If VenomFangX said "believing in evolution gives you "no reason" not to be a thief, rapist, or murderer", then that sounds a bit like naturalistic fallacy. or maybe the is-ought problem.
I didn't find either of them under the list of his fallacies.
VenomfangX could never have 'believed' in evolutionary theory in any meaningful sense, because it's blatantly obvious that he STILL doesn't understand it
How is it possible for 1/3=.3333..... >an irrational number is any real number which cannot be expressed as a fraction a/b...but they are equal. God uses the simple things of this world to confound the wise. If genomes are constantly mutating, how can you possibly table the chromosomes of any given speciesit will only be applicable to a nanosecond in time. So then what is the point of the text book. moving from the point of obsolescence to obsolescence. God uses the simple things of this world.
@eirwal777 Sir, allow me to assist in your edification. EVOLUTION is being put to practical use in industry and widely used on a DAILY basis by researchers in medicine, biochemistry, molecular biology, and genetics to both formulate hypotheses about biological systems for the purposes of experimental design, as well as to rationalize observed data and prepare applications.
@eirwal777 Atomic Theory, Theory of Matter and Energy, Cell Theory, Germ Theory, Theory of Plate Tectonics, Theory of Evolution, Theory of Quantum Mechanics, Theory of Relativity, Theory of Light Energy, Theory of Electromagnetism, Theory of Radioactivity, Theory of Molecular Bonds, Theory of Homeostasis, Theory of Gravity, etc..
These are all theories also...but only evolution and the Big Bang are disputed. The reason is because they conflict with a 2,000 year old holy book.
@eirwal777 Please answer these questions: If Noah's Ark were actually true...then why did ALL the Polar bears travel NORTH to the ARTIC and ALL of the penguins travel SOUTH to ANTARCTICA? The Arctic would have been equally hospitable for the penguins and would have been MUCH closer to Mt. Ararat. Also, why did the vast majority of marsupials travel to Australia? Why can't modern technology build a completely wooden ship that is 450 feet long if this allegedly occurred thousands of years ago?
@eirwal777 How many parasitic organisms would have to infest the animals and Noah's family since they ALL must have existed after the flood? This is a selection of the over 1,000 parasitic organisms from a web site: "Ringworm, tapeworms, pinworms, candida albicans (yeast infections) and plasmodia (malaria causing parasite), roundworms including ascaris , hookworms, whipworms, anisakid worm, Onchocerciasis (RIVER BLINDNESS WORM), , etc., etc., etc...".
@eirwal777 Noah's family and the animals would have to be infested with all of the above described parasites and MANY MORE. Every single possible disease, virus, and parasitic organism imaginable. (Strange how apparently none of them had HIV virus...perhaps god invented it for us later on?)
Also, why don't *faith* healers ever restore an amputee's limb? They supposedly cure all sorts of other ailments that cannot be proven...but missing limbs are somehow forgotten.
@eirwal777 Also, what was the purpose of your god providing a parasitic eyeball-burrowing worm which currently blinds many thousands of children in third-world countries every year?....many of which are certainly Christians. Do you pray to your god for material items? Many athletes thank god after victories. Do you believe that he would actually grant these requests and yet allow millions of children to die every year and thousands to go blind from the parasitic worms he allegedly provided?
I stand amazed to see "pack" dynamics of atheists when it comes to attacking those who don't agree with them. God uses the simple things of this world to confound the wise. Who has known the mind of God that he may instruct Him?Jesus Christ has been given all authority in heaven and on earth. And who are you, oh man to attempt to stand in the authority of God, when it has not been given to you if you are carnal? Apart from God, every solution shall pose another question. How does 1/3 =.3333....
A good name is to desired more than riches.....a good name is to be desired more than rubies....Michael in Hebrew means "who is like God"....Daniel means "God's judge"...Hannah means "God's grace". In Jesus time they would wait up to two years to name the baby/child. Jabez means "one who brings pain" . Why do so few seek to name themselves a name of honor rather than a "wicked" name or a condescending name?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Really, seems interesting, but why would that couldn't that be done by natural selection? Care to share your sources? Because i'm very interested, and to me that sounds like it contradicts evolution.
My source was a book by Immunology that has long been sold to another student, but I think it was Abbas' and Lichtman's Basic Immunology, third edition. You could probably find a lot more on Google Scholar or even Wikipedia though
Well the enzymes that are equipped to induce these mutations, like VDJ recombinase, evolved, I don't see how this poses a problem to natural selection. They are not germ line mutations by the way, they are somatic.
However I do believe there are certain cell-mediated mechanism that actively induce mutations in germ-lines as a means of increasing variation. But that was a long time ago I read of that, I'd have to research that again.
And you are a Christian then the implications are that you can murder, and rape, and steal and all you have to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and he will forgive you, and only a small fraction of your life is spent able to receive justice for your crimes by tangible law enforcement, therefore Christianity is evil, therefore it is untrue. :P
What's an evolutionist, I've never met a scientist who identify himself and herself as an evolution. They simply accept the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the diversification of life.
I actually provided quotes from his speeches to prove that he was a creationist. What did you provide? One word, one word without its context, a word that is not used to describe evolution the theory and observation at all, but at best, could be used for the verb, but actually nobody speaking german does it.
You are a liar and bone-headed fundie christian. You are more alike Adolf then you think.
I think the clearest woudl be to bring up one of his speeches from 1942:
"Woher nehmen wir das Recht zu glauben, der Mensch sei nicht von Uranfaengen das gewesen , was er heute ist? Der Blick in die Natur zeigt uns, dass im Bereich der Pflanzen und Tiere Veraenderungen und Weiterbildungen vorkommen. Aber nirgends zeigt sich innherhalb einer Gattung eine Entwicklung von der Weite des Sprungs, den der Mensch gemacht haben muesste, sollte er sich aus einem affenartigen Zustand zu dem, was er ist,"
i like the thing you said about drawing up some kind of moral philosophy from HGTTG. i kinda did that with star wars, and you know what? it does work better with what we know than does christianity (of course it's largely the same story, but still... yoda + the jedi don't call their followers to genocide.)
the monkey on the typewriter at the part about "random" natural events occurring was very clever. maybe too clever; i wonder if it was subtle enough as to render it pointless if you know what i mean?
Example of Evolution: Let's say there are two groups of apes, one living in a jungle & one in a savanha; over thousands of generations, the jungle apes will become more adapted to life in the trees & the savanha apes will become more suited to living in a wide open space. The savanha apes would start to stand upright to see over long distances & carry objects, while the jungle apes would develop long limbs to help them travel through the treetops
VenomFangX could walk around breaking our skulls with a sledge sure. What could inhibit you from doing so without god. Our survival instinct... telling us to break your skull back. What might inhibit VFX from trying this in the first place... the instinct that tells you once you've picked a fight, you're in for a fight. Your genes know better. They are selfish. If you want to reproduce you'd better not unnecessarily fuck with people. Your body is often smarter than your mind.
You call VenomfangX a murderer just because he his a Creationist who disagrees with your evolution bullshit? So by your logic everyone who disagrees with you is a murderer who deserves the death sentence? Self-serving hypocrite.
@gneisenau321 Did you even watch the video? The question was posed because VFX said that there is no morality for believers in evolution and atheism, and that they all live lives of debauchery and murder. Then it is shown that VFX admitted to be an atheist and believer in evolution up until a few years ago. Therefore, for his first statement to be true (that all atheists and believers in evolution live lives of debauchery and murder), he himself would of had to live a similar life.
"VFX said that there is no morality for believers in evolution and atheism, and that they all live lives of debauchery and murder... Therefore, for his first statement to be true... he himself would of had to live a similar life."
Well, now that you've mentioned it, isn't everyone a murderer since everyone at least once in their lifetimes have hated someone else for no good reason?
#1. Beliving in evolution makes you a cold-blooded murderer.
#2. He himself belived in evolution up until a few years ago.
This leaves us with two possibilities. Either VenomFanX was a cold-blooded murderer, or he lied. The question is obviously rethorical to make VenomFanX admit he was lying, and not to imply that he's a murderer. I can't see how anyone could miss this. You didn't even bother to actually listen to the video before commenting did you?
#1. Every human is a murderer. If you are angry with someone else without a good reason, is a murderer. Evolution or more specifically "survival of the fittest" has been used by many to justify murder.
#2. Yeah, he was a cold, don't give a damn about whether people die or not, but only gives a damn about what benefits him, atheist person... anything else?
@gneisenau321 You are completly lost dude. Not beliving in god does not change as much as you'd think. We are still social human beings, bubbeling with beautiful emotions just like you.
Murderer is one who commits murder, no more no less.
"..."Survival of the fittest" has been used by many to justify murder."
Hitler? In his speaches and publications he made clear that Christianity was a central motivation for his antisemitism. I challange you to show me more examples than I've got fingers.
"Not beliving in god does not change as much as you'd think. We are still social human beings, bubbeling with beautiful emotions just like you."?
True, the only difference between you and me is that I have met God and you haven't. However, even that still does not make me more moral than you are to be honest. Only reason I am saved is because of God's free gift of Salvation through Christ and not my own morality.
"Hitler? In his speaches and publications he made clear that Christianity was a central motivation for his antisemitism."?
Hitler used Christianity as a propaganda tool. It was never his "motivation". Socio-Evolution was the motivation. Hitler ordered the removal of the Old Testament from the Bibles because it was "Jewish". He murdered non-nazi Christians like Paul Schneider and Dietrich Bonhoeffer for not conforming to the twisted new doctrine of "positive christianity".
@gneisenau321 Let's pretend you're right... the challange still remains. One deranged man does not prove your point. I mean it's not like no murders have been commited in the name of any religion.
Oh yeah, Hitler loved Evolution, thats why had Darwins book burned and the theory of evolution banned from schools.
Sorry pal, it is pretty clear that o'l Adolfs motivation was complitley coming from his delusion that he was an agent of God. Read the Mein Kampf, he made it pretty clear in there. So far every claim to the contrary was devoid of any evidence.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race". He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood."
@gneisenau321 Exuse me, but you are WRONG. I happen to speak german, and no, in german you don't use th word entwicklung to say evolution. Entwicklung means direct development, wich evolution isn't, Because a single organism doesn't "evolve" A german would use the word evolution for evolution too, it just sound a bit different.
Hitler made it pretty clear that he beleived in divine creation, and in his speeches he constantly brought up finishing what Jesus began.
Evolution is evolution in german. Period. Entwicklung is never used in that context, it doesn't mean evolution, never meant it. I do speak german, i am half austrian, so you can stuff your lies where the sun doesn't shine. If any transalation would come up with that, it only means the transalation is crap, i know my own language, thank you.
Geh zum teufel blödmann. Wer sonsts will noch lügen über deutsch verbreiten?
Well, Hitler was more Austrian than you and in google translate, "entwicklung" can also be translated to evolution. So what is the problem? Just because you are part austrian doesn't mean you can deny what a particular word means so that you can make evolution look good. You are wasting you time as well as mine. And whats this happening now? You seem to be resorting to insults. Have I driven you to a corner?
@gneisenau321 Because stupidity like yours makes my head hurt.
You brought up entwickling because it stands in the main kampf, but did you actually read the context? No of course you didn't, you merely counter a word you have no idea how it would be used in german.
Go read its actualy transalation. Its plain and clearly standing there. Hitler professed to be a christian, he professed his love and admiration for Jesus, and he bleeived he had a mission given to him by God. Thats is what counts.
@Hyeesa Not some imagined relation to one word you don't even know in what sentence they were. Your argument is basicly nonexistent, yet you continue to try to hammer it in.
Guess what, i got a book about economics that has the word entwicklung in it too, because it speaks about economic development, but in your logic, it must be about evolution.
I never said it must be about evolution, I said "entwicklung" can be used for evolution. You are still trying to deny the fact that Hitler used evolution to justify murder.
"Hitler professed to be a christian, he professed his love and admiration for Jesus, and he bleeived he had a mission given to him by God. Thats is what counts."?
No, the fact that hitler professed to be Christian is not what "counts". Its what you hope to be true so that you can give yourselves an excuse to accuse Christians of murder. Hitler said he was Christian. But he was another white-supremacist heretic who removed the Old Testament from Scripture because it was too "jewish".
@gneisenau321 Plus you are forgetting the FACT, that Origin of the species was banned in the third reich. Please explain me this controversity then. If Hitler beleived in evolution, why did he have Darwins book banned, and burned along other works on Nazi book burnings?
Hitler was a theist who believed in "positive christianity", a neo-paganized version of Christianity. He initially rejected "origin of species" to gain the trust of the theistic population. But he later appropriated it as another justification for his "Aryan race" plan. After this was done Hitler turned his back on the churches and created "positive christianity". Head of the SS Heinrich Himmler then proceeded to desecrate churches by using them to conduct pagan rituals.
@gneisenau321 And thats another nice myth you try to press. You christians never fail to amase me with your ability to bring up more and more crap to slander your competition, even with the very crimes christians committed.
Hitler was no more a pagan as emperor Constantine, who made christianity the state religion in Rome, and then proceeded to murder thousands of people, burn libraries, demolish pagan temples ( irreplacable gems of human culture.) and allso had his own family executed. Yet...
@Hyeesa Yet people today think it was the pagans who persecuted christians, when it was dispropotionally the other way around.
But back to the third reich. Please provide any evidence of these supposed desecration of churches and pagan rituals. I have seen none so far. But plenty of cases where the SS persecuted "heretics" people who didn't follow catholic church doctrine. A definite anti-semitism that was rooted in christian anti-semitism, that can be tracked to Martin Luthers works and anti.
@Hyeesa Anti-semitic church doctrines that were not removed until 1961. It wasn't exactly the third reich that started killing jews. The roman catholic church worked it infulence to stop jews from buying land, and the christian persecution and murder of Jews goes back so far as its existence. The burning of the Jews in Cologne around 1348? It merely reached its peak under the Nazis, so please don't give us this crap about pagans doing it, because this is an entirely christian thing.
"The roman catholic church worked it infulence to stop jews from buying land, and the christian persecution and murder of Jews goes back so far as its existence. The burning of the Jews in Cologne around 1348? It merely reached its peak under the Nazis, so please don't give us this crap about pagans doing it, because this is an entirely christian thing."?
Don't you dare lump me in the same group as those papist bigots who killed the True Christians as well.
I find it funny that anti-theists like you have the guts to accuse religious people of murder when anti-theists like you have killed not just Jews but people from every damn religion in the world also. You have killed them in Stalin, Lenin and Khruschev's Soviet Union, Hoenecker's East Germany, Ceausescu's Romania, Pol Pott's Cambodia, Mao's China, etc. Some of these murdered millions more than Hitler. Not surprising considering you hate one more religion than we do.
@gneisenau321 And none of these were done in the name of atheism, because atheism is not a belief system, the same way vacume is not a state of matter, and not liking to camp is not a hobby. You cannot say "this happened because of atheism" because atheism as a positive driving force, is nonexistent. Each of these people had their idologies, many cases communism, in other, they were polticial opportunists.
"And none of these were done in the name of atheism, because atheism is not a belief system, the same way vacume is not a state of matter, and not liking to camp is not a hobby."?
Off course they were done out of Atheism. Communism is an anti-religious and anti-theistic ideology just like evolutionism. People were killed because they had a religion.
"Nobody ever killed in the name of atheism"?
Still trying to deny it? Google "state-atheism" if you still don't believe me.
@gneisenau321 Okay, first of all, get your definitions straight.
Evolution is a scientific observation and a theory. It is not an ideology. Never was, never will be.
Second, whatever some religious idiots might write on some wbside, you cannot have a negative position to become a positive driving force, unless you add something else to the mixture. So no, atheism cannot be responsible for anything, by DEFINITION. That like saying not liking apple pie kills people.
"Evolution is a... theory. It is not an ideology."?
A theory that has been used to justify the holocaust, eugenics, involuntary euthanasia and many other atrocities. Looks very religious to me. Anti-theism is intolerance against all religion, all that same hate and persecution religious people have except the one doing those persecutions does not believe in a God. A religious person might hate all groups except his but an anti-theist hates one more group than a religious person does.
"That like saying not liking apple pie kills people."?
Not if you force others to not like apple pie. And many anti-theists have forced people to give up their religion. Even through murder. The fact that people like you can just sit back and deny this without any guilt sickens me.
@gneisenau321 Typical christian. You accuse other peopel of what you were doing. Just for your information, nobody ever forced chnristians in a mass to give up their religion. Even in the Soviet union, they could stil lbe christians, the worst thing that happened was ridicule and being barred from state positions.
"You are still trying to deny the fact that Hitler used evolution to justify murder."
And you outright LIE. Hitler was a creationist, who had Darwins book burned.
"you outright LIE. Hitler was a creationist, who had Darwins book burned."?
You sir are the liar. If Hitler was a Christian Creationist he would not have killed Christians like Paul Schneider, Sophie and Hans Scholl, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many others.
"nobody ever forced chnristians in a mass to give up their religion"?
You are a prime example of anti-theist scum who twist history to make Christians look bad. Roman Empire, North Korea, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Mongolia, etc.
Ah typical christian again. Your argument is basicly: "a Christian cannot do bad things" And you dare call ME a liar? Go hide in a cave chanting that the earh is flat, maybe it becomes true that way by your logic.
Because in reality christians are responible for some of the worst attrocities of human history.
1) "Your argument is basicly: "a Christian cannot do bad"?
Not a very good listener aren't you, Hitler could not have been a Christian because he killed many Christian Creationists himself. Why would he kill Christians if he himself was a Christian.
@gneisenau321 Hitler believed they were blaspheming because they didn't share his particular flavor of christianity so he killed them in the name of his god. Same way he killed jews for killing christ even though without the death of christ all christians would be jewish ;D
@gneisenau321 The crusades, inquisition, religious war, Northern Ireland, heretic and witch burning, catholic and protestants wars, forced conversion, you see there's no need to try to make Christians look bad. The Romans did worship their gods, and when they convert to Christianity, they still went on with their brutal practices. In North Korea, the State is the religion and the dear leader the is god like. Soviet Russia and are the similar. China is somewhat in between. By that I mean that
Respond to this video... while the State has total power, the Party and its leaders aren't seen as godlike. The point regardless if you believe in god or not, one should never give up reason and logical inquiries in favor of faith or speculation. One should never give up one's own ability to think to a entity, institution, or a figurehead to tell what's right or wrong, and how to live on arbitrary basis. It's right or wrong because our book said so. Anyway, what's an anti-theist.
"Typical christian. You accuse other peopel of what you were doing."?
You are the one accusing me of what you are doing.
Hitler was evolutionist. He only banned Origin of Species for such a short time only and accepted it later to justify his ethnic cleansing. Hitler ordered the Old Testament removed as well as various verses of the New Testament. He turned Jesus from a loving and forgiving God into a white supremacist jew fighter.
"Please provide any evidence of these supposed desecration of churches and pagan rituals. I have seen none so far."?
Google "Confessing Church" and "positive christianity" you will find plenty of evidence. If you can't then either you can't read english, or you are just trying to cover up the fact that we Christians are the most persecuted people on earth, or you are purposely denying the facts to piss me off.
"And thats another nice myth you try to press. You christians never fail to amase me with your ability to bring up more and more crap to slander your competition, even with the very crimes christians committed."?
LOL, I wish you Atheists would stop trying to change history and base your arguments on some facts first. All you anti-theists do is point fingers at us saying that we "spread myths" while you yourself only accuse us of doing things we did not do.
LOL when you talked about how how hard it is to rebutt some creationist not because his rebuttals are so good but because there logic is such a fucking mess. I was like THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way, i'm not anti-bible. It's a good read. If everyone lived to it's code the world might be a better place. The only problem is that most people that use the bible as a staple are the most volatile!!!!
@jerrydon575 I agree. If people killed men who slept with other men, and stoned children for being unruly to their parents, the world would be much better.
But people keep twisting the word of the bible into something else.
@vOddy75 True! You hear people quote the bible all the time. They use the quotes they like and skip over the one's they don't agree with. I hate that. I guess they're fair weather fans :)
PLUS!!!! The christian bible was written YEARS after the crucifixion of a man named Jesus. In a scientific aspect that sucks. To have historic credibility you need actual witness's, in which the bible has ZERO!!!! Go ahead read the gospel, if you can prove me wrong, DO IT!
If we all were made in gods image " Adam and Eve" doesn't that makes us all related? If so, does me having sex with my wife equal incest? Better yet doesn't that mean Adam and Eve had sex with their own kids? That's just nasty!
Haha, pretty great video. I don't understand what those 458 people were thinking, rating you down. They must be especially angry people to not be able to see the validity of your arguments and the calmness and friendliness of your demeanor.
@Thomaspain85 Yes, venom isn't doing a parody, because parodies are supposed to be funny and watchable. Forty minute videos full of crap content don't lend themselves well to that
@bokprop420 I'm suprised he's not in a nut house. This is the same man who claimed that while he believed in evolution he lived a life of murderous dabauchery.
Wow your argumentative style is so drawn out! Can't you present your counter argument in an express fashion so that I don't have to be subjected to watching a 24 minute video because your verbal skills are so poor that you can't simplify and/of brief your points? Do you think anybody finds your discourse amusing? Do viewers a favor and stop making videos extemporaneously.
There is something with VFX's face, smug smile and arogant im better than thou voice that makes me want to beat him down into the earth, does that make me a bad person?
"There is something with VFX's face, smug smile and arogant im better than thou voice that makes me want to beat him down into the earth, does that make me a bad person?"
No, it makes you like millions of other Youtubers...
@ZombiesAteMyKat I don't think so, because the theory of evolution states that more types of genes = better chances of getting a better adaptation and thus better results in the whole natural selection thing. That would be like saying that you destroyed apples because you wanted apples.
@TheGoodColonel okay.... did you watch the video before even replying to my comment. VenomFangX says basically those who believe in evolution have no morals and will commit murder. Thus my comment was not serious. Next time I add LOL on the end for your convience, as the hmmmm was just a bit too subtle it seems.
Dude. Best comeback ever. I'm not even being sarcastic, that singlehandedly destroyed the entire concept of religion being the source of morality. There's no reason to assume that in the first place.
@ledgendgoku1 You can't study science in it's entirety. You have to study many differant fields to even get a CLUE of what the many parts of science are. Science gives you the information which you can use to learn how things work. And it also allows you to think. And also, creationist science leads to... CROCADUCK!!!
@ledgendgoku1 Guess what, it took us a hundred years to develop evolution, it took us longer to develop the theory of gravity. We're slowly working on things that HELP us currently. Why bother with figuring out how everything came about? That's your problem, not a rational persons. And plus we'll find it out eventually. Whereas all the proof you need is in an archaic book with horrible science. Now why don't you go ahead and walk off the "edge" of the earth, okay? Or at least try. HA!
@crazyinsane500 That, and nowadays they are working at regrouping the 4 grand forces of the universe (gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclei forces) into one theoretical package. So far, they got gravity, electromagnetism and the strong force in one package with the new strings theory. It's mind-blowing what we can do when we really get to it.
little math for ya.... leaving out noahs flood that supposedly happened 4500 years ago... adam & eve 6000 years ago... 6bil people on earth today... 6,000,0000,000/6000= 1mil people born every year since adam & eve = creationist fail
@acewizhyde much though I hate to argue against someone arguing against creationalists, your logic sucks. Believe or not all 6B people alive today were born in the last 100 yrs or so. The world's population increased by 3Billion (doubled) in the last 50 years. If 6000 years ago Adam & Eve produced 4 children (doubling the population), and each generation continued to double every 50 years, there would now be about 1 billion, billion, billion, billion people (10 to the power of 36).
@postorm i was using creationist logic against them lol using simple equations to caclulate population growth is very inacurate because it fails to take into effect wars famine deseases and catastrophic population changes like the black plague or infant mortality rates in third world countries nice but anyway i was bending facts to support my conclusion instead of bending my conclusion to fit the facts. :) gotta love creationist logic good job on the population doubling thing tho
Has it occurred to you that using using logic on a victim of religion is like trying to fix a blind man's sight by showing him pictures? Religion is a disease that disables the victim's ability to think rationally, Any religion that did not evolves the ability to do so, would have become extinct. Ironic that religion is subject to the evolution algorithm.
I was walking down the street and I saw a phone book, so from this, I assumed PCS is a homosexual! That is why god is false and unicorns are the source of dildos. See how that works? Just like Darwin created evolution! Because of this, I know that morality is false, up is down and my butt itches.
Good videos man. Keep speaking the truth and representing the normal people in the world.
In order for history to be a successful teacher, language to be a useful tool, and knowledge a legitimate search, one must believe that there is order and consistency to the universe. Who or what other than God can provide such a base? Science, is the child of philosophy and philosophy inherently the child Theology. God, order, religion, in that order, are the base of science! The scientific method is a religious doctrine of science!
@VindicatedVigilante No, because Theology is supposed to be knowledge in a truth (whatever the religion), Philosophy as the word says is "pleasure in knowledge" and Science is a method to gain knowledge through experimentation (this knowledge becomming scientific knowledge).
@VindicatedVigilante Sorry, you do know that philosphy was around before religion right? Oops guess that your christian websites did not tell you that.
No, there is no need to believe there is order or consistency in the the universe either.
There also does not need to be a who or what for that either to happened. Natural processes can cause order so no need for god.
Science has roots in philosophy but got rid of it.
Professor Sheila Coulson, from the Oslo University, however claims to have proof that modern humans started performing advanced rituals in Africa 70,000 years ago. She discovered mankind's oldest known ritual in Botswana.'--Quote from AFROL.com.
The history of hunduism dates back 50000 years.
Others say that animism would be the oldest known type of religion ;)
@VindicatedVigilante Ahh so now you change it to Spirituality, wonderful. Spirituality is not automatically religion. Rituals alone are not religion either.
Animism does not have to be a religion either. So you kinda fail there. All Nature is God does not mean that it is a religion. That means deism is a religion too.
@VindicatedVigilante But in the end, does this debate with you have any purpose when you act like a condesending prick? Thinking you know better, when not really refuting anything. Only inserting more bullshit in your theories. I suggest you stop making to many naked assertions and then we might try again.
@NathanWubs LOL I don’t think you understand the nature of a law or science for that matter :) without order nothing would exist ;)... Science is still well rooted in philosophy! Science starts with naturalism and moves forward in time... There are obvious flaws in such a thought process...
@VindicatedVigilante Science does not go out from a naturalist world view. It just studies the natural world. It does not make any claims that the natural world is all.
I understand the nature of a law. But not everything is law. If you think everything is law then I would suggest you study quantum mechanics. If you think everything is order then I suggest you study the chaos theory.
Without order nothing would exist. Then why is there no order in the universe?
@NathanWubs You do understand the postulated conditions through which worlds are formed, stars, through which life began can neither be proven nor observed... therefore it is a matter of philosophical observation beginning with naturalism ;)... I dont think you understand the nature of the uinverse... study fine tuning, then M-Theroy ;)
@VindicatedVigilante Science is also not a religion, becuase it does not have dogma, tenant, worship etc. It just lets itself be led by evidence and nothing more.
Do you understand the idea of a divinity concept? The only reason people believe in God (Energy, Vacuum fluctuations, whatever yours is) is bemuse they are independent of reality not depending on anything to exist... a prime cause!
If VenomFangX said "believing in evolution gives you "no reason" not to be a thief, rapist, or murderer", then that sounds a bit like naturalistic fallacy. or maybe the is-ought problem.
I didn't find either of them under the list of his fallacies.
Dewheart9221 3 weeks ago
VenomfangX could never have 'believed' in evolutionary theory in any meaningful sense, because it's blatantly obvious that he STILL doesn't understand it
dingodavid 2 months ago 2
But if there were any uncertainty at all, it would behoove you to believe you have a parachute.
baigandine 3 months ago
If atheists had no morals, VFX would be dead after 1 video.
superhamzah85 4 months ago 5
How is it possible for 1/3=.3333..... >an irrational number is any real number which cannot be expressed as a fraction a/b...but they are equal. God uses the simple things of this world to confound the wise. If genomes are constantly mutating, how can you possibly table the chromosomes of any given speciesit will only be applicable to a nanosecond in time. So then what is the point of the text book. moving from the point of obsolescence to obsolescence. God uses the simple things of this world.
eirwal777 5 months ago
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@eirwal777 Sir, allow me to assist in your edification. EVOLUTION is being put to practical use in industry and widely used on a DAILY basis by researchers in medicine, biochemistry, molecular biology, and genetics to both formulate hypotheses about biological systems for the purposes of experimental design, as well as to rationalize observed data and prepare applications.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
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@eirwal777 Atomic Theory, Theory of Matter and Energy, Cell Theory, Germ Theory, Theory of Plate Tectonics, Theory of Evolution, Theory of Quantum Mechanics, Theory of Relativity, Theory of Light Energy, Theory of Electromagnetism, Theory of Radioactivity, Theory of Molecular Bonds, Theory of Homeostasis, Theory of Gravity, etc..
These are all theories also...but only evolution and the Big Bang are disputed. The reason is because they conflict with a 2,000 year old holy book.
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
@eirwal777 Please answer these questions: If Noah's Ark were actually true...then why did ALL the Polar bears travel NORTH to the ARTIC and ALL of the penguins travel SOUTH to ANTARCTICA? The Arctic would have been equally hospitable for the penguins and would have been MUCH closer to Mt. Ararat. Also, why did the vast majority of marsupials travel to Australia? Why can't modern technology build a completely wooden ship that is 450 feet long if this allegedly occurred thousands of years ago?
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
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@eirwal777 How many parasitic organisms would have to infest the animals and Noah's family since they ALL must have existed after the flood? This is a selection of the over 1,000 parasitic organisms from a web site: "Ringworm, tapeworms, pinworms, candida albicans (yeast infections) and plasmodia (malaria causing parasite), roundworms including ascaris , hookworms, whipworms, anisakid worm, Onchocerciasis (RIVER BLINDNESS WORM), , etc., etc., etc...".
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
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@eirwal777 Noah's family and the animals would have to be infested with all of the above described parasites and MANY MORE. Every single possible disease, virus, and parasitic organism imaginable. (Strange how apparently none of them had HIV virus...perhaps god invented it for us later on?)
Also, why don't *faith* healers ever restore an amputee's limb? They supposedly cure all sorts of other ailments that cannot be proven...but missing limbs are somehow forgotten.
How strange...
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
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@eirwal777 Also, what was the purpose of your god providing a parasitic eyeball-burrowing worm which currently blinds many thousands of children in third-world countries every year?....many of which are certainly Christians. Do you pray to your god for material items? Many athletes thank god after victories. Do you believe that he would actually grant these requests and yet allow millions of children to die every year and thousands to go blind from the parasitic worms he allegedly provided?
CynicalSkeptic1 2 weeks ago
I stand amazed to see "pack" dynamics of atheists when it comes to attacking those who don't agree with them. God uses the simple things of this world to confound the wise. Who has known the mind of God that he may instruct Him?Jesus Christ has been given all authority in heaven and on earth. And who are you, oh man to attempt to stand in the authority of God, when it has not been given to you if you are carnal? Apart from God, every solution shall pose another question. How does 1/3 =.3333....
eirwal777 5 months ago
A good name is to desired more than riches.....a good name is to be desired more than rubies....Michael in Hebrew means "who is like God"....Daniel means "God's judge"...Hannah means "God's grace". In Jesus time they would wait up to two years to name the baby/child. Jabez means "one who brings pain" . Why do so few seek to name themselves a name of honor rather than a "wicked" name or a condescending name?
eirwal777 5 months ago
It's not because VFX was an atheist, it's because he was/is just simply a bad person who is now afraid that he will be punished.
MikaelDryden 6 months ago
"Individual mutations can be random"
In fact most mutations are random.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH All mutations are random, he he was correct though, they can be, even though they are always.
supercoolguyT 6 months ago
@supercoolguyT
Some mutations are specifically introduced on specific places, like those in the formation of MHC-molecules and immunoglobulines FAC-regions.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Really, seems interesting, but why would that couldn't that be done by natural selection? Care to share your sources? Because i'm very interested, and to me that sounds like it contradicts evolution.
supercoolguyT 6 months ago
@supercoolguyT
My source was a book by Immunology that has long been sold to another student, but I think it was Abbas' and Lichtman's Basic Immunology, third edition. You could probably find a lot more on Google Scholar or even Wikipedia though
Well the enzymes that are equipped to induce these mutations, like VDJ recombinase, evolved, I don't see how this poses a problem to natural selection. They are not germ line mutations by the way, they are somatic.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@supercoolguyT
However I do believe there are certain cell-mediated mechanism that actively induce mutations in germ-lines as a means of increasing variation. But that was a long time ago I read of that, I'd have to research that again.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
VenomFangX is an idiot.
bobster451 6 months ago
@bobster451 that goes without saying :P
warpedwiselegoman 6 months ago
@bobster451
If VenomfangX is an idiot, then how low is your intelligence exactly?
gneisenau321 6 months ago
@gneisenau321 Fine thank you.
bobster451 6 months ago
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And you are a Christian then the implications are that you can murder, and rape, and steal and all you have to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and he will forgive you, and only a small fraction of your life is spent able to receive justice for your crimes by tangible law enforcement, therefore Christianity is evil, therefore it is untrue. :P
MacabreManifesto 6 months ago
Clicking "Like" for the awesome video... but mostly for the HHGTTG mention! May the Great Green Arkleseizure bless you.
McPrfctday 6 months ago
He can't even get the name of Darwins ship correct the numbnuts . Beagle stupid
angrywhenroused 6 months ago
I like the parachute argument. I might use that in future discussions ^_^
PinkProgram 6 months ago
OMG Campbell, what a fucking brick!
arsenelupin123 6 months ago
What's an evolutionist, I've never met a scientist who identify himself and herself as an evolution. They simply accept the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the diversification of life.
petion2010 6 months ago 4
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@petion2010
"They simply accept the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the diversification of life."?
There you go, this is the meaning of "evolutionist".
gneisenau321 6 months ago
I actually provided quotes from his speeches to prove that he was a creationist. What did you provide? One word, one word without its context, a word that is not used to describe evolution the theory and observation at all, but at best, could be used for the verb, but actually nobody speaking german does it.
You are a liar and bone-headed fundie christian. You are more alike Adolf then you think.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"i actually provided quotes from his speeches to prove that he was a creationist. "?
Your quotes only proved he was a theist. For all I know Hitler could have been a theistic evolutionist like Ken Miller.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
For those of you who don't speak german, the important parts would be:
"Woher nehmen wir das Recht zu glauben, der Mensch sei nicht von Uranfaengen das gewesen , was er heute ist?"
"From where do we take the right to think, that the human, wasn't the same from the beginning, as is today"
And at the end he basicly says that there is no sign that humans ever had to make a step from an ape-like state.
Soo, sorry to burst your bubble guys, but...
HITLER WAS A CREATIONIST!
No doubt about that.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
Hitler made several references that said that man came from apes. He was not a Creationist but another self-serving Evolutionist.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
I think the clearest woudl be to bring up one of his speeches from 1942:
"Woher nehmen wir das Recht zu glauben, der Mensch sei nicht von Uranfaengen das gewesen , was er heute ist? Der Blick in die Natur zeigt uns, dass im Bereich der Pflanzen und Tiere Veraenderungen und Weiterbildungen vorkommen. Aber nirgends zeigt sich innherhalb einer Gattung eine Entwicklung von der Weite des Sprungs, den der Mensch gemacht haben muesste, sollte er sich aus einem affenartigen Zustand zu dem, was er ist,"
Hyeesa 7 months ago
good video, subbed
Grace88Anderson 7 months ago
there's a reason so many xian videos disallow comments.
cruciphile 8 months ago
i like the thing you said about drawing up some kind of moral philosophy from HGTTG. i kinda did that with star wars, and you know what? it does work better with what we know than does christianity (of course it's largely the same story, but still... yoda + the jedi don't call their followers to genocide.)
taffysaur 8 months ago
the monkey on the typewriter at the part about "random" natural events occurring was very clever. maybe too clever; i wonder if it was subtle enough as to render it pointless if you know what i mean?
oh well, i still got a laugh out of it.
taffysaur 8 months ago
1:10
Better stay what?
BETTER STAY WHAT?! THIS SEEMS VERY IMPORTANT! THAT PICTURE HAS THUNDER!!!
DannyAces 8 months ago
Example of Evolution: Let's say there are two groups of apes, one living in a jungle & one in a savanha; over thousands of generations, the jungle apes will become more adapted to life in the trees & the savanha apes will become more suited to living in a wide open space. The savanha apes would start to stand upright to see over long distances & carry objects, while the jungle apes would develop long limbs to help them travel through the treetops
Example of Creation: God sculpted man from dirt
Tarynus 8 months ago
*long pause* "..... doesn't the bible say we came from dirt?"
booyahbd 8 months ago
LOL... I never realized I tried ACID because I came from monkeys. I always thought I did it cause it was awesome!
AcmeEvil 8 months ago
VenomFangX could walk around breaking our skulls with a sledge sure. What could inhibit you from doing so without god. Our survival instinct... telling us to break your skull back. What might inhibit VFX from trying this in the first place... the instinct that tells you once you've picked a fight, you're in for a fight. Your genes know better. They are selfish. If you want to reproduce you'd better not unnecessarily fuck with people. Your body is often smarter than your mind.
AcmeEvil 8 months ago
You call VenomfangX a murderer just because he his a Creationist who disagrees with your evolution bullshit? So by your logic everyone who disagrees with you is a murderer who deserves the death sentence? Self-serving hypocrite.
gneisenau321 9 months ago
@gneisenau321 Did you even watch the video? The question was posed because VFX said that there is no morality for believers in evolution and atheism, and that they all live lives of debauchery and murder. Then it is shown that VFX admitted to be an atheist and believer in evolution up until a few years ago. Therefore, for his first statement to be true (that all atheists and believers in evolution live lives of debauchery and murder), he himself would of had to live a similar life.
AvalonDraconis 9 months ago
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@AvalonDraconis
"VFX said that there is no morality for believers in evolution and atheism, and that they all live lives of debauchery and murder... Therefore, for his first statement to be true... he himself would of had to live a similar life."
Well, now that you've mentioned it, isn't everyone a murderer since everyone at least once in their lifetimes have hated someone else for no good reason?
gneisenau321 9 months ago
@gneisenau321 VenomFanX states:
#1. Beliving in evolution makes you a cold-blooded murderer.
#2. He himself belived in evolution up until a few years ago.
This leaves us with two possibilities. Either VenomFanX was a cold-blooded murderer, or he lied. The question is obviously rethorical to make VenomFanX admit he was lying, and not to imply that he's a murderer. I can't see how anyone could miss this. You didn't even bother to actually listen to the video before commenting did you?
TheLivirus 8 months ago
@TheLivirus
#1. Every human is a murderer. If you are angry with someone else without a good reason, is a murderer. Evolution or more specifically "survival of the fittest" has been used by many to justify murder.
#2. Yeah, he was a cold, don't give a damn about whether people die or not, but only gives a damn about what benefits him, atheist person... anything else?
gneisenau321 8 months ago
@gneisenau321 You are completly lost dude. Not beliving in god does not change as much as you'd think. We are still social human beings, bubbeling with beautiful emotions just like you.
Murderer is one who commits murder, no more no less.
"..."Survival of the fittest" has been used by many to justify murder."
Hitler? In his speaches and publications he made clear that Christianity was a central motivation for his antisemitism. I challange you to show me more examples than I've got fingers.
TheLivirus 8 months ago
@TheLivirus
"Not beliving in god does not change as much as you'd think. We are still social human beings, bubbeling with beautiful emotions just like you."?
True, the only difference between you and me is that I have met God and you haven't. However, even that still does not make me more moral than you are to be honest. Only reason I am saved is because of God's free gift of Salvation through Christ and not my own morality.
gneisenau321 8 months ago
@TheLivirus
"Hitler? In his speaches and publications he made clear that Christianity was a central motivation for his antisemitism."?
Hitler used Christianity as a propaganda tool. It was never his "motivation". Socio-Evolution was the motivation. Hitler ordered the removal of the Old Testament from the Bibles because it was "Jewish". He murdered non-nazi Christians like Paul Schneider and Dietrich Bonhoeffer for not conforming to the twisted new doctrine of "positive christianity".
gneisenau321 8 months ago
@gneisenau321 Let's pretend you're right... the challange still remains. One deranged man does not prove your point. I mean it's not like no murders have been commited in the name of any religion.
TheLivirus 8 months ago
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@TheLivirus
"I mean it's not like no murders have been commited in the name of any religion."?
Yah, so? The religion itself is not necessarily the problem. However, people have been killed in the name of state atheism.
gneisenau321 8 months ago
@gneisenau321 "Socio-Evolution was the motivation"
Oh yeah, Hitler loved Evolution, thats why had Darwins book burned and the theory of evolution banned from schools.
Sorry pal, it is pretty clear that o'l Adolfs motivation was complitley coming from his delusion that he was an agent of God. Read the Mein Kampf, he made it pretty clear in there. So far every claim to the contrary was devoid of any evidence.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race". He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood."
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Exuse me, but you are WRONG. I happen to speak german, and no, in german you don't use th word entwicklung to say evolution. Entwicklung means direct development, wich evolution isn't, Because a single organism doesn't "evolve" A german would use the word evolution for evolution too, it just sound a bit different.
Hitler made it pretty clear that he beleived in divine creation, and in his speeches he constantly brought up finishing what Jesus began.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
Are you pretending to be dumb or are you really dumb? Go to Google translate and you will find that Entwicklung can also translate to evolution.
"Because a single organism doesn't "evolve""?
Thats because there isn't such a thing as evolution in the first place.
"Hitler made it pretty clear that he beleived in divine creation, and in his speeches he constantly brought up finishing what Jesus began"?
Hitler believed in a white "jesus" not the Jesus of the Bible.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Ahh, and the cat is out of the sack.
You are a big fat liar!
Evolution is evolution in german. Period. Entwicklung is never used in that context, it doesn't mean evolution, never meant it. I do speak german, i am half austrian, so you can stuff your lies where the sun doesn't shine. If any transalation would come up with that, it only means the transalation is crap, i know my own language, thank you.
Geh zum teufel blödmann. Wer sonsts will noch lügen über deutsch verbreiten?
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
Well, Hitler was more Austrian than you and in google translate, "entwicklung" can also be translated to evolution. So what is the problem? Just because you are part austrian doesn't mean you can deny what a particular word means so that you can make evolution look good. You are wasting you time as well as mine. And whats this happening now? You seem to be resorting to insults. Have I driven you to a corner?
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Because stupidity like yours makes my head hurt.
You brought up entwickling because it stands in the main kampf, but did you actually read the context? No of course you didn't, you merely counter a word you have no idea how it would be used in german.
Go read its actualy transalation. Its plain and clearly standing there. Hitler professed to be a christian, he professed his love and admiration for Jesus, and he bleeived he had a mission given to him by God. Thats is what counts.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa Not some imagined relation to one word you don't even know in what sentence they were. Your argument is basicly nonexistent, yet you continue to try to hammer it in.
Guess what, i got a book about economics that has the word entwicklung in it too, because it speaks about economic development, but in your logic, it must be about evolution.
Idiot.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
I never said it must be about evolution, I said "entwicklung" can be used for evolution. You are still trying to deny the fact that Hitler used evolution to justify murder.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"Hitler professed to be a christian, he professed his love and admiration for Jesus, and he bleeived he had a mission given to him by God. Thats is what counts."?
No, the fact that hitler professed to be Christian is not what "counts". Its what you hope to be true so that you can give yourselves an excuse to accuse Christians of murder. Hitler said he was Christian. But he was another white-supremacist heretic who removed the Old Testament from Scripture because it was too "jewish".
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Plus you are forgetting the FACT, that Origin of the species was banned in the third reich. Please explain me this controversity then. If Hitler beleived in evolution, why did he have Darwins book banned, and burned along other works on Nazi book burnings?
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
Hitler was a theist who believed in "positive christianity", a neo-paganized version of Christianity. He initially rejected "origin of species" to gain the trust of the theistic population. But he later appropriated it as another justification for his "Aryan race" plan. After this was done Hitler turned his back on the churches and created "positive christianity". Head of the SS Heinrich Himmler then proceeded to desecrate churches by using them to conduct pagan rituals.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 And thats another nice myth you try to press. You christians never fail to amase me with your ability to bring up more and more crap to slander your competition, even with the very crimes christians committed.
Hitler was no more a pagan as emperor Constantine, who made christianity the state religion in Rome, and then proceeded to murder thousands of people, burn libraries, demolish pagan temples ( irreplacable gems of human culture.) and allso had his own family executed. Yet...
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa Yet people today think it was the pagans who persecuted christians, when it was dispropotionally the other way around.
But back to the third reich. Please provide any evidence of these supposed desecration of churches and pagan rituals. I have seen none so far. But plenty of cases where the SS persecuted "heretics" people who didn't follow catholic church doctrine. A definite anti-semitism that was rooted in christian anti-semitism, that can be tracked to Martin Luthers works and anti.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa Anti-semitic church doctrines that were not removed until 1961. It wasn't exactly the third reich that started killing jews. The roman catholic church worked it infulence to stop jews from buying land, and the christian persecution and murder of Jews goes back so far as its existence. The burning of the Jews in Cologne around 1348? It merely reached its peak under the Nazis, so please don't give us this crap about pagans doing it, because this is an entirely christian thing.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"The roman catholic church worked it infulence to stop jews from buying land, and the christian persecution and murder of Jews goes back so far as its existence. The burning of the Jews in Cologne around 1348? It merely reached its peak under the Nazis, so please don't give us this crap about pagans doing it, because this is an entirely christian thing."?
Don't you dare lump me in the same group as those papist bigots who killed the True Christians as well.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
I find it funny that anti-theists like you have the guts to accuse religious people of murder when anti-theists like you have killed not just Jews but people from every damn religion in the world also. You have killed them in Stalin, Lenin and Khruschev's Soviet Union, Hoenecker's East Germany, Ceausescu's Romania, Pol Pott's Cambodia, Mao's China, etc. Some of these murdered millions more than Hitler. Not surprising considering you hate one more religion than we do.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 And none of these were done in the name of atheism, because atheism is not a belief system, the same way vacume is not a state of matter, and not liking to camp is not a hobby. You cannot say "this happened because of atheism" because atheism as a positive driving force, is nonexistent. Each of these people had their idologies, many cases communism, in other, they were polticial opportunists.
Nobody ever killed in the name of atheism
Christians hawever, do kill in the name of God.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"And none of these were done in the name of atheism, because atheism is not a belief system, the same way vacume is not a state of matter, and not liking to camp is not a hobby."?
Off course they were done out of Atheism. Communism is an anti-religious and anti-theistic ideology just like evolutionism. People were killed because they had a religion.
"Nobody ever killed in the name of atheism"?
Still trying to deny it? Google "state-atheism" if you still don't believe me.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Okay, first of all, get your definitions straight.
Evolution is a scientific observation and a theory. It is not an ideology. Never was, never will be.
Second, whatever some religious idiots might write on some wbside, you cannot have a negative position to become a positive driving force, unless you add something else to the mixture. So no, atheism cannot be responsible for anything, by DEFINITION. That like saying not liking apple pie kills people.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"Evolution is a... theory. It is not an ideology."?
A theory that has been used to justify the holocaust, eugenics, involuntary euthanasia and many other atrocities. Looks very religious to me. Anti-theism is intolerance against all religion, all that same hate and persecution religious people have except the one doing those persecutions does not believe in a God. A religious person might hate all groups except his but an anti-theist hates one more group than a religious person does.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"That like saying not liking apple pie kills people."?
Not if you force others to not like apple pie. And many anti-theists have forced people to give up their religion. Even through murder. The fact that people like you can just sit back and deny this without any guilt sickens me.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Typical christian. You accuse other peopel of what you were doing. Just for your information, nobody ever forced chnristians in a mass to give up their religion. Even in the Soviet union, they could stil lbe christians, the worst thing that happened was ridicule and being barred from state positions.
"You are still trying to deny the fact that Hitler used evolution to justify murder."
And you outright LIE. Hitler was a creationist, who had Darwins book burned.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"you outright LIE. Hitler was a creationist, who had Darwins book burned."?
You sir are the liar. If Hitler was a Christian Creationist he would not have killed Christians like Paul Schneider, Sophie and Hans Scholl, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many others.
"nobody ever forced chnristians in a mass to give up their religion"?
You are a prime example of anti-theist scum who twist history to make Christians look bad. Roman Empire, North Korea, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Mongolia, etc.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321
"he would not have killed"
Ah typical christian again. Your argument is basicly: "a Christian cannot do bad things" And you dare call ME a liar? Go hide in a cave chanting that the earh is flat, maybe it becomes true that way by your logic.
Because in reality christians are responible for some of the worst attrocities of human history.
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
1) "Your argument is basicly: "a Christian cannot do bad"?
Not a very good listener aren't you, Hitler could not have been a Christian because he killed many Christian Creationists himself. Why would he kill Christians if he himself was a Christian.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 Hitler believed they were blaspheming because they didn't share his particular flavor of christianity so he killed them in the name of his god. Same way he killed jews for killing christ even though without the death of christ all christians would be jewish ;D
PinkProgram 6 months ago
@Hyeesa
2) "Go hide in a cave chanting that the earh(earth) is flat"?
Christians don't believe the earth was flat. You said the earth was flat. BTW, learn to spell "earth".
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"Because in reality christians are responible(responsible) for some of the worst attrocities(atrocities) of human history."?
Anti-theist committed more atrocities in a week than Christians could in a decade. But seriously, learn to spell.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@gneisenau321 The crusades, inquisition, religious war, Northern Ireland, heretic and witch burning, catholic and protestants wars, forced conversion, you see there's no need to try to make Christians look bad. The Romans did worship their gods, and when they convert to Christianity, they still went on with their brutal practices. In North Korea, the State is the religion and the dear leader the is god like. Soviet Russia and are the similar. China is somewhat in between. By that I mean that
petion2010 6 months ago
Respond to this video... while the State has total power, the Party and its leaders aren't seen as godlike. The point regardless if you believe in god or not, one should never give up reason and logical inquiries in favor of faith or speculation. One should never give up one's own ability to think to a entity, institution, or a figurehead to tell what's right or wrong, and how to live on arbitrary basis. It's right or wrong because our book said so. Anyway, what's an anti-theist.
petion2010 6 months ago
@Hyeesa
"Typical christian. You accuse other peopel of what you were doing."?
You are the one accusing me of what you are doing.
Hitler was evolutionist. He only banned Origin of Species for such a short time only and accepted it later to justify his ethnic cleansing. Hitler ordered the Old Testament removed as well as various verses of the New Testament. He turned Jesus from a loving and forgiving God into a white supremacist jew fighter.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"Please provide any evidence of these supposed desecration of churches and pagan rituals. I have seen none so far."?
Google "Confessing Church" and "positive christianity" you will find plenty of evidence. If you can't then either you can't read english, or you are just trying to cover up the fact that we Christians are the most persecuted people on earth, or you are purposely denying the facts to piss me off.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
@Hyeesa
"And thats another nice myth you try to press. You christians never fail to amase me with your ability to bring up more and more crap to slander your competition, even with the very crimes christians committed."?
LOL, I wish you Atheists would stop trying to change history and base your arguments on some facts first. All you anti-theists do is point fingers at us saying that we "spread myths" while you yourself only accuse us of doing things we did not do.
gneisenau321 7 months ago
Campbell and Reece bio textbook is awesome! I loved it in AP Bio my senior year of HS. Great class.
tenthousandmileslate 9 months ago
I would have to go with 'shockofgod,' although him and vfx could very easily be the same person.
FewL4no1 9 months ago
i'm really really glad i watched this video until the end.
Svourdroculed 9 months ago
Don't put demotivators in your video if your website's watermark is going to cut off every punch-line. ....besides that, good video response.
StevenBee2 9 months ago
the bunny has pancakes on is head
Hereticofreason 10 months ago
LOL when you talked about how how hard it is to rebutt some creationist not because his rebuttals are so good but because there logic is such a fucking mess. I was like THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hereticofreason 10 months ago
By the way, i'm not anti-bible. It's a good read. If everyone lived to it's code the world might be a better place. The only problem is that most people that use the bible as a staple are the most volatile!!!!
jerrydon575 10 months ago
@jerrydon575 I agree. If people killed men who slept with other men, and stoned children for being unruly to their parents, the world would be much better.
But people keep twisting the word of the bible into something else.
vOddy75 10 months ago
@vOddy75 True! You hear people quote the bible all the time. They use the quotes they like and skip over the one's they don't agree with. I hate that. I guess they're fair weather fans :)
jerrydon575 10 months ago
@jerrydon575 I was sarcastic, by the way. If people did half the shit the Bible commands, the world would be EVEN WORSE than it currently is.
vOddy75 10 months ago
PLUS!!!! The christian bible was written YEARS after the crucifixion of a man named Jesus. In a scientific aspect that sucks. To have historic credibility you need actual witness's, in which the bible has ZERO!!!! Go ahead read the gospel, if you can prove me wrong, DO IT!
jerrydon575 10 months ago
If we all were made in gods image " Adam and Eve" doesn't that makes us all related? If so, does me having sex with my wife equal incest? Better yet doesn't that mean Adam and Eve had sex with their own kids? That's just nasty!
jerrydon575 10 months ago
What I find humorous about VFX's banana/bee statement is that plants hadn't yet evolved back when life began.
NUTCASE71733 11 months ago
i LIKE THIS GUY. ANYBODY WITH A PROBLEM WITH IT CAN TALK TO THE WEATHERBY .223
telemanque 11 months ago
i love campbell seventh edition i read that cover to cover in grade 11
Imoutogetyou 11 months ago
Haha, pretty great video. I don't understand what those 458 people were thinking, rating you down. They must be especially angry people to not be able to see the validity of your arguments and the calmness and friendliness of your demeanor.
TKnightcrawler 11 months ago
Your laughter is priceless.
QuestForTheGrail 11 months ago
The idea that all life evolved from some primodial cell billions of years ago is a myth.
Theory of Evolution is a joke.
vizion24 11 months ago
@vizion24 Thank you for not knowing anything about Evolution :)
firestorm037 11 months ago
@vizion24
You're an idiot.
fookingfantastic 11 months ago
@vizion24
No, man.
Actually we can observe evolution happening...ever heard of germs becoming immune to antibiotics?
There´s your proof, moron.
NKA23 11 months ago
@vizion24
Prove it.
NUTCASE71733 11 months ago
Are you guys sure that Venom isn't doing a parody of a creationists?
Thomaspain85 11 months ago 2
@Thomaspain85 Makes you wonder doesn't it?
MOPEDBRAD 11 months ago
@Thomaspain85 Yes, venom isn't doing a parody, because parodies are supposed to be funny and watchable. Forty minute videos full of crap content don't lend themselves well to that
FALCO64125 11 months ago 2
@Thomaspain85 he's in seminary...
bokprop420 11 months ago
@bokprop420 I'm suprised he's not in a nut house. This is the same man who claimed that while he believed in evolution he lived a life of murderous dabauchery.
Thomaspain85 11 months ago
@Thomaspain85 it's a shame really.
bokprop420 11 months ago
this venom fag x guy has the most punchable face on the internet
Ihatemyusernamemore 1 year ago 48
@Ihatemyusernamemore
Seems as if he finally realized it himself and got a bouncer because of that.
They´re also hmmm "special friends" as rumors say...
NKA23 11 months ago 2
@Ihatemyusernamemore
I agree. VFX does have that expression of haughty hubris that beckons a heartfelt punch.
However, that prick of How The World Works causes more damage to reason, since VFX is so laughable and demonstrably WRONG.
L Doren's neo-con propaganda is more insidious. Also, he stares like a snake eyeballing a mouse. So, he gets my vote for "most punch-able" face.
Of course it would be satisfying wholesome work to punch either of them, but Doren gets the prize.
OldSchoolSkill 10 months ago
@Ihatemyusernamemore Have you seen Nephy?
mortensjoegren 8 months ago
@Ihatemyusernamemore
More than Rebecca Black? LOL.
gneisenau321 8 months ago
Wow your argumentative style is so drawn out! Can't you present your counter argument in an express fashion so that I don't have to be subjected to watching a 24 minute video because your verbal skills are so poor that you can't simplify and/of brief your points? Do you think anybody finds your discourse amusing? Do viewers a favor and stop making videos extemporaneously.
mrzeroten 1 year ago
There is something with VFX's face, smug smile and arogant im better than thou voice that makes me want to beat him down into the earth, does that make me a bad person?
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude Short answer is... no :)
rooflee 1 year ago
@rooflee And whats the long one?:P
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude Long one is: Fuck no! lol
rooflee 1 year ago 2
@Sweddude
"There is something with VFX's face, smug smile and arogant im better than thou voice that makes me want to beat him down into the earth, does that make me a bad person?"
No, it makes you like millions of other Youtubers...
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago 21
@CynicalSkeptic1 bahahahahahahahaha, yes.
eTernaLBOWLING 11 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 you know how coyotes kill the defects in their pack? I think its the same concept when I want to beat the shit out of venomfangx.
Hereticofreason 10 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1
Wow, looks like millions of Youtubers are bad people then.
gneisenau321 8 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 - No, it makes him delusional, because he couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag.
GlorifiedTruth 8 months ago
Does VFX say Darwin went on the Bugle? I thought it was the Beagle!
johnnystratman1 1 year ago
@johnnystratman1 Boom Boom Kishhhhh
mrzeroten 1 year ago
This video sucks! And the title as well.
4thcoming 1 year ago
I wonder, has anyone actually used the theory of evolution as a excuse within a murder trial hmmmm.
ZombiesAteMyKat 1 year ago
@ZombiesAteMyKat I don't think so, because the theory of evolution states that more types of genes = better chances of getting a better adaptation and thus better results in the whole natural selection thing. That would be like saying that you destroyed apples because you wanted apples.
TheGoodColonel 1 year ago
@TheGoodColonel okay.... did you watch the video before even replying to my comment. VenomFangX says basically those who believe in evolution have no morals and will commit murder. Thus my comment was not serious. Next time I add LOL on the end for your convience, as the hmmmm was just a bit too subtle it seems.
ZombiesAteMyKat 1 year ago
20:00
"says who"?
Dude. Best comeback ever. I'm not even being sarcastic, that singlehandedly destroyed the entire concept of religion being the source of morality. There's no reason to assume that in the first place.
"says who" indeed.
RaustBD 1 year ago
Why do so many Christian ministers live a life of "debauchery" if they believe in creationism?
mycal64 1 year ago
why do you people hate VenomFangX he told the truth ...... I studied science and I know its not true its total bullshit......
ledgendgoku1 1 year ago
@ledgendgoku1 May I ask WHAT type of science you studie?!
grundkvist 1 year ago
@ledgendgoku1 You can't study science in it's entirety. You have to study many differant fields to even get a CLUE of what the many parts of science are. Science gives you the information which you can use to learn how things work. And it also allows you to think. And also, creationist science leads to... CROCADUCK!!!
crazyinsane500 1 year ago
@crazyinsane500 of course science is used to find out how things work.... but it can't simply find out how everything came about ..... ???
ledgendgoku1 1 year ago
@ledgendgoku1 Guess what, it took us a hundred years to develop evolution, it took us longer to develop the theory of gravity. We're slowly working on things that HELP us currently. Why bother with figuring out how everything came about? That's your problem, not a rational persons. And plus we'll find it out eventually. Whereas all the proof you need is in an archaic book with horrible science. Now why don't you go ahead and walk off the "edge" of the earth, okay? Or at least try. HA!
crazyinsane500 1 year ago
@crazyinsane500 That, and nowadays they are working at regrouping the 4 grand forces of the universe (gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclei forces) into one theoretical package. So far, they got gravity, electromagnetism and the strong force in one package with the new strings theory. It's mind-blowing what we can do when we really get to it.
TheGoodColonel 1 year ago
little math for ya.... leaving out noahs flood that supposedly happened 4500 years ago... adam & eve 6000 years ago... 6bil people on earth today... 6,000,0000,000/6000= 1mil people born every year since adam & eve = creationist fail
acewizhyde 1 year ago
@acewizhyde much though I hate to argue against someone arguing against creationalists, your logic sucks. Believe or not all 6B people alive today were born in the last 100 yrs or so. The world's population increased by 3Billion (doubled) in the last 50 years. If 6000 years ago Adam & Eve produced 4 children (doubling the population), and each generation continued to double every 50 years, there would now be about 1 billion, billion, billion, billion people (10 to the power of 36).
postorm 1 year ago
@postorm i was using creationist logic against them lol using simple equations to caclulate population growth is very inacurate because it fails to take into effect wars famine deseases and catastrophic population changes like the black plague or infant mortality rates in third world countries nice but anyway i was bending facts to support my conclusion instead of bending my conclusion to fit the facts. :) gotta love creationist logic good job on the population doubling thing tho
acewizhyde 1 year ago
@acewizhyde creationist logic= oxymoron :-)
Has it occurred to you that using using logic on a victim of religion is like trying to fix a blind man's sight by showing him pictures? Religion is a disease that disables the victim's ability to think rationally, Any religion that did not evolves the ability to do so, would have become extinct. Ironic that religion is subject to the evolution algorithm.
postorm 1 year ago
456 people dont know what the actual ten commandments are. =P
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
Rather be made from a Monkey, than Dirt.
Cujoh 1 year ago
Why is this guy (VFX) such a puritanical jerk?? He's young & not BAD looking.....hasnt he ever gotten laid / blown?
dangard88 1 year ago
I was walking down the street and I saw a phone book, so from this, I assumed PCS is a homosexual! That is why god is false and unicorns are the source of dildos. See how that works? Just like Darwin created evolution! Because of this, I know that morality is false, up is down and my butt itches.
Good videos man. Keep speaking the truth and representing the normal people in the world.
CrossTheGrigori 1 year ago
In order for history to be a successful teacher, language to be a useful tool, and knowledge a legitimate search, one must believe that there is order and consistency to the universe. Who or what other than God can provide such a base? Science, is the child of philosophy and philosophy inherently the child Theology. God, order, religion, in that order, are the base of science! The scientific method is a religious doctrine of science!
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante No, because Theology is supposed to be knowledge in a truth (whatever the religion), Philosophy as the word says is "pleasure in knowledge" and Science is a method to gain knowledge through experimentation (this knowledge becomming scientific knowledge).
7omnia7 1 year ago
@7omnia7 1st study anthropology and the development of science. Second God gives reason to order. Order gives reason to science! ;)
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
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@VindicatedVigilante
"God gives reason to order. Order gives reason to science"
This is the basic difference between people who have Faith and people who don't.
In the first case there has to be a reason for everything (a deterministic Universe?)
In the second it's not necessary...
Who's right?
Maybe both!!! (Study Phyisics) ;)
By a rare species in extinction (an Agnostic)
7omnia7 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante Sorry, you do know that philosphy was around before religion right? Oops guess that your christian websites did not tell you that.
No, there is no need to believe there is order or consistency in the the universe either.
There also does not need to be a who or what for that either to happened. Natural processes can cause order so no need for god.
Science has roots in philosophy but got rid of it.
NathanWubs 1 year ago
@NathanWubs Yea... no! Spirituality presupposes philosophy! ;)
Professor Sheila Coulson, from the Oslo University, however claims to have proof that modern humans started performing advanced rituals in Africa 70,000 years ago. She discovered mankind's oldest known ritual in Botswana.'--Quote from AFROL.com.
The history of hunduism dates back 50000 years.
Others say that animism would be the oldest known type of religion ;)
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante Ahh so now you change it to Spirituality, wonderful. Spirituality is not automatically religion. Rituals alone are not religion either.
Animism does not have to be a religion either. So you kinda fail there. All Nature is God does not mean that it is a religion. That means deism is a religion too.
NathanWubs 1 year ago
@NathanWubs Hinduism is a religion, Animism is a religion, Deism is a religion... how are you define religion?
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante But in the end, does this debate with you have any purpose when you act like a condesending prick? Thinking you know better, when not really refuting anything. Only inserting more bullshit in your theories. I suggest you stop making to many naked assertions and then we might try again.
NathanWubs 1 year ago
@NathanWubs LOL I don’t think you understand the nature of a law or science for that matter :) without order nothing would exist ;)... Science is still well rooted in philosophy! Science starts with naturalism and moves forward in time... There are obvious flaws in such a thought process...
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante Science does not go out from a naturalist world view. It just studies the natural world. It does not make any claims that the natural world is all.
I understand the nature of a law. But not everything is law. If you think everything is law then I would suggest you study quantum mechanics. If you think everything is order then I suggest you study the chaos theory.
Without order nothing would exist. Then why is there no order in the universe?
NathanWubs 1 year ago
@NathanWubs You do understand the postulated conditions through which worlds are formed, stars, through which life began can neither be proven nor observed... therefore it is a matter of philosophical observation beginning with naturalism ;)... I dont think you understand the nature of the uinverse... study fine tuning, then M-Theroy ;)
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@NathanWubs further more study thermodynamice (in reguard to both the Chaos theroy and The Uncertainty Principle)
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago
@VindicatedVigilante Science is also not a religion, becuase it does not have dogma, tenant, worship etc. It just lets itself be led by evidence and nothing more.
NathanWubs 1 year ago
Do you understand the idea of a divinity concept? The only reason people believe in God (Energy, Vacuum fluctuations, whatever yours is) is bemuse they are independent of reality not depending on anything to exist... a prime cause!
VindicatedVigilante 1 year ago