Robert E Lee House

[jerryntx]

@wolfencrow  your quite mis informed my man at west point before the cival war officer toke an oath or pledge to their state .. his was then changed after the cival war began

[maxitismakedon]

where's the confederate flag?

[Southernjuggalo63]

@maxitismakedon ok what went on with robert e. lee house was he inherited it from his wife mother he lived there short time then left for civil war during that time the government needed a place to bury union dead so they refused robert e lee wifes tax money allowing the government to seize property throwing his wife and family out then the head guy on burying union dead had them place union soldiers graves all around house so robert would never forget

[Southernjuggalo63]

robert e lee never returned to the house his wife nephew sewed the government for refusing the taxes on home he was awarded honorship of the property he could have had all the dead re located but decided to sell the land to the government not to disturb the dead

[Dauntless07]

My history teacher told me when asked what he thought about his home being taken and used as a cemetary for Union soldiers, Lee replied

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"I couldn't think of any better use for it."

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What a great man!

[chubs211]

We need to forget about marthin luther king day and bring forth Robert E Lee's birthday instead.

[criticalgal]

My great great grandmother was a lee and I've been told that I'm related rel, but I don't know how. How can I get a family tree? I can't find one on the internet.

[TheCorrodedChains]

if your great great granmother is an offspring off robert E lee were related

[theopra]

my great great grandmother was a lee to and she was an offspring of robert e lee. so somehow i am to lol

[boypilot126]

his house which was unlawfully taken from him

[dxarmy94]

Actually his wife left it basically giving it to the arlington grave.

[wolfencrow]

Small price to pay for the lives of 360,000 Union patriots the CSA unlawfully took.

Robert E. Lee was a dirt bag traitor.

[TheCorrodedChains]

FUCK YOU MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER FOUGHT THAT WAR As HARD AS HE COULD ITS NOT HIS FAULT 360,000 soldiers died that day they went into the confederate army knowing the chance of death

[wolfencrow]

LoL...I don't give a crap about the Rebels that died in the war...good riddance to bad trash.

I think its poetic justice that the worst traitor this nation ever produced, lost his home so that the 360,000 patriots who died defending the USA from his treachery, would be given their final resting place.

Sometimes there is justice in this world, and it should be savored.

It's amazing that anyone would claim Lee as one of their ancestors...no accounting for taste.

[00AvengeTheFallen00]

No reason to argue or call anyone a traitor. 1st off, it was in the late 1800's, things were COMPLETELY different, which included the Civil War....

Robert E. Lee, and the Confederate States of America, had different beliefs than the other Half, The Union...

Also, think about it, had the Confederacy WON the war, the U.S would be different today, YOU would be calling General Grant a "Traitor" and a "Coward", Because if would be what your used to.... And everyone would look at you as a Yankee fag.

[mattp1803]

@wolfencrow

The Union didn't have to invade the south. The south was just defending themselves from the violent north.

[wolfencrow]

@mattp1803

Really? Ever hear of the New Mexico Campaign?

So, if Southern states had the right to dissolve the Union, without the consent of the rest of the nation, it stands to reason that portions of the seceding states, had the right to vote to remain in the Union, and secede from the CSA?

Yes or no?

[mattp1803]

@wolfencrow

That would be correct. I don't understand what you are getting at...

[wolfencrow]

@mattp1803

Well, Entire portions of the South, including Western Virginia tried to do just that.

When they did, the Confederate regime sent armies to hold them at bayonet point, with the assistance of Robert E. Lee.

Colorado & New Mexico, territories which the CSA had no claim to whatsoever, had to defend themselves from CSA invasion, and forced annexation.

Why? The CSA wanted their mineral wealth.

[wolfencrow]

@mattp1803

Funny how a man who forsake the oath he swore to defend the USA, and its people from ALL enemies foreign and domestic, using the excuse of not turning his sword on his own people... then turned his sword on Virginians who did not support secession, and voted to remain in the Union.

Typical Confederate hypocrisy, and for doing that, this scum bag has been made into a national hero.

Gotta love Hollywood values

[scottndawn]

why hell naw spartan. He was a confederate general in tha south againt tha north. Yankees suck!!!!!!!!!!

[spartanwarrior1]

a great american who fought against the USA? i guess the union generals who managed in saving the nation are mor epraiseworthy though i ,in some way, admire the enemy.

[dwhite1220]

Some of those so-called union generals would not of fought if they knew they were freeing slaves also.Most to save the union ONLY!

[GuinevereJuliet]

Precisely, dwhite. Most of the union generals, not to mention regular soldiers, did not exactly hold the negroid race in high esteem and were fighting to maintain a nation that was eighty or so years old. Had they known the social ills of future centuries, would the north had fought the war??

[rebel2276]

I liver right across the river in Washington Dc. Very beautiful view from Lee's house.

[dwhite1220]

HOME OF A GREAT AMERICAN

[usafkking]

AMEN to that one!!!

[hbdywtk]

@dwhite1220 Robert E. Lee was a loser in every sense of the word.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk yet fought a army outnumbered 10 to 1 fought and won from 1861-1863 with less supplies, men, and calvary engraving his legacy in history when u think of american greates military men 2 men come to mind ROBERT E. LEE (for tactics) STONEWALL JACKSON(for actual battlfield)

[hbdywtk]

Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men who mistook him for a Yankee. Genius. Lee was a loser. His own slaves jumped him for being such a prick. The man couldn't control his temper and he chose the wrong side for illogical reasons. Here's the deal. After the Civil War, in an effort to unify the country and to quell the animosity among the defeated confederates, a lot of praise was heaped on their generals. The stories grew and these two losers became lionized by losers in the south.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk i know how stonewall jackson died by a north carolina regiment not knowing who he was and killed him thinking he was a yankee funny ask any yankee historian who was the 2 greatest generals in history they will say robert e lee and stonewall jackson you yankees make me laugh hahaha

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 right.....Lee and Jackson were called geniuses and the best generals of the war. At the same time Grant was labeled a drunk and Sherman was called insane, yet they destroyed the Confederacy. Just like historians love to talk all day long about how George Washington wasn't a great general, even though he defeated the greatest military in the world. But you'll probably say that was only because of the French.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk ok lets get some things straight here about history the south was very outnumbered dont u think? also the north had the majority of industrial plants supplying army the south didnt have this luxury so outnumbered will less everything the south managed to wage a war for 4 years winning from 1861-middle of 1863

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk in fact it was people like my confederate ancestor grandfather(a revolutionary veteran) who dared fight then just lay down and obey 

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 I partially agree with you. Yes, the South was outnumbered and the outcome was inevitable for reasons you said. So why did Lee choose to fight with the Confederates? Supposedly he couldn't fight his fellow Virginians. But 2/5 of Virginians were on the side of the Union, so he fought them anyway! It also gets lost in revisionary history but Lee was a staunch supporter of slavery. He may have had some skills as a general but he picked the immoral side.

[hbdywtk]

No matter how people try to spin it in the modern age, the Civil War was fought because Southern plantation owners wanted to maintain an evil institution because it was profitable for them.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk funny you blame the south for slaver when all slaves brought here was done under the american flag not the confederate flag also slavery was protected by the U.S. CONSTITUTION even lincoln himself said if he could save the union and leaving blacks slaves he would do so yet yankees and black people seem to think slavery was the only reason talk about narrowed visions lol

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 the simple fact of the matter was that Lincoln was against slavery, which is why succession happened. True that slavery was tolerated in America, but most people all over the world were realizing it was wrong. But the plantation owners in the South wanted to hold on to this evil institution. And it was an evil institution whether it was allowed by the U.S. Constitution or the Bible or in any other document.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk if lincoln didnt support slavery then why did he sign RUNAWAY SLAVE ACT?how come in emacipation proclomation he only called for the southern original 7 rebel states to free there slaves while borders states and the northern states were allowed to keep theirs? and if u think poor men who couldnt even afford a slave fought and gave his life to defend a institution that he may never even afford to use no im not that smallminded

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 Lincoln was anti slavery. However he was a savvy politician who had to play politics. He knew that if he played too hard a line with slavery, even more states might join the Confederacy and he wouldn't get support from Northerners. Like you said, the average soldier, both North and South wouldn't have gone to war over slavery so the Southern politicians pushed the "State's rights" and the Northern politicians said they were "preserving the Union."

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk lol excuses excuses at leas i admit that the institution of slavery was a economic tool for taxes and all races have been enslaved by their own people to me the civil war was nothing but like the classice ALEXANDER HAMILTON view for a strong centralized government VS THOMAS JEFFERSON decentralized government with self government also note that the confederates never broke the U.S. CONSTITUTION during the war but the north however broke mulitple parts during and after the civil war

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 what you're saying is correct. The U.S. Constitution under Article IV did implicitly allow slavery. I think that the Confederate argument was indeed valid but that was only because our Constitution was flawed by allowing slavery. Do you agree with that or not? That's why the 13th Amendment effectively negated Article IV.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk well sitting here today you cant argue the fact thats slavery built this country but the fact of the matter is the U.S.CONSTIUTION died during and at the end of the civil war it is nothing more nowadays than a pesky old piece of paper that gets in the way to politicians and some citizens

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 I agree with what you're saying for the most part. The Confederates did tremendous damage to the rights of the states by seceding, especially over the issue of slavery. It totally gave the federal government the moral authority. Had the plantation owners had any decency about them, the states would have been a lot more powerful now than they are.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk no your seeing slavery as a human wrong slavery just happened to fall under states rights cause the constitution did not specificly give government power to do anything with it also the confederates were the last true americans that never broke the U.S. CONSTITUTION also if the north wouldnt have raised a army to invade the south the south wouldnt have had to raise their own remember the north invaded the south durings most of the war not the other way around

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 It's true that the North by definition had to invade the South to preserve the Union. If the North did nothing, they couldn't have preserved the Union. However, one of Lee's biggest strategies was to take the war to the North to break the will of the people. Gettysburg was in Pennsylvania after all because Lee took his army up there. I think the difference between your opinion and mine is that you still want to stand by a Constitution that allowed slavery and i don't.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk yes but only twice did the south go into the north the rest was north invading south UNDERMINING THE CONSTIUTION IS NOT HOW YOU PRESERVE THE UNION actually abiding by the CONSTITUION would have been more credible than ignoring the founding documents the south seceeded legally so really all it boils down too like

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk let me ask u this do u think it right for someone to invade their home and take away the only system in which they knew of to make money without helping them find another way to make money? would it be right for southerners to invade the north and take away all the greedy banks? or to kill all gays? that is exactly what the north did pushed its beliefs on people that were different and that is wrong also not all southerners owned slaves

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 you're actually defending slavery? This is why the South lost. Yes, it is perfectly good to invade the home of someone enslaving human beings. If you were enslaved, I'm sure you'd agree.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk no im defending STATES RIGHTS which was given to the states when the country was created WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT THERE WERE OTHER WAYS TO RID OUR COUNTRY OF SLAVERY IT WAS DYING OFF LOOK UP THE LAST DOCUMENTED SLAVE SHIP IT WAS IN 1808 52 YEARS BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR how come every other country got rid of slavery with no war BECAUSE THE CIVIL WAR WAS NOT OVER SLAVERY IT WAS OVER MONEY ECONOMICS AND SLAVERY WAS PART OF THE WHOLE OF THE ECONOMIC PIECE

[Southernjuggalo63]

BUT TO TRY TO SAY THAT THE WAR WAS FOUGHT ONLY BECAUSE OF SLAVERY IS HISTORICLY INCORRECT

[Southernjuggalo63]

WELL IF IT WASNT FOR THE FOUNDING FATHERS THAT CREATED THIS COUNTRY THEY WERE THE ONES THAT ADOPTED SLAVERY FROM THE BRITISH REMEMBER LOL SO YOUR SAYING THE FOUNDING FATHERS ARE IDIOTS? I THINK NOT

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 our Founding Fathers thought it is self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Apparently you are the one who thinks they were wrong.

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk they also used the oldest way to build a economy (SLAVERY) every country was built on slavery stop seeing it as a human rights issue see it for what it was then nothing more than a economic system to support economy no i think the fore fathers new what they wanted HENCE THE SLAVERY AMENDMENTS 13TNF,14TH ,15TH AMENDMENTS ALSO THOMAS JEFFERSON INHERITED 400 SLAVES AND ONLY FREEING 4 IN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND THIS IS THE MAN THAT WROTE CONSTIUTION

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 Thomas Jefferson didn't write the Constitution. James Madison did. Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and in his original draft he blasted King George III for "violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivatng and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere."

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk funny but slavery was part of the constitution completely contradicting what u said also the constitution was ratified by delegates jefferson being a key founding father in american ideals hence self government

[hbdywtk]

@Southernjuggalo63 Jefferson wasn't there for the Constitutional convention. He was in France at the time. Thus he never even signed it. You are a little confused about your history. Nevertheless, nothing you say can justify slavery. As Abraham Lincoln said, "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk slavery was economic tool nothing more you cant say that white people were so wrong for it cause the word slave derives from the slavic people of europe being enslaved by other european also the african slave trade started in 6th with arabs and west africans whites didnt even come buy africans until the 16th century funny no one ever remembers that fact of history

[Southernjuggalo63]

@hbdywtk LOL SLAVERY BUILT EVERY COUNTRY ECONOMY ON THIS WORLD MAP and to ignore that fact is very ignorant slavery was a tool necessary at that time and yes i have no respect for anyone that allowed themselves to be enslaved they are cowards to me my ancestors died fighting for freedom in all early american wars not coward down and let themselves be enslaved