@thenicholashuber Because they were creations of Versalife using alien DNA and human genomes, with the backing of the Majestic 12, which doesn't exist yet as of Human Revolution; MJ12 will be formed sometime during the 25 years between HR and the original. That, and I imagine genetic engineering still isn't as advanced as it was in the original, since cybernetic augmentations are still the top of the line augmentations, compared to the nano-augmentations in the original.
"To turn away from it now, to stop pursuing a future in which technology and biology converge, leading to the promise of a singularity, would be to deny the very ESSENCE of who we are."
One of the most beautiful lines in videogaming history, and I didn't even pick this ending.
This is the 'best' ending, IMO. Even though the Illuminati are still in power at least Jensen lives on and can do some small good. Like @KNOCKOUT1309 I'd like to see a sequal that replaces, 'Invisible War.' Long live seekers of truth. LONG LIVE DEUS EX!
To tell you the truth Adam was the person to show that common people can handle the power that the government has. He gives the Gov. a reason to trust the common people.
In my understanding of the DX universe, the government/illuminati would always have access to superior technology and augmentation regardless of the ending. However, the Sarif ending"evens the playing field" for common men and women by allowing them the means of liberation and self-defense against a potentially tyrannical government. Adam himself said this prior to the fight with Namir: "You're afraid of augmented people like me with the power to resist you". That is the true revolution in DX.
One has to remember that the Machine Room in which Sarif hid had a small submarine. I guess he would leave, saving few others. The illuminati on Panchaea weren't the only ones. And the others would know about the chip plans so both sides would survive anyway. I agree that Sarif's ending gives more equal chances to people than others.
@MrManiacPsycho Indeed. The coming biotech and nanotech advances will uplift and empower individuals. It is no surprise that political organizations benefiting from the current paradigm will resist such a decentralization of power.
@MrManiacPsycho Unfortunately, because this is a prequel, anyone who has played the original knows that Sarifs dream doesn't become a reality, and those that would control humanity manage to keep their control of it.
@copersonfilms Not if you knew the plots of the games it's a prequel too. In that case it stops being a twist, and throws itself back on course for the nastiness that occured in those games.
@stathamajf I played the other games, and really I didn't see it coming. I Figured the writers would leave a plot gap so they didn't mess anything up.
I don't know what ending is the best, they all have some many valid points! But I think that I'm leaning towards Taggard's ending. But what I don't understand is the whole Adam's DNA thing, is that the only reason Megan wanted him to assume Head of Security of Sarif Industries or did she really have feelings for him even though she was completely determined with her research. I wish the ending would of contained follow ups on the main characters.
This game actually takes place before the original Deus Ex game, so if you want to see what happens /after/ this game, search for the original Deus Ex.
But I would absolutely love to see a continuation of the Deus Ex series.
it could e.g. play in the new world where everyone's uplinked by helios and you're one of jc's fighters fighting against evil templars or illuminati remnants who want to destroy the system/subdue humanity, but it turns out they're secretly led by helios (as he has the ultimate power to hide stuff from people) so he can control the resistance (which there always would be) and also justify his rule of law, and in the end you can either destroy, reprogram or let him be
@sirjefferson9001 and reprogram him to either obey the illuminati or templars, or take control of him yourself, or have nobody in control by switching everybody able to see everything
@lordmasterization Same thing that happens when a mugger comes to attack now I guess, though I find it hard to believe that anyone would stick a chip in their head with external input functionality. Likely at worst you'd be looking at vulnerabilities in your HUD overlay, in which case switch it off and scrub the system, no worse then getting your i-phone hacked now.
More importantly, should we really let the fear of evil and stupidity keep us from trying to move forward?
A Technological Sigularity? I suppose it's only fair that the same species that has killed several thousand others get wiped out by a sentient race of computers :D
I didn't want to blow up the station because I don't like the idea of adam's story just "ending" it seems so... empty... and sudden... knowing that adam can still live and has a chance to continue what he does is better... IMO
@Minnzorr It was a stupid ending anyway. Because of course the people on that station were the only ones who wanted to influence human decisions, get rid of them and everyone else would magically join into a utopian entity to decide their future.
My first bit of exposure to this game was the image of the fetus, and the last image I saw was the very same thing. Intended or not it was a wonderful, almost touching, piece of closure for the saga.
I picked this one because I was too selfish to let Adam die. All of these speeches are incredibly good and you will feel like you made the right decision no matter what the ending.
you know there was a forth ending? Where Adam choose to destroy panchaera (and sacrifise himself) because nobody should have the right to shape the mindset of people with such information? Even the supposed "neutral" Durrow uplink is onesided. Taggard was atleast right with his statement, that total freedom equals chaos. Nothing should be without control. We've finally understood that with our neoliberal influenced economy. That doesn't mean our governments and democracy shouldn't be improved.
Transhumanism is the ideal that humanity will be able to finally be able to move past its physical limits and rise to something greater. I believe that humanity has that choice of pursuing something better than being hindered by their limitations.
These three endings, especially Sarif's and Darrow's ones, had the biggest impact on my ever in a video game. Only Heavy Rain and Enslaved were comparable in my opinion.
@DonSnowblood Try Ico and possibly shadow of the collosus. You have to look for it, but the same degree of art is present in them as in the three you mention (I assume, I've only played Enslaved and Deus Ex).
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What a bunch of shitty endings to an otherwise good game. Really, those niggas just threw together some random video clips and tacked on some elementary philosophical bs.
@ac1dchr15t Oh, you've got an Illuminati symbol for your avi, I'm so scared. / sarcasm A fifth grader could have come up with deeper dialogue than the endings in this game. The entire last level was pure shit as well.
@DownloadDoctor1 I don't understand why you insist on trying start something..I won't say anything more. Thought the game was excellent with a great ending to make you think. That is all.
@spudnick3490 Let me help you out with your grammar there, little guy. You're = you are. So "you are are not thinking deep" is a cluster-fuck grammatically aka a grammatical nightmare. Try to finish grade school before you jump into debates, genius.
@DownloadDoctor1 You do know that english is not the only language in this world right? There are other languages too. Most people have another language as their native language before english and therefore may not be as good in english as you are. Learn to look beyond your own nose before nailing people down just because their english is not as good as yours. I have not seen your discussion, but I am just saying this as a general thing.
I didn't get this one as an option. I never found Sarif at the end, not like I looked hard like 30 seconds and said fuck it. I didn't know that would effect the ending. :/ I hope the other two aren't as lame as this one though, time to find out.
Science and technology is not only the road to self improvement, but to understanding of the universe. Technology empowers us, it makes us stronger, more intelligent, more capable and it will allow us to reach for the stars.
What it doesn't do is help us make moral choices that could affect the course of our history, as a race. That is down to each of us, as individuals. Responsibility for our actions.
David Sarif ending is the biggest step forward comparing to other ones I think, it's not that technology is a problem, the problem lies in ourselves, our destructive weakness like greed, hate, ignorance, intolerance etc. just like Adam said "but what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? what if the path, Sarif wants us to take, enables us to hold onto higher values with more stability?" it is the path that mankind followed from the beggining, and I think its worth say yes.
It is human nature for us to feel which is the cause of all the unfortunate man-made events like war in the world and with this technological advancement I believe it will once again be abused as that is part of human nature of why it happened in the first place. Don't blame the technology, blame the user. "The first thing you learn about emotion is that it has its price. A complete paradox. But without restraint, without control, emotion is chaos." -Jurgen.
all endings are a collection of ideals and moral and ethical issues that we as a speices must face technology is a good thing but it can also be a negative it depends on how we approach it the end does not justify the means if it means in the process of becoming the gods we've always strived to be we loose our humanity in the process and instead become all that in which we hate
The day humanity realises that all we need is rationalism, intelligence and technology, we will enter a golden age. This, is what the ending represents.
Here's why I chose this ending over the other ones. Remember how Watchmen ended? Yea that plantsless blue jerk, but I digress. I chose this because I immediately thought "Rorschach would have wanted this." I chose this because of that lovable, tenacious, murdering, psychopath.
@lol960 Didn't Rorschach value justice and truth above all else? He risked the very existence of humanity to expose the truth of Ozymandias' plan. Surely the Darrow ending revealing what really happened to the public would be more fitting from his perspective.
If you are a normal person in 2027, you're looking at a new aug in LIMB. Among all the labels and descriptions etc, Sarif, intentionally left out a line stating "Warning, user may be manipulated by potential technology, turned into mindless slaves/crazy zombies" (in fact, not potential, since Darrow DID made it happened).
How would you feel as a customer?
It's very easy to say "for science", when the corporation's actually doing this "for money"
@harrychang6213 Not really, the reason they went crazy was a specific neural chip, which frankly only a complete moron would have gotten installed (a guy even notes that since all the chips are different the 'fix' makes no sense) and which was made by ebil people.
Sarif ensured that said evil people's plan to suppress that technology didn't succeed. And if they were doing it solely for money, Sarif would have bought into the Illuminati when they repeatedly asked him to join them
@stathamajf Hah, the chip was initially made by Young's to mind control people, but Darrow changed it for his own purpose, and he installed it in all his employee. How would you feel if you know your boss has already installed a chip in your head and can control your mind? He/She can either make you submissive to all their orders or just simply make you insane.
@harrychang6213 Tai Yeong was only the manufacturer, the illuminati made it, Darrow messed up their plan. It was then installed in everyone dumb enough to go to a limb clinic and get it installed.
It wasn;t at a control stage, it could only disable augments, induce hallucinations, or similarly obvious stuff. As for my feelings, I'd be angry, at the illuminati, who were responsible. Sarif was doing his best to stop the illuminati, that he wasn't always polite about it is fine.
@stathamajf Just because someone doesn't join an evil secret society doesn't mean they are not evil. Despite being his most trusted man, Sarif backstabs Jensen all the time, he searched his background secretly, wouldn't tell him the truth of his family, used Jensen's girlfriend to get his blood and got him to do all the dirty work. Not to mention he want you to pinpoint Taggart (and Young), his only obstacle from becoming the industry superpower, with a crime(terrorism) they did not commit.
@harrychang6213 Background checks on secuirty employees are standard fare, and reasonable. The truth of his family was a huge deal and not something that would be easy to break to someone, doing so in a time like that would be stupid and cruel.
Megan did the DNA thing after she saw Adam's paternity test, Sarif just covered it up, again pretty reasonable considering the scope of what had been uncovered, namely a way to eliminate a hugely addictive drug, that's keeping [cont...]
@harrychang6213 [cont..] less wealthy people from getting augmented, not telling one person the truth is hardly comparable to that kind of opportunity.
He only had you doing dirty work if you played as a killer, and he was unhappy with you for doing such, as for going after taggart and the dragon lady, they did far worse if you play thoroughly and find all the files related to them, bringing them down was always your goal, using that to also help humanity evolve was clever.
@stathamajf The Sarif from your imagination is totally different from the one in the game. Sarif lied to Jensen throughout the entire game. He was never going to tell you anything unless you found a trail and had Richard to help you. IT'S CRUEL when he doesn't tell you who you are. Also he also broke every known ethical rules in the field of medicine and science, he ask for no consent from his subjects and do not tell the consumers all the risks and details. He want you to LIE.
@harrychang6213 About dangerous things that knowing about could get you killed. Not to mention how crazy it would have sounded, as to your DNA, again, that's pretty well justified considered the scope of what it could cure, not to mention the question of whether telling someone their entire life is a lie and they were an experiment...is really a nice thing to do.
Adam knows who he is, and defines it through his actions in the game. What were concealed were his origins [cont...]
@harrychang6213 [cont...] which are the kind of horror story that we often wish stayed buried. Had he told Adam I don't doubt you'd complain about him making such a decision for him.
Really? Because Sarif was the only group in the entire game that maintained strict ethical codes throughout. The only example of no consent was Jensen, and that's shaky at best. Even without considering that without full augmentation Adam would have died before reaching China [cont...]
@stathamajf First of all, you always need a consent, you need them to make a choice. You don't do secret background check to your employee. and you need consent to experiment on anyone in any circumstances and you ALWAYS, ALWAYS tell the costumer the truth.
Please, Adam is not a three years old and Sarif is not his parent or what so ever. People still chases Adam even if he doesn't know the truth.
@harrychang6213 You're kind of naive dude, any high level employee gets background checks ina company, it's standard for checking for surprises in their past. And please note that when he realises what he's found there, Sarif shuts the investigation done instantly, it occur that this might be why he kept it to himself?
To experiment, sure, to save their life via enhancements...when they openly approve of them...no.
People shot the PI for knowing, that seems to contradict you.
@stathamajf It's pretty obviuous you are not in touch of medicine at all. No, people are allowed to refuse life-saving treatment, either it's proved by a family member or in their will or they expressed the idea themselves (when they are pyschologically normal). It is certain that you are a parentalist when you believe you can make a better choice for people even if it clashes with their beliefs. Funny thing is that'ts what illuminati believes in as well.
I'm a med student. And while paternalistic medicine is being left behind (rightly so) it remains the case that no med school I know of teaches you to refuse life saving treatment. Even if an adult has refused, it's often done anyway with the caveat that they weren't in their right mind. You help people survive, then if they want to go jump off a bridge afterwards, they can go right ahead.
@stathamajf Do you even know what you're talking? I highly doubt what medicine school you are in. You CAN refue chemotheropy even if you have terminal cancer. And Jehovah's Witness often refuse blood transfusion and organ transplant because they believe souls are in them. Maybe you are a med students 30 years ago or you are in some extreme Eastern paternalistic med school but Western society respects a patient's autonomy. And you need a pyschologist to judge someone insane.
@harrychang6213 St. Andrews; Chemo is a totally different thing, people refuse it because of risks in chemo, not because they'd rather die. And jehovah's witnesses generally then get one kind of work around or another done by people who've sworn to help people and don;t like watching someone die because of superstition.
If you don't understand the ethical definitions of Right Mind, Autonomy or Insanity, then you probably shouldn;t be trying to lecture me on this subject.
@stathamajf You really like to imagine stuff up. I did not write anything about doctors should give up on patients. But it's still true that they can refuse blood transfusion and organ transplant. It's the clash between autonomy and beneficence. Doctors need to ask for consent even for a MRI check. And the fact that you keep on calling people's beliefs stupid and superstition proves just how poorly you respect patients' right and autonomy.
I said work around, as in a technical loop hole to let you give them the treatment anyway (often claims of right mind are used).
To be clear here, if someone needs a blood transfusion or organ and refuses it, then if you agree with them, they will die. There is no magic fix for that, they will die unless you ignore their wishes. So it's a choice between their life, and holding onto childish notions of absolute freedom...
@harrychang6213 Yeah right, you just identified right mind as insanity, you haven't been to med school (or you're just surprisingly dishonest in your arguments for a guy going on about truth) and pulling buzz words won;t help you prove otherwise.
Patient centred medicine does not include letting someone die without a fight. Autonomy does not go that far, and for good reasons.
@stathamajf I explained over and over again, refusing treatment does not equal "letting someone die without a fight". For example, even if a Jehovah's witness refuse blood transfusion even when he's losing too much blood, you can still try to stop the blood loss. I'm saying they have the right to refuse blood transfusion.
Can you stop imagining people saying things when they actually didn't?
@harrychang6213 Yes, it means exactly that. I suppose you could do some random stuff for appearances, but that's just window dressing since it won;t actually help.
If he has lost enough blood for a blood transfusion to be needed (and I can't believe I need to explain this) then stopping the bleeding alone (even if you could do it instantly and completely, which you can;t) would. not. save. him.
So you are in fact saying a doctor has to stand by and let him die.
@stathamajf What you so called childish freedom is practices by doctors. It is sad but you are not allow to force transfusion on him/her. Either you consult with him/her over and over again (or someone from the family) until they change their minds. You are not allowed to force treatments.
@harrychang6213 You love to dodge around an issue don;t you?
Firstly, things like Right Mind legislation let you do exactly that, and secondly please stop being so naive. If he is refusing to be saved, then he isn;t changing his mind. Neither will his family (even if you had the time to spend all day consulting with a single patient's family, they wouldn't budge if they hadn;t already) so you are advocating they be allowed to die while guilt is assuaged with useless efforts.
@harrychang6213 What I call childish is the notion that everyone's freedoms can be perfectly held to with no overlap ever, ever, ever.
I'll also go ahead and say your idea that if the doctor does some random other thing (stopping blood loss, consulting family/patient) that they'd already have done anyway, things will be magically fixed.
Though I'm curious, are you saying these things will save the man, or just make it okay for the doctor to allow him to die?
@harrychang6213 [cont...] we still have the fact that his entire set-up is built around trying to depose a tyranny and give power back to the population itself. As for telling the consumers the risks, I'm not sure what you mean.
Sarif's high quality and well tested products? Or the chip someone else put in people which his operative then disabled? The deception ensured augmentation continued, as well as removing the chips use, which allows them to keep fighting the illuminati.
@stathamajf It's pretty obvious you didn't play the first Deus Ex. The risk is that someone can mess up your head if they want to. In the ending of the first Deus Ex, JC has the ability to assemble all the minds of people because of their augmentation.
The deception did not leave the public to decide, they didn't know the truth. Sarif wants to hide this, manipulate them to keep on having the augmentation he provides. Just like he manipulates Jensen and hiding the truth of his family
@harrychang6213 No, I just don;t make decisions in this game based off of a future the character couldn;t possibly know about. The logical assumption is that only the self destruct ending leads to the other games, the other three poke too many plot holes.
The public were never going to decide, they were always going to be spun one way or the other. Picuus was still fully operational remember. Sarif was already rich, it was never about money with him. That was made clear.
@stathamajf By the way, he was also angry when you saved the manager lady instead of killing the terrorist. Beside, who gave you the idea less wealthy people can have opportunity if they get augmented? In China, this lady who was in debt told you she had tried so hard yet always loses to the rich kids who can afford better augmentation, which is why she needed to borrow money from the mob to have the same augmentation.
@harrychang6213 And if you do it the other way round he gets upset and angry over that too, the first level is a no win, no matter what you do, someone gets mad at you.
No, Jana tells you she lost to guys with augs when she had none at all, also considering how much of the cost is in the neuroprozene, it's made clear that removing that will drastically scale back costs and let everyone have them.
@stathamajf Twist it all you like, because that still wouldn't change the fact that augmentation is like extreme plastic sugery. It forces its image on people and they feel they will lose in the competition in life if they don't get better and more expensive augmentation.
@stathamajf Even with Jensen's magical blood, humanity will still be addicted to augmentation. If you don't get augmented or unable to afford the augmentation, you lose it all. Even if you do, the wealthier people's augmentations are still better. If you played through the game, you saw a case where workers are replaced by the one with augmentation, and one person who lost his job cutted off his own healthy arm, asking for a new robotic arm. That's how desperate people really are.
@harrychang6213 Yeah, and you could help those people, which is the whole point. It's the people that define it all, so why allow the illuminati's ploy to sway their opinions?
As for being left behind by advancements, stop. Now stand up. Now look around you. And think on this one for a bit.
That's how everything works. It's called life. And augmentation is a hell of a lot fairer then losing because you were born defective.
@stathamajf No, it's not how you help this people and believe you're their some kind of guardian angel, it's about people making a choice and help themself. You either have fallen in the trap of extreme parentalism or didn't try to understand disabled people.
Do you really think the disabled would like you to go up to them and tell them "You are not fine the way you are, go get an augmentation", and forcing them to join the competition?
@harrychang6213 A stupid choice, you remember that that was exactly what Darrow was trying to convince them of anyway, hence the 'Darrow' ending, and hence Eliza being there. They were all spun, you had to decide how.
As for playing the 'disabled people want to stay disabled' card...it's pretty ridiculous dude. You want proof? Here; ww . bbc . co . uk / news / science- environment- 1327334 8
close spaces, then see if you still think the same thing afterwards (a short piece)
@stathamajf Who are you to decide for people when you don't even respect their choice? That is just the same tyranny as the illuminati, hence why I said Sarif is just another illuminati. By the way, Darrow DID prove augmentation has its flaws. And It's still about making a choice. So don't try to say that I think 'disabled people want to stay disabled', I didn't said that, what I meant was giving people themselves the chance to decide, while them knowing the TRUTH.
@harrychang6213 I respect their choice when they can make it, but in this case the choice lay with Adam (or Page if you blew the base up) and trying to give people personal freedom seems the best option.
Darrow proved that with a huge amount of resources, an ancient conspiracy and a position of trust, you can eventually launch an attack on a lot of innocent people. Note how that has nothing to do with augmentation, except perhaps an object lesson in not being a gullible moron.
@stathamajf If you respect their choice then why did you called it stupid? The choice is still in the people's hands if you tell them the truth. And just because they choose not to have augmentation anymore you think your choice overpowers theirs?
Darrow's theory was given to JC, which allows him to change people despite their wishes. He is the protagonist of first Deus Ex, if you think he is a moron, maybe you should play the game first.
@harrychang6213 Tell them the truth, means let Darow's manipulation succeed. Meaning let all the people who died in those events, do so so that he could succeed in a spiteful attempt at keeping people in the dark ages. (use the casie on him, he did it because he's jealous as he cannot get augments himself due to a rare genetic problem).
I have played it, I already said as much above. And again, this is a sequel, and both endings in question diverge it from Deus Ex anyway.
@stathamajf How is it manipulation when you are telling the truth instead of telling them blind lies? It's true that Darrow is doing this out of jealousy but it's not about who winning or losing. At least the public still knows it and makes the choice themselves. The only reason why you say it's Darrow's manipulation is because the public choice is different from what you believed. Covering people with lies is manipulation.
@harrychang6213 You can manipulate with truth just as well as with lies, that's pretty basic technique dude. Let's be clear on this, Sarif ending we go with how Sarif wanted it to be, Darrow we do same, Taggart we do same. You're claiming that one of these is different because it involves more truth then the others.
Which is interesting, as it's also the one with the most people killed to achieve it, the most callous manipulation behind it and the dumbest reasoning (pure spite).
@harrychang6213 And you said that disabled people were fine the way they are. I've yet to meet a diabled person who agreed with that statement, they all seemed to think being disabled was a bad thing.
@stathamajf Stop blaming life and thrust every responsibilities upon it. Count less of people will lose jobs and get left behind (which is mentioned in the epilogue of Sarif's ending). Augmentation is not a lot fairer, you still lose when you are born defective - in terms of wealth.
@harrychang6213 Just like they get left behind in other fields, just like jobs are lost in other fields, because that's how progress works. If you don't like it...I dunno, go be Amish.
And the wealth thing is what they're trying to fix, it's said over and over that the real money barrier is not augmentation price, but the cost and dependency of neuroprozene.
Not to mention that poverty at birth sucks either way, augmentation gets rid of a lot of other problems though.
@stathamajf You said that's how progress works, funny thing, because you act as if progress is a living thing that forces you left people behind. No, you have a choice not to, and it presents itself at the end of the game. And again with the imaginated plot, no, it was not mentioned in the game neither in the real Sarif website.
It's true poverty sucks either way, but what augmentation did was making the difference between wealthy and the poor even more. NO, IT'S NOT FAIRER.
@harrychang6213 So all thaton and on about neurozprene prices, the side-quests about getting it to poor people, the charts up EVERYWHERE about it's negatiove effects...I just imagined those? Sarif was openly trying to close the divide, Megan went on about it (before she went evil) and so did Sarif.
How do you stop progress? If you have a method that doesn;t involve genocide, then maybe it's an option, otherwise, people will continue to progress or watch others progress.
HUMANITY+! Evolution naturally only ends in extinction. Humanity has the ability to control its own evolution and make ourselves better. The Singularity is Near.
this message stands upon a lie. theres no way i could have sent it. Sarif is willing to walk all over anyone to make humanity evolve. if you have to force evolution, then it is not evolution.
@saygoodnightmanuel evolution and natural selection is always forced out by nature...if we would have the chance to speed up that evolution, why wouldnt we? the message maybe a lie but the cause justifies the means
@kadejem he is trying to justify creating Nietzsche's overman. you're not speeding evolution for everyone, you're forcing people to get augs if they want to survive in an auged world. and do all people have the wisdom to use this newly found power for the greater good? thats one of the choices u have as Adam, to use your power wisely and protect people, or go on a killing spree and cause mayhem.
@saygoodnightmanuel Yeah, I agree with you! Humanity should stay in the dark ages forever. Who cares about becoming immortal demigods when we can play with sticks all day?
@CrookedSmirk this is not about staying in the dark ages, you can find alternate means to help mankind evolve, ya know. there is not only one path to evolution, only a fool would think so. and does humanity really seem to be better off in the Deus Ex universe?
@saygoodnightmanuel It's not about biological evolution, it's about progression as a species.
"you can find alternate means to help mankind evolve"
Weren't you just preaching about how forced evolution isn't legitimate evolution? You're being incredibly fallacious.
Regardless, morality is an intangible entity -- as are lies. If given the chance to lie in order to progress the human race I wouldn't have any apprehensions.
@CrookedSmirk the evolution Sarif refers to is about conquering biological boundaries, not conquering space or conquering the laws of physics.
by forced evolution i meant coercing people to take on augs in order to compete in an auged world and walking on corpses for it. you can find means to help mankind evolve without compromising your ethics, humanity, etc. i'm afraid you are the one who is basing their argument on a fallacy, by misrepresenting my argument.
I think Eliza kind of points out the real ending just based off of what she says if you blow the base. Further, the ending for that one follows the main theme of these games: there is no one "right" choice, you just have to hope for humanity to decide what it best and to implement change when changes need to happen.
@cubefreak123 Yeah, the moron ending. You realise that blowing the base doesn;t let this nebulous 'humanity' choose? It just means other people will be the ones spinning the story, and that the truth never outs, and that you killed a whole bunch of innocent people for no real reason.
That ending is the one that ties into Page taking over the best of them all, which kind of suggests it is the canon ending, and also the least clever one.
@stathamajf You can say that it's the 'moron' ending and that there is no choice simply because you don't know what you learn from playing the first game. From Adam's perspective that IS the best chance you have; Page and MJ12 were almost non-existent in HR. However, augmentation doesn't seem to be near as wide-spread in DE1, implying that humanity DID scale back from it, the Illuminati was weakened (which allowed for MJ12 but again, perspective)
@cubefreak123 As I said, Panchaea destroyed is the only one that fits canon, it destroys the major players that would otherwise mess up the flow of events that led to Deus Ex, while also preparing the background and leaving Page free to continue to control the population for another few decades.
I consider the three character-named, spun endings to be alternate continuity, each one showcasing the ideals and wishes of the one it's named for. Panchaea-boom is just a canon tie in.
In the original Deus Ex, only some people have mechanical augmentations, and Sarif wants all people to have them. I've chosen the self-destruct ending, because Sarif and Jensen don't appear in any other DX game, although they have created JC Denton and his family. Plus, the logo of the game is a pile of triangles, which appear only in the self-destruct ending.
@MultiBOZA But Denton appears at the end of this one, fact is any one can be canon, it's up to the personal views of the player to choose his/her personal canon.
The upcoming DLC is canon and features Adam again. He lives, and the self destruct ending is NOT canon. Any of the other 3 could be canon however, and likely no matter what Adam tells humanity, it does whatever it wants.
Still, the ending where Jensen broadcasts the original message is not possible, because it would ban all the augmentations and Jensen would die, JC won't exist and no other game would be possible.
As much as I love this ending, and want this ending to be canonical, the dialog from the Easter Egg suggests that Adam's ending is considered the "true" ending in the eyes of the developers.
This one shall have to remain the true ending in our hearts. Our hyper-efficient, precisely engineered cybernetic hearts.
I chose this one just because it seems the most linked to the Deus Ex series storyline. But, personally, I would have chosen Adam's ending (destroy the station).
I chose this one just because it seems the most linked to the Deus Ex series storyline. But, personally, I would have chosen Adam's ending (destroy the station).
One day, transhumans shall be everywhere, and purists will be weird and harmless like Amish people. But only if the fanatics in God name wont go to the war with genetically and technologically enhanced people. Then they will fall, and millions with them. Nobody cannot stop the future.
"We can finally become the gods we've always been striving to be.
We might as well get good at it.'
RandomDistractons 12 hours ago
How come this came didnt have the aliens like in the First one with JC denton?
thenicholashuber 1 week ago
@thenicholashuber Because they were creations of Versalife using alien DNA and human genomes, with the backing of the Majestic 12, which doesn't exist yet as of Human Revolution; MJ12 will be formed sometime during the 25 years between HR and the original. That, and I imagine genetic engineering still isn't as advanced as it was in the original, since cybernetic augmentations are still the top of the line augmentations, compared to the nano-augmentations in the original.
Zaydin2 3 days ago
"To turn away from it now, to stop pursuing a future in which technology and biology converge, leading to the promise of a singularity, would be to deny the very ESSENCE of who we are."
One of the most beautiful lines in videogaming history, and I didn't even pick this ending.
Puglous 2 weeks ago 2
This is the 'best' ending, IMO. Even though the Illuminati are still in power at least Jensen lives on and can do some small good. Like @KNOCKOUT1309 I'd like to see a sequal that replaces, 'Invisible War.' Long live seekers of truth. LONG LIVE DEUS EX!
Aggedor1959 4 weeks ago
To tell you the truth Adam was the person to show that common people can handle the power that the government has. He gives the Gov. a reason to trust the common people.
IgniterGT 1 month ago 6
In my understanding of the DX universe, the government/illuminati would always have access to superior technology and augmentation regardless of the ending. However, the Sarif ending"evens the playing field" for common men and women by allowing them the means of liberation and self-defense against a potentially tyrannical government. Adam himself said this prior to the fight with Namir: "You're afraid of augmented people like me with the power to resist you". That is the true revolution in DX.
MrManiacPsycho 1 month ago 20
@MrManiacPsycho
One has to remember that the Machine Room in which Sarif hid had a small submarine. I guess he would leave, saving few others. The illuminati on Panchaea weren't the only ones. And the others would know about the chip plans so both sides would survive anyway. I agree that Sarif's ending gives more equal chances to people than others.
Panczekolada 3 weeks ago
@MrManiacPsycho Indeed. The coming biotech and nanotech advances will uplift and empower individuals. It is no surprise that political organizations benefiting from the current paradigm will resist such a decentralization of power.
thoth81 3 weeks ago
@MrManiacPsycho Unfortunately, because this is a prequel, anyone who has played the original knows that Sarifs dream doesn't become a reality, and those that would control humanity manage to keep their control of it.
Zaydin2 3 days ago
I went with Taggart in the end, but each had valuable arguments. After the credits though, is the best plot twist of the game.
copersonfilms 1 month ago
@copersonfilms Not if you knew the plots of the games it's a prequel too. In that case it stops being a twist, and throws itself back on course for the nastiness that occured in those games.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf I played the other games, and really I didn't see it coming. I Figured the writers would leave a plot gap so they didn't mess anything up.
copersonfilms 1 month ago
I don't know what ending is the best, they all have some many valid points! But I think that I'm leaning towards Taggard's ending. But what I don't understand is the whole Adam's DNA thing, is that the only reason Megan wanted him to assume Head of Security of Sarif Industries or did she really have feelings for him even though she was completely determined with her research. I wish the ending would of contained follow ups on the main characters.
TheSquirrelMonster 2 months ago
is there gonna be another sequal?
KNOCKOUT1309 2 months ago
@KNOCKOUT1309 Sequel?
This game actually takes place before the original Deus Ex game, so if you want to see what happens /after/ this game, search for the original Deus Ex.
But I would absolutely love to see a continuation of the Deus Ex series.
vBlueTigerv 2 months ago 11
@vBlueTigerv
it could e.g. play in the new world where everyone's uplinked by helios and you're one of jc's fighters fighting against evil templars or illuminati remnants who want to destroy the system/subdue humanity, but it turns out they're secretly led by helios (as he has the ultimate power to hide stuff from people) so he can control the resistance (which there always would be) and also justify his rule of law, and in the end you can either destroy, reprogram or let him be
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
@sirjefferson9001 and reprogram him to either obey the illuminati or templars, or take control of him yourself, or have nobody in control by switching everybody able to see everything
sirjefferson9001 1 month ago
This ending is kind of scary lol we cant be gods...we are to evil inside to greedy..we will abuse our power somehow...
lordmasterization 2 months ago
@lordmasterization Okay then, you can stay human, me I want my nano bots.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf me to but what happens when hakers come to attack
lordmasterization 1 month ago
@lordmasterization Same thing that happens when a mugger comes to attack now I guess, though I find it hard to believe that anyone would stick a chip in their head with external input functionality. Likely at worst you'd be looking at vulnerabilities in your HUD overlay, in which case switch it off and scrub the system, no worse then getting your i-phone hacked now.
More importantly, should we really let the fear of evil and stupidity keep us from trying to move forward?
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf i dunno, if the chip controlls the limb implants then their will be trouble
lordmasterization 1 month ago
i dont know..theres just somthing unnerving about this ending...
TheAtomicusBomb 2 months ago
This is one of the few games that could actually be turned into a great movie.
usadefcon1 2 months ago
A Technological Sigularity? I suppose it's only fair that the same species that has killed several thousand others get wiped out by a sentient race of computers :D
y0d499 2 months ago
@y0d499 We don't get wiped out. XD That's not what a Singularity is.
We merge.
Jangosmith 2 months ago 15
@Jangosmith dengerouse, when hakers take control of computers they will be controlling us...then Skynet lol
lordmasterization 2 months ago
Steal panties from the cunts.
faunos51 3 months ago
I didn't want to blow up the station because I don't like the idea of adam's story just "ending" it seems so... empty... and sudden... knowing that adam can still live and has a chance to continue what he does is better... IMO
Minnzorr 3 months ago
@Minnzorr It was a stupid ending anyway. Because of course the people on that station were the only ones who wanted to influence human decisions, get rid of them and everyone else would magically join into a utopian entity to decide their future.
...oh wait...
stathamajf 1 month ago
I chose this ending as my first, and I still would stick to it after watching the others.
orsadam 3 months ago 7
My first bit of exposure to this game was the image of the fetus, and the last image I saw was the very same thing. Intended or not it was a wonderful, almost touching, piece of closure for the saga.
apoptartfairy 3 months ago
I picked this one because I was too selfish to let Adam die. All of these speeches are incredibly good and you will feel like you made the right decision no matter what the ending.
higoshimaru 3 months ago
you know there was a forth ending? Where Adam choose to destroy panchaera (and sacrifise himself) because nobody should have the right to shape the mindset of people with such information? Even the supposed "neutral" Durrow uplink is onesided. Taggard was atleast right with his statement, that total freedom equals chaos. Nothing should be without control. We've finally understood that with our neoliberal influenced economy. That doesn't mean our governments and democracy shouldn't be improved.
Crazytype 3 months ago
Transhumanism is the ideal that humanity will be able to finally be able to move past its physical limits and rise to something greater. I believe that humanity has that choice of pursuing something better than being hindered by their limitations.
Azieru82 3 months ago 5
@Azieru82 You are not alone in this. Many others seek a similar future for the species, myself included.
thoth81 3 months ago 2
These three endings, especially Sarif's and Darrow's ones, had the biggest impact on my ever in a video game. Only Heavy Rain and Enslaved were comparable in my opinion.
DonSnowblood 3 months ago 3
@DonSnowblood Try Ico and possibly shadow of the collosus. You have to look for it, but the same degree of art is present in them as in the three you mention (I assume, I've only played Enslaved and Deus Ex).
stathamajf 1 month ago
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What a bunch of shitty endings to an otherwise good game. Really, those niggas just threw together some random video clips and tacked on some elementary philosophical bs.
DownloadDoctor1 4 months ago
@DownloadDoctor1 Ignorance is bliss.
ac1dchr15t 3 months ago
@ac1dchr15t Oh, you've got an Illuminati symbol for your avi, I'm so scared. / sarcasm A fifth grader could have come up with deeper dialogue than the endings in this game. The entire last level was pure shit as well.
DownloadDoctor1 3 months ago
@DownloadDoctor1 I don't understand why you insist on trying start something..I won't say anything more. Thought the game was excellent with a great ending to make you think. That is all.
ac1dchr15t 3 months ago
@DownloadDoctor1
"those niggas" Seriously? What are you? 12? Grow up.
"niggas just threw together some random video clips and tacked on some elementary philosophical bs. "
What would you suggest? Jensen walking off into the fucking sunset?
It isn't some elementary philosophical bs. You're aren't thinking deep enough if you think it is.
spudnick3490 3 months ago 2
@spudnick3490 Let me help you out with your grammar there, little guy. You're = you are. So "you are are not thinking deep" is a cluster-fuck grammatically aka a grammatical nightmare. Try to finish grade school before you jump into debates, genius.
DownloadDoctor1 3 months ago
@DownloadDoctor1 You do know that english is not the only language in this world right? There are other languages too. Most people have another language as their native language before english and therefore may not be as good in english as you are. Learn to look beyond your own nose before nailing people down just because their english is not as good as yours. I have not seen your discussion, but I am just saying this as a general thing.
Persason 3 months ago
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@DownloadDoctor1
"is a cluster-fuck grammatically aka a grammatical nightmare" It's called a typo. Dumbass.
Atleast I have half a brain and the maturity to not use "those niggas".
You really are a complete retard.
spudnick3490 3 months ago
I didn't get this one as an option. I never found Sarif at the end, not like I looked hard like 30 seconds and said fuck it. I didn't know that would effect the ending. :/ I hope the other two aren't as lame as this one though, time to find out.
DownloadDoctor1 4 months ago
I chose this ending because I want to see what we can achieve even if it could destroy us all.
Maxaker67 4 months ago
@SunTzuKhagan Whooptie doo
Sangano1 4 months ago
Inspiring stuff...
Gmrbro 4 months ago
Science and technology is not only the road to self improvement, but to understanding of the universe. Technology empowers us, it makes us stronger, more intelligent, more capable and it will allow us to reach for the stars.
What it doesn't do is help us make moral choices that could affect the course of our history, as a race. That is down to each of us, as individuals. Responsibility for our actions.
Aurelian87 4 months ago 2
@Aurelian87 well if we get rid of emotions with technology and become 100% rational machines we could even do that.
Maxaker67 4 months ago
@Aurelian87 Yes!
thoth81 3 months ago
David Sarif ending is the biggest step forward comparing to other ones I think, it's not that technology is a problem, the problem lies in ourselves, our destructive weakness like greed, hate, ignorance, intolerance etc. just like Adam said "but what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? what if the path, Sarif wants us to take, enables us to hold onto higher values with more stability?" it is the path that mankind followed from the beggining, and I think its worth say yes.
BillfromRampage 4 months ago 36
@BillfromRampage Well said.
thoth81 3 months ago
@BillfromRampage That makes me regret choosing Darrow's....
crimsonheretic 2 months ago 5
It is human nature for us to feel which is the cause of all the unfortunate man-made events like war in the world and with this technological advancement I believe it will once again be abused as that is part of human nature of why it happened in the first place. Don't blame the technology, blame the user. "The first thing you learn about emotion is that it has its price. A complete paradox. But without restraint, without control, emotion is chaos." -Jurgen.
InevitableEnigma 2 months ago
the child at 2:06 IT SO FUCKING SCARY!!!!! i've choose the Darrow ending
fameas234 4 months ago
all endings are a collection of ideals and moral and ethical issues that we as a speices must face technology is a good thing but it can also be a negative it depends on how we approach it the end does not justify the means if it means in the process of becoming the gods we've always strived to be we loose our humanity in the process and instead become all that in which we hate
psychshift 4 months ago
@psychshift
Technology will never have negative effects. It never has or will have a bad side to it.
The problem lies with humanity. This may be my view but more specifically, the problem lies with religion.
We are restricted in an unbelievable amount of ways because of the moral and ethical views of people who believe whatever their imaginary friend says.
Technology and religion together will cause the end of the world. It only takes religious fanatics to have nukes to cause this.
spudnick3490 3 months ago
@psychshift
The day humanity realises that all we need is rationalism, intelligence and technology, we will enter a golden age. This, is what the ending represents.
spudnick3490 3 months ago 6
@spudnick3490 indeed.
morbentfel 1 month ago
I choose this ending, because it make us easier to travel into another star, if faster than light could not be achieveable.
GrassCutterSword 4 months ago
The ends justify the means.
1lapmagic 4 months ago
Where the hell is David Sarif? lol This ending is all I need! :(
BrighterComa 4 months ago
@BrighterComa You must find and go to another elevator (NOT that one what take you to core).
FalconRS 4 months ago
I love how each of the endings has valuable arguments.
TheForestInYou 4 months ago 52
@TheForestInYou
they all use very similar arguments, but as eliza expains it, they just spin it in a way that benefits different motives
gorginhanson 4 months ago
@TheForestInYou Exactly. Which makes every ending the right one, right?
DwightKoh93 3 months ago
@TheForestInYou
Dude, I think exactly the same thing. I am not a luddite, but even Darrow Ending sounds reasonable.
Upwinger2020 2 months ago
@TheForestInYou That was the intention....everyone is right somehow...but also they are all wrong...and most importantly...everybody lies...
lordmasterization 2 months ago
wow this game was amazing.
Highfivehiroshima 4 months ago
Sarif ending is the true ending to the entire DE franchise. In fact it is the true ending to a human nature as well.
NeveranticStory 4 months ago
Transhumanism rulez!!!!
michtoppien666 4 months ago in playlist Favoritos de michtoppien666
Here's why I chose this ending over the other ones. Remember how Watchmen ended? Yea that plantsless blue jerk, but I digress. I chose this because I immediately thought "Rorschach would have wanted this." I chose this because of that lovable, tenacious, murdering, psychopath.
lol960 4 months ago
@lol960 Didn't Rorschach value justice and truth above all else? He risked the very existence of humanity to expose the truth of Ozymandias' plan. Surely the Darrow ending revealing what really happened to the public would be more fitting from his perspective.
lobster1077 4 months ago
@lobster1077 Crap thought this was the Darrow video. Sorry for my moronic...ness?
lol960 4 months ago
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lobster1077 4 months ago
It's strange so many people chose this ending.
If you are a normal person in 2027, you're looking at a new aug in LIMB. Among all the labels and descriptions etc, Sarif, intentionally left out a line stating "Warning, user may be manipulated by potential technology, turned into mindless slaves/crazy zombies" (in fact, not potential, since Darrow DID made it happened).
How would you feel as a customer?
It's very easy to say "for science", when the corporation's actually doing this "for money"
harrychang6213 4 months ago
@harrychang6213 Not really, the reason they went crazy was a specific neural chip, which frankly only a complete moron would have gotten installed (a guy even notes that since all the chips are different the 'fix' makes no sense) and which was made by ebil people.
Sarif ensured that said evil people's plan to suppress that technology didn't succeed. And if they were doing it solely for money, Sarif would have bought into the Illuminati when they repeatedly asked him to join them
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Hah, the chip was initially made by Young's to mind control people, but Darrow changed it for his own purpose, and he installed it in all his employee. How would you feel if you know your boss has already installed a chip in your head and can control your mind? He/She can either make you submissive to all their orders or just simply make you insane.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Tai Yeong was only the manufacturer, the illuminati made it, Darrow messed up their plan. It was then installed in everyone dumb enough to go to a limb clinic and get it installed.
It wasn;t at a control stage, it could only disable augments, induce hallucinations, or similarly obvious stuff. As for my feelings, I'd be angry, at the illuminati, who were responsible. Sarif was doing his best to stop the illuminati, that he wasn't always polite about it is fine.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Just because someone doesn't join an evil secret society doesn't mean they are not evil. Despite being his most trusted man, Sarif backstabs Jensen all the time, he searched his background secretly, wouldn't tell him the truth of his family, used Jensen's girlfriend to get his blood and got him to do all the dirty work. Not to mention he want you to pinpoint Taggart (and Young), his only obstacle from becoming the industry superpower, with a crime(terrorism) they did not commit.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Background checks on secuirty employees are standard fare, and reasonable. The truth of his family was a huge deal and not something that would be easy to break to someone, doing so in a time like that would be stupid and cruel.
Megan did the DNA thing after she saw Adam's paternity test, Sarif just covered it up, again pretty reasonable considering the scope of what had been uncovered, namely a way to eliminate a hugely addictive drug, that's keeping [cont...]
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 [cont..] less wealthy people from getting augmented, not telling one person the truth is hardly comparable to that kind of opportunity.
He only had you doing dirty work if you played as a killer, and he was unhappy with you for doing such, as for going after taggart and the dragon lady, they did far worse if you play thoroughly and find all the files related to them, bringing them down was always your goal, using that to also help humanity evolve was clever.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf The Sarif from your imagination is totally different from the one in the game. Sarif lied to Jensen throughout the entire game. He was never going to tell you anything unless you found a trail and had Richard to help you. IT'S CRUEL when he doesn't tell you who you are. Also he also broke every known ethical rules in the field of medicine and science, he ask for no consent from his subjects and do not tell the consumers all the risks and details. He want you to LIE.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 About dangerous things that knowing about could get you killed. Not to mention how crazy it would have sounded, as to your DNA, again, that's pretty well justified considered the scope of what it could cure, not to mention the question of whether telling someone their entire life is a lie and they were an experiment...is really a nice thing to do.
Adam knows who he is, and defines it through his actions in the game. What were concealed were his origins [cont...]
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 [cont...] which are the kind of horror story that we often wish stayed buried. Had he told Adam I don't doubt you'd complain about him making such a decision for him.
Really? Because Sarif was the only group in the entire game that maintained strict ethical codes throughout. The only example of no consent was Jensen, and that's shaky at best. Even without considering that without full augmentation Adam would have died before reaching China [cont...]
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf First of all, you always need a consent, you need them to make a choice. You don't do secret background check to your employee. and you need consent to experiment on anyone in any circumstances and you ALWAYS, ALWAYS tell the costumer the truth.
Please, Adam is not a three years old and Sarif is not his parent or what so ever. People still chases Adam even if he doesn't know the truth.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 You're kind of naive dude, any high level employee gets background checks ina company, it's standard for checking for surprises in their past. And please note that when he realises what he's found there, Sarif shuts the investigation done instantly, it occur that this might be why he kept it to himself?
To experiment, sure, to save their life via enhancements...when they openly approve of them...no.
People shot the PI for knowing, that seems to contradict you.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf It's pretty obviuous you are not in touch of medicine at all. No, people are allowed to refuse life-saving treatment, either it's proved by a family member or in their will or they expressed the idea themselves (when they are pyschologically normal). It is certain that you are a parentalist when you believe you can make a better choice for people even if it clashes with their beliefs. Funny thing is that'ts what illuminati believes in as well.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Two assumptions made, two utter misses.
I'm a med student. And while paternalistic medicine is being left behind (rightly so) it remains the case that no med school I know of teaches you to refuse life saving treatment. Even if an adult has refused, it's often done anyway with the caveat that they weren't in their right mind. You help people survive, then if they want to go jump off a bridge afterwards, they can go right ahead.
Also Adam had given signed consent.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Do you even know what you're talking? I highly doubt what medicine school you are in. You CAN refue chemotheropy even if you have terminal cancer. And Jehovah's Witness often refuse blood transfusion and organ transplant because they believe souls are in them. Maybe you are a med students 30 years ago or you are in some extreme Eastern paternalistic med school but Western society respects a patient's autonomy. And you need a pyschologist to judge someone insane.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 St. Andrews; Chemo is a totally different thing, people refuse it because of risks in chemo, not because they'd rather die. And jehovah's witnesses generally then get one kind of work around or another done by people who've sworn to help people and don;t like watching someone die because of superstition.
If you don't understand the ethical definitions of Right Mind, Autonomy or Insanity, then you probably shouldn;t be trying to lecture me on this subject.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf You really like to imagine stuff up. I did not write anything about doctors should give up on patients. But it's still true that they can refuse blood transfusion and organ transplant. It's the clash between autonomy and beneficence. Doctors need to ask for consent even for a MRI check. And the fact that you keep on calling people's beliefs stupid and superstition proves just how poorly you respect patients' right and autonomy.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Yes you did say just that, you just avoid saying it outright.
Asking for consent is one thing, going along with it when a patient refuses to be saved is quite another.
Also, once again, Adam did give consent, he signed the form and worked for a augmentations company with apparent approval for their products.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf You wrote it yourself, they get another work around, which means you CAN refuse one way of treatment.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Definitely didn;t go to med school.
I said work around, as in a technical loop hole to let you give them the treatment anyway (often claims of right mind are used).
To be clear here, if someone needs a blood transfusion or organ and refuses it, then if you agree with them, they will die. There is no magic fix for that, they will die unless you ignore their wishes. So it's a choice between their life, and holding onto childish notions of absolute freedom...
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Oh and one psychologist is not enough, to help avoid abuses you need several signatures to declare someone insane.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf It's called patient-centered medicine, in case your school forgot to teach you that. Because my school did :)
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Yeah right, you just identified right mind as insanity, you haven't been to med school (or you're just surprisingly dishonest in your arguments for a guy going on about truth) and pulling buzz words won;t help you prove otherwise.
Patient centred medicine does not include letting someone die without a fight. Autonomy does not go that far, and for good reasons.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf I explained over and over again, refusing treatment does not equal "letting someone die without a fight". For example, even if a Jehovah's witness refuse blood transfusion even when he's losing too much blood, you can still try to stop the blood loss. I'm saying they have the right to refuse blood transfusion.
Can you stop imagining people saying things when they actually didn't?
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Yes, it means exactly that. I suppose you could do some random stuff for appearances, but that's just window dressing since it won;t actually help.
If he has lost enough blood for a blood transfusion to be needed (and I can't believe I need to explain this) then stopping the bleeding alone (even if you could do it instantly and completely, which you can;t) would. not. save. him.
So you are in fact saying a doctor has to stand by and let him die.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf What you so called childish freedom is practices by doctors. It is sad but you are not allow to force transfusion on him/her. Either you consult with him/her over and over again (or someone from the family) until they change their minds. You are not allowed to force treatments.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 You love to dodge around an issue don;t you?
Firstly, things like Right Mind legislation let you do exactly that, and secondly please stop being so naive. If he is refusing to be saved, then he isn;t changing his mind. Neither will his family (even if you had the time to spend all day consulting with a single patient's family, they wouldn't budge if they hadn;t already) so you are advocating they be allowed to die while guilt is assuaged with useless efforts.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 What I call childish is the notion that everyone's freedoms can be perfectly held to with no overlap ever, ever, ever.
I'll also go ahead and say your idea that if the doctor does some random other thing (stopping blood loss, consulting family/patient) that they'd already have done anyway, things will be magically fixed.
Though I'm curious, are you saying these things will save the man, or just make it okay for the doctor to allow him to die?
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 [cont...] we still have the fact that his entire set-up is built around trying to depose a tyranny and give power back to the population itself. As for telling the consumers the risks, I'm not sure what you mean.
Sarif's high quality and well tested products? Or the chip someone else put in people which his operative then disabled? The deception ensured augmentation continued, as well as removing the chips use, which allows them to keep fighting the illuminati.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf It's pretty obvious you didn't play the first Deus Ex. The risk is that someone can mess up your head if they want to. In the ending of the first Deus Ex, JC has the ability to assemble all the minds of people because of their augmentation.
The deception did not leave the public to decide, they didn't know the truth. Sarif wants to hide this, manipulate them to keep on having the augmentation he provides. Just like he manipulates Jensen and hiding the truth of his family
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 No, I just don;t make decisions in this game based off of a future the character couldn;t possibly know about. The logical assumption is that only the self destruct ending leads to the other games, the other three poke too many plot holes.
The public were never going to decide, they were always going to be spun one way or the other. Picuus was still fully operational remember. Sarif was already rich, it was never about money with him. That was made clear.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf By the way, he was also angry when you saved the manager lady instead of killing the terrorist. Beside, who gave you the idea less wealthy people can have opportunity if they get augmented? In China, this lady who was in debt told you she had tried so hard yet always loses to the rich kids who can afford better augmentation, which is why she needed to borrow money from the mob to have the same augmentation.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 And if you do it the other way round he gets upset and angry over that too, the first level is a no win, no matter what you do, someone gets mad at you.
No, Jana tells you she lost to guys with augs when she had none at all, also considering how much of the cost is in the neuroprozene, it's made clear that removing that will drastically scale back costs and let everyone have them.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Twist it all you like, because that still wouldn't change the fact that augmentation is like extreme plastic sugery. It forces its image on people and they feel they will lose in the competition in life if they don't get better and more expensive augmentation.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 So just like pretty much every other aspect of reality then?
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Even with Jensen's magical blood, humanity will still be addicted to augmentation. If you don't get augmented or unable to afford the augmentation, you lose it all. Even if you do, the wealthier people's augmentations are still better. If you played through the game, you saw a case where workers are replaced by the one with augmentation, and one person who lost his job cutted off his own healthy arm, asking for a new robotic arm. That's how desperate people really are.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Yeah, and you could help those people, which is the whole point. It's the people that define it all, so why allow the illuminati's ploy to sway their opinions?
As for being left behind by advancements, stop. Now stand up. Now look around you. And think on this one for a bit.
That's how everything works. It's called life. And augmentation is a hell of a lot fairer then losing because you were born defective.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf No, it's not how you help this people and believe you're their some kind of guardian angel, it's about people making a choice and help themself. You either have fallen in the trap of extreme parentalism or didn't try to understand disabled people.
Do you really think the disabled would like you to go up to them and tell them "You are not fine the way you are, go get an augmentation", and forcing them to join the competition?
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 A stupid choice, you remember that that was exactly what Darrow was trying to convince them of anyway, hence the 'Darrow' ending, and hence Eliza being there. They were all spun, you had to decide how.
As for playing the 'disabled people want to stay disabled' card...it's pretty ridiculous dude. You want proof? Here; ww . bbc . co . uk / news / science- environment- 1327334 8
close spaces, then see if you still think the same thing afterwards (a short piece)
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Who are you to decide for people when you don't even respect their choice? That is just the same tyranny as the illuminati, hence why I said Sarif is just another illuminati. By the way, Darrow DID prove augmentation has its flaws. And It's still about making a choice. So don't try to say that I think 'disabled people want to stay disabled', I didn't said that, what I meant was giving people themselves the chance to decide, while them knowing the TRUTH.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 I respect their choice when they can make it, but in this case the choice lay with Adam (or Page if you blew the base up) and trying to give people personal freedom seems the best option.
Darrow proved that with a huge amount of resources, an ancient conspiracy and a position of trust, you can eventually launch an attack on a lot of innocent people. Note how that has nothing to do with augmentation, except perhaps an object lesson in not being a gullible moron.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf If you respect their choice then why did you called it stupid? The choice is still in the people's hands if you tell them the truth. And just because they choose not to have augmentation anymore you think your choice overpowers theirs?
Darrow's theory was given to JC, which allows him to change people despite their wishes. He is the protagonist of first Deus Ex, if you think he is a moron, maybe you should play the game first.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Tell them the truth, means let Darow's manipulation succeed. Meaning let all the people who died in those events, do so so that he could succeed in a spiteful attempt at keeping people in the dark ages. (use the casie on him, he did it because he's jealous as he cannot get augments himself due to a rare genetic problem).
I have played it, I already said as much above. And again, this is a sequel, and both endings in question diverge it from Deus Ex anyway.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf How is it manipulation when you are telling the truth instead of telling them blind lies? It's true that Darrow is doing this out of jealousy but it's not about who winning or losing. At least the public still knows it and makes the choice themselves. The only reason why you say it's Darrow's manipulation is because the public choice is different from what you believed. Covering people with lies is manipulation.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 You can manipulate with truth just as well as with lies, that's pretty basic technique dude. Let's be clear on this, Sarif ending we go with how Sarif wanted it to be, Darrow we do same, Taggart we do same. You're claiming that one of these is different because it involves more truth then the others.
Which is interesting, as it's also the one with the most people killed to achieve it, the most callous manipulation behind it and the dumbest reasoning (pure spite).
stathamajf 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 And you said that disabled people were fine the way they are. I've yet to meet a diabled person who agreed with that statement, they all seemed to think being disabled was a bad thing.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf Stop blaming life and thrust every responsibilities upon it. Count less of people will lose jobs and get left behind (which is mentioned in the epilogue of Sarif's ending). Augmentation is not a lot fairer, you still lose when you are born defective - in terms of wealth.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 Just like they get left behind in other fields, just like jobs are lost in other fields, because that's how progress works. If you don't like it...I dunno, go be Amish.
And the wealth thing is what they're trying to fix, it's said over and over that the real money barrier is not augmentation price, but the cost and dependency of neuroprozene.
Not to mention that poverty at birth sucks either way, augmentation gets rid of a lot of other problems though.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf You said that's how progress works, funny thing, because you act as if progress is a living thing that forces you left people behind. No, you have a choice not to, and it presents itself at the end of the game. And again with the imaginated plot, no, it was not mentioned in the game neither in the real Sarif website.
It's true poverty sucks either way, but what augmentation did was making the difference between wealthy and the poor even more. NO, IT'S NOT FAIRER.
harrychang6213 1 month ago
@harrychang6213 So all thaton and on about neurozprene prices, the side-quests about getting it to poor people, the charts up EVERYWHERE about it's negatiove effects...I just imagined those? Sarif was openly trying to close the divide, Megan went on about it (before she went evil) and so did Sarif.
How do you stop progress? If you have a method that doesn;t involve genocide, then maybe it's an option, otherwise, people will continue to progress or watch others progress.
stathamajf 1 month ago
For science.
UndeadPizzaGuy 4 months ago
This game is actually a revolution. Not in gameplay or technology. But in its messages and issues it deals with.
Priest007 4 months ago
HUMANITY+! Evolution naturally only ends in extinction. Humanity has the ability to control its own evolution and make ourselves better. The Singularity is Near.
CyberWraith81 4 months ago
This ending is horrible for me .
PcGamer4ever1 4 months ago
this message stands upon a lie. theres no way i could have sent it. Sarif is willing to walk all over anyone to make humanity evolve. if you have to force evolution, then it is not evolution.
saygoodnightmanuel 4 months ago
@saygoodnightmanuel evolution and natural selection is always forced out by nature...if we would have the chance to speed up that evolution, why wouldnt we? the message maybe a lie but the cause justifies the means
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@kadejem he is trying to justify creating Nietzsche's overman. you're not speeding evolution for everyone, you're forcing people to get augs if they want to survive in an auged world. and do all people have the wisdom to use this newly found power for the greater good? thats one of the choices u have as Adam, to use your power wisely and protect people, or go on a killing spree and cause mayhem.
saygoodnightmanuel 4 months ago
@saygoodnightmanuel Yeah, I agree with you! Humanity should stay in the dark ages forever. Who cares about becoming immortal demigods when we can play with sticks all day?
CrookedSmirk 4 months ago
@CrookedSmirk this is not about staying in the dark ages, you can find alternate means to help mankind evolve, ya know. there is not only one path to evolution, only a fool would think so. and does humanity really seem to be better off in the Deus Ex universe?
saygoodnightmanuel 4 months ago
@saygoodnightmanuel It's not about biological evolution, it's about progression as a species.
"you can find alternate means to help mankind evolve"
Weren't you just preaching about how forced evolution isn't legitimate evolution? You're being incredibly fallacious.
Regardless, morality is an intangible entity -- as are lies. If given the chance to lie in order to progress the human race I wouldn't have any apprehensions.
CrookedSmirk 4 months ago 2
@CrookedSmirk the evolution Sarif refers to is about conquering biological boundaries, not conquering space or conquering the laws of physics.
by forced evolution i meant coercing people to take on augs in order to compete in an auged world and walking on corpses for it. you can find means to help mankind evolve without compromising your ethics, humanity, etc. i'm afraid you are the one who is basing their argument on a fallacy, by misrepresenting my argument.
saygoodnightmanuel 4 months ago
@CrookedSmirk some would argue that our intangible assets are our most precious ones
saygoodnightmanuel 4 months ago
I think Eliza kind of points out the real ending just based off of what she says if you blow the base. Further, the ending for that one follows the main theme of these games: there is no one "right" choice, you just have to hope for humanity to decide what it best and to implement change when changes need to happen.
cubefreak123 4 months ago
@cubefreak123 Yeah, the moron ending. You realise that blowing the base doesn;t let this nebulous 'humanity' choose? It just means other people will be the ones spinning the story, and that the truth never outs, and that you killed a whole bunch of innocent people for no real reason.
That ending is the one that ties into Page taking over the best of them all, which kind of suggests it is the canon ending, and also the least clever one.
stathamajf 1 month ago
@stathamajf You can say that it's the 'moron' ending and that there is no choice simply because you don't know what you learn from playing the first game. From Adam's perspective that IS the best chance you have; Page and MJ12 were almost non-existent in HR. However, augmentation doesn't seem to be near as wide-spread in DE1, implying that humanity DID scale back from it, the Illuminati was weakened (which allowed for MJ12 but again, perspective)
cubefreak123 1 month ago
@cubefreak123 As I said, Panchaea destroyed is the only one that fits canon, it destroys the major players that would otherwise mess up the flow of events that led to Deus Ex, while also preparing the background and leaving Page free to continue to control the population for another few decades.
I consider the three character-named, spun endings to be alternate continuity, each one showcasing the ideals and wishes of the one it's named for. Panchaea-boom is just a canon tie in.
stathamajf 1 month ago
1:48 OMG the sun's a giant ass!
Gferd176 5 months ago
This is not the correct ending!
In the original Deus Ex, only some people have mechanical augmentations, and Sarif wants all people to have them. I've chosen the self-destruct ending, because Sarif and Jensen don't appear in any other DX game, although they have created JC Denton and his family. Plus, the logo of the game is a pile of triangles, which appear only in the self-destruct ending.
MultiBOZA 5 months ago
@MultiBOZA But Denton appears at the end of this one, fact is any one can be canon, it's up to the personal views of the player to choose his/her personal canon.
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@MultiBOZA
The upcoming DLC is canon and features Adam again. He lives, and the self destruct ending is NOT canon. Any of the other 3 could be canon however, and likely no matter what Adam tells humanity, it does whatever it wants.
Erdross 5 months ago
@Erdross
Still, the ending where Jensen broadcasts the original message is not possible, because it would ban all the augmentations and Jensen would die, JC won't exist and no other game would be possible.
MultiBOZA 5 months ago
@Erdross The upcoming ending takes place during Deus Ex : Human Revolution, not after it.
SteelFyire 5 months ago
bullshit I flooded the base
gringolazlo 5 months ago
As much as I love this ending, and want this ending to be canonical, the dialog from the Easter Egg suggests that Adam's ending is considered the "true" ending in the eyes of the developers.
This one shall have to remain the true ending in our hearts. Our hyper-efficient, precisely engineered cybernetic hearts.
Dafeaz 5 months ago
I hope the next game addresses this ending as cannon.
Whompa02 5 months ago
I chose this one just because it seems the most linked to the Deus Ex series storyline. But, personally, I would have chosen Adam's ending (destroy the station).
NFSKing 5 months ago 5
I chose this one just because it seems the most linked to the Deus Ex series storyline. But, personally, I would have chosen Adam's ending (destroy the station).
NFSKing 5 months ago
"leading to the promise of a singularity..."
Helios! :D
*squee*
stevemcquark 5 months ago 2
One day, transhumans shall be everywhere, and purists will be weird and harmless like Amish people. But only if the fanatics in God name wont go to the war with genetically and technologically enhanced people. Then they will fall, and millions with them. Nobody cannot stop the future.
FalconRS 5 months ago 3
My only hope is that I can live long enough to see this vision of the future come true.
doxide 5 months ago 3
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anyone else think that fetus is paul denton(whom they cloned jc denton from in deus ex)?
JohnCLocafella 5 months ago
I chose this ending because I believe in this message and future 100%.
BenInkEntertainment 5 months ago 63
@BenInkEntertainment that future and the idea of becoming gods is messed up idea
ActiveStorage 3 months ago