Shuai Jiao Seminar at NY Combat Sambo

[braun2033]

the warm ups are not flashy moves. They are forms and belt cracking. Forms clean up your technique and belt cracking gives you tendon and ligament strength

[symmetry08]

chinese combat technics weren't effective in real life situations. Prove how many nations that totally disregarded chinese styles occupied them again and again? History is the best teacher to learn from.

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@symmetry08

well lets see,

kungfu->Karate->taekwondo

chinese wrestling/chi na (kungfu)->Jujitsu->judo>bjj/sa­mbo

Those are the mainstream arts, i can keep going..

[shiplett100]

This guy is a joke!!!

[shiplett100]

This guy is a joke!!!

[Brazilianjj]

most of those warm us seemed pointless... alot of flashy moves..

[AsturiasGuitar]

I think that what he means is that the application of strength in Shuai Jiao is more obvious to the naked eye than let's say Judo or Jujutsu. I don't think that he means that Shuai Jiao is all about muscle and no technique

[jonathanjeffer]

This guy is teaching this stuff to Sambists and Judoka? Teach yer Granny how to suck eggs...

[clearcombat]

I love this. I think I will incorporate this into my MMA training for myself and my students. I looks very flowing.

[billysue2]

@clearcombat why would you do that,its a jacket based style with very few coaches outside china and very shallow talent pool,if matt furey can win its world champs that doesnt say much.Its been proven over and over that olympic wrestling is the best style for mma,judo can also be adapted but would require a high level to pull it off.

[bezerka]

If i saw him teaching, i'd quit the class, this guys a noob.

[UpstateBrawler]

Please issue refund

[ShuaiJiaoWrestling]

Chris Friedman is garbage.

[bug456squasher]

I don't know who this guy trained with but his technique is whack! It's my opinion he wasted two years in Bejing if he was studying Shuai Chiao. Hopefully he took the time to learn the culture and language because his Shuai Chiao looks lacking.

[gabbomushy]

im not really familiar with him or the details of this artform..but does anyone think true shuai jiao is incorporated in sanshou or sanda?

[Maxi358]

Yes, true Shuai jiao is incorporated in sanshou(da). There are six styles of Shuai Jiao in the world today. The style practiced in Sanda is Baoding style Shuai Jiao( Kuai Jiao AKA "Fast Wrestling"). The reason for this is because of its fast application of technique and its dependence on the human anatomy(arms, waist etc.) rather than one's uniform. Check out "Chinese Fast Wrestling for Fighting: The Art of San Shou Kuai Jiao" by Liang, Shou-You and Tai G. Ngo for more information on this art.

[gabbomushy]

thank you very much sir/maam(sorry i dont know your gender) at least i found a friendly reply hehe.. alot of people here trash talk and calling names if one is ignorant or asking for information thank you much appreciated

[Maxi358]

Sir, lol. Yeah I'm a man. It's no problem. I'm actually a Chinese Martial Arts enthusiast and I like to get the word out. I know a lot of people trash talk on youtube, but internet warriors don't scare anyone, lol.

[InexpensiveRobot]

I'm not sure of the rules regarding tournament Sanshou and whether or not they allow throws, but I don't see how it could not be incorporated. Shuai Jiao is the oldest recorded Chinese Martial Art, and is responsible for modern day forms like JJ and Judo. The excellent thing about Shuai Jiao is that it has no sacrificial throws that you might find in other forms. Such a soft style of spoiling one's balance is unstoppable when its paired with a hard style like Xing Yi or Bagua.

[billysue2]

@InexpensiveRobot SAN SHOUS THROWS ARE FROM CHINESE WRESTLING,look at any sanshou video and youll see trow after throw.The only chinese styles worth anything are the ones you see used in sanshou.

[InexpensiveRobot]

I hope this is a joke. I mean I've heard of Chris before, but his thoughts on Shuai Jiao are ridiculous. It does not take tremendous strength to perform these moves. If you are well versed in this art, the mother of all martial arts, you can manipulate anyone. I hold respect for almost every style, but his stances and advice are piss poor. Search "combat Shuai Jiao" if you want to see a real demonstration.

[bufandri]

I agree

[TheAmazingRandall]

6:02 I woulda died laughing if he farted

[masterfujin]

Yes, this seminar bothers me as well since Chris Friedman insulted an art that I hold dear, however, since this is the internet, let people decide what they will...and let the rest of us Shuai Jiao people start showing what the old teachers have hidden for thousands of years.

[masterfujin]

Like Steven Ray said...The combat side includes striking, kicking, joint locking and throwing. The Taiwanese Police are taught Shuai Jiao restraining techniques (Dai Bu Shu...as Slonsky mentioned) which include ground locks.

[SakoYo]

The way they do their throws is completely different from anything I've seen in judo or sambo.

[sgoldschool]

Chris Friedman was just in a Kung Fu magazine claiming to have studied 20 yrs.

I saw him about 5 years ago when he first started as a beginner...sad

[jairjkd81]

Another way to be a warrior, it's interesting learn about other martial arts so I will learn. Thnx!!!!

[gc3554]

not trying to be a jerk here, but all that i needed to hear was your first initial comment that SJ takes alot of strength. That tells me just how little u know! Please leave SJ to those of us that truely love and understand it. Don't teach somthing that u know nothing about!

[kempobrad]

alot of things seem to take alot of strength, but it takes less and less the more you practice it.

[billysue2]

@gc3554 in all fairness,all competitive wrestling demands very highly developed strength because everyone knows the same techs.This stuff is no different from freestyle ,greco or judo in that aspect,of all of then id say greco requires the greatest strength due to lack of jacket and very restrictive rules

[chihlitiger]

He definitely has trained in Beijing style but I would say his stance is too high, for example in the belt snapping. In the first part your upper leg should be almost horizontal to the ground and in the second part your back leg should be pushed backward to gain maximum distance.

[StevenRayW]

I am a Shuai Jiao practitioner from Taiwan (Hebei Baoding system), and I must say that Mr. Friedman's comments about the SJ being crude and relying on strength is not quite correct. There are different styles of SJ and, within them, various levels of focus. At advanced levels, SJ practitioners blend striking, kicking, and joint-locking into throwing so that it requires little brute froce. Look for clips of SJ/ six harmonies praying mantis master Hu Xi-Lin on Youtube to see what I mean.

[StevenRayW]

And by the way, all that "shoving" that he talks about in the clip later turn into "striking."

[WrestlingKingTV]

AWESOME

[shuaiflip]

Not meaning to be too objective this fellows Shuai Chiao is not the best as far as execution. That said what he s showing is good, Shuai Chiao. It is not an art that can be learn in a year or even two, by the way ju jit su came from Shuai Chiao.

There are sport versions, military versions, and police versions.

[shuaiflip]

To those that believe it is not effective, while in NYC look up Jeng Hsign ping or any of his students. In Central Florida Gonzalo (Jr) Hernandez in the Tampa Bay area. In Ohio at OSU Mike Grizby, Akron Gene L Chicoine, San Jose, California James Man Chin, Austin, Texas John Wang, Atlanta David Lin, Chicago Dr Brian Wu

[Makikomi24]

In the early days of the art, it was about trying to throw the opponent off a roof. The throws are for real.

[cnhatton]

Forget the haters!! There are some really cool throws and drills here; variations that you might not get in judo class!!

[malcolmxxx23]

u try this BULLshit in a fight wit me ill break your face, stomp on you, then repeat. what the fuck r these other guys wasting their time doin this shit for? nobody in the world fights like this.

[malcolmxxx23]

also if u wanna learn how to fight for real i suggest traing heavily in: jiu-jitsu, muay thai, and western boxing. that might actually keep you from getting your ass kicked in the street trying this dumb shit!!!

[Greatsocratesghost]

They are virtually the same techniques, wtf are you talking about?

[SoundwaveSuperior373]

well look it here another tap out kid who thinks hes tuff cuz he watches ufc

[RobM77]

It's a sport isn't it?! :-D

[gregoryfromcali]

Nice vid. I really like SC's solo training methods.

[josecarlos1955]

i would love to train in this system! too bad there is no one in central florida. thanks for posting!!!

[lebell79]

Steve, i might be able to get u in contact with some interesting shui jao guiz, if you're interested pm me via bullshido.

[entity3sf]

This guy is honest. He recommends strength training and that can always help.

[sha167]

The belt snapping helps you develop explosivity in your hips at the end of your moves.

Picture a boxer "snapping" his punches, in shuai jiao you should try to "snap" your throws

[Rush718]

Whats the belt snapping for?

[wizcoolc1]

If you click on my link you can see the school I train at. It is in Chaoyang district. My teacher says his name in the behing of the video.

[ashwix]

Chris's coach is Liu Hao Xue

11-time national freestyle Champion of China and long time student of Li Baoru

Great guy!

[joshv]

I remember Chris from Frank Allens school, I'm glad to see him doing well!

[Yuxian09]

Which teacher/ school does Chris train in Beijing? Thanks for the clip. Awesome.

[onehandraisinbransam]

Great solo drills seriously

[brutality707]

Nice vid, Steve. I can see some similarities between Sambo and some of this stuff. Cool.

[EvanChaim]

Some of these movements kind of remind me of Silat...

Did he roll with you guys at all?

[sambosteve]

No. He had a knee injury. I would have liked to though.

[SoundwaveSuperior373]

does shua jiao compose of ground fighting or just throwing ur opponenet to the floor

[sambosteve]

just standing

[slonsky42]

Actually your wrong. Sport Shuai Chaio rules that where standardized In Nanking in around 1927 limited the going to the ground techniques. However prior to that there were some ground techniques. Many of these techniques were taught later to the police for example in arresting techniques. I believe these were called Dai bu su? Jeng Hsing Ping actually taught some of us and I'm sure his students these types of techniques.

[masterfujin]

In interest of not starting a war on this topic...like the difference between Judo and Japanese Jiujitsu, Shuai Jiao has a sport aspect and a combat aspect. The sport involves taking your opponent to the ground only...no follow up.

[slonsky42]

I agree. My comment was in reference to Soundwave S.373 question to whether Shuai Chiao has any groundfighting skills. In sport you're right because these skills were taken out in 1927 or around that time. My only point is that people generally think that there is No groundskills at all in Shuai Chiao. That is an incorrect assumption.Fact of the matter is just as your teacher has taught you guys dai bu su those contain ground techniques. JJJ was heavily influenced by SC in 1659 by Chen Yuan Yun

[ForwardIntent]

@SoundwaveSuperior373 You can find techniques done on the ground in Qin Na.

[kaindrg]

@SoundwaveSuperior373 there wasnt a need to since the person on teh floor would have been stabbed but u or a comrade or trampled in the chaos of battle. same in greek pankkration most combat based stuff would have been more stand up locks throws and strikes. I.e. spartans pulled out of olympics when they baned eye gouging and biting. ground fighting became popular in the sporting realm where it was more relevant.

[36stylesofdanga]

@SoundwaveSuperior373 As I am taught, it's throwing your opponent on your knee, ground etc. so your opponents lands on his/her neck, spine etc so that he/she would die or get maimed. That's the old way of course, you can do it more nicely but the point is that it's considered to do so that your opponent can't use ground game because, well, that's it for him/her.

[sambosteve]

Having said that, I don't want to speak for Chris.

[sambosteve]

I think it came out wrong the way it looks on the vid. He later explained that he is the smallest guy in the club and most guys are big wrestlers...so that for him, it seemed about stregnth and he needs to rely on technique. But, I did not record that discussion. Chris has not taught before and was admittedly a bit nervous teaching to us. I thing he did a good job. I am sure there is subtlety in SJ like all jacket wrestling.

[ashwix]

a lot of subtlety...

and like any combat sport size, strength, conditioning, and heart are all very important in addition to technique.

Shuaijiao is one of the few Chinese systems to actually recognize this, reason: Shuaijiao is a tested combat system that has evolved over thousands of years of tumultuous history. They tell it like it is.

[sha167]

Thanks for the video!

I've trained Shuai Jiao in Beijing myself, and of course you'll use strength during sparring like in any other combat sport... but hearing that "chinese wrestling really uses a lot of physical strength" makes me wonder if maybe Chris Friedman missed out on something during his two years training.

I can assure you that these techniques are not strength based anymore than judo or sambo throws (to which they're very similar actually).

[sambosteve]

There is a SJ guy namned Jerry Li in Florida

[36stylesofdanga]

@sha167 How I am taught shuai techniques is that they try to minimize the use of strength with body movement and unbalancing the opponent. Though of course there's physical conditioning. Maybe this is different type of shuai.