HHO Dry cell made by G.T. Baker Aviation High school students 2008-2009

[nerdswith8guns]

I'm new to hho technology, but I'd like to build my own dry cell. Can you suggest any sites that give a really comprehensive explanation of how dry cells really work?

[HHO2011]

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[neiallswheel]

nice cell. do you have knowledge of the paul pantone GEET system. also known in france as SPAD and a similar device called ecopra. uses exhaust heat and a magnetic field to ionise water and other fuels( waste oil or petrol) and add to your engine look for vortex heat exchanger . also try gas cracker. plasma pinch, ok dude

[kdkinen]

holy crap, nice job!! maybe lower the electrolyte hey :o

--also stay under 2 volts per gap

[beachbuggy100]

MMM the way he measures the HHO is a bit suspect ...! not very accurate

[kingyoShin]

It is very good-looking!!!

I want also to make such a thing : )

[thegreatkoua]

62 amps wow

[ghostriderinnc]

The problem I see is the size of the plates the current density for a cell this size would be incredible. those look like 12x12 plates. I sent you a message that should help you out. check your inbox

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Nice work. See the Delvis video. His set up for 72 plates is pretty well done.He is getting more than 5 liters per minute.

[aeBaker1]

I would love too, whats the link?

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Go to his channel which is  devlis 11

[sodapop503]

You know you dont need a pump. The pressure of the HHO being formed circulates the electrolyte more than enough usually.

[aeBaker1]

yeah we've don't it that way too, but the purpose of the pump is so that the electrolyte can be pumped through the radiator with ease, hoping that the radiator would cool the electrolyte, and ultimately cooling the cell. It was what we were trying to achieve at the moment. thanks for the comment.

[ghostriderinnc]

You really need to get rid of the wires connecting too the individual plates you should use bolted connections only. It's dangerous to use individual wires you run the risk of the wires melting and also the female connectors tend to arc to each other there really poor desigh. Find you configuration and then weld some tabs on the plates and connect them up with bolts and you can up the voltage at that point. Be sure to cross hatch the plates for high production if you haven't done so.

[aeBaker1]

lol yeah, i agree, after we made it we saw that fix connection were the better choice, we'll get it next time =], thanks for the comment.

[mikepowers420]

That is one Great lookin electrolyzer..

[aeBaker1]

thanks man =]

[TheJax101]

That's a quality build there.

After 2.4 volts no extra hho is produced so absolute sweet spot is 2.4 volts per plate.

I was expecting about double the out put though for 60 amps.

[aeBaker1]

thank you man, i keep on reading that, i just haven't been able to work in it since im on summer vacation.. so yea, thanks again.

[jjenson2006]

That';s 4.2 MMW! That's pretty damn good?

Why would you expect twice that much? Have you seen any setups that produce over 8 MMW'?

[HHO4ALL]

Wow, nice setup.

[najman100]

Are you using crocodile connectors to connect to the plats if so you should change them .

[aeBaker1]

yea ive been being to do that, ive just been a little lazy, im planing on going to those female connectors you see everywhere. thanks for the comment

[freeenergeeeee]

What's the theory behind starting the build of your cell with 2 neutral plates versus just starting it with a anode or cathode plate instead ?

Thanks for sharing and congratulation on winning !!!

[aeBaker1]

thanks! now we are going to nationals, this summer.

[jdcmusicman]

That Looks like a very nice cell build and design ...

I agree with Scarecrow ,2.0 - 2.5 volts per plate gap is great ....

[SmartScarecrow]

very nice build ... obvious that a lot of time and effort went into that ...

I will take exception to hhoforvolts' comment ... am sure that he has works and if it works for him, I am not inclined to argue ...

but, I like to be at about 2.2-2.5v per plate gap in a series type device what you have constructed ... so your +nnnn-nnnn+nnnn- is a proper arrangement for operation for 12v ... a 5n might also work ... if you want to go to 24v, try a +(9*n)- ... or maybe a 10n ...

have fun with it

[aeBaker1]

ok great thanks. ill do try that set up asap.Oh, and i have to thank you, btw. watching your videos is what inspired me to do this. thanks a whole bunch. its pretty neat that you commented my video.

[aeBaker1]

Oh! and how can i get the cell producing like 10 lpm like ive seen on other videos, 2.2-2.5v per plate gap? and ive read, if you go high volts, low amps its better. i really want to get it to like 8-10lpm, we are hoping we can run like a electric generator or possibly a torch.

[SmartScarecrow]

if you want it to put out 10 lpm, it might be possible to do ... its tricky but can be done with a setup like you got there ... think I would start by setting it up run off 120vAC wall current ... build simple ac to dc power supply using a bridge rectifier and maybe a big capacitor ... slim down to about 68 plates ... hit it with rectified 120v at about 20a ... with 2400 watts going in, you should make maybe 10-12 lpm or so ...

[aeBaker1]

Awesome, Oh and should i look into making a PWM? We where thinking of making one a while back, using a micro controller to tune the pulses widths via computer instead of manually.

Im sorry if im asking to many questions, but my electrolyte is 1 tea spoon of potassium hydroxide per gallon of distilled water.

Is this good, what do you think?

[SmartScarecrow]

with no pwm, you will have to use the concentration of KOH in your solution to control amp draw ... a pwm will help you to moderate the duty cycle on the device so you can throttle back a run away reaction and not have to be so precise with your solution mix ... I use 40 grams KOH per gallon ... think you are at about half that ...

[SmartScarecrow]

if you decide to try to use a PWM, get a GOOD quality AC Solid State Relay rated at least twice the max load you expect your device to draw. Use the output of a small cheap 12v PWM to toggle the trigger on the SSR. From the SSR go to your Bridge Rectifier AC input. Do Not Try To Trigger the DC side directly ... you will eat SSR's ...

[aeBaker1]

great, so i should find a small cheap 12v pwm, instead of making one? and ill try putting 40 grams instead.

Thanks for everything, honestly. its crazy how much you helped me. Oh, do you have any suggestions on designing future hho cells? anything i should do differently to make it better?

[SmartScarecrow]

well, that is what I did ... cost me $20 ... would have taken me more time than the $20 is worth to try to make my own ... and making a pwm that can handle 120v at 20a is not trivial ... easier, simpler,cheaper to use the SSR triggered by an off the shelf unit ... it works and can be done for low dollars ...

the setup you are working with is the current standard state of the art in home built units ... more advanced designs are being worked wiht but are not yet proven ...

[aeBaker1]

ok great, thanks once again for everything. ill post more videos in the near future.

[aeBaker1]

hey, sorry to bother you again, i noticed on your dry cells you only have like two positive and negative leads going to your plates. how do you do that, if you dont mind me asking?

[SmartScarecrow]

its easy ... I am running 120+ volts ... so I need a LOT of neutral plates to drop the per plate voltage down into the sweet spot ... my current build is +/68N/- ... works great ... big stack will need wider spacing ... I use 1/8 gap where most use 1/16 ... I just double up gaskets ...

[aeBaker1]

wow! +/68N/-! that's sick. ill try that when we get bac to school. school just ended for us today, so that really sucks, maybe i might get a chance to work on it while they have summer school. thanks once again.

[hhoforvolts]

If you wired all your plates as + & - with NO neutals and ran it at 3.0 volts, high current, there would not be any heat problems plus other benefits, see my videos on this subject.. Good project.

[aeBaker1]

great, ill try that out. thanks for the comment.