 2
this is going in favorites
TheAlen081 1 month ago
he is such a figgit!!!
plomo221 1 month ago
press 6 for dick
MLGRecognize 1 month ago
He needs to hire the guy from minutephysics to draw the sheep.
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Sheep + Dik + Pimp = A horny welshman
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1pnoe 1 month ago
Note: 2 diks make a figgit,
HoorayBier 1 month ago 114
@HoorayBier OMG I laughed so hard
Th1s1sMyAcc0untNam3 1 month ago in playlist Meer video's van numberphile
@HoorayBier Hahahahahahaha 2 diks make a figgit = 2 dicks make a faggot
DelphianSociety 2 weeks ago
Curious to know how these numbers were recorded. I think counting sticks were used, and also the roman numerals are supposedly based on notches (that's why they're all I, V, X, because they're easy to carve)
werdnativ 2 months ago
Yan, tan, tethera… That sounds familliar.
Desmaad 2 months ago
Base 20......maybe celtic sheppards walked around bare-footed......20 digits :)
carlsontechnology 2 months ago
I got a huge Dik.
What? I got a huge 10?
EpicTurtle42 2 months ago
@EpicTurtle42 But does it Bumfit.
pauldve 2 months ago
Pimp + dic + pimp = figgit
Pimp + dick + pimp = faggot
: D
VmkRocks3 2 months ago
It may be clearer to say that the underlying scheme is Welsh as formerly spoken in England, rather than 'English', overlaid with a repeating scheme of two rhyming pairs followed by a multiple of 5 (5=pump, 10=deg, 15=pymtheg, 20=ugain in Welsh), so at 3/4 you attempt to rhyme 'tri' (3) and 'pedwar' (4) and end up with forms like 'tethera/lethera'. Other pairs have obviously developed over some 15 centuries and may or may not ('hovera/covera') be based on the original words.
dajwilkinson 2 months ago
Does anyone else notice so many comments labeled under "This comment has received too many negative votes"?
anticorncob6 2 months ago
when were these videos filmed
amazingjohngormley 2 months ago
@amazingjohngormley About three months ago for bumfit 15.
MrOldprof 1 month ago
who else thought 15 was going to be pimpadick??
TheiPwn3G 2 months ago
So... 4 diks is a figgit?
ScienceHideout 2 months ago
how can he say "a pimp plus a dick is bumfit" with such a straight face xD
blablacababa 2 months ago 5
5 - Pimp (Prostitutes boss)
10 - Dick (Penis)
15 - Bumfit (Gay sex)
20 - Fig it (Male mastibation)
100 therefore equals - The sex trade.
TheExaltedPheonix 2 months ago
What wasn't mentioned is that these numbers live on in children's nursery ryhmes. Hickory, Dickory, Dock for example. Or Eeny Meen Miney Mo are counting ryhmes and though the spelling has changed, the numbers can be traced back to those discussed.
bwallx 2 months ago 2
they cant make this stuff up... xD
Huwatts 2 months ago
lol
Rayden440 2 months ago
You got me with:
A pimp plus a dick is a bumfit.
1203125 2 months ago 3
hovera.... covera.... dick???
ErosSharma 2 months ago
As a sheepherder, I count with the fingers of my two hands and curl my fingers to keep tabs. When I run out of dik fingers, I have to reuse my hands' fingers and upgrade the countholding words given to my fingers. Perhaps I'll name my sheep after my hands' counting fingers!
ohwhererehwho 2 months ago
I didn't know the Celts were such pervs.
DerSchnurrbart 2 months ago 103
@DerSchnurrbart It's a product of coincidence, no more.
Desmaad 2 months ago
I didn't know German numbers were so dirty.
JonathonMcStrudel 2 months ago
Pump is five in Welsh, if no one has mentioned.
dekuben 2 months ago
"I find, as I get older, I immature with age." That gave me a good laugh!
MrXxMasters 2 months ago 4
He does not explain it wery well, but this video is stil good before sleep.
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I'm tan-a-dik and what is this?
pwstokes225 2 months ago
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pwstokes225 2 months ago
im bumfit years old
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Pimp + Dick + Pimp = Faggot?
oh figgit
darkdudironaji 2 months ago
Concluding watching this video, I facepalmed, and thought about how many comments would be made about the names of the numbers.
xDarkAnsem 2 months ago 4
Please do one on 30
30Finix 2 months ago
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2 pimps and a dick is a faggot. those ancient guys were hilarious
jazzman425 2 months ago
pimp+dick=bumfit hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
jazzman425 2 months ago
we still use pimp for 5 in welsh, but if i remember from school its spelled "pump" in welsh anyway
matt8291A1 2 months ago
I'd like to see a video about the base of natural logs and why they're used. Why not just stick with base ten and Logs.
TheBandScanner 2 months ago
Pimp?! Dick?! LOL
str3123 2 months ago
5 = pimp
10 = dick
haha
grande1899 2 months ago
pimp+dick?
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Jtw101298 2 months ago
hahaha pimp+dick+pimp=figgith whahahah am i the only one seeing this ??
mirkan495 2 months ago 3
@mirkan495 Oh irony makes me feel so smart! ^_^
damianpaz 2 months ago
This episode made me sad and a little angry. For many years 15 has been a special number for me because it is the "Sum of the digits of the divisors black-hole"
Take any natural number and you will be swallowed up. If you think that this does not work for 1 then remember that we take 1 AND the number you selected: 1+1=2; 1+2=3; 1+3=4; 1+2+4=7; 1+7=8; 1+2+4+8=15.
recklessroges 2 months ago
hi, i think that a lot of people would like to see more videos on theories and that kinda stuff (like schrodinger's cat, the higgs boson, ghost particles, etc. on sixty symbols), and less on individual numbers (not saying they're not interesting, just giving an opinion)
ChRIs23696 2 months ago
Pimp+dick= Bum-Fit
Whoah that's some great maths ;)
TheAvenger154 2 months ago
Talking about diks and pimps and still having educational value. Not what you'd first expect.
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MultiAhka 2 months ago
Oh I love this!
porkypine1888 2 months ago in playlist More videos from numberphile
Search youtube for "molly metcalfe", a song by Jake Thackray based on the Swaledale version of these numbers.
jobriath85 2 months ago
There are five pimps in my neighbourhood
odaymustdie 2 months ago
It's extremely similar to Welsh, which also counts in base twenty. The words are also very similar: Five is Pump, but pronounced pimp; Ten is Deg which is also pronounced like dik; Fifteen is Pumtheg rather then bumfit. But it's still almost the same- and I can tell you the reason 15 is pumtheg is because it's a portmaneau of pump and deg (five and ten), but the 'deg' is mutated into 'dd' due to Welsh's language rules. 'dd' is the same as 'th' almost, and so we get pumtheg!
ifsey 2 months ago
This guy is such of troll.
ikolocol 2 months ago
That's really interesting... though I wouldn't call this language 'English'; it's more like 'Welsh'. I know Cumbrian shepherds used to use this system and Cumbria was part of what was known as 'Yr Hen Gogledd', 'The Old North', a region, like Wales or Cornwall, of Brythonic Celtic speakers, isolated by the influx of Germanic speakers further to the East. Very interesting video, though,
MrBoyuki 2 months ago
@MrBoyuki Agreed, but the native english during celtic times were unique to Welsh or Gaelic or Breton or Cornish, but their culture (and so language) was almost completely decimated by invaders and immigrants.
ifsey 2 months ago
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So 2 pimps and a dick is a faggot? :p just joking
427557 2 months ago
Roger Bowley = Cool. So glad to see he's not disappeared from our screens. May we see him for at least another bumfit years. Well done.
AussieEvonne 2 months ago
American English has at least two multi-syllable digits - "Zero" and "Seven", and where it's important: "Niner". "Dik" and "Pimp" would be an improvement.
Ormaaj 2 months ago
The numbers appeal to me in a juvenile way too :D
technicallyabsurd 2 months ago
1. Retire
2. Count sheep in obscure language
culwin 2 months ago 30
@culwin 3. ??? 4. PROFIT!
ScrinMan 1 month ago
Brady, what happens when they reach over 20 stones in their pockets?
4jonah 2 months ago 2
@4jonah
Do you think anyone can count 400 sheep and not get it wrong?
Quintinohthree 2 months ago in playlist Meer video's van numberphile
This brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "I'm counting on you". ^_^
damianpaz 2 months ago
PIMP + DIK + PIMP = FIGGIT.
That made my day! XD
damianpaz 2 months ago 4
@damianpaz what a lame day you had
Typho0n86 2 months ago
@Typho0n86 Shutup 20! ^_^
damianpaz 2 months ago
@damianpaz o_0
Typho0n86 2 months ago
Is this the same English English used in Austin Powers Goldmember?
KayleLang 2 months ago
This is really interesting!
SMFApples 2 months ago
fantastic video
teequlah 2 months ago
favorite episode, must go to the UK just to hear this
animewisher 2 months ago
pimp fünf fimm
LokiClock 2 months ago
So I know binary, octal, decimal, hexadecimal and now woolydecimal?
2xsf 2 months ago 35
@2xsf Don't forget the useless trinary ;) Only good for jokes. lol
YDchannel 2 months ago
@2xsf
how about ewenary?
hicamaman 2 months ago
lol.... apparently number 15 has fucked up written all over it.... just check the suggestion videos..
artashes999 2 months ago
i thought Professor Bowley retired? w.e glad hes still in your videos :D
doughammond8 2 months ago
who wants to smell my dik?
cosmiceon 2 months ago
way too funny
aianyoung 2 months ago
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pimp + dick + pimp = faggot
not figgit ;p
dadvoc666 2 months ago
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dadvoc666 2 months ago
I think someone is fooling with you.
RandomNinjaOfEvil 2 months ago
Thanks for sharing!
pbezunartea 2 months ago
HILARIOUS. loved it (:
markmannification 2 months ago
Brady, you both did very well not to corpse filming that shit :)
un2mensch 2 months ago
Childish.
RBIVscreamtherequiem 2 months ago
So you get bumfit from adding a dick with a pimp?
kanjitard 2 months ago
Very amusing and interesting. But I couldn't stop wondering what they would do after 400? (20*20)
Beibyface 2 months ago
@Beibyface -- if you were rich enough for 400 sheep back then, you probably could afford to hire a dedicated sheperd-mathematician to deal with your vast flock. (-:
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BubbaYoga 2 months ago
That's the best line.
"I find that as I get older I immature with age,"
HAHAHA
alexqzed 2 months ago
lol dick
mobabur94 2 months ago
now you guys are just being silly. haha
alexqzed 2 months ago
hahaha, i like 10 which is dick
XempireX18 2 months ago
Quite interesting. But even stranger is the base 60 system that the ancient Babylonians used.
peon17 2 months ago
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pimp+pimp+dick=faggot
Materialgirl1021 2 months ago
...dick! yawn,a dick? tan a dick...LOL
Materialgirl1021 2 months ago
I am highly amused by a pimpdik being a bumfit, and a pimp and two diks being a figgit in a sheperds mind... I wonder if it's just because of modern slang, or if they actually were awusing these words in the same sense at the time.
gulllars 2 months ago
@gulllars The definitions we have for those words are completely different, our slang wasn't even created back in their time. For the shepards, those words were just numbers
TheSanaBrick 2 months ago
I personally liked this, even if it seems a few did not :)
AbortedSheepFetus 2 months ago
Ah, so this is where Pratchett borrowes the counting system for his sheperds from. Nice!
DerEngelDesTodes 2 months ago
Pimp + dik should equal sex. Meaning 6 like in swedish.
Villex93 2 months ago
Wow, after having read a fair bit on base 20 systems of other cultures, I find out that my own culture (Welsh) still has a base 20 system of number recorded in its language. Thanks, fantastic video; as all ways.
AxiomBios 2 months ago
OR how number intervals and music work together!
SoHappyFace 2 months ago
I'd really love to see the interesting properties of i and Infinity at some point. Anyone agree?
SoHappyFace 2 months ago
Although actually being german, i like those numbers and their sounds. But where can I find them in written form?
ranthoron 2 months ago
Read all about this in "Alex's Adventures in Numberland". Dr. James Grime (aka singingbanana) did do a shameless plug on it a while ago... It's a good book about fun with maths.
Also, a pimp+bumfit=figgit. These are some mighty big coinkydinks...
Crashboy1024 2 months ago
*Insert random hate comment here just to get a comment back from you guys*
Just kidding. Great job! Keep it up!
ColdIce009 2 months ago
I wish our numbers sounded like that lol. Dik figgit and pimp.
appleormac 2 months ago
Dick lol
Nnnarekkk 2 months ago
I too enjoyed this greatly, to the point that I was laughing out loud or, as young folk on t'internet would say "LOL"-ing.
Happy Christmas Brady!
AlanKey86 2 months ago
Dont mind the haters! I love this kind of math! Math is not just counting it's a bit history in math, and aswell learning about other cultures math. Keep it going! I love this!
aannttee11 2 months ago
Pimp is 5 in Welsh too, although its spelled pump
MrCpxchris 2 months ago
This was quite amusing. Dont mind the haters Brady!
razveck 2 months ago
Looooool, this is where English got all its words from
aandgpointlessvideos 2 months ago
lololololololololololololololol
TheZus333 2 months ago
@numberphile I admit I tittered at bumfit! However apart from the stones we still count in a very similar fashion - 0 to 19 each have their own names and then we adopt multipliers of ten. So in essence we incorporate the base 20 nomenclature within a decimal system each and every day.
flss 2 months ago
Haha.
MatthewIsAwesomeFTW 2 months ago
good job guys!
NiCk9435 2 months ago
pimp plus a dick is a lot of happy whores.
MichaelBradley1988 2 months ago
I would make a joke about Pimp and Dicks and bums. But the way that woman said amused me, I couldn't understand a word she said.
KanonXD 2 months ago
pimp is 5 in Welsh :)
lewiswenttotown 2 months ago
hehe
bobdole1988 2 months ago
He sais really boring ''I find that quite amusing''
99ShadowKing 2 months ago
They settled for bumfit just because "pimp-a-dick" was way too much.
LankyCyril 2 months ago
Sent this video to my welsh friends. lol
HWGuyEG 2 months ago
lol ok they did this but they couldn't do the same for 69? obviously this was for immature giggles! I'm not complaining I like it!
ruki25 2 months ago
Bumfit.? Shepard? Surly Bumfit is an old Welsh word.
BSEmadcow 2 months ago
awsome hahahah
managarm1349 2 months ago
So i'm a stone in the pocket with a pimp?
OrangeMan86 2 months ago
National Lampoons' European Vacation...
"What are we looking for?"
"Sechs, Dad."
"That'll do Audrey."
"Dad that's German for six."
"Hello, my family and I were looking for sex."
"Schweinhund!"
TheLoonwolf 2 months ago
i really like this channel, but i have to ask... wtf is this!?!?
letimics 2 months ago 12
@letimics hi, it's a light-hearted numberphile video about a quaint (and amusing to modern ears) numbering system used in parts of the UK.
numberphile 2 months ago 26
@numberphile ok, thank you for the explanation and sorry for being a little harsh with my reaction to the video... i think it is a matter of taste, i really prefer the "heavy-hearted" videos
letimics 2 months ago