Failure of Bastrop High School at Educating Students

[Hayliegirl34]

PROUDTO BE A CHRISTIAN AND ACITIZEN INBASTROP LOUISIANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO SHUT THE FUCKUP AND GO LEARN SOETHING I WAS THERE I KNO LACI SHES A RELLY GOOD PERSON!(: BASTROP PPL ARE NOT HYPOCRITES

[SlayerOfTheLaw]

@Hayliegirl34 "Go learn something"? Looks like YOU'RE the one who needs to learn something. Like how to spell and form sentences, for starters.

[Hunt2deth43]

I'm glad they had a prayer :). I'm proud to be apart of BHS. Go cry about it, boohoo.

[astraia1x]

a link to this video should be added to the definition of "hypochristian" in urban dictionary

special note to hypochristians who rarely understand the definition of "hypochristian": "Contraction of the words 'hypocrite' and 'Christian'."

thumbs up and subbed!

[PersephonesFear]

Basically, it boils down to your own freedoms. If someone speaks to your class about baseball on an open topic speech, but you like basketball, can you sue? No. But it would be an infringement of your liberties if the government swooped in and said "All speeches now and forever must only be about baseball." Or made you give a speech saying you liked it. (Debate class aside where that does happen). But if the rest of the class likes baseball, as a basketball fan do you stop them from clapping?

[PersephonesFear]

If the valedictorian chooses to pray to his or her god among any of the 3700 gods, as you put it, sure, that is what I am saying. Congress shall make NO LAW' even RESPECTING an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise therof. Neither supporting/forcing a school prayer, or laws banning it. The individual ideas expressed are up to a student. (Only exception supreme court has made is for profanity or informal speech, which is not an idea but bad decorum, content is free)

[bigwells96]

WELL..WE DID IT....

[laxpaint]

Bastrop is as backwards as it can get.

I've been there and it suxxx

[bigninja27]

Fuck you fucking christfags praying to an impotent god you fucking morons

[clawdfrawg]

What is the reason for throwing a fat joke into an otherwise sollid augument?

[mollyjeorgensen]

Burn the town. People like this need to GTFO my country and go to Iran where they belong.

[mollyjeorgensen]

I say we go down south with torches and pitchforks, burn the town, and cart the whole population to Gitmo.

Bastrop: as you have clearly rejected the US Constitution and acted as an organized force to institute a new, theocratic government in the US, you are guilty of treason... As such, you may be considered enemy combatants who have conspired to overthrow the US government. Oh man, if I were president...

[keyio1995]

laci mattice did nothing for you to trash or talk about her the way you did

[DarrelfromZeeland]

The school should've revoked this commie punk's diploma. Even his parents were smart enough to see how worthless he is. Komrade Fowler needs to go live in North Korea or Cuba or some other secular socialist "paradise" and suck on some thick veiny greasy uncircumsized commie socialist cock.

[xenoknight696]

@DarrelfromZeeland Typical. When you have no case of your own, just attack the person. You'd make a great politician or maybe a talk show host.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@DarrelfromZeeland Yes, you've spammed this on every video page related to the topic. Learn to troll; your copy/paste job is a little too obvious...

[DarrelfromZeeland]

@mollyjeorgensen When I want your opinion stupid cunt, I'll kick you in the teeth for it! Until then, STFU BITCH!!!!

[BillyT4evr]

@DarrelfromZeeland Why do christians say the promote peave adn love when they are by far the most agressive individuals in society I mean you dont see Athiest going around killing 8 million Jewish or going on Crusades to slaughter Muslims in gods name.

[indignant99]

We are never going to eliminate religion, because... we are never going to eliminate stupidity.

[VikingCrone]

Just how would these idiots feel if I wanted to 'open up a circle' and call upon MY GODS AN GODDESS"S at graduation 'practice? or the real graduation...? hhmmm??? Yep..thats what I thought...religious freedom isnt freedom at all when you mention my religion now is it.

HYPCROITES!

[AuntieDiluvian]

Ah - the Heebie Jeebies are hating on you Rob!  Keep up the good work :)

[GodNaomi]

Take this off it is wrong!

[Pbirv]

@GodNaomi It's called "Freedom of Speech". Read the 1st Amendment.

[carolynmiddlebrooks]

picking on people you do not know is sad what does her weight have to do with prayer

[robertmike57]

@carolynmiddlebrooks Mattice claimed she respects the beliefs of other people then proceeds to be disrespectful. That's bullshit.

I'll reedit this video to exclude any reference to Ms Mattice appearance provided she posts a YT video apologizing for the treatment of the Bastrop community to Damon Fowler and that she understands the 1st amendment & how Santa Fe Independent School District v. Jane Doe shows that she was wrong.

[GodNaomi]

@robertmike57  She has the freedom of speech!..she can pray wherever she wants and anyone can join. It just couldnt be on the program. and they took it off. nuff said. what was suppose to be done was done!..now youre being disrespectful to others beliefs

[robertmike57]

@GodNaomi Laci Mattice had a captive audience at a government sanctioned event, knew what she was doing was wrong and did it anyway. Likely unconsitutional if it goes to the Supreme Court, notwithstanding a bullshit 11th Circuit ruling. Referring to Mattice as obese is a fact with her BMI over 30, not an insult, deal with it, its my freedom of speech.

[PersephonesFear]

@robertmike57 Lee vs. Weisman (1992) - It's constitutional for a student to pray at a school event. It's not constitutional for the school to write a religious speech for someone to say, or pay for someone religious to come in and give a speech, etc. YThe school endorsed speech Damon had a right to object to. Laci's speech was in the clear (legally). It has been established in the courts that even 'school' doesn't take our freedoms, exceptions at the times when it would interfere with learning.

[Joyness333]

@robertmike57

Just because she had a "captive audience" does not mean she was violating the law. Technically, she wasn't. Deal with it.

And she was not being disrespectful in any way. Just because one or two people did not like to hear what she had to say, or agree with it, does not mean she was being disrespectful. It means that they are being whiney little cry babies. They need to grow the hell up. Just like you.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@Joyness333 The valedictorian was not violating the law, she was merely a tool for the school administration, which showed extremely poor judgment and - in fact - likely violated the law (this remains to be seen; in this hick backwater, I somehow doubt it).

What she had to say is irrelevant, except insofar as it was something the school was specifically asked to censor. These speeches are ALWAYS reviewed and usually edited or censored to some degree by faculty; as such, they are endorsed.

[GodNaomi]

@robertmike57 true enough you have every right to call her obese due to whatever causes. However you are wrong about her constitutional right to pray whenever and wherever she pleases. That was also Damon's right to not pray. He could have even protested during the pray. Just because the majority of the crowd prayed doesnt make it unconstitutional. If the majority of the crowd didnt pray..noone could get mad. I respected Damon and never hollered at him or got loud while praying.

[GodNaomi]

Respond to this video... If he doesnt believe thats his choice, and trying to force God on him makes me look bad and doesnt help save him. Now i do feel it is wrong to critisize or patronize someone because of their belief.

[PersephonesFear]

@GodNaomi Very true. SShe legally has the freedom of speech, as a student. The scheduled prayer (School endorsed) Damon had a right to object to. Laci's prayer was completely legal both by the US Supreme court and by the 5th Circuit Court.

[MunkyDrag0n]

@GodNaomi By that logic I can call my teachers f**king, dumba** pieces of s**t and not get taken off the podium. You can say whatever you want if you live like an animal, but to join a system you must follow its rules. Public education is a system that outlaws rudeness and ahem...religion. It doesn't matter what the hell she wants to do or how many people agree. She has to follow the rules. Disrespect goes both ways, sir.

[PersephonesFear]

@robertmike57 "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." ~Patrick Henry

Freedom of worship is not a negative right. It means I worship freely, you *worship* freely. I don't tell you "can't worship" except how I let you. We escaped that persecution.

[xenoknight696]

@PersephonesFear That quote first appeared in 1956 in a paper about Patrick Henry. It was not said by him.

[PersephonesFear]

@xenoknight696 You seem to be correct. He did however write this: "That religion, or the duty we owe our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, and not by force or violence ; and, therefore, that all men should enjoy the fullest toleration in the exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience,

[PersephonesFear]

@xenoknight696 "...unpunished and unrestrained by the magistrate, unless, under color of religion, any man disturb the peace, the happiness, or the safety of society ;and that it is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian for-bearance, love, and charity towards each other." 1 Kate Mason Rowland, Life of Mason, i. 228-241. 2 Edmund Randolph, MS. Hist. Va. See, also, W. W. Henry,

Life of P. Henry, i. 422-436.

[PersephonesFear]

@robertmike57 -Not- sharing our faith is, by the way, the highest disrespect one can give to another person in the Christian faith. To be silent means we care more about remaining in *your* respect than we esteem you as a person. The relationship becomes about what we can get, not what we can give. True faith is lived in action, not just word: but to not share our faith in word means we deny Christ, and would rather spend our days in easy fun than risk offense that could save your life.

[silviafarfallina]

@PersephonesFear So if I had gotten up and shared with all of you the islamic god and his prayers, would you be cool with it? After all, I'm sure islam says you have to push your beliefs down others throats too.

[PersephonesFear]

@silviafarfallina Yes, I would be fine with that. I would be fine if an atheist student shared his beliefs and led fellow students in the atheists creed, or if a muslim student led fellow students in a prayer to Allah, etc. As Samuel Adams said, when the question of one denomination leading a prayer over many was brought up, said “I am no bigot, I can hear the prayer of any man of piety and virtue who is a friend to his country.” I find it no crime to allow others their freedom of religion.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@PersephonesFear Hypotheticals don't matter here. Of course you will say you'd be "fine with it" even if you wouldn't... Fact is, there were no other religions represented; the idea that there might be was publicly mocked. So, as it stands you're defending a gross violation of the US Constitution and proudly asserting your opposition to religious freedom, not support of it.

[PersephonesFear]

@mollyjeorgensen It was not a violition to the 'US constitution'. (Which allows anyone to make speeches about God with no restrictions on language and no restriction of place.) Nor was it a violation of any fifth circuit law for a student to mention God in her own valedictorian speech, provided the school does not write the speech for her, nor specifically endorse it.

Worshipping by the dictates of your own concience is freedom, stopping others' speech because you don't want to hear it is not.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@PersephonesFear Ah, it is a violation of the constitution, which allows anyone to make speeches about God, and FORBIDS the government (including public schools) from ficially sanctioning any one religion, which this school has done. The school did specifically endorse it; while we can play on legal technicalities (as the courts will and, God-willing, will side with the ACLU) the fact is that it gave a strong endorsement, even if only de facto. "Worship" is irrelevant to this case.

[PersephonesFear]

@mollyjeorgensen The school withdrew its endorsement, remade graduation agendas without the prayer, and even told the speakers 'no religion'. (SO the school could possibly punish Laci for breaking guidelines if they -wanted- to, and the court could either rule persecution of religion (ie 'no religion' is a specific stance on anti-religion by the school) or in the school's favor (ie 'breaking guidelines', without any religious context.) Laci was WELL within constitutional rights to pray herself.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@PersephonesFear Yes, I'm sure the "no religion" message was strong and clear - if this were fairyland it was anything other than a legal dodge made after the fact to avoid clear liability on behalf of the school, at least. We all know the school will not punish her, and the "mo religion" was said with wink & nod. The broader issue, that you and others support this little twit (Laci. what a perfect name for a future waffle waitress), has still gone unanswered and will continue to go unpunished.

[PersephonesFear]

@mollyjeorgensen You are missing the point that the school itself did not have the -legal right- to make a guideline on 'no religion', as it specifically targets religious speech. If the school did punish her for breaking guidelines, they could possibly get away with it - not on religious grounds, but merely as upholding school policy. Or, they could lose by nature of opressing religion. The supreme court has dodged questions like this, though upheld valedictorian religious talk.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@PersephonesFear Fact is, the "valedictorian's speech" is a regularly contested issue when it comes to sensitive politics in this country. They are routinely censored by schools and have been shown in courts to be endorsed by schools specifically because - while they are written by the student they are reviewed and subject to prior approval by the faculty BECAUSE THEIR DELIVERY REPRESENTS PART OF AN ENDORSED EVENT.

[silviafarfallina]

@PersephonesFear Wait so you're saying that at every school event, you want ALL prayers? For all 3700 supernatural beings?

[indignant99]

@carolynmiddlebrooks Quinn and the valedictorian are FAT stupid heifers. Stupidity leads to both fatness and religiosity. That's the link, honeychild.

[mollyjeorgensen]

@carolynmiddlebrooks Boohoohoohoo. She's a tool, decided to throw her public support behind an unjust system acting illigally, and deserves EVERY bit of ridicule she gets, no matter how petty or childish. Let me pick on people I don't know. This town should be leveled with cruise missiles, just like we do for Libya, Iran, Pakistan, and any other place where freedom-hating zealots gather to make war against democracy on behalf of their gods.

[PersephonesFear]

@mollyjeorgensen Regardless of your view of other people's patriotism, slaughtering people deemed offensive or enemies of the state has never brought a more free and just society in the past. Will you respond to the matter and play judge, jury, and executioner by your own standards - by depriving her of her very life, and the lives of a whole town, without due process? You would make a martyr of her - for martyrs die for their beliefs, they do not kill others for theirs.

[Jaxomy]

@carolynmiddlebrooks My mother was told by the religious leader of her church she could not be a part of the worship team anymore, because her fatness showed that she wasn't right with god. Her fatness was a sin.