I own a Tundra, and have to admit that this is pretty lame.... Toyota spent allot of money on this system for nothing.... They could have invested in a true locking diff and/or a LSD...
They should have also worked this with the front diff....
YEa sorry those of you dumbasses that call this a rice burner i love chevy always have always will but tundra is rigght there with them. my buddies 2007 tundra pulled out his dads flat bed wrecker in wet grass and mud. his has 420HP its a damn nice turck
Toyota is not the only auto manufacturer to re-name traction control. Some examples: Volkswagen/Audi call their traction control: "Electronic Differential Lock" (EDL). Porsche calls its traction control: "Automatic Brake Differential" (ABD).
Ford, Land Rover, GM, BMW, and others tend to call their traction control systems exactly what they are: "electronic traction control". No stylish or catchy names. Though BMW does call its system "Dynamic Traction Control" (DTC).
Just for the record, Auto limited-slip differential (Auto LSD) is a misleading trade name Toyota uses for electronic traction control. The Toyota Tundra’s rear differential is a "open" differential. ABS braking (traction control, a.k.a Auto LSD) is used to force the open differential to transfer torque from the slipping wheel to the non-slipping wheel.
The system is effective and works well, but, it is not a real limited-slip differential as its name might imply.
@211for11 ......Of course it is..... and Toyotas are not built with shotty,poor quality workmanship like the unionized UAW Big three companies!!! And if you want to know what unions are good for just look at what's happening in Madison,WI right now....LOL!
@211for11 you do realize half of "imports" are built in North America right? Tundras were designed by GST (Global Sales Toyota) and had nothing to do with the Japan part except provide the emblems for the truck. We build 3 Different Honda's and 3 Different Toyota's here in Ontario Canada alone.....thats more than you can say for some big 3 vehicles today....
@strumem90 .....How true! But trying to explain that to one of these hillbilly-redneck "buy American only" Big 3 onwers with a 5th grade education is like talking to a brick wall...LOL!
@mistaclipse .Congrats on your purchase! You won't regret buying the Yota.... it should give you years of reliable service and you won't be living or setting up shop in the dealer service department like the Big 3 onwers do...LOL!
the reason why they set it up with an open diff is so that you will retain some turning radius where when you have a locker it starts limiting your turning radius my tacoma has this same type of diff i just dont have a button for it, it just kicks in automatically cause i can brake torque it on dry ground and it will spin both tires but when i jack up the truck and rotate one of the tires the one on the opposite side will rotate the opposite direction.
I always new the Tundra was was not to easy on the eyes, but from this angle realize how truly ugly and disproportional this truck is. Get that thing a paper bag, then maybe I can look at it.
@mkbha523 Tundra is made in America, but 70 percent of the money made goes to Japan. While the chevy and ford trucks 70 percent stays in america stupid.
my 99 suburban that doesnt even have a traction control option could get off of those rollers, and it could do it without that cute lil ramp. tunda sucks.
Wow! Excellent differential, traction control and limited slip. I have never seen 4x4 car with all wheel spinning perfectly like that. Many 4x4 cars end up one wheel spinning like crazy when they are in mud or one wheel is in the air (due to poor limited slip). But Tundra does a very much better job than any other 4x4 trucks in getting all wheel spun to get out of the obstacles.
I remember this old man ... From the Canadian crew ... I did the prove it tour in 2007 all over the east coast with u ... ( the LA guys ) fuck Toyota I drive Beamers Bens or Chevys ...... Lol !!!
watch the richmond gear video about powertrax lockers. any limited slip system will do the same thing on their track. barely move, once you loose momentum your done if your pulling something. i just wish ford and dodge would have a 3/4 and 1 ton locker option like gm.
well rollars this tiny does not prove any thing if it roles just a little it has traction lol this is fake compare this to a gm truck with a locking rear it loses
@sasserdave especially when all the new toyota traction aids are open diffs. when the computer detects wheel slip, applies the brakes to that side of the axle, causing some power to be transferred to the other side. its gotten to the point that i don't look at posi's anymore if there isn't a locker option, i instead see how much it would be to get a hold of lockers for the rear. much better traction aid than any computer controlled system.
The last time a read....the Tundra was designed in the US, produced in the US, by American workers with a 90+% US produced parts content. There are many "American" vehicles that claim that. Ask the guy that works at the Texas plant building these whether he cares what emblem is on the front grille. Bottom line? The job puts food on his table. I support ANY and ALL companies that put Americans to work.
@AJstar9 The Tundra was not designed in Japan. The entire project, from design to production, was completely handled by Toyota's N. American operations. I assure you that my 15+ years in the Toyota Production System trump your hear-say. As for profits? The vast majority of net profits stay right here for product developement and reinvestment.
@firstmusic00 hey they just said at the hearing that thats why they was slow to the recalls that every thing has to go threw japan.that was said by the head of the us department.i guess he could be lieing its coming out they been doing that and coving up mistakes.and my my 20 at ford trumps your 15 .i done gone threw what you guys will with the firestone thing in 2000.sorry us ford worker make more then toyota workers.maybe they will give there workers a raise
@AJstar9 I'll be frank with you....you're posts are very difficult to follow. Puncutation and proper spelling are your friend. That said, guys like you are a-dime-a-dozen. You try to play on people's misconceptions and fears. The Tundra is just as, if not more American than many "American" trucks. Also, the UAW has made no head-way into Toyota facilities because the vast majority of workers DO NOT want a union...or at least want no part of the UAW. BTW, all companies are "in it for the money".
@firstmusic00 i just read about your tundra clams for a guy working there you was wrong or lieing about facts.it was design by n,american but japan over seen it .they had a few old ford designers and dodge guys.and they only have 65% american part not 95%.the majority of net profits go back to japan.ask the guy in texas You what kind of retirement your going to get after 30 years.dont buy this crap toyota is selling you that they care about anything but money.more recalls coming you will see!!
@firstmusic00 hey my company isnt having the recalls toyota has now.we uaw dont want toyota workers as members.ford and the uaw will beat them.im sure your workers dont want heath care or retirement like us,because your company got you thinking your not worth it.lol
@AJstar9 Oh yeah...that's right, Ford has never had a history of recalls. What about that pesky little fire problem that 1000's of Fords are still having with the cruise controls? That issue has been burning vehicles to the ground for years. There are countless others. As for the UAW not wanting Toyota workers? Please, they need money and do not care where it comes from. They've been knocking at the door of the plants in KY and IN since the begining and have been turned back over and over again.
@mkbha523 ford is building a plany in detroit to hire all f the unemployed since GM ruined them years ago, and ford sees a good opportuntity. all ford F series trucks are made at the Louisville truck plant and all Crown Vic cop cars are made in Canada. i'd rather see that than jap crap
last i checked...auto lsd, was just a glorified shitty form of traction control...it doesn't "send power to the wheel with more traction" It just brakes the spinning tire and reduces throttle input...BMWs AWD and acura SH-AWD) has an actual torque vectoring rear diff, that actually send power side to side...big fucking difference...
Sadly I'm not too key On Tundra Lsd deal and would like a real locker like Gm setup. I don't think Toyota has any real advanges on this whatsoever and hell I own one.
How can you call this an auto anything is you have to hit a switch. Not only that did he have to turn the truck off and back on for the LSD to activate...?? If so that's the last thing I want.
@JasWarLea you dont have to cut the truck off to do it, he just wanted to show it turns on automatically when you start your truck. I have a Tundra thats how i know.
The restart is not necessary however to activate the alsd there is a button on the dash you have to push. There basic traction control would be enough to get you off this but in more extreme situations the ALSD would be preferred. The reason its not always on and its a switch is because it is quite aggressive and is not suited for day to day street driving.
i perfer toyota over any other truck. and how the fuck can a truck be rice?? i thought rice cars would be little hondas with an obnoxious exhaust that makes them seem fast with 110 hp? this truck is no rice
@CUATSAM0207 - LMAO! Thats funny. The only thing that Tundra is gonna do is run away from you when the accelerator gets stuck. Oh, and you said longer lasting? NOT. Tundra has been recalled over and over again for its rusting frame and this garbage just came out! LMAO! You fail, hoe. You fail...
Poor fuckin attitude, the big american car makers are suffering as they can't seem to understand words like, economy and handling... GM is doing well aren't they? oh no wait, being bailed out by your government. What sad is that Japanese car makers dumb down excellent vehicles to make them "appeal" to the american market.. big displacement = "good" and big and heavy ="good" fuckin cavemen. Also LSD retard, there are different ways of making a mechanical device... I'm sure chev copied someone
@AJstar9 its called the media, they fool the american "sheeple" that dont care to find out the facts and believe what they hear on tv. Ford is NOWHERE NEAR Toyota in Profit or reliability. Toyota spends 15 to 20 TIMES what ford spends in Research and development. do some research and you will also find that the NHTSA is now saying in an INFORMAL statement that all vehicles they tested have been DRIVER ERROR.
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ALSO. TOYOTA FUCKING COPPIED OF CHEVY. THE LIMITED SLIP WAS CHEVROLET. They used to do tests showing how the toyota doesnt have this and the chevy does.
Toyota is junk. They copy off of our american 3 so fucking much its rediculous.
Anybody that buys toyota/honda/kia/hyndai/ etc...
You need to get some sence knocked into your head, and realize your american.
Right, American means freedom! So, what the hell, get a Toyota Tundra... It's made in USA, and it pays American workers, so I believe it's a fair trade, even though the profit made off of selling the truck is forwarded to Japan Toyota.
Toyota isn't junk, but it's not the greatest thing either. 381 horsepower and a flimsy bed=Wack towing experience.
But it rides good, the engine, those that aren't part of the sludge error, is pretty reliable, and it sounds good.
@ScorpioFuror it pays less to workers and if its free trade why cant we build plants in japan and are only allow to sell a set number there.and when japan had a cash for clucker in japan you could only buy a japan build car is that fair
@AJstar9 another UNINFORMED post, do you just babble hoping people will believe what your typing? The FACT is that Toyota employees CHOOSE not to let the UAW in because Toyota actually TAKES CARE of their employees. oh, and there was plenty of talk about cash for clunkers only being allowed in the US but that was thrown out because SO MANY TOYOTA MODELS ARE MORE AMERICAN BY PARTS CONTENT AND ASSEMBLY THAN THE SO CALLED "DOMESTICS" and Toyota just built a 500 million dollar R&D complex in Detroit
@jeffrhoads78 your a underpaid joke. toyota takes care of their workers.do the have 30 and out retirement.and heathcare like the uaw ford workers.NO.WHY CANT FORD BUILD A PLANT IN JAPAN?BECAUSE ITS NOT FREE TRADE BUT YOUR TO DUMD TO KNOW THAT.
@AJstar9 Hey everyone i give you ........ AJstar9 the smartest ford fanboy. You have ZERO FACTS behind ANYTHING YOU SAY, so here ya go. Here is a link with the FACT THAT F150 IS ONLY 55% US PARTS AND TUNDRA IS 80% AND ITS 2010 INFO FROM PICKUP TRUCKS.COM. I BET YOUR PROUD NOW HUH...............
I would rather drive my 300 dollor truck than that brand new tundra piece of shit any trash any day. And if you were a tru american you would to. p.s I paid 1500 for the. It Aint that much but it would still do more than that tundra. Guaranteed!!
Because you should be supporting your country.. we can keep this conversation going all day but your still going to come out wrong... Long story short.. you buy it half your cash goes to japan the other half pays the workers. BUT those workers would still be working for the big 3 if it wasnt for toyota and all the people that decided to save a few bucks and buy the cheaper import crap.
i dont care where a company is based. when they have Americans building their products, I am supporting the American workers by buying those products.also Toyota vehicles cost more but are more reliable.you get what you pay for.I dont know what you are talking about when you say cheap import unless you are talking about what you call American vehicles that are imported.
Maybe you should of supported the American workers that WERE building the American cars... Then you woud of been supporting america! Instead your supporting a tottally different country you ignorant prick! And yes toyota is junk except for there t100 from the 80s. But now they suck and same goes for Honda. GM, Ford, and Cryslers had a ton more american workers but because of people like you and this shit economy they no longer have there jobs. So go look in your driveway and tell me how much y
how much you really think that truck should be in this country and if you are really actually happy with your decision. and of course you are going to say your happy so you dont look like a fool on youtube but you know if it was right or not.. If you really do think its right then you might as well just go live in Japan and get the fuck out of this country which belongs to me and every other true american here. And when you leave make sure you take that stupid ass truck with you.. By bye faggot
Dude couldnt have said it better myself!! I would never buy a fucking jap truck/car. It pisses me off sooooooo bad when some jackass trys telling me there toyota is american. ITS NOT AMERICAN. ITS A FUCKING TOYOTA. I love when i see older people with the sticker that says "please dont put my flag on your foriegn car" haha.
I wanna get the one thats got the lil kid flicking you off and taking a piss on "rice burners" haha.
i am pretty opinionated lol. however there are lots of facts that people are unaware of and i just want the real story as the engineers tell it to be out there for everyone to read. so many manufactures twist the truth so much that its hard to tell whats real and whats not. and i hate to say it but so many folks make comments back and forth about who's better with no facts, just opinions to back it up lol. my opinions arent always right either but they are backed by print :) good talkin to ya:)
I was reading all of your comments and they seem to make sense. I have been researching and reading reviews on the Tundra and the results are good. At first, I thought that the C channel was just cheaper to build, but it was designed to be overloaded and maintain its shape. So, nice to see the facts matching what you are saying.
ford can say what they want, however the real facts in real life towing will prove that a box frame is simply not better, it just rides worse. oh and wikiwikiwildwest watch the headlines when the 2010 is released. the new 4.6 v8 is out. with 4.10 gear in the rear, 310hp. 327lb. ft. of torque and still can tow 8600 pounds and is 15 city and 20 hwy!!!!! ford and chevy build an xfe model that doesnt tow more than 5k to get that economy. LOL they are so so far behind in technology. thats my take :)
I appreciate the time and effort you took to provide your insight jeff. I knew the different features I guess I didn't fully understand all of the "why's".
So the whole point of buying a truck is not for it to work hard, but to have a smooth ride like a Cadillac?
The F150 can out-tow the Tundra, that is according to Toyota's figures as opposed to Ford's figures. And a fully boxed frame is not better for towing? Great job throwing logic out the window there. I suppose you'd think a unibody would be better "because it rides better". If you want good economy with towing capability, get a diesel.
@AJstar9 You know i have read a few of your posts here and you obviously are TOTALLY CLUELESS. 2 year old Toyota frames have not been recalled for one, to get this straight about where its built, 80% USA parts and 100% assembled here in the USA, designed in the USA. That is MORE, MUCH MORE in fact than the f150 by 15% of the parts and they are PRIMARILY assembled in CANADA AND MEXICO! so get your facts straight before you start MUMBLING in front of people who actually know the facts, you genius
@jeffrhoads78 your a nut job.the frames has been recalled .they have a lot of recalles .no f-150 is build in canada or mexico.they are all built in usa.they sale about 700.000 of them a year
@AJstar9 no the frames were NOT recalled you uneducated fool. The spare tire holder that is connected to the crossmember on the gen. 1 tundra for the years 2000 and 2001 were. its funny how you just sit on a you tube video for a toyota with all your hatred and talk smack as if you know something important. you see when FORD has a problem they ignore it and say its not a problem. thats why theres 15 MILLION ford's recalled for the cruise control that catches fire.
@AJstar9 go to pickup trucks.com and look up the article titled "fate of detroit pickups" since this site wont let me paste a link and you'll see your beloved FOREIGN F150 parts content is a WHOPPING 55%. LOL LOL LOL
with the leaf spring toe'd out or making the rear end trapazoidal, it eliminates the ability for a trailer to cause the truck to "SWAY". this allows the truck to give a much better ride quality while making it MUCH MUCH more stable while towing. the frame on the tundra actually costs toyota almost 3 TIMES as much money to build. they also in their testing found that people overload their trucks, the c channel will flex and return to it shape. a box frame will kink if its overloaded.
Actually, the Tundra still sways, horribly. The c frame may be better BUT toyota failed to make their's strong enough. I saw a tundra on the highway and the bed was bouncing. That's not quality. Whether you like it or not Toyota just doesn't have enough experience at truck building. Get your arrogant ass out the sky.
so if a box frame was so smart, why when they build their "HEAVY DUTY" trucks they build it like ours???? the reason is a half ton's frame isnt as thick so its not as heavy, bad fuel economy ect.ect. they use a box frame becaue in the rear of the truck the have an ear that hangs off the side of their frame rail to house the leaf spring shackle in the rear. this causes torsional, or twisting on the frame rail. our leaf spring sits under the frame rail and makes the leaf springs toe'd out. . . .
the center section of the frame is reinforced C channel. it is a Large c channel with a channel in the top and botton making it almost as rigid as a box but will allow just a little torsional movement for ride quality and in the rear an open C channel for compliance. the frame on the tundra is designed the same way the F-250 and bigger, the chevy 2500 and bigger and dodge cab and chassis 3500 and bigger frame is designed! except our reinforced center covers the whole underside of the cab. . . .
they want you to believe that a truck shouldn't flex! lol an SUV shouldnt flex or it will destroy the body. that is the whole reason a truck has a cab and bed separated. it allows there to be "compliance" meaning every single bump in the road doesnt shoot straight to your seat in the cab. ( this is why the tundra rides so nice) the "TRIPLE TECH FRAME" design puts technology where it is needed. box up front for the abuse from suspension, turning and torque from engine and safety among others. . .
ok, i was on vaca so i just got your question. this will take a bit to explain but here goes... toyota set out to build a truck that could do everything a "half ton" truck owner would want to do without sacrificing. the frame argument that ford makes is completely bogus. its ford's false advertising at its best. if you watch there wash board road scenario you will find that when it comes to the most important part (the tires being in contact with the road the tundra is better) . . . . .
i just want people to give the truck a chance because as far as half tons go the toyota tundra walks away with it.
in the past nobody but nobody gave the tundra a chance they just called it a gentlemans truck, i just want the facts to be known about the trucks. there are so many people that just automatically dismiss the tundra. the fact is that it will handle the weight its designed for much better than any of the other half tons.
i take great pride in studying these differences in these trucks. actually in all of the cars but more on the trucks than anything. i belong to a car club and we build hydraulic competition cars and i enjoy the fine details of engineering. although i am far from knowing all of it i really focus on the core items that separate them all. i just want everyone to
the first time you hit the button it turns off the trac, or stops limiting fuel and air to the engine and makes the ALSD aggressive. if you hit and hold it then it shuts off VSC as well. NOTE: check your owners manual because the 07 functions just slightly different from the 08, i dont want to tell you wrong but i know from my classes that its just a tad different than the 08 and the 2010 will be able to use VSC in 4x4 where we cant.
wikiwikiwildwest, i appreciate all the comments on here. i do however feel it my duty when i can to try to make people see why toyota has chosen their methods and why they work better for the application at hand.
to your post about the ALSD, if you just hit the trac button once, that is the most effictive aside from your 4x4. when you hit that button the yellow squiggly in your left cluster is on and ALSD lit up means its on not off. it just doesnt limit the fuel intake to the engine. :-)
Yes I understand how the ALSD is turned on, I have messed around with it numerous times and frankly the use of the brakes slowed my progress. Turning everything off proved to be the best 2WD option. Maybe my situations haven't been the best traction situation for the ALSD, I'll have to give it another few tries I suppose.
10. ACIS or acoustical controlled induction system. the truck basically has the old school velocity stacks under the hood. it decreases in size to increase velocity to promote more torque. it has a butterfly valve inside that will flip at high rpm to double the air volume so it will make more horsepower.
11. we have 2 FLUID TO FLUID heat exchangers on the 5.7 one for oil and one for the trans. we are the only company to use this technology on light duty trucks. helps heat the fluid then cool it
9.VVT-i. DUAL independent variable valve timing. that means depending on the amount of throttle, load on engine and speed CONTINIOUSLY VARIES how the engine times the intake cam and exhaust cam seperately of each other maximizing torque on takeoff or horsepower while puttin around. (also why we dont need to shut off cylinders to achieve the same fuel economy. the engine will even learn your driving habits to maximize your economy for how you drive!! I'll continue..........
6. VSC vehicle stability control. it is far superior to what the others offer because they dont start with the base system of 4 wheel idependent abs or EBD or BA.
7. TRAC. traction control which we talked about and also will use A-TRAC in 4x4 which is ALSD on the front as well.
8. 6 spd. automatic with SHIFT LOGIC. no more run aways down hill just tap the brake and it down shifts to hold your speed. TOW/HAUL changes the entire shifting schedule of the tranny.
I fully agree that the Tundra's powertrain is vastly superior to any of the competitions though. I guess I didn't consider that Technology when I made that statement. However, you are correct, that should 100% be considered superior technology on Toyota's part. I agree with you there no doubt. Also, as I earlier conceded you were correct on the brakes.
I enjoy being corrected by well informed posters like your self jeff. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my mistakes.
Here is how it has worked in my experience with the Tundra when in low traction situations where you are trying to climb a hill or become unstuck (one wheel has grip one doesn't):
Best = 4wd
2nd Option = 2wd all computer systems off (No VSC, no TRAC, no ALSD)
3rd Option = ALSD on VSC and TRAC off
4th Option = Default mode, VSC on
I have a 2007 so my nanny options are somewhat limited compared to the 2008 and up.
oh and there is also a locker in the FJ cruiser as well for off road use. it is the fact that those wear out and ALSD will only wear the brakes and diff wont give out when you need it most. it is more effective than a manual limited slip and we are the only company who offer this on the front axle as well so your not waisting power and you can still steer. I dont like to type this dang much is why i assume that i dont need to explain in this much detail but i guess i do.
Here is my take on the lockers compared to the ALSD.
1st off the ALSD does little to nothing to move a vehicle in low traction settings. I have put my truck in numerous muddy/icy situations to purposely test out the ALSD. In EVERY instance the truck performed better with it off. Personally I will never use the ALSD for anything because of this.
The locker won't be used unless you are doing serious offroading... and serious offroading requires a locker. It is WAY more effective than ALSD.
wiki i understand full well exactly how it works. you should check into the abs systems. the others do not include 4 channel INDEPENDENT abs brakes. there is a big difference. I am the truck champion at my toyota dealership and i am certain how it operates. oh and dont be deceived, the parts content is 80% american 10% japan and 10% elsewhere and is 100% assembled only here in the USA. check the stats, it is the most american on the road.
jeffrhoads. I will be the first to admit when I am mistaken on a post. I certainly was mistaken on the ABS brakes. I was under the impression that the competition had 4 channel ABS. That was wrong, as far as I can tell you are correct in that the Tundra is the only truck to offer that feature.
I still believe you are wrong on the most "American" truck. The vast majority of F150's and Silverado's are produced right here in American and use more domestic parts than the Tundra.
wikiwikiwildwest. thats a long name. lol i'm really glad that you have a tundra and love it. i too have an 08 crew max. I am also toyota MASTER certified and i am 100% certain that what i said is true and accurate. only my percentages which a said may be slightly off would be different. i am however very certain of how our system works, and was ford master certified and i build lowriders and know GM's product. don't doubt me just quiz me and i'll help you understand if your unsure.
Well Jeff, you said "the technology on the tundra embarrasses the competition." That is wrong. The Tundra's ALSD is nowhere near as capable as the lockers that Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Nissan offer as options on their 1/2 tons.
You said "The wheel senses slip and forces power to the wheel with more traction." That is also false, the computer senses a tire spinning faster than it should be and applies the brakes to that wheel, after that the open differential takes over.
Actually Toyota even supports my claims. Take a look at the Tacoma, the true off roading truck in the Toyota line. What do they offer in their TRD off road package? A locker... not an ALSD, but a locker.
Like I said, all the ALSD does is brake the wheel that is spinning faster than the rest. After that the open differential does what it does (provides TQ to the rear tire with the least resistance). There is no magical computer that transfers power between wheels, its just a typical diff.
Jeffrhoads, I'm sorry, but you seem to be VERY mistaken.
I own a Tundra and absolutely love it, there is no doubt about that. But your statements regarding the Tundra's ALSD are drastically overblown. It is in no way better than a locker or better than a mechanical LSD. The ALSD feature in the Tundra actually has very little use. In my brief experiences in the mud I have found it better to have the ALSD turned off. It is nearly worthless.
oh and if you have ever been off road you know you dont want a locker in the front if you need to steer. so this is the most effective way to tranfer power and not cause your customers to pay $700 bucks to replace a piece of sh-t locker that doesnt work after 60k. yeah real smart bro. the technology on the tundra embarrasses the competition and you may as well face it, oh and it's the MOST AMERICAN TRUCK ON THE ROAD NOW!! and i know this because i have worked for ford, chevy and toyota. D DUH
Lastly your comment on lockers is off as well. For serious offroading front and rear lockers are a must, that is a simply fact. However, none of these trucks offer front and rear lockers, so I don't even know why you brought that up. Furthermore the Tundra is not the most American truck on the road, I believe that distinction goes to the F150, it has the highest domestic parts % of any vehicle.
Wiki, you are correct, for serious off-roading you need lockers in both the front and rear, not just a limited slip differential mechanical or automatic.
Sorry to dig in like this, but one last mistake must be noted, you said "oh and it's the MOST AMERICAN TRUCK ON THE ROAD NOW!!"
That is 100% false. While Toyota has done an excellent job in making the Tundra more American than Toyota trucks of past it certainly is not the most American truck available. The F150 and Silverado both have higher domestic parts %'s than the Tundra. That is the universal judge of how "American" a vehicle is.
Please, reply to my posts, perhaps I enjoy discussing.
the best way to stop a wheel from spinning is the brake, right? so thats how auto LSD works. The wheel senses slip and forces power to the wheel with more traction. It's more efficient, it can transfer power to any wheel making it the only "true" "4-wheel drive" and lasts as long as your brakes. the reason why no one else uses it is because toyota is the only one with 4 WHEEL INDEPENDENT ABS BRAKES. the crap 3 chnl systems the others use can't achieve this because they dont have the technology
Your statement on "true" 4WD is also inaccurate. The Tundra is your typical 4WD system, just like the F150, Ram, Silverado, Titan.
I believe you statement on 4 wheel independent ABS brakes is also inaccurate. The Silverado, and F150 both have slip control systems that involve individually braking wheels to control slips.
Another error from you Jeff, you said "no one else uses it is because toyota is the only one with 4 WHEEL INDEPENDENT ABS BRAKES." Both Chevy and Ford have slip control systems extremely similar to that seen on the Tundra. The Chevy can individually apply the brakes to any tire it wants, as can the F150... it says so right on their websites.
Furthermore the Tundra has your typical 4wd system, very similar to any of the big three, they can all apply the brakes as well as was just proved.
ok, so i was hoping not to have to type all of this but since mr. brainless wonder has to say some ignorant crap i guess i will. so this will take a posting or 3. first of all, toyota will not build the typical locker, or limited slip rear end because its life expectancy is only 50 to 60k. they used some real expensive stuff on the FJ and Tacoma rear ends for lockers and prev gen. tundra. your normal limited slip transfers only about 30% power to the wheel with traction. Yota's transfers 40%
jeffrhoads, your %'s are quite incorrect on the distribution of power with LS's compared to the ALSD.
Your explanation of the ALSD is also somewhat inaccurate. The only thing this system does is apply the brake to a slipping wheel. Everything else is the same as a regular LS, their is nothing special about the Tundra's LS other than it uses the brakes to slow a spinning wheel.
ok this is simple. you all have it wrong so listen up. tundra has traction control that will cut power in its safe mode. then it will brake the wheel slipping to force power to the wheel with traction. 1 touch of the traction button on the dash turns of the the fuel limiting. the AUTO LSD is far superior because it applies power to the best traction wheel. its also the only truck that can send power to any wheel. oh and the big 3 are starting to use this system because its better. study up duh.
Just wondering there, jeffrhoads78, have you ever been off-road in anything but a pair of sneakers? In a maximum traction situation, a locker is always preferable to a limited slip. The only truck that can send power to any wheel? One early example I can think of is the ML350 back in 97. The big 3 starting to use this system because its better? No, because its CHEAPER!. Using existing engine management controls costs less than new hardware. You better study up indeed. Duh.
i like the locking diffs the best on the gm and chevy trucks plus with all the systems off the locker is still working. but this video is shit. y dont they put 1 wheel on a muddy or ice road and the other wheel on the normal road and lets see wat happpens.
do they still have the problem where if both wheels are on snow and you try to predict a spin and counter steer some the diff gets all confused and switches back and forth between wheel because there is a little less weight on one side so it sends it to that wheel taking it off the outer wheel and when the inner spins it goes back to the outer and makes the truck slide more? cause that is Perfect for those nice snowy winters when you comin home from work. Dumb fuckers.
What are you talking about Newks, the Tundra has had NO problems with it's traction control system. It is quite effective and very similar to the traction control systems seen on every other truck available (although it took the competition 2 more years than Toyota to release make it available).
The F150's traction control (2008 and earlier) was merely a throttle limiter, if it sensed loss of traction it simply cuts power. The Chevy's is quite similar to the Tundra's except it doesn't have the ALSD feature and the Ram (2008 and earlier) doesn't even offer traction control I don't believe.
Dude wat eva u dont know ur shit. Toyotas cuts power to the side that's slipping. Ford slows the side that is slipping to regain control and slows the side not slipping also. it doesnt completely cut power but just enough to keep going. plus this shitty vid is showing one tire off stable concrete. the ford vid shows wat happens when two wheels r off. Tundra failed that... and of course ford exceeded expectation
How is cutting power to both wheels (when only one wheel is slipping) better than cutting power to just the wheel that is slipping?
You are a fool!
Furthermore, what did Toyota fail? The Tundra has Variable Slip Control you fool, the F150 merely has traction control. The Tundra's traction system is vastly superior to the F150's, there is absolutely no debate about that!
yah this electronic auto limited slip does work better than i thought its gotten me out of the sugar sand down here quite a few times when i thought i was stuck , but its still no match for a real locker
I beat Tundras with my 2004 HEMI all day! this is the OLD HEMI too. Tundras are the MOST over ratted truck out there. FUCK TOYOTA!!! piss all over em....lol yeah cummins would eat toyota alive....Toyota needs to stick to cars.....their trucks always have the check engine light on....cause theyre not dependable
You can do the same with the parking brake....
I own a Tundra, and have to admit that this is pretty lame.... Toyota spent allot of money on this system for nothing.... They could have invested in a true locking diff and/or a LSD...
They should have also worked this with the front diff....
DawgBone 3 months ago
Tundra is garbage. Period.
HaRLeYDvDsN1215 4 months ago
YEa sorry those of you dumbasses that call this a rice burner i love chevy always have always will but tundra is rigght there with them. my buddies 2007 tundra pulled out his dads flat bed wrecker in wet grass and mud. his has 420HP its a damn nice turck
35RSkyline 5 months ago
limited slip aint shit in other conditions. G80 locker is were its at. (or the electronic locker if thats what people prefer these days)
TheUNCC23 6 months ago
Toyota is not the only auto manufacturer to re-name traction control. Some examples: Volkswagen/Audi call their traction control: "Electronic Differential Lock" (EDL). Porsche calls its traction control: "Automatic Brake Differential" (ABD).
Ford, Land Rover, GM, BMW, and others tend to call their traction control systems exactly what they are: "electronic traction control". No stylish or catchy names. Though BMW does call its system "Dynamic Traction Control" (DTC).
TorqueTransfer 10 months ago
Just for the record, Auto limited-slip differential (Auto LSD) is a misleading trade name Toyota uses for electronic traction control. The Toyota Tundra’s rear differential is a "open" differential. ABS braking (traction control, a.k.a Auto LSD) is used to force the open differential to transfer torque from the slipping wheel to the non-slipping wheel.
The system is effective and works well, but, it is not a real limited-slip differential as its name might imply.
TorqueTransfer 10 months ago
THAT SUCKS YOU HAVE TO TURN THE TRUCK OFF AND ON. WHAT THE FUCK, IT SHOULD ALLWAYS BE ON.
jortiz87gto1 10 months ago
TOOOOOyoooooTTAaaaa..Recall
211for11 11 months ago
Canadian okay not American
211for11 11 months ago
Toyota isnt American ,,,
211for11 11 months ago
@211for11 ......Of course it is..... and Toyotas are not built with shotty,poor quality workmanship like the unionized UAW Big three companies!!! And if you want to know what unions are good for just look at what's happening in Madison,WI right now....LOL!
MrKurt1962 11 months ago
211for11 your right that Toyota is not American company but it gives jobs to American people. Toyota sponsors sports and company in the USA.
blam7 1 year ago
211for11 Tundra is American truck. If it wasn't American truck in wouldn't be use in NASCAR and yes it gives American workers job.
blam7 1 year ago
@mkbha523 But yet Toyota plays corporate tax in Japan.... Humm and American companies pay tax in... you guessed it America! :)
abcdmercedes 1 year ago
TooooyooooTaaaaaaaaaaaa..aint American stupid
211for11 1 year ago
@211for11 I have a 2011 tundra and it was built in Toyota plant by Americans in San Antonio,TX.
mistaclipse 1 year ago
@mistaclipse TooooyooooTaaaaaaaaaaaa..aint American
211for11 1 year ago
@211for11 you do realize half of "imports" are built in North America right? Tundras were designed by GST (Global Sales Toyota) and had nothing to do with the Japan part except provide the emblems for the truck. We build 3 Different Honda's and 3 Different Toyota's here in Ontario Canada alone.....thats more than you can say for some big 3 vehicles today....
strumem90 11 months ago
@strumem90 .....How true! But trying to explain that to one of these hillbilly-redneck "buy American only" Big 3 onwers with a 5th grade education is like talking to a brick wall...LOL!
MrKurt1962 11 months ago
@MrKurt1962 pfft, a brick wall gives you better feedback LOL..... its like talking to thin air
strumem90 11 months ago
@mistaclipse .Congrats on your purchase! You won't regret buying the Yota.... it should give you years of reliable service and you won't be living or setting up shop in the dealer service department like the Big 3 onwers do...LOL!
MrKurt1962 11 months ago
@mkbha523 tundra is put together on America ...Its not an American a vehicular....clue Toyotaaaaaaaaaaaa!
211for11 1 year ago
the reason why they set it up with an open diff is so that you will retain some turning radius where when you have a locker it starts limiting your turning radius my tacoma has this same type of diff i just dont have a button for it, it just kicks in automatically cause i can brake torque it on dry ground and it will spin both tires but when i jack up the truck and rotate one of the tires the one on the opposite side will rotate the opposite direction.
TimQuerry 1 year ago
I always new the Tundra was was not to easy on the eyes, but from this angle realize how truly ugly and disproportional this truck is. Get that thing a paper bag, then maybe I can look at it.
Wiggi63 1 year ago
put it togather in America it aint american i dont care how u dream it up....Chevy Dodge Ford
211for11 1 year ago
@211for11 Yup! nothing but good old mexican trucks
zadryum 1 year ago
@zadryum LoL .
211for11 1 year ago
@mkbha523 Tundra is made in America, but 70 percent of the money made goes to Japan. While the chevy and ford trucks 70 percent stays in america stupid.
MrRedskins0021 1 year ago
@mkbha523 sorry but my truck was built with pride in dearborn, michigan.
Joemontana63 1 year ago
It fuckin died stupid ass Toyota
bigbubba357m 1 year ago
my 99 suburban that doesnt even have a traction control option could get off of those rollers, and it could do it without that cute lil ramp. tunda sucks.
nitroevaderbx 1 year ago
So it's still an open differential, but with some fancy autobraking added. I'll stick with my physical clutchpack thanks.
ahanix1988 1 year ago
Wow! Excellent differential, traction control and limited slip. I have never seen 4x4 car with all wheel spinning perfectly like that. Many 4x4 cars end up one wheel spinning like crazy when they are in mud or one wheel is in the air (due to poor limited slip). But Tundra does a very much better job than any other 4x4 trucks in getting all wheel spun to get out of the obstacles.
mrqoopify 1 year ago
I remember this old man ... From the Canadian crew ... I did the prove it tour in 2007 all over the east coast with u ... ( the LA guys ) fuck Toyota I drive Beamers Bens or Chevys ...... Lol !!!
MrMrsSencion 1 year ago
Still not as good as a locker.
sirhcskoorb 1 year ago
@mkbha523 ford trucks are still built in the lousiville assembly plant, along with my explorer, sport tracs and mountaineers too.
KingofComputing 1 year ago
watch the richmond gear video about powertrax lockers. any limited slip system will do the same thing on their track. barely move, once you loose momentum your done if your pulling something. i just wish ford and dodge would have a 3/4 and 1 ton locker option like gm.
zapityzapzap 1 year ago
@zapityzapzap Ford does
flynmid 1 year ago
@flynmid not back when I was buying.
zapityzapzap 1 year ago
well rollars this tiny does not prove any thing if it roles just a little it has traction lol this is fake compare this to a gm truck with a locking rear it loses
sasserdave 1 year ago
@sasserdave especially when all the new toyota traction aids are open diffs. when the computer detects wheel slip, applies the brakes to that side of the axle, causing some power to be transferred to the other side. its gotten to the point that i don't look at posi's anymore if there isn't a locker option, i instead see how much it would be to get a hold of lockers for the rear. much better traction aid than any computer controlled system.
zapityzapzap 1 year ago
@zapityzapzap lockers are so much better lol
sasserdave 1 year ago
@mkbha523 the profits go to japan and all ford trucks are made in usa.the tundra is underpowered rust bucket
AJstar9 1 year ago
me japanies me play trick me make truck that makes ford look sick
tilecuter 1 year ago
The last time a read....the Tundra was designed in the US, produced in the US, by American workers with a 90+% US produced parts content. There are many "American" vehicles that claim that. Ask the guy that works at the Texas plant building these whether he cares what emblem is on the front grille. Bottom line? The job puts food on his table. I support ANY and ALL companies that put Americans to work.
firstmusic00 1 year ago
@firstmusic00 the truck still sucks i wont blame the workers but it and all toyotas are designed in japan your wrong and profits go to japan
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 The Tundra was not designed in Japan. The entire project, from design to production, was completely handled by Toyota's N. American operations. I assure you that my 15+ years in the Toyota Production System trump your hear-say. As for profits? The vast majority of net profits stay right here for product developement and reinvestment.
firstmusic00 1 year ago
@firstmusic00 hey they just said at the hearing that thats why they was slow to the recalls that every thing has to go threw japan.that was said by the head of the us department.i guess he could be lieing its coming out they been doing that and coving up mistakes.and my my 20 at ford trumps your 15 .i done gone threw what you guys will with the firestone thing in 2000.sorry us ford worker make more then toyota workers.maybe they will give there workers a raise
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 I'll be frank with you....you're posts are very difficult to follow. Puncutation and proper spelling are your friend. That said, guys like you are a-dime-a-dozen. You try to play on people's misconceptions and fears. The Tundra is just as, if not more American than many "American" trucks. Also, the UAW has made no head-way into Toyota facilities because the vast majority of workers DO NOT want a union...or at least want no part of the UAW. BTW, all companies are "in it for the money".
firstmusic00 1 year ago
@firstmusic00 i just read about your tundra clams for a guy working there you was wrong or lieing about facts.it was design by n,american but japan over seen it .they had a few old ford designers and dodge guys.and they only have 65% american part not 95%.the majority of net profits go back to japan.ask the guy in texas You what kind of retirement your going to get after 30 years.dont buy this crap toyota is selling you that they care about anything but money.more recalls coming you will see!!
AJstar9 1 year ago
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@AJstar9 You need to educate yourself.
firstmusic00 1 year ago
@firstmusic00 hey my company isnt having the recalls toyota has now.we uaw dont want toyota workers as members.ford and the uaw will beat them.im sure your workers dont want heath care or retirement like us,because your company got you thinking your not worth it.lol
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 Oh yeah...that's right, Ford has never had a history of recalls. What about that pesky little fire problem that 1000's of Fords are still having with the cruise controls? That issue has been burning vehicles to the ground for years. There are countless others. As for the UAW not wanting Toyota workers? Please, they need money and do not care where it comes from. They've been knocking at the door of the plants in KY and IN since the begining and have been turned back over and over again.
firstmusic00 1 year ago
@mkbha523 ford is building a plany in detroit to hire all f the unemployed since GM ruined them years ago, and ford sees a good opportuntity. all ford F series trucks are made at the Louisville truck plant and all Crown Vic cop cars are made in Canada. i'd rather see that than jap crap
KingofComputing 1 year ago
@KingofComputing they build f-150 in kc,mo to.and the cop car is coming to chicago,ill.
AJstar9 1 year ago
this does no good on a hill or in mud your just stuck without a g80 locker
01ChevyZ71Fisherman 1 year ago
@01ChevyZ71Fisherman ha ha notice it has to go like a foot....try 10 with a Chevy or GMC
johnson200gw 1 year ago
last i checked...auto lsd, was just a glorified shitty form of traction control...it doesn't "send power to the wheel with more traction" It just brakes the spinning tire and reduces throttle input...BMWs AWD and acura SH-AWD) has an actual torque vectoring rear diff, that actually send power side to side...big fucking difference...
stifreak14 1 year ago
how is a limited slip diff different than a locking diff??
Dont they both accomplish the same thing
NorbPwn 1 year ago
Yeah Toyota rules
Choloness8o5 1 year ago 2
Sadly I'm not too key On Tundra Lsd deal and would like a real locker like Gm setup. I don't think Toyota has any real advanges on this whatsoever and hell I own one.
tundrav8georgia 2 years ago 2
thats a toyota owner i can respect.Check for rust on the frame........pull out your floormats...
johnson200gw 1 year ago
@johnson200gw - I know right!?!? LMAO! I just told him about his self...
caddyman07 1 year ago
How can you call this an auto anything is you have to hit a switch. Not only that did he have to turn the truck off and back on for the LSD to activate...?? If so that's the last thing I want.
JasWarLea 2 years ago
@JasWarLea you dont have to cut the truck off to do it, he just wanted to show it turns on automatically when you start your truck. I have a Tundra thats how i know.
Xlivealittleo7X 2 years ago 7
The restart is not necessary however to activate the alsd there is a button on the dash you have to push. There basic traction control would be enough to get you off this but in more extreme situations the ALSD would be preferred. The reason its not always on and its a switch is because it is quite aggressive and is not suited for day to day street driving.
Nickbusta29 2 years ago
i perfer toyota over any other truck. and how the fuck can a truck be rice?? i thought rice cars would be little hondas with an obnoxious exhaust that makes them seem fast with 110 hp? this truck is no rice
donpatch123456789 2 years ago 14
@donpatch123456789 they are rust buckets and toyota has been lieing and coving stuff up thinking the usa people was dumb
AJstar9 1 year ago
People that drive chevy or ford . U know damn well that Toyota is the best truck ever last longer and never loose the value hoe
CUATSAM0207 2 years ago 3
faggot
awh21 2 years ago
@CUATSAM0207 yeah maybe after it rusts out.
ShaneRo182 2 years ago
@CUATSAM0207 - LMAO! Thats funny. The only thing that Tundra is gonna do is run away from you when the accelerator gets stuck. Oh, and you said longer lasting? NOT. Tundra has been recalled over and over again for its rusting frame and this garbage just came out! LMAO! You fail, hoe. You fail...
caddyman07 1 year ago
@caddyman07 your kinda of an ass hole
MultiDouchebag 1 year ago
@MultiDouchebag Im sorry! I dont mean to be! ;D
caddyman07 1 year ago
@CUATSAM0207 the tundra blows...much like toyota
awh21 1 year ago
@CUATSAM0207 losing it now can you say recall lawsuits
AJstar9 1 year ago
Don't. Be jelouse toyota is the best
CUATSAM0207 2 years ago 2
hahaha who would be jelous of garbage,lol
chevyfan999 2 years ago
@chevyfan999 I dunno you seem to keep yours
Xlivealittleo7X 2 years ago
"Get a REAL American truck next time."
AlphaMax256 2 years ago 3
@AlphaMax256 My tundra was made in San Antonio TX do you know where yours was made?
Xlivealittleo7X 2 years ago
Moraine, Ohio.
AlphaMax256 2 years ago
well at least its not from mexico
Xlivealittleo7X 2 years ago
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pffff what a ricebag. Get a REAL American truck next time.
supagog 2 years ago
I think this is a Hilux, but ours appear to actually be good at 4WDing... you cant expect a dull RWD to cut it in snow
dblancer 2 years ago
Poor fuckin attitude, the big american car makers are suffering as they can't seem to understand words like, economy and handling... GM is doing well aren't they? oh no wait, being bailed out by your government. What sad is that Japanese car makers dumb down excellent vehicles to make them "appeal" to the american market.. big displacement = "good" and big and heavy ="good" fuckin cavemen. Also LSD retard, there are different ways of making a mechanical device... I'm sure chev copied someone
dblancer 2 years ago
@dblancer funny how things have changed ford is doing great and toyota got a lot of recalls and lawsuits
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 its called the media, they fool the american "sheeple" that dont care to find out the facts and believe what they hear on tv. Ford is NOWHERE NEAR Toyota in Profit or reliability. Toyota spends 15 to 20 TIMES what ford spends in Research and development. do some research and you will also find that the NHTSA is now saying in an INFORMAL statement that all vehicles they tested have been DRIVER ERROR.
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
@jeffrhoads78 it that why the frames rust and they are having so many more recalls.
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 go to pickup trucks.com american parts content
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
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ALSO. TOYOTA FUCKING COPPIED OF CHEVY. THE LIMITED SLIP WAS CHEVROLET. They used to do tests showing how the toyota doesnt have this and the chevy does.
Toyota is junk. They copy off of our american 3 so fucking much its rediculous.
Anybody that buys toyota/honda/kia/hyndai/ etc...
You need to get some sence knocked into your head, and realize your american.
Dustin91 2 years ago
Right, American means freedom! So, what the hell, get a Toyota Tundra... It's made in USA, and it pays American workers, so I believe it's a fair trade, even though the profit made off of selling the truck is forwarded to Japan Toyota.
Toyota isn't junk, but it's not the greatest thing either. 381 horsepower and a flimsy bed=Wack towing experience.
But it rides good, the engine, those that aren't part of the sludge error, is pretty reliable, and it sounds good.
ScorpioFuror 2 years ago
@ScorpioFuror recalled rust bucket they been cuting costs and covering mistakes up and lieing
AJstar9 1 year ago
@ScorpioFuror it pays less to workers and if its free trade why cant we build plants in japan and are only allow to sell a set number there.and when japan had a cash for clucker in japan you could only buy a japan build car is that fair
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 another UNINFORMED post, do you just babble hoping people will believe what your typing? The FACT is that Toyota employees CHOOSE not to let the UAW in because Toyota actually TAKES CARE of their employees. oh, and there was plenty of talk about cash for clunkers only being allowed in the US but that was thrown out because SO MANY TOYOTA MODELS ARE MORE AMERICAN BY PARTS CONTENT AND ASSEMBLY THAN THE SO CALLED "DOMESTICS" and Toyota just built a 500 million dollar R&D complex in Detroit
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
@jeffrhoads78 your a underpaid joke. toyota takes care of their workers.do the have 30 and out retirement.and heathcare like the uaw ford workers.NO.WHY CANT FORD BUILD A PLANT IN JAPAN?BECAUSE ITS NOT FREE TRADE BUT YOUR TO DUMD TO KNOW THAT.
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 Hey everyone i give you ........ AJstar9 the smartest ford fanboy. You have ZERO FACTS behind ANYTHING YOU SAY, so here ya go. Here is a link with the FACT THAT F150 IS ONLY 55% US PARTS AND TUNDRA IS 80% AND ITS 2010 INFO FROM PICKUP TRUCKS.COM. I BET YOUR PROUD NOW HUH...............
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
@AJstar9 Dude. Life isn't fair. Get over it.
ScorpioFuror 1 year ago
dude its snot only chevrolet who invented limited slip diff.... it was already accidentally invented on 1930's...
09204418448 2 years ago
how ignorant, did chevy invented the limited slip diff?
crisjoel 2 years ago 3
I would rather drive my 300 dollor truck than that brand new tundra piece of shit any trash any day. And if you were a tru american you would to. p.s I paid 1500 for the. It Aint that much but it would still do more than that tundra. Guaranteed!!
boobies1989 2 years ago
why am i not American when i buy a Toyota built in America.
blankmaninky 2 years ago
Because you should be supporting your country.. we can keep this conversation going all day but your still going to come out wrong... Long story short.. you buy it half your cash goes to japan the other half pays the workers. BUT those workers would still be working for the big 3 if it wasnt for toyota and all the people that decided to save a few bucks and buy the cheaper import crap.
boobies1989 2 years ago
i dont care where a company is based. when they have Americans building their products, I am supporting the American workers by buying those products.also Toyota vehicles cost more but are more reliable.you get what you pay for.I dont know what you are talking about when you say cheap import unless you are talking about what you call American vehicles that are imported.
blankmaninky 2 years ago
Maybe you should of supported the American workers that WERE building the American cars... Then you woud of been supporting america! Instead your supporting a tottally different country you ignorant prick! And yes toyota is junk except for there t100 from the 80s. But now they suck and same goes for Honda. GM, Ford, and Cryslers had a ton more american workers but because of people like you and this shit economy they no longer have there jobs. So go look in your driveway and tell me how much y
boobies1989 2 years ago
how much you really think that truck should be in this country and if you are really actually happy with your decision. and of course you are going to say your happy so you dont look like a fool on youtube but you know if it was right or not.. If you really do think its right then you might as well just go live in Japan and get the fuck out of this country which belongs to me and every other true american here. And when you leave make sure you take that stupid ass truck with you.. By bye faggot
boobies1989 2 years ago
Dude couldnt have said it better myself!! I would never buy a fucking jap truck/car. It pisses me off sooooooo bad when some jackass trys telling me there toyota is american. ITS NOT AMERICAN. ITS A FUCKING TOYOTA. I love when i see older people with the sticker that says "please dont put my flag on your foriegn car" haha.
I wanna get the one thats got the lil kid flicking you off and taking a piss on "rice burners" haha.
Dustin91 2 years ago
At 0:51 - 0:52, I thought the guy was gonna fall!
27riccioconroe 2 years ago
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Hahahaha what a piece of japanese Garbage,
boobies1989 2 years ago
i am pretty opinionated lol. however there are lots of facts that people are unaware of and i just want the real story as the engineers tell it to be out there for everyone to read. so many manufactures twist the truth so much that its hard to tell whats real and whats not. and i hate to say it but so many folks make comments back and forth about who's better with no facts, just opinions to back it up lol. my opinions arent always right either but they are backed by print :) good talkin to ya:)
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
I was reading all of your comments and they seem to make sense. I have been researching and reading reviews on the Tundra and the results are good. At first, I thought that the C channel was just cheaper to build, but it was designed to be overloaded and maintain its shape. So, nice to see the facts matching what you are saying.
notsofriendly 2 years ago
ford can say what they want, however the real facts in real life towing will prove that a box frame is simply not better, it just rides worse. oh and wikiwikiwildwest watch the headlines when the 2010 is released. the new 4.6 v8 is out. with 4.10 gear in the rear, 310hp. 327lb. ft. of torque and still can tow 8600 pounds and is 15 city and 20 hwy!!!!! ford and chevy build an xfe model that doesnt tow more than 5k to get that economy. LOL they are so so far behind in technology. thats my take :)
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
I appreciate the time and effort you took to provide your insight jeff. I knew the different features I guess I didn't fully understand all of the "why's".
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
So the whole point of buying a truck is not for it to work hard, but to have a smooth ride like a Cadillac?
The F150 can out-tow the Tundra, that is according to Toyota's figures as opposed to Ford's figures. And a fully boxed frame is not better for towing? Great job throwing logic out the window there. I suppose you'd think a unibody would be better "because it rides better". If you want good economy with towing capability, get a diesel.
You can keep your Toyota, I'd rather have a Ford.
quantummechanic90 2 years ago
i think that diesels have c channel frames
blankmaninky 2 years ago
@jeffrhoads78 ford frames dont rust out in 2 years toyota just had recalled for it
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 You know i have read a few of your posts here and you obviously are TOTALLY CLUELESS. 2 year old Toyota frames have not been recalled for one, to get this straight about where its built, 80% USA parts and 100% assembled here in the USA, designed in the USA. That is MORE, MUCH MORE in fact than the f150 by 15% of the parts and they are PRIMARILY assembled in CANADA AND MEXICO! so get your facts straight before you start MUMBLING in front of people who actually know the facts, you genius
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
@jeffrhoads78 your a nut job.the frames has been recalled .they have a lot of recalles .no f-150 is build in canada or mexico.they are all built in usa.they sale about 700.000 of them a year
AJstar9 1 year ago
@AJstar9 no the frames were NOT recalled you uneducated fool. The spare tire holder that is connected to the crossmember on the gen. 1 tundra for the years 2000 and 2001 were. its funny how you just sit on a you tube video for a toyota with all your hatred and talk smack as if you know something important. you see when FORD has a problem they ignore it and say its not a problem. thats why theres 15 MILLION ford's recalled for the cruise control that catches fire.
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
@AJstar9 go to pickup trucks.com and look up the article titled "fate of detroit pickups" since this site wont let me paste a link and you'll see your beloved FOREIGN F150 parts content is a WHOPPING 55%. LOL LOL LOL
jeffrhoads78 1 year ago
with the leaf spring toe'd out or making the rear end trapazoidal, it eliminates the ability for a trailer to cause the truck to "SWAY". this allows the truck to give a much better ride quality while making it MUCH MUCH more stable while towing. the frame on the tundra actually costs toyota almost 3 TIMES as much money to build. they also in their testing found that people overload their trucks, the c channel will flex and return to it shape. a box frame will kink if its overloaded.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Actually, the Tundra still sways, horribly. The c frame may be better BUT toyota failed to make their's strong enough. I saw a tundra on the highway and the bed was bouncing. That's not quality. Whether you like it or not Toyota just doesn't have enough experience at truck building. Get your arrogant ass out the sky.
34mxrider 2 years ago
so if a box frame was so smart, why when they build their "HEAVY DUTY" trucks they build it like ours???? the reason is a half ton's frame isnt as thick so its not as heavy, bad fuel economy ect.ect. they use a box frame becaue in the rear of the truck the have an ear that hangs off the side of their frame rail to house the leaf spring shackle in the rear. this causes torsional, or twisting on the frame rail. our leaf spring sits under the frame rail and makes the leaf springs toe'd out. . . .
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
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jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
the center section of the frame is reinforced C channel. it is a Large c channel with a channel in the top and botton making it almost as rigid as a box but will allow just a little torsional movement for ride quality and in the rear an open C channel for compliance. the frame on the tundra is designed the same way the F-250 and bigger, the chevy 2500 and bigger and dodge cab and chassis 3500 and bigger frame is designed! except our reinforced center covers the whole underside of the cab. . . .
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
they want you to believe that a truck shouldn't flex! lol an SUV shouldnt flex or it will destroy the body. that is the whole reason a truck has a cab and bed separated. it allows there to be "compliance" meaning every single bump in the road doesnt shoot straight to your seat in the cab. ( this is why the tundra rides so nice) the "TRIPLE TECH FRAME" design puts technology where it is needed. box up front for the abuse from suspension, turning and torque from engine and safety among others. . .
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
ok, i was on vaca so i just got your question. this will take a bit to explain but here goes... toyota set out to build a truck that could do everything a "half ton" truck owner would want to do without sacrificing. the frame argument that ford makes is completely bogus. its ford's false advertising at its best. if you watch there wash board road scenario you will find that when it comes to the most important part (the tires being in contact with the road the tundra is better) . . . . .
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
i just want people to give the truck a chance because as far as half tons go the toyota tundra walks away with it.
in the past nobody but nobody gave the tundra a chance they just called it a gentlemans truck, i just want the facts to be known about the trucks. there are so many people that just automatically dismiss the tundra. the fact is that it will handle the weight its designed for much better than any of the other half tons.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
What is your take on the "frame flex" arguments?
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
i take great pride in studying these differences in these trucks. actually in all of the cars but more on the trucks than anything. i belong to a car club and we build hydraulic competition cars and i enjoy the fine details of engineering. although i am far from knowing all of it i really focus on the core items that separate them all. i just want everyone to
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
the first time you hit the button it turns off the trac, or stops limiting fuel and air to the engine and makes the ALSD aggressive. if you hit and hold it then it shuts off VSC as well. NOTE: check your owners manual because the 07 functions just slightly different from the 08, i dont want to tell you wrong but i know from my classes that its just a tad different than the 08 and the 2010 will be able to use VSC in 4x4 where we cant.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
wikiwikiwildwest, i appreciate all the comments on here. i do however feel it my duty when i can to try to make people see why toyota has chosen their methods and why they work better for the application at hand.
to your post about the ALSD, if you just hit the trac button once, that is the most effictive aside from your 4x4. when you hit that button the yellow squiggly in your left cluster is on and ALSD lit up means its on not off. it just doesnt limit the fuel intake to the engine. :-)
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Yes I understand how the ALSD is turned on, I have messed around with it numerous times and frankly the use of the brakes slowed my progress. Turning everything off proved to be the best 2WD option. Maybe my situations haven't been the best traction situation for the ALSD, I'll have to give it another few tries I suppose.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
10. ACIS or acoustical controlled induction system. the truck basically has the old school velocity stacks under the hood. it decreases in size to increase velocity to promote more torque. it has a butterfly valve inside that will flip at high rpm to double the air volume so it will make more horsepower.
11. we have 2 FLUID TO FLUID heat exchangers on the 5.7 one for oil and one for the trans. we are the only company to use this technology on light duty trucks. helps heat the fluid then cool it
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
9.VVT-i. DUAL independent variable valve timing. that means depending on the amount of throttle, load on engine and speed CONTINIOUSLY VARIES how the engine times the intake cam and exhaust cam seperately of each other maximizing torque on takeoff or horsepower while puttin around. (also why we dont need to shut off cylinders to achieve the same fuel economy. the engine will even learn your driving habits to maximize your economy for how you drive!! I'll continue..........
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
6. VSC vehicle stability control. it is far superior to what the others offer because they dont start with the base system of 4 wheel idependent abs or EBD or BA.
7. TRAC. traction control which we talked about and also will use A-TRAC in 4x4 which is ALSD on the front as well.
8. 6 spd. automatic with SHIFT LOGIC. no more run aways down hill just tap the brake and it down shifts to hold your speed. TOW/HAUL changes the entire shifting schedule of the tranny.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
I fully agree that the Tundra's powertrain is vastly superior to any of the competitions though. I guess I didn't consider that Technology when I made that statement. However, you are correct, that should 100% be considered superior technology on Toyota's part. I agree with you there no doubt. Also, as I earlier conceded you were correct on the brakes.
I enjoy being corrected by well informed posters like your self jeff. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my mistakes.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
TECHNOLOGY
1. revised leaf spring rear end. trapazoidel to avoid ever having sway.
2. 4 piston fixed position calipers in the front with 13.9in. rotor frnt and 13.6 VENTED disc in the back with 2 piston floating calipers. BIGGEST
3. 4 channel independent abs
4. EBD electronic brakeforce distribution allows the truck to tell where the weight is to maximize brake potential (also helps VSC)
5. BA brake assist. if you make a panic stab and slip it will up the pressure to get you stopped
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Here is how it has worked in my experience with the Tundra when in low traction situations where you are trying to climb a hill or become unstuck (one wheel has grip one doesn't):
Best = 4wd
2nd Option = 2wd all computer systems off (No VSC, no TRAC, no ALSD)
3rd Option = ALSD on VSC and TRAC off
4th Option = Default mode, VSC on
I have a 2007 so my nanny options are somewhat limited compared to the 2008 and up.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
oh and there is also a locker in the FJ cruiser as well for off road use. it is the fact that those wear out and ALSD will only wear the brakes and diff wont give out when you need it most. it is more effective than a manual limited slip and we are the only company who offer this on the front axle as well so your not waisting power and you can still steer. I dont like to type this dang much is why i assume that i dont need to explain in this much detail but i guess i do.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Here is my take on the lockers compared to the ALSD.
1st off the ALSD does little to nothing to move a vehicle in low traction settings. I have put my truck in numerous muddy/icy situations to purposely test out the ALSD. In EVERY instance the truck performed better with it off. Personally I will never use the ALSD for anything because of this.
The locker won't be used unless you are doing serious offroading... and serious offroading requires a locker. It is WAY more effective than ALSD.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
wiki i understand full well exactly how it works. you should check into the abs systems. the others do not include 4 channel INDEPENDENT abs brakes. there is a big difference. I am the truck champion at my toyota dealership and i am certain how it operates. oh and dont be deceived, the parts content is 80% american 10% japan and 10% elsewhere and is 100% assembled only here in the USA. check the stats, it is the most american on the road.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
jeffrhoads. I will be the first to admit when I am mistaken on a post. I certainly was mistaken on the ABS brakes. I was under the impression that the competition had 4 channel ABS. That was wrong, as far as I can tell you are correct in that the Tundra is the only truck to offer that feature.
I still believe you are wrong on the most "American" truck. The vast majority of F150's and Silverado's are produced right here in American and use more domestic parts than the Tundra.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
wikiwikiwildwest. thats a long name. lol i'm really glad that you have a tundra and love it. i too have an 08 crew max. I am also toyota MASTER certified and i am 100% certain that what i said is true and accurate. only my percentages which a said may be slightly off would be different. i am however very certain of how our system works, and was ford master certified and i build lowriders and know GM's product. don't doubt me just quiz me and i'll help you understand if your unsure.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Well Jeff, you said "the technology on the tundra embarrasses the competition." That is wrong. The Tundra's ALSD is nowhere near as capable as the lockers that Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Nissan offer as options on their 1/2 tons.
You said "The wheel senses slip and forces power to the wheel with more traction." That is also false, the computer senses a tire spinning faster than it should be and applies the brakes to that wheel, after that the open differential takes over.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Actually Toyota even supports my claims. Take a look at the Tacoma, the true off roading truck in the Toyota line. What do they offer in their TRD off road package? A locker... not an ALSD, but a locker.
Like I said, all the ALSD does is brake the wheel that is spinning faster than the rest. After that the open differential does what it does (provides TQ to the rear tire with the least resistance). There is no magical computer that transfers power between wheels, its just a typical diff.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Jeffrhoads, I'm sorry, but you seem to be VERY mistaken.
I own a Tundra and absolutely love it, there is no doubt about that. But your statements regarding the Tundra's ALSD are drastically overblown. It is in no way better than a locker or better than a mechanical LSD. The ALSD feature in the Tundra actually has very little use. In my brief experiences in the mud I have found it better to have the ALSD turned off. It is nearly worthless.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
oh and if you have ever been off road you know you dont want a locker in the front if you need to steer. so this is the most effective way to tranfer power and not cause your customers to pay $700 bucks to replace a piece of sh-t locker that doesnt work after 60k. yeah real smart bro. the technology on the tundra embarrasses the competition and you may as well face it, oh and it's the MOST AMERICAN TRUCK ON THE ROAD NOW!! and i know this because i have worked for ford, chevy and toyota. D DUH
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Lastly your comment on lockers is off as well. For serious offroading front and rear lockers are a must, that is a simply fact. However, none of these trucks offer front and rear lockers, so I don't even know why you brought that up. Furthermore the Tundra is not the most American truck on the road, I believe that distinction goes to the F150, it has the highest domestic parts % of any vehicle.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Once again, I own a Tundra, and love it, but I call people out when they are wrong regardless of which side they are on.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Wiki, you are correct, for serious off-roading you need lockers in both the front and rear, not just a limited slip differential mechanical or automatic.
briang18 2 years ago
Sorry to dig in like this, but one last mistake must be noted, you said "oh and it's the MOST AMERICAN TRUCK ON THE ROAD NOW!!"
That is 100% false. While Toyota has done an excellent job in making the Tundra more American than Toyota trucks of past it certainly is not the most American truck available. The F150 and Silverado both have higher domestic parts %'s than the Tundra. That is the universal judge of how "American" a vehicle is.
Please, reply to my posts, perhaps I enjoy discussing.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
the best way to stop a wheel from spinning is the brake, right? so thats how auto LSD works. The wheel senses slip and forces power to the wheel with more traction. It's more efficient, it can transfer power to any wheel making it the only "true" "4-wheel drive" and lasts as long as your brakes. the reason why no one else uses it is because toyota is the only one with 4 WHEEL INDEPENDENT ABS BRAKES. the crap 3 chnl systems the others use can't achieve this because they dont have the technology
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Your statement on "true" 4WD is also inaccurate. The Tundra is your typical 4WD system, just like the F150, Ram, Silverado, Titan.
I believe you statement on 4 wheel independent ABS brakes is also inaccurate. The Silverado, and F150 both have slip control systems that involve individually braking wheels to control slips.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Another error from you Jeff, you said "no one else uses it is because toyota is the only one with 4 WHEEL INDEPENDENT ABS BRAKES." Both Chevy and Ford have slip control systems extremely similar to that seen on the Tundra. The Chevy can individually apply the brakes to any tire it wants, as can the F150... it says so right on their websites.
Furthermore the Tundra has your typical 4wd system, very similar to any of the big three, they can all apply the brakes as well as was just proved.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
ok, so i was hoping not to have to type all of this but since mr. brainless wonder has to say some ignorant crap i guess i will. so this will take a posting or 3. first of all, toyota will not build the typical locker, or limited slip rear end because its life expectancy is only 50 to 60k. they used some real expensive stuff on the FJ and Tacoma rear ends for lockers and prev gen. tundra. your normal limited slip transfers only about 30% power to the wheel with traction. Yota's transfers 40%
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
jeffrhoads, your %'s are quite incorrect on the distribution of power with LS's compared to the ALSD.
Your explanation of the ALSD is also somewhat inaccurate. The only thing this system does is apply the brake to a slipping wheel. Everything else is the same as a regular LS, their is nothing special about the Tundra's LS other than it uses the brakes to slow a spinning wheel.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
ok this is simple. you all have it wrong so listen up. tundra has traction control that will cut power in its safe mode. then it will brake the wheel slipping to force power to the wheel with traction. 1 touch of the traction button on the dash turns of the the fuel limiting. the AUTO LSD is far superior because it applies power to the best traction wheel. its also the only truck that can send power to any wheel. oh and the big 3 are starting to use this system because its better. study up duh.
jeffrhoads78 2 years ago
Just wondering there, jeffrhoads78, have you ever been off-road in anything but a pair of sneakers? In a maximum traction situation, a locker is always preferable to a limited slip. The only truck that can send power to any wheel? One early example I can think of is the ML350 back in 97. The big 3 starting to use this system because its better? No, because its CHEAPER!. Using existing engine management controls costs less than new hardware. You better study up indeed. Duh.
MaybeYouJustSuck 2 years ago
Put that truck on a bind and then see if they both turn
mblrw2 2 years ago
i like the locking diffs the best on the gm and chevy trucks plus with all the systems off the locker is still working. but this video is shit. y dont they put 1 wheel on a muddy or ice road and the other wheel on the normal road and lets see wat happpens.
terdfergasin 2 years ago
do they still have the problem where if both wheels are on snow and you try to predict a spin and counter steer some the diff gets all confused and switches back and forth between wheel because there is a little less weight on one side so it sends it to that wheel taking it off the outer wheel and when the inner spins it goes back to the outer and makes the truck slide more? cause that is Perfect for those nice snowy winters when you comin home from work. Dumb fuckers.
Newks666 2 years ago
What are you talking about Newks, the Tundra has had NO problems with it's traction control system. It is quite effective and very similar to the traction control systems seen on every other truck available (although it took the competition 2 more years than Toyota to release make it available).
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
i have LSD on my 89 mighty max spx 4x4 :)
supadupadennis 2 years ago
This One You Oughta Tow Away
sny600 3 years ago 3
uhmmm fords, chevy's and dodges traction control is much better!
justintrocks 3 years ago 6
justinrocks, how do you figure?
The F150's traction control (2008 and earlier) was merely a throttle limiter, if it sensed loss of traction it simply cuts power. The Chevy's is quite similar to the Tundra's except it doesn't have the ALSD feature and the Ram (2008 and earlier) doesn't even offer traction control I don't believe.
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
Dude wat eva u dont know ur shit. Toyotas cuts power to the side that's slipping. Ford slows the side that is slipping to regain control and slows the side not slipping also. it doesnt completely cut power but just enough to keep going. plus this shitty vid is showing one tire off stable concrete. the ford vid shows wat happens when two wheels r off. Tundra failed that... and of course ford exceeded expectation
justintrocks 2 years ago 3
justinrocks,
How is cutting power to both wheels (when only one wheel is slipping) better than cutting power to just the wheel that is slipping?
You are a fool!
Furthermore, what did Toyota fail? The Tundra has Variable Slip Control you fool, the F150 merely has traction control. The Tundra's traction system is vastly superior to the F150's, there is absolutely no debate about that!
wikiwikiwildwest 2 years ago
yah this electronic auto limited slip does work better than i thought its gotten me out of the sugar sand down here quite a few times when i thought i was stuck , but its still no match for a real locker
tundradave24 3 years ago
Will Turn It On Then,
Stop Driving With Everything Off...
expertpkedu 3 years ago
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I beat Tundras with my 2004 HEMI all day! this is the OLD HEMI too. Tundras are the MOST over ratted truck out there. FUCK TOYOTA!!! piss all over em....lol yeah cummins would eat toyota alive....Toyota needs to stick to cars.....their trucks always have the check engine light on....cause theyre not dependable
MPLSTORM 3 years ago