@coolVideos231196 The technique at 0:26 is Nopunde Dollyo Chagi (High Turning Kick) but executed from a kneeling position. It's followed by a Ap Joomuk Nopunde Jirugi (Forefist High Punch). In case it seems odd to you that they are considered high kicks, this is as a consequence of their relative position to you, although they are attacking the low section of an opponent.
All this talk about sine-wave giving power (I'm guessing) is a very "traditional" concept. However...if you look at how Japanese katas are done. (e.g. - anyone in WKF competition) their movements look much more powerful because of the explosive movement and how quickly it takes them to get form point A to point B. Also...does anyone remember Bruce Lee? You can generate power from hip movement without such a large movement in the body.
moves 1 and 2 - is the reaction hand supposed to be that far outside the body? in korea i was taught that it should be inside but.....this is suska....so it's not likely that he's wrong.
move 27 also...the low front snap kick while bringing the right palm onto the left backhand. you place the hand simultaneously with the kick as it snaps out right? as suska is doing. i was taught that in korea too but my instructor here says you place the hand then kick. i think thats awkward and lacks force
the preferation & teaching of sine wave teqnuiqe differs from school to school. some teachers, masters & grandmasters think it is proper others don't so don't go around saying it's improper to use it or to not use it. but either way it still works well and adds power :P
sine wave is ridiculous. I think it makes forms look silly, lazy and weak. A form where one stays in a low stance throughout the form is strong. (I'm 3rd dan)
Love your patterns Suska, I'm using them as a reference, though I think your kicks are sometimes too high for mid-section. But to me your videos are the best for (my) reference. Do you so happen to give or attend seminars in the Netherlands?
@OathOfCalm you're not only moving up and down, but you're moving up and down in a forward motion, thuis using gravity, acceleration and mass. Hence sine-wave.
Sinewave helps you relax in between techniques, and allows you to generate more power on impact. It is also described as a way to generate force by letting more of the body mass go into the technique. You "fall" into the technique and your body weight is transferred into the impact point.
I'm curious, can someone explain to me how moving your body verticaly up and down help generate power going in a horizontal direction? It just doesn't make sense to me. Please don't take any disrespect. I'm genuinly seeking to understand.
So with that said, very impressive technique, very clean and crisp. Excellent demonstration of this form. It would be interesting to see you post another version of this and other forms in the other stages of training to show the versatility of the art and the realism of the hyungs.
maybe sine wave is good for TRAINING your snap, power, and control of each movement of a hyung, and even good for instructional purposes so the learner sees each move precisely, but I would see this as the first stage of training in a form. Remember those three stages? Static, fluid, and dynamic. But I feel that, beyond training, a form should flow like words--with context and phrasing. Combinations chained together for practical application, making it look realistic and with explosive intensity
Flabadosa and mini tkd sine ave was always in through natural movement and doing the stances correctly, this drop the knee sine wave (which matamatically is not sine wave) came in late 80's 30 years after TKDs birth. It looks good and is good for conditioning but as you both know you do not use it in sparring or self defence as it is to slow. It was introduced as there at that stage so many breakaway groups and The ITF wanted to make ITF TKD unique. There is no better way only better fighters
I don't like sinewave it is unnatural way to perform a kicking or punching technique. If we are agree that a form or pattern is an imaginary fight (no a rithual) then sinewave make no sense. I never have seen using a sinewave in a fight. In fact the chamber used in many martial arts forms for aesthetic is not realistic. In earlier forms of MA like Okinawa Karate or Kung Fu the Chamber are not used.
My guess is Gen. Choi introduced sinewave to resemble the Taekkyon dancing style.
I was never taught with sine wave, but I do use it sometimes for power and style. Although, not everyone can make sine wave look good. I think that's why it gets a bad rep.
all fundamentals in ITF alter all over the world, for example; sine wave and power may be more executed in Canada; whereas Poland is more strict on techniques individually throughout the pattern. Like a pose for a picture for every movement, instead of a video of the unification of certain techniques in a pattern (which consist in greater sine wave and power.)
Suskas patterns Is straight from the book in other words.
If you want to see what i mean, look at Suskas patterns again, and notice every technique has a complete stop: you can take a picture and have the correct technique - whereas other black belts done finish techniques completely in detail, but make it continuous to the other techniques making the pattern as a whole.
It's not all quite "by the book"; there are a lot of extra (wasteful) motions between techniques, he holds his kicks out instead of doing proper snaps back and he doesn't always look where he's going. All of these are very common in competition and make a pattern look pretty, but aren't "by the book".
@Syneil1986 I don't know about you, but when doing Patterns I've always been told to hold my kicks for that bit longer. Of course you would not do it in combat, but it makes the demonstration look better.
@Guydabest Yeah, it's common among competition-oriented schools but the masters (in the UK at least, including GM Rhee) are very clear that kicks should be snapped back again. The fundamental point is that techniques in patterns should be executed "properly", and that means not leaving them extended for an opponent to manipulate. As I said before, leaving them hanging around looks "prettier" (not to me, tbh, but apparently it's the overall consensus), but it's technically incorrect.
why does no one here like sine wave. i think personally it just make the pattern not making it look so jerky and un natural. ive always done sine wave from the very beggining.
@MiniTaeKwonDo Says who?!?!?! These forms have been taught both in Sine Wave AND the original Hip Twist concepts. To say that ONLY Sine Wave is the proper way reeks of arrogance. My School teaches the forms without Sine Wave and I believe that you can get more power from throwing the hip.
@BassmanII What is sine wave in TKD....Is it the up and down bouncing ????? I noticed very little hip use....In SBD bouncing " sine wave " is a no no...This is because moving up and down you lose connection....Our terms are more moving the mass or hip movement, sinking on the knee or sinking in a stance and of course connection..I just have never seen the sine wave and I also have some TKD training....
@avionicswirenut Hi ya - the down movement increases mass and thus power. If you drop your fist(the down movement) as well as push it at someone you have more power. hope this helps,
@MiniTaeKwonDo Not always. Chang-Hon, which predates ITF style, utilizes more of the hip twist concept and keeps the head level at all times. You'll get the power, but it will be more in a straight line.
@MiniTaeKwonDo But you sacrifice so much speed to use it. It's inefficient, and gets you a slight increase in power at best, at least for circular or straight line techniques. I could understand it for strikes going downwards, but other than that, all it does is slow you down and kill the flow of combinations.
sine wave is definately there. im not a big fan of teh sine wave motion but he actually makes it look good. the subtleness of the knee spring makes it look so much cleaner than most other people who look like they would rather be on a trampoleine
he's clearly utilizing the knee-spring, which inevitably creates sinewave. he's just not exaggerating it very much, which is good, nothing looks sillier than exaggerated knee-spring.
whats that sound? is he whistling?
cloudy123 2 weeks ago
@cloudy123 not whistling, forcing the air out of his lungs, that gives you more power
51909relapseminem 1 week ago
There are other ways of generating power in your movements in forms. I'm no fan of sinewave.
42Cleve 1 month ago
0:26 what is that move called. I am only on 1st dan but looking at the higher patterns :P
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@coolVideos231196 The technique at 0:26 is Nopunde Dollyo Chagi (High Turning Kick) but executed from a kneeling position. It's followed by a Ap Joomuk Nopunde Jirugi (Forefist High Punch). In case it seems odd to you that they are considered high kicks, this is as a consequence of their relative position to you, although they are attacking the low section of an opponent.
andrewcraigwithers 3 weeks ago
Sinewave is the most beautiful thing in Chang Hon style pattern ! Learn to love it !
CCPJAYLPHAN1994 1 month ago
thanks Mr Suska for such a great pattern - I thanks you for helping learn. Now I justy have to get half as good as you :)
threeta 2 months ago
All this talk about sine-wave giving power (I'm guessing) is a very "traditional" concept. However...if you look at how Japanese katas are done. (e.g. - anyone in WKF competition) their movements look much more powerful because of the explosive movement and how quickly it takes them to get form point A to point B. Also...does anyone remember Bruce Lee? You can generate power from hip movement without such a large movement in the body.
five40kix 3 months ago
falaco terrible lo tullo ya ksi te parecs a mi
xIxMizaRxIx 4 months ago
moves 1 and 2 - is the reaction hand supposed to be that far outside the body? in korea i was taught that it should be inside but.....this is suska....so it's not likely that he's wrong.
move 27 also...the low front snap kick while bringing the right palm onto the left backhand. you place the hand simultaneously with the kick as it snaps out right? as suska is doing. i was taught that in korea too but my instructor here says you place the hand then kick. i think thats awkward and lacks force
mixed8martial9artist 8 months ago
@mixed8martial9artist hi the reaction is in fact a low block and designed to deflect a snap kick from the groin or abdomen.
threeta 7 months ago
Why there are people criticizing sine wave?? I guess it's because they simply can't do it !!!!! Thumbs up for those who do SINE WAVE . :D
never4get0716 8 months ago 4
Sine wave was implemented into TaeKwonDo for a reason. If you don't like it, switch to a different martial arts that doesn't make sense.
corgikong 8 months ago
the preferation & teaching of sine wave teqnuiqe differs from school to school. some teachers, masters & grandmasters think it is proper others don't so don't go around saying it's improper to use it or to not use it. but either way it still works well and adds power :P
Eleetpwnage 10 months ago
@Eleetpwnage Thank You!!
BassmanII 8 months ago
Thank You!
BassmanII 8 months ago
sine wave is ridiculous. I think it makes forms look silly, lazy and weak. A form where one stays in a low stance throughout the form is strong. (I'm 3rd dan)
misamisa29 11 months ago
@misamisa29 right Sandan, im 3rd Dan and I do my patterns a little slopy, but nobodys perfect
TheUkitake13 11 months ago
Love your patterns Suska, I'm using them as a reference, though I think your kicks are sometimes too high for mid-section. But to me your videos are the best for (my) reference. Do you so happen to give or attend seminars in the Netherlands?
sgtZipper 11 months ago
@OathOfCalm you're not only moving up and down, but you're moving up and down in a forward motion, thuis using gravity, acceleration and mass. Hence sine-wave.
sgtZipper 11 months ago
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AndersonChan84 1 year ago
@AndersonChan84 ---- That commet doesn't even merrit attention. Your a fool
Senseikevin1 11 months ago
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szogunter 1 year ago
Sinewave helps you relax in between techniques, and allows you to generate more power on impact. It is also described as a way to generate force by letting more of the body mass go into the technique. You "fall" into the technique and your body weight is transferred into the impact point.
Photomos 1 year ago 3
always a issue about the sine wave/ does it work? would you use it out in the street? no disrespect ths pattern looks great here !
iketheman 1 year ago
I'm curious, can someone explain to me how moving your body verticaly up and down help generate power going in a horizontal direction? It just doesn't make sense to me. Please don't take any disrespect. I'm genuinly seeking to understand.
OathOfCalm 1 year ago
So with that said, very impressive technique, very clean and crisp. Excellent demonstration of this form. It would be interesting to see you post another version of this and other forms in the other stages of training to show the versatility of the art and the realism of the hyungs.
pattyorigami 1 year ago
maybe sine wave is good for TRAINING your snap, power, and control of each movement of a hyung, and even good for instructional purposes so the learner sees each move precisely, but I would see this as the first stage of training in a form. Remember those three stages? Static, fluid, and dynamic. But I feel that, beyond training, a form should flow like words--with context and phrasing. Combinations chained together for practical application, making it look realistic and with explosive intensity
pattyorigami 1 year ago
Flabadosa and mini tkd sine ave was always in through natural movement and doing the stances correctly, this drop the knee sine wave (which matamatically is not sine wave) came in late 80's 30 years after TKDs birth. It looks good and is good for conditioning but as you both know you do not use it in sparring or self defence as it is to slow. It was introduced as there at that stage so many breakaway groups and The ITF wanted to make ITF TKD unique. There is no better way only better fighters
stalinscat 1 year ago
I don't like sinewave it is unnatural way to perform a kicking or punching technique. If we are agree that a form or pattern is an imaginary fight (no a rithual) then sinewave make no sense. I never have seen using a sinewave in a fight. In fact the chamber used in many martial arts forms for aesthetic is not realistic. In earlier forms of MA like Okinawa Karate or Kung Fu the Chamber are not used.
My guess is Gen. Choi introduced sinewave to resemble the Taekkyon dancing style.
CubanKarate 1 year ago
@CubanKarate Sine wave generates power, whether you like it or not.
Guydabest 1 year ago
I was never taught with sine wave, but I do use it sometimes for power and style. Although, not everyone can make sine wave look good. I think that's why it gets a bad rep.
Mogster27 1 year ago
Buen tul nada mas aunque ell gran maestro omar severino lo supera totalmente
fedeloco059 2 years ago
Last 2 front snap kicks are middle section, not low.
foreshadow20 2 years ago
Need to look where the side elbows are delivered. The only exception is Yong-Gae (ITF-V).
foreshadow20 2 years ago
all fundamentals in ITF alter all over the world, for example; sine wave and power may be more executed in Canada; whereas Poland is more strict on techniques individually throughout the pattern. Like a pose for a picture for every movement, instead of a video of the unification of certain techniques in a pattern (which consist in greater sine wave and power.)
tyrakowski 2 years ago
Suskas patterns Is straight from the book in other words.
If you want to see what i mean, look at Suskas patterns again, and notice every technique has a complete stop: you can take a picture and have the correct technique - whereas other black belts done finish techniques completely in detail, but make it continuous to the other techniques making the pattern as a whole.
tyrakowski 2 years ago 2
It's not all quite "by the book"; there are a lot of extra (wasteful) motions between techniques, he holds his kicks out instead of doing proper snaps back and he doesn't always look where he's going. All of these are very common in competition and make a pattern look pretty, but aren't "by the book".
Syneil1986 2 years ago
@Syneil1986 I don't know about you, but when doing Patterns I've always been told to hold my kicks for that bit longer. Of course you would not do it in combat, but it makes the demonstration look better.
Guydabest 1 year ago
@Guydabest Yeah, it's common among competition-oriented schools but the masters (in the UK at least, including GM Rhee) are very clear that kicks should be snapped back again. The fundamental point is that techniques in patterns should be executed "properly", and that means not leaving them extended for an opponent to manipulate. As I said before, leaving them hanging around looks "prettier" (not to me, tbh, but apparently it's the overall consensus), but it's technically incorrect.
Syneil1986 1 year ago
sine wave is a fundamental ingredient in general choi's theory of power so if doing general choi's ITF taekwon-do it should be used. simple as that.
fallo1969 2 years ago
What is sinewave?
BexCairns1 2 years ago
why does no one here like sine wave. i think personally it just make the pattern not making it look so jerky and un natural. ive always done sine wave from the very beggining.
Flabadosa23 2 years ago 13
It's not only abouto looking, Strikes are way more effective with sine wave =)
AsBf2 2 years ago 2
@Flabadosa23 yea it's always done with sine wave. Makes it nice too
qiankundanuoyi1 8 months ago
asome
rodrigosxxx 2 years ago
i never started using sinewave until my 2nd Dan. It really makes a difference in the appearance of your technique
awesomeman88 2 years ago
as a rule I don't like sine wave but this looks spot on to me. 5 stars
dunoon 2 years ago 2
It doesn't matter if you LIKE the sine-wave or not. It gives you power. You have to do it.
MiniTaeKwonDo 3 years ago 16
this is physic :D
freemangsx 3 years ago
@MiniTaeKwonDo Says who?!?!?! These forms have been taught both in Sine Wave AND the original Hip Twist concepts. To say that ONLY Sine Wave is the proper way reeks of arrogance. My School teaches the forms without Sine Wave and I believe that you can get more power from throwing the hip.
BassmanII 8 months ago
@BassmanII What is sine wave in TKD....Is it the up and down bouncing ????? I noticed very little hip use....In SBD bouncing " sine wave " is a no no...This is because moving up and down you lose connection....Our terms are more moving the mass or hip movement, sinking on the knee or sinking in a stance and of course connection..I just have never seen the sine wave and I also have some TKD training....
avionicswirenut 7 months ago
@avionicswirenut Hi ya - the down movement increases mass and thus power. If you drop your fist(the down movement) as well as push it at someone you have more power. hope this helps,
threeta 7 months ago
@MiniTaeKwonDo D: we all know tht ==
aliawesome12fab 8 months ago
@MiniTaeKwonDo Not always. Chang-Hon, which predates ITF style, utilizes more of the hip twist concept and keeps the head level at all times. You'll get the power, but it will be more in a straight line.
BassmanII 4 months ago
@MiniTaeKwonDo But you sacrifice so much speed to use it. It's inefficient, and gets you a slight increase in power at best, at least for circular or straight line techniques. I could understand it for strikes going downwards, but other than that, all it does is slow you down and kill the flow of combinations.
Lastshadow94 3 months ago
sine wave is definately there. im not a big fan of teh sine wave motion but he actually makes it look good. the subtleness of the knee spring makes it look so much cleaner than most other people who look like they would rather be on a trampoleine
bornashotta 3 years ago
Im not a big fan of sine wave either the black belt patterns need a hint of it to make them any good. And i rekon Suska has got it spot on.
BardicCircle 3 years ago
Lol, the "black belt patterns", all patterns need sine wave
sgtZipper 2 years ago
Not everyone believes sine wave is a good thing. :) I admire the sharpness of his techniques. Very precise. I'm gonna go practice now. ;)
stephnnie 4 years ago
he has sine wave, he has a very developed and subtle sine wave.
down-up-down motion does not need to be especially drastic.
KaozVT 4 years ago
No sinewave? R u on this planet? What grade r u?
sealion999 4 years ago
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he's got a very good and refined technique, yet, I always see that he has no sinewave motion.
Liquidcadmus 4 years ago
he's clearly utilizing the knee-spring, which inevitably creates sinewave. he's just not exaggerating it very much, which is good, nothing looks sillier than exaggerated knee-spring.
h0rangi 4 years ago
r u nuts
u need glasses
cuvillier94 3 years ago
Nice video =)
iLoveNTN 4 years ago