This post is for the late United States made Muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s NOT THE NEW GENERATION CARS OF TODAY!! This is not a forum for foreign vehicles at all or saying your 4 cylinder with NOS can do the 1/4 mile in 9.0 sec. You probably weren't born and your vehicle wasn't even thought of during this time in US Auto history. This is an aspirated Power / vehicle weight / class discussion.
This GTX was a complete Mopar drag pack prepped car. From the engine (426 cu. in) static compression est. 13.5, special torque converter, transmission, rear end etc. The 2x4 barrel carburetor setup was tricked out. All these parts were special heavy duty. Not every Chrysler / Dodge / Plymouth owner could get their hands on these parts easily.
There is more to reaching the 11 second (1/4) mile than just placing slicks on a car. If the car runs a low 12 sec w/o slicks then it is possible.
Finally, it is also true that in 1967 the Plymouth Belvedere GTX Hemi powered vehicle did win the 1966 Spring Nationals, Winter Nationals, Summer Nationals, and World Championship in Top Stock Eliminator Class. How I know, I have the Popular Hot Rodding Magazine -August 1967 to prove it. Like I said earlier, this is no regular or even slightly driven street vehicle. The vehicle was named "King Kong" They don't call it King Kong for nothing. I am a GM man myself. The GTX is in the history book.
Vehicle weight, Horsepower, gearing, traction (slicks vs street tires) and distance travel (1/4) mile. To get a vehicle to travel the (1/4) mile in 11 seconds has to be extremely light, aerodynamic, gearing, but most of all high horsepower & high torque. NHRA pure stock class requires full chassis. To point out an important fact of power to weight-- Chrysler engines (426) and (440) are one of the heaviest engines to race so HP has to be extremely high to get into the 11 second category.
To settle this argument, first one has to ask whether these track e.t. times were done at sanction NHRA or IHRA tracks. Back during this time in the late 60s and early 70s before NHRA standardized its rules for 1/4 mile drag strips there was considerable error in elapsed times from track to track.
To take a production vehicle from the high to mid 13s to the the outer edges of the 11 second bracket is really hard to imagine. Here one must truly define what class & vehicle weight is to be tested
Vettes pretty much out launch everything in the stock classes. Huge engine setback compared to other cars and light weight. With a strong motor like the L88/L89 they are a hard car to catch.
However, the chevy guys were always afraid of the 440 6packs, and shit their pants when a Max wedge rolled in. They knew the hemis were soft out of the hole, but would catch you on the top end, so they always kept the race short and would take them. And this included the 427 nova, and 454 chevelles.
I'm 67 and had them all. My 69 hemi road runner blew off anything that was on the road. 4.10 GEARS AND NEW PLUGS EVERY OTHER DAY. My dad had a recap tire shop in NY and made a special soft compound cheater slick with 2 groves in the tire that was allowed on the road in NY at time 1960s TURNED MID 12S TO LOW 13 TEENS.
The manufacturer's official 1/4 mile time for the Hemi 'Cuda was given as 14.2 seconds at 102.5 mph. Strictly showroom stock it would be in the 14.0 second range.
A stock Hemi 'Cuda with sticky tires was nowhere near the 11s "back in the day." The best they did off the showroom floor was mid-high 13s at 105-107 mph. On a sticky tire that would drop to the low-13s high-12s @ 107-108. That is with a *properly* tuned 426. They were never in the 11s on a sticky tire bone stock. The two cars featured in this vid are FAST class racers, with BIG cube engines, high compression (11.5:1+) and roller cams. The suspensions are also *very* loose to hook on bias plys.
@nuclearsharkattack I assure you that these cars are racing in the Factory Stock class, and meet the rules of the Pure Stock Drags. Both cars have competed at our event.
the cars are no more than .070 over and stock stroke, not BIG cubes......
@PureStockDrags That 'Cuda trapped almost 118 mph --- I seriously hope you're not going to try to pass that off as a stock Hemi. Especially with that FAST logo at the end of the vid. BTW -- is that Bob K.'s '70 Hemi 'Cuda? If it is, I don't ever recall it being that fast back in the early years of the PSD.
@nuclearsharkattack Yeas, it is Bob K's and yes it is Stock according to our rules.
There is a Factory Stock division at the FAST races that many Pure Stockers run in. The Cuda also ran at the PSMCDR this September. All cars on this channel are Stock, not F.A.S.T. but we thank them for giving us a great venue like US131 to run at.
@PureStockDrags Those are very impressive cars. I will say the owners deserve kudos for not having them sitting in a garage gathering dust, but instead out on the track running the wheels off.
@nuclearsharkattack Really? My grandfather had a 440 coronet back in the 70's and he got 11's out of it at 110+ mph with a pair of slicks, excuse me, *stock* with a pair of slicks. Of course he bought it with a short rear gear, but still, he ran 11's as it was off the lot + slicks
@SirKowalski666 That's a high-13 second car at best on slicks off the showroom floor, regardless of rear gear. You can toss out any # you like, but the facts are the facts.
@nuclearsharkattack I'm sorry but it wasted over two seconds spinning on stock rubber, those dinky-ass tires couldn't put the torque down for shit. You'd be amazed what a pair of hoosiers will do in terms of E/T, when you put slicks behind the 440's and hemis, alot of the time they'd see 11's, that's stock everything except for the tire/rim swap. You can toss out any # that these cars were supposed to run (and rear gearing makes a huge difference btw) but the car ran 11.9's stock + slicks
@SirKowalski666 I was there back in the 70s and none of these cars were 11-second cars bone-stock. You talk like some 16 year old kid getting 2nd hand info from the internet. Rear gearing makes *some* difference, not a huge difference. A 4.88 gear won't take a 13-second Hemi with 4.10s from a 13.8 to an 11.9 -- all it will do is wind the engine up sooner. After the 1/8th mile the engine would start losing steam due to being wound out of the powerband. Your info is sorely lacking.
@SirKowalski666 Also, slicks might take into the bottom 13s, or *maybe* a high-12 on a day with very low DA, that is a FAR cry from "11s bone stock." If you had any experience racing on a 1/4 mile track you'd know that.
@nuclearsharkattack There's plenty of stories where people took stock hemi and 440 cars into the 11's with JUST a pair of slicks, so lose the attitude, there are thousands of people who drove such cars and got similar E.T.'s, my old mans dad being one of them. With slicks, even the 383's could get 12's, for someone claiming to have been there, I really don't think you know how much of a difference traction made back then, and not only that, but you're kind of an asshole.
@SirKowalski666 The problem here is you lack 1st hand information. You really do not know what you're talking about, and it shows. Quoting "stories" for others is just that -- storytelling. You sure must be gullible to believe everything you're told. Regardless of slicks, these cars NEVER ran in the 11s "off the showrrom floor." Even the biased magazines of the day never showed these cars running that quick in stock form on cheater slicks. Insults just show how little you know.
@nuclearsharkattack Did I ever say they ran 11's "off the showroom floor"? No, I didn't, I said a hemi or 440 could get 11's with slicks (full slicks). Yes i've heard alot of stories but i've also watched my grandfathers old footage of his Coronets 11 second passes, hell my '73 Fury hardtop coupe (400) ran 12.8's (me driving) at around 107 mph give or take, with a torqueflite and street slicks, the engine had only been rebuilt once at the time of those passes, so with all due respect, fuck you.
@SirKowalski666 And BTW --- a friend of mine bought a brand new Coronet R/T in 1968 with the 440 Magnum when he was in the Air Force in Texas. He still owns this car today, and has ran it many times over the years at the track. It is still stock and the best it ever ran regardless of traction was in the mid-high 13 range with av. gas in the tank. That is light-years from an "11 second" ET. Get some actual experience drag racing, then come back and have an intelligent discussion.
@nuclearsharkattack Oh and BTW, you could order a stripped-down mopar that would run EASY 11's - high 10's back in the late 60's if you knew who to talk to, you had to sign a waiver though saying that the vehicle didn't comply with federal vehicle safety regulations, but as for full-weight off-the-lot street cars, I know for a fact that you could get 11's with a stock hemi/440 + hoosiers.
@SirKowalski666 The car you are referring to is the 1968 Hemi Dart, which was not DOT legal and none of these cars are legal for the street. yes, those were lightweight RACE-ONLY cars, that did run in the 10s, and eventually much quicker in Super Stock. They dominate the record books to this day. That is NOT what we are talking about here. Even a 1969 A12 Super Bee or RR WITH slicks was NOT an 11-second car stock.
@SirKowalski666 Ronnie Sox -- in the Mopar ads in 1969 -- ran the quickest times ever back then on slicks with an A12 car, and he was SOLIDLY in the high-12s back then. Are you talking about stock cars, or modified cars, because you keep switching your stories around. Talk about one or the other. Modified cars could run as quick as your budget allowed. in any case this discussion is going around in circles -- so with all "due respect to you" -- kiss my ass.
@nuclearsharkattack Jesus christ dude, my grandfather owned a 440 coronet with hardly any options to save weight, in fact the only option I remember him mentioning was a short rear gear, it was an automatic, and it ran 11.9's with slicks and NO other modifications, stock cam, stock heads, stock bore, stock stroke, stock everything, what's so hard to understand about that? Dumbass.
@SirKowalski666 What's so hard to understand about that? Because it's BULLSHIT. That's why. Regardless of how few options, no options, dump truck rear gear etc. That car is NOT an 11-second car on slicks in stock form. Unless of course it fell off a cliff.
@nuclearsharkattack I've seen the vhs tapes myself, barely 11's but it did go 11's. If these cars ran 13's stock while spinning the tires for multiple seconds, what makes you think they didn't go 11's with race slicks? They're not wasting any time on launch with slicks, and trust me, that old beast launched hard as fuck. I know what I saw dude, so fuck off, think whatever you want, the motherfucker went 11's. End of story.
@SirKowalski666 13s WOULD have been *with* traction -- spinning would be in the 15s, as an example. Throwing on a set of slicks does not turn a 13 or 14 second stock car into an 11-second bullett. Your perceptions of how things actually work on the 1/4 mile track are wrong to say the least, but this "discussion" has run it's course. It's very clear you don't have a frigging clue what you're talking about. Go back to beating off in the can with a Sears catalogue. Loser.
@nuclearsharkattack His coronet ran 13.3 on stock rubber, wasting quite a bit of time, that was the first tape I saw of the car. The next weekend and ran 12.4 on the first try with slicks, they had far too much air in them so the car didn't hook to its potential. He let most of the air out n ran 12.0 on the third pass the car had ever made. He was out of gear through the traps though running over 6,500 rpm, I will admit. On those tapes was a stock '69 hemi dart w/ slicks running 11.7's btw...
the difference is that the corvette has disk brakes, and an Independent rear suspension, and is light(er) so it can do more than just go in a straight line!
I just glanced at the last two comments (snickers) Hemi's are still in production after market wise PLUS hold all the current top drag records in their class + that Cor-crap weighs about the same as the Cuda...
them motors had more horse they only rated it that for insurance,the l88 and hemi were actually both rated at 550 the hemi still had more torque due to the head design the only reason the Corvette won is because its all fiberglass and the cuda is still heavy steel
@bigblockhitchcock the vette weighs 3091 because of the 427 a standard is 2900 and the cuda weighs over 4000 and a standard is 3650 i know this cuz im at a auto tech for a mechanic and auto body and we just got done working a a 1970 corvette 454 that.weighed 3091 the vette was a light weight performance fiberglass car its the second lightest muscle car in the late and mid 60s the 1st lightest is the cobra at a weight of 2315 pounds with the 427,even the old aluminum clip front cars weighed more
@JoeysFunFarm Not saying your wrong, but I would have gto say it to believe it. My 73 weighed 3300 empty with a small block. And it was a factory AC car with the AC system missing. Also the spare tire cover and that whole assembley was also missing. And thats not the weight on the title. Thats the car sitting on scales, with no driver.
@JoeysFunFarm With me in my car with the small block in it it was 3550. I will post a picture to you with it on the scales with with the big block in it if you would like. They are much heavier than your statement above.
@bigblockhitchcock read purestocksdrags comment on mine u might be right on the 73 cause thats a standard vette but purestockdrags even said the vette only weighed 3429 and the cuda weighed 3750 but the racing vettes with no ac or p steering weighed 3091 with aluminum under parts and the cuda can range from 3400 to 4000 depending on trans rear end and engine and if its got ac and power steering if the cuda has a 8 3/4 rear with a833 with hemi it weighs at 4000 with out ac.i think were both right
Pick a favorite car, pick a favorite driver, watch and enjoy. Stop being so literal about the results. Just like at the old street races, there were surprises.
@Vaicurious *ahem* The 426 hemi can be purchased today, aftermarket. There's a reason hemis are used for top fuel and are also the fastest super stockers. Funny thing, they were rated at 425 horse, but that rating was at around 4,500 rpm, the peak power was most likely around 6,000 rpm. Think about it: A stock late model gt500 is capable of a 12.0 E/T, that's with 550 hp supercharged. A 426 hemi with sticky tires, on the other hand, would go 11's back in the day, without forced induction or n2o.
@SOFSoldier1 Not fiction, take your car to the engine dyno, then take it to the chassis dyno. You'll see what I mean. My own 750 hp motor loses over 200 through the drive train. PArtly because of teh trans (TH 400) which is heavy, the 6000 stall converter, and the big slicks out back.
Dodge/Plymouth/Mopar has consistently "under-rated" the horsepower of their cars. Even today, Dodge has done the same thing with the 392 Hemi Challenger, factory rated at "470 HP"...the certificate of origin from Chrysler on my 2011 392 rates it at "491HP"
@TheMikeMeadows You had better go back and look at some dyno sheets. Actual test data. Not factory advertised power. Because Chevy, Ford, and Dodge all grossly under rated their power numbers. And they all still do. It is a fact that the chevy L-88, 427 (with headers) will twist a dyno to 580 hp. Not an exageration. This is fact. Hell, the 396 cubic inch L-78 (i think) made near 450. The 426 hemi rated at what 425 -430 hp, was also aproaching the 600 mark.
@TheMikeMeadows Besides, horse power and dyno sheets are just for dick measuring. My own 750 hp 496 has been out run by less power, and has out ran more power. Many many other things are a factor at producing et. Even in bone stock muscle cars.
@curtknows101 . This is not fake i can asure you. I race in this class. L/88 Vettes and 69 427 Camaros are king. This particular Hemi Cuda is the fastest mopar at the event. It does very well. But it does not dominate. Its usually in the top 5 or 6.
@acemaster1001 What's the story with this cuda, anyway? Is it all stock, or rebuilt but with stock heads/cam/intake, or does it have an aftermarket carb/manifold or what? It's still faster than all of today's stock muscle cars, which is cool to see.
@DeAdiSSu3 . I cant tell you exactly. Its stock carbs and manifolds for sure. His Cam passed tech. And the rules in this classs allow 1.5 points over stock rated compression ratio. So he should be somewhere around 12:1 . The driver is a great racer. And he knows how to tune his car.
@richjd630 Check out this guys other videos, there's a '69 hurst olds vs. a '69 charger 500, hemi wins. There's also a 440 vs. hurst olds (maybe same car) and the 440 wins. There's also a 440 1970 road runner beating a chevelle 454, and a challenger 340 manual barely losing to a 455 automatic...it seems like the majority of the time, mopar wins stock vs. stock. Even that 340 vs. 455, the 340 was faster through the traps. Mopar had better valvetrains, ignitions and suspensions back then anyway.
These races mean very little. The cars are supposedly stock but there are a lot of small tweaks that can be and are made to get these cars running quicker...Many others are NOT running as well as they should/could. I don't take much stock in these vids as a direct comparison between brands.
@TechMaven I don't take these vids as a comparison between brands either, I said mopar had better valvetrains, suspensions and ignitions back then (the era in which these cars were built - 60's and early 70's). With heavier cars and less displacement, mopar still wins most of the time today though, it must be said.
@moparXdarren Dont be fooled into thinking that because these corvettes have fiberglass bodies they are light. Mine with a stock small block weighs in at 3480, without my 250 ass in it. A stock small block chevy is about 45 pounds lighter that a big block, and thats a bare block. Its possible that Corvette with a driver is 3700 pounds. if he is a 200+ guy. Not all that different than the Cuda.
Off the showroom an L88 on street tires would run 14.0’s 106+, hampered by an auto transmission w/ tight converter, 3.36 axle ratio and restrictive exhaust. Showroom fresh a Hemi ‘Cuda would typically run 13.8-14.0 at 105. Hemi’s excelled in Super Stock as the rules allowed for modifications enabling engine do what it was designed to do. As a dual purpose engine were retaining streetability was a concern a Hemi could easily fall victim to Buick's 455 Stage 1, 440 Magnum, W-30 etc.
@DONDIVA1969 yea your right, a hemi is good, but a 440, 454, 455 would own it, in my opinion i like the 383 wedge more then the hemi anyways. them 383 big blocks was some mean motors back in the day.
@acres90 Actually look at the beginning it says PURE STOCK muscle car.Considering the Corvette weighs 400lbs less its a good race.GM stopped competing in all racing in about 63 (GM order).At the time Mopar was already dominating drag racing with cars like the Max Wedges and the factory light weights were sold to the public not just the racers. RamCharger team, Don Garlits, Sox & Martin, so many more eventually spreading to NASCAR. Just because you are brand loyal doesnt change history or facts.
@Boredout454 Not on the street it didn't. And don't even tell me that it did. I was there on the street racing in the 60s and 70s. The street Hemi was so dtuned that it got beat all the time. The 440 would run over the top of it. The 427 chevy was the king on the street.
@kennethrobinson11231 Maybe in the area you were but not in the rest of the USA. Yes of course the 426 Hemi was detuned so was the 427 for street use over the racing versions. It also depended on what the car came with such as gearing etc. So we can go back and fourth at who beat each other on the street. Or we can see who beat each other at the strip and since there is documentation on that subject the 426 Hemi, 440 Sixpack, 396 Hemi, 413/426 Max Wedges win out.
@kennethrobinson11231 I don't know where you're from. You have a lot to learn. I ran against them in the 60s, And I can tell you fight now That a street hemi would not beat a 427/425 chevy. I have beat them with a 396, and I've got a pic. of me beating one with a Pontiac GTO They were 13:50 cars at best. With a small amount of work they would run damn good, but not off the show room floor. How old are anyway. Were you there, NO YOU Weren't This is the way it was, not the way you want it to be.
@kennethrobinson11231 Wrong! Back in the day the fastest pure stock muscle cars were a 1970 LS6 Chevelle and a 1970 Hemi Challenger. Either one could run 13.1 right off the show room floor if the driver knew what he was doing. (Actualy the 1969 ZL1 Corvettes were faster but there were only two of them everbuilt) The 427s were not slouches but the LS6 and the Hemi were the ones to beat.
Dont Bother ill take my 400 or 455 Pontiac anyday over any Mopar or Chevy..
JBADOLIAN1 1 month ago
This post is for the late United States made Muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s NOT THE NEW GENERATION CARS OF TODAY!! This is not a forum for foreign vehicles at all or saying your 4 cylinder with NOS can do the 1/4 mile in 9.0 sec. You probably weren't born and your vehicle wasn't even thought of during this time in US Auto history. This is an aspirated Power / vehicle weight / class discussion.
GS455Stage1 1 month ago
This GTX was a complete Mopar drag pack prepped car. From the engine (426 cu. in) static compression est. 13.5, special torque converter, transmission, rear end etc. The 2x4 barrel carburetor setup was tricked out. All these parts were special heavy duty. Not every Chrysler / Dodge / Plymouth owner could get their hands on these parts easily.
There is more to reaching the 11 second (1/4) mile than just placing slicks on a car. If the car runs a low 12 sec w/o slicks then it is possible.
GS455Stage1 1 month ago
Finally, it is also true that in 1967 the Plymouth Belvedere GTX Hemi powered vehicle did win the 1966 Spring Nationals, Winter Nationals, Summer Nationals, and World Championship in Top Stock Eliminator Class. How I know, I have the Popular Hot Rodding Magazine -August 1967 to prove it. Like I said earlier, this is no regular or even slightly driven street vehicle. The vehicle was named "King Kong" They don't call it King Kong for nothing. I am a GM man myself. The GTX is in the history book.
GS455Stage1 1 month ago
Vehicle weight, Horsepower, gearing, traction (slicks vs street tires) and distance travel (1/4) mile. To get a vehicle to travel the (1/4) mile in 11 seconds has to be extremely light, aerodynamic, gearing, but most of all high horsepower & high torque. NHRA pure stock class requires full chassis. To point out an important fact of power to weight-- Chrysler engines (426) and (440) are one of the heaviest engines to race so HP has to be extremely high to get into the 11 second category.
GS455Stage1 1 month ago
To settle this argument, first one has to ask whether these track e.t. times were done at sanction NHRA or IHRA tracks. Back during this time in the late 60s and early 70s before NHRA standardized its rules for 1/4 mile drag strips there was considerable error in elapsed times from track to track.
To take a production vehicle from the high to mid 13s to the the outer edges of the 11 second bracket is really hard to imagine. Here one must truly define what class & vehicle weight is to be tested
GS455Stage1 1 month ago
Factory stock BB Chevy or Chry.Hemi,Can Loose on any given day.
5BobbyDavis 1 month ago
neither of these cars ran this fast "off the floor"-both were low to mid 13 cars. "Purestock" is apparently a broad term.
SOFSoldier1 1 month ago
*which is the better powerplant..
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
Vette won! as far as I seen, he was slower.End of story
5BobbyDavis 1 month ago
Remember that the Corvette is a lighter vehicle.
jrzy49 1 month ago
Vettes pretty much out launch everything in the stock classes. Huge engine setback compared to other cars and light weight. With a strong motor like the L88/L89 they are a hard car to catch.
However, the chevy guys were always afraid of the 440 6packs, and shit their pants when a Max wedge rolled in. They knew the hemis were soft out of the hole, but would catch you on the top end, so they always kept the race short and would take them. And this included the 427 nova, and 454 chevelles.
RacerRickxx 1 month ago
I'm 67 and had them all. My 69 hemi road runner blew off anything that was on the road. 4.10 GEARS AND NEW PLUGS EVERY OTHER DAY. My dad had a recap tire shop in NY and made a special soft compound cheater slick with 2 groves in the tire that was allowed on the road in NY at time 1960s TURNED MID 12S TO LOW 13 TEENS.
crusher1944 2 months ago
The manufacturer's official 1/4 mile time for the Hemi 'Cuda was given as 14.2 seconds at 102.5 mph. Strictly showroom stock it would be in the 14.0 second range.
DONDIVA1969 2 months ago
thanks to PSD for posting these really great videos
niagrasprings 2 months ago
HaHaHa...love that second gear Rubber BARK!
SHOWandGOresto 2 months ago
A stock Hemi 'Cuda with sticky tires was nowhere near the 11s "back in the day." The best they did off the showroom floor was mid-high 13s at 105-107 mph. On a sticky tire that would drop to the low-13s high-12s @ 107-108. That is with a *properly* tuned 426. They were never in the 11s on a sticky tire bone stock. The two cars featured in this vid are FAST class racers, with BIG cube engines, high compression (11.5:1+) and roller cams. The suspensions are also *very* loose to hook on bias plys.
nuclearsharkattack 2 months ago
@nuclearsharkattack I assure you that these cars are racing in the Factory Stock class, and meet the rules of the Pure Stock Drags. Both cars have competed at our event.
the cars are no more than .070 over and stock stroke, not BIG cubes......
PureStockDrags 2 months ago
@PureStockDrags That 'Cuda trapped almost 118 mph --- I seriously hope you're not going to try to pass that off as a stock Hemi. Especially with that FAST logo at the end of the vid. BTW -- is that Bob K.'s '70 Hemi 'Cuda? If it is, I don't ever recall it being that fast back in the early years of the PSD.
nuclearsharkattack 2 months ago
@nuclearsharkattack Yeas, it is Bob K's and yes it is Stock according to our rules.
There is a Factory Stock division at the FAST races that many Pure Stockers run in. The Cuda also ran at the PSMCDR this September. All cars on this channel are Stock, not F.A.S.T. but we thank them for giving us a great venue like US131 to run at.
PureStockDrags 2 months ago
@PureStockDrags Those are very impressive cars. I will say the owners deserve kudos for not having them sitting in a garage gathering dust, but instead out on the track running the wheels off.
nuclearsharkattack 2 months ago
@nuclearsharkattack Really? My grandfather had a 440 coronet back in the 70's and he got 11's out of it at 110+ mph with a pair of slicks, excuse me, *stock* with a pair of slicks. Of course he bought it with a short rear gear, but still, he ran 11's as it was off the lot + slicks
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 That's a high-13 second car at best on slicks off the showroom floor, regardless of rear gear. You can toss out any # you like, but the facts are the facts.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack I'm sorry but it wasted over two seconds spinning on stock rubber, those dinky-ass tires couldn't put the torque down for shit. You'd be amazed what a pair of hoosiers will do in terms of E/T, when you put slicks behind the 440's and hemis, alot of the time they'd see 11's, that's stock everything except for the tire/rim swap. You can toss out any # that these cars were supposed to run (and rear gearing makes a huge difference btw) but the car ran 11.9's stock + slicks
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 I was there back in the 70s and none of these cars were 11-second cars bone-stock. You talk like some 16 year old kid getting 2nd hand info from the internet. Rear gearing makes *some* difference, not a huge difference. A 4.88 gear won't take a 13-second Hemi with 4.10s from a 13.8 to an 11.9 -- all it will do is wind the engine up sooner. After the 1/8th mile the engine would start losing steam due to being wound out of the powerband. Your info is sorely lacking.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 Also, slicks might take into the bottom 13s, or *maybe* a high-12 on a day with very low DA, that is a FAR cry from "11s bone stock." If you had any experience racing on a 1/4 mile track you'd know that.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack There's plenty of stories where people took stock hemi and 440 cars into the 11's with JUST a pair of slicks, so lose the attitude, there are thousands of people who drove such cars and got similar E.T.'s, my old mans dad being one of them. With slicks, even the 383's could get 12's, for someone claiming to have been there, I really don't think you know how much of a difference traction made back then, and not only that, but you're kind of an asshole.
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 The problem here is you lack 1st hand information. You really do not know what you're talking about, and it shows. Quoting "stories" for others is just that -- storytelling. You sure must be gullible to believe everything you're told. Regardless of slicks, these cars NEVER ran in the 11s "off the showrrom floor." Even the biased magazines of the day never showed these cars running that quick in stock form on cheater slicks. Insults just show how little you know.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack Did I ever say they ran 11's "off the showroom floor"? No, I didn't, I said a hemi or 440 could get 11's with slicks (full slicks). Yes i've heard alot of stories but i've also watched my grandfathers old footage of his Coronets 11 second passes, hell my '73 Fury hardtop coupe (400) ran 12.8's (me driving) at around 107 mph give or take, with a torqueflite and street slicks, the engine had only been rebuilt once at the time of those passes, so with all due respect, fuck you.
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 And BTW --- a friend of mine bought a brand new Coronet R/T in 1968 with the 440 Magnum when he was in the Air Force in Texas. He still owns this car today, and has ran it many times over the years at the track. It is still stock and the best it ever ran regardless of traction was in the mid-high 13 range with av. gas in the tank. That is light-years from an "11 second" ET. Get some actual experience drag racing, then come back and have an intelligent discussion.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack Oh and BTW, you could order a stripped-down mopar that would run EASY 11's - high 10's back in the late 60's if you knew who to talk to, you had to sign a waiver though saying that the vehicle didn't comply with federal vehicle safety regulations, but as for full-weight off-the-lot street cars, I know for a fact that you could get 11's with a stock hemi/440 + hoosiers.
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 The car you are referring to is the 1968 Hemi Dart, which was not DOT legal and none of these cars are legal for the street. yes, those were lightweight RACE-ONLY cars, that did run in the 10s, and eventually much quicker in Super Stock. They dominate the record books to this day. That is NOT what we are talking about here. Even a 1969 A12 Super Bee or RR WITH slicks was NOT an 11-second car stock.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 Ronnie Sox -- in the Mopar ads in 1969 -- ran the quickest times ever back then on slicks with an A12 car, and he was SOLIDLY in the high-12s back then. Are you talking about stock cars, or modified cars, because you keep switching your stories around. Talk about one or the other. Modified cars could run as quick as your budget allowed. in any case this discussion is going around in circles -- so with all "due respect to you" -- kiss my ass.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack Jesus christ dude, my grandfather owned a 440 coronet with hardly any options to save weight, in fact the only option I remember him mentioning was a short rear gear, it was an automatic, and it ran 11.9's with slicks and NO other modifications, stock cam, stock heads, stock bore, stock stroke, stock everything, what's so hard to understand about that? Dumbass.
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 What's so hard to understand about that? Because it's BULLSHIT. That's why. Regardless of how few options, no options, dump truck rear gear etc. That car is NOT an 11-second car on slicks in stock form. Unless of course it fell off a cliff.
The only dumbass here is you.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack I've seen the vhs tapes myself, barely 11's but it did go 11's. If these cars ran 13's stock while spinning the tires for multiple seconds, what makes you think they didn't go 11's with race slicks? They're not wasting any time on launch with slicks, and trust me, that old beast launched hard as fuck. I know what I saw dude, so fuck off, think whatever you want, the motherfucker went 11's. End of story.
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
@SirKowalski666 13s WOULD have been *with* traction -- spinning would be in the 15s, as an example. Throwing on a set of slicks does not turn a 13 or 14 second stock car into an 11-second bullett. Your perceptions of how things actually work on the 1/4 mile track are wrong to say the least, but this "discussion" has run it's course. It's very clear you don't have a frigging clue what you're talking about. Go back to beating off in the can with a Sears catalogue. Loser.
nuclearsharkattack 1 month ago
@nuclearsharkattack His coronet ran 13.3 on stock rubber, wasting quite a bit of time, that was the first tape I saw of the car. The next weekend and ran 12.4 on the first try with slicks, they had far too much air in them so the car didn't hook to its potential. He let most of the air out n ran 12.0 on the third pass the car had ever made. He was out of gear through the traps though running over 6,500 rpm, I will admit. On those tapes was a stock '69 hemi dart w/ slicks running 11.7's btw...
SirKowalski666 1 month ago
Dayum 11.70??? How
Whitewidow3111 3 months ago
Well in reality the vet is way lighter
o8bit0hero 3 months ago
the difference is that the corvette has disk brakes, and an Independent rear suspension, and is light(er) so it can do more than just go in a straight line!
screamingspg 3 months ago
I just glanced at the last two comments (snickers) Hemi's are still in production after market wise PLUS hold all the current top drag records in their class + that Cor-crap weighs about the same as the Cuda...
26yearstoorion 3 months ago
A classic face off. There's really no loser here.
mrgears 3 months ago 9
them motors had more horse they only rated it that for insurance,the l88 and hemi were actually both rated at 550 the hemi still had more torque due to the head design the only reason the Corvette won is because its all fiberglass and the cuda is still heavy steel
JoeysFunFarm 3 months ago
@JoeysFunFarm Corvettes are not as light as you think, go to my channle and ask me how I know ;)
bigblockhitchcock 2 months ago
@bigblockhitchcock the vette weighs 3091 because of the 427 a standard is 2900 and the cuda weighs over 4000 and a standard is 3650 i know this cuz im at a auto tech for a mechanic and auto body and we just got done working a a 1970 corvette 454 that.weighed 3091 the vette was a light weight performance fiberglass car its the second lightest muscle car in the late and mid 60s the 1st lightest is the cobra at a weight of 2315 pounds with the 427,even the old aluminum clip front cars weighed more
JoeysFunFarm 2 months ago
@JoeysFunFarm the Vette in this video wieghed in at 3429 and the Cuda at 3750 at this years PSMCDR.
Thanks for all the interest in the event !!!
PureStockDrags 2 months ago
@JoeysFunFarm Not saying your wrong, but I would have gto say it to believe it. My 73 weighed 3300 empty with a small block. And it was a factory AC car with the AC system missing. Also the spare tire cover and that whole assembley was also missing. And thats not the weight on the title. Thats the car sitting on scales, with no driver.
bigblockhitchcock 2 months ago
@JoeysFunFarm With me in my car with the small block in it it was 3550. I will post a picture to you with it on the scales with with the big block in it if you would like. They are much heavier than your statement above.
bigblockhitchcock 2 months ago
@bigblockhitchcock read purestocksdrags comment on mine u might be right on the 73 cause thats a standard vette but purestockdrags even said the vette only weighed 3429 and the cuda weighed 3750 but the racing vettes with no ac or p steering weighed 3091 with aluminum under parts and the cuda can range from 3400 to 4000 depending on trans rear end and engine and if its got ac and power steering if the cuda has a 8 3/4 rear with a833 with hemi it weighs at 4000 with out ac.i think were both right
JoeysFunFarm 2 months ago
Pick a favorite car, pick a favorite driver, watch and enjoy. Stop being so literal about the results. Just like at the old street races, there were surprises.
Youtubinshare 3 months ago
Bigblock: fiction. The L-88 dyno'd at about 390 rear-wheel horsepower; 426 Hemi around 420 RWHP.
SOFSoldier1 3 months ago
@SOFSoldier1
the hemi is also an obsolete oversized POS, so much that they don't even produce hemi's anymore, they just use the name.
Vaicurious 3 months ago
@Vaicurious *ahem* The 426 hemi can be purchased today, aftermarket. There's a reason hemis are used for top fuel and are also the fastest super stockers. Funny thing, they were rated at 425 horse, but that rating was at around 4,500 rpm, the peak power was most likely around 6,000 rpm. Think about it: A stock late model gt500 is capable of a 12.0 E/T, that's with 550 hp supercharged. A 426 hemi with sticky tires, on the other hand, would go 11's back in the day, without forced induction or n2o.
SirKowalski666 3 months ago
@SOFSoldier1 Not fiction, take your car to the engine dyno, then take it to the chassis dyno. You'll see what I mean. My own 750 hp motor loses over 200 through the drive train. PArtly because of teh trans (TH 400) which is heavy, the 6000 stall converter, and the big slicks out back.
bigblockhitchcock 2 months ago
Dodge/Plymouth/Mopar has consistently "under-rated" the horsepower of their cars. Even today, Dodge has done the same thing with the 392 Hemi Challenger, factory rated at "470 HP"...the certificate of origin from Chrysler on my 2011 392 rates it at "491HP"
SOFSoldier1 5 months ago
hemi still cranked out more HP then then 427 stock...
jingq2 5 months ago
@jingq2 It depends on which 427, the Chevy L88 put out a little over 580, stock.
bigblockhitchcock 5 months ago
@bigblockhitchcock Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it did not put out 580hp. Thats a gross exaggeration.
TheMikeMeadows 4 months ago
@TheMikeMeadows You had better go back and look at some dyno sheets. Actual test data. Not factory advertised power. Because Chevy, Ford, and Dodge all grossly under rated their power numbers. And they all still do. It is a fact that the chevy L-88, 427 (with headers) will twist a dyno to 580 hp. Not an exageration. This is fact. Hell, the 396 cubic inch L-78 (i think) made near 450. The 426 hemi rated at what 425 -430 hp, was also aproaching the 600 mark.
bigblockhitchcock 4 months ago
@TheMikeMeadows Besides, horse power and dyno sheets are just for dick measuring. My own 750 hp 496 has been out run by less power, and has out ran more power. Many many other things are a factor at producing et. Even in bone stock muscle cars.
bigblockhitchcock 4 months ago
@TheMikeMeadows. Headers. Easily 580. Headers is 70+ horsepower. Corvette cast MAnifolds is around 490-520 depending on the dyno and day...
acemaster1001 1 month ago
@curtknows101 . This is not fake i can asure you. I race in this class. L/88 Vettes and 69 427 Camaros are king. This particular Hemi Cuda is the fastest mopar at the event. It does very well. But it does not dominate. Its usually in the top 5 or 6.
acemaster1001 5 months ago 3
@acemaster1001 What's the story with this cuda, anyway? Is it all stock, or rebuilt but with stock heads/cam/intake, or does it have an aftermarket carb/manifold or what? It's still faster than all of today's stock muscle cars, which is cool to see.
DeAdiSSu3 5 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 . I cant tell you exactly. Its stock carbs and manifolds for sure. His Cam passed tech. And the rules in this classs allow 1.5 points over stock rated compression ratio. So he should be somewhere around 12:1 . The driver is a great racer. And he knows how to tune his car.
acemaster1001 5 months ago
@TechMaven
Clean your garage out...I mean....well....DAMN!
hammerogod 5 months ago
Hemi in the mirror all the way.
The way nature intended.
hammerogod 5 months ago
proof is in the pudding.
uninoculated 5 months ago
Tem revanche aí hein!?
thiagoassisflex 5 months ago
UAL. perfect.
thiagoassisflex 5 months ago
I agree to that 100%!!
71powerwagon 5 months ago
Mopars have broke more records,Than Chevy could ever imagine!! So what the Cuda lost..Driver error dumbaas!!!
71powerwagon 5 months ago
@71powerwagon dodge guys can take when their mighty hemi gets beat....just take it and stop making excuses.
richjd630 5 months ago
@richjd630 Check out this guys other videos, there's a '69 hurst olds vs. a '69 charger 500, hemi wins. There's also a 440 vs. hurst olds (maybe same car) and the 440 wins. There's also a 440 1970 road runner beating a chevelle 454, and a challenger 340 manual barely losing to a 455 automatic...it seems like the majority of the time, mopar wins stock vs. stock. Even that 340 vs. 455, the 340 was faster through the traps. Mopar had better valvetrains, ignitions and suspensions back then anyway.
DeAdiSSu3 5 months ago
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TechMaven 5 months ago
These races mean very little. The cars are supposedly stock but there are a lot of small tweaks that can be and are made to get these cars running quicker...Many others are NOT running as well as they should/could. I don't take much stock in these vids as a direct comparison between brands.
TechMaven 5 months ago
@TechMaven I don't take these vids as a comparison between brands either, I said mopar had better valvetrains, suspensions and ignitions back then (the era in which these cars were built - 60's and early 70's). With heavier cars and less displacement, mopar still wins most of the time today though, it must be said.
DeAdiSSu3 5 months ago
@TechMaven
Thank you Professor Dragstrip for the schooling.
Do you honestly think anyone here didn't know that?
Now let us get back to watching some old cars go fast.
We don't need a science lesson.
We just need asphalt.
hammerogod 5 months ago
take 500lbs off the cuda then a rematch!
moparXdarren 6 months ago
@moparXdarren Dont be fooled into thinking that because these corvettes have fiberglass bodies they are light. Mine with a stock small block weighs in at 3480, without my 250 ass in it. A stock small block chevy is about 45 pounds lighter that a big block, and thats a bare block. Its possible that Corvette with a driver is 3700 pounds. if he is a 200+ guy. Not all that different than the Cuda.
bigblockhitchcock 6 months ago 2
@bigblockhitchcock
AMEN! My dad has a Corvette or two; and if you think yours is heavy, try the early '80s 'Vettes.. Our '81 is fucking 4,100lbs.
Sarcasticscum 2 months ago
Hemi's tend to be overated anyway... to heavy and bulky
ghm389 6 months ago
Off the showroom an L88 on street tires would run 14.0’s 106+, hampered by an auto transmission w/ tight converter, 3.36 axle ratio and restrictive exhaust. Showroom fresh a Hemi ‘Cuda would typically run 13.8-14.0 at 105. Hemi’s excelled in Super Stock as the rules allowed for modifications enabling engine do what it was designed to do. As a dual purpose engine were retaining streetability was a concern a Hemi could easily fall victim to Buick's 455 Stage 1, 440 Magnum, W-30 etc.
DONDIVA1969 7 months ago
@DONDIVA1969 yea your right, a hemi is good, but a 440, 454, 455 would own it, in my opinion i like the 383 wedge more then the hemi anyways. them 383 big blocks was some mean motors back in the day.
memphiskicksass 7 months ago
@memphiskicksass a 440 will "own" a 426 for around 200 feet. a 455 Pontiac vs the 426 would be a thing of beauty.
uyesu 6 months ago
cuda driver slept on the light... bring me a 4.55 pistol grip hemi.... i'll change the results.
moparholic2 8 months ago
The Vette squatted down and said Later to the hemi...
carsbyjeff 8 months ago
@acres90 Actually look at the beginning it says PURE STOCK muscle car.Considering the Corvette weighs 400lbs less its a good race.GM stopped competing in all racing in about 63 (GM order).At the time Mopar was already dominating drag racing with cars like the Max Wedges and the factory light weights were sold to the public not just the racers. RamCharger team, Don Garlits, Sox & Martin, so many more eventually spreading to NASCAR. Just because you are brand loyal doesnt change history or facts.
Boredout454 1 year ago
@Boredout454 Not on the street it didn't. And don't even tell me that it did. I was there on the street racing in the 60s and 70s. The street Hemi was so dtuned that it got beat all the time. The 440 would run over the top of it. The 427 chevy was the king on the street.
kennethrobinson11231 9 months ago
@kennethrobinson11231 Maybe in the area you were but not in the rest of the USA. Yes of course the 426 Hemi was detuned so was the 427 for street use over the racing versions. It also depended on what the car came with such as gearing etc. So we can go back and fourth at who beat each other on the street. Or we can see who beat each other at the strip and since there is documentation on that subject the 426 Hemi, 440 Sixpack, 396 Hemi, 413/426 Max Wedges win out.
Boredout454 9 months ago
@kennethrobinson11231 I don't know where you're from. You have a lot to learn. I ran against them in the 60s, And I can tell you fight now That a street hemi would not beat a 427/425 chevy. I have beat them with a 396, and I've got a pic. of me beating one with a Pontiac GTO They were 13:50 cars at best. With a small amount of work they would run damn good, but not off the show room floor. How old are anyway. Were you there, NO YOU Weren't This is the way it was, not the way you want it to be.
kennethrobinson11231 9 months ago
@kennethrobinson11231 Wrong! Back in the day the fastest pure stock muscle cars were a 1970 LS6 Chevelle and a 1970 Hemi Challenger. Either one could run 13.1 right off the show room floor if the driver knew what he was doing. (Actualy the 1969 ZL1 Corvettes were faster but there were only two of them everbuilt) The 427s were not slouches but the LS6 and the Hemi were the ones to beat.
Oh and yes, I was there too.
brettt777 9 months ago
@brettt777 An L72 427 would beat an LS6 454 stock vs stock.
TechMaven 5 months ago
@acres90 That would be plymouth, and doesnt look like a pwn to me, looks pretty close, considering.
Boredout454 1 year ago